#emc | Logs for 2005-12-23

[00:01:12] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ plays Spandau Ballet through the barricades lyrics. ...
[00:11:27] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ play elton john candle in the wind
[00:11:30] <Jacky^> :*
[00:14:07] <Jacky^> run baby ruuun :D
[00:14:56] <Jacky^> Jymmm: we got the fun at the end :)
[00:17:17] <Jacky^> K4ts:are you around ?
[00:17:51] <K4ts> what'
[00:18:00] <K4ts> around?
[00:18:04] <Jacky^> wow you there ? :P
[00:18:12] <Jacky^> intorno
[00:18:41] <K4ts> i m in the pal
[00:19:00] <Jacky^> what are you listen now ?
[00:19:17] <Jacky^> guns roses ? O_O
[00:19:29] <Jacky^> :D
[00:20:21] <Jacky^> wow greattt
[00:20:30] <K4ts> yes
[00:20:34] <Jacky^> this is really greaaat
[00:20:52] <Jacky^> we can share our music :D
[00:23:50] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ play bob dylan knock knocking on heavens door
[00:23:54] <dmess> merry x-mass ... last day of work .... ;) .. not scrapped 60 -70 thousand dollars ... before noon... ;(
[00:24:10] <Jacky^> hi dmess merry xmass to youuu
[00:24:19] <K4ts> dmess: well
[00:24:26] <Jacky^> :D
[00:24:34] <dmess> should have called in a MESS day
[00:24:34] <K4ts> no work!
[00:25:30] <Jacky^> K4ts: peace and love !
[00:25:33] <Jacky^> :D
[00:25:34] <dmess> no last nites shift should have been cancelled
[00:25:56] <Jacky^> what ?
[00:26:32] <dmess> im trying SOOOO HARD to get into the Peace - love..
[00:26:51] <Jacky^> ugh ! why ?
[00:26:55] <Jymmm> dmess: boose.... lots and lots of boose
[00:27:38] <dmess> workin on the booze bit now.... but still carrying my worst day on this job
[00:27:41] <Jacky^> K4ts: dmess is sayng its hard to get peace and love
[00:27:52] <Jacky^> dou you really believe him ?
[00:28:22] <dmess> no my peace and love are here within this home
[00:28:39] <K4ts> sigh
[00:28:51] <Jacky^> K4ts: sigh !!??
[00:28:57] <dmess> but a REALLY BAD WEEK bites
[00:28:57] <Jacky^> what sigh !!??
[00:29:05] <Jacky^> :/
[00:29:27] <Jacky^> nahh K4ts help me
[00:29:27] <K4ts> REALLY BAD WEEK
[00:30:00] <Jacky^> dmess: ok.. I can explain all to you
[00:30:02] <dmess> we scraped 70 k today.... before noon...
[00:30:20] <Jacky^> its a bad week just because K4ts lost a puppy dog
[00:30:31] <Jacky^> but the world go on right ?
[00:30:49] <Jacky^> thats what I think
[00:32:38] <dmess> thats BITES... i lost one a while back and acquired 2 since... love DOES follow.. and catcht up... ; ) im sorry to hear K4ts.. chin up please
[00:33:07] <Jacky^> tziOm has joined tziOm has quit tziOm has joined .. all in 10 sec ?
[00:33:21] <Jacky^> what are tziOm doing ? :(
[00:33:29] <tziOm> dunno.. my ircclient
[00:33:42] <Jacky^> M$ client ?
[00:33:54] <tziOm> no.. X-chat
[00:34:01] <Jacky^> for windows ?
[00:34:02] <tziOm> no msanything here
[00:34:57] <Jacky^> K4ts: you agreed ?
[00:35:09] <K4ts> cosa accetto?
[00:35:20] <K4ts> query
[00:35:30] <Jacky^> the terms of license
[00:35:37] <Jacky^> again :/
[00:35:49] <Jacky^> tziOm has
[00:35:51] <Jacky^> quit
[00:35:57] <dmess> SI... thats spanish
[00:35:59] <Jacky^> :(��
[00:36:16] <K4ts> 0_0
[00:36:21] <Jacky^> :D
[00:36:37] <dmess> little birdies tell no lies...
[00:36:49] <Jacky^> :-)
[00:37:41] <dmess> sohow here LIKES x-mas??
[00:37:49] <dmess> who
[00:37:58] <Jacky^> hey rayh :)))
[00:38:13] <rayh> Hello Jacky^
[00:38:16] <dmess> hello rayh
[00:38:17] <Jacky^> dmess: K4ts likes xmas i think
[00:38:28] <Jacky^> im too
[00:38:41] <dmess> why
[00:38:52] <Jacky^> why im lucky
[00:39:02] <Jacky^> because im lucky
[00:39:07] <dmess> oh i see
[00:39:11] <Jacky^> :)
[00:39:23] <Jacky^> kidding ..
[00:39:38] <Jacky^> just because to be happy mean to be lucky
[00:39:39] <dmess> you dont have 3 kids do you??
[00:39:42] <Jacky^> that why
[00:40:08] <Jacky^> no .. ivent
[00:40:30] <K4ts> quest year I hate on Christmas
[00:40:36] <dmess> i do .. its ALOT OF FUM,,,, trust me
[00:41:01] <Jacky^> dmess: nahhhhhhh
[00:41:04] <dmess> K4??
[00:41:14] <Jacky^> well first thing
[00:41:31] <Jacky^> we need to look at xmas with the right ottic
[00:41:40] <K4ts> na
[00:41:52] <Jacky^> xmas is not for consumers only
[00:42:07] <Jacky^> its not only to eat to fun
[00:42:12] <dmess> my sons build BDI boxes from boxes of parts,,, i LOVE my sons
[00:42:30] <Jacky^> xmas should be to stay with our family and be happy
[00:42:42] <Jacky^> thats the first mean of xmas
[00:42:53] <Jacky^> but we lost it ..
[00:43:00] <K4ts> christmas is good when one is little
[00:43:04] <Jacky^> I agrred
[00:43:25] <Jacky^> xmas is happy when is poor
[00:43:29] <dmess> our family still starts the eve of x-mass
[00:44:22] <dmess> and its an anything goes ,,, lets have FUN...
[00:45:03] <K4ts> I was hoping in a native one with the person whom I instead love I will have to expect
[00:45:12] <dmess> skiing... bowling.. kiteskiing,,, wintercamping
[00:45:50] <dmess> WHY K4
[00:45:51] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ nods
[00:46:32] <Jacky^> dmess: because we are humans
[00:46:42] <Jacky^> we need to believe in something
[00:47:01] <Jacky^> just to go on
[00:47:07] <K4ts> I feel very alone even if I am from my sister they are instead everybody with their partners and I only
[00:48:27] <K4ts> When I was little instead the Christmas climate was heard even if there were not many eases as today
[00:48:33] <dmess> be happy K4ts peel one one of their mates... ;)
[00:49:07] <Jacky^> ?
[00:49:13] <Jacky^> :(
[00:49:44] <Jacky^> K4ts: are you ?
[00:49:52] <K4ts> what?
[00:49:56] <dmess> any one ever done any human factors training??
[00:50:28] <Jacky^> dmess: but.. thats a question like
[00:50:44] <Jacky^> is the uviverse infinite or not ?
[00:51:02] <Jacky^> you believe in that or not
[00:51:18] <Jacky^> are we sayng the same thing ?
[00:51:24] <dmess> the average human makes 400 mistakes EVERY day AT work only
[00:52:03] <Jacky^> yeah..
[00:52:10] <Jacky^> so ?
[00:52:31] <dmess> the univers IS infinite... from OUR perspective... of course
[00:52:57] <Jacky^> can you expalin it to me ?
[00:53:14] <K4ts> peccato che non possa capire questo discorso
[00:53:15] <Jacky^> explain*
[00:53:22] <dmess> you dont fly unpowered aircraft ... do ya...
[00:53:42] <Jacky^> K4ts: parliamo del relativismo, einstein :)
[00:54:03] <dmess> their IS no END....
[00:54:11] <Jacky^> sure ?
[00:54:34] <rayh> einstein said that he'd heard that the universe and stupidity were boundless
[00:54:42] <rayh> but he was not certain about the universe.
[00:54:49] <Jacky^> hehhe
[00:55:05] <Jacky^> I was waiting rayh reply ! :P
[00:55:09] <dmess> so assuming proper pulse drive...
[00:55:16] <Jacky^> rayh: great :)
[00:55:54] <K4ts> greats ma io no understand sigh
[00:56:02] <rayh> I tend to agree with einstein that stupidity IS boundless.
[00:56:04] <Jacky^> K4ts: do you know rayh ?
[00:56:16] <K4ts> of name yes
[00:56:17] <rayh> Hi K4
[00:56:29] <K4ts> hi rayh
[00:56:52] <K4ts> my translator
[00:57:06] <K4ts> is goooooo
[00:57:06] <dmess> it is feasable to fly to the ends of a bounded universe....
[00:57:36] <K4ts> I fly with mente
[00:57:39] <dmess> its a high risk mission,,
[00:57:48] <Jacky^> yeah
[00:57:52] <K4ts> solo!
[00:58:12] <dmess> only way to go... solo
[00:58:21] <K4ts> only yes
[00:58:28] <rayh> This kites or gliders?
[00:59:00] <dmess> the last guy did it in a power launched glider
[00:59:14] <K4ts> what is eternity dmess ?
[00:59:23] <K4ts> for you?
[00:59:39] <dmess> just around the corner K4ts
[01:00:06] <K4ts> mi spaventa come si dice?
[01:00:15] <Jacky^> K4ts: is a song by robyn williams ? :P
[01:00:36] <K4ts> no Jacky^
[01:01:05] <Jacky^> oh.. mi spaventa ? im worried
[01:01:16] <Jacky^> worry about it
[01:01:21] <dmess> find "Forever Young" by Allphaville
[01:01:27] <Jacky^> :)
[01:01:43] <Jacky^> or see Highlander film :D
[01:01:49] <K4ts> find = cerca?
[01:01:53] <Jacky^> yes
[01:02:16] <dmess> alphaville
[01:02:31] <Jacky^> dmess: I know :)
[01:02:47] <Jacky^> who wants to live forever
[01:02:58] <Jacky^> by freddy mercury
[01:03:04] <Jacky^> you know it ?
[01:03:10] <dmess> "let's not just die... let last for a while
[01:03:21] <K4ts> mah
[01:03:36] <Jacky^> K4ts: whats ?
[01:03:45] <dmess> heaven can wait we're only watchin the sky..
[01:04:10] <Jacky^> oh.. nice
[01:04:11] <dmess> hopin' for best but expecting the worst
[01:04:27] <Jacky^> no
[01:04:33] <dmess> are you gonna drop the bomb or not
[01:04:39] <Jacky^> I dont like think so
[01:05:24] <Jacky^> rayh: what you think about it ?
[01:05:49] <dmess> let us die young or let us live forever we dont have the power but we never say never
[01:06:23] <rayh> Recently I just take life one day at a time.
[01:06:48] <rayh> Doctor says to not eat so much salt
[01:06:53] <dmess> youth like diamonds say som and diamonds are forever...
[01:07:03] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ 100% agreed with rayh
[01:07:06] <rayh> but i tell him I drive much to fast to worry about eating salt
[01:07:07] <Jacky^> really
[01:07:19] <K4ts> beato te rayh
[01:07:33] <Jacky^> theres no time
[01:07:42] <Jacky^> thats waht is true
[01:07:55] <Jacky^> I think were candle in the wind
[01:07:59] <Jacky^> baut
[01:08:03] <Jacky^> but
[01:08:14] <Jacky^> umpf
[01:08:15] <rayh> Elton John -- candle
[01:08:19] <Jacky^> yeah
[01:08:44] <dmess> no candles.... we are flares... pointable and mobile
[01:09:12] <K4ts> I go to sleep
[01:09:12] <rayh> It is only fame that is so fragile as a candle's flame.
[01:09:21] <Jacky^> dmess: where to point at ?
[01:09:23] <K4ts> questi discorsi m demoralizzano
[01:09:37] <K4ts> Jacky^: traduci
[01:09:51] <K4ts> night
[01:10:25] <Jacky^> K4ts: go ?
[01:10:37] <rayh> see you K4ts
[01:10:50] <K4ts> discorsi demoralizzanti
[01:10:56] <Jacky^> ok
[01:11:07] <Jacky^> g nite K4ts
[01:11:33] <K4ts> g night rayh
[01:11:48] <K4ts> night dmess
[01:12:43] <Jacky^> night K4ts
[01:14:12] <Jacky^> ugh .. who remain here ?
[01:14:15] <Jacky^> :(
[01:14:36] <Jacky^> dmess: still there ?
[01:16:39] <Jacky^> Jymmm: you there ?
[01:17:51] <Jacky^> sic .. am I the only surviver ??
[02:43:20] <Jacky^> G night
[02:43:28] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[04:03:15] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[04:14:04] <CIA-16> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/emc/task/ (emccanon.cc emctaskmain.cc):
[04:14:04] <CIA-16> Basic preliminary fix for bug 1385242 (AXIS_* accel limits are not
[04:14:04] <CIA-16> honored for coordinated moves)
[04:48:09] <CIA-16> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/ (scripts/emc.in tcl/bin/setupconfig.tcl): more work on the config picker, and also on the run script - the run script now calls the picker to validate an ini passed on the command line, or to get an ini from the user if none was specified
[05:39:25] <CIA-16> 03paul_c * 10emc2-auto/wiki/ (13 files in 9 dirs): "Auto update wiki from a cron job. Fri Dec 23 05:30:01 GMT 2005 "
[06:22:50] <tfmacz> Can Anyone help me get emc2 to run on my Toshiba Laptop?
[06:39:24] <LawrenceG> tfmacz: hey Ted... whats up.... its very quiet in here this evening
[06:41:20] <LawrenceG> cradek: Ted could use a hand..... he has built emc2, and the run script is reporting errors relating to shmem
[06:41:55] <LawrenceG> I am not sure if its a config problem or a module that is failing to install.
[06:44:05] <LawrenceG> g'nite.... going to bed
[06:46:26] <tfmacz> Hi Lawrence. Quitting already. Talk to you tomorrow.
[14:06:22] <cradek> good morning
[14:07:10] <alex_joni> hey chris
[14:07:14] <cradek> hi alex
[14:07:17] <alex_joni> punctual as always ;)
[14:07:22] <cradek> haha
[14:07:32] <cradek> I was running a bit early today for some reason
[14:07:37] <alex_joni> [16:00] <cradek> good morning
[14:07:39] <cradek> I think I got out of bed on time for once
[14:07:46] <cradek> 08:06:20 < cradek> good morning
[14:07:51] <cradek> you need to set your clock!
[14:08:19] <alex_joni> right
[14:08:23] <alex_joni> [16:08] <alex_joni> right
[14:08:30] <cradek> there you go
[14:08:33] <alex_joni> suspend / resume seems to mess with it
[14:08:34] <alex_joni> :D
[14:08:58] <alex_joni> YAY
[14:08:59] <cradek> I must be anal that way - all my system clocks have to be synched to ntp
[14:09:11] <alex_joni> svn will be coming along on SF
[14:09:19] <alex_joni> As we enter a new calendar year, our focus remains on further
[14:09:19] <alex_joni> improving the quality of our service. To that end, I am pleased to
[14:09:19] <alex_joni> announce that SourceForge.net will offer Subversion in early January
[14:09:19] <alex_joni> 2006, initially as a beta program available to approximately 50
[14:09:19] <alex_joni> projects. Then, if the Subversion beta period proceeds as smoothly as
[14:09:19] <alex_joni> we expect, we will deploy Subversion site wide by March, 2006.
[14:09:27] <cradek> brb
[14:39:24] <alex_joni> I'm off.. gone home
[14:39:26] <alex_joni> later guys
[15:05:12] <jepler> cradek: Subversion is the one Jon said all the cool kids use now.
[15:05:23] <cradek> yeah...
[15:05:44] <jepler> 08:06:20 <cradek> good morning
[15:05:51] <jepler> looks like our clocks agree pretty well, cradek
[15:06:11] <cradek> that's not a big surprise
[15:07:01] <jepler> I'm a tiny bit surprised that the total latency, you -> IRC server -> me, is not bigger than a second
[15:07:15] <cradek> I must have sent it early in the second...
[15:25:07] <cradek> skunkworks: I checked in a fix for your accel problem
[15:25:17] <skunkworks> Cradek - just got the sourceforge email - thanks - I will try it today
[15:25:22] <skunkworks> thanks
[15:25:25] <cradek> great
[15:25:50] <skunkworks> was it harder than you thought?
[15:28:21] <skunkworks> or did it go pretty smooth?
[15:32:32] <cradek> well, I did a very easy fix and avoided all the hard stuff
[15:32:42] <cradek> but the infrastructure is there to do the more correct fix now
[15:33:06] <skunkworks> ;) what ever works - thanks again. Nice work.
[15:33:54] <cradek> I think you can currently get an acceleration that is lower than the maximum possible by a factor of sqrt(3)
[15:34:04] <cradek> (in the move from 0,0,0 to 1,1,1)
[15:34:13] <cradek> but that's better than an accel that's too high all the time
[15:34:36] <skunkworks> right
[15:35:01] <skunkworks> are you doing the "final solution" or is that going to be passsed to someone else?
[15:35:42] <cradek> I'll probably do it
[15:36:03] <cradek> but alex is worried about all the extra messages that would be required
[15:36:23] <cradek> this fix causes very few new messages, but the "right" fix I have in mind would cause a new message for nearly every move
[15:36:43] <cradek> I'm not sure accel is so critical that it's worthwhile to do that
[15:37:11] <cradek> so I'm tempted to leave it the way it is now
[15:37:16] <skunkworks> I don't understand "messages" is it between prgram moduals?
[15:37:48] <cradek> yes the messages are the "results" of interpreting the g-code
[15:38:04] <skunkworks> ah - ok
[15:38:13] <cradek> the messages in question are "set velocity" "move to x,y,z,a,b,c" and the new one "set acceleration"
[15:38:41] <skunkworks> btw - the people I have shown axis to are very impressed - again nice work.
[15:38:49] <cradek> almost every move to x,y,z,a,b,c will have a different max possible acceleration depending on the move's direction
[15:39:05] <cradek> cool, that's great to hear
[15:39:13] <cradek> we're really happy with how it has turned out too
[15:39:48] <skunkworks> makes sense - (I have it in the back of my head how this is working as I have written motion software quite a few years ago) just a bit fuzzy
[15:41:15] <skunkworks> I need to go - have to change belts in the subaru. I will be cvs-ing it later this morning I think. should be fun. thanks again
[15:42:19] <cradek> welcome
[16:09:43] <cradek> morning les
[16:11:04] <les_w> hi cris
[16:11:11] <les_w> chris
[16:12:03] <les_w> just getting some office stuff done until it warms up a bit
[16:12:15] <les_w> amazing dryness here
[16:12:37] <les_w> in the aftrnoon expect 55 degrees with 15 degree dewpoint
[16:12:53] <lep> <skunkworks> I need to go - have to change belts in the subaru.
[16:12:57] <lep> sweet someone else that drives a subaru
[16:13:03] <lep> too bad he's gone now
[16:13:04] <lep> haha
[16:13:27] <cradek> do any modern cars have more than one belt?
[16:13:31] <les_w> weird to see frost on the ground in shady areas when it is above 50
[16:14:06] <les_w> Don't bring up cars :0 still shopping.
[16:14:08] <les_w> haha
[16:14:25] <lep> my legacy has 3 belts. two timing belts, one serpentine belt
[16:14:29] <cradek> try a volkswagen
[16:14:37] <lep> xt6 has two belts.. timing belt and serpentine belt
[16:14:45] <cradek> oh, I wasn't counting timing belts
[16:14:51] <lep> neither are "modern" I guess though.. 1991 and 1989 respectively
[16:15:32] <cradek> always stick to 93 or newer so you get R134
[16:15:46] <les_w> Sadly I have decided to give up on my favorite...German cars.
[16:15:59] <les_w> They are just too unreliable.
[16:16:04] <cradek> really? I have my first one and it's nice
[16:16:18] <cradek> yeah, I hear that's the case, I hope I don't live to regret it
[16:16:22] <les_w> yeah your passat or jetta?
[16:16:29] <cradek> a GTI
[16:16:29] <lep> my legacy was r134a retrofitted when I bought it :D
[16:16:47] <les_w> I studied the data and it's just a horror story.
[16:16:49] <cradek> lep: I thought that didn't really work very well
[16:17:00] <lep> works fine.. except the clutch on my compressor is going bad hehe
[16:17:09] <les_w> If you are near a dealer for warranty work np
[16:17:10] <lep> shoots ice into your face on full blast
[16:17:19] <les_w> I am 100 miles from a dealer.
[16:17:39] <cradek> les_w: what's a warranty?
[16:18:01] <les_w> heh
[16:18:29] <cradek> I read the least reliable car of 2005 was a $50k luxury SUV
[16:18:36] <cradek> infinity something?
[16:18:52] <les_w> Now looking at infiniti. Too many gadgets though.
[16:19:01] <les_w> but may buy one.
[16:19:04] <lep> hm
[16:19:07] <lep> I wish I had some money
[16:19:09] <les_w> looking at Q45.
[16:19:11] <cradek> every major system, including brakes, was rated 1/5 stars or something like that
[16:19:17] <cradek> how can you get brakes wrong??
[16:19:19] <lep> I'd buy a newer subaru.. probably a saabaru for the cheaper insurance
[16:21:27] <les_w> hte infiniti seems to have the least objectionable styling...still stongly prefer the looks of VAG cars
[16:22:48] <cradek> what is VAG?
[16:23:08] <les_w> Volkswagen Audi Group
[16:23:57] <cradek> still trying to find a photo of a Q45
[16:24:19] <les_w> it's a stoggy old man car.
[16:24:27] <les_w> i have pictures.
[16:24:29] <les_w> a sec
[16:24:41] <cradek> I should be able to find them on infiniti.com
[16:24:48] <cradek> if not for all the flash applets
[16:25:20] <cradek> ah
[16:25:25] <cradek> it looks like ... a car
[16:25:58] <cradek> they're starting the "make the windows so short we can't see out, but we think we look cool" styling
[16:26:58] <lep> hehe
[16:27:17] <cradek> I dunno les, I have a hard time imagining loving this car
[16:27:25] <cradek> maybe we're not the same :-)
[16:27:50] <cradek> to me, it looks like a great rental car
[16:28:02] <les_w> looks like an audi a8
[16:28:11] <cradek> Base MSRP $56,400
[16:28:13] <les_w> some
[16:28:17] <cradek> holy effing crap
[16:28:31] <cradek> you can get two great cars for that
[16:28:32] <les_w> I am looking at couple year old CPO cars
[16:28:39] <les_w> about 25k
[16:28:45] <les_w> 4 year warranty
[16:28:46] <cradek> much more like it
[16:29:12] <cradek> 4.5 liter is a pretty big engine nowadays
[16:29:19] <les_w> I just need a comfortable cruiser for business trips
[16:29:30] <les_w> I don't need such a big engine
[16:29:49] <cradek> 17/23 mpg - yeah right.
[16:30:02] <cradek> my ass
[16:30:10] <les_w> people report 20 onthe highway
[16:30:18] <les_w> very low in town though
[16:30:19] <cradek> have you read about how they test mpg in the US?
[16:30:29] <cradek> on a treadmill at 60mph (no wind resistance)
[16:30:34] <les_w> well...lie?
[16:30:35] <les_w> haha
[16:30:38] <cradek> seriously
[16:30:45] <cradek> those numbers are total bullshit
[16:30:48] <les_w> i believe it
[16:31:11] <les_w> so...basically a pretty boring car....
[16:31:35] <les_w> but so quiet the starter has to be locked out by the computer
[16:31:41] <cradek> heh
[16:31:44] <cradek> that would be nice
[16:31:48] <les_w> can't tell if the engine is running or not
[16:31:58] <cradek> my vw has a mechanical lockout for (I guess) the same reason
[16:32:02] <cradek> it's also very quiet at idle
[16:32:25] <cradek> idles at only 600rpm, but perfectly smooth
[16:32:30] <les_w> the interior is nice...
[16:32:38] <lep> sorry, my subaru has the wonderful "boxer growl"
[16:32:38] <lep> hehe
[16:32:41] <lep> not so quiet anymore
[16:32:50] <cradek> lep: try a muffler :-)
[16:32:54] <lep> got one
[16:33:05] <les_w> http://infiniti.jbcarpages.com/Q/2002/Bilder/Bild17.php
[16:33:18] <lep> it got a lot louder after I used the catalytic converter as a skidplate and broke the welds... and therefore took it out and put in a straight pipe :/
[16:33:23] <les_w> not as nice as audi or VW though
[16:33:44] <les_w> WAY old man stuff eh?
[16:34:02] <cradek> yep, pretty old
[16:34:11] <les_w> cough
[16:34:17] <cradek> if I was getting an old man car, I'd want one with the shifter on the wheel so that console area can be opened up
[16:34:33] <cradek> I like the extra legroom
[16:34:47] <cradek> I don't know why they're going to that center console even on big cars
[16:35:08] <les_w> icould keep the BMW when I have spells of not feeling old...
[16:35:32] <les_w> then use the grandpamobile for travel
[16:35:51] <cradek> sometimes when I go on a long trip I rent a big car
[16:36:04] <les_w> has many silly gadjets
[16:36:09] <cradek> you can do a lot of trips in a rental for $25k
[16:36:10] <les_w> voice recognition
[16:36:12] <les_w> gps
[16:36:19] <les_w> tv camera in rear
[16:36:25] <cradek> haha
[16:36:31] <cradek> that's all silly
[16:36:39] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[16:36:40] <les_w> yeah
[16:36:42] <Jacky^> halo
[16:36:49] <dmess> allo
[16:36:53] <les_w> hi jacky
[16:37:16] <Jacky^> les_w: does it have a girl in topless too ? :D
[16:37:24] <lep> I've got lots of car projects in line...
[16:37:51] <les_w> also...titanium valves...variable induction tuning...variable cam timing
[16:38:06] <cradek> and still only 17mpg!
[16:38:10] <cradek> brb
[16:38:29] <les_w> jacky, expensive cars always have topless girls sooner or later.
[16:38:35] <lep> going to put in front/rear limited slip differentials
[16:38:35] <Jacky^> les_w: found the right car to buy ?
[16:38:44] <Jacky^> hehe
[16:38:54] <les_w> aw still looking at old man cars.
[16:39:28] <Jacky^> old but good ;) nice idea.. yeah
[16:39:59] <les_w> heh
[16:40:17] <dmess> http://www.off-road.com/rock/reviews/Rhino-RTV/
[16:40:27] <dmess> check that out les
[16:40:29] <lep> yeah
[16:40:39] <lep> I know a guy that built a rhino buggy with subaru ea82 engine
[16:40:50] <lep> pretty sweet
[16:41:06] <les_w> oh neat
[16:41:58] <dmess> their site has some awsome video too
[16:45:04] <les_w> well, I'll just be driving tractors today. I'm taking off, but one of my workers and I are starting on the glof course
[16:45:12] <les_w> golf
[16:45:16] <les_w> glof haha
[16:45:27] <dmess> that buggy uses a honda engine and trans axle mounted in line to feed 2 diffs
[16:47:27] <Jacky^> les_w: here a car after 25 years can be written in the list of epoch cars and take a great advantage in tax to pay, just 15-20 %
[16:48:11] <lep> http://www.ultimatesubaru.net/photos/showphoto.php?photo=9077&sort=1&cat=500&page=1
[16:48:14] <lep> rhino buggy with subaru engine
[16:48:28] <lep> engine and drivetrain
[16:48:41] <lep> I think that's one of the earlier models
[16:49:25] <dmess> must be... ; )
[16:50:09] <dmess> http://www.rhino-offroad.com/
[16:50:33] <lep> yeah they're alot crazier now
[16:50:35] <lep> hehe
[16:50:45] <les_w> keep it up with rides like that...perhaps you can talk me out of buying a grandpamobile
[16:51:01] <lep> time for lunch break
[16:51:02] <lep> bbiaf
[16:51:11] <dmess> chec kout the videos???
[16:51:25] <les_w> no...I'll look now
[16:51:47] <dmess> moab utah is a good one
[16:55:00] <alex_joni> ho ho ho
[16:56:46] <les_w> hi alex
[16:56:52] <alex_joni> hey les
[16:57:15] <Jacky^> ciao alex_joni :)
[16:57:28] <alex_joni> ciao giacomo
[16:57:36] <Jacky^> hehe
[16:57:49] <alex_joni> is that gioco in short form?
[16:58:04] <Jacky^> no..
[16:58:29] <Jacky^> there's no abbreviation for that name
[16:58:45] <alex_joni> ok
[16:58:50] <Jacky^> Giueppe (Joseph) has many variants
[16:59:00] <Jacky^> Pino, Peppe,Beppe ..
[16:59:11] <les_w> well I am of to ride my atv...it is 4WD with hydraulic steering too...the tractor.
[16:59:13] <Jacky^> but not the mine
[17:00:09] <Jacky^> I just received pack nr 4 of mi I-droid robot yesterday ..
[17:00:36] <Jacky^> with the sound follower board, it doesnt work sigh..
[17:01:46] <Jacky^> it have 2 supply, 7 and 3 V, when turn on the 3 V go down to zero ..
[17:02:01] <Jacky^> and the battery become hot after some minut
[17:02:10] <Jacky^> I think the board in in short
[17:02:12] <Jacky^> :/
[17:03:44] <les_w> hey where did cradek go? I need him to talk me out of buying old man cars.
[17:03:53] <alex_joni> he's still here
[17:04:02] <alex_joni> cradek: you turned invisible to les_w :D
[17:04:13] <cradek> who me?
[17:04:30] <alex_joni> yeah, you.. but I still can't see you :D
[17:04:30] <cradek> les_w: go get your glasses and look for me again
[17:04:44] <cradek> les_w: DO YOU NEED US TO TALK LOUDER?
[17:04:52] <alex_joni> guess you won't talk him out of "buying old man cars" now
[17:04:53] <cradek> hahaha
[17:04:55] <alex_joni> ROFLMAO
[17:05:05] <alex_joni> les_w: no offence ...
[17:05:32] <les_w> sorry i'm old I guess...look at frumpy cars...need reading glasses... have to start wearing front button sweaters
[17:05:41] <cradek> (actually I have no idea how old les is...)
[17:05:50] <les_w> cough
[17:05:52] <les_w> 53.
[17:06:05] <cradek> oh good, I would have felt bad if you were actually old
[17:06:10] <Jacky^> wooo les_w :)
[17:06:21] <Jacky^> youre young my friend :P
[17:06:22] <les_w> I will be if I get that ride.
[17:06:32] <les_w> old
[17:06:36] <cradek> naah
[17:06:37] <alex_joni> les_w: get a mustang
[17:06:39] <cradek> it's not like that
[17:06:45] <alex_joni> eleanor
[17:06:52] <cradek> alex_joni: they suck, I just got rid of mine
[17:06:53] <les_w> ford?
[17:07:00] <les_w> I have a ford pickup
[17:07:15] <alex_joni> cradek: shelby GT 500
[17:07:19] <cradek> I have an (older) bronco which is just great, but I hated the mustang
[17:07:29] <alex_joni> http://www.billsclassiccars.com/thumbnails/eleanor.jpg
[17:07:35] <cradek> alex_joni: ok, I had a base model
[17:07:38] <les_w> oh just sold '66 bronco sport to a collector
[17:07:45] <cradek> neat
[17:07:53] <les_w> first year
[17:07:55] <cradek> those are the smaller boxy ones?
[17:08:00] <cradek> they're very cool
[17:08:13] <les_w> yeah...fold down windshield...removable top
[17:08:25] <cradek> but with our higher speed limits today those old 3-speeds are no good
[17:08:26] <les_w> no doors
[17:08:31] <Jacky^> wow, we have the woman more old of EU in lavagna: tomorrow the birthday 114 years old :D
[17:08:56] <les_w> my grandma is 98.
[17:09:14] <les_w> She thinks infiniti Q looks old fashioned.
[17:09:21] <les_w> haha
[17:09:23] <Jacky^> les_w: nicee :)
[17:09:32] <alex_joni> yup, nice
[17:09:41] <alex_joni> cradek: I found a car I love ..
[17:09:57] <alex_joni> http://www.skoda-auto.com/global/showroom/concepts/yetiII/
[17:10:03] <alex_joni> too bad it's a concept car :((
[17:10:08] <alex_joni> not for sale .. bummer
[17:10:42] <les_w> neat neat neat
[17:11:06] <Jacky^> les_w: this woman is born in 24 dec. 1891
[17:11:23] <Jacky^> was
[17:11:36] <Jacky^> seems incredible
[17:12:00] <les_w> yes my grandma born 1907
[17:12:05] <Jacky^> she have seen all 1900 :)
[17:12:57] <les_w> yup
[17:13:00] <dmess> way cool...
[17:13:06] <alex_joni> Jacky^: so has google
[17:13:19] <Jacky^> alex_joni: http://www.ansa.it/main/notizie/fdg/200512231634225029/200512231634225029.html
[17:14:01] <Jacky^> uuhuh
[17:14:10] <Jacky^> the son name is Giacomo :P
[17:14:17] <Jacky^> 83 years old
[17:14:38] <Jacky^> the other is 80 years old
[17:14:47] <alex_joni> that's Jacky^ in disguise
[17:14:57] <Jacky^> :)
[17:15:45] <Jacky^> I recently read some statistic, it say Italian peoples live 3 years more of sweeden people
[17:15:57] <Jacky^> probably for food we use ..
[17:16:24] <lep> hehe
[17:16:30] <lep> my girlfriend's unle is 95
[17:16:34] <lep> uncle
[17:16:41] <lep> crazy guy, lots of stoires
[17:16:42] <Jacky^> :P
[17:16:45] <lep> grr, stories
[17:17:01] <dmess> my grandmother just turned 90 on the 18th
[17:17:56] <dmess> i missed the party ...6hrs north
[17:19:41] <lep> :/
[17:24:03] <Jacky^> yes, I think the secret is in a good feeding before all
[17:24:31] <Jacky^> mountains air and cold may help too
[17:25:39] <Jacky^> look at what is happening with the food now: http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2005/12/stones_for_breakfast.html#comments
[17:25:53] <Jacky^> were eating metal :/
[17:26:00] <Jacky^> everywhere
[17:26:18] <Jacky^> Iron, Chromium, Silicon, Aluminium, Titanium
[17:26:37] <Jacky^> thats the progress.. :(
[17:27:33] <Jacky^> Salatini Tiny Rold Gold (USA): Iron, Chromium, Nickel (that is steel), Aluminium
[17:29:55] <Jacky^> found where to get materials for free to machining pieces with the cnc :P
[17:33:25] <jepler> Chromium: Helps to maintain normal blood glucose levels. US RDA 35 micrograms/day for adult males.
[17:33:53] <alex_joni> jepler: not mentioning Iron, which is also very good
[17:33:58] <Jacky^> jepler: i agreed with you, in some case is a good thing
[17:34:07] <alex_joni> only Alu is known to cause Alzheimer, but besides that.. it's light and strong :D
[17:34:18] <jepler> Nickel: No clear biological function in humans have been identified. May serve as a cofactor of enzymes. No US RDA.
[17:34:41] <jepler> Silicon: Involved in bone function in animal studies. No US RDA.
[17:34:41] <SWP_Away> Iron - *very* good for you, in moderation ;)
[17:34:56] <Jacky^> hehehe
[17:35:28] <alex_joni> SWP_Away:: just stay away from those car junk yards, where they use those big electromagnets
[17:35:28] <alex_joni> ROFL
[17:35:37] <cradek> alex_joni: Al is not known to cause alzheimers
[17:35:37] <Jacky^> you know recently we had a scandal about ITX too
[17:35:38] <SWP_Away> moderation is the key
[17:35:44] <SWP_Away> also the mthod of application
[17:35:47] <SWP_Away> method
[17:35:54] <SWP_Away> ie, rusty nails aren't that good for you
[17:36:01] <cradek> alex_joni: alzheimers brains show a higher concentration of Al
[17:36:09] <Jacky^> ITX is a poison found in many commercial products as Milk for babies
[17:36:34] <SWP_Away> well - who wants all those babies around? :)
[17:36:35] <Jacky^> is like an ink
[17:36:58] <jepler> http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/Facts_about_dementia/Risk_factors/info_aluminium.htm
[17:37:06] <jepler> "There is circumstantial evidence linking this metal with Alzheimer's disease but no causal relationship has yet been proved. As evidence for other causes continues to grow, a possible link with aluminium seems increasingly unlikely."
[17:37:13] <jepler> (but of course other websites say the opposite)
[17:37:19] <Jacky^> the nice thing is that a guy of 15 years old discovered the itx, examining many products
[17:37:29] <Jacky^> nice or strange.. :(
[17:37:37] <cradek> jepler: of course
[17:37:42] <SWP_Away> how do they get a mini-motherboard into milk?
[17:37:45] <dmess> coloring.. as for aluminum...its true... ive eaten WAY tooo much of it
[17:38:28] <jepler> Too much tofu induces ‘brain aging,' study shows
[17:39:36] <alex_joni> heh
[17:39:39] <fenn> life is a terminal illness, study shows
[17:39:59] <dmess> nobody gets out alive..
[17:40:09] <cradek> death rate holding steady at 100%
[17:40:09] <fenn> (statistical study of course)
[17:40:43] <alex_joni> cradek: not quite 100%
[17:40:55] <fenn> yeah what about jesus?
[17:40:57] <alex_joni> there are some frozen vegetables out there, that try to reduce the numbers
[17:41:06] <alex_joni> frozen lemmings
[17:41:16] <fenn> bacteria in salt crystals
[17:41:34] <alex_joni> fenn: talking about people here
[17:41:34] <alex_joni> :D
[17:41:45] <fenn> vegetables are people? what next, vegetable rights?
[17:42:01] <fenn> oh wait you mean like frozen people
[17:42:02] <alex_joni> there are frozen people out there..
[17:42:17] <alex_joni> yeah.. and their down to vegetable levels
[17:42:23] <alex_joni> maybe lower
[17:42:24] <alex_joni> :)
[17:42:34] <alex_joni> s/their/they're/
[17:43:41] <dmess> hey us vegtables are people too
[17:43:49] <fenn> you are what you eat
[17:44:02] <Jacky^> yeah :)
[17:46:15] <dmess> i eat burnt meat...
[17:49:11] <Jacky^> 80 % of strawberry here is not strawberry, its just a substange of an australian tree, that have taste as strawberry
[17:49:37] <Jacky^> is everywhere in, yogurt, icecream etc
[17:49:50] <lep> better than some kind of chemical flavoring
[17:50:14] <fenn> or worse - strawberries
[17:50:26] <lep> hehe
[17:50:37] <fenn> seen how they grow strawberries these days?
[17:50:44] <lep> nope
[17:50:55] <alex_joni> fenn: with a straw
[17:51:05] <lep> maybe I'll grow some strawberries
[17:51:10] <Jacky^> maybe, but our organism do not recognize that substance
[17:51:24] <fenn> well you start by covering the field with plastic, then you inject methyl bromide into the soil for a week, totally obliterating all life underneath the plastic
[17:51:31] <lep> hmmmm
[17:51:55] <fenn> then little holes are poked in the plastic and clones are dropped in
[17:51:55] <lep> sounds like... no fun at all
[17:52:30] <lep> methyl bromide kills everything but nutrients in soil or something?
[17:52:48] <fenn> and it tastes great too!
[17:53:04] <dmess> clone from 1 good mommy plant ..
[17:53:32] <Jacky^> I just think fuits have is time
[17:53:41] <dmess> all plant have exactly the same growing charachteristics
[17:54:01] <Jacky^> it seems to me to eat strawberry in december isnt right at all ..
[17:54:02] <dmess> so mature at the same time
[17:54:48] <dmess> ive grown them for x-mas befor ...when i housed my hydroponic garden.. and grew orchids
[17:55:44] <fenn> dmess: they actually don't ripen at the same time, but that doesn't matter, since they pick them while still green and "artificially ripen" them with ethylene gas after being shipped
[17:57:15] <dmess> not in my garden you dont.... but its a timing thing too... the berries have to be predictable... nad you can only get that with a good cloning ritual...
[17:58:32] <fenn> why would you want them to ripen simultaneously in a garden anyway?
[17:59:05] <alex_joni> I'll be back later
[17:59:09] <alex_joni> bye guys :P
[17:59:30] <dmess> they were a x-mas gift to my mother..
[18:06:12] <Jacky^> les_w: http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2005/12/dreaming_of_california.html#comments
[18:06:34] <Jacky^> that how we lost our best 'brains' :)
[18:08:34] <robin_z> meep?
[18:09:32] <Jacky^> hey robin_z
[18:10:02] <lep> robin_z_hood
[18:10:48] <Jacky^> hello Jymmm
[18:11:33] <Jymmm> hola
[18:11:35] <Jacky^> Jymmm: were sending a very good guy there: http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2005/12/dreaming_of_california.html#comments take care of him :P
[18:11:46] <robin_z> meep?
[18:11:57] <Jacky^> hes pur friend ;)
[18:12:03] <Jacky^> our*
[18:14:14] <Jacky^> Space Robotics too :D
[18:14:24] <Jacky^> http://www.aa.nps.navy.mil/~mromano/marcello_romano_home_R.htm
[18:14:26] <Jacky^> ;)
[18:15:10] <Jacky^> dinner .. se you later
[18:15:15] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[18:18:18] <robin_z> so whats up?
[18:19:13] <robin_z> hey Jymmm, what note is it tuned to?
[18:32:30] <Jymmm> wish I knew
[18:46:24] <robin_z> middle C?
[18:47:07] <Jymmm> somewhere between DC and speed of light
[18:47:36] <robin_z> gonna buy geckos?
[18:57:54] <Jymmm> eventually, maybe, undecided yet.
[18:59:57] <les_w> hi robin and jymmm
[19:00:08] <les_w> quick break from work
[19:00:55] <les_w> tearing out privet weeds
[19:03:44] <Jymmm> les_w "tearing".... Got BlowTorch?
[19:04:09] <les_w> with the tractor
[19:04:18] <les_w> they are 20 feet high
[19:04:39] <Jymmm> Um, les.... I hate to inform you, but those are called TREES
[19:05:31] <les_w> well one of my workers is out there now
[19:05:42] <les_w> i'm not 100% today
[19:05:56] <les_w> damn robin left
[19:06:03] <les_w> needed opinion
[19:06:28] <Jymmm> * Jymmm suspects car related
[19:06:37] <les_w> heh
[19:07:10] <les_w> well he said MB slk was " hairdresser's car"
[19:07:39] <Jymmm> les_w male hairdress ~= gey
[19:07:41] <cradek> do hairdressers have special car requirements?
[19:07:41] <Jymmm> gay
[19:07:51] <les_w> wanted his nasty remark about IQ45
[19:08:33] <Jymmm> * Jymmm would love to be gay for about 6 hours so could do some nive interior design, except for the sex part of being gay!
[19:08:38] <Jymmm> nice
[19:08:53] <jepler> Jymmm: you know you're really not very funny.
[19:09:01] <les_w> hey....just got a message fromTom Kerekes of dynomotion
[19:09:15] <jepler> les_w: yes, please change the topic quick
[19:09:21] <Jymmm> jepler: Name one gay man that doesn't have a awesome looking home?
[19:09:35] <cradek> * cradek coughs
[19:09:46] <jepler> les_w: let me hear more about this dynomotion
[19:09:55] <les_w> he has put on board 1 kW servo amps on the emc interpreter based motion card
[19:10:01] <cradek> pterodactyl!
[19:10:07] <les_w> I'll have to call back
[19:10:32] <jepler> I was surprised to see that my crockpot is only 210W in its high power mode.
[19:11:05] <cradek> jepler: 100W light bulbs get too hot to touch almost instantly...
[19:11:19] <Jymmm> jepler I wasn't trying to be funny. It's true, that gay mena for some reason have a really good sense of style.
[19:11:38] <les_w> so 600 mip dsp, 3 1 kW amps, emc interpreter
[19:12:09] <cradek> les_w: just the interp is from emc?
[19:12:42] <les_w> yes. He wrote his own TP but it's not so good. He needs math help on that
[19:12:43] <jepler> cradek: but it takes quite awhile to heat a few liters of water 80 degrees
[19:13:08] <les_w> Oh and got a long email from Josh
[19:13:16] <les_w> remember from the lists?
[19:13:28] <cradek> remind me who that was
[19:14:01] <jepler> $ units "90 degree * 3000 ml * (1 calorie / degree / ml) / 210 W"
[19:14:01] <jepler> Definition: 5383.0286 s
[19:14:07] <les_w> He is a bit dissapointed that some momentum cannot be generated for a new emc TP
[19:14:21] <les_w> I explained it this way:
[19:14:50] <les_w> We can't plug in a new TP because no one understands the code
[19:14:54] <cradek> maybe he should write some code
[19:15:19] <les_w> Well, yeah.
[19:15:26] <jepler> I don't think anybody's *against* a new TP
[19:15:31] <cradek> I understand the TP just fine except for the blending algorithm
[19:15:44] <cradek> I've fixed bugs in it
[19:15:56] <les_w> New code based on emc interpreter
[19:16:10] <cradek> maybe I should rip out the blending and make a simple exact-stop proof-of-concept TP
[19:16:14] <les_w> Well you understand it better than most I guess
[19:16:42] <jepler> cradek: that might be a nice starting point. how much work do you think it would take?
[19:17:04] <cradek> jepler: I can never seem to estimate something like that
[19:17:07] <les_w> It just seems so splattered all over to me
[19:17:19] <les_w> I mean even Fred could not change it
[19:17:34] <les_w> they put about a man year in trying too
[19:17:41] <cradek> well Fred could not fix the blending
[19:17:59] <cradek> that doesn't mean the whole thing is intractable, maybe just the blending part is
[19:18:46] <les_w> So you figure you understand it enough to surgically remove the blend stuff and replace it?
[19:18:57] <les_w> If you had the algo?
[19:18:58] <cradek> remove, probably
[19:19:31] <cradek> if I had the algorithm in code, not math notation, possibly
[19:19:49] <cradek> I have the distinct feeling I am unwittingly getting volunteered for something here
[19:20:09] <les_w> how about a function with local scope variables?
[19:20:23] <les_w> what if someone gave you the black box
[19:20:29] <les_w> could you plug it in?
[19:20:58] <cradek> it's not clear to me what the input and output of the black box would be
[19:21:12] <cradek> adjacent segments maybe?
[19:22:04] <les_w> input would be coordinates and times
[19:22:05] <jepler> the output is expected positions at each servo update time?
[19:22:23] <les_w> output would be polynomial coefficients
[19:22:24] <jepler> the input is the canonical machining functions
[19:22:32] <les_w> right
[19:22:50] <cradek> well CMF don't have times
[19:22:57] <cradek> so you're not in agreement there
[19:23:07] <les_w> the polynomial coeficients would typically change each traj cycle
[19:23:09] <jepler> I agree, we said different things
[19:23:24] <les_w> times or speeds either one
[19:23:39] <cradek> ok CMF do have (requested) velocity
[19:23:47] <les_w> right
[19:23:53] <les_w> that would do
[19:23:55] <les_w> so
[19:24:23] <les_w> if we made that black box you could plug it in?
[19:24:35] <les_w> with appropriate changes for RT?
[19:24:42] <cradek> I don't know les
[19:25:04] <cradek> I could do almost anything with enough effort
[19:25:16] <les_w> Well, if you could, and we could write it as a function...
[19:25:49] <cradek> if I get time, let me try to rip out blending and clarify the TP's input and output
[19:26:09] <les_w> ok
[19:26:12] <cradek> if I could get that to work, I could put it on a branch and we could play with it
[19:26:31] <les_w> well my worker is calling me ...have to leave the office for a bit
[19:26:33] <les_w> bbiaw
[19:26:36] <cradek> ok
[19:40:42] <bill2or3> hello.
[19:41:34] <Jacky^> hi bill2or3
[19:43:31] <Jacky^> the brain wont work ! http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/idroid/idroid.html
[19:43:48] <Jacky^> thats my toy :P
[19:44:26] <Jacky^> the brain board do not turn on :(
[19:46:52] <Jacky^> I think some of the small smd diode is in short ..
[19:49:42] <bill2or3> hello jacky
[19:49:59] <bill2or3> neat.
[19:50:18] <bill2or3> I've just got my first (manual) lathe, and was looking for some machine-tool relate channel
[19:50:29] <Jacky^> hey bill2or3 , i get the 'sound follower' board yesterday
[19:50:35] <Jacky^> wont work :/
[19:51:09] <Jacky^> bill2or3: just manual ?
[19:51:17] <bill2or3> yeah, I'm just getting started.
[19:51:36] <bill2or3> I've got a lot to learn before cnc wouldn't be wasted on me.
[19:51:56] <Jacky^> here there's someone using lathe, but motorized I think
[19:52:01] <Jacky^> maybe anonimasu
[19:52:47] <Jacky^> I know he have a great knowledge about lathe
[19:54:19] <Jacky^> take a look to the pics in the frappr gruop to get some idea .. http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
[19:55:43] <Jacky^> bill2or3: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller/photo/453814
[20:00:08] <fenn> damn chris heapy's page is down
[20:00:43] <fenn> one of the best references for home workshop machining techniques
[20:01:44] <Jacky^> fenn: maybe manteinance service is in progress
[20:05:09] <fenn> no it's toast
[20:05:17] <fenn> been at least a month
[20:05:26] <fenn> fortunately I saved a backup copy
[20:06:13] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/~chrish/
[20:06:31] <fenn> anyway.. bill2or3 you should read that site if you are new to manual machining
[20:06:49] <cradek> I have cnc mill but only manual lathes - I think there are probably several here like that
[20:11:30] <lep> most I talked to are using their mills for CNC
[20:13:01] <Jacky^> anyone know a good Linux distro bootable from Usb pen ?
[20:13:23] <Jacky^> a generic distro, may with graphic features too
[20:14:45] <fenn> try damnsmalllinux or however they spell it
[20:15:01] <fenn> or toms root boot, for something that can boot off a floppy
[20:15:07] <fenn> but that's a little extreme
[20:16:26] <Jacky^> thanks
[20:25:17] <fenn> i wonder if anyone makes usb-stick cigarette lighters
[20:25:48] <Jacky^> uh ..
[20:26:07] <Jacky^> I think theres not enough power from usb port for that
[20:34:28] <lep> hm
[20:34:30] <lep> there might be
[20:34:35] <lep> it'd take forever though
[20:34:46] <lep> my 12v one in my car takes long enough
[20:34:59] <lep> they sell these "bic" lighters... they last a really long time and you can open beers with them too
[20:35:13] <lep> just f.y.i.
[20:35:51] <Jymmm> lep thats just stupid..... you use the parking brake of a 67 ford pickup to open a beer! =)
[20:36:15] <lep> haha
[20:36:27] <lep> we have one of those.. (67 ford pickup)
[20:36:34] <lep> no parking brake though hehehe
[20:36:49] <Jymmm> lep lol
[21:19:56] <bill2or3> * bill2or3 reads that site.
[21:24:05] <Jacky^> fenn: it seems the damnsmalllinux can run inside windows too !
[21:24:07] <Jacky^> wow
[21:38:46] <Jacky^> hi alex_joni
[21:39:02] <Jacky^> alex_joni: already seen my puppy ? http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/idroid/idroid.html
[21:39:37] <Jacky^> cant get the 'brain' board working :(
[21:40:00] <Jymmm> Jacky^: What do you expect... you ripped it's face off! =)
[21:40:27] <Jacky^> Jymmm: it should work .. sigh
[21:40:37] <Jymmm> Jacky^: I'm just playing
[21:40:38] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is happy
[21:40:47] <Jacky^> :-)
[21:40:51] <alex_joni> finally my EOS 350D is here ;)
[21:41:12] <Jacky^> alex_joni: sorry .. what is ?
[21:41:18] <alex_joni> and that 75-300 is a monster lens
[21:41:29] <alex_joni> Jacky^: Canon EOS 350D (Digital Rebel XT)
[21:42:12] <Jacky^> cool :P
[21:43:07] <Jacky^> 8 megapixel .. great
[21:44:07] <Jacky^> I bought Sony Cybershot 4 mp some mounth ago
[21:44:14] <alex_joni> well.. I don't really care about the 8 MP
[21:44:19] <alex_joni> I like the rest though
[21:44:29] <alex_joni> 1/4000 shutter speed
[21:44:45] <alex_joni> continuos shooting (just tried 40 pics, and it could go on)
[21:44:58] <alex_joni> I have a 1 Gig, Hi-speed CF, so speed is not an issue
[21:58:08] <Jacky^> how it seem to you the encoder/gears group of the head ?
[21:58:12] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/idroid/img005.jpeg
[21:58:29] <Jacky^> it seems to me a 'toys like'
[21:58:35] <Jacky^> rough
[22:00:05] <Jacky^> wonder if stop to build the idroid or go on :(
[22:01:07] <alex_joni> http://www.photoscene.com/sw/tour/inside.htm
[22:02:12] <Jacky^> :/
[22:03:09] <Jacky^> cool lens
[22:03:48] <Jacky^> the mine use the Carl Zeiss
[22:04:45] <alex_joni> yup, I wish I had money for USM lenses
[22:10:30] <Jymmm> alex_joni: sell your camera
[22:10:33] <alex_joni> Jacky^: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=162616&is=GREY&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation
[22:10:40] <alex_joni> Jymmm: still not enough :P
[22:12:24] <Jacky^> really nice
[22:27:32] <robin_z> meep?
[22:27:41] <alex_joni> hello
[22:27:51] <Jacky^> evening robin_z
[22:27:56] <robin_z> olleh!
[22:28:14] <robin_z> wie gehts?
[22:28:36] <alex_joni> danke gut, selber?
[22:29:47] <robin_z> gut (mit ein kleine alcool ;)
[22:29:59] <alex_joni> heh.. nice
[22:30:02] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is happy ;)
[22:30:07] <robin_z> thats enough german for now :)
[22:30:09] <alex_joni> got my new camera .. yay
[22:30:17] <robin_z> kewl
[22:30:31] <robin_z> 39 mega-pixel?
[22:30:48] <Jacky^> 1 gpixel
[22:30:52] <Jacky^> :D
[22:31:07] <alex_joni> robin_z: nah, only 8. so decent
[22:31:23] <robin_z> 4 times what mine has ...
[22:31:35] <Jacky^> 2 times the mine
[22:31:51] <robin_z> just need some babes to photograph then ;)
[22:32:23] <Jacky^> alex_joni: seems have thousand of albums
[22:32:34] <Jacky^> np for that :)
[22:32:40] <robin_z> thank fsck its christmas
[22:32:42] <Jacky^> I rarely use my camera
[22:32:50] <robin_z> I was SOOOOOO happy to lock up the factory ...
[22:33:17] <Jacky^> :)
[22:33:24] <Jacky^> until 2 jan ?
[22:33:31] <robin_z> yeah
[22:33:41] <Jacky^> good :)
[22:34:14] <robin_z> took my employee to the pub, bought him a beer, gave him a christmas bonus and went off
[22:34:34] <Jacky^> ;-)
[22:34:59] <robin_z> gonna plan out the next project over the break
[22:35:07] <robin_z> a Nitrogen generator
[22:35:50] <alex_joni> we closed till the 0th
[22:35:51] <alex_joni> 9th
[22:35:54] <alex_joni> :)
[22:36:22] <robin_z> nice
[22:36:39] <alex_joni> yeah.. some quiet time I hope
[22:36:47] <robin_z> yep
[22:36:49] <alex_joni> time to relay, and do some work on emc :)
[22:36:53] <alex_joni> relax
[22:36:57] <alex_joni> wth is wrong with me
[22:37:00] <alex_joni> :(
[22:37:04] <robin_z> drunk?
[22:37:12] <robin_z> stoopid ? :)
[22:37:14] <alex_joni> nope.. sober
[22:37:21] <Jymmm> alex_joni that's the problem
[22:37:23] <alex_joni> I resent that remark :P
[22:38:05] <robin_z> I spend LOTS on nitrogen, so a nitrogen generator will save me oodles of cash and they are so simple
[22:38:34] <robin_z> with a 300bar compressor it would be even easier to store it too.
[22:38:59] <skunkworks> cradek - Your fix seems to work. Thanks again. (I did not know that if I update emc2 I need to then reinstall axis)
[22:39:20] <robin_z> I wonder if I can use Classic Ladder to control it??
[22:39:59] <alex_joni> skunkworks: the reinstall is a bitch, but on make clean the bin/ dir gets deleted
[22:40:05] <alex_joni> along with axis which is in there
[22:40:22] <alex_joni> although you could have gone away only with a make (without the make clean)
[22:42:38] <alex_joni> ok guys, I'm off to bed
[22:42:39] <alex_joni> night all
[22:44:13] <skunkworks> ok thanks alex
[22:44:20] <les_w> I just use a very directional mic and speakers robin
[22:44:56] <skunkworks> I hit an estop (f1) and I could not get it to restart (following errors) - I thought that was fixed. Have to look at the bug list again.
[22:47:38] <K4ts> hello
[22:48:32] <skunkworks> this one http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1238801&group_id=6744&atid=106744
[23:11:32] <fenn> hmm.. some dude in a van across the street just tried to run over 3 women with baseball bats, who promptly broke out his windows after one of them got run over
[23:11:49] <fenn> and guns and people chasing each other
[23:12:22] <fenn> and now it's all over and the cops are gone, about 5 minutes after they showed up
[23:12:44] <fenn> guess they have better things to do
[23:33:56] <skunkworks> where do you live? That sounds scary.
[23:36:33] <Jacky^> mmm :(
[23:45:34] <Jymmm> fenn: I know you said you are working on a top secret project, but that's crazy!
[23:48:10] <robin_z> * robin_z gets a little further with the nitrogen generator plan