General Director of Independent News Agency "Cubanac�n
Press " in hunger strike until Cuban authorities provide
free access to the internet from his home.
[00:33:22] <giacus> http://www.repubblica.it/2006/b/sezioni/esteri/cubafame/cubafame/este_03160821_09530.jpg
giacus url to the story?
[00:34:36] <giacus> http://www.puenteinfocubamiami.org/cuba_latest2006.htm
i think that says something about cuba.. but i dont know what
fenn: scroll the page there's a complete article by Guillermo Farinas
this man here: http://www.repubblica.it/2006/b/sezioni/esteri/cubafame/cubafame/este_03160821_09530.jpg
how much he can live ?
yes i read it..
1 week ? O_O
looks like a zombie ..
you would too if you went a year without eating
a year ? impossible..
says he started january last year
withoud drink life is very short
jan 2006 ?
oops i read that wrong
maybe it would be better for his cause if he drank water..
3days w/o water and your body starts shutting down
anyone can kill themself.. it takes guts to starve to death :)
yes, you can live for a long time without food but not without water ..
" I have decided to start a hunger strike without liquids," ..
* fenn goes to bed.. night night
will die soon
G night fenn
* giacus goes too
giacus is now known as giacus_afk
G'Night giacus_afk (Jacky)
Jymmm: some jpegs for you
[03:57:00] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/unpolished.jpg
[03:57:10] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/polished1.jpg
[03:57:21] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/polished2.jpg
that last one shows the dots nicely
Jymmm: these photos were taken under room lighting, with the plexiglass flat on the surface of a book. "unpolished" is a side that I didn't do anything with after it was milled with that tool we talkeda bout earlier, "polished" is sanded then buffed, and "polished2" shows the tiny dots through the side, to show that the polish really worked well.
cradek: yeah, it does
hey man~! how ya been?
seem to be ok I guess
who's the "in hte know" guy these days?
I'm sure that depends greatly on the topic
got a question about EMC and Bridgeport V2XT's
well I know about emc, but I don't know what a V2XT is
just wondering if anyone ever played with getting EMC to work with the hardware inside one, without changing everything
[04:23:11] <weyland> http://cgi.ebay.com/1992-Bridgeport-V2XT-CNC-3-Axis-Vertical-Mill-DX32-N-R_W0QQitemZ7585635518QQcategoryZ12584QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
damn... shoulda just said ebay item number 7585635518 is an example of one
looks like it comes with a working 386! why use emc?
I'm sure those six floppies are still good; they're only 13 years old
well, I've got a line on one that the motherboard blew up on, but is otherwise in PRISTINE condition
was playing with the idea of upgrading the computer and running EMC
I wonder what the machine interface is
I know the machine from day 1, and it's only been used 20 times
15 of those were cutting plastic, 5 were Aluminum
if it's analog out an encoder counts in (and you can find information about it), it'll be easy to write a hal driver.
... AND encoder counts in
I, personally, have no idea, but thought someone involved in EMC might know, for some odd reason
or, you could probably get a modern card like Motenc
I was thinking Jon might know
he sure might
someone probably does know, but not us ;)
Ray, JonE, maybe even jmk
:) Hey man~!
just ship it over to me, and I'll get it working. Then you can buy this one on ebay
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
you might be able to get an old '386 cheaper than the interface to that machine
The one I'm hoping for is local to me, in my old VoTech school
that's a nice lead then
that's good, because it probably weighs 5000 pounds
my old Teacher called me to offer it to me, because he knows I can fix it
and he doesn't wanna see it waste away
you can likely run it with emc and an analog I/O card (plus some digital)
and I can get it CHEAP
sounds like you can get it for $0 plus hauling it out of his shop
SWPadnos: yeah, I thought of that
not THAT cheap, but cheap enough that I wouldn't worry over it
hell - I'll pay you $150 for it
anyway, I just thought it would be kewl (if I had to upgrade it) to put EMC on it
as long as you keep the dead motherboard
I won't take over 5$ for it
OK - I'll take the motherboard then
I'm sure I have several 386/486 motherboards around
The problem is that the Bridgeport software won't run if you put a faster processor in
it also might be fun to put it back to original (if the original software is functional enough)
oh I'm sure somewhere
I have the software
a 486 without the turbo switch on would surely work
remember turbo switches? That's pretty funny now, isn't it
oooohhh - 33 MHz - WOW!
ha, I had a 386/40
WITH A COPROCESSOR
I remember watching centipede run on the AT&T 6300WGS (386, 25 or 33 MHz)
that was my first linux machine. It kicked ass.
right up there with LeisureSuit Larry
the damn thing too 1/2 second to get to the bottom of the screen
Weitek or Intel?
can you read all the floppies for the original software?
not many people bought the Weiteks
I was also thinking of possibly running the software in DOSEMU, wine, or VMWare
if so, make copies TODAY
no, that'll never work
HAve it on CD
why wouldn't it work?
because the latency would be screwed with
dos is pseudo-realtime by nature
jepler: and the "dots" were created with the osrund bit?
Jymmm: they were done with a pointed 60 degree PCB mechanical-etching tool
Jymmm: the dots are about .004 diameter
cradek Ah, ok. so what was the onsrund bit used for, cutting?
yeah just cutting the outside shape
cradek: very cool. I hope I get good results engraving/carving with their bits then
we had a lot of trouble cutting out a shape without melting/rewelding (using regular 2 or 4 flute endmills)
cradek: I spent about 6 hours researching/talking to onsrund
cradek: you still up?
cradek: tried install of emc2 as per new info on your website....
all seems to have installed, but when I run emc from command line or menu, insmod fails to load most of the modules
I get operation not permitted on rtai_hal.ko
file exists on adeos.ko
unknown symbol in module on rtai_up.ko
and similar errors on 6 more modules
finally emc bails with could not load rtapi and hal_lib
will try some more tomorrow... goodnight all
giacus_afk is now known as giacus
hi jepler :)
i want to play around with my cnc today
but still have the problem of different formats and converting to gcode emc eats
like ps2gcode... produces a gcodefile but axis/emc barfs because the format doesnt match
I write most of the software that I produce gcode with, so it hasn't been a problem for me
I'm not familiar with ps2gcode
well, i have some nice vectorgraphics and would like to gcode them
the converting is all so complicated
this software? http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~alanb/ps2gc.html
i have eps as source .. kann use inkscape to save it as svg, but cant convert it using cam.py (which i intended to use)
it looks like it dumps some debugging information directly into the output
no, thats not the problem
if you specify a outputfile no debuggingstuff will get written into the outputfile
only if you use stdout you get trash at the start
What gcode problems are there.
G17 G40 G49 G53 G80
G0 X7.063194 Y16.182222
no G)3 or )4 ( as i take out the ngc handbook)
axis thinks that the line with "G53" is bogus
I don't see a G93
yes, but if i do G17 G40 G49 G53 G0 G80 it says its ok
jep: yes, thats the problem axis barfs about... no feedrate
that's probably not what you want
well there is no feedrate in that program
i got no clou on ngc... and really, i dont intend to dig deep till i have finished some other stuff
g0 and g80 ought to barf.
G0 G53 X- Y- Z- moves in the absolute coordinate system
rayh: that's true too
rayh: but it looks like it's accepted
cncuser: I'd just remove the G53, rather than trying to add a G0 so that it's accepted
Dave E pointed out the other day that g40 will cause problems on a long line.
It seems that the interp wants to set units before it does other stuff.
cncuser: Maybe in some other system, G53 means all following moves are in machine coordinates, but that's not what emc does, and it undoes the usefulness of offsets.
and can't set units if units is is use
G53 is only effective on the line in which it is used.
Always has been that way.
rayh: "maybe in some other system" ..
was that way on ab and fanuc when the interp was written.
fprintf(file,"G80\n"); // Cancel any existing motion cycle
I'd say just take out the lines that generate G53 G80
add add an F- somehow
cannot do g1 with zero feedrate
is feedrate an arg to the converter?
cncuser: do you have an example .ps file? The simple one I wrote doesn't produce any XY movements even though I think it should.
0 0 moveto 100 100 lineto stroke showpage
oh, wait, I was just invoking it wrong. now I got something.
eek, this gcode is scarily wrong
G0 X0.000000 Y0.000000
I guess Z0.1 is supposed to be above the workpiece
i dump that tool
maybe try this patch before you give up. http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/ps2gc-for-emc.patch
the generated file does load in axis+emc1
it works, but loks strange :)
I don't think this interprets postscript very well
This should make a square (and it does, according to my postscript viewer): 0 0 moveto 72 0 lineto 72 72 lineto 0 72 lineto closepath stroke showpage
but I only get a diagonal line
hmm, cam.py used on a svg also gives me something i doidnt intend...
looks like hereses a lot to do :(
jepler: what do i do wrong if i load something into axis and it looks correctly. but when i start it plots it miniminiminimized in some corner.
your units are screwy.. didnt we already go over this?
fenn: hmmm, maybe, dont remember
* fenn suggests either adding a g20 or g21 or getting the latest axis
extensions/emcmodule.cc:371: error: 'class EMC_TRAJ_STAT' has no member named '
error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
cncuser: you'll need to update your emc2 and axis both
ok, so emc first
cncuser: or you can just remove the line with the error. I don't think motion_type is used by axis yet
because jepler hasn't finished that
I'm just lazy
cncuser: or you could get the 1.1.1 release instead of 1.2
i get the latest opf the latest :)
ok then maybe you should update emc2 too
i do )
right now compile
emc2 and axis cvs-head tend to track right together
thanks to the scripts its no hassle at all ;)
the gui changed again :)
yours must have been old
I think we fixed all the units problems some time ago
oki, the newest emc2+the newest axis & stepper mm config + axis as DISPLAY made myt puter hang right after the configurationdialogs
even sysrq didnt work. a full hang
maybe PERIOD is too small
cradek: should that matter if the machine is not even runed on (estop on, machine off)
cncuser: doesn't matter
hi alex, btw :)
hi btw ;)
sorry, im not able to look at this any further right now. my collegue needs the puter... idea eats up massive ressources
xterminals rule :)
but ther error happens on the setup i described in the puppysitmastering howto
when i use the BDI's 126.96.36.199-magma kernel, my disk has very low performance because i can't set dma with hdparm. is this normal?
i get " HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" message when i use hdparm -d1
Timing buffered disk reads with 2.6.8-2-686 is 40.55 MB/sec; with magma kernel is ~5.00 /MB/sec
03alex_joni * 10emc2/docs/help/tkemc.txt: moved the helpfile over from emc1
03alex_joni * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: updated tkemc so it can find the helpfile
acemi: dma mazbe dissabled because it interfers with the rtai capabilities
acemi: a disk could use memory anytime it wants to. that doesnt help predictability
acemi: I had the exact same problems
it's a kernel problem
I had it with 2.6.8-2-SMP-686
alex: i think its intentional. the earlier bdis also had dma diabled
my fix was to add the specific IDE chipset driver on top of /etc/modules
cncuser: no way
alex: well, it sounds logical to me that dma doesnt improve realtime
cncuser: I am talking about an unpatched kernel
alex_joni but i have no problem with 2.6.8 kernel
if the cpu has nothing to do with it. the hardware could be used by other hardware without adeos keeping it from doing so
acemi: the kernel works, but the idegeneric driver doesn't as it should
in my case I needed the piix module
i thought magma...bla is the rtaid stuff
after putting that piix into /etc/modules and rebooting, I could hdparm it
oh, and with 2.4 this worked ok
just 2.6.8 was the problem
and no other kernel in sarge
but i can use hdparm -d1 with 2.6.8
oh, then you perhaps have a different issue
there is no problem with it
check the kernel config for idedma
before i want to learn is these i trick for magma & emc
03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: support for tkemc/mini help
03rayhenry * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: overhaul and start of modify and tune.
[19:28:05] <acemi> http://www.rtai.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?DMA_And_Jitter
rayh_ is now known as rayh
03alex_joni * 10emc2/tcl/mini.tcl: fixed helpfile support for mini
03cradek * 10emc2/TODO: make install finished
03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile: installing helpfiles to the appropiate place
alex_joni: compile one yourself
anonimasu: I'm too lazy for that :)
kidding.. it's a very important machine, can't afford to screw/forget somthing
alex_joni: why are you running linux on it?
03cradek * 10emc2/TODO: new idea
* anonimasu would run bsd
anonimasu: basicly because I've been running linux for the last 5 years without any problems on it
cradek: new idea !?
"A failed emc run should collect data and give the option of sending it to the developers."
haha new to us
you'll hate that feature in the end
where you've been ??
...and you are?
yes, I am
Im always here
mhh .. you may recall some other nickname :P
my nick was Jacky^ !
a bit better of yours
rayh is now known as rayh-away
* asdfqwega is burning computers for firewood
too cold ?
snow due later...but more like 'too many'
03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: for tkemc's help file
03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: updated docsdir
anybody ou there?
habl: yes and no
this is an automatic reply to notify you that everybody is away
so, is there a live-cd version of the EMC software
habl: recent or older?
there is an older moprhix based Live version running emc1
and a newer puppy-linux based version running emc2
#1 - stable, #2 - might get you into troubles (not very likely but still)
do you have an url for dl it?
[21:38:49] <habl> http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
[21:39:00] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/
no, that is a usage map of emc users
is it actually usable for laser-cuting machines?
i would need no y-axes but an on/off switch for the laser
and a so called "laser-chiller"
I think you mean no z-axes
on/off switch sounds like M62/M63
the "laser-chiller" is a clocker for the time periodes the laser is switched on
habl: explain a bit more
well if you drive slowly trough the material you won't need 100% of the laser-power
so you throttle the laser by switching it on for lets say 20% of the time
I see.. so you need to adjust laser-power
you can use the spindle-speed for that
Sxxx sets the RPM's of a spindle
given a proper scale it would give your laser power
how fast can it switch?
and - can i define line different lines on different layer with faster and slower x/y speed?
i have not tested EMC yet
sorry if i anoy you
you're not annoying at all
we are working on making emc2 better
so all input is welcomed
habl: what kind of CAM are you planning to use?
CAM beeing the process of translating the CAD drawings into G-Code for machining (or cutting in your case)
well, we already have one in use
for laser I would suggest something like sheetcam
it is a eplorer from laserproi.com
habl: ok, what's it called?
sheetcam --> linux?
habl: not really :)
that's my point
habl: at least not now..
i am searching something that runs on linux
anyways.. there is this thought:
1. have a G-code with XY movements, F-words for feed, and S-words for laser power
if the CAM gets those right, emc2 will have no problems
2. have a G-code with XY, and F-words, tell emc2 what max-laser-power is, and what speed that is for
then have emc2 scale the power accordingly to current_speed/max_speed
habl: both are pretty easy to do with emc2
thank you for your explenation
the first one is basicly already there
for the second one you need to set a few things up, but nothing complicated
and you would recommend me sheetcam as free software for designing?
habl: care to tell me a bit more about HW you plan to use?
well, it is already in use
habl: no, I used it when it was free, it isn't anymore afaik
habl: servo or stepper?
busy in here today :)
i have not seen the machine yet but i will have the chance to care about it in a month
habl: you might your impressions on emc2 till then
I bought some servos on ebay :)
i think it's a stepper machine
SheetCam standard with Mach2 $275 (US dollars)
well.. wouldn't trust Mach2 & doze for machining
but sheetcam seemed useable
what is mach2 anyway?
a windows based machine controller
i'd like to use debian-linux -- with a realtime patch if neccesary...
realtime is quite necessary
but why the hell is it a coded on a non-realtime multithread operationsystem like M$ ?
because most people won't buy software unless it runs on windows, no matter how badly
i was thinking about coding a software based on python and gtk under lkinux
do you write code?
if you're doing open source, that's a great idea
if you want to sell it, it's a terrible idea
that was my intention
no it would not be a bad idea if you write it for BSD-derivated
the new mach2/3/4 uses offboard realtiem pulse generation, so the windows thing is not such a problem there
I think that software should be rated on a "grit" scale. I.e., this software is so bad, I'd rather be rubbed with 120-grit sandpaper
the better the software, the higher the gritmark
we're all refreshed by your unique idea
is that a compliment?
habl: python and wxwidgets are cross-platform and may save you some gtk anguish in the end also
so if i got it right the postprocessor is the time-critical component
the OS ?
the servo loops
and the trajectory planner
habl: the servo control loop, and the stepper pulse generation, are the worst
worst == shortest realtime deadlines
what are the frequencies they work at?
1 to 20 khz
10 MHz or higher?
i wouldn't go over 4khz for a PWM carrier..
so 4khz is the frequency you controlll the servos with?
uh.. i dunno. i think 1khz is average for isa servo cards
#+ Base task period, in secs - this is the fastest thread in the machine
BASE_PERIOD = 0.000050
motenc goes faster because its pci, but i dont really know why or how much faster
this is from a default configuration file in emc2
sorry for asking, but you need a special PCI-card?
no but there isn't a huge range of selection
i thought you're using the parallel-port or usb...
habl: what kind of hardware do you want to run with emc? With steppers, and some servo systems, you just use the parallel port as digital outputs. other servo systems use PCI or ISA cards
you'll need some kind of hardware interface to the servos.. some drivers (like pico systems) can use parallel port
but most are pci or isa cards
there is not really much information on the vendors webpage:
[22:06:42] <habl> http://tinyurl.com/axsgh
Drive: DC Servo Control
Speed Control: (Adjustable from 0.1-100% of 80 ips (Up to 16 color-linked speed settings per job)
Computer Interface: (Standard printer port and USB port)
hmm.. looks like a standalone control
is there any chance to write my own software for that guy?
"32 MB memory buffer"
why would you write new software for it?
this buffer is to store "jobs" in te machine to run it without a computer later
i bet it just takes postscript
the problem is currently that the circles it cuts are not round
habl: you can either put it aside, and use a puter with software (emc or your own)
or just use the box
you can work with *.plt
habl: I would suggest a PC+motenc+emc2
a good thing would be a dircet import from a cad-programm without converting the data for the laser-cutter
motenc is the software for CAD?
red lines/profiles are g41 blue ones are g42
$795.50 for a PCI-controller-card?
that sound a lot for me
habl: servo-control is not cheap
you can get the motenc-lite
but i only has M$ drivers and software
* giacus burp
habl: the motenc & motenc-lite are supported by emc2
i just visited http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller/
but where do i find a link to the live-cd download?
habl: hat's is just the map community
there's a link on the top
habl: are you familiar with Linux ?
why do not try to compile Emc2 from source ?
the question is: are you familiar with Windows?
could be an option
giacus: that is not an option for everybody
the fact is, cd live its ok, but not for a real work ..
alex_joni: he seems ready for it
sure but just to get a first imperssion
dunno how much it can do the right impression in that way
@alex i just began my studies at www.tum.de
anyway, go to download and try it
there are also some romanian guy who seem to be interested in soldering some circuits
why not give it a real scence and try to code a nice software for a laser-cutter
Bojan, Alex, Dan...
we have a very good equiped "Electronic-Laboratoy"
habl: not sure I'm following you...
habl: that's nice to hear
some sponsors gave us usefull equipment for experiments
sounds good. what's tum? TU Muenchen?
this is an FAQ page for the elab: http://tinyurl.com/dv7h3
habl: congrats :)
well, i am doing my first stepps...
but i am full of ideas and see the chance to _do_ things now
the TUM is a really great place to study
somehow you can compare it with the MIT
it is my small MIT of europe
to come back to my beeing here
habl: where are you from?
i am living here now
but originally i am frrom "köln" better know as Cologne, live in Norway, moved to Berlin and now i study in Munich
my parents are from hungary
liveD in Norway
habl: mine too :)
sorry but hungarian writing is terrible
s'ok, I dont speak any :)
where are you from robin?
dad got out in '56
we have a redistributor of our products there
[22:38:49] <habl> http://tinyurl.com/8gjq2
and now guess from whom i am working besides my studies
to get back on the track
i am just downloading the iso image
i will try out the emc later
is it based on KDE and a whoppix Linux-distro?
interesing designs ... foam planes huh
foam is crap but sells good
wing sections look ... flat?
what i like is laserd wood
wood-kits you have to build yourself
ooh. wanna buy a laser ;) ?
it is flat
those models only fly because of the propulsion
gotta nice CO2 for sale ..... ;)
habl: I know someone playng around helicopters and cnc too http://www.propellers.it/
that are really nice props
yeah, all maded with cnc
are they handmade?
but no prices there
this Ferranti laser needs to go .. and soon. 450W CO2,
some of our guys is pretti familiar with that toy http://www.lmwatts.com/bio.html
i like fast e-planes
check out this site (with CNC-mills too!) http://tinyurl.com/bpsw7
and watch he video
robin_sz: just came back from a customer, played with a 2kW trumpf :)
face well known
where's les ?
he's not around
alex_joni: mm nice. trumpf 2030?
Leslie M. Watts seems to like patents
and to invent them
robin_sz: think so, it's a bit older
but cutting through 8mm like butter
mine does too :)
10mm is OK .. but 12mm sucks
the 2kw shoudl do 15mm fine
I cut some 6mm stainless on it ...
slow, but it did it
looks like I am moving to a bigger factory soon! .. thank god!
not very big, just 250m^^2, but enough ... end of march / early april
time to plan the move!
what are your products?
robin_sz: just few tons o material to move ?
laser cut steel parts
giacus: yeah, many tonnes
and you sell worldwide?
or in the UK only
just local ...
robin_sz: how much away ?
oh, just 20km move, not far
will be 2km from my house now
and you are working with plasma cutters?
used to desing/build/sell them
gave that up .. too hard. easier to just do sub-contract laser work
can i asked you something offtopic?
we have a customer who did not pay
is there any chance to get the money back with the help of an inkasso agency?
habl: there are nice russian people that do that
encashment agency --> yes in the UK
yes, possible ... just use "small claims court" ... cost is �10 or so
do you have a url?
online filing, court delivers a notice etc
habl: for any prob ask to me, we'll send sicilian mafia there
[22:57:18] <robin_sz> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/photos/machine2/DCP_1200.JPG
# one of my plasma machines
and it cuts with 2KW
that's a plasma
not a laser
[22:59:38] <robin_sz> https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/guidelines_main.jsp
so the difference is that you have a gas-flame right?
thats a plasma .. not laser, cuts with an arc of electricity and air
no, laser is optical, plasma is constricted electrical arc
flame = oxy-fuel
habl: thats a small, crap, plasma system I built and sold a few of
laser should be much expensive too.. for what I know
[23:01:09] <robin_sz> http://www.rapidcut.co.uk/
thats my laser :)))))
robin_sz: did you hear they built an 454W laser diode?
wow ... not one diode, but a bar right?
wow ... really?
yeah, just read it a few weeks ago
can't imagine how they cool it :D
normally they are about 10W ... you put 10 in a bar about 10mm long, for a 100w module ...
you still need to use a YAG rod though ... laser diode beam quality is not good enough for cutting
how many Milimeters does it drive per second?
what? hte laser?
when cutting or positioning?
84m/minute positioning speed
that's fast indeed
cutting ... well 11m/minute in 1mm steel
mantikor_not really, modern lasers repositon nearly 200m/minute ...
mines 8 years old
and you can cut directly from autocad?
pretty much ..
dxf into nestingpackage ...
send to laser .. parts
the nesting package applies the toolpath, pierce points etc
and this part is taking place on the machine or in your pc?
PC in the drawing office
sent by serial top the laser ..
job sheet printed out and given to the operator
loads the program, loads the steel .. presses the green button
anyway .... apart from that .. did anything great happen?
robin_sz: did you get my message?
mantikor_: nope ...
i tried to chat with you in private
I dont have dcc chat by the way
mantikor aka habl
you need to register your nick for that to work
ah, thats true ..
MSG robin_sz <habl> hey thank you very much
<habl> if we are successfull with getting our money AFF-CNC Modellbau would like to give you a small gift
<habl> please choose one model out of our sortiment:
<habl> and we will send it you for free
that was actually not meant public
is there a way to contact you?
i will let you know next week
I *think* it might need to be you that registers the complaint though ... but I dont know ... maybe I can
i will register the complaint that's ok
robin_sz: you can set your nick to accept unregistered /msg's
can't recall how
alex_joni: can I? ... hmm maybe
but it is a huge sum and if it works out...well it was you who gave me the helpfull information and saved us ime
huge sum? oh .. that service only works for <�1000
well it is <1000 Euro
but huge enough for us
the other people are Thomas Higgins .. VERY good and aggressive, but professional debt recovery solicitor
[23:20:56] <robin_sz> http://www.thomashiggins.com/
these people get right onto it and get good results
ygm --> "you got mail"
is that the shotage for that?
I don't think I've ever seen "ygm" before
* robin_sz goes to look
slightly back on topic ...
did you consider a shaped wing?
4 axis CNC hot wire?
X Y motion at tip and root ?
I always wanted to try that ...
and .. while we are on .. :) ... the wings on your models .. just plain foam? or laminated ?
* robin_sz gazes at the models ... nice planes ... the Yoda is very neat.
plain - consider the models are very light --> ca. 160 grams
thats a bit more than a chocolate
check out our video at the bottom of this page:
rayh-away is now known as rayh
[23:43:08] <mantikor_> http://tinyurl.com/awf2c
I have a small air-powered plane .. foam wing with some sort of sticky-plastic film on top and bottom
like adhesive tape I guess
makes it VERY strong
good to know
heh, that ducted fan video ...
its a good demonstration of two things
retry in a please try again
[23:53:30] <mantikor_> http://tinyurl.com/awf2c
should work now
the yoda model is very popular in the UK
indoor still doesn't work
I still have a 3.8m thermal glider I have not flown .. hangs on the bedroom wall as decortation :)
so .. the Alpha Jet video shows two things.
1) electric planes have really some speed now
2) auto-focus cameras do not work in all situations :)
and zoom doesn't either
at least not enough for cheam cameras :P
you see it get focus as it comes near, and then stay locked as it goes away to the dot in the sky
still, nice fast little plane
indoor works now
and that is 5 year old technique shown there
a really fast bastard is this one here:
[23:59:47] <mantikor_> http://tinyurl.com/7cms2
top speed > 350 km/h