[01:28:47] <skunkworks> http://emc.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Oword
should I somehow put my name on it? How does it look?
it looks great
regarding your name, I think you can do whatever you like
huh -- I thought the wiki showed images inline.
can subroutines return a value (or can you call by reference?)
I think you could call by reference
in fact when I wrote the ultra-painful version of the ellipse code (the one that used a loop-up table and linear interpolation instead of sin and cos) I think I used that
man it's just too bad I dont know offhand where that code is.
it's one of the great works lost to history I guess
skunkworks: if instead of [http://......jpg
explanation] you just write http://.....jpg
(no square brackets even) it seems to show the image in-line
and the ball looks pretty cool
I know - I didn't think people would want 2 pictures on the page - what do you think?
I also like the ball
looks like only a little bit of hand finishing wil be needed
Thanks - what do you think about the pictures inbedded in the page?
I think that was 1 degree resolution - could go finer
the images are pretty big... you would need to use thumbnails I think
i like the wiki... cudos..
I need a longer ball end mill - want to make a bigger one ;)
how long you need?? dia??
i might hae stock..
longer the better - 1/8 - 3/16 or 1/4 - 1/8 with a 1/2" of cutting flutes would be nice
i have to like the way subs and logic is dealt with... ; )
or more even
I have not played with subs yet but loops work pretty easy
emco.. standard 1/8" dia will get 7/16 loc
you using solid carbide??
rpm availability??? material to be cut??
mostly wood - router
are you roughing it down at all or 1 cut to depth??
right now - one cut to depth :)
the main thing is the corners of the ball are pretty deep
the ball... use a single lip d-bit. 15 to 1 depth to cut,,, but light passes req'd
depth to dia
it doesnt cut up its full length
i see a nested loop holding plunge factor to aval. loc... omit values over "z" and machine the ones under it
plan on doing a video of it cutting one side of this. for shits and giggles.
from the programmed origins.. rough the same program... BUT IF its in AIR acording to calulations .. omit the iteration
thats my line... ; )
great minds think alike
rapid to the first one BEFORE wood
i have a friend at work who will love the wiki...he's a dreamer to
my first wiki edit ;)
all this power - I don't know if I can use it all for good
be brave little soldier ; )
you'll get used to the smell of napalm in the morning
skunkworks: writing documentation is one of the thankless parts of OSS - thank you
no problem. it was fun.
maybe tomorrow I will make some thumb nails to link to the larger pictures.
your axis looks damn nice on those picture.
skunkworks: how do you intend to cut the sixth side on your cube?
i was going to make female jaws for a vice. that would hold the ball and cube for the last 2 cuts
so the inverse of the cube so it could be clamped.
does that make sense?
have not made that program yet ;)
the hard parts of this are definitely repositioning and clamping the last cuts
4 sides go easy - the 5th and 6th are a pain
cast plaster to hold it into place
i've made that cube with 1 prg on a lathe..
that would work too
chuck the cube 6 times?
cast the plaster in as many places.... oh the cube.. yes,,,
form tool .. selective tool path.... BONK the cube at the end and the ball fell loose
larger than the hole diameter..
I had goofed around making the sphere by concentric circles progresivly bigger and deeper. But I thought it neater to make the sphere this way as the hole in the cube is square in the end instead of round.
plus the machine just looks cool making it - bobbing up and down.
it was mainly to play with the full 3 axis machine as this is the first time we have had one. (had a 2.5 axis machine until now)
but the ball WILL fall out ....wont it??
z and x shared an axis
the ball is the same size as the box outside dimensions
that is the trick - a traped ball in cage
normally people carve these out with thier pocket knives - I don't have the patience for that ;)
x-z shared axes drives shows the real programmers from the rest... i've worked and taught on many
[02:47:40] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSCCurrent.JPG
<- 2.5 axis - hopefully and emc2 converion in the future.
and classic ladder
was paper tape developed machine you know...
made the tape emulator for it
time to slip into the 90's before 2010 rolls ya over guys
until about month ago the descrete componant controller was still working ;)
and you find yourselves 20 yrs behind
the thing was built in 68
i have FULL confidence on good DCC
i was born in 67... wre both vintage
not that older than me.
don't know that one
this is a hobby - some people have boats.
march 27 1967.... my mom had twins.... God/Earth knew only1 is enuf.... so he took 1 away...
and now theres ME
wow - where you guys pre-mature? did she know she was having twins?
7 months.. told my dad the baby had died... but a few hours later the afterbirth had a heartbeat...
that must have turned things around.
no one had a clue about the twin probability... my sis held that gene... but also the fragile "x" gene so she's decided against children
im just a wierd /facked/unusual human being... since birth
so when crap happens to me its the USUAL
i wear it well... brown you know
this is what made the cube - the emc2 test machine ;)
if i asked u for a pre machined... heat treated.. finish mashined... IVD coated... SMALLER part... how long... machining time totaltool touch time 60 minutes.
[03:06:39] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSCgantry.JPG
Non destructive testing time also.... im quoting 3 WEEKS...
the part is 2.25 od 0.030" thk 1.75 id
32 microinch all over
mat'l bs135 - 1% carbon steel
not done anything that complicated. no experience heat treating either.
not complicated.... its aviation
h/t is another issue...but takaes a week
as does the plating
crap - I have to get going. - I am usually around. love to see pictures of stuff you have worked on or machined.
i was askes this morning for finished oarts by the 27 of feb.... and HE didnt pass the crack pipe either
or your machines
I know how that is - I write database applications for my work. the owner of the company thinks I should be able to knock out a app in a few days
chk out wfl machinery.. mill-turn stuff f18 nose cylinder is on there now
easy he says
take a week off.. see if he still thinks its easy
he is coming around slowly
i am a mentor tomany.. and i dont even like it
some ppl are DUMB
to dumb for this biz
ok - talk to you later. (just hope the dumb ones get cought in the machines)
heres to not them getting urt
dmessier is this your landing gear? http://www.wfl.at/redsyspix/download/aero_044.pdf
damn it, another engineer forgot the snow in moscow
alex_joni: to update the doc I was writing, should I get latest halcmd man from CVS ?
can anyone tell me the url ?
Logging in to :pserver:email@example.com:2401/cvsroot/emc
cvs appears to be borked here as well
atfter entered enter
return to prompt $
how's this? http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/emc/documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx?view=markup
I already have "Hal_introduction" I need the latest halcmd man to update it
[11:03:59] <fenn> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/emc/emc2/docs/man/man1/halcmd.1?rev=1.12
fenn: could be ok :)
whats the path for unloadrt ?
thats a command of halcmd
so, old emc2#�/sbin/insmod�rtlib/freqgen.o�cfg='0�0'�period=50000
should be halcmd loadrt rtlib/freqgen.o�cfg='0�0'�period=50000
yah i think
giacus: yes, except cfg=0,0
how to separate cfg and period?
I mean cfg now is an array, not string
so cfg=0,0 period=50000
I've to change lots pf thing in the doc
and try it too
man this i shilarious
[11:34:49] <alex_joni> http://tux.crystalxp.net/
check them all out.. a few hundred
use 'page suivante'
the Elvis Prestux lol
I like this bootsplash http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29662
the box style on the left
and this http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29681
thats HAL :D
megaHAL would kick HAL's ass any day
[12:02:39] <giacus> http://digilander.libero.it/atavacron/images/19.html
first film on robots i've seen
I was 10 years old ..
what a terrible movie
do you remember it ? :P
lol statux libertux
it also was the first film I've seen in tv colours
before that was B/N
i just saw a movie today from 1973
"sex and fury"
it's totally insane
there were multiple naked samurai sword fights
alex_joni: look at spiderman http://www.bastardidentro.it/node/view/13096
[12:10:26] <giacus> http://www.bastardidentro.it/node/view/14982
she changed boyfriend
[12:42:26] <giacus> http://cgi.ebay.it/2-St-neue-Maxon-Motore-10W-Nennsp-36V-DC_W0QQitemZ7383969720QQcategoryZ12215QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[12:43:55] <giacus> http://cgi.ebay.it/Kl-CNC-Portalfraese-m-Servomotore-u-Encodern_W0QQitemZ7392476848QQcategoryZ23644QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
that looks nice, but germany only
serovs, not stepper
* giacus umpf
morning - how are you today?
good or bad? When I am busy the work day flies by.
am I just missing it? is there a link from the wiki.linuxcnc main page to the Oword page?
don't want to add it if you can get there some how.
I am now the wiki master buwwwa ha ha ha ha ha.
the name of the page should probably be changed to something a little more descriptive
o words - loops and subs. maybe something like that
o words - loops, conditional statements and subs
ok - added it now as owords - loops, conditionals and subs. if someone has an issue - they can change it.
wiki isn't bad at all. (first time editing a wiki)
as long as I can find examples of what I am trying to do - it is easy.
how many axis should have a plasma cutter , 2 or 3 ?
are 2 enough ?
skunkworks: have you programmed in other languages? if so, why are you interested in using O-words, rather than writing a program in another language to generate straight-line gcode?
(Real Early) Mornin Folks!
I have done it both ways.
don't really know why. Maybe I like short gcode files. :)
something to play with.
used to machines with only 128k of memory
you mean CNC machines that can only accept short files?
I've never used one of those
I guess maybe the maxnc software I used a few times had a DOS-imposed limitation
it isn't a big deal now
but the functionality to be able to do loop and such it nice to have. (how much others will use it I don't know)
I had used basic a long time ago to generate gcode files. did the mcdonalds arches as 2 parabalas(sp)
has anyone used design cad? Don't know if they are still in business.
that had a basic interperater in it. created a post proccessor that you could click around the tool path to generate gcode.
wanted to do something similar in autocad lisp but never got around to it.
cradek has some kind of g-code generator in autolisp
[13:58:21] <jepler_> http://timeguy.com/cradek/autocad
* Jymmm has a dumb math question... If I have a 4x6" photo (that has a 1.5 ratio multiplier) and I wanted to create a frame for it out of 5.5" height lumber and need to figure out the length needed. shouldn't I be able to just multiply the 5.5" by 1.5" to get a length that's evenly proportional?
4x6 needs a 5.5x8.25 frame, but that's 1.5" and 2.25", why aren't those numbers the same?
otherwise the border would be a different width horizontal vs vertical
where do you get 8.25 from?
yeah it should be 4 + 1.5 and 6 + 1.5
5.5 * 1.5
I'd have guessed as finn did
5.5 * 1.5 == 8.25
the frame usually has the same width on both sides
so 5.5 and 7.5
fenn: That's what I mean, but I'm not understandin why the ratio values are different from the +2" ones
jymm.. take a line, ok, infinite ratio
jepler_ is now known as jepler
now add a thick border around the line.. now you have some different ratio
It's just a coincidence that 5.5-4 and 6/4 are the same number
Do you guys see what I'm doing with the 1.5 though?
you are trying to do a ratio
ok, the ratio of a 4" by 6" photo is 1.5
1.5 is kinda close to the golden mean i guess
So, If I have a 1"x5.5" that's 20 ft long, I need to figure out what length I need to chop it up to
I take the wide onf the lumber 5.5" multiple it by the ratio (1.5) to get the length needed
I take the width of the lumber 5.5" multiple it by the ratio (1.5) to get the length needed
I think you want pieces that are 6+1.5 so that there's a .75" border on each side of your 4x6 photo
or maybe he doesn't
jepler In reality, yes. But I'm not understanding why using the ratio (1.5) instead of +2 isn't working
Jymmm: did you do the line experiment like i told you to?! :)
fenn in my head, and it didn't make sense
If you have a panoramic photo, 48" by 6", do you want the border on the left and right to be 8x as wide as the border on the top and bottom?
ok, so I'm using ratio when I shouldn't be. then what should I be using
equal lengths on each side
$framewidth = ($photowidth>$photoheight) ? ($frameheight-$photoheight) + $photowidth : [blah blah blah];
what's up sam?
lunch - eating oat meal
I lead an exciting life
did you see my first wiki edit?
yup, looks great
giacus is now known as giacus_dinner
hi alex and skunk
ah my resonator tuning still if off
I am going to try a corrugated truncated aluminum cone
giacus_dinner is now known as giacus
moin wiki succesful installed on my pc :P
[19:28:24] <giacus> http://taddeus.homelinux.org/robowiki
have a nice edit GUI
yeah, really nice wiki engine
I have to change the Linux router box, too much old
does not support dyndns update
with a small HD I could install Debian and iptables
actually its a floppy with a 2.X kernel O_O
but all in memory
yeah, coyote linux old vers.
very old* :(
think it use ipchains
2.2 is nice
yes, is nice as stability
not as features
les_w: You have tips/suggestions on assembling picture frames?
hey Jymmm :)
is les_w around ?
I was looking at this http://cgi.ebay.it/scheda-per-controllo-motori-passo-passo-per-CNC_W0QQitemZ7593357058QQcategoryZ36332QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
looks like a complete stepper control board
maybe standalone system
but he wrote with NO software
it seems there lots of microcontrollers up
here I am...in between cooking resonators again
I have to phone to Torin
at Danaher Italia
I watched some last night
maybe they have the motors ..
oh that torin
yeah they might have them
[19:56:13] <giacus> http://www.danahermotion.it/prodotti.html
yes, I will ask
I'm here hydroforming little things out of 0.1 mm aluminum foil
I have one problem...to take pictures, I need a macro lens
more than my camera has
I need about 3x magnification
was it alex that does the photography?
I'm pretty sure he has the cameras to do it....
les_w: what do you mean 3x magnification?
well, I'll need some closeup pictures of a transducer assembly that is about 7 mm diameter and 2 mm thick
the macro mode on my camera won't go that far
just would like that 7mm to fill about half the picture
without much cropping
well, I know of macro lenses that do 1:1
so 7mm on the sensor (which is about 20mm wide)
a bit under half the picture
but then again on a nice 8MP+ camera you can print it about 1m big
checking the link jeff
that's nice jeff
I haven't tried this for myself
my fuji camera does not have a removable lens
still might be able to do something
oh well...glue is dry...yet another impedance run
les_w: You have tips/suggestions on assembling picture frames?
Jymmm: are you going to machine 4 pieces for the frame ?
only one should be simple, if your machinecan cover the area
for what I think ..
machine the first side, and after the oder side
the rectangle on the rear a bit bigger
giacus it's more assembly than anything else
corrugated nails are typical
butterfly inserts too
butterfly is very good
forces them together
Well, when I look at the frames in my home, I dont see any of those methods... I do see in some a 'slat' and in tohers looks just like glue alone (can't really tell).
I've been searchign the web for soem good writeups, but not a whole lot out there.
they butt up the two edges, then have a 1/8" grove in the center, then they inserted a 1/8" slat in the groove
oh loose tenons
like a 1x1x.125 slat
want high quality work?
I'd love it
Larger frames are problematic. If the wood shrinks the inner part of the miter always pulls apart.
even with glue
I like the butterfly.
routing the wood to recieve the buterfly was a pain
but with a cnc router it's no problem
I've never seen butterflies for sale
Someone ought to make a special plastic one for frames...they are usually wood
it would keep the miter always pulled together
delrin or something
goes the glue gonna stick to plastic securely?
a little plastic butterfly insert that is driven into a slightly smaller cutout
with the right glue it would
have I just invented something?
let me check
* Jymmm waits
heh seems all wood... some mention a ways down the page here
[22:13:44] <les_w> http://www.americanfurnituredsgn.com/Tool%20Page0403.htm
buts that's just a template
I'm thinking of a plastic gluable key tapered in two axes that would fit in the pocket
I think the wood one is called a dutchman or something
used long ago to repair cracks in ship hulls
I only have 3 axises
well the pocket would be 2d
unless I got a profiled tool or something
but the insert would be molded and two axis taper
like inlay pocket?
hmmm "v nails"
[22:24:40] <les_w> http://www.framing4yourself.com/equipment-supplies/frame-making-joining.htm#949
oh I thought you said corrugated nail again <---- POS!
Look at the vnails...I think most shops use them. I am not so fond of that concept either
it looks like most of those frames are made from composite material too
and...since Illinois tool works makes everything....
[22:27:26] <les_w> http://www.framingsupplies.com/itwamp/ItwAmp.htm
I have never worked with that division
$1400 for an entry level machine?! You get a 99% dosc I hope
they seem to be vnailers
Hey I was bitching about a $89 tab gun... Finally found it (from all places) at HF
I guess if a vnail was made right it could pull a joint together
The EXACT same as everyone else, but for $15
I don't know
Uncle has a frame shop...
who knew picture frames were so complicated.
bill2or3 photo $80, cost of framing that photo $120
and it's just strips of wood mitered and mat board is CHEAP
les_w I got a present for you...
les_w I http://www.internetlumber.com/Home/
les_w Happy Birthday!!!
looking...you know ITW AMP is in Vermin hills illinois right where I'll be. I'll visit them!
I did meet them at IWF
but never visited the plant
back, les_w you like your present?
oh a truck load is hobbiest?
about double what I pay
but good selection
les, take this personally.... asshole! LOL
I get raped just puling into the parking lot!
well I was checking on stocking exotic lumber here for hobbyists.
Might do it
We'll see how many show up at my class.
It's quite a drive to get exotic wood here
well shit... see if I give you anything from now on! =)
and...I would charge about the same as internetlumber
Dont make me come to GA and hurt you!
I KNOW where you live !
I'll bring me some 60yo toothless females and tell them all that your looking to marry!
that must be a rough business...bet inventory has to sit forever
and the good stuff gets culled out...what do you do with the rest?
The v-nails I might try, cheap enough to experment with
Well their 20bf hobbypacks seem okey.
There seem to be plenty of under $100 vnailers out there
I guess they have to be pushed in rather than driven
I'll get educated about them at ITWamp if I have time to visit
specicically on hardwoods
I'm going to order one (maybe two) of these, every place else selss them from $40 to $100 --> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91251
20 bd feet cherry fas...$130...yeah seems about right for retail
I pay $3 /bd ft over 100...
How are you getting pricing so good?
Is it just becasue you order so much?
Swuanee lumber in duluth georgia
what is walk pricing?
I mean shit, it almost be cheaper to buy it from you and have it shipped to me.
They keep a little lumber up front for walkins
$4 or 4.50 for cherry I think
internetlumber is selling ipe 1x6 for $1.30bf, I'm paying $3.40bf
80 or 90 for 20 board feet
I found their wholesale page
let me look
Douglas Fir 1x8, 2.5LFT @ 4.10 = $10.25 is what I just paid.
Mangarid KD 5/4 x 6, 8LFT @ 2.49 = $19.92
I don't understand the wholesale bundle page
like soft maple 1315/bundle
[22:59:12] <les_w> http://www.internetlumber.com/Product/CategoryInfo.aspx?cid=101
if that's per thousand it's a pretty good price
I dont see mention of 1315/nundle on that page
where do you see '1315' ?
and walnut...$1875.....no way that's 1000 bf of firsts and seconds
second row third column
I'll try to give em a call tommorow...they are close by. Now way their bubinga is what...$3.92/bf????
they have a TL number. call em now damnit! lol
it's 6:06 out here
ok, so what are you questioning... the quality?
ash for $0.81 / bdft?
surfacing costs basically nothing
not even s2s
suwanee doesn't even charge
yeah, and they even offer it for like an additional $0.30 bf
You ought to see those giant 2 side olivers...planes an 8'board in about 2 seconds
I buy mine "hit or miss"
$818/500BF = 1.636BF
just knock the tops off
per 500 makes more sense
but I don't see that
my father has a oliver jointer - we call it the air craft carrier - must be 17 inches. came out of a hight school shop class.
ach I didn't order the supllies for the finishing class
must do that tommorow
3 phase 440 motor. runs just fine on 220.
just lower torque I guess
don't notice it. but I am sure
I pushed a lot of wood through that thing.
les_w I dont know if you saw it when I mentioned I REALLY am interested in videos of your classes.
I wanted to do some production runs on something wood besides the calls, but I am pretty tied up with an invention.
Have some daunting technical issues to solve.
Also, politics. My best patent goes public domain this august.
les_w I dont know if you saw it when I mentioned I REALLY am interested in videos of your classes.
I'll see about taping it
les_w ok, cool =)
Some strange things are gonna happen in my life when that patent goes PD
you gonna learn to sing "I'M IN THE MONEY!!! I'M IN THE MONEY!!! "
bill, I am the inventor of the heated car side mirror, or at least the one used on most cars.
Half a billion in sales so far.
It was for a large corporation.
what cause a patent to 'go public' ?
and what does that actually mean?
what's the term on it?
pre 90 17 years
after 90 20 years
and when it expires, it is no longer a patented idea/object/whatever ?
I thought I had three more years but someone reminded me it was 17 in 89
It means anyone can make it.
it is no longer protected (les will not get any royalties) and any one can use it free and clear.
Very impressive les
I was confused about why you'd be singing "I'm in the money..."
what made your idea different?
so you're getting royalties now, but wont be after it expires?
Only I and the people I trained know how to manufacture the thing
No, bill...Large corporations do not give royalties
I got a nice salary as a r&d manager
And they are giving me $20k/mo research money to invent othe rthings
but I would rather have had 5% ownership of that patent!
I did try.
Oh, bill, I also got a fellowship. That's a job for life, but you can do what you want.
but no royalties
so the expiration doesn't really affect you at all.
well yes it will
the japanese will be on me in a heatbeat
to teach them how to manufacture them?
the patent doesn't contain enough details for them to figure it out?
* bill2or3 suddenly realizes how little he knows about the patent system
1. collect underware 2. ? 3. profit!
They tried but failed technically...then we sued them.
Germans did too.
$20k/mo is a lot of research.
sound like mirrors have treated you well.
keeps the shop going nicely
and a couple employees
research shop, not production, right?
* bill2or3 thinks of stuff he needs invented.
My inventions usually sell, but none have like that heater.
anything else I might have heard of?
Oh I have the latest patent on the plastic thing around 6 packs
that must be $$$
there was a big flap about the plastic 6 pack holders strangling animals...rmember?
whats a duck choker???
oh yeas ok them... how'd you fix??
It made a lot. Actually it seems to be going away. Cans are in PE reinforced cardboard boxes these days
ours are being shrink wraped with logos
put some cut in places....reformulated to break down quick in UV
MUST it be plastic???
he's bioengineering smarter ducks.
yeah. oil basically. The boxes are trees though.
what about a dough type mat'l.... like pizza doough gone stretchy
les_w: All 3D renderings... http://www.maxwellrender.com/gallery.htm
oops don't have flash
dmessier, these days I am working all the time on energy conversion.
I have a "thing" that cost a few bucks at most, has no moving parts....
converting MY energy to $$$$
and makes electricity from compressed air.
i like the sosunds of that
So does the large corporation
which is why I am getting the kind of funding I am
i may be able to help with the compressed air bit and make some power too
I am under a lot of pressure though.
IS it over U??
pressure to do what??
pressure as in getting this out of the lab and into products
are you scaling/mocking it up for someone else?????
I invented it. It is for a large corporation.
wheres the pressure .. YOU need a MANUFACTURING manager... is all
However, If it is successful, They want me to manufacture it.
And yes, I will hire a plant manager first thing.
I only want to be the guru.
(and own the plant)
make me an offer i cant refuse...
* Jymmm holds up a sign... "Will Plant Manage for _____________"
i have the rest of the plan in my pocket...
haha first it has to get out of the lab
it is looking VERY VERY promising
mine too.. but im hoping for a single home install this summer..
when that happens... IM GOLDEN
I do research, but I love manufacturing
i do man but love doing r&d
prototyp maker in me..
I like seeing those widgets drop down the chute
im gonna "RAPE" gravity
clink...a buck for me...clink...a buck for me.......haha
for as long as she'll let me
don't be pumping water up the hill now for turbines....
it will move the water..but no turbines... CLOSED system
an elevated reservoir is way more efficient than any battery or fuel cell could ever be
id like to be able to divulge more.. but you know...
don't say too much...i'll figure it out haha
I have to dig a pond reservoir soon.
a little one.
lets say... ive been a gravity JUNKIE all my life... ive skied,, canoed w/w kayaks... jumped out of good airplanes.. hang & para gliders... gravity IS the only thing thats free abUSE it.. theres lots
les, make a generator that uses a solar powered stirling, to generate compressed air, to blow thru a hilsch vortex, on to a peltier jucntion, which outputs power.
what could be simpler!
I'll tell you I start thinking about stuff when I pay these gas bills
$630 for january
try to work in some electricty->hydrogen->fuel cell->electricty in there somewhere too, ok?
once my system is started it will only stop when it runs out of gravity
that's like a fun little gravity fact:
* bill2or3 runs home.
i WILL be OFF grid sooner than later
I loaded up on wood....but it's all green
dmessier not unless you planning on running a cnc off of water power =)
smokey... and slow
ill run it ALL of this system
gas +electric was nearly $1000 in january
granted the shop uses some
you need this more than me brother...
talk about rape...
its free and shes a willing participant... lOL
well I have 20 tons or so of (wet) red oak....
poop fart stinker