sleep ? its a big problem ?
First Berlusconi then Buttiglione have declared themselves without the power to force Fazio to resign.
he never plays
We have a Government of impotents, but I hadn't expected them to come out and tell us this.
K4ts: yesterday I posted beppe grillo's blog url
[00:02:42] <K4ts> http://www.live8live.com/it/
they do not know our first seoursly funny person
for who want to know what gates sayd when comes in milan, please read here http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2005/10/bill_the_fish_that_believes_ev.html#comments
per live 8?
K4ts: ive not so much money :/
I know its a good thing
non si deve comprare nulla
for the next donation I was thinking wikipedia
K4ts: just a firm ?
ok, readyyyy then :D
let me understand ..
e poi mettere solo email tua
si ma cosa G8 ?
che si riuniscono mai sentiti
uh, i never heard that
ok, i will read it ;)
per la povertà nel mondo
e poi invece mangiano tutti i soldi
oh .. but thers no problem for that
gates is helping these peoples and country
K4ts: youre not updated
you dont know.. hes helping china
K4ts: I do not read news every day
I just know gates is sending computer all over the world
with his very good OS installed
qui parliamo di ben peggio
milioni di persone
che come me o te
di fame davvero
oh.. this is sad
[00:13:37] <K4ts> http://www.live8live.com/videos/index.shtml
sad sad situation
but K4ts we are in another dimension
what we can do ?
not only words
you believe in the net ?
how much ?
there are adoptions to been able to do also to distance
uhm .. i dont believe in these methods
i want to be sure my money will go there*
and my help
euro costs less than 24 at the month
thats what peoples dont believe
peoples dont believe in long distance
peoples think tehy loss money in that way
and peoples who need get no help
so .. what we really need
would you throw of cicarettes or magazines
is the knowledge
we need to be informed
from peoples who live in that countries
information is the power..
si si la rete
la gente muore cmq
nonostante la rete1
yes .. its sad but true
you know why we are in this war ?
tu almeno sopravvivi però
for years the world forget the problems around irak
as now, we are forgetting the problems around other countries
is exactly the same thing !
the part I like is
PS: Windows is celebrating its 20 th birthday. Windows is proprietary software owned by Microsoft and its diffusion has made Gates rich.
But proprietary software won\u2019t last another 20 years, maybe not even 10.
The alternative is open source, that is software made available over the Internet for free. One of these is called Linux . Use it instead of Windows just as I have decided to do.
this, from a person who dnot understand nothing about computers !
he just understood how the world is going
Grillo was the person that some years ago it was crashing a computer with an hammer at the end of his show
after he has discovered the net he totally changed his hopinion abut the net an computers
that why the world can change ! damn it
s /crashing /destroyng
03jmkasunich * 10emc2/configs/stepper/README:
Added some blank lines in README so it will display better. (setupconfig.tcl
strips single newlines, so that it can wordwrap a paragraph to fit the window.
Double newlines (blank lines between paragraphs) are left alone.
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this trochoidal toolpath stuff seems like a bunch of crap
good morning to you too :)
hi alex, les
still have not fixed bad neutral...running the computer on 96vac is iffy
repair crews are busy from ice storm
alex - that didn't help. I still have to set the default accelleration to the slowest axis and then that is used for all.
I will do a bug report at sf
* alex_joni goes home..
cradek: I checked in that change to show when a file exceeds limits
it's still colored pink and less pink
cool, I'll test
it's spewing "position changes 0"
spew spew spew
oh, that's mine, sorry
cradek: leaving in debug statements is a favorite mistake of mine to
do you then blame it on someone else?
at least sometimes
it could be a CVS bug too
hey websys, you there?
[15:27:38] <skunkworks> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1385242&group_id=6744&atid=106744
i had a question regarding how synergy synchronizes two toolpaths
but now i forget what it was
well, first of all, what g-code do you use?
are you talking to me - fenn?
like Mxx (wait) and Mxy (sync)
skunkworks: no, sorry
was hoping websys might look at his screen once in a while
;) he is in my state - maybe I could yell at him.
you could build a sub-orbital potato launcher and knock on his door
if you say websys a lot, then websys may hear a beep, if websys' machine is set up fro that ;)
potato launchers - that is another subject to get lost on. (if you need a good igniter design - I have one) ;)
I'd take a low-tech "Funnelator" over a high-tech rocket tube thing
as long as I have a sturdy window frame ;)
you lost me on that one
a funnelator is aactually a water-balloon launcher (though potatoes can also work)
when I was in college, one balloon was launched 5 blocks
I think that was a 3-stage design - big rubber bands hooked to the window frame, with a funnel at the end ;)
only they used some of the medical "exercise band" for one stage - I'm not sure what the others were
they had to pull it through the dorm room, across the hall, and into the next room to get that kind of launch though
how many g's can a water balloon take?
I'm not sure - it would have been interesting to put an accelerometer in the funnel ;)
if I'm converting an ini from inch to mm, what do I do with PIDFF and MIN/MAX_OUTPUT?
when I multiply them all by 25.4 I don't get a working config
you shouldnt do anything to them..
well, I tried that first, it doesn't work
when I g0x1, the actual position takes a minute to get to 1mm
when I change P from 1 to 25.4 it gets better but is still way too slow (following errors)
so then I multiplied MIN/MAX_OUTPUT too, but I get amplifier faults
cradek: does it take exactly one minute?
it takes "quite a while"
I set P=600 and it still moves slowly
so I don't think it's a matter of just P
i think accelerations are defined in "units/second^2" so 20mm/sec^2 would be pretty slow
have you changed accelerations to match?
yes, vel is 30 and accel is 533
I'm working with emc1 sim.ini for AXIS testing
wanna post it somewhere? it might just be a dumb mistake somewhere
I multiplied the existing values by 25.4
[16:27:29] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek/emc
in-mm.diff is the diff
sim.ini and mm-sim.ini are the files
I think y and z scales are wrong, but that's not the problem
dont you need to fiddle with output scale too?
this is a simulated servo, right?
yes simulated servo
I'll try fiddling output_scale
on most .ini's i've seen they are the same
no, if anything that made it worse
as you can see it started input=1000 output=1
* fenn looks up what output_scale does
beware this is emc1
ok input scale is in counts/unit
so 25400 counts/mm is more resolution than 1000 counts/in
and you had an extra zero in there :)
then should input scale be 1000/25.4?
hmmm still not right
the position flies away
try setting PID back to what it was before
it still flies around...
you set FF back to .077?
I wonder if any of these other things are /unit instead of *unit
where does it get the simulated values from anyway?
I have nfc
is this a good time to wonder aloud why homing doesn't work right in the simulator unless the axis is already at zero? (following error)
if it's not, I can do it later.
jepler: this is sort of good enough to make me kind of confident about your changes
jepler: that's because it's borked
jepler: if I can't jog, though, it's kind of hard to test
Sed_: hi! how's your stg?
I just got in, havent had time to mess with it all weekend, last I tried the software was running but not talking to the servo's
mosaic.. wasn't that obsoleted by netscape? :)
Maui Optical And Scientific Insturment Company
to erly to spell
we build telescopes
and other optics
we use the CNC for the mecanical
sounds like very interesting work
i've always wanted to make some gyroscopically stabilized binoculars
sounds like a cool idea
so how many peopole use the stg with emc2?
heh I guess, but I only aspire to use it atm...
probably very few so far
i know of at least one other
stg support in emc2 is pretty new.
what is the servo card of choice?
I guess I don't know
I think stg is the "venerable" emc-supported card
I know les uses stg on his big router
Sed_: you get at least a 10X update rate improvement if you use a PCI servo card like Vital or Motenc
I think you should ask les that question sometime
we have a 4th axis Maho MC500 that the other machinest converted
if we convert another machine we are going to use a PCI card
do any of the PCI cards use a single connector out the back to some kind of break out box??
I guess a USB solution would be cool at some point...heh
i think most of them do
USB has crappy latency
you could talk to a microcontroller over USB
there's been some work on realtime ethernet
doped kite string?
IDE? PS/2 auxiliary device?
its hard to find a decent MB/CPU with an ISA slot, then a case to fit a full length card..
* cradek looks around at his piles of computers
I cant count how many I have thrown away
so what files do I have to muck with in order to get my servo's working.
well, the config files have changed a lot recently
what's the symptom now?
I think last time you were working on getting the amps enabled
did you get that working?
porgram starts, but does not talk to the servo's, in emc1 when I turned the software to "ON" I would hear them hum..
are you using a recent version of emc2? (less than a couple weeks old?)
fenn yes cvsuped on friday
fenn: alex worked with him for some hours friday
yea alex is very cool
fenn: his ini is probably close to correct, maybe some hal stuff is not right yet
ok just wondering what config files i should be looking at
fenn: Sed_ has IO on a parport but the stg config for emc2 has IO on the stg
well, that should be easy enough
Sed_: alex will probably check in soon...
we started changing stuff from the stg to PP
Sed_: do you know which parport pin/pins enable your amps?
no, I didn not build the macine, Terry our other machinist did..
He will be in soon
maybe we can figure it out from your old ini
He has the years of CNC experiance, Im a Unix hack
I should post it online
it's good to have both kinds of folks
yeah please do that
I have been working with BSD since 1993 Linux for about a year
I also do both bsd and linux (and others), for about the same time
* fenn was still in diapers in 1993
i was surfing the web though :P
well I was surprisingly young then too
i'm wondering if it's really a good idea to have io's on the parallel port
what's wrong with that?
well, for one it just seems kinda wonky
already wired up and working >> wonkyness
this is the point of hal, remember?
i really dont have any firm technical ground to stand on
hmm, I don't see what specifies the amp enable pins
maybe that comes from the stg...?
i think it is in bridgeportio or some such
I mean in the emc1 ini there's no _INDEX for amp enable
Bridgeportio sounds familiar
yes, you were using bridgeportio in emc1
so that is not enabled in hal, or whereever it needs to be in emc2?
well my thinking is that we have to figure out what emc1 did, then tell hal to do that
this can't be your emc.ini
it has EMCMOT=freqmod
it looks like amp enable for stg is on the stg card, not the parport
sorry I put that in there mucking with BDI
hmm where do you see that?
Sed_: is emc.ini the old working ini from emc1 (except for that change?)
I just uploaded emc.ini.terry
that is totaly unchanged
although all I chaned was that single line
and stg.ini is the new one that you and alex were working on?
its what the BDI install was complaining about
yes stg.ini is what alex built for me
so now you can come out of estop but machine on doesn't do anything, right?
yea, estop was looped back by alex
in one of the .ini files
so I guess it does not come out of estop on its own. we had to rig it..
software anyway, the machine is how it was with EMC1
yeah that's probably a parport issue
sound like if I get the parport working it may work
no, amp enables come from the stg card, not the parport
./emcmot/stg_v2_axis8.c: 00 X amp enable P1/15
./emcmot/stg_v2_axis8.c: 01 Y amp enable P1/13
./emcmot/stg_v2_axis8.c: 02 Z amp enable P1/11
./emcmot/stg_v2_axis8.c: 03 U amp enable P1/9
./emcmot/stg_v2_axis8.c: 04 V amp enable P1/7
./emcmot/stg_v2_axis8.c: 05 W amp enable P1/5
I think stg_io.hal has enables configured as for a stg1 card
I have the pinouts of the card printed out, fenn that looks right
linksp Xenable => stg.out-00
linksp Yenable => stg.out-01
linksp Zenable => stg.out-02
linksp Aenable => stg.out-03
this seems right then?
cradek: that's already in his .hal file
I dont understand how stg.out-00 is P1/15
Sed_: are those pins on the stg or the parallel port?
on the stg
amp enables are "port C" whatever that means
maybe should be port A to corrispond with P1????
cradek where do you see "port C"?
stgAmpEnable in the emc1 source
RawDOPort(&theStg, axis, (unsigned char) enable, 2); /* 2 is port C */
it's probably an 8255 for the I/O
yep - it is
wait a sec
are we missing "newsig Xenable" etc?
shouild be in core_servo, I think
yep - they're in there
but not connected to any hardware, just between the axes and the pids
I think those should be stg.out-16 through stg.out-19
couldn't hurt to try
the instructions aren't very clear...
Sed_: can you try that?
what lines do I change?
linksp Xenable => stg.out-00
linksp Yenable => stg.out-01
linksp Zenable => stg.out-02
linksp Aenable => stg.out-03
change the 00..03 to 16..19
wait, shouldn't it be x->15 y->13 z->11 ?
I don't think so
are those pin numbers or output bits?
those are pin numbers on the physical connector
I don't think that's what these numbers represent
or so i imagined
I can try both
right - the parport is the only HAL driver I know of that uses the actual pin number
I think we should try 16..19
sed try setp stg.out-0* TRUE
(did i do that right?)
* anonimasu jumps up and down
now for the bloody ballscrews to arrive.
but hal doesn't have *'s eithre
no wildcards ;)
it's gotta be one of those darn pins
HAL: ERROR: pin 'stg.out-16' not found
answers that then
i bet it only goes to 7
the rest of the pins are ground?
there are two input and two output ports
bits 0..15 for both
I thought we should try this because ports AB are in and CD are out
and we want to set the first bits of port C
it started with 15 13 11 9
iniaxis.cc 637: can't find [AXIS_1] MAX_ACCELERATION, using default
iniaxis.cc 637: can't find [AXIS_2] MAX_ACCELERATION, using default
iniaxis.cc 637: can't find [AXIS_3] MAX_ACCELERATION, using default
says that in boot msg
that's ok, it will use the TRAJ value
you can copy that value to the AXIS sections to eliminate the warnings
so why are the enables on the wrong pins in the .ini? has anyone actually tested the driver yet?
after more looking, it seems right the way it was
I'm off to lunch now
be back in an hour
I hope alex pops in :-)
i hope he figures out what the problem was
it's his driver after all
emcTaskIssueCommand() returning: 0
joint 2 following error
taskintf.cc 787: Error on axis 2, command number 112
there are only 8 inputs and 8 outputs exported by the driver (if it's the hal_stg driver)
I don't see a separate STG2 source file
right the differences between stg1 and stg2 are minor
ok - nevermind - there are 32 bits exported, just in groups of 8 (looked at too low a level)
Sed_: the following errors are probably because the acceleration isnt set right
should I try changing that or is it still al hal issue?
hal is looking for an ini variable [AXIS_1] MAX_ACCELERATION but it can't find it
because it's not there ;)
what file does that go in?
you might have to do some tuning to figure out what the max accel actually is for each axis
whatever_you_call_it.ini - probably stg.ini, in your case
as long as all the infor is in one ini file, you're all set
yea that stopped the error
but that probably does not have anythin to do whit the amps not working riht??
where are the enables connected again? (I thought there was discussion about the parport)
I thought in core servo
could be wrong
no, I mean on the actual machine
to the card itself
ok - just making sure ;)
well I have to put some time into putting EMC1 on another HD, Im getting pressured to start making parts again
check back every once in a while - I'm sure Alex can help you
once I get the machine working again I can switch back and forth, I realy want to get EMC2 up
yea I will, thanks for the help so far!!!!!!!!
what help? I mean, sure - no problem ;)
poor guy.. has to make telescope parts in hawaii all day
it's atough life
though getting up the mountain to install them is actually a trek
power back on!
squirrels half chewed through neutral.
les have you tried using emc2 yet?
if they had made it, the sentence would be "half squirrels - chewed through neutral" ;)
we were just trying to get someone's stg set up
I'm still rewiring the control system
but took off work since the power was off
tearing up hedgerows with tractortoy. No jellow jackets now!
careful - they recognize faces
the 20 mm wire diameter is making some hassles for me on the cnc
SWP_Away: can you think of any reason not to put the amps right next to the motors? (to reduce EMI)
sorry that might not have been clear
I think I get the question
mosfets.. 24V DC bus
I'm not sure if that's much better - you still have long antennas with current spikes on them, though the spikes are lower current
but cant you put capacitors to smooth the spikes on the bus?
but then you also have much longer logic wires sitting next to the longer supply wires
put capacitors inside the motor casing
I do a 20 foot run to z
you'd need some pretty beefy caps, I think
no big problem
you should ask a jmk-like person though, power transmission was my least favorite subject :)
SWP_Away: gotta put the caps somewhere
who's this SWP_Away guy anyway
les_w: 20 feet from the power supply to the drive, or 20 feet from the drive to the motor?
he's my Windows alter-ego
the evil twin
yeah jmk would know. I think many VFDs would not like capacitive loads
this isn't spindle, ot's for sservos (or steppers)
yeah - that's it
20 feet from the drive to the servo motor
you're running in shielded cabling for encoders and power right?
or is only one shielded?
cables for encoders and switches arw shielded...encoders are differential
switches are ttl
and I have had z false trip
going to 24v now
les_w: how's stuff going?
hm that should eleminate the EMI..
err the trouble with it
ok. electric power is better now,
I am still waiting for the ballscrews to land
anyway, a lot of wires to stuff in the cnc conduit
I am drawing up the PLC stuff now :)
3 6 conductor encoder, +5, +24, 3 limit buss, 3 home, 20mm 240 3 phase spindle, 240 single phase fan, thermistor twisted pair
I havent decided how I should wire it up..
the ESTOP stuff
I am rewiring my estop to the vfd
in an estop it's good to let the motor coast
I'll be getting a brake for the mill later..
why let the motor coast?
yeah. Better if it turns a while in something like a ferror event
what does the term coast mean..
otherwise it's a wood splitter
that's a different kind of estop ;)
coast= remove power but no brake
here's a problem:
les will you be here for a while?
I need to go microwave some food..
i'll be back while eating
emc controls the vfd but do I trust spindle off commands while I change tools?
not a good feeling
and a switch between vfd and motor is a bad idea too
a three phase switch?
does the spindle have a brake?
not recommended for any switching between vfd and load
vfd brakes the spindle
if so programmed
guess thats a no
only safe thing I can think of is another control wire back to the vfd
removing power with a contactor
no physical brake fenn...just electrodynamic braking
why not a switch between the vfd and spindle? it should be off anyway
better the vfd sees a voltage spike than your hand gets ripped off
fenn: if the contacts fail it will pop the vfd
huh...call from india...some domain name thing..."registration"
hung up on em.
so fenn how can I do this without another conrtol wire in the conduit
les_w: yeah electrodynamic is the way to go
les_w: put a pin in the spindle?
hm use a plc to control it..
still gotta rotate the spindle to drop the pin in though
this is manual toolchange right?
I'd have a hardware watchdog, if the spindle moves/rotates kill off the vfd.
what if a spindle off from the parport sends a signal to stop the vfd...but with a delay removes vfd power requiring a switch at the panel to reinable?
do you have any extra digital outs?
relay loop ;)
digital outs are hard to come by in emc/stg
hrm nevermind cant do anything fancy in emc1
you know the circuit I am thinking about?
I figure first send stop command
possibly wait for actual spindle rotation to stop
the disconnect vfd power
requiring a front panel rearm
but don't want to go into estop
now if the arm switch is forgotten and resume is hit
it's a big problem
les_w: you need emc2
this stuff has to be separate from the computer
even the checks to see if spindle is on before we start motion?
Will go to emc2 I hope later
Man UPS is obnoxious this time of year :-)
fenn: motion without spindle rotation has to be allowed
but motion without vfd powered up would not be needed
les_w: you could check the status of the arm switch
so that's the trick
[19:06:05] <Jymmm> http://www.ijfisnar.com/movs/Emblem-Filling.wmv
vfd must be powered up on motion or estop is engaged
so hitting resume or jogs checks vfd status
woops that is a problem
monitor dac output?
why cant you go into estop?
does it reset the program line or something?
no good for a tool change
have to pause
dac voltages are no good either when I think about it
cause they are zero in a coast
Does the vfd have a "up to speed" output relay?
hence the issue with "stop" vs. "estop" :)
let me check
We used that output on the mazak but that was with emc2
(that last was to fenn, btw)
where those kinds of signals are easy to get at.
SWPadnos: if it didnt reset the program line there wouldnt really be a problem
SWPadnos: at least for les
emergency stop means "I don't give a flying fsck what happens to the program - somebody's about to get hurt"
"stop" is somewhat different
does the spindle stop on commercial controls when you hit feed hold?
feed hold = infinite dwell ;)
what happens when you press feed hold in a tapping cycle? :)
It is ignored
uh, what is the point of feed hold anyway?
"wait while I manually blow away some chips"
ok my vfd has analog outs for frq and "load" (current?) and things like slip compensation
It allows you to move a program by jerks so that you can see that the tool is nearing the correct cutting position.
oooh - I should check mine for load output - that would be cool to run back in through HAL (for a nice VU meter)
SWP you could run it through a fourier transform and display it in full 3d w/colors
yeah I have current and voltage analog meters on the servos
they doa nice dance
does hal have a soundcard driver yet!?!
I mean - not that I know of
SWPadnos: Say what you mean, and mean what you say!
grrr this vfd documentation is poor
fsck no - not that I know of ;)
SWPadnos better =)
at least this thing senses actual speed...not just commanded
I'd love to have a feed hold in emc
but how do I detect any kind of programmed, MDI, or jogging motion
rms of the 3 amp voltages?
can you check for amp enable?
z has a little gravity compensation though
yeah I use amp enable
but how would that help?
is there anything in the way of digital out that DETECTS motion?
I think not
that's a good idea
it's all I canthink of
so encoder count > something AND amp power disabled=estop?
bleah. proto circuit boards.
but hardware is safer then software..
it must be hardware.
I'll just have to do it.
atleast it's your own fault if you loose a few fingers ;)
sigh another circuit to design
3 counters and some logic
could pull something off the stg, but don't want to make it card specific
[19:28:44] <SWPadnos> https://www.33each.com/!33each1.asp
how does the pause button in emc work?
$33/board for 3 boards, double sided, 1-side silkscreen and 2-side soldermask
you'll be much happier with soldermask ;)
'll just build this up on vectorboard
even though I have full protel
les_w: are you going with micros or all digital counters and stuff?
eeewww - through-hole :)
which Protel do you have?
can't be micros - that would be softwar
no need to program a micro...just grab some counter chip out of the drawer
anonimasu: pause only works in auto
rayh: I dont know how to machine parts in non auto :)
restart resets it
hm, can you use it as feedhold?
feedhold normally works in any mode
hm, it usually retracts the Z also right?
There is a feedhold button with the mini interface
hm, does it work?
press pause on keyboard toggles it.
hmm since I don't care about directio I could just run encoder signal thru an analog differentiator
then demodulate and fire a comparator
just use one phase, and treat it like a hall sensor
so - which Protel do you have?
the whole design suite, autorouting, spice, schematic capture, and all
ITW bought me a seat
right - which version>? 99SE, or one of the Altiums
disgusting , huh? ;)
99se I think
I don't use it much
not really - I'm about to buy Altium for that much :(
that's what's discusting ;)
SWPadnos: is that for hobby work?
I don't have that much of a hobby budget
maybe $12k / 100 ;)
I don't touch Protel unless I am getting paid
I do, I actually like it (I have a very old version now - the one beore 99SE)
les_w: the fact that you dont use it much is what's disgusting ;)
Advanced Schematic 3.xx
you know what I mean right?
yeah - that is an annoyance
that money could be feeding starving children in africa
and you're wasting it! :)
you could be designing graphics cards and stuff or cheap servodrives ;)
last time I used it was on my encoder product
though the new version has fully integrated schematic, PCB, FPGA, and compilers, plus an external FPGA prototyping board with full JTAG
a car part.
it's a really slick tool suite
the software comes with a proto board?
if it weren't I wouldn't pay that much for it, and I sure as hell wouldn't get a Windows based package
the full kit does
it's $1k extra actually
[19:39:02] <SWPadnos> http://www.altium.com/
check out the JTAG debugging videos
Hey SWP I might farm out multilayer board stuff to you!
ok by me - I have tyo pay for it somehow ;)
yeah. It's not my cup of tea really.
yeah in the total price ;)
I hope you don't mind large ground planes - I hate to lose all that copper ;)
I use the SPICE some.
yeah ground planes being big are good often
plus I feel like I'm not getting my money's worth if I let them take all the copper away
I have no idea what spice is
it's electronic simulation software
spice= circuit simulation software
brb, need to drive to the kiosk and meet a girl
I even use it for mechanical things
especially non linear stuff
well, better hose off the tractor while liquid water still exists here
gaim wont work, crashing :(
lucio mi ha detto
80 euro idraulico
ma scusa s accendi il portatile
ti va gaim?
can you talk in english here please?
brb taking a bath
you can I find much difficulty in translating from italian into english and put us a long time!
K4ts: thats ok, but you can query other peoples when you want to use language other than english ;)
anyway its a good idea to force yourself to speak english
a good way to learn it
right what im tryng to do ;)
atleast when talking in public..
I am speaking msvc++ .net
trying to get some work done :)
im fighting with mencoder .. cant get audio and video syncronized after a video conversion :(
looking for some help channel
lets try, thanks
cool, a lot of peoples ;)
anonimasu: that's not a language!
finished washing the tractor. My hands are freezing
Got dirt on the loader bucket. Had to detail it with a toothbrush. ;)
nah just hosed it off. washed the body and cab with soap though.
Tommorow back to working on the newe cnc wiring
fenn: what should I write winapps in?
fenn: Dont tell me that gcc + cygwin is all that great for commercial stuff
bleh cygwin isnt windows anyway
use the V IDE
heh, msvc++.net does the trick.
seriously, I am not paying for a qt license..
even though I love qt.
yeah, and I defenetively do not want to opensource what I write at work.
the stuff that comes with kde
sure - I know what it is ;)
are you trying to write apps for Windows only, or cross-platform?
then VC is your best bet, though you
it works good.
then VC is your best bet, though you're paying for a license anyway
yeah, but I already have one..
unless you cheat, in which case, just cheat with QT instead ;)
cant really cheat :)
although I can make the comm stuff a dll
and bundle it separately
and have a open api..
and just not release my prototcol specs.
and the key for unlocking the machines to talk serially
err over serial
I thought you were actually looking for something, not a rhetorical question
ah, I am not I am just complaining
dont let it bother you too much ;)
I am still not sure if it's c++ I am coding or c++.net
03swpadnos * 10emc2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Time Delay component. Has separate settable on and off delays. Up to 8 time delays may be created with this component.
worht the price? http://www.store.yahoo.com/drillcity/10comhobkit.html