why is a skype phone in the topic?
anyone else having problems with the wiki? its not saving my preferences (so i cant edit) with konqueror, but fireforx works..
does konq not work even during the same run (ie, if you haven't restarted it)?
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heh - if only I could set myself as an op :)
.do not work :(
requires operator status ;)
we could try a dos attack
aniway its a nice thing, but probably ot
* fenn hates phones
* fenn hisses
hmmm - one sec
fenn: I bought the skydapter in december
have to try it yet :(
oops. I screwed that one up
but.. in italy we have the highest prices of the world*
I hate monopolies
so much for investigative reporting
ok somehow cookies got turned off in konqueror.. weird
may he have some keyboard issue
id like to try links2
in graphical mode
but.. (!) DirectFB/Core: Could not initialize 'system' core! --> Not supported! svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions.
I have to check latest ati driver in xorg
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Hi Lymmm ...
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alex_joni: 09:57 <@alex_joni> darn irssi
what happen ?
Jacky^: tried to change the topic
and it backfired :D
alex_joni: don't you have nightly emc2 snapshots somewhere?
do you understand udev?
I thought you had the rtai vs udev problems solved
well I have a hack that works but requires sudo because I can't figure out how to get the permissions I want on /dev/rtai_shm.
the hack is the lines appended to /etc/udev/links.conf
but those are created with --mode=600 and you can't specify otherwise
I can't even figure out if udev creates /dev entries when modules are inserted, or if it does something else.
Match a device identified by a KERNEL name starting with the letters "ts" optionally followed by anything at all, and name it with the KERNEL name (%k) under the input directory.
udev gets invoked when devices are created by the kernel
what is a KERNEL name?
it could be because a device is attached (usb, pcmcia) or a module is inserted
+ cldev = class_device_create(xnpipe_class, MKDEV(XNPIPE_DEV_MAJOR, i),
+ NULL, "rtp%d", i);
so when we insert a dozen modules by hand, it doesn't trigger any of these events?
does your rtai have lines like the ones added in this patch? https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2005-September/012983.html
can't seem to load that page...
this version has devfs_mk_cdev(... "rtf/%u" ...)
devfs is old and busted
just like gnome-terminal
[16:15:26] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/012983.html
this version (the very latest) doesn't have any call to class_device_create, nor does it have a file called pipe.c
HAL:48: ERROR: pin 'iocontrol.0.user-enable-out' not found
hm, I tried to run the emc from your deb and got this when I selected sim
do it again
I think that's the thing that happens sometimes
I suppose there should be a bug report
jepler: does it work the second time?
cradek: it worked the third time
recv(5, "add@/module/adeos\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/adeos\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1600\0", 1536, 0) = 80
recv(5, "add@/module/rtai_hal\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/rtai_hal\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1601\0", 1536, 0) = 86
recv(5, "add@/module/rtai_up\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/rtai_up\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1602\0", 1536, 0) = 84
recv(5, "add@/module/rtai_fifos\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/rtai_fifos\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1603\0", 1536, 0) = 90
recv(5, "add@/module/latency_rt\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/latency_rt\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1604\0", 1536, 0) = 90
udev does see some events when I start the kern/latency rtai test
cool, maybe those devfs calls do something
recv(5, "add@/class/misc/RTAI_SHM\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/class/misc/RTAI_SHM\0SUBSYSTEM=misc\0SEQNUM=1641\0MAJOR=10\0MINOR=254\0", 1536, 0) = 111
udev creates /dev/RTAI_SHM
so maybe you want KERNEL="RTAI_SHM" SYMLINK="rtai_shm" to match the name expected by emc?
and another line with MODE= and/or GROUP=
I can put that in a file /etc/udev/rules.d/emc2.rules
KERNEL=="RTAI_SHM" SYMLINK=="rtai_shm" MODE="0666"
I'll put it in the deb
is MODE not a problem for /dev/rtf/?
I don't think we use those
the latency test does, but requiring sudo on it is no problem
jepler: debs are in place - please remove that stuff from /etc/udev/links.conf before you update
cradek: OK, but I rebooted into fedora for the moment
jepler: hmm, the deb is broken anyway (because of emc2-wizard.gif)
someone needs to add a space after http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
Hi Skunk...I will probably be through town there on the week of the 7 th...
Have motors coming for for the Z drive...Think I will go with the big one, even though its going to mean more mounting work...whole new plate...
But, it allows a 3:1 drive, which is more practical...made the 30 tooth puley this morning...had to ream out to .5 inches, and turn down a length
for a shaft clamp...rather than set screw, as there was not enough meat left for the screw...pulley is .744 OD ...
The clamp can fit down inside the plate and stick up just enough for the belt guide height...
should be able to drop the stall current down by almost an amp from the original design....
Along with the bigger motor, should not burn up even without a counter weight/spring...
dealership is still woking with you?
03rayhenry * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: Streamline look and add tree stuff under view menu.
03cradek * 10emc2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): minor tweaks for deb packaging/make install
03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in:
will this work around the problem where emc sometimes gives a hal error
and fails to load?
wonder if that's a wait command in there ;)
hello.. anyone around?
echo - echo - echo
care to see my new control thingie?
it's for an XY sherline slide ;)
[19:03:14] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control1.jpg
[19:03:23] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control2.jpg
nice - stepper or servos gecko drives?
Is this something you have? sherline mill? Or making it for someone? very clean
it's something I hacked together quickly
I have a XY slide from sherline
no mill or anything, still deciding if I should do a plotter or not ;)
what kind of movement?
how do you mean that?
how much movement x/y - 6X4 or so?
did I ever show you this? http://www.electronicsam.com/video/MVC-341W.MPG
well.. 200x100 mm or so
7.8X3.937 inches ;) That would be neet to play with on a small drill press
nice video ;)
[19:15:42] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/video/
there are a bunch - all pretty much the same ;) thanks
seen my movies?
[19:16:26] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/mytoy/
seen a few - love to see more
unlinkely to produce more than those..
That thing is quite interesting
did you have it so it would tighten up the cables at startup?
no, they would stay pretty tight even when switched off
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the end of doc on the wiki http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Emc_Puppy
Published under a Creative Commons License
wich Creative Commons license ?
oh.. maybe youre not the owner of the wiki
but it seems wrong to me do not specify which CC it use :/
there are 6 CC license
its not clean
and so on for many others doc in emc :(
I seen someone in Roboitalia community do not using any license for his docs, just sayd me, ask to me for permission to modify it .. O_O
is the peoples so confused ?
can a doc without any license assumed as 'public domain' ?
any written text is copyrightet by the writer
if he wants to release it as open it's his choice
in that case how is ?
Creative commons have 6 licenses, where some is nice
I can also can agree with someone who want to use absolute (c)
but isnt clean .. there
03cradek * 10emc2/debian/postinst: part of the udev support
jepler: did you get vim on ubuntu to work right? Mine won't fontify or remember my position in files
03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: alex says this'll actually fix it
cradek: maybe there a vim-full package or something like that? that's the way it was on fedora. I think I haven't been getting syntax highlighting, dunno about position remembering.
make sure .viminfo is not owned by root...
doh, it is
that does fix positioning
03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/control.c: hopefully a fix for bug #1205237, in free mode joints were analyzed which aren't actually there
* Jacky^ want a 3d scanner !!
* alex_joni suggest moving a normal scanner up/down
damn it, theres no progress in homemade projects
alex_joni: I want it http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/mich.html
thi is interesting too : http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/forma-urbis/forma-urbis.html
there's a lot of work to do
03cradek * 10emc2/debian/rules: this makes it easy to add little stuff like desktop icons to the deb.
looking for a 3D scanner
any idea ?
ive 3-4k models to scan and machine
hello alll jan 29 and +7-9 degrees in toronto area
whats this i heard about global warming
we got snow everywhere too
we hav NO snow
its the wind ..
dont worry about it
the ground ist even frozen
are you member of greenpeace ?
the water table in the region is about 1 M below normal
dmessier: no problem
in a native canadian...
ucraine cut gas in italy
were burning wood ..
italy gets gas from the ukraine???
italy hane no nuclear gas
i see.. or ci if you'd rather
nuclear??? is different
how you call it ?
oil you mean right
not reactor type of nuclear??
we have TAR sands in canadas north
sand soaked with oil in the cold
[22:28:18] <Jacky^> http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2006/01/clean_energy_dirty_information.html#comments
italy did a referendum years ago
no nuclears won
canada's CANDU reactors are amongst the safest on the planet
but there was rumour they would not build any new ones
we believe in alternative energy
us too.. we have MANY wind farms going up
but our goverment dont want it ..
its a business question
you know who is our first minister berlusconi ?
he like to do affairs with bush
[22:33:00] <Jacky^> http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/01_Gennaio/28/maltempo.shtml
oh i see... we "recognize bush"... but thats about it
he is trying to finish daddy's dream
i've another idea about the progress
f we want to continue believing in progress, we need to progress the idea of progress.
progress=neat air no smog
if planet is suffering someone somewhere have some responsability
that why there are no seasons
and you are +7-9 degrees in toronto
celscius or Fahrenheit ? :P
I've an aunt there
and many cousin :(
latest time ive seen him was in 1979 :((
jack and michael
hamilton is neat place
I prefer jack :O
my mother was been some year ago
ive seen some photos
very nice place
used to be a dirty steel mill town
I just know its a cold place
not today it isnt
sure, the snow is here :(
think a place as geneva, near the sea, under the snow
eu got the lowest temperature of latest 70 years ..
never seen a winter so cold
in my life
hmm more confirmation for my global shift theory
* Jacky^ listen mozart :P
geneva is not near the sea
is on the sea !
it is not ...
trust me, I work there, I would have noticed
oh theres the lake ...
theres the biggest acquarium of italy there
where was Colombo ..
[23:04:10] <Jacky^> http://images.google.it/images?svnum=10&hl=it&lr=&safe=off&q=genova&btnG=Cerca
we often have snow in geneve, noting new
infact, its a lot warmer now than it used to be ...
is there geneve in the UK ?
no, in switzerland
I wasnt know it
ok, our is 'Genova'
there is a geneva in italy as well as .ch?
robin_sz: I just tried to translate 'Genova? in Geneve
I should be correct
you confused me "think a place as geneva, near the sea, under the snow"
we know your place as Genoa I think
also Milan is under the snow
still no snow in the UK though
thats not a 'normal' condition
too much cold
its pretty normal these days not to ahve any snow in winter in the UK
used to have lots 30 years ago
getting warmer :(
[23:08:33] <robin_sz> http://www.meteo.fr/temps/france/nivose/niv74.html
cold, but little snow
[23:10:38] <robin_sz> http://www.chamonet.com/webcams/jpg/chamonix-panoramic-cam.jpg
plenty of snow in chmaonix
I have flown my parapente from that location of the webcam
only in summer though
its a sport right ?
sort of like gliding with a parachute
good fun when you get it right
a bit dangerous
not so much now
early gliders where dangerous
now the desing is better
can you take another people on your ?
yeah, its funny
get adrenaline pure
sort of ...
its actually very peaceful and relaxing
like gliding in a plane
what the max time in fly ?
sometime, like first ever takeoff on skis, now that is adrenaline!
15-20 minuts ?
top to bottom?
if go straight down, yeah
but you can stay up as long as you like in summer
k4ts: talking abou parapendio
I have not flown mine for a while ... I must use it again
k4ts is fighting with his new camera ..
cant remember the right word
she bought a nikon camera, D50
how've you been?
hey alex_joni :)
I can understand
wanna see the latest?
no ... REALLY busy
yeah .. show me
[23:21:57] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control1.jpg
[23:21:59] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control2.jpg
worked until 2am every night this week
mmm geckos :)
2 axis ?
I dont like a thing
it doesnt have a fan
well.. it's for some small sherline motors
Jacky^: no fan required
for small motors no problem
are these the new G202s?
that's why the plastic box
the 202 will go to 7A with no heatsink
201 needs a sink above about 3A
for bigger motors I'd chosen some heatsink
* robin_sz nods
yeah .. but the box is small
plenty big enough
Id use 220 V fan
no ever needed
fans only fail
* robin_sz nods
the g201 are dead cold
do not become hot tha toroidal transformer ?
alex_joni: how do you find the 201 performance?
I never used steppers though..
impressive for a small block I think
but seeing those little motors running at 10 RPS..
robin_sz: not after you've seen the G340 ;)
I have quite a few of those
wanna see my new factory?
alex_joni: where you bought the geckos ? in EU or US ?
npt in EU ...;)
* robin_sz passes alex_joni some CE stickers
found a nice new factory to move to ...
another 100m2 of floor space
k4ts: eh ?
takes it up to 250m2
small, but enough for now
k4ts: noting more.. finished
robin_sz: already seen my 'lab' page ?: http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/photos/lab/lab.html
ive some geckos waiting to run too !
in the next week I want to search for good motors and encoders
have to start building a new cnc
best servos seems to are from US
but I was thinking at what I can find in china
that scope? is it a Tektronix?
its and old 20 mhz
good scopes have "tektronix" written on them, good digital meter have "Fluke"
good analogue meters have "AVO"
still ... nice lab
I'm tired to use steppers
want to start servos for next cnc
too much time machining a piece
they work well for small machines
time will be the same
+-10% I guess
im running axis at 29 inch/min
very slow ...
80 to 120 is better ... try settting it highere
I want a fast machine, no compromise
already tried ..
what you seen its just an experiment
my stepper machien went to 600 ipm
just for fun and for learn something about emc
how much you payed your steppers ?
what in Euro ? :(
I payed 2o E. 3 steppers..
total cost of my machine is around E. 100
but the performance is not as good huh?
depend on what you consider
[23:43:21] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/photos/lab/img010.jpeg
performance are there
but .. remember the time it take ..
Ok, time to go and configure a fax server ...
nice work on your engravings - what do you use for software?