#emc | Logs for 2005-12-30

[00:14:19] <wb9mjn> Hi All....looking at the telescope links...
[00:14:42] <alex_joni_> hi wb9mjn
[00:14:44] <dmess> you into tscopes
[00:14:44] <wb9mjn> Really not practical here in Chicagoland....although up where Ray lives there is really good seeing...
[00:15:12] <wb9mjn> Best seeing I ve ever seen is northern AZ though,,,its at 6K feet and very dry ...
[00:15:29] <dmess> im north of there and need to go norther to my native town for good viewing
[00:16:14] <wb9mjn> On the CNC side of things, I did a design to help improve the Z axis of the machine...to integrate in the high resolution encoders, and convert to 3:1 drive...still have to do the belt
[00:16:18] <wb9mjn> selection though...
[00:16:46] <wb9mjn> The 90 tooth stock is like $90 a piece though !
[00:17:09] <dmess> not bad for a good timing belt
[00:17:34] <wb9mjn> That is the pulley stock....its toothed rod that you make into a pulley...
[00:18:03] <wb9mjn> On the Y drive here I made a custom pulley with a 10 mm extension shaft that goes into the encoder...
[00:18:32] <wb9mjn> That stock was only about $30....but it was 30 tooth...I guess they cost it by the number of teeth !
[00:18:45] <dmess> flex / coupler??
[00:18:55] <wb9mjn> The Y drive is 1:1...30 tooth on the motor too...
[00:19:08] <wb9mjn> The encoder has a flex mount....so no coupler needed...
[00:19:28] <dmess> ok
[00:19:41] <wb9mjn> Works out well...On the X I just made a shaft extension, precision turned and bored, and just glued it on the screw end...
[00:19:51] <wb9mjn> Then just mounted the encoder down over...
[00:20:01] <wb9mjn> securing it to the table flange...
[00:20:35] <wb9mjn> On the Y, I used parts from the original machine, and made the custom pulley with the extension...
[00:20:37] <dmess> how big a machine??? glued dont sound so good
[00:21:03] <wb9mjn> The belt is down in a slot in the original bracket, and the encoder mounted on top...
[00:21:33] <wb9mjn> The glued on shaft is only runing the encoder...far end of the screw from the direct drive...
[00:21:50] <wb9mjn> Its a benchtop class machine...
[00:22:26] <wb9mjn> The X Y Z is 7.6 by 6.1 by 8 ...
[00:22:30] <dmess> : )
[00:22:45] <wb9mjn> Cast Iron square column with dovetails...
[00:22:56] <dmess> shouldnt be a problem
[00:23:18] <wb9mjn> On the Z, I had a cheap encoder on the motor which hung off the side by a bracket...
[00:23:41] <wb9mjn> But the motor is overheating....So I need to increase the ratio and can accomadate 3:1 ...
[00:23:47] <wb9mjn> Its 2:1 now...
[00:24:10] <wb9mjn> Also will run fans on it, and hopefully some counterbalancing on the milling head...
[00:24:43] <wb9mjn> Hopefully all three will solve the problem...but this time around the better encoder needs to get integrated in, too...
[00:24:44] <dmess> counterbalancing will help
[00:25:21] <wb9mjn> The X and Y have these 5K (20K quad) encoders, and they will settle down within .0001 typically...
[00:25:48] <wb9mjn> The Z just has a 256 (1024 quad) on a 2:1, so in effect is 512 (2048 quad) ...
[00:25:53] <alex_joni_> oh man, film SLR's are sooo cheap
[00:26:23] <robin_sz> indeed
[00:26:25] <dmess> they are so alex
[00:26:26] <alex_joni_> look at this: http://cgi.ebay.de/Revue-Flex-SC-1-mit-viel-Zubehoer_W0QQitemZ7575101286QQcategoryZ23940QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[00:26:28] <wb9mjn> Yea, now we need somebody to come up with a Film canistor style CCD mod !
[00:26:47] <wb9mjn> I am really supprised that has not happened yet...
[00:26:50] <alex_joni_> hi robin_sz, didn't notice you getting aboard :)
[00:26:51] <robin_sz> alex_joni_: you can usually find them bundled with 8" floppy drives and dot-matrix printers
[00:27:17] <alex_joni_> the difference is that these are worth A LOT more than their money
[00:27:24] <robin_sz> ummm
[00:27:24] <alex_joni_> opposed to 8" floppies & co
[00:27:50] <robin_sz> to collectors I guess ...
[00:28:04] <alex_joni_> they still take nice pictures
[00:28:11] <alex_joni_> better than most digitals today
[00:28:15] <alex_joni_> a bit more expensive though
[00:28:17] <robin_sz> and people interested in "How Things Were in The Olden Days"
[00:28:21] <dmess> very nice pictures
[00:28:41] <robin_sz> steam engines are a pleasant way to get around too ;)
[00:28:48] <wb9mjn> But if you had a film canister and film plate shaped CCD that you could drop in the back. and have wireless link to the outside...All those old cameras with their excellent optics would
[00:29:03] <wb9mjn> be the best affordable cameras...
[00:29:17] <dmess> yes.. lets DO IT
[00:29:31] <alex_joni_> 1 x Objektiv
[00:29:32] <alex_joni_> Revuenon Auto 1:2,8 f= 28 mm
[00:29:32] <alex_joni_> 2 x Objektiv
[00:29:32] <alex_joni_> Revuenon Auto 1:1,4 F = 50 mm
[00:29:32] <alex_joni_> 1 x Objektiv
[00:29:32] <alex_joni_> Via Brilant MC 1: 4,5 F = 200 mm
[00:29:43] <alex_joni_> where do you get those lenses for 19 EUR?
[00:30:03] <wb9mjn> The old SLR s have the best F stops, because they needed it to make up for the film...
[00:30:07] <robin_sz> now, large format cameras .. thats a different story ...
[00:30:09] <dmess> you dont... you steal them for that
[00:30:22] <alex_joni_> dmess: http://cgi.ebay.de/REVUE-AC-2-SPIEGELREFLEXKAMERA-Raritaet-TOPGERAT_W0QQitemZ7575615760QQcategoryZ23940QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[00:30:33] <alex_joni_> I have an AC2, and it's GREAT
[00:31:18] <alex_joni_> you even get 3 teleconverters in the same package
[00:31:25] <alex_joni_> did I forget to mention a camera?
[00:31:25] <alex_joni_> :D
[00:32:09] <dmess> too good to be true... ; )
[00:32:11] <wb9mjn> So, got the encoder mounting plate mostly done...the machine is really doing the job on bores, it took out .050 inch wide by .15 inch deep cuts in the plate to make the 1.05 inch hole for
[00:32:26] <alex_joni_> dmess: sh*tloads like that on ebay
[00:32:31] <wb9mjn> the pulley/encoder shaft at F2 ....
[00:33:39] <wb9mjn> Also made the uprights to mount the plate today...about as far as I can go until I get the pulley stock and belt ...
[00:34:51] <wb9mjn> Think what kinda MPEG 4 camera an old SLR would be ?
[00:35:05] <wb9mjn> With all the lens selections...
[00:35:14] <alex_joni_> http://cgi.ebay.de/M-42-M42-M-42-Kpl-Kiste-Revue-Tokina-Hanimex_W0QQitemZ7575419286QQcategoryZ23940QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[00:35:18] <alex_joni_> check this one too..
[00:35:28] <Jymmm> fenn: Tank Ya! Tank Ya! Tank Ya! That worked out perfectly... no stress or strain on the piece.
[00:35:29] <wb9mjn> Almost profesional...
[00:36:14] <alex_joni_> * alex_joni_ looks for adapters :D
[00:36:23] <alex_joni_> wonder if I could fit those lenses to my Canon
[00:36:27] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
[00:36:28] <Jymmm> alex_joni_ BE CAREFUL
[00:36:40] <alex_joni> Jymmm: yup
[00:36:58] <Jymmm> alex_joni: you could go from cheap adapter, to what used to be a camera.
[00:37:18] <alex_joni> heh
[00:37:35] <Jymmm> * Jymmm notes... "Glad Press-n-seal works beautifully for protecting the finish on material"
[00:38:09] <Jymmm> light tac to it. sorta like post-it notes but in plastic sheet form.
[00:39:36] <Jymmm> * Jymmm BP went up as I was cutting the keyhole slot
[00:40:46] <Jymmm> So many things have gone wrong lately, just was ready to chalk up another one.
[00:42:18] <wb9mjn> I ran into the TP problem making my encoder plate...
[00:42:29] <wb9mjn> I MDI'd two edges...
[00:42:58] <wb9mjn> Then made a program to do the other two edges, and swing around the already down ones (the 0 references)...
[00:43:04] <wb9mjn> I did this with a G0...
[00:43:22] <wb9mjn> Welp, it rounded off the 0,0 corner ....hi !....
[00:43:44] <wb9mjn> Should have just G1'd em at a higher rate...
[00:43:59] <wb9mjn> At 240 in/min it put a 1/4 inch radius bend on the corner...
[00:44:18] <alex_joni> G0 is not really intended to do straight lines
[00:44:32] <wb9mjn> Was G1'g at 5, then G0 to get past the already done edges...
[00:44:40] <alex_joni> that's not an issues regarding TP, but how it's defined
[00:45:08] <wb9mjn> I might have had blending on....do not do that stuff at all...and do not look out for it...
[00:45:31] <wb9mjn> Which G code is the blening on/off ?
[00:48:48] <wb9mjn> In MDI, it will complete before starting the next command...
[00:49:05] <wb9mjn> In the program it rounded the corner going at warp speed ...
[00:49:29] <dmess> tp...
[00:50:00] <alex_joni> dmess: nope
[00:50:23] <alex_joni> MDI stacks the commands on the quese
[00:50:33] <wb9mjn> I ll have to look out for that next time...to set the blending off, I guess, so it does commands one at a time...
[00:50:38] <dmess> or was that in program at rapid... G0
[00:50:46] <wb9mjn> It was at G0 ...
[00:50:54] <alex_joni> and the rounding was because of G0
[00:50:54] <alex_joni> blending is somewhere around G4x iirc, check it out on the wiki
[00:51:00] <wb9mjn> Ok...
[00:51:09] <alex_joni> Jymmm: what could be wrong with something like this: http://cgi.ebay.ie/New-Olympus-OM-lens-adapter-to-Canon-EOS-EF-1D-5D-350D_W0QQitemZ7574802211QQcategoryZ30059QQcmdZViewItem ?
[00:51:24] <wb9mjn> It apparently was trying to keep up at 240 in / min around the corner...
[00:51:25] <dmess> no blending occuring... at G0
[00:51:45] <dmess> just the best hockey stick effect
[00:52:01] <wb9mjn> Why would it do that then ?
[00:52:56] <alex_joni> G= means each axis should move the fastest it can to reach the end point
[00:53:08] <dmess> do what... what its told??
[00:53:28] <Jymmm> alex_joni: I really can't tell from the pic, looks a lil thin to support glass, says it's bronze. could be ok I guess.
[00:53:54] <dmess> alex... it looks good to me...
[00:54:00] <Jymmm> alex_joni looke like a riveted pin there, dont know how secure that is.
[00:54:11] <wb9mjn> Why didn't go X0, then Y 3.8, instead it put an arc at X=0,Y=0 ...
[00:54:19] <alex_joni> I won't buy one tonight.. :)
[00:54:23] <alex_joni> but it's a nice idea..
[00:54:24] <Jymmm> I'd hate to have it break off IN the lens - ouch!
[00:54:36] <wb9mjn> It was give G1 command, then G0 X0, then Y3.8 ...
[00:54:48] <wb9mjn> It started at Y=0 ...
[00:55:01] <dmess> no G0 in the part kids
[00:55:01] <Jymmm> alex_joni instead of china special, get some reviews of adapters and what ppl like.
[00:55:02] <wb9mjn> It started at X=3.8, Y=0 ...
[00:55:25] <wb9mjn> When it rounded the X=0,Y=0 corner, it put in a 1/4 inch radius...
[00:55:52] <alex_joni> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sigma-55-200mm-DC-Lens-for-Canon-EOS-Digital-SLR_W0QQitemZ7574948014QQcategoryZ4687QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
[00:56:01] <dmess> did you use cutter compensation anywhere??
[00:56:08] <wb9mjn> Rather than decelerate to 0 at X=0,Y=0, before doing the Y=3.8 ...
[00:56:11] <alex_joni> that's a nice lens too
[00:56:15] <wb9mjn> Nope, no cutter comp...
[00:57:13] <dmess> try this... add another line to a clear pt.. see if still rounds it off or rounds off the next corner
[00:59:01] <dmess> if the clear pt is in line you wont notice it....make it at 90 degrees to the last line direction
[01:00:18] <wb9mjn> Got another question...When you use the point and click to set the relative coordinates...how do you know what the machine will run to when you do G commands in MDI ?
[01:00:55] <wb9mjn> Sometimes it would revert to machine reference, even though the screen was still selected to the relative reference ....
[01:01:34] <wb9mjn> So, a G0 Z0 would move the Z back to full up, rather than just above the work...
[01:02:18] <dmess> or dive into the table if you use positive tool offsets
[01:02:49] <alex_joni> too much worrying about lenses, and my fire went out :(
[01:02:52] <wb9mjn> I found that doing FILE - reset would put it back into the relative mode...but even then switching to machine coordinate system, the commands still acted as if the relative coordinate
[01:02:56] <wb9mjn> system was in effect...
[01:03:01] <dmess> and the guage line z0 is set to table surface
[01:03:24] <wb9mjn> I have the machine coordinates set so that the home is at full up Z ...
[01:04:00] <wb9mjn> This time I ran it down to the top of the work and used the point and click to set that to Z relative at 0 ..
[01:04:22] <wb9mjn> When I did program verfy, the M2 apparently canceled the relative...
[01:04:29] <wb9mjn> verify ...
[01:04:36] <dmess> z rel zero SHOULDNT set any coordinate system
[01:05:20] <dmess> if you used a g92 z 0 then yes... it wouldnt change...
[01:05:45] <dmess> rel is just a digital readout so to speak
[01:06:54] <wb9mjn> The MDI and Auto commands will work off the Relative coordinates set with the point and click...
[01:07:13] <wb9mjn> Makes it easier to not have to mess around with G54/59 ...
[01:07:49] <wb9mjn> Just have to figure out how to switch between relative and machine coordinates though...
[01:08:52] <dmess> some times... it works... i guess you arent scrapping 70,000 - 100,000 dollars worth of material when it just didnt work right
[01:09:02] <wb9mjn> No...
[01:09:08] <wb9mjn> Not in that league here...
[01:09:18] <dmess> i could...
[01:09:36] <dmess> have... and will again...
[01:09:49] <wb9mjn> Well, G54 / 59 makes sence for a production program...
[01:10:01] <wb9mjn> But, for a one-off tooling job ?
[01:10:31] <dmess> g54 is modal at start up... set it and forget it... get some good habits started NOW
[01:11:08] <dmess> ive been in tooling shops for 15 yrs... 1 off prototype... HAS to be right
[01:11:42] <dmess> i made a pair of 10,000 dollar hockey skates
[01:11:44] <wb9mjn> The older EMC TCL/TK was really screwed up on the relative stuff, so it was hopeless....RC-46 though it appears to work, except my competency is not there yet...
[01:14:05] <wb9mjn> Well, yea.....but when you just need a plate with 4 holes and big hole in the middle, one would like to do that fast...
[01:14:57] <wb9mjn> I imagine that is why the relative feature is in the TCL/TK gui ?
[01:17:33] <dmess> how hard is it to set g54... then g0g54x0y0
[01:18:24] <wb9mjn> not hard, and before this version of EMC I would set the machine at the G54 system, and then set the work system at G59.3 ...
[01:18:56] <dmess> and it was all good??
[01:19:17] <wb9mjn> I have this issue with G54/59 too...but one can see what its set at ont he bottom of the screen...
[01:19:58] <wb9mjn> The M2 resets to G54 after execution...so back into MDI then set the G59.3 ....
[01:20:10] <wb9mjn> back into auto and run....
[01:20:23] <dmess> i do what works.. untill someone can convince me otherwise...
[01:21:11] <wb9mjn> Should be able to do the same thing with the relative coordinates, but do not know what the magic indicator is to tell you what system is actually in use ...as the numbers on the
[01:21:16] <wb9mjn> screen do not...
[01:22:45] <dmess> brb
[01:22:51] <wb9mjn> ...
[02:02:00] <Dmess2> hey tyler
[02:02:35] <dmess> hi dad
[02:02:40] <alex_joni> night all
[02:02:56] <Dmess2> stop harrassing your sister...
[02:03:10] <dmess> im not and how could u tell
[02:03:32] <Dmess2> lil' birds told me
[02:03:39] <dmess> lol
[02:04:13] <Dmess2> and dont mess with my baby penguin...
[02:04:21] <dmess> ok
[02:04:24] <dmess> lol
[02:04:49] <dmess> wich box r u on
[02:05:39] <dmess> dad
[02:07:17] <Dmess2> zues
[02:07:34] <dmess> he has linex
[02:07:45] <Dmess2> no
[02:07:58] <Dmess2> hi to ty
[02:08:06] <dmess> hi
[02:09:18] <dmess> what
[02:09:27] <dmess> i cant hear u
[02:09:47] <dmess> hi dad
[02:11:02] <Dmess2> sorry guys fammily chat moved to #messier
[02:13:26] <Dmess2> did it work
[02:14:05] <Dmess2> tyler jacob anwrew messier did it work
[02:19:21] <Dmess2> hi
[02:36:18] <Jymmm> wth?
[02:45:58] <Jymmm> hi les_w
[02:46:08] <les_w> hi jymmm
[02:46:23] <les_w> I was just on to check for meteor showers
[02:46:30] <les_w> see a lot of them tonight
[02:46:40] <les_w> about 50-100 per hour
[02:46:56] <Jymmm> ah cool... dont forget to wish upon a falling star, or 50 of them =)
[02:46:59] <djb_rh> just don't get hit by one
[02:47:03] <les_w> haha
[02:47:10] <djb_rh> like that Toyota commercial
[02:47:15] <djb_rh> which I think is pretty funny, really
[02:47:23] <les_w> well the funny thing is that there are no major showers at this time
[02:47:29] <les_w> freak thing I guess
[02:47:41] <Jymmm> les_w Man if it's THAT clear, I'd be outside your place till 5am
[02:48:05] <les_w> mountain skies away from cities are super clear yeah
[02:48:17] <Jymmm> even at the observatory here, it's too bright to see anything.
[02:48:41] <les_w> well, I am 100 miles from a city of any size
[02:48:57] <djb_rh> hey, so I'm a machining newbie still...what do you call those right angle pieces that you might just clamp to your mill bed and then you can clamp other stuff to?
[02:48:59] <Jymmm> lucky you, I'm in a city of a population of 1,000,000
[02:49:18] <Jymmm> 123 blocks?
[02:49:33] <jtr_away> or angle plates?
[02:49:36] <djb_rh> no, those are just blocks...I'm talking about larger than that but more like a big L bracket than a block
[02:49:44] <les_w> djb...hmmm bed vices?
[02:49:47] <djb_rh> but with slots, usually
[02:49:48] <les_w> I have seen them
[02:50:18] <robin_sz> * robin_sz ponders what will happen to computer clocks this new year
[02:50:42] <les_w> hi robin why?
[02:50:51] <robin_sz> theres a leap-second
[02:50:53] <les_w> earth slowing down somwe more?
[02:50:57] <les_w> ah
[02:51:39] <les_w> I keep my cheap citizen wristwatch to one second of NIST time
[02:51:56] <les_w> computer clock is as usual all over the place
[02:52:06] <robin_sz> wonder if my ntp sync;d machines will actually add that or just throw a slight pahse eror for a minute or so while they catch up
[02:52:16] <robin_sz> windows?
[02:52:31] <les_w> not sure
[02:52:45] <robin_sz> on linux/unix just run ntp
[02:52:54] <les_w> oh
[02:52:57] <SWP_Away> anything that uses a software timer without doing periodic updates will skew
[02:53:03] <les_w> yeah
[02:53:05] <SWP_Away> on Windows, use CyberKit (or Tardis)
[02:53:06] <robin_sz> syncs to a NIST source and keeps it bound tight
[02:53:31] <les_w> Yeakh I need something like that
[02:53:43] <robin_sz> nah, on windows just use a Debian installer disk ;)
[02:53:46] <SWP_Away> I'm not sure if CyberKit is still being developed - if it is, grab a copy
[02:53:47] <les_w> funny wristwatch is good to a few seconds a month
[02:54:01] <SWP_Away> 1ppm crystals :)
[02:54:06] <les_w> yup
[02:54:13] <les_w> temp compensated
[02:54:15] <les_w> must be
[02:54:24] <SWP_Away> close to 98.6 most of the time
[02:54:28] <robin_sz> once you get ntp running, you can query it to see how well in synch it thinks it os .. usually within +-10 milliseconds
[02:54:42] <SWP_Away> same with CyberKit or Tardis
[02:54:48] <robin_sz> right
[02:54:50] <SWP_Away> CyberKit is a good all-around TCP/IP toolkit
[02:55:03] <Jymmm> les_w: top right corner http://tf.nist.gov/service/its.htm
[02:55:09] <SWP_Away> ping / nslookup, traceroute / time / scans
[02:56:03] <les_w> Not with me SWP. I am skinny. I have rented expensive Hughes thermal cameras and was shocked to fing my extremity surface temp to oftwen be only a few degrees above ambient
[02:56:13] <SWP_Away> heh
[02:56:25] <les_w> hands typically only 70f
[02:56:27] <SWP_Away> the 32.768KHz crystals are pretty accurate by default
[02:56:31] <les_w> feet colder
[02:56:41] <SWP_Away> me too, at least in winter (in the basement)
[02:56:43] <robin_sz> its fscking cold here today ...
[02:56:46] <robin_sz> some snow
[02:56:56] <SWP_Away> ooooh - snow in England - how idd ;)
[02:56:58] <les_w> about freezing here
[02:57:00] <SWP_Away> odd
[02:57:12] <Jymmm> les_w: I've used this before --> http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/index.htm
[02:57:19] <les_w> swp I remember a foot of snow in London
[02:57:34] <les_w> just happened to be there
[02:57:46] <robin_sz> its apparently 8.39 degrees in my factory :)
[02:58:08] <SWP_Away> that's about what it was here today
[02:58:10] <SWP_Away> odd
[02:59:13] <les_w> I have to really watch the dew point as I warm up my shop
[02:59:29] <les_w> if big cast iron is colder...sweating and rust
[02:59:37] <robin_sz> yep
[02:59:43] <robin_sz> you know the answer ...
[02:59:55] <SWP_Away> I hate that - my shop is an unheated garage
[02:59:57] <SWP_Away> in Vermont
[02:59:59] <robin_sz> just keep it warm
[03:00:19] <les_w> yeah...strip heaters and light bulbs in the machine castings
[03:00:22] <Jymmm> les_w you can't keep "some" heat source in there 24/7 ?
[03:00:30] <Jymmm> or just not worth it?
[03:00:33] <les_w> I do
[03:00:39] <les_w> light bulbs
[03:00:49] <Jymmm> ok, that's what I was going to suggest
[03:00:53] <les_w> on some machines
[03:01:23] <Jymmm> darn things put out a LOT of heat actually.
[03:01:33] <les_w> the sweating is mostly caused by me using unvented gas heaters
[03:01:49] <les_w> 100% efficient, but puts moisture in the air
[03:01:56] <robin_sz> I keep a 150w fishpond heater in the secondary coolant tank, and a 100w lightbulb in the laser cabinet ... on a 4 degree frost stat
[03:02:01] <robin_sz> which I hope works ;)
[03:02:32] <Jymmm> les_w less the toxic fumes of course =)
[03:02:43] <les_w> I am still hunting for dry wood. Gas + electricity was $600 for the month
[03:02:51] <robin_sz> yikes
[03:03:04] <robin_sz> buy a few acres of trees
[03:03:06] <les_w> it will be $1200 nest month
[03:03:30] <les_w> robin I have about 10,000 trees. Mostly oak.
[03:03:35] <les_w> and all green
[03:03:38] <robin_sz> well, buy a saw
[03:03:45] <SWP_Away> strangely, our residential rates are about to go down by 0.6%
[03:03:45] <les_w> I have wood...just not dry wood
[03:03:51] <robin_sz> seems a shame to burn oak though
[03:04:07] <les_w> Have saw too
[03:04:14] <robin_sz> proper one?
[03:04:39] <robin_sz> 60" bar, two man?
[03:04:45] <les_w> well, Husqvarna. We have a 25 HP woodmiser sawmill too.
[03:04:56] <robin_sz> ahh, seen them
[03:04:59] <robin_sz> neat.
[03:05:20] <les_w> the problem is this for firewood...It will not dry...ever.
[03:05:31] <les_w> this is a temperate rain forest
[03:05:48] <les_w> that's why I am building a solar kiln
[03:05:56] <robin_sz> perhaps you should put more in stick these next few years and swap it out for beech at 2:1
[03:06:26] <robin_sz> doesnt dry out, even in stick?
[03:06:39] <SWP_Away> les_w, are you in NC or SC?
[03:06:41] <les_w> well, it won't dry. In the summer the streets stay wet 24 hrs a day!
[03:06:49] <robin_sz> ick
[03:07:01] <SWP_Away> OK - Georgia ;)
[03:07:03] <les_w> swp in georgia 7 miles from NC border
[03:07:20] <les_w> 5 miles from SC
[03:07:33] <SWP_Away> you may be able to get construction lumber from one of the film studios, if you're not too far away
[03:07:38] <robin_sz> so, a bit humid then?
[03:07:47] <les_w> in the summer yes
[03:08:04] <les_w> mildew will grow on car paint
[03:08:05] <robin_sz> perhaps a good biomass crop ... like willow
[03:08:17] <les_w> ferns and orchids everywhere
[03:08:25] <robin_sz> bah,
[03:08:41] <robin_sz> presumably you can get some sort of spray for orchids ...
[03:08:50] <robin_sz> pesky thngs
[03:08:55] <SWP_Away> heh
[03:09:15] <SWP_Away> I spent 17 days filming the bloom of a few orchids in time lapse
[03:09:19] <SWP_Away> what a boring job that was
[03:09:31] <les_w> since the demise of chestnut, oak and poplar (tulip) predominate
[03:09:50] <robin_sz> what happened to chestnut?
[03:09:56] <les_w> blight
[03:09:59] <les_w> all dead
[03:10:01] <robin_sz> oh
[03:10:07] <robin_sz> we had a similar thing with Elm
[03:10:17] <les_w> also our spruce and fir is dead too
[03:10:35] <robin_sz> yeah, but they were crappy trees anyway
[03:10:41] <les_w> haha
[03:10:47] <robin_sz> Oak is nice
[03:11:22] <robin_sz> doesnt Willow grow out there?>
[03:11:25] <les_w> well lots of oak. A 1.25 meter diameter sick one is coming down to make room for bigger shop soon.
[03:11:36] <les_w> willow grows yes
[03:11:44] <robin_sz> thats a great biomass crop
[03:11:52] <les_w> yes
[03:11:58] <les_w> grows fast
[03:12:06] <robin_sz> yep, crop in rotation
[03:12:16] <les_w> same 8400 btu/lb as any wood though
[03:12:43] <robin_sz> it chips nicely, and there are stoves that basically dry it as the chips feed in
[03:12:45] <les_w> forgot the joules/kg
[03:13:01] <robin_sz> there are power stations that work that way
[03:13:49] <les_w> well I have actually sent one of my workers out to procure some dry wood. this $1000/mo is ridiculous
[03:14:11] <les_w> for gas
[03:14:20] <robin_sz> you burn all the scrap and sawdust?
[03:14:30] <les_w> scrap yes
[03:14:34] <les_w> sawdust no
[03:14:41] <robin_sz> not got much?
[03:14:48] <les_w> tons
[03:14:55] <robin_sz> burn that, its very good
[03:14:57] <les_w> just hard to burn
[03:15:00] <robin_sz> nah
[03:15:02] <robin_sz> easy ...
[03:15:07] <robin_sz> fluidised bed
[03:15:21] <les_w> yeah
[03:15:36] <les_w> well only have standard wood stoves
[03:15:46] <les_w> they do have catalytic convertors
[03:16:14] <les_w> I just need dry wood.
[03:16:24] <les_w> Takes about 100 kg a day
[03:16:29] <robin_sz> half a 55 gallon drum, feed the sawdust in with an auger at the bottom, blow air in half way up, some sort fo distributor ring ...
[03:16:51] <les_w> or comress to pellets
[03:17:07] <robin_sz> quite common to see fluidised bed stoves in wood shops here
[03:17:14] <les_w> pellet stoves are cool
[03:17:22] <robin_sz> with the big hopper?
[03:17:23] <les_w> oh really?
[03:17:31] <robin_sz> just burns away at the base and lets mroe out?
[03:17:52] <les_w> people run pellet stoves with corn too
[03:18:02] <robin_sz> heh
[03:18:13] <Jymmm> les_w just add salt and butter
[03:18:17] <robin_sz> the trick is .. to have no air leaks in the hopper :)
[03:19:06] <robin_sz> I presume that how pellet stoves work over your way
[03:19:27] <les_w> anyway, $1/ hr gas problems cannot displace my work too much
[03:19:30] <les_w> but
[03:19:47] <les_w> I still don't like paying out that much just to keep warm
[03:19:52] <robin_sz> nope
[03:19:56] <robin_sz> quite nasty
[03:20:06] <robin_sz> stilll ... prices aitn high yet
[03:20:10] <les_w> it's a rip
[03:20:12] <robin_sz> just wait ;)
[03:20:34] <les_w> like I said, I have lots of trees.
[03:21:21] <les_w> My biomass grows prob 100 times faster than I can personnaly use it
[03:21:42] <robin_sz> yeah, I have that problem ...
[03:21:48] <robin_sz> 30" waist last year ...
[03:21:53] <robin_sz> 32" this ...
[03:22:29] <les_w> imagine 6 mm of diameter increase per year on 10,000 trees
[03:23:09] <robin_sz> * robin_sz wibbles on about "hopus feet"
[03:23:23] <les_w> so...you see why I am making a kiln
[03:23:36] <les_w> hopus feet?
[03:23:43] <les_w> WTF is that?
[03:23:48] <robin_sz> a unit used in forestry surveying
[03:23:59] <les_w> ohhh
[03:24:11] <robin_sz> hopppus
[03:24:29] <robin_sz> 1 cubic foot is equal to 0.028 cubic metre.
[03:24:29] <robin_sz> To convert cubic feet to cubic metres, multiply the number of cubic feet by 0.028
[03:24:29] <robin_sz> 1 hoppus foot is equal to 0.036 cubic metre.
[03:24:29] <robin_sz> To convert hoppus foot to cubic metres, multiply the number of feet by 0.036#
[03:25:35] <les_w> ah ok
[03:25:42] <robin_sz> there is some stick, about a yard long, with a piece an inch wide at the end ...
[03:26:18] <les_w> unfamiliar with that...but I'll bet I am growing a kg of biomass everyfew minutes or something
[03:26:22] <robin_sz> you stand in a forest and count the number of trees that appear larger than the reference piece, to the ey, when it is 1 yard away from your eye ...
[03:26:25] <les_w> ought to calculate it
[03:26:55] <robin_sz> then you multiply that by the heigh tof the trees and some magic number .. and thats the number of hoppus feet per acre
[03:26:59] <robin_sz> or some such ...
[03:27:15] <les_w> I'll just use calculus.
[03:27:20] <les_w> it's easier.
[03:27:42] <robin_sz> its quite cute a it sort of auto-corrects for tree spacing ...
[03:27:46] <robin_sz> and size
[03:28:50] <les_w> well the stand here is 65 years...after clear cut. Almost all oak and hivkory. Uniformly .7 meter diameter, 30 meters high
[03:29:08] <les_w> about 10,000
[03:29:42] <les_w> I ought to be making log cabins huh?
[03:32:45] <les_w> It belongs to the family. However I have been charged with the task of selling it. I hope to get a whole lot. This is a resort area.
[03:33:22] <robin_sz> coo
[03:33:42] <les_w> will invest in other property I thin though
[03:33:59] <robin_sz> the more conversion you can do, the higher the value
[03:34:03] <robin_sz> planks, beams etc
[03:34:14] <les_w> I have been hunting for investments for my little company profits
[03:34:25] <robin_sz> invest in blondes
[03:34:27] <les_w> the bit left after cars and airplanes haha
[03:34:39] <les_w> and blondes
[03:34:54] <robin_sz> you know how to make a small fortune out of airplanes?
[03:35:09] <les_w> conventional cds and such...evaporates.
[03:35:43] <robin_sz> start with a large fortune! ;)
[03:35:57] <les_w> haha
[03:36:02] <les_w> I knoe that
[03:36:07] <robin_sz> 'k
[03:36:11] <robin_sz> right beditme here
[03:36:22] <les_w> well good night
[03:36:27] <robin_sz> you too
[03:37:33] <les_w> I think I will go out and look at meteors some more
[04:33:00] <fenn> damn i want one of these: http://www.lathes.co.uk/hommel/
[04:33:48] <Jymmm> fenn the endmill+keyhole bit worked great
[04:35:44] <Jymmm> what's special about it?
[04:36:51] <fenn> it's leopard print :)
[04:36:57] <Jymmm> lol
[04:37:19] <Jymmm> fenn you're more of a smartass than me! And that's hard to beat!
[04:37:33] <fenn> seriously though, how could you not want an "egglaying woolmilkpig" ?
[04:37:54] <Jymmm> lol
[04:38:01] <Jymmm> Well, lots there to read
[08:09:56] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[08:09:56] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[11:53:08] <Jacky^> morning
[14:32:13] <wb9mjn> Anybody know if there is an online pulley / belt spacing designer ?
[14:40:17] <cradek> are you talking about solving the length of a string around two discs of radius r1, r2 and distance d apart?
[14:40:25] <cradek> I solved that a while ago and found my notes
[14:46:49] <les_w> wb9 I think there is one on the Gates site
[14:46:54] <les_w> for timing belts
[14:48:59] <les_w> yeah herehit is
[14:49:09] <les_w> http://www.gates.com/index.cfm?location_id=560
[14:50:57] <les_w> designflex
[14:51:09] <wb9mjn> Ok...will look...
[14:51:42] <wb9mjn> Do not have the pulleys yet cradek...paper design so far...
[14:52:06] <wb9mjn> There is very good writeup of the math in the SDP-SI technical notes...
[14:52:12] <wb9mjn> But its somewhat involved...
[14:53:05] <wb9mjn> Could spend a day doing the spread sheet, but would like to avoid that....figure this is pretty standard ME stuff...
[14:54:42] <wb9mjn> does not look like Design-Flex covers the MXL series belts...
[14:55:07] <les_w> I use it with gt2
[14:56:01] <les_w> ought to give the gt stuff a try....I switched to it years ago from xl type
[14:56:07] <les_w> works great
[14:56:12] <les_w> zero backlash
[14:56:18] <cradek> wb9mjn: do you want the solution to the problem I described?
[14:56:22] <les_w> very good registration
[14:56:33] <wb9mjn> gt?
[14:56:34] <cradek> wb9mjn: not sure if it's what you're asking about or not
[14:56:51] <wb9mjn> I m doing a combination of reverse/forward engineering...
[14:57:07] <les_w> yeah gates gt curvelinear tooth profile
[14:57:17] <wb9mjn> reverse engineering to confirm the method, then forward to the new 3:1 Z ratio...
[14:57:18] <les_w> good stuff
[14:58:26] <wb9mjn> SDP-SI has very good customer service...and everything on this machine was from them...and it basically works...
[14:58:48] <wb9mjn> Does Gates provide the pulleys too ?
[14:59:08] <wb9mjn> Ok see the GT2 now...
[14:59:29] <les_w> yeah I bought lots of stuff (GT pulleys and belts) from SDP as well as direct from gates
[14:59:51] <wb9mjn> Does SDP call it GT2 ?
[15:00:07] <les_w> gt2 or gt
[15:00:16] <les_w> they are both compatible
[15:00:59] <les_w> bought about a kilobuck worth of pulleys and belts from SDP last summer
[15:01:39] <les_w> Used in production testers for my encoder product
[15:01:48] <wb9mjn> The belt on this Z drive is only 1/4 inch kevlar MXL (.080 pitch)....Same as on the Y drive and the original X drive that has been eliminated in my redesign..
[15:02:16] <wb9mjn> The MXL is a trapezoidal profile....
[15:02:24] <les_w> I use the glass on critical stuff...it has the least stretch
[15:02:34] <les_w> but kevlar is stronger
[15:02:53] <wb9mjn> I will have my encoder on the screw directly, when done...
[15:03:05] <wb9mjn> So stretch is not such an issue...
[15:03:17] <les_w> yeah wb9 MXL can have a little play
[15:04:15] <wb9mjn> And its only a 1/4 inch belt for the big 50 lb load....Have not had a problem with skipping or breakage at all though...
[15:04:24] <alex_joni> morning all
[15:04:56] <wb9mjn> I also need to be able to get pulley stock to make the custom pulley/encoder drive shaft piece...morning alex...
[15:04:59] <les_w> oh heck my x axis jackshaft uses only a 15mm wide belt...to move 500 kg
[15:05:42] <les_w> encoder on screw with that also
[15:06:59] <wb9mjn> Does not look like Gates has the small stuff ....
[15:07:52] <les_w> I used 3mm wide 5mm pitch on the testers
[15:08:02] <les_w> GT from SDP
[15:08:32] <wb9mjn> Do you mean 5 mm wide, 3 mm pitch ?
[15:08:59] <les_w> no the opposite
[15:09:06] <les_w> about 1/8 wide
[15:09:18] <wb9mjn> The belts here are .080, or about 2 mm pitch...
[15:09:41] <les_w> you would prob need about 5 mm width
[15:10:02] <les_w> gt canhandle much higher loads than xl type
[15:10:10] <wb9mjn> They are 1/4 inch...6.35 width ...
[15:10:38] <les_w> yeah so 5x5 or so would be about right for you
[15:11:03] <les_w> the design thing does load analysis
[15:11:12] <wb9mjn> Do they sell the pulley stock ?
[15:11:37] <wb9mjn> Without that, cannot use em....
[15:11:49] <les_w> Yeah I think...extruded
[15:12:19] <les_w> I used the gates hobbed pulleys
[15:12:25] <les_w> but they are expensive
[15:12:31] <les_w> very accurate though
[15:12:51] <wb9mjn> The stock from SDP for the MXL is machined....
[15:12:57] <les_w> registration accuracy is not a problem for you though
[15:13:27] <les_w> backlash is the only issue
[15:13:39] <wb9mjn> The piece of stock I am looking at is $90 ...
[15:14:02] <les_w> yeah...the stuff ain't cheap
[15:14:50] <les_w> why do you need stock? funny shaft diameter?
[15:15:13] <wb9mjn> To integrate the pulley and the encoder drive shaft on the same axis ...
[15:15:37] <wb9mjn> The pulley is at the base of the part, with the shaft sticking out further to engage the encoder...
[15:15:48] <wb9mjn> I did the same thing on the Y drive....
[15:16:09] <les_w> I see
[15:16:24] <wb9mjn> The encoder in the picture sits on top of the pulley cavity in the shiny plate in the picture...
[15:16:56] <wb9mjn> The shaft coming through the encoder is integral with the pulley that is secured to the lintech linear table...
[15:17:00] <wb9mjn> screw ...
[15:17:26] <wb9mjn> The encoders have a flex mount and can take minor TIR...
[15:17:52] <wb9mjn> In the two situations I ve done this on so far, I ve had less than .001 tir at the encoder ...
[15:18:06] <les_w> I just used floating non contact encoder wheels
[15:18:19] <wb9mjn> The X encoder drive was just a shaft extension though, no pulley...
[15:19:27] <wb9mjn> Different machine - different issues...
[15:19:38] <les_w> I have a 2:1 Gt pulley on my z
[15:20:08] <wb9mjn> This one originally had a 2:1 pulley driven by a NEMA 34 stepper...
[15:20:15] <wb9mjn> using the MXL belts...
[15:20:56] <wb9mjn> It had 1:1 MXL belts to the NEMA 34 motors on the X and Y originally...
[15:21:13] <les_w> I have never replaced a belt yet!
[15:21:28] <les_w> lots of hours on the machine too.
[15:21:44] <wb9mjn> We will see here...I guess...
[15:22:01] <wb9mjn> Really should not trust the original engineering !
[15:22:08] <wb9mjn> hi hi !
[15:22:24] <les_w> well timing belts can last a long time...like on cars
[15:22:48] <les_w> 60,000 miles is usual
[15:23:28] <les_w> pretty critical on cars with interference valves
[15:23:48] <wb9mjn> Yea...my brother found that out on his VW 16V ...
[15:23:56] <les_w> oooh
[15:24:35] <wb9mjn> It was a showroom demo car....had not been run for a while when he bought it...belt went at 40001 miles, service interval was 40000...
[15:24:50] <wb9mjn> Apparently the belt got cold flow spotted...
[15:25:06] <wb9mjn> That was about $2500 ...
[15:25:11] <les_w> expensive sodium filled exhaust valve too as I recall
[15:25:20] <wb9mjn> Back around 1985 or so ...
[15:25:54] <les_w> GTI?
[15:25:58] <wb9mjn> yes...
[15:26:06] <les_w> I know that engine.
[15:26:22] <wb9mjn> Allot of people do, because they had to work on em !
[15:26:30] <les_w> haha
[15:26:46] <wb9mjn> Was a quite nice new...
[15:27:04] <wb9mjn> Wonder if they will have similar issues with the W8 ?
[15:27:53] <les_w> Well as you know I am sadly now looking at non german cars after studying reliability data
[15:28:02] <les_w> I always bought german cars
[15:28:15] <les_w> but now...they are just horrible
[15:28:41] <les_w> audi, MB, VW, BMW all bad
[15:28:53] <les_w> usually electrical
[15:30:50] <wb9mjn> First car I bought, back in college, was a Opel Manta, used $1200 ...
[15:31:08] <les_w> german gm?
[15:31:39] <wb9mjn> It was alright...handled well, and did not spin out on clover leafs, like pontiac transams....panhard rod rear rigid axle...
[15:31:53] <wb9mjn> GM left out the panhard rod on the transams....
[15:32:08] <wb9mjn> Yep...
[15:32:17] <wb9mjn> Just like the Saturn, really...
[15:33:01] <wb9mjn> Except the Saturn is made in Kentucky, not holland...
[15:33:27] <wb9mjn> Opel is in Holland/Germany...
[15:33:36] <wb9mjn> multinational...
[15:33:40] <les_w> Well I don't know what the heck is wrong over there. I have done a good bit of electrical design for german auto firms in the past, and they were always careful
[15:33:58] <les_w> Now all I see is horror stories.
[15:34:16] <wb9mjn> Some people (http://www.vwsucks.com) say its their new assembly locations....
[15:34:44] <les_w> I just don't know
[15:34:57] <wb9mjn> In one trade magazine, there was a writeup of the Lexus reliability, and the conclusion was tht the part quality was not the greatest, but the assemblers were the smartest...
[15:35:27] <wb9mjn> And the assemblers would know how to get things together for long-term reliability...
[15:36:08] <wb9mjn> Or maybe its the assembly management that spells it out and makes sure everybody is trained to that standard....
[15:36:43] <wb9mjn> Whichever....nothing is perfect, but can be made to work with a little forsight....
[15:37:03] <les_w> Well they are reliable and I will prob end up with one...prefer german cars though
[15:37:24] <les_w> But I am not spending that kind of money for a lemon
[15:38:02] <les_w> it's too bad
[15:38:15] <les_w> audi a6 is my favorite car
[15:41:23] <wb9mjn> Need to get busy here...have stuff that needs to be done today, before the weekend...see ya...
[15:41:29] <wb9mjn> Thanks for the tip....
[15:46:17] <les_w> yw later
[16:27:20] <wb9mjn> Hey...found a calculator on the SDP-SI website.....kinda off in the corner...all set now...
[17:12:17] <alex_joni> hi there
[17:12:20] <alex_joni> anyone around?
[17:15:38] <wb9mjn> Hi Alex....going through pulley ratios and belt lengths...
[17:15:52] <wb9mjn> Looks like the original design had the belt stretched by .030" ...
[17:16:43] <wb9mjn> I found one that was dead on...but would like to get .010 belt stretch...or -.005 center diference from the nominal...
[17:18:07] <wb9mjn> Found another with .030 stretch...but think that is too tight...this original design probably preloads the bearings too much, which is probably part of the motor overheat problem...
[17:18:33] <wb9mjn> Could always tighten up the dead on design with an idler bearing if need be....
[17:21:41] <alex_joni> are you good with debian?
[17:21:46] <wb9mjn> Nope...
[17:22:26] <alex_joni> :(
[17:22:27] <wb9mjn> what is the issue anyway ?
[17:22:35] <alex_joni> I think I deleted some locale files
[17:22:42] <alex_joni> er.. I know I did
[17:22:49] <alex_joni> but I deleted some I shouldn't have
[17:23:04] <alex_joni> now it won't display fonts for foreign languages (like german) :(
[17:23:08] <wb9mjn> Maybe somebody will come along who can help and will read the text...
[17:23:12] <alex_joni> ΓΌ
[17:23:17] <alex_joni> like this
[17:23:17] <alex_joni> :D
[17:23:26] <alex_joni> probably still sleeping :D
[17:23:47] <wb9mjn> I bet you could probably find those files on the Debian web site...
[17:24:02] <wb9mjn> Probably just font files...
[17:24:32] <wb9mjn> No more umlaut's eh ?
[17:24:56] <wb9mjn> and S zets ?
[17:24:59] <alex_joni> nope
[17:25:10] <alex_joni> also other languages don't display proper
[17:25:23] <alex_joni> the strange thing this is also from text mode programs, like mc
[17:25:45] <wb9mjn> Going to be difficult to print out directs, rechts on Baunhof Sta?er ?
[17:25:47] <alex_joni> or less
[17:26:10] <alex_joni> :P
[17:26:26] <alex_joni> I wanted to work on translations for emc's setupwizard
[17:26:51] <alex_joni> the thing is.. in some places I can see the umlauts, in others I can't
[17:27:02] <alex_joni> no idea who's responsible for what :/
[17:27:03] <wb9mjn> I think a look at the Debian website if it you do not find the solution, will give you enough backgroud to solve it when somebody comes along who can really help...
[17:27:09] <SWP_Away> you could try searching for installed languages/locales, then apt-get --reinstall (or whatever it is) those packages
[17:27:36] <wb9mjn> There you go...
[17:28:51] <alex_joni> SWP_Away: I am trying that
[17:28:59] <alex_joni> but I have no idea what I'm looking for :D
[17:29:04] <alex_joni> reinstalling xfonts-base
[17:29:20] <alex_joni> anyways, under non-X it seems to display just fine
[17:29:30] <alex_joni> but I don't know how to change the keymap
[17:29:31] <SWP_Away> do you think it's just the fonts, or are the locale files also missing
[17:29:32] <alex_joni> any ideas?
[17:29:33] <SWP_Away> ?
[17:29:43] <alex_joni> I think only fonts
[17:29:50] <alex_joni> I don't care for translations..
[17:29:55] <cradek> I have an idea
[17:30:02] <cradek> don't go around deleting stuff if you don't know what it is
[17:30:12] <SWP_Away> *slap*
[17:30:47] <alex_joni> slap
[17:30:50] <alex_joni> :P
[17:30:54] <cradek> err, hi guys
[17:31:02] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[17:31:04] <alex_joni> cradek: how do you change the keymap under console?
[17:31:05] <SWPadnos> hi
[17:31:09] <alex_joni> err, hi chris :D
[17:31:24] <cradek> no idea
[17:31:40] <alex_joni> ok :(
[17:31:50] <alex_joni> if you don't know.. I'm broken :/
[17:32:07] <cradek> do you mean keymap (how the keyboard works?)
[17:33:03] <cradek> (I've never had to learn about any of this i18n stuff)
[17:33:14] <SWPadnos> or l10n :)
[17:33:21] <alex_joni> keymap, how the keyboard works
[17:34:07] <cradek> man -k keymap tells me about loadkeys
[17:36:59] <alex_joni> yay
[17:37:11] <alex_joni> loadkeys de-latin1 did the trick ;)
[17:37:53] <alex_joni> brb, rebooting X
[18:27:31] <alex_joni> hello
[18:32:58] <alex_joni> how's everyone?
[18:33:07] <SWPadnos> a bit chilled
[18:33:27] <SWPadnos> and also brain-dead - it's end-of-year accounting time
[18:41:08] <alex_joni> lol
[18:41:14] <alex_joni> I'm still hunting fonts :(
[18:43:07] <alex_joni> I get this error:
[18:43:07] <alex_joni> Font '-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found.
[19:02:43] <fenn_> wb9mjn: i'm getting these pulleys.. it doesnt get any cheaper than this: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMAKA=05399803
[19:03:20] <fenn_> msc doesnt sell mxl belts though.. pita. i got belts from mcmaster
[19:03:49] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[19:10:46] <alex_joni> buggerit
[19:10:55] <alex_joni> I'm clueless :(
[19:11:09] <alex_joni> brb
[19:16:34] <alex_joni> oh.. fsck it, I thought debian is nice :/
[19:55:00] <skunkworks> I jmk on a long vacation? ;)
[19:57:45] <alex_joni> must be
[20:01:02] <skunkworks> well I guess that is ok ;)
[21:03:08] <dmessier> hello all.. ; )
[21:04:09] <alex_joni> bon soir
[21:04:47] <dmessier> salut.. comment vait on jouer des mp3 avec linux??
[21:05:58] <alex_joni> dmessier: mon favorite e xmms
[21:06:24] <alex_joni> mais c'est un question de preferance personnel
[21:06:37] <dmessier> where the heck is that to be found??
[21:06:50] <alex_joni> dmessier: what distro?
[21:07:01] <dmessier> bdi live...
[21:07:09] <dmessier> debian
[21:07:17] <alex_joni> apt-get install xmms
[21:08:39] <dmessier> gonna have to shut down
[21:09:05] <alex_joni> what for?
[21:09:41] <dmessier> the mom in law gave "us" a laptop for xmas.. im trying to set up the wife with a way to the world from a cd boot
[21:11:16] <dmessier> she works at a college but has no pword or u/s name
[21:11:42] <alex_joni> I see..
[21:11:48] <alex_joni> get a Live distro
[21:12:00] <alex_joni> most work great, and have most of the stuff already configured
[21:12:24] <dmessier> this bdi mapped right down to mu mp3 player plugged in on usb... from 1st boot
[21:12:47] <dmessier> yes.. bdi LIVE 4.18 i believe
[21:14:18] <dmessier> only says morphix live cd at boot up
[21:15:19] <dmessier> there is win 2k on the HD and i managed to mount it as a removable hot drive.. i love it
[21:17:10] <alex_joni> if it's live, then it's morphix based
[21:17:12] <alex_joni> a bit older, but ok
[21:19:44] <dmessier> this is just a cd to leave in for the kids to see linux and walk away... i have msn on too many systems already..
[21:20:19] <dmessier> it goes fine to 2k if you remove the cd
[21:20:40] <alex_joni> lol
[21:20:50] <alex_joni> that's a new one: linux as a kid scarer..
[21:21:39] <dmessier> 3 kids me and my wife... 5 lights on the router NOW.. and Glenda's sitting beside me
[21:22:20] <dmessier> Ty is on the laptop thru linux,, nothing scares him... hes a hangglider pilot ; )
[21:26:22] <dmessier> wont install...not using locking or something
[21:47:51] <ajoni> ajoni is now known as alex_joni
[21:57:17] <wb9mjn> Hi Fenn, still around ?
[21:59:26] <wb9mjn> Hi Fenn, I could get the plastic pulleys from SDP-SI too...want the metal ones...but even so, the standard design pulleys are incomplete for the part I need...
[21:59:34] <wb9mjn> Thus the big cost to get the stock...
[22:03:44] <Jacky^> hellooooooooooo :P
[22:06:48] <Jacky^> woww
[22:06:53] <Jacky^> thats dinner
[22:07:13] <Jacky^> hope to survive until tomorrow eveningg :D
[22:29:33] <ajoni> ajoni is now known as alex_joni
[22:53:45] <dmessier> home made burgers and fries... got plenty.. come on over .. dont go hungry
[22:54:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni rushes :D
[22:54:10] <alex_joni> kidding, just had dinner
[22:56:41] <dmessier> anything else you know to play mp3' on the bdi live distro??
[22:57:14] <alex_joni> afaik there is nothing on the live that plays mp3's
[22:57:21] <alex_joni> get a stock morphix for that..
[22:57:24] <alex_joni> not BDI
[22:57:46] <alex_joni> in paul_c's words 'why the hell would you want a CNC machine to play songs' :D
[22:59:27] <wb9mjn> This is for fenn if he s watching......Another reason I cannot use the plastic pulleys is that the pulley bore diameters do not match my shaft diameters, and I have to bore them out...
[23:02:39] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/naples/30dic.html
[23:02:58] <Jacky^> :D
[23:03:06] <Jacky^> fresh from this afternoon
[23:03:13] <Jacky^> but too gray !
[23:03:32] <Jacky^> too clouds and rain ...
[23:17:10] <alex_joni> alex_joni is now known as alex_joni_laptop
[23:21:42] <Jacky^> :)
[23:26:32] <K4ts_> hello
[23:33:06] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/naples/page004.html
[23:33:32] <Jacky^> we just made some photos in a forbidden place (palazzo reale )
[23:33:34] <Jacky^> woowowow
[23:33:37] <Jacky^> LOL
[23:33:58] <Jacky^> cant use camera there ..
[23:34:18] <Jacky^> but with no flash and no beep sometime is possible !
[23:34:20] <Jacky^> :D
[23:34:38] <Jacky^> but lost the best rooms
[23:35:02] <Jacky^> we just got photos from empty rooms :(
[23:35:04] <Jacky^> hehehehe
[23:35:37] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/naples/img060.jpeg.html
[23:35:46] <Jacky^> take a look to that desktop :P
[23:38:26] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/naples/img050.jpeg.html
[23:38:38] <Jacky^> and that was the seat of king !
[23:38:40] <Jacky^> :D
[23:54:16] <Jacky^> hey guys ! happy new year !
[23:54:35] <Jacky^> see you in the next year
[23:54:52] <Jacky^> have a fuuuuuuuuuuun !
[23:54:55] <Jacky^> ciao
[23:55:04] <alex_joni_laptop> ciao
[23:55:10] <Jacky^> ciaoo
[23:56:05] <K4ts_> night e happy new year!