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is 24v enough?
* Jymmm is
ah yes still early there
got a call about my wood finishing classes
it's on I guess
about 30 people
I guess I can spring for supplies and stuff
first lesson is filling grain
then the french polish
les_w take video, then send me the dvd =)
the complete collection of dvd's that is =)
I'll let them practice on walnut cnc sign blanks
when they are done...I'l just run em through the belt sander
video is not a bad idea really
may have some photos for the local paper
les_w speaking of which... need to bring it inside - brb
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bye and hi everyone.
hmmm just got a skype message.
wants to design a push button joystick for cell phones.
My old cellphone has that
like the thing in laptops?
sorta, but if you want that I have a mfg that oem's those
no, it's a 4-way + center joystick
It works well, even with big fingers, but you have to get used to it.
FLASHBACK --> http://search.ebay.com/8260707622
Mint In Box? Lies.
that's like 30 years old.
Gah. my internet is slow as fuck.
Yeah, my first video game =)
I wanted to see if it had any value... not a chance in hell $36
les_w: btw... I was serious about the video dvds.
jmk_sleep is now known as jmkasunich
any linux networking experts hanging around?
alpha1125 is now known as A-L-P-H-A
strange, just earlier today cradek was saying he wished he had a real pong machine.
ask and it will show up on ebay
man .. the colors for rapids & feeds sure make axis look garish
but it's sure neat that each part of a canned cycle is colored right!
jepler: I have a linux networking question....
cradek: you alive in the east?
jmkasunich: I'll answer it if I can.
suppose you have two NICs in one box, connected by a wire
is there any way to send stuff from one the other to test
you'd need a special crossover wire
ping just goes directly to the target port
You need a "crossover cable" which is wired differently from a normal ethernet cable
forget physical, assume a switch or hub
RX and TX are transposed
if you have that cable .. hmm .. I don't know offhand
I'm talking about the linux size
try this ping 127.0.0.1
save yourself the trouble :)
ping <ip of eth0> goes directly to eth0, likewise ping <ip of eth1>
each network card gets its own ip address....
right, that is done
I got 2 NICs in this machine but they go different places
ping has a -I argument, but on my system it doesn't seem to make a difference
right, I've done that too, for routing
if I 'ping -I eth1 my-ip' vs 'ping -I lo my-ip'
I get the same, very low, times
yeah, its just going to the "inside" of the eth card
are they on 2 separate networks? what are the ip's and netmasks?
not out over the wire
192.168.4.4/255.255.255.0 and 192.168.5.5/255.255.255.0
basically I'm trying to test network driver functionality without having two PCs (and two copies of the driver under developement to keep in sync)
jmkasunich nic to nic requires a xover cable (no hub)
I can make the IPs whatever I want
Jymm: ignore the physical layer, I already have that working
my problem is Linux networking (routing)
jmkasunich: Why do both have to be the same driver? Is there something special (it's not really ethernet?)
jmkasunich you want both subnet to pass traffic to each other?
just edit /etc/hosts
jepler: you caught me, its actually wireless (wavelan)
the driver has problems
hmm you using the wrapper?
jmkasunich: Don't configure card 2 with an IP address. Just run tcpdump or a similar tool on it to see if the ARP requests for local IP appear on it.
lots of those wireless networking cards someone wrote a wrapper so you can use the Windows drivers with them in Linux
I think pfred1 means "ndiswrapper"
ndiswrapper or something?
there is a linux driver for these
and has been for darn near 10 years
jmkasunich: see what I'm saying with my suggestion?
well does it work?
but the hw is uncommon these days and the driver has some bitrot
jepler I think so
jmkasunich: I dunno if it'll work but it's the best idea I've had so far.
the other alternative is to get my second laptop set up with ubuntu and put the fixed driver on both
is wavelan one of the pre-802.11b cards?
ultimately thats what I want to do - point to point link
something nice about them (distance? antenna?) or you just don't want to spring for some newer cards?
me i just drilled a hole in the wall and tolled cat-5 through it
spackle is cheap
the price was right ($0 for 6 units)
yeah even spackle ain't that cheap!
pfred1: I prefer wires too, but this is for a mobile robot thingy
high latency though
$0 is a good price
at this point its almost become a battle between me and these cards
I really should just get ubuntu on the second machine and stick one card in each
jmkasunich you're trying to use them as a AP ?
or strictly as a bridged?
I want to ssh from one machine to the other, thats all
Well, a bridge doens't get ip's, it' sjust a passthru
bridge is the wrong word then
I will eventually make one card 192.168.4.4, and the other 4.5, and that should be that
yeah a /32
do you care about the numbering?
just not 192.168.1.x or 3.x, I already have nets with those IPs
ok, just for human sake... make the link like 10.0.0.x
1.x is the NAT household network, 3.x is the subnet for the compile farm
the IP numbers are really irrelevant
do you have diag tool for the wifi to see if they're talkiing to each other?
no, but I've been hacking in the driver - I know packets are going from one to the other, I've seen em with my very own eyes
but that could be bcast too
problem is the card's RX_RCV_OK bit isn't getting set, so the driver discards the packets
(but I've verified that the entire packet arrives correctly)
make/model wifi cards?
Lucent WaveLan PCMCIA
Linux driver was written in the mid 90's
[03:10:12] <Jymmm> http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wavelan.html
been there, read it twice
been working on this since yesterday evening
like I said, the driver hacking part is no problem, it coming up with a test case that actually puts packets in the air that is giving me greif
if I ping 192.168.4.<nonexistant> I see eth0 sending the ARP packet, and eth1 receiving it
but since it isn't addressed to eth1, linux drops it
if I ping 192.168.4.<eth1>, it doesn't go out thru eth0, it goes direct to the "inside" of eth1
what I need is a way to send packets out eth0 and have them be received, not dropped, by eth1
you ping 192.168.4.<nonexistant> from what though?
eth0 = 192.168.4.4
eth1 = 192.168.5.5
If both cards are in the same computer, it's gonna OSPF
Open Shortest PAth First
right, thats what I already said
and I'm looking for a way around that
I thought maybe it would be a common trick for testing stuff
pretend one computer is two and let it talk to itself on two differnet IPs
spent a couple hours googling this afternoon, but obviously I haven't hit on the right words to search for
change the metric
I coudln't remember that if my life dependant on it.... had to ask =)
The metric value is traditionally used by some operating systems to compute the cost of a route. Linux doesn't use this value yet, but defines it for compatibility, nevertheless.
(I got that from a web page....)
I'm asking your question to someone
* jmkasunich googles more about metric
metric works, just not for that I was just told
cause it sees the IP of the card as local, so it never boths putting it out on the wire
better to use two boxes for this jmkasunich
looks that way
heh, I just thought of one thing that would work (if this was a more capable box)
Yeah, there's no need for it to send traffic out the wire, as it sees that ip as local.
far easier to use two boxes
right - I definitely don't want to go there (VM)
now if I can only find the cdrom drive for the other laptop to install ubuntu
I hate laptops
I have a paraport ethernet card =)
it has floppy
can't you boot from it and do a network install?
I dunno if ubuntu has boot floppies
the laptop already has RH7 on it, so if booting a generic linux would allow a net install I'm half way there
I also have an ordinary, wired PCMCIA ethernet card so it should be net-able
but how do you install ubuntu over RH from the net? doesn't sound like something to do for fun
* jmkasunich digs thru piles of crap looking for the cd drive
jmkasunich You're lucky day.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
that will let it boot and continue the install from a cdrom drive
but you still need the cdrom drive
But there might be a way to install from the network instead of cdrom
Debian allows that.
* jmkasunich keeps looking (on the web for net install, and in the crap piles for the cdrom)
you could ask in #ubuntu I guess
I think SBM is a trick to allow CDROM booting, you still have to have a CDROM but you get around a BIOS boot media limitation
right - thats how I read it
and that isn't my problem
I know the machine can boot from CD, thats how I installed RH on it a couple years ago
you know anything about network install of ubuntu?
over top of RH 7 in this case
no, I've only used the CD
figured, thats what 99.9% of folks do
I would to if I could find the damned CD drive
can you get to the hard drive without too much disassembly? You could throw it in the other laptop
some are easy, some impossible
getting to the drive is easy (I actually have two, one with doze on it, one with linux)
but the laptop in question is a old NEC, the other one is a not-quite-so-old HP
not sure if the connectors will match up.
sometimes the drives are standard, but inside some kind of carrier that gives a nonstandard connector.
just a thought. probably a pain.
won't hardware detection during the install will be all wrong when I move it back, right?
the NEC drive is in a carrier, thats why its so easy to switch
just X, and you can make it reconfigure
I don't even care about X
then it would probably be fine
I think I found another little issue.
the whole purpose of this exercise is to have a mobile brain, I would interact with it thru ssh
jmkasunich: I've only installed freebsd over the network, and I know that works great
skunkworks: what issue?
cradek - when you get a chance could you shut ubuntu down with emc2 running?
skunkworks: alex said that hangs for him, but I tried it and didn't have a problem
I would think shutting down while RT threads are still running is a crapshoot
yeah, even if it does hang, it seems like something we can fix by not doing that
"realtime" is in etc/init.d
we probably don't want it to run on startup, but can it be arranged to run on shutdown?
got mini running with big fonts...
I saw that
instead of changing all the inis, can you fix mini?
great... its actually line #1136 not 1140... I reinstalled to test it
(tkemc also had bugs that caused you to not be able to set the font at all)
mini will work with the internal defaults, its just a bit nicer with the font you suggested
for some reason the call to set font was missing
the routine was there... just never called
LawrenceG: I understand it works, but it would be nice if it didn't look "weird" to people used to using it
yeah, wrong - different - funny
let me look at defaults again.... I just tried changing the ini to make sure that option was working
how do I get the config picker to find configs in my home dir?
use the right path ~/emc2/configs/xxxx
defaults look fine
installed or rip?
I'm pretty sure it works then
what's the full path to your ini?
ok... i created dir call /home/lg/emc2/configs
so under that you should have /home/lg/emc2/configs/configname/something.ini
I made files shoptask_core_stepper.hal, shoptask_pinout.hal, stepper-inch-shoptask.ini
inside /home/lg/emc2/configs/shoptask/ ?
ok... maybe missing 1 level of dir with config name
you can have several configs in ~/emc2/configs/
cool that seemed to work
in the next package, "man emc" will describe how configs work
oops... not quite..... some edit missed on opening ../common/emc.nml
yeah unfortunately you have to dink with the files to remove the ../common stuff
I had to use my own version of stepper_common because I have quad phase drive here not step/dir
needed stepping type changed
ok... everything seems to be running now... was missing stepper.tbl and stepper.var in my shoptask dir
cradek: are you going to add the setfontx call to mini.tcl?
I think cradek left
I must have scared him away!
I am quite amazed at how far emc2 has come.... super easy install and config and it still runs on a P200
apt-get makes one quickly forget all that goes on behind the scenes
* LawrenceG ... going down for kernel update
* giacus yawns
07:50 here ..
1:50 am here, wish I was sleeping
jmkasunich: what's this about a mobile robot?
just messin around
we are building a remote controlled vehicle for an engineering week competition
not computer controlled
but I am going to reuse the chassis and drive train and hook a computer to it
(already tested, put together with duct tape and baling wire)
sounds like a champ
crawling around on the floor typing on a laptop that is mounted 2" from the floor, and in a way that you can't open the screen all the way, really sucks
so I want to do wireless and ssh into the laptop
via cpu ?
which cpu ?
vanilla Dell laptop, circa 2001 or so
not sure exactly
should be not so small mainboard I suppose..
Ive seen something using via c3 cpu
the vehicle we built for engineering week needed to carry a bowling ball, so a laptop is light by comparison
they're small enough
* alex_joni yawns
* jmkasunich burns a ubuntu cd (again)
* giacus give to alex_joni a strong express coffe
1 page yet to complete 'Introduzione to HAL' :P
alex_joni: I suppose the diagrams I've are unchanged
jmkasunich: tryng to translate it in italian
thats a lot of translating
2 days fighting with it :)
its an essential doc
I have to update it to the latest changes
I need to update it, some parts are getting old
rayh gave me it some month ago
I think its the latest
but not so updated, of course..
its been months since it was last revised
I'd like to publish it in Roboitalia community new wiki
but it should be as GFDL, i hope isnt an issue..
just make a link to the linuxcnc site, so people can get a newer one when it comes out
sure, I know
I will write an introduction to EMC and linuxcnc.org team too
many peoples don't know it exist there around
and they do not use Linux
I also need to introduce a live distro for that
puppy should be nice
The good thing is, they are already familiar with robotics in general
latest photos are the mine :)
they only missed to choose .com for the portal
started in 2002
gallery is work in progress..
we actually have 3,391 registered users
and I got an admin role there.. let's see what happen
going to propose the idea and ask to start a new forum for Linux/Emc
jmkasunich: go to bed ;)
I'm in the middle of an install
ok, then you can stay up :P
how's it going?
(but soon I will)
worked fine for the base install
then I went to install xubuntu, which is something like 20M from the net and 200M from the CD
the CD got 98% done and got errors
retried, then burnt a new one, then burnt another new one using different options
nothing worked, finally said fsck it and commented out cdrom in sources.list, let it get it all from the net
getting it all from the net: 30 mins
fscking around with cdroms: 90 mins
* giacus hate cdrom
well.. sorry I'm laughing.. that's frustrating I bet
yeah, especially at 3:34 on a workday
I usually install debian with netinstall
from an usb pen
base system 100M, then everything from the net
works faster than CDROM over here ;)
can you boot from the usb?
well, not at home
I never tried..
jmkasunich: i can, on my laptop
so how do you get the base install?
just choosing 'others' in boot bios options
but that's debian, not ubuntu I was talking about
my ubuntu install was CD
oh, I got mixed up, it was giacus that uses the pen
I use pens all the time..
even pencils too
I'm too tired to laugh
jmkasunich: chear up, it's only 3am ;)
Debian installer should support also floppy disc
remember tomorrow (today) morning it will be lots worse.. :/
don't remind me
this is the third night in a row I've been up to 2am or later
I got a CD's stock too, where burning them , they work ok for the first track but not for the latest
thats a common issueon cdrom :/
they read well at begin but not near the end..
dunno on what it depend
the late nights?
jmk you're my hero..
why, because I'm stupid?
mild mannered electrical engineer by day, dastardly electrical engineer by night
* fenn <- dastardly geek by night, sleeps during day
like the horses :)
fenn: I like that approach too..
jmkasunich: yes the late nights, they are fine for a while, but they'll bite you eventually :/
I KNOW ;)
a few weeks ago I ended up going to bed at 5-6-7am
it's all paying back since
just gotta go for it man, 24 hour switcheroo
any other way lies failure
i guess you could go polyphasic for a couple days..
yeah I know.. that's the only direction to cure it
but I lost a few days (nights?) like that in the last few years..
i think you actually gain a day, same diff
gain a day, lose a night ;)
home is where i lay me down to sleep, morning is when i wake up
this is fscking rediculous... all I'm doing is waiting for the install
jmkasunich: go to bed, it'll eventually finish ;)
it will be done in the morning
yup, probably sanest
jmkasunich is now known as jmk_sleep
wish you a fast rest
Hello; Where do I change the time to let the spindle come up to full speed in emc2?
you can add a G4 (dwell) after the spindle speed command, but that's kinda ugly
I need zero time, I'm trying to set up a cnc plasma cutter
chinamill: can you use another M-code?
there is an motion synched output
actually a few of them
M62/M63 digital outputs synchronous to motion
chinamill: use M62 P01
and on the beginning of the next move it will get turned on
it will stay on, until you provide an M63 P01
P01 means the first motion-synched output
and you can (using HAL) link the motion-synched output to a parport pin, or wherever you like
I will have a look at it, but in emc1 there was a variabel to set the tme period to get the spindle up to speed, is it gone in emc2?
spindles stuff goes through the IO controller, and it's not RT
so it will be slower
there is not tme period, it should come up imediately
It will probably be fast enough, (looking for a simple solution)
but for plasma I really recommend M62/M63
ok, I 'll have a look at it
chinamill: just complain if it doesn't work as it should ;)
thanks for the tip!
I'm to blame if it doesn't .. :P
alex_joni: is there any reason not to make all the i/o realtime?
like, what do we have user io for?
actually on both (iocontrol & M62, M63)
fenn: there is
but it's mostly coding-dependent
right now all the IO goes through NML to the IO controller, which has some internal state machine
that would need to be ripped out, and another RT module would need to replicate the functionality
LOTS of work
guess that is the only reason, so it might happen in the future, but not right now
probably task needs to be modified too, so pretty extensive changes
the current way things are handled is not the best way, but it's kinda inherited from emc1
does anyone know how the bolts for bolting something in concrete are called?
you drill a hole, then put those bolts in, and when you fasten the screw they expand and get stuck
expanding anchor is what you're talking about i think
there's another kind called a "molly bolt"
i use tapcon for most things
Hmmm, I get instant following errors with emc2 (metric) and MAX_ACCELERATION way below STEPGEN_MAXACCEL ; anyone have a clue?
chinamill: what version?
look at emc2/VERSION
I suggest you get the latest TESTING from CVS (http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Testing)
it is the emc2_TESTING-2006-02-19_i386.deb
chinamill: instant means when you turn on?
No, when starting g-code, but I think I have found my faulty settings (shit behind the stick)
It is working better for me now, I rearrange the MAX_ACCELERATION etc (I had some abnormal values)
was going to suggest to try stepper_mm (the supplied config), and see if that works
I'm using that one (slighty modified), and it works better now
It looks great, I'm realy impressed with all the work in emc.
make that emc2 ;)
:) It is when INPUT_SCALE is (somewhat abnormaly) high, in my case 1600, the ferrors apere. But with some fideling of the other values I got it working quite OK.
yes, well they are dependent
I am running 2000, so 1600 is ok ;)
only 7 am and i'm falling asleep.. what's wrong with me?
fenn: dunno :/
stupid joomla sends your password right back to you in plaintext for no reason
just to you...
anyone could just sniff sniff sniff my password as it got to the mail server tho.. it's bad form
or from the site hosting joomla, whichever is a more tempting target
I already have it .. so it's not tempting ;)
I was kidding ;)
you should use throwaway passwords for web stuff - but for email use imapssl
i ssh into the mail server..
that works too
cradek: it's about the joomla registration
it sends you an email with the password you used
I got that stupid email too, I forgot
but as you said.. throwaway passwd
dear dumbass: in case you can't remember what you typed ten seconds ago, here it is
lol, yeah ;)
fenn: you might go and change it.. but I think you'll get another email :))
alex - cradek said you also have issues with shutting ubuntu down with emc2 running?
it's graphics card related I think..
cradek - it is doing the same thing as the 1.5ghz machine was doing when emc would not start then I would try to shut down. screen goes to a wierd blocky graphic. Like you said it must be the rt not unloading.
but I just remembered to shut down emc2 first
^acting like I know what I am talking about.
skunkworks: same thing happened to me too..
weird blocky text actually
yes - so this has happend on 2 differnt installes. - (I got the 450 running last night. ran the machine around)
bill2or2: - you around?
damn - have to get used to the tab thing
bill2or3: - are you around?
cradek - went to the ubuntu channel - boy that place is hopping.
skunkworks: usually 700+ people ;)
setting up the 450 - I didn't save the original ini as I know what the settings should be - went very smooth. I made the emc2 directory in my home and just put the stepper dir in there. I also put the ncfiles directory - took me a bit to figure out it would not automatially redirect to there - found the path setting in the ini file.
alex - wow
well I also had to put the common directory in the configs dir with the stepper dir.
if that makes sense.
I am running the default period of .00005 but I bet I could lower that a bit. axis/emc was running pretty smooth.
and yes - I just make sure I exit emc2 - no problem then ;)
skunkworks: that makes sense and it doesn't
skunkworks: you don't need to put the common/ dir there if you use the setupconfig screen to create a new configuration
skunkworks: I think setupconfig normalizes the configs (takes out the references to common)
basicly you should put the files to the same dir, and adapt the ini accordingly (e.g. replace ../common/emc.nml with emc.nml)
cradek: yes it does
I think we should do that in cvs.
cradek: and break run-in-place?
no, we should get rid of common altogether
when I had just emc2/configs/stepper - emc did not start. when I added the emc2/configs/common - then it did
in my home directory
skunkworks: we understand
skunkworks: in the ini, there are paths like ../common/file
skunkworks: setupconfig replaces those with just "file" and copies the file into the config directory
cradek: we can do that, but that means replicating the same file over and over again..
guess that's no biggie..
alex_joni: yeah it's a little unfortunate, but we take on the responsibility instead of giving it to the users
maybe we should talk about it saturday.
I feel pretty strongly that a user should be able to copy a config out of sample-configs and have it work.
maybe there's another solution that gives both goals, but I just haven't thought of it yet
we'll ponder till saturday
maybe we need to put a wiki page with disussion topics
wait - the setup config screen works now?
it may not work on installed systems?
I don't think it knows about the paths yet
I haven't looked at it, only heard what jmk has said
it has probably been a week or 2 sence I have tried it. last time I did it said somthing like "under development"
more stuff to play with
alpha1125 is now known as A-L-P-H-A
or4 left last night.
alex_joni, is there a way to make a linux liveCD read off a USB key for startup settings?
like pop in a CD + USB key, have the system automagically mount/read/run a script on the USB key?
A-L-P-H-A: that depends on the live cd, but most of them support something like that. the unbutu live cd is said to support it. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDPersistence
A-L-P-H-A: you could also look at puppy, that can run off the USB afaik
with emc2 on it..
alex_joni, looking to use another distro... just wondering if it was possible.
it certainly is
I know puppy works that way, when you boot it looks for USB sticks and FAT32 drives it can put data on
the distro I'm tinkering with now is called "backtrack" it's an interesting computer 'forensics' liveCD
And... I am in a computer forensics class. :) so oh well.
here are some pretty crappy pictures of the spindle (large also - did not scale them)
[16:35:24] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/spindle/
sorry about that
probably start from the bottom
* bill2or3 looks
we used something similar to this http://cgi.ebay.com/180DA-Collet-Chuck-Extension_W0QQitemZ3831000184QQcategoryZ57026QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
for the inner shaft?
is that outer part a solid bar that you bored out, or a piece of pipe/tube?
if I remember right - it was some sort of mechanical tubing pressed into the "flange"
so you didn't have to deal with making the inside taper at all, right?
and there's some sort of shaft coupler attaching the collet-holder to the shaft?
for the collet? - no - we used the whole collet extention (like the ebay auction)
this was made for high speed - we slotted the motor shaft and used a roll pin in the collet extender.
and grease ;)
* bill2or3 googles 'roll pin'
have you measured the runout?
we did back then - we used it the most with a 1/8 carbide cutter cutting clutch plates out for a crawler. around .06 thick
what's a crawler?
probably a foot in diameter - inside had splines that where cut also with the 1/8 mill
I'm trying to decide between a collet setup with a tighening collar like that one, or something with a drawbar.
which would determine whether I use a direct-drive, or a belt+pulley setup.
like a c5 (that is draw though isn;t it)
I dont know what a c5 is.
but I'm leaning torwards doing a drawbar setup.
since I have a set of MT2 collets
and I can get reamers that will ream a MT2 on the inside.
I figure If I make the whole thing, and then use it to ream it's own self, I should get a pretty 'true' taper.
but who knows, I'm just making this up as I go. :-)
that is what we do.
I made a delrin roller last night, with skateboard bearings. I think it'll be firm enough for something like the 'leading 2'
setup from here: http://engraving.majosoft.com/html/body_self_made_parts.html
initially I was thinking I'd have to use steel, but the delrin is pretty solid.
those are cheap
you use that with a drawbar?
* bill2or3 wonders what the outside threads are for.
03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: make make clean cleaner
03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: make make clean cleaner
you have been wanting to say that.
no 'make cleanest' ?
Is there any 'rule of thumb' when giving tolerances?
bill - if I remember right there is threads on the inside also. - yes used with a draw bar.
03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: make clean doesn't need to generate depends
alex_joni goto bed
why should I?
casue it's your bedtime!
nope, you're wrong
does "standard" pinout mean "sherline"?
I always thought standard pinout means emc1 pinout. other than that I don't know
I strongly suspect it matches sherline
jepler - no turds http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/axisubuntu.png
yes - i had run emc1 and emc2 with out changing the pinouts. and emc1 was the bdi - for the serline.
I'm just wondering what the clearest way to name the pinout is, for this little toy: http://axis.unpy.net:8080/
jepler: doesn't work in opera :(
doesn't work with ie
you think I care about either of those browsers? :-P
I mean, I'm grateful for the report, but I don't plan to fix the bug right away
skunkworks: thanks for the screenshot. are you getting the hang of the O-codes? I remain uninterested in learning them...
I am winging it most of the time. I would love to see where lerman got the standards for the language.
have not found a good source.
there is no standard
pretty much going by the samples he had for testing
it's his twisted mind that did this..
which leave a lot to be desired.
that program was actually something I had wrote in turbocnc - then modified it slightly so it would work in emc2 when I got lermans interp working
i lermans interp installed before it was part of the main branch.
^boy that didn't make much sense - but I am sure you guys are used to that by now.
skunkworks: we read IRC just fine ;)
I mean when I got lermans interp installed before it was part of the main branch.
as I said.. we parse these without any problem
* rayh wonders if skunkworks is putting his o examples in the wiki page we made for him?
sure he is
we have a wiki page for that?
just for you
Yup. Let me get the reference for it.
that was awfully nice of yous
[21:53:48] <rayh> http://emc.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Oword
didn't jepler have some examples also?
somewhere on wiki?
If you find em we could consolidate.
I wrote some e-mail to the list once, that's all I remember doing
hm - have to look back a few day - maybe it wasn't you. someone had posted some exaples for gene I thought when he was haveing sub problems.
probably it was lerman ;)
[22:04:16] <skunkworks> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?SubroutineSample
that is why I thought jepler - the top says - Code originally by jepler, converted to gcode by KennethLerman (lerman),
fixed by jepler.
yeah, that was pseudo-code by jepler
for an ellipse
The ellipse code I wrote was python, not pseudo-code
ok, kinda the same from my perspective ;)
ok - how do I edit it? can I even?
edit what -- the wiki? yes, but you have to follow the BasicSteps
Think I can figure it out.
[22:22:18] <jepler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BasicSteps
yep - found that - thanks
[22:25:36] <jepler> http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/02/vacuum_tube_age_technical_book.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
neat stuff here for the old-tech lover
darn, it doesn't work.
And if you type "format c:", the next time norton does a system scan, it detects the mirc logs as infected files and deletes them!!
stopkeylogger works too
jepler: you can use '/quit username' and it will kill them
it didn't work
is there some case where is useful to write a complex gcode file by hand ?
giacus: all you know is gcode and you want to make a complex part?
cradek: you want to make a complex part, and you don't have anything available?
it make not much sense eh ?
a student is asking me for that ..
I always used cam estensions for that
I just know G0, G20-1, and M6 :P
perhaps if I can get funding I'll begin work on LOGO for emc
to square down 10 repeat 4 [ right 90 forward 10 ] up 10 end
jepler: i'd like something like a breadboard for the logo
some square waveform around :P
giacus: I was saying (joking) that I wanted to make an interpreter for the LOGO language for emc, then I gave the example program 'to square ... end' in LOGO language
giacus: not that I wanted to create a new logo (picture) for emc
[23:01:50] <jepler> http://logo-programming-language.brainsip.com/
in the 80s it was a language used in a lot of US schools to teach computer programming, for kids up to the teenage years
looks nice, simple to understand, neat
I'd like to spend some bit of time more on Ruby
I have to search for the damn servos in these days, for my next cnc :/
cant find anything of good here around
too much inertia
North Dakota ?
danaher are nice, but far away from here too
I have to ask in torino
* alex_joni searches for rest..
see you tomorrow
i wouldnt be laying an order for your global express right now...
dmessier: how come?
all be it a "Hanger Queen"... she tilts one way over time... ; (
shock strut issues.... BIG uns
I'm not following
i make the landing gear for the Global Express Aircraft... and there are desighn issues...
My perfect parts fail the test of time for some reason... i suspect bad chrome
thin dense chrome to be precise... but i believe ive been getting flash hard chrome
cant prove it
shocks leak nitrogen
how so with a spect...??? same base metal... only one is porous and one is "denser" = "less porous"
hmm.. you could do those density tests (can't recall how they are called)
hmm...non magnetic.. if that helps
you bang the metal with a certain sharp thing, with a certain force
and measure the diameter of the holes
ok, that won't work..
I'll go dream about it.. g'night ;)
must be non destructive test
only microscope sprigs into mind
thats all it takes my friend a DREAM... and a nap
but not sure how conclusive that is
from 2 am till morning it's a nap allright
been there done that..
yup.. we all have..