hell, even a 29-yo N.T. would be OK
ie, not toothless
nah 29yo too close to wanting kids, biological clock and all that
did that. married a 28 yo (I think) when I was 50
I was so tired...
I married a 32-y.o when I was 29 - does that count?
see ya alex
yup.. have fun
but not too much ;)
the economy sure is good now...turning down work
hope it stays that way
billing at 100 per too..and getting it
remember your favorite Vermont-based PCB and software house :)
I've been at 75 for 5 years, 100 for some clients
I was thinking it was time to increase to 100
people don't seem to take you seriously if you charge too little
I think it's about time to give yourself a raise
100 really is the going rate
yep - I'll charge you 100 ;)
wait a minute here...
and 1000/day is the going rate for plant trips
yep - I do hat already, and half rate for travel or "down" days
sounds like a lot but remember the money isn't worth anything
takes a whellbarrow full just to buy groceries
I read an interesting treatise on how the Federal Reserve system works
I have read a little
they mentioned that in real terms (ie, a gold standard), the price of things hasn't changed much since Roman times
an ounce of gold would buy you a reasonably nice suit in ancient rome, and about the same in a reasonably good mall or mens store now
well yeah. A growth economy requires inflation as money is created from loaning
but neat about the gold thing
yep, but the amount of "stuff" remains nearly constant, so the larger money supply makes stuff cost more
the only thing is...gold mining is prob 1000% more productive now
[00:09:35] <SWPadnos> http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Misc_Studies/ms060.htm
it's long, but interesting
must be taken with a grain of salt, but largely factual (not "interpretation")
where's my new phone dmanit, they said they would ship it today!
they're trying to fax it over
It'll be nice to upgrade the phones here.
My stuff for the rest of the cnc rewire came today
but I did not work
les_w well get your ass to wiring!
I was cloudless, no wind, and 70 degrees...a record or near record
so I played golf.
oh, play instead of wrok... good man!
heh - in the 40s here, so we're all outside too :)
so 31 at 6 am, 70 at 2 pm
40F - this is Vermont
your outside in the 40's, fuck me
40 is not bad for jan
without even a sweater
well - with a sweater if I want to be out for long
[00:14:25] <SWPadnos> http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KVTESSEX1
this is pretty close to my house
it can get cold down here...below zero once in a while
oops - this one is near my house:
[00:15:03] <SWPadnos> http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KVTESSEX2
man, LTO and AIT-3 tape drives are expensive
here's the vinyard across the street....
[00:17:09] <les_w> http://www.griffin.uga.edu/aemn/cgi-bin/AEMN.pl?site=GATG&report=gt
notice the huge diurnal temp change
big tit there :)
look at the solar radiation tit
no nipple on that one
got to 570 w?m^2
not bad for january
that's not bad
super clear air
isn't the worldwide average ~1KW?
wee get to about 950 in june
(or 2KW outside the atmosphere)
brb - dinner
yeah I would say 1000 at surface is average
that has got to be a record...70 degrees with a dewpoint of 12.....that would beat most deserts
what is the name of those things that req no pilots license... aero lites?
good way to get killed...
they sounds great!
to be safe it takes a lot of training I think
still would be fun
you go camping, unpack it take off and enjoy the scenery
I'm not even trained enough to be really safe...and I have thousands of takeoffs and landings
survived engine failure once.
well fly is way fun...of course
awesome for photography too
once you get over the "doesn't work like a car" bit it feels like you just have wings. You forget all about the airplane
"What, you just hit the brakes and step out." Whats the big deal?
little things like this:
on a takeoff or landing run turn the wheel clockwise...and you go....
like a motorcycle
well the controls king of reverse at about 60 knots on light aircraft
it's called flying on the backside
pull on yoke...go down
at higher speeds the opposite thing happens
a big bunch of the training is getting used to that
after a while you forget about it and think differently
just like all thigns I'd suspect
pitch is airspeed. power is climb
So, gimme the keys to the plane and the avgas card
avgas is really high right now
"We dont need no stinking flightplan!"
after learning the basics you find out something....
there is nothing to do
you just sit there really
often pilots fall asleep
that's what "Cruise Control" is for... so you can go to the back of the motorhome and make a sandwich
[00:51:29] <Jymmm> http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp
so it's kind of weird...you just sit there like a bump on a log...but any second you could hit turbulence and have stuff stick to the ceiling
one of the 3 cars on my short list has radar controlled cruise
it tracks the car in front of you
but just for speed
jsut for speed though
it locks into a certain numer of carlengths distance
ah, 2 second rule
that is the infiniti q45
I need to buy a car as soon as possible...but since I am doing the CPO thing I have to wait for the right one to come along
I monitor them every morning
...for the last 10 years
the CPO looks good. Car off lease, but a full new car warranty starts when you buy it.
and about half price.
I always bought new cars but this looks better
Lokks new, drives like new, new car warranty. Half price. Works for me.
so the first Lexus Gs 300/420, Infiniti q45, or audi A6 with the right colors and stuff within 150 miles....
I'll grab it.
graphite or dark blue outside....tan inside.
My whitewash for filling in the carved didn't turn out too well =(
Yeah, deep color in the deep creavices, but faded near the surface
try a couple coats
I spray it
dry, then sand off?
also. put some on...let it half dry and get sticky...then put more on....holds the stuff to the sides...works best with sprayinh
buy one of this spray can things with the glass bottle
forgot the name
sprayit or something
the slathering bit with a rag is only done on raised letter stuff
so the whole panel is coated
after carving it's only on the letters
for v carving spray is best
but can be done with a foam brush with care
couple coats if brush
well, off to the music room for a bit
axis 1.1.1rc4 released: http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/downloads/01137117659
* Jymmm waits till emc2 is released
tired up upgrading every 30 seconds
rc4 is going to be the only release of the evening, I promise.
thanks jepler for keeping up with everything
cradek: no problem
but if you'll excuse me, I have to feed this cat so she'll leave me alone..
jepler NA, it's not axis releases, but EMC ones
has there been an emc release? ;)
Once since Paul did all those in two weeks time.
ah - the BDI 4.38 release
that's BDI, not emc(1) or emc2
So there's three now?! eeesh
so whats different from emc1 and bdi ?
lots of code reorganization, libnml instead of rcslib ...
builds on kernel 2.6
But all 3 are based upon debian, not RH?
emc(1) and emc2 are source releases, and aren't dependent on a specific distribution
the BDI is currently debian-based
* Jymmm likes debian
older ones were RH and morphix, I think
RH is icky
I'm using Ubuntu onn my "big rig", and may try a Gentoo install as well, since Winblows won't even install on that machine
(on a spare hard drive even)
and then two different real time kernels as well, no?
rtlinux and soemthign else?
BDI 4.xx use RTAI only, I think - no RTLINUX
ADEOS / RTAI
Yeah, I jsut can'tt keep up with it all.
* djb_rh takes offense at the "icky" comment!
no problem - you have other things to think about
djb_rh goony goo goo
like - if I tell you some restaurant names, can you tell me if they're any good? :)
SWPadnos Name and location?
(in San Jose)
you've got RH founders hanging around here
don't make me hurt you!
djd say what?
* jepler <-- fedora user, debian user
I like 'em both
19 Market, Vietnamese (400 South first street)
SWPadnos Did you need a list of places or have soem already in mind?
Jymmm: I was the first tech employee hired by the two guys who started it
they often refer to the three of us and the other two early hires as the founders
I have a list of some places near the convention center, I'd just like to see if they suck or not
I went to work every day to an apartment for the first six months
SWPadnos: I dont do downtown SJ, except Original Joes, nice, food is good, lil pricey.
Marc moved out and three of us took it over with computers until we got thrown out
SWPadnos: I like hole-in-the-walls personally.
can you eat at each of these places in the next couple of months, and let me know how they are? ;)
SWPadnos: Sure, Insert credit card here --> [ ]
I didn't get started with redhat until 3.0.3, pretty late to the party I guess. (before that I was a big fan of MCC, since it was a lite distribution .. 3 or 4 floppies, compared to that monster SLS)
1234 5678 9012 3456 exp 00/99
I'm sure I'll get used to BDI, but I would prefer it to be RH based
SWPadnos Invalid sequence
djb_rh, you should have the knowledge to make an RH-based emc distro (hint hint)
jepler: that's pretty damned early...did you ever use the "redneck" install translation in later versions?
SWPadnos: oh, I'm quite certain that I do
djb_rh: No, but I remember reading about it
I've built more packages than most people have ever friggin used. :)
djb_rh: I would be very excited to see a realtime kernel packaged for fedora. *hint hint*
or installed, even ;)
you ain't getting it from me
Told ya RH sucks =)
you mean I wasted my time typing *hint hint*?
not any time soon, anyway
next time you're bored, maybe
shit, I hate that fucking kernel package
come on, tell us how you really feel
I don't much care for how it evolved
I don't blame you; I looked at it once, and my eyes scabbed over
the spec file uses macros that didn't even exist when I left RH
jepler: Go ahead, you can blame him
I much prefer hardware hacking to software
djb_rh Anythign specific?
well, learning to machine so I can build race car parts
that specific enough?
that's the current thing, anyway
djb_rh oh, that, nm.
you know - it's really annoying when you test and test and test memory, and it never works. but then, when you systematically go through all the BIOS tweaks, you test and test and test, and it never fails.
SWPadnos you using memtest?
I spend most of my time driving race cars, though
or playing with my kids
djd still nm.
djd when you get to hackign with an electron microscope, drop me a note.
djb_rh: I only hope you can live up to Jymmm's high standards. Clearly he sets the bar around here.
old cheerios taste like shit, I've decided
(in case anyone is wondering)
I didn't know they ever didn't not taste unlike shit when new either
honey nut cheerios are quite good when fresh
in cold milk
but plain? shit.
I like them, unless they're supposed to have been eaten 15 months ago
yep - that's what I just had
jepler: Na, I just want free satellite
unfortunately, this batch of HNC expired in Oct 04
oh well - back in the back of the cabinet they go ;)
has anyone here done much CPU benchmarking (comparing A64 / Opteron / Athlon XP, etc)?
* Jymmm has never done AMD
jymmm is a bonehead
SWPadnos: I have nfc which is which, they need a better naming convention to be comparable to intel folks
the last Intel CPU I bought (when I had a choice) was a 486DX/25 (overclocked to 33 - w00t!)
I did have to get a couple of Intel based laptops over the years, but that's not necessary any more
like Pentium/A ?
I like the Pentium M cpu's....2M L2 Cache on them
how would you know that unless you studied the Intel chip types?
I know intel, I dont know AMD. (is there an echo in here)
ie, you studied one language, and expect AMD to conform to that language, rather than you learning AMD's language as well
so - you're a bonehead ;)
SWPadnos: I'd love to see some good benchmarks for the various high-end systems used as compile servers with distccd. I have a feeling that my emplyer's 3 year old dual xeon would look slow by now...
I'm just noticing that a relatively high end Opteron isn't "shockingly" faster than an Athlon XP
SWPadnos: aren't the cache sizes different? I haven't really looked at the details.
depends on the workload
yes, the Opteron has 1M per core
anyway, at the high end you double the price and get a 5% performance increase .. or worse
A64FX as well, but A64 is only 512k, I believe
Shit, I want 8M L2 Cache
raw memory performance (as reported by memtest) is 2.3x as fast on the Opteron (dual Opteron)
my last personal machine is sempron 64, but it feels plenty fast
cache transfer speed is only 144%, L2 is 117%
oh - the L1 caches are the same size on both chips - 128k
I definitely see a performance improvement on the dual Opteron
a full kernel compile (2.6.12 or so) takes around 15 minutes
I missed an HP 16500A for $25 on eBay
with all the modules that are selected by default on Ubuntu
that's a scope mainframe?
or logic analyzer?
or logic analyzer
it can be both
at the same time, even
right - bummer (if it works)
cheapest BIN right now is $160
any modules in it?
all the modules I'd need can be had for under $300, though
that can be a pain, unless there a re a bunch of those on eBay as well
yeah, they're there
pretty regularly, anyway
don't know about right *now*
sucky part is all the decently priced ones now are also on the west coast
that thing is heavy
I've already got a Tek LA
so I probably don't *need* it
I just bought one of these:
[05:33:30] <SWPadnos> http://www.home.agilent.com/USeng/nav/-536897605.536905493/pd.html?cmpid=90419
one of these days I'm gonna switch to an IRC client that doesn't split URLs
I'll sell you a 54622D :)
yes, roughly 15 thousand of them
SWPadnos how much was the scope?
how much for the 54622D?
too much for me
I'm sure it's worth it
I just don't need something that capable
heh - I know it's a bit steep
but I need to pay for the new one, you see ;)
heh.. i'm happy with my little $1k tektronix DSO
what no 99% discount (today only)
ahoy djb :)
it's actually a good deal for that model, but it is a pretty high end (though not quite fast enough) scope
well, it's been fun, but I gotta work out in the morning
cya djb :)
jepler - is there a compilation task that I could run on the Opteron that would give you an idea of its relative speed?
(like vim or something ;) )
SWPadnos: tough question, since we probably have a very different gcc version on the different machines
(the current xeon is redhat9 with locally built gcc 3.3 I think)
yep - older usually is faster in that regard
I think I have 3.3 or 3.4 on that machine (booting - I'll check in a sec)
SWPadnos: and since we rely heavily on distcc, the load is probably quite different from a machine that is building locally only
does distcc do any caching?
(mostly running cpp and network activity, I think)
what kind of interconnect do you use?
no, ccache does caching, but we don't use it
100 megabit ethernet to a switch, nothing too beefy. In fact, there's some evidence that the network bandwidth is limiting performance
(we use the 'lzo' option of distcc to compress data to/from the remote machines)
maybe, maybe not - that's enough bandwidth to transfer all of emc2 every second
(I think the checkout I just did was 9M)
with a dozen machines asking for header files, it could be a bottleneck though
I think a typical preprocessed file is well over 1M, we have a lot of headers that are included indiscriminately
(though those should be locally cached anyway)
oh - distcc does the cpp stage on a "server"?
distcc transmits preprocessed source over the network, so there's no opportunity for the remote machine to cache anything
on the other hand, it means you don't have to cross your fingers that nfs is working right today
(in fact, the machines don't even have to share a filesystem at all)
that sounds like the bottleneck to me - how many clients per server (and how many servers)?
one server for the office, around a dozen clients
one distcc server? (just to be sure we're talking about the same thing)
shared with other iffice traffic?
yeah, it's just on the LAN, nothing special (the clients are just developers' desktops)
all compiles get run on the dual xeon server, which parcels the work out with distcc
ok - I have gcc 4.0.2 on the Opteron
is that machine also a "general" server (files, print, database, etc)?
files, yes. we don't do much print or database.
I also have gcc 3.4 there, so it would be possible to do relatively similar testing
sure, pick a version of vim, I'l benchmark the same one on this dual opteron later
I can say that compiling emc2 on a BDI install running under VMWare takes about a minute and a half
that'll tell me .. something
I can boot puppy on qemu before I get bored
that's one CPU also
er, on this dual xeon
I don't have a dual opteron, or access to one
I figured you meant that ;)
I just downloaded the big vim6.3 archive
I've got it compiling now. I'll do a make -j4 next
ok, real time 1 minute, 12.147 seconds
make -j4 took 40.391 seconds (after a make clean)
what CPUs are in this machine?
er, one CPU?
dual Opteron 244
next week when I'm back in the office I'll see how my machine does by comparison
single core, not the latest "troy" stepping with the 1GHz HT
thanks for the information
also, far fromthe fastest Opterons out there, by about 1 GHz (and one core :) )
"my" machine is dual xeon 2.8GHz, hyperthreading (4 threads total)
ok - I'd be interested to see what -jn level is teh best on that machine
it's bedtime in my timezone. see you later.
usually, double the CPU count is about right (I think)
damn - that happens every day
SWPadnos for the rest of your unnatural live!
live long and prosper
Eat shit and die =)
wait... wrong movie
I'd write it out, but I can't spell it - just think "Die Hard" :)
Yippi Ky Ay Mother Fucker
yeah -that (however it's supposed to be spelled0
Say G'Night Gracy
damn - this friggin memory won't fail any more
could be, but it's been pretty warm the last couple of days
they've been reseated numerous times
let the test run all night
I have only one module in the machine now, but this one and the other both failed singly as well as together
I've been letting it go around an hour each time - roughly 2.5 full test runs
Then let it run all nite...
the real pisser is that the memory is DDR400, and the machine is only DDR333, so it should be able to keep up
are the slots in a tight spot?
and it's 2-5-2-2-1T at DDR400
two are, but I've tried the modules in all slots (I suspected the MB)
oh, your tweeking your bios settings too?
yes - just trying to get it to work (or fail in this case)
as current as this Abit AT-7 can get
AT7 Max, actually
Did it fail BEFORE you tweaked the bios?
remember that - the first "legacy free" motherboard, no PS/2 connectors, just a dozen USB
I had replaced the CPU and RAM (because my wife's machine died, and she needed it)
and it had been fine before that
so this is new memoery for the mobo?
it's a 2-3 year old KT-333A motherboard, but it has everything (except for PCIe)
brand new, along with a new CPU
did you buy the memory online or a local store?
well, if you just SUSPECT the memory, get them to replace it
I can definitely RMA it if necessary, but I can't test in any other machine at the moment
I'd rather replace the MB if necessary, so I want to test more
A new MB is $60-$150, so it's not that big a deal, as long as the memory is compatible
If it worked fine with the old memory, it's either a seating issue, or a bad module. Either way get it repalced befor ethe rma period expires
I like the CPU - I used a mobile one, so it only uses 30 watts or so
sorry - the old memory was put into my wife's machine, I got hers (and her CPU), because I didn't have time to see what was the problem
I then replaced both CPU and memory
so the MB had worked before, but the mem and CPU are new, purchased at the same time
Still, it worked bofore the brand new stuff... I'd get it replaced. Not worth the hassel of semi faulty ram
the RMA period is lifetime warrantee, so I'm covered there
the CPU RMA period has already expired, I think (had to get an OEM CPU)
Well, maybe you need to return it for a new mobo you want to get.
heh - I'd still need memory ;)
right,but maybe different specs
SWPadnos: Just fyi, I got goos service from these folks --> http://www.oempcworld.com/mmatrix.htm
they even buyback old memoery (but you could probably get better for it on ebay)
eeeeeewwwww - cas3
They're local to me, so I can walk in the door to pick up an order.
that's a plus
The owner is knowledable too.
I'd probably be bankrupt if there were a Fry's or MicroCenter near me
oh hang on....
SWPadnos: Somethign for you to foam at the mouth on then ---> http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com/
I just noticed that he doesn't have ALL the items that are on sale listed. But usually he does.
I don't even know where the closest Fry's is
is there one in Boston?
Ill Ga and Indiana
well - I can visit the one near Houston in a month, but that's the closest I'll be for a while
and you can see the ads before you walk in the door. But be sure to check the ads before shopping. Usually they have them hung up near the front door
The "main" ad is Friday to Mon|Tues, another one Wed to Thru.
I'll try to convince my wife that going there is a good idea :)
SWPadnos If you buy, only pay woth a CC, no cash or check.
I generally do - but why?
no ATM either
Theire return policys
Plus if they give you any shit, you can call your CC company as well
Fry's in the place you love to hate.
You have to know the game
I nearly got a gigabit hub for my sister there, but it was just a little too expensive for her
I bought a MP# player for my gf for xmas
I was told by two ppl that the return for christmas gifts was 15 days after xmas (Jan 9th)
I returne dthe mp3 player on Jan 9th, they said Jan 5th
Well, I said they person got an ipod and I was told by two ppl 15 days after, they finally gave my money back.
But you have to know the game
I usually take names - that scares them when you come back
They get all kinds in there, so they hear everything.... begging or getting pissed off will NOT get you anywhere.
SWPadnos Fuck no.... dont work casue they have so many come thru the door it doens't matter.
You have to realize that Fry's probably does $50K in returns a day
usually, if you say "billy told me last Tuesday ..."m they realize that you have your shit together
Just imagien the sales per day
Nah, it's Fry's
You just have to play the game is all
my sister actually returned her hot chocolate at the cafe :)
See that's why ppl hate fry's... your thinking is what others think too. but they just dont care.
(the milk was bad, but strangely she didn't notice until she was almost done :) )
Sure, why though, cold? icky?
makes it taste bad
Well any food place will comp a bad meal
I love this BIOS Setting "Enhance For Benchmark" (enabve / disable)
odd - with 2 DIMMS, the transfer rate is lower
with identical settings
(not a dual-channel board, but I'd expect the same rate)
Been an admin too long to actualyl care anymore. I just buy a faster box
if it's stable, I'm happy
I'm going for stability here :)
this box is 6+ years old
I don't generally overclock
I'm using a 5-yo box for day-to-day work as well
though I have upgraded the memory, replaced the hard drive (had an IBM DeathStar), and replaced the video card
actually - I'm off to bed
this stupid thing is working at the fastest settings now (with both modules installed)
so now I'll let it run overnight
see you later
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