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[00:05:49] <anonimasu> heh
[00:13:36] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[00:18:49] <Jacky^> uhmmm
[00:19:26] <Jacky^> cant upload more using ftp on my webspace :(
[00:19:57] <Jacky^> the isp has rescricted the access to only peoples use theyr line to connect internet
[00:20:01] <Jacky^> ghghghg
[00:20:06] <Jacky^> absurd
[00:20:50] <Jacky^> now looking for a nice .org domain name for the website..
[00:21:31] <Jacky^> K4ts: you around ?
[00:21:52] <K4ts> eh'
[00:22:05] <Jacky^> our first minister sayd any italian family has a pc in house
[00:22:31] <Jacky^> then why we are between guadalupa and estonia as nr. of pc ? :(
[00:23:02] <Jacky^> guadalupa send an email to us: www.wheredamnareyouinitaly.com
[00:23:09] <Jacky^> and nobody reply ?
[00:23:12] <Jacky^> :((
[00:23:28] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ umpf
[00:30:11] <Jacky^> robin_z: you there ?
[00:30:23] <anonimasu> hm
[00:30:37] <Jacky^> can connect this website ? http://www.sussex.ac.uk
[00:30:53] <Jacky^> it seems down for me
[00:32:02] <Jacky^> anonimasu: really ..
[00:32:50] <Jacky^> we got 30 position between guadalupa and estonia as computer diffusion
[00:33:14] <anonimasu> and?
[00:33:19] <anonimasu> no
[00:33:20] <anonimasu> that'd dead
[00:33:55] <Jacky^> ok, ty
[00:34:28] <Jacky^> that was an Indicator of technological capabilities
[00:34:40] <K4ts> night
[00:34:50] <Jacky^> night K4ts
[00:36:21] <Jacky^> sad sad..
[00:36:47] <Jacky^> freedom of print 53 between Macedonia and Peru
[00:37:22] <Jacky^> we are with the turkey the only 2 countries 'non free' of eu
[00:44:35] <robin_z> meep?
[00:44:47] <Jacky^> meep
[00:44:52] <robin_z> where is Alex when you need him huh?
[00:48:22] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ goes to beeed
[00:48:27] <Jacky^> happy night
[00:48:35] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[01:33:56] <skunkworks> ?
[01:43:34] <wb9mjn> Hi Skunk, how's WI tonite ?
[01:47:23] <skunkworks> good - how are you doing?
[01:47:36] <skunkworks> how is the mill running?
[01:47:51] <wb9mjn> So far so good...
[01:47:52] <skunkworks> hot day today - all the snow is melting.
[01:48:06] <wb9mjn> Yep, same here...maybe 40 ?
[01:48:10] <skunkworks> right
[01:48:29] <wb9mjn> Had big chunks of Ice fall off the roof....
[01:48:38] <wb9mjn> About 3 pm....
[01:48:41] <wb9mjn> loud!
[01:48:51] <wb9mjn> Thought I broke something, hi....
[01:48:52] <skunkworks> that will wake you up
[01:49:26] <wb9mjn> Thinking about some sort of skirt for the table...to cover up the wires and things....
[01:49:41] <wb9mjn> Also lost out on Ebay on the ER-20 tooling project...
[01:50:30] <wb9mjn> Found a collet chuck with a solid shank I could turn down to 15 mm to fit the lathe....But to be sure I made a test piece turned between centers...
[01:50:34] <skunkworks> lost a on a bid or dead beat shipper?
[01:50:57] <wb9mjn> Went to buy the chuck, and it was sold....should have got it, it was only $21.00 ...
[01:51:18] <skunkworks> had a few of them ;)
[01:51:57] <wb9mjn> So, took the test piece and bored it out for the 5/16 ths boring bar....not a total loss in the end...the boring bar likes being in a big piece of steel, in the bar holder
[01:52:09] <wb9mjn> , rather than in a vee groove holder....
[01:52:26] <skunkworks> cool
[01:53:08] <wb9mjn> I was able to drive the test bar with just the point of the headstock center, taking 10 mil cuts...
[01:53:52] <wb9mjn> in drill rod...
[01:54:06] <skunkworks> what kinda lathe?
[01:54:23] <wb9mjn> Its a schaublin 102, from about 1960 I think...the plaque is gone...
[01:54:47] <skunkworks> the older the better - we have a nice little monarche I like to use whenever I can.
[01:55:07] <wb9mjn> Small enough to fit my space, big enough to do some good tooling work with....I did not buy the motor and vari-speed pullet with it....
[01:55:18] <wb9mjn> Which actually weight more than the lathe!
[01:55:54] <wb9mjn> I got a modern 2 HP three phase servo motor and had a custom flat pulley done....
[01:56:25] <wb9mjn> The drive for the servo runs off 110 or 220 single phase, and internally generates the three phase for the motor....
[01:56:31] <skunkworks> ;) sounds farmiliar - the monarch had a motor generator to make the dc to run the lathe motor. we went with a solid state control we had kicking around
[01:56:50] <wb9mjn> That has to be the best deal I ve gotten on Ebay, that motor and drive....
[01:57:49] <wb9mjn> The motor only weighs about 40 lbs...
[01:57:56] <wb9mjn> if that....
[01:58:45] <skunkworks> who makes the drive?
[01:59:50] <wb9mjn> It says MTS Systems on it...
[02:01:29] <wb9mjn> I think the motor is a Emerson...the motor is about 5 inches square and 11 inches long, with a resolver on the back...the drive has a encoder simulated output from the resolver signal..
[02:02:08] <wb9mjn> Holds speed quite welll...just run +/- 10 v into the drive control signal from a homemade control box...
[02:02:49] <wb9mjn> I could eventually use it as an A drive for CNC lathe....
[02:02:59] <skunkworks> sounds nice - already to cnc ;)
[02:03:30] <wb9mjn> The Schablin has big Tee slots down either side of the bed....
[02:03:54] <wb9mjn> Its a tool-room / watchmakers style lathe...
[02:04:45] <wb9mjn> Funky threading attachments, which I do not have....that will be the CNC project when I get to it...
[02:06:02] <wb9mjn> Nice to have instantaneous reverse...can slide the tail stock with a tap in it, and go back and forth....
[02:06:42] <skunkworks> some one around here had emc working on a lathe
[02:06:51] <wb9mjn> Also, especially nice having the full torque variable speed, being a lathe novice, keeps me out of trouble...
[02:07:22] <skunkworks> never keep the chuck key in the chuck ;)
[02:07:36] <wb9mjn> Can spin the speed control to the middle and bring the thing to a stop in about 2 seconds....
[02:08:20] <wb9mjn> Do not use chucks...just collets and faceplates...that s the drawback of this lathe,,,hard to get a chuck backplate for it....
[02:09:34] <wb9mjn> has a funky metric threaded head stock nose....very close to 1 1/2 by 8, but not quite....its even odd for metric, not even metric diameter or pitch...
[02:10:28] <skunkworks> http://www.emachinetool.com/used/catalog/vertical.cfm?DestinationCategory=Engine+Lathe&ProductID=11115
[02:10:40] <skunkworks> pretty close to ours - looks a little nicer ;)
[02:11:55] <skunkworks> actually ours it a bit bigger - around 2 inch through the spindle.
[02:14:06] <wb9mjn> Looking for a good picture of the 102...looks like that machine-tool thing has been severly concatenated...
[02:17:26] <wb9mjn> Can t find a good picture of one like mine....
[02:17:40] <wb9mjn> But did find that www.lathes.co.uk is still there...
[02:19:45] <wb9mjn> built a custom table for it with a maple top and 8020 frame....rather than the original which on this one was cast-iron plates that bolted together....
[02:21:38] <wb9mjn> This lathe is only 14 mm through the collet ID, but there are various collets available that are larger...I have up to 1 inch here...
[02:21:58] <wb9mjn> But, still only 14 mm through the smallest ID of the larger collets...
[02:25:45] <skunkworks> nice
[02:32:36] <wb9mjn> These lathes, the smaller 70 and this one also have the F style headstock, for fixed length chucking....
[02:33:03] <wb9mjn> I have a 70 with the F head stock at work...
[02:36:00] <wb9mjn> Been looking at the TP stuff people have been talking about.....
[02:36:47] <wb9mjn> Very complicated problem, even without the programming issues...
[02:41:43] <skunkworks> a little above my head
[02:43:21] <wb9mjn> I do some of the coeficient curve matching at work...but usually manually, as its so unwieldy to keep from doing all sorts of dips and doodles...
[02:44:27] <wb9mjn> Move a point a little bit, and the resulting coeficients generate a curve which goes shooting off one way to end up hiting a point two or three points down the cureve!
[02:45:15] <wb9mjn> But, I am messing with 5 or 6 th order curves...
[02:46:20] <wb9mjn> So, I end up tweaking my measured points until I get something that is smooth ...
[02:47:01] <wb9mjn> For what I m doing I can increase any of the points a little, but not decrease them....
[05:38:05] <CIA-16> 03paul_c * 10emc2-auto/wiki/ (11 files in 8 dirs): "Auto update wiki from a cron job. Sat Dec 24 05:30:02 GMT 2005 "
[05:53:56] <LawrenceG> hey Ted
[05:55:26] <tfmacz> what isan ajective?
[06:00:29] <Jymmm> hi LawrenceG
[06:08:23] <LawrenceG> Hi Jymmm... how is California shakin?
[06:12:13] <Jymmm> not at the moment at least =)
[06:12:58] <LawrenceG> raining here ... big storm expected tonight
[06:14:39] <Jymmm> Been raining a bit for a few days. nothing extreme
[06:17:33] <LawrenceG> its been very quiet on this list the last few days.....
[06:17:54] <Jymmm> eh, probably due to christmas
[06:18:19] <LawrenceG> chasing the turkey! or in Les's case the chicken }
[06:18:36] <Jymmm> no, the chicken follows the cat/dog
[06:22:29] <Jymmm> http://static.flickr.com/6/75744786_4efc2f2593_o.jpg
[06:22:42] <Jymmm> les' chicken
[06:27:09] <LawrenceG> nice looking chicken
[06:30:09] <Jymmm> the cat and the dog are it's only friends.
[06:30:43] <LawrenceG> yea.... Les has told some good stories about that chicken
[06:31:15] <Jymmm> I think it's cool.
[06:32:01] <LawrenceG> are you intoham radio?... can't remember
[06:32:13] <Jymmm> yeah
[06:32:38] <LawrenceG> http://users.adelphia.net/~n2pk/
[06:32:47] <LawrenceG> i want to build one of the above
[06:33:00] <LawrenceG> ordered boards and am collecting parts
[06:34:45] <LawrenceG> http://users.adelphia.net/~n2pk/VNA/VNAarch.html has more info
[06:34:53] <Jymmm> you might like this as well: http://www.science-workshop.com/
[06:36:34] <LawrenceG> yea... I always wanted to build a spectrum analyzer.... finally bought one on ebay... hp141T with assorted modules
[06:38:20] <Jymmm> whats it's bandwidth?
[06:39:08] <LawrenceG> I have 3 rf modules for it 0-300khz, 0-110Mhz, 0-18Ghz
[06:39:58] <Jymmm> very cool, you make antennas once in a while?
[06:40:47] <LawrenceG> yea that is a lot of fun.... garage is full of wire that I tend to string from every possible point in the yard
[06:41:13] <Jymmm> lol
[06:42:32] <LawrenceG> http://users.adelphia.net/~n2pk/VNA/OZ1DUG_VNA.jpg Looks like a sucrets tin this guy used to house his VNA
[06:42:59] <LawrenceG> That would be a hard board tro mill
[06:45:04] <Jymmm> aluminum billet
[06:45:50] <Jymmm> oh the pcb, nm
[06:45:51] <Jymmm> =)
[06:46:21] <LawrenceG> I have been lucky.... got most of the expensive semi's as samples
[10:36:17] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[10:36:21] <Jacky^> morrrning
[10:41:19] <robin_z> meep?
[10:41:28] <Jacky^> morning robin_z :-)
[10:41:38] <robin_z> morning?
[10:42:03] <Jacky^> it would be
[10:42:06] <Jacky^> :)
[10:44:15] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ is waking up with a good coffee
[10:46:15] <Jacky^> need a very strong coffe to stay awake until 3 am
[10:48:51] <Jacky^> have a cool jule... abbia un fresco....?
[10:49:07] <Jacky^> anyone know what it mean ?
[11:53:49] <robin_z> meep?
[11:53:56] <robin_z> where was I?
[13:49:26] <Imperator_> Hi Alex
[13:50:10] <alex_joni> morning Martin ;)
[13:51:04] <alex_joni> how's it going?
[13:51:10] <alex_joni> Fr´┐Żhliche Weihnachten
[13:51:11] <alex_joni> :P
[14:09:07] <A-L-P-H-A> ??
[14:09:08] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[14:09:19] <A-L-P-H-A> I feel feable. I don't even know what language that is.
[14:38:51] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: german
[14:40:49] <robin_z> bonne fete
[14:41:08] <alex_joni> hi robin_z
[14:41:13] <robin_z> grretz
[14:41:20] <robin_z> so how goes it?
[14:41:44] <robin_z> hey, while you are on ... pipe welding question :)
[14:42:06] <alex_joni> shoot
[14:42:41] <robin_z> I need to make a filter container, 200mm AS105 pipe, 6mm wall, welded to some 10mm flanges
[14:43:01] <robin_z> its only 10bar pressure so nothing too serious
[14:43:02] <alex_joni> how many pipes?
[14:43:13] <robin_z> just one pipe, with a flange at each end
[14:43:18] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok
[14:43:34] <alex_joni> any special position you need to use?
[14:43:39] <robin_z> so, weld prep the pipe end with a chamfer
[14:43:42] <alex_joni> can you rotate the pipe?
[14:43:46] <robin_z> sure
[14:44:02] <alex_joni> yes, for 6 mm I'd use a half-Y joint
[14:44:24] <alex_joni> first pass WIG
[14:44:30] <alex_joni> then MIG for the filling
[14:44:31] <robin_z> WIG?
[14:44:48] <alex_joni> pipes are always welded WIG for the root pass, gives you the best results
[14:44:56] <robin_z> whats WIG?
[14:45:01] <alex_joni> TIG, sorry ;)
[14:45:05] <robin_z> ah :)
[14:45:08] <alex_joni> Wolfram = Tungsten
[14:45:12] <robin_z> right
[14:45:22] <robin_z> and do it in 90 degree sections
[14:45:33] <robin_z> or one continuous pass?
[14:45:44] <alex_joni> Ideally you'd place the tip at one a clock, and rotate the pipe
[14:46:16] <alex_joni> continous pass is OK if you can tilt it up, having the flange horizontally
[14:46:26] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, don't you have robots for that?
[14:46:29] <alex_joni> anything else will require a very skilled welder
[14:46:43] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: I have, and I use robots for that.. but robin doesn't
[14:46:46] <alex_joni> at least not yet
[14:47:06] <robin_z> I thought there was some issue with if you welded in one pass round a pipe it had lots of stress at the end point?
[14:47:30] <alex_joni> robin_z: not very much, at 6 mm wall it might be ok
[14:47:35] <robin_z> ok
[14:47:46] <alex_joni> if you are concearned, preheat it to say 200 degrees C
[14:47:52] <alex_joni> and let it cool down slowly afterwards
[14:48:02] <robin_z> and are flanges normally id = tube id?
[14:48:08] <robin_z> or id = tube od?
[14:48:27] <A-L-P-H-A> hardcore... what's the pipe for?
[14:48:28] <alex_joni> didn't get that
[14:48:44] <robin_z> the hole in the flange ...
[14:48:57] <robin_z> is it normally so the tub sits inside it
[14:49:01] <robin_z> tube
[14:49:15] <robin_z> or tube its on top of it?
[14:49:37] <alex_joni> well.. let's take it this way:
[14:49:43] <alex_joni> you want liquid to travel through the pipe
[14:49:49] <robin_z> mmm, no :)
[14:49:58] <alex_joni> so there should be minimal disturbances in the flow direction
[14:50:02] <alex_joni> or gas, whatever
[14:50:07] <robin_z> its going to have end caps
[14:50:15] <robin_z> its basically a pressure vessel, with ends
[14:50:21] <alex_joni> then it won't matter much
[14:50:24] <robin_z> ok
[14:50:36] <alex_joni> but the flanges I've seen are all aligned to the id of the tube
[14:50:44] <robin_z> i'll go pipe od = f;ange id
[14:50:45] <robin_z> right
[14:50:58] <alex_joni> pipe id = flange id
[14:51:05] <alex_joni> and they sit side by side
[14:51:13] <robin_z> thats what I meant to type :)
[14:51:39] <alex_joni> but if you can do flange id = tube od then you might be able to weld from both sides, and have the flange sit on the pipe
[14:51:55] <robin_z> coo
[14:52:06] <alex_joni> the problem is what you want to connect to the flange, if it's a flat plate, then maybe it's not such a good idea
[14:52:28] <robin_z> this is for the the filter stack on my nitrogen generator project :)
[14:52:41] <alex_joni> if you say :P
[14:52:43] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_z?? are you making a pipebomb?
[14:52:53] <alex_joni> anyways.. use half-Y chamfer
[14:52:57] <alex_joni> on the pipe
[14:53:04] <alex_joni> and the flange as it is
[14:53:12] <robin_z> right
[14:53:32] <alex_joni> maybe 1-2 mm for the straight Y section, and about 60-65 degs for the angle
[14:53:36] <robin_z> basically, its just a big tube full of carbon, air at 10 bar passing through
[14:53:45] <robin_z> * robin_z nods
[14:53:59] <alex_joni> and tack it with 1-1.5 mm space to the flange
[14:54:07] <alex_joni> then use TIG to weld the root
[14:54:19] <robin_z> ok, we have tig
[14:54:26] <alex_joni> that should give you the best results
[14:54:34] <robin_z> I could even TIG from the inside ...
[14:55:18] <robin_z> infact that would be a lot easier
[14:55:19] <alex_joni> usually you use a "finger" mill on the inside after the weld,
[14:55:53] <robin_z> as I say, no flow as its endcapped with a plate
[14:56:00] <robin_z> so no problem there
[14:56:05] <alex_joni> ok, then you probably don't care much ;)
[14:56:21] <alex_joni> 10 bar should be trivial
[14:56:27] <robin_z> I just dont want it to fly off as it comes up to pressure :)
[14:56:44] <alex_joni> if it were > 500 bar with steam inside, a bit more trouble
[14:57:00] <alex_joni> your worst welding won't make it fly off at 10 bar
[14:57:16] <alex_joni> it'll leak, and crack, but certainly not fly off (imho :P)
[14:57:47] <robin_z> thats comforting
[14:59:09] <robin_z> ive only recently read up on nitorgen generation ... its so simple ...
[15:00:11] <robin_z> you just let the carbon suck up the oxygen at 10 bar ... so you get oxygen free air (mostly N2, plus a little Ar) out ...
[15:00:36] <robin_z> whne the carbon is saturated, just lower to 1.5bar and back flush,
[15:00:47] <robin_z> out comes the oxygen again .. repeat as required
[15:08:08] <K4ts> hello
[15:08:25] <jepler> good morning
[15:10:07] <K4ts> I wish good parties to everybody you
[15:10:11] <alex_joni> robin_z: repeat till you're dead, if you're inside
[15:14:20] <K4ts> Jacky^: ?
[15:27:18] <Jacky^> hey ciao :)
[15:29:15] <Jacky^> I was in the shower (bath) one time at year I do it
[15:29:19] <Jacky^> :D
[15:29:31] <Jacky^> K4ts: ?
[15:30:22] <K4ts> ah
[15:30:27] <alex_joni> bye guys
[15:30:31] <alex_joni> have a nice christmas
[15:30:38] <Jacky^> bye alex_joni have a nice time
[15:30:40] <Jacky^> :P
[15:31:03] <alex_joni> Jacky^: Buon Natale
[15:31:16] <Jacky^> anche a te e Famiglia ;)
[15:31:30] <alex_joni> grazie
[15:31:31] <alex_joni> ciao a tutti
[15:31:35] <K4ts> ciao
[15:31:38] <K4ts> buon natale
[15:32:06] <K4ts> bhe vado a fare un po di cose
[15:32:15] <Jacky^> ok, later ..
[15:34:26] <K4ts> i ragazzi ti augurano un buon natale stanno per andare via
[15:37:02] <Jacky^> ok grazie
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[17:08:38] <wb9mjn> LawrenceG, you might want to check out the tapr website (www.tapr.org). They were kitting up a VNA project ...
[17:21:20] <K4ts> Buon Natale a tutti
[17:21:45] <Jacky^> Merry Christmas
[17:21:48] <Jacky^> :)
[17:22:49] <K4ts> happy born to everybody
[17:26:52] <K4ts> rayh: happy born
[17:28:43] <rayh> Hi K4ts
[17:30:53] <K4ts> you do the dinners of native this evening? rayh ?
[17:31:33] <rayh> Yes we are driving to visit friends and will have dinner. You also?
[17:32:08] <K4ts> I go my sister
[17:33:02] <K4ts> we hope you come soon the evening and these days!
[17:33:10] <rayh> Great. Family is important.
[17:33:23] <K4ts> uff
[17:34:24] <K4ts> bye all
[17:36:39] <wb9mjn> Hey Ray...still there ?
[17:39:33] <wb9mjn> Anybody familiar with Matt Shaver's BMP2CNC utility ?
[17:41:09] <rayh> phone brb
[17:47:07] <rayh> k
[17:47:15] <wb9mjn> Hi Ray...
[17:47:25] <rayh> I used bmp2cnc once.
[17:47:42] <wb9mjn> Think I figured out what I was doing wrong for a start...the distribution has an EXE which apparently is only ment for windows...
[17:47:53] <rayh> I don't remember what all the args were for it.
[17:48:14] <rayh> I remember starting it from a command line and passing the file name.
[17:48:28] <wb9mjn> But in general, how does one run a program from linux console? Or how does linux know a file is a command ?
[17:49:31] <wb9mjn> Also, apparently an Italian company has come out with a GUI program that has the same name, and does the same thing, but with some nice added functionality...
[17:49:33] <cradek> wb9mjn: it knows by the file permissions
[17:50:08] <wb9mjn> So, if you have a file, one knows is a program file, one could go in and edit the permissions ?
[17:50:23] <wb9mjn> They do not get set automatically by extension type ?
[17:51:15] <cradek> no, there is nothing special about the . character
[17:51:26] <cradek> so there is no such thing as file extensions
[17:51:38] <cradek> you can of course name a file file.abc but that means nothing special
[17:52:24] <wb9mjn> Ok...
[17:53:41] <wb9mjn> So, if one gets a distribution of a program package that is to be installed manually, how would one know which file to set to be the executable ?
[17:54:09] <cradek> it's not a sure thing, but the distribution will probably already have the permissions set properly on the files
[17:54:19] <cradek> anything used to archive files together (such as tar) preserves permissions
[17:54:46] <cradek> if you don't know what a file is, you can use the command "file" to "peek inside" and see
[17:54:52] <cradek> % file image
[17:54:52] <cradek> image: JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.01, aspect ratio, "CREATOR: XV Version 3.10a Rev: ", 1 x 1
[17:54:56] <wb9mjn> Ok...maybe uncompressing it in windows is where I went worng ?
[17:55:33] <cradek> wb9mjn: quite likely, windows is known to screw up permissions, upper/lowercase, extensions, etc.
[17:55:47] <cradek> because it has completely different rules
[17:55:50] <wb9mjn> In the windows file system no file permissions, so when I copied over it was devoid of permissions...
[17:56:04] <dmess> hello all... merry christmass to all... ;)
[17:56:06] <cradek> sounds possible
[17:56:23] <wb9mjn> OK...i ll untar it linux and see which files pop up with the executable permissions....
[17:56:40] <cradek> great, that'll probably do the right thing
[17:57:00] <wb9mjn> seemed wierd that they would only put in a windows executable, and not a linux one, when the package was originally done on linux...
[17:57:06] <wb9mjn> thanks...
[17:57:15] <cradek> yes, I agree that sounds strange.
[17:57:21] <cradek> maybe it's not actually written on linux.
[17:57:45] <wb9mjn> I ll go look at it some more...
[17:57:47] <cradek> often on linux (with open source software), you get the source and compile it to make an executable custom for your system
[17:58:17] <cradek> on windows, you don't usually get the source for stuff, only an executable you can't change
[17:58:24] <wb9mjn> Yes, it includes the source....
[17:58:59] <dmess> i have DOS executables ive been trying to make work in linux for a few yrs now... to no avail...originally come from an IBM 360 mainframe
[17:59:02] <cradek> maybe you're just expected to compile it then, and there is no linux executable
[17:59:17] <wb9mjn> could be....
[17:59:20] <cradek> there are several ways to run dos programs on linux
[17:59:27] <cradek> dosemu and qemu pop to mind
[17:59:43] <cradek> I run Autocad for dos on linux under qemu (using FreeDOS)
[18:00:04] <dmess> well this post processor needs a particular version of dos to be reported to the exe at some point
[18:00:06] <wb9mjn> I m on a windows system here, and the linux is on the machine in the other room...I can network the results back and forth...now that I can run it...but would be nice to have it work
[18:00:10] <wb9mjn> on linux too...
[18:00:59] <wb9mjn> off to lunch....
[18:01:03] <dmess> cradek wanna jive APT a kick??
[18:01:08] <dmess> give
[18:01:18] <cradek> ???
[18:01:25] <dmess> Automatically programmed tool
[18:01:31] <cradek> no idea what that is
[18:02:11] <dmess> tlon,golft/on,line1,to plane1,10.0
[18:02:49] <dmess> toolt goes on line 1 tp plane1 in z at feed of 10 ipm
[18:03:19] <cradek> dmess: sounds interesting, but no thanks
[18:03:25] <dmess> its an associative programming system
[18:03:48] <dmess> i can only make it run on a 386 or less...
[18:04:07] <fenn> dmess: did you say you had the source code?
[18:04:29] <cradek> dmess: I'll sell you my AT
[18:04:37] <dmess> no i wish.. its available through nist...
[18:04:46] <dmess> sell???
[18:05:08] <fenn> cradek is an antique computer collector :)
[18:05:18] <dmess> i have a few 486dx it works on...
[18:05:24] <cradek> dmess: it's a kick-ass AT, 3 MB of ram and EGA
[18:06:05] <dmess> you can post the apt in win 98... but it wont post... it MUST post to g-code on the old box for some reason
[18:07:07] <cradek> post?
[18:07:23] <dmess> i wanna set up a post box email addy.... send in apt cl file... get g-gode back in your in-box
[18:08:03] <dmess> post process.... into g-codes for ANY machine once we have the post built
[18:12:56] <dmess> APT is a very high level programming language... it needs to be post processed( flavoured ) for the actual machine it will be run on
[18:14:06] <dmess> anything you can do in FORTRAN is available within the machine tool programming environment in verbose text format
[18:16:16] <dmess> full 5 -axis programming.... its cool.. but old fashioned..
[18:18:03] <anonimasu> hm
[18:23:00] <dmess> MACHIN/AIMILL,9010,161,1
[18:23:00] <dmess> LOADTL/1
[18:23:00] <dmess> CUTTER/25.4
[18:23:00] <dmess> SPINDL/ON,500
[18:23:00] <dmess> COOLNT/ON
[18:23:01] <dmess> $$
[18:23:03] <dmess> $$
[18:23:05] <dmess> $$ GEOMETRY
[18:23:07] <dmess> $$
[18:23:09] <dmess> $$
[18:23:11] <dmess> LX=LINE/XAXIS
[18:23:13] <dmess> LY=LINE/YAXIS
[18:23:15] <dmess> L1=LINE/PARLEL,LX,YLARGE,100.
[18:23:17] <dmess> L2=LINE/PARLEL,LY,XLARGE,100.
[18:23:19] <dmess> $$
[18:23:21] <dmess> $$
[18:23:23] <dmess> PL0=PLANE/0,0,1,0
[18:23:25] <dmess> PLC=PLANE/PARLEL,PL0,ZLARGE,150.
[18:23:27] <dmess> PLT=PLANE/PARLEL,PL0,ZLARGE,50.5
[18:23:29] <dmess> PLB=PLANE/PARLEL,PL0,ZLARGE,25.
[18:23:31] <dmess> RAPID,GO/ON,LX,PLC,LY
[18:23:33] <dmess> INDIRV/0,-1,0
[18:23:35] <dmess> RAPID,GO/ON,LY,PLT,PAST,LX
[18:23:37] <dmess> NOPS
[18:23:39] <dmess> FEDRAT/100.
[18:23:41] <dmess> GO/ON,PLB
[18:23:43] <dmess> PSIS/PLB
[18:23:45] <dmess> TLRGT,GOLFT/LX,PAST,L2
[18:23:47] <dmess> GOLFT/L2,PAST,L1
[18:23:49] <dmess> GOLFT/L1,PAST,LY
[18:23:51] <dmess> GOLFT/LY,PAST,LX
[18:23:53] <dmess> GOLFT/LX,PAST,LY
[18:23:55] <dmess> NOPS
[18:23:57] <dmess> GO/ON,PLT
[18:23:59] <dmess> NOPS
[18:24:01] <dmess> RAPID,GO/ON,PLC
[18:24:03] <dmess> END
[18:24:05] <dmess> FINI
[18:24:07] <dmess> mills a sqauare 100mm sq
[18:26:34] <dmess> works on drive surface , part surface , check surface.. iterative principle... set to intol/outtol (inside material tolerance/ ouside material tol)
[18:26:55] <dmess> nops = no part surface
[18:27:12] <dmess> psis = part surface is
[18:31:49] <dmess> indirv = in direction of vector
[18:32:22] <dmess> tlrgt = tool right
[18:32:34] <dmess> golft = go left
[18:33:17] <dmess> no classifier in front of a geometrit element implies a "TO"
[18:40:00] <Jacky^> happy dinner to all !
[18:40:10] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ is reaaady
[18:40:17] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[18:42:22] <dmess> everyone's ready at our house.... they're just trying to distract themselves..
[18:44:48] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[18:44:48] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[18:46:02] <dmess> i like REd... thats how my dad was... oh and better show at the mine for work too... ; )
[18:46:42] <dmess> when anyone called in i was the GOTO guy
[18:47:03] <dmess> at 14 yrs old
[19:05:55] <skunkworks> cradek?
[19:09:22] <Jymmm> heh
[19:11:00] <skunkworks> just wanted to let you know the acceleration fix you added is working. When you get a chance though could you run your machine at g0 and hit an estop (f1). When I get it out of estop and back on I get following errors that shut the machine back off. According to the bug report I thought it was fixed. or this is a little differnet
[19:44:04] <jepler> y
[19:44:08] <jepler> oops
[22:03:20] <tomp> Merry Christmas (eve) all :-)
[22:59:45] <dmess> my son bought me a new Jonny cash cd....i think i love him again...
[22:59:52] <alex_joni> hello
[23:00:52] <dmess> boy named Sue... i love it.. 1 piece at a time....
[23:39:55] <alex_joni> jepler: are you around?
[23:41:28] <Jymmm> alex_joni ask him afrer dinner
[23:41:37] <alex_joni> dinner?
[23:41:43] <alex_joni> ain't it a bit early for that?
[23:42:04] <Jymmm> oh no.... almost 1600 in Calif
[23:42:18] <Jymmm> Christmas dinner
[23:42:18] <alex_joni> like I said.. a bit early
[23:42:36] <alex_joni> does that start at 1600?
[23:43:07] <Jymmm> could start at 1400 even
[23:43:22] <Jymmm> depends on your tradition
[23:43:49] <Jymmm> buffet style where you eat a lil all day long, or everyone sits for one huge meal
[23:44:13] <alex_joni> right.. over here it's usually after 1900
[23:45:26] <Jymmm> well, the early dinner I suspect is to get out of the kitchen bfore 0200
[23:45:35] <Jymmm> (cleanup)
[23:45:55] <alex_joni> so.. what are you planning?
[23:46:25] <Jymmm> turkey breast, sweet potoatoes, stuffing, cranberries
[23:46:37] <alex_joni> the traditionals.. nice
[23:46:51] <alex_joni> almost the same over here :D
[23:47:13] <Jymmm> it wasn't very good for soem reason
[23:47:18] <alex_joni> :/
[23:47:40] <Jymmm> no clue either... nothing that we haven't had/made/ate before.
[23:48:13] <Jymmm> should gine with the pork roast slow cooked on the grill =)
[23:48:16] <Jymmm> gone
[23:50:57] <Jymmm> tasty stuff =)
[23:51:39] <alex_joni> heh