#emc | Logs for 2005-10-21

[00:00:27] <fenn> hello btw :)
[00:26:05] <les> is emc-mazak very active?
[00:26:36] <alex_joni> les: limited to serious talks
[00:26:36] <alex_joni> *g*
[00:26:51] <les> oh...count me out
[00:26:54] <les> haha
[00:27:44] <CNC_Workshop> CNC_Workshop is now known as jmk_aka_Roland
[00:28:05] <jmk_aka_Roland> jmk_aka_Roland is now known as jmk_mazak
[00:28:26] <alex_joni> les: haha
[00:28:29] <les> I am searching here for some good surge protection/ power conditioning witha ll these VFDs and things going in to the shop
[00:28:45] <alex_joni> petev: hello, think you want to join #emc-mazak to talk to jmk ?
[00:29:03] <les> hi pete!!
[00:43:05] <anonimasu> hm
[00:44:04] <anonimasu> Jacky^: no.
[00:44:10] <anonimasu> les: what's up?
[00:44:24] <Jacky^> anonimasu: ok , np
[00:44:32] <anonimasu> Jacky^: it's just a ordinary lathe
[00:45:07] <Jacky^> ok.. i asked because a friend is building a machine
[00:56:21] <fenn> alex_joni: nice work on puppy-emc2
[00:56:32] <alex_joni> not mine..
[00:56:37] <alex_joni> cncuser did that
[00:56:39] <fenn> oh
[00:57:20] <fenn> it seems to run about 10x faster than the bdi
[00:57:24] <alex_joni> but it's nice..
[00:57:25] <alex_joni> really?
[00:57:28] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[00:57:29] <alex_joni> that's strange
[00:57:37] <alex_joni> during loading or what?
[00:57:50] <fenn> somethings weird about this computer.. it hangs every once in a while for no reason
[00:58:12] <Jymmm> fenn os?
[00:58:29] <fenn> Jymmm: bdi 4.2(8?)
[00:58:40] <Jymmm> fenn any usb devices?
[00:58:46] <fenn> no
[00:59:19] <Jymmm> fenn eh, probably a virus... dont worry about it =)
[00:59:21] <fenn> to be more specific it hangs at startup when it says "press f2"
[00:59:31] <Jymmm> oh at POST
[00:59:45] <fenn> no, when there's the penguin with the flyswatter
[00:59:59] <fenn> after you pick which kernel to load
[01:00:03] <Jymmm> Ah, I have all that disabled
[01:00:09] <fenn> yeah i thought i did too
[01:00:39] <Jymmm> so durign the HW snooping?
[01:00:57] <fenn> i have no idea what it's doing because the stupid penguin is in the way
[01:01:21] <alex_joni> push F2 ?
[01:01:31] <fenn> "press f2 for details"
[01:01:35] <anonimasu> starting your system..
[01:01:37] <Jymmm> in grub menu.lst file, remove the bootspalsh option
[01:01:37] <anonimasu> probably
[01:02:00] <Jymmm> or splash I think is what it says
[01:02:04] <alex_joni> apt-get remove bootsplash
[01:02:04] <fenn> anyway, puppy-emc2 works so far
[01:03:08] <Jymmm> theres something in the wiki about it as well that you need to edit other things too
[01:03:31] <Jymmm> It's nice, but I can live without it.
[01:04:29] <fenn> hiding relevant details when i need them is not nice
[01:05:02] <anonimasu> night all
[01:05:08] <Jymmm> G'Night anonimasu
[01:05:34] <anonimasu> I hope thoose surpluscenter guys dosent drain my account
[01:07:32] <Jymmm> anonimasu: Give my your account number and I'll check for you.
[01:36:25] <Jacky^> !google 5 phase
[01:54:55] <alex_joni> google is not around
[02:00:50] <Jacky^> arrgh
[02:01:04] <Jacky^> make: *** [modules] Error 127
[02:01:07] <Jacky^> :/
[02:01:22] <alex_joni> a bit of debugging :D
[02:06:32] <Jacky^> found, was libtcl8.4.so ..
[02:06:42] <Jacky^> alex_joni: this sound strange to me ..
[02:07:45] <Jacky^> ive a 5 phase stepper motor
[02:08:15] <Jacky^> i get some info about 5 phase, http://www.geocities.com/dsaproject/electronics/cnc/5-phase_stepper_constr.gif
[02:08:17] <alex_joni> nice for you
[02:08:26] <Jacky^> but the mine has 5 wire not 6 :/
[02:08:43] <Jacky^> its vexta oriental motor
[02:08:54] <Jacky^> why 5 and not 6 ?
[02:09:12] <alex_joni> probably lost one
[02:09:16] <Jacky^> cant find any datasheet
[02:09:24] <Jacky^> nah..
[02:09:39] <Jacky^> if it has 5 phase
[02:09:48] <Jacky^> and 1 common .. should be 6
[02:09:58] <Jacky^> :/
[02:10:01] <alex_joni> maybe.. you didn't count them all?
[02:10:11] <Jacky^> ugh
[02:11:06] <Jacky^> any idea ?
[02:11:30] <alex_joni> nope
[02:11:32] <alex_joni> not at this time
[02:11:37] <alex_joni> [03:29] <alex_joni> not at this time
[02:11:42] <alex_joni> maybe when I'm awake
[02:11:47] <Jacky^> hehe
[02:11:52] <Jacky^> good idea
[02:12:02] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ goes to..
[02:12:06] <Jacky^> night all
[02:12:13] <alex_joni> night
[02:12:16] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[02:12:20] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hits the feathers
[02:16:50] <dmess> any brainiacs with time on their hands??
[02:18:20] <fenn> if you want it done right, soon, or cheap, well.. you gotta pick 2 out of 3
[02:18:29] <dmess> its diamonds again..
[02:18:34] <fenn> oh count me out
[02:19:02] <fenn> are you using just a household microwave?
[02:19:50] <dmess> fenn .. ive lived on fast correct and cheap... PICK 2 for yrs
[02:22:07] <dmess> oh... yes it was a houshold conventioal/ micro wavewave oven... it CAN handle metal pans depending on volume of food
[02:24:06] <dmess> why are you out fenn??
[02:24:34] <fenn> you're trying to separate diamonds from a mass of unknown glassy goo, right?
[02:24:48] <fenn> kinda outside my experience range
[02:25:34] <fenn> anyway, what was your question?
[02:25:36] <dmess> no its a mass sample of diamond ore
[02:27:40] <dmess> we believe i've managed to COKE the ore and make it "similarily" graphite....
[02:29:09] <dmess> how can i electrostaticaly charge the "coked" particulate out???
[02:29:40] <cradek> can you use emc to do this?
[02:29:41] <dmess> i have an e-stat generator
[02:30:18] <dmess> it "WILL" control and monitor it...
[02:31:09] <fenn> um, dishsoap?
[02:31:19] <fenn> and warm water
[02:31:32] <dmess> im doing a proof of conceot,,, right now... dream big... ; )
[02:32:58] <dmess> tried... got some in sodium hydrodroxide sittitn' right now
[02:33:43] <dmess> "caustic dissolution"
[02:34:01] <dmess> i dunno
[02:34:18] <dmess> i try... ;(
[02:34:54] <dmess> make smoke... oops..... bu bye
[02:40:38] <dmess> im liken' electro stats for this... and cntroled speed conveyors
[02:42:35] <dmess> im almosts thru hanglesh as a 4th languash ; )
[02:49:40] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[02:54:04] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[03:12:09] <CIA-6> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/hal/classicladder/ (classicladder.c files.c files.h): improved ClassicLadder error handling for missing program files, still could be better
[03:15:13] <CIA-6> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/configs/ (mazak_rf.clp mazak_rf.hal): added a classic ladder program to the mazak project
[03:18:14] <dmess> CIA .. "classic ladder" i interested,,
[03:18:39] <Jymmm> cia is a bot
[03:18:58] <dmess> whom's
[03:19:45] <dmess> got a few moments
[03:21:43] <Jymmm> no clue who's it is... in many channels actually
[03:22:33] <Jymmm> http://cia.navi.cx/
[03:25:40] <dmess> i have never looked really... so im guilty of propogating it ...
[03:27:42] <dmess> how has the mazack project done....workin' machine that behaves???
[03:30:55] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[04:38:15] <Nick49> Hi, newbie from South Africa here
[04:38:26] <cradek> hello
[04:39:09] <Nick49> Just quickly popped in to see the site. Off to bed, it is 04:50 am here :)
[04:39:14] <Nick49> bye all
[05:12:52] <LawrenceG> Jymmm, can you access http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/mplabc30_v1_20_02.tar.gz
[05:34:35] <icee> so I have a stupid EMC question
[05:34:52] <icee> when I click 'zero offset' in axis, sometimes it causes the axis i'm zeroing the offset for to move a little bit
[05:35:00] <icee> is this expected, and if so, why?
[05:41:03] <icee> bah. i really wish the microchip website was working today
[05:50:06] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: Sorta... "The network path was not found." is what is on the page
[05:50:28] <Jymmm> <html><head><title>Error</title></head><body>There are currently no logon servers available to service the logon request.
[05:50:28] <Jymmm> </body></html>
[05:51:07] <Jymmm> the later was on reload
[06:12:56] <CIA-6> 03paul_c * 10emc2-auto/wiki/ (maintain user/3/1833.db user/4/1834.db user/5/1835.db): "Auto update wiki from a cron job. Fri Oct 21 05:30:01 BST 2005 "
[06:31:56] <fenn> * fenn waits and waits and waits
[06:33:14] <Jymmm> * Jymmm controls time in fenn's world and s l o w s i t w a y d o w n
[06:50:49] <fenn> you are too late, my ninjas have already captured the president
[06:50:59] <fenn> mwahahaha!
[06:51:18] <Jymmm> fenn thank gawd! They should have done it sooner
[06:51:25] <Jymmm> like 6 years ago
[06:57:59] <icee> http://lyle.org/~mlyle/
[06:58:06] <icee> ^^ because i'm too lazy to make a homepage
[06:58:47] <Jymmm> * Jymmm just shakes his head *
[06:59:54] <Jymmm> anyone here ever make picture frames before?
[07:16:56] <fenn> right now i'm drawing that picture with my mill :P
[07:51:28] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing routing issues. We'll keep you posted on wallops. To turn on wallops, depending on your client: "/umode +w" or "/mode yournick +w" .... thanks!
[08:08:52] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing routing problems, probably to do with level3, and we're not sure the routes we have will remain stable. Further detail messages will appear via wallops. You can receive wallops on your status window via one of the following commands: "/umode +w" or "/mode YOURNICK +w". Thanks.
[08:15:57] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. If you're interested, and please show care and tact in joining, we're setting up a ##level3 channel to track what's going on. Thanks.
[08:40:22] <K`zan> Night folks.
[08:40:28] <ValarQ> g'dnite
[08:41:29] <alex_joni> night
[08:41:32] <alex_joni> hey captain
[08:41:38] <ValarQ> 'lo civilian :)
[08:42:18] <ValarQ> not just freenode that is netspliting today it seems
[08:53:18] <alex_joni> level3 seems down
[08:54:04] <ValarQ> yeah
[08:54:08] <alex_joni> summary for those who just joined: verio and level3 are having significant issues, and other providers are beginning to route around the problem.
[08:54:29] <ValarQ> http://arda.no-ip.org/internetisdying.png
[09:02:27] <alex_joni> can you access http://www.level3.com/LookingGlass/ ?
[09:09:56] <alex_joni> hmm.. this is crazy: this appears to be financial issues with level3 resulting in deliberate peering interruptions
[09:34:54] <icee> a_j: happens all the time
[09:35:32] <icee> lots of providers who think they should be tier one, but have a big assymmetry in flow..
[09:35:44] <icee> expect to get free peering, when they really should be buying transit
[09:36:21] <icee> this is how the big tier 1s try and shove them into tier 2 land
[09:39:43] <alex_joni> icee: if you say so :)
[09:39:49] <alex_joni> I have really no idea what a tier is
[09:39:59] <icee> tier 1 providers just get connectivity from peering
[09:40:06] <icee> tier 2 providers buy transit from tier 1.
[09:40:17] <icee> when i did backbone engineering at exodus, we had lots of interesting squabbles with sprint and c&w
[09:40:20] <alex_joni> i cee :D
[09:40:32] <icee> and had to come up with clever ways of getting traffic into their network
[09:40:35] <alex_joni> thanks for the info :)
[09:40:38] <icee> np
[09:40:51] <icee> :P
[09:40:58] <alex_joni> icee: might want to join ##level3
[09:41:29] <icee> nah.. bedtime for me, just about
[09:41:54] <alex_joni> ok.. night
[09:42:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni watches the show
[09:42:01] <alex_joni> :)
[09:43:10] <icee> g'nite, have fun ;)
[09:43:19] <CIA-6> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/hal/components/pid.c: changed PID block: D-gain term uses error without deadband to avoid output disturbances caused the step that occurs when error enters or leaves the deadband.
[09:49:00] <alex_joni> ValarQ:still there?
[09:49:21] <alex_joni> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/10/21/two_tierone_isps_are.html
[10:04:42] <anonimasu> morning
[10:04:51] <alex_joni> hi anders
[10:06:21] <anonimasu> hm my net is fast and nice
[10:06:57] <alex_joni> try level3.net
[10:07:04] <alex_joni> or www.cnn.com
[10:07:19] <anonimasu> heh
[10:07:40] <alex_joni> does either work?
[10:08:10] <anonimasu> yes
[10:08:11] <anonimasu> level3.net
[10:09:02] <alex_joni> try level3.com/lookingglass/
[10:09:30] <anonimasu> yeo
[10:09:36] <anonimasu> they cant get under 100ms to me
[10:10:04] <alex_joni> not at all over here
[10:10:07] <anonimasu> hm I should have like 35 us to usa :)
[10:10:28] <alex_joni> US to USA?
[10:10:29] <alex_joni> :D
[10:10:38] <anonimasu> err ms
[10:10:53] <alex_joni> ok :)
[10:11:35] <anonimasu> all thir routing is dead today
[10:11:37] <anonimasu> dead/slow
[10:11:52] <anonimasu> Ping from DECIX NAP Frankfurt -
[10:11:52] <anonimasu> icmp_seq=0 time=40 ms
[10:11:53] <anonimasu> icmp_seq=1 time=44 ms
[10:12:01] <anonimasu> that's the best result..
[10:12:10] <alex_joni> it's on backup now.. was totally crapped out
[10:12:20] <alex_joni> anonimasu: if you care, join ##level3
[11:42:03] <anonimasu> great the place where I sent a enquiry about solenoids dosent know shit about solenoids
[11:42:06] <anonimasu> YAY!
[12:28:35] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky
[12:29:33] <Jacky^> mmmm
[12:29:38] <Jacky^> morning
[12:40:14] <CIA-6> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/ (command.c control.c mot_priv.h motion.c): Added an enable HAL pin to the motion controller. This lets motion be interlocked with external things (such as hydraulic pressure or lube or whatever)
[12:42:39] <CIA-6> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/configs/ (mazak_rf.clp mazak_rf.hal mazak_rf.ini): more progress, X axis now works under EMC control
[12:42:56] <alex_joni> that sounds exciting :)
[12:43:36] <jmkasunich> it is satisfying
[12:43:51] <alex_joni> oh, hi John
[12:43:55] <jmkasunich> would be better if it wasn't gawd-awful late, on the last day I'm here
[12:44:02] <jmkasunich> (maybe)
[12:44:06] <alex_joni> last day?
[12:44:26] <jmkasunich> was originally planning on driving back home Saturday, so Friday would be the last day
[12:44:29] <jmkasunich> it's 6am now
[12:44:35] <alex_joni> one quick question..
[12:44:44] <alex_joni> the HAL enable pin (input or output?)
[12:44:45] <jmkasunich> very quick I hope
[12:44:55] <alex_joni> from your comment I guess input to motion
[12:44:57] <jmkasunich> input to the motion controller
[12:44:59] <alex_joni> ok
[12:45:08] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks about another one as output
[12:45:15] <alex_joni> to idle drives & co
[12:45:28] <jmkasunich> there are already amp-enable outputs
[12:45:41] <alex_joni> ok.. been a while since I looked at it :/
[12:45:46] <jmkasunich> there is also a motioin-enabled parameter, could be converted to a pin if there is a need for it
[12:45:47] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: go get some sleep
[12:45:54] <jmkasunich> yes sir
[12:46:05] <Jacky^> :)
[12:46:05] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich is now known as jmk_sleep
[12:46:21] <alex_joni> Jacky^: see.. that's the proper way to address me :D
[12:46:38] <Jacky^> hehehe
[12:46:59] <Jacky^> my drivers are in rooome :)
[12:47:11] <alex_joni> nice
[12:47:19] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ love ups
[12:47:26] <Jacky^> :D
[12:49:20] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hates them
[14:15:12] <alex_joni> hi les_away
[14:28:03] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. Due to the level3 problems, we're left needing some rehubbing. This should take but a couple of minutes, but it will be high impact. Apologies in advance.
[14:31:04] <lilo> [Global Notice] All done. Thanks to everyone for your patience, and thank you for using freenode! Have a great afternoon.
[15:07:53] <alex_joni> does anyone understand this : http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1221682&group_id=6744&atid=356744 ?
[15:11:49] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[15:11:50] <alex_joni> later guys
[15:18:42] <les_away> morning
[15:19:16] <cradek> hello
[15:20:18] <les_away> well might be actually machining today
[15:20:50] <les_away> just moved in a 4x8 sheet of HDU that was delivered
[15:21:03] <les_away> used the bucket forks...it's heavy
[15:21:59] <les_away> hack of a big gcode file for this job
[15:22:03] <les_away> heck
[15:22:16] <les_away> good TP check!
[15:23:03] <les_away> price of this stuff is getting out of hand...$300/sheet
[15:25:20] <rayh> Mornin les
[15:26:41] <les_away> morning ray
[15:26:53] <les_away> cold?
[15:27:03] <rayh> looks like alex went away. Got some puppy notes for him.
[15:27:13] <les_away> heh
[15:27:21] <les_away> yeah he is driving home
[15:27:22] <rayh> Not to bad les. I'm at rolands in Il right now.
[15:27:37] <les_away> oh working on the mazak
[15:27:38] <rayh> In the 40's I think.
[15:27:52] <rayh> Don't pay much attention until -40
[15:27:58] <les_away> heh
[15:28:12] <les_away> mountain snow pedicted next week here
[15:28:21] <rayh> That time of year.
[15:28:34] <les_away> only above 5000 feet
[15:29:03] <rayh> What's the elevation at your home?
[15:29:27] <les_away> 2200 but at higher elevations...well look
[15:29:29] <les_away> http://www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/weather.html
[15:30:42] <rayh> Nice thanks.
[15:30:45] <les_away> oh you know, that's wrong. look at the big temp wind chill spread. but no wind!
[15:31:06] <les_away> bird poop on the sensors
[15:31:41] <les_away> so still wiring up the machine?
[15:31:48] <les_away> I have some rewiring to do
[15:31:57] <jepler> that tracker report alex_joni mentioned earlier is in chinese.
[15:32:03] <rayh> Yep. We got classic ladder running with EMC last evening.
[15:32:18] <jepler> helpfully mangled by sf's software into something unreadable by even someone who understands chinese
[15:32:19] <rayh> It's handling the IO logic chores.
[15:32:28] <les_away> oh...neat.
[15:32:57] <rayh> Yep.
[15:33:19] <rayh> jmk set it up so that the logic runs whenever you start the mazak.
[15:33:26] <les_away> I may need to talk to a vfd in a console terminal here
[15:33:39] <les_away> rs 485
[15:34:09] <les_away> I'm gonna let emc run it then
[15:34:18] <les_away> from parport
[15:34:19] <rayh> Paul and Matt did a bit of that after codeFest this spring.
[15:34:26] <les_away> and stg analog out
[15:35:04] <rayh> The Hardinge lathe has a vfd from automationdirect.
[15:35:38] <les_away> you know, code for a 4 kW 3 phase spindle is 3X#8 wire?
[15:35:40] <rayh> I'm not certain how far they got with it.
[15:35:42] <les_away> seems silly
[15:35:51] <les_away> 15 amps per leg at 240
[15:35:59] <les_away> #8???
[15:36:12] <cncuser> jojo
[15:36:47] <jepler> hey
[15:37:00] <cncuser> i have a few more questions regarding ferror, min_ferror and traj_error
[15:37:06] <cncuser> hi jepler :)
[15:37:13] <rayh> cncuser: Running puppy here now.
[15:37:16] <les_away> servo or step?
[15:37:23] <cncuser> rayh: cool, how does it work ?
[15:37:25] <cradek> I wish someone would put the ferror explanation on the wiki
[15:37:29] <rayh> Good.
[15:37:51] <cncuser> like what is one ferror ? steps, microsteps, phantastodollar ?
[15:38:04] <les_away> It works great for me after that abs() fix a while back
[15:38:08] <cradek> microfurlong
[15:38:09] <rayh> I saw that it mounted one of my partitions but didn't unmount so Linux checked it on a reboot.
[15:38:41] <cncuser> rayh: hmm, not good. was there a clean shutdown ?
[15:38:59] <rayh> Yes I think so. Let me try it again.
[15:39:13] <cncuser> rayh: nice.
[15:39:18] <rayh> Here is the output of the mount utility
[15:39:28] <rayh> WELCOME!
[15:39:28] <rayh> Here is the current status:
[15:39:28] <rayh> * Cdrom /dev/cdrom not mounted
[15:39:29] <rayh> * Floppy /dev/fd0 not mounted
[15:39:29] <rayh> * vfat partition /dev/hda6 is mounted on /mnt/home,
[15:39:30] <rayh> file /mnt/home/102 is mounted on /root
[15:39:30] <rayh> * Linux ext3 partition /dev/hda1 not mounted
[15:39:32] <rayh> * 2nd Linux ext3 partition /dev/hda2 not mounted
[15:39:34] <rayh> * 3rd Linux ext3 partition /dev/hda5 not m
[15:40:08] <rayh> problem is that hda6 is not a vfat it's a full install of 4.20d
[15:40:38] <cncuser> hmmm
[15:42:00] <cncuser> rayh: strange. what does fdisk -l /dev/hda say about the type ?
[15:42:22] <rayh> Yep same thing "check forced."
[15:43:00] <rayh> I'll have to reboot it to puppy -- started 4.30 now. Will check with that then reboot.
[15:43:08] <cncuser> could you type mount in the shell ?
[15:43:42] <rayh> box is athalon 64
[15:43:50] <cncuser> rayh: nice :)
[15:46:18] <cncuser> cradek: hahha :) overread that
[15:48:40] <rayh> Disk /dev/hda6: 8027 MB, 8027841024 bytes
[15:48:40] <rayh> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 975 cylinders
[15:48:41] <rayh> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[15:48:41] <rayh> Disk /dev/hda6 doesn't contain a valid partition table
[15:48:44] <cncuser> for i have a small error when cutting a 20*20mm woodpiece. with a 1mm driller. i have 18,89 and 19,20mm. i think i got period correct (small ferror no ferror warnings, and high period (80 on a p4 2,6ghz)
[15:48:56] <cncuser> rayh: fdisk -l /dev/hda
[15:49:06] <rayh> ah. okay.
[15:49:55] <rayh> says its a fat32.
[15:50:02] <rayh> That's odd.
[15:50:13] <cncuser> no its not
[15:50:53] <cncuser> just do fdisk /dev/hda , and use t, 6, 83 to change it, or use cfdisk /dev/hda for graphical interface
[15:51:03] <cncuser> rayh: its just some bits
[15:51:30] <cncuser> what filesystem ?
[15:53:06] <cncuser> hmm
[15:53:08] <cncuser> well, yes
[15:53:09] <cncuser> and
[15:53:33] <cncuser> you should boot puppy with the option 3, to not make it use the harddisk
[15:53:53] <rayh> I didn't plan for it to use the hd. It just did.
[15:54:14] <cncuser> read the warning :)
[15:54:28] <cncuser> type 3 at boot and it will only use the swappartitions
[15:55:07] <cncuser> rayh: but you should fix you partitiontable anyhow ;)
[15:55:20] <rayh> Right. I'm headed there.
[15:56:06] <cncuser> should i change puppys default behavior with filesystemmounts ?
[15:56:26] <cncuser> it would make it unusable on machines with less then 128mb ram
[15:57:08] <cncuser> ill do a 4th option dont use anything only i think. any suggestions are welcome
[15:57:23] <rayh> Ah. Then it's probably better not to do it.
[15:57:58] <rayh> I like the "smallness" of it.
[15:58:34] <cncuser> ray: me too :) i want to get it into an 20mb iso with the next release :) (including xmesa, python, axis)
[15:58:51] <rayh> weneger is besser it think the add said.
[15:59:01] <cncuser> hehe
[15:59:37] <cncuser> btw. planned releasedate is wednesday
[16:00:06] <jepler> * jepler marks his calendar
[16:00:12] <cncuser> hehe :)
[16:00:33] <rayh> Great.
[16:01:07] <rayh> cncuser: you had a question about ferror?
[16:01:11] <cncuser> hmm, i think i make a bugreport wiki
[16:01:45] <rayh> good plan.
[16:02:05] <cncuser> rayh: well, yes, what do the numbers actually mean ? pulses ? micropulses, or microfurlong *g*
[16:02:51] <rayh> Ich weis nicht! I tend to think of them as percent of one unit?
[16:03:07] <rayh> If the unit is mm then it is a very small distance.
[16:03:19] <rayh> if inch then it is 25.4 times larger.
[16:03:53] <cncuser> ok
[16:04:17] <rayh> Ferror and Min_ferror make a trip line from ferror at rapid to min_ferror at very slow speeds
[16:04:40] <cncuser> dont get that one
[16:04:45] <jepler> ABORT: Internal polygon error 71
[16:05:03] <cncuser> omg, those stupid poligons
[16:05:06] <jepler> (eagle, the pcb software, just crashed on me)
[16:05:10] <rayh> a graph with ferror as one axis
[16:05:18] <rayh> and velocity as the other
[16:05:20] <cradek> jepler: I've never seen eagle crash before
[16:05:24] <cncuser> jepler: nice, you use eagle ?
[16:05:41] <cncuser> jepler: do you know how to export cgode for pcb milling with it ?
[16:06:41] <cncuser> rayh: ok
[16:07:37] <rayh> Henkka (yty.net/cnc) has some stuff for it.
[16:07:48] <rayh> converting eagle to cnc that is.
[16:07:59] <jepler> cncuser: Cradek and I have a "ulp" (eagle user language) script to do it.
[16:08:09] <jepler> cncuser: there are also scripts to convert gerber files to g-code, but I've never used them
[16:08:26] <cncuser> jepler: do you share it ? :)
[16:08:27] <cradek> they also have some ulps on www.cadsoft.de to do it
[16:08:33] <cradek> I think there are plenty to choose from
[16:08:40] <cncuser> ic, thanks
[16:09:17] <jepler> cncuser: http://unpy.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/eagle/ulp/gcode.ulp -- I think rev 1.2 is stable, 1.3 is not very much tested.
[16:09:39] <jepler> you also need a file similar to singlesided.gpar from the same directory to specify depths and feed rates
[16:09:49] <cncuser> nice
[16:10:55] <jepler> it can mill traces, drill holes, and cut out the board
[16:11:33] <cncuser> woow :)
[16:13:56] <cncuser> nice linkr ayh
[16:16:31] <jepler> * jepler looks at ray's link
[16:19:39] <cradek> I'm about to make a small surface mount board
[16:19:46] <cradek> I'll have to take pictures of it
[16:20:06] <Jymmm> cradek I just want to see the pic after it's stuffed =)
[16:20:14] <cncuser> hahaha
[16:20:22] <cradek> ?
[16:20:28] <cncuser> cradek: what do you buold ?
[16:20:43] <Jymmm> cradek: solder bridges, etc
[16:21:00] <cradek> Jymmm: I can solder SMD perfectly fine, thank you
[16:21:10] <Jymmm> cradek: 46 pin ?
[16:21:33] <cradek> Jymmm: this is a SOIC-20 and some 0603, some 0805 parts
[16:21:50] <cncuser> cradek: what technique do you use for smd soldering ?
[16:21:51] <Jymmm> oh, no flat packs huh
[16:22:23] <cradek> cncuser: by hand with tweezers, soldering iron and solder
[16:22:40] <cncuser> i grilled some some lm75 and one atmega169v latley, using a soldering iron
[16:23:12] <Jymmm> cncuser what did you marinate them with?
[16:23:28] <cradek> cncuser: I put a light coating of paste flux over the entire well-cleaned board before I start
[16:24:27] <Jymmm> It's just the flatpacks that are so tedious to solder each and every pin w/o worrying about solderbridges..
[16:24:43] <cncuser> i think ill try the heatplate next, or use some hairdryer
[16:25:08] <cncuser> Jymmm: solderingfluid
[16:25:24] <Jymmm> fluid?
[16:25:32] <Jymmm> you mena flux?
[16:25:33] <cncuser> well,, the flux gets fluid
[16:25:39] <cncuser> yes
[16:25:58] <cncuser> the thin in the can and in the core of the solder
[16:26:06] <Jymmm> the flux I'm not worried about, it's the solder connected to pins 1 thru 20 =)
[16:26:13] <cncuser> yes shure
[16:26:22] <cncuser> <Jymmm> cncuser what did you marinate them with?
[16:26:32] <Jymmm> oh, duh...
[16:26:37] <Jymmm> lol
[16:26:47] <Jymmm> * Jymmm is a victim of his own joke!
[16:27:14] <cncuser> hehe ;)
[16:27:27] <cncuser> smile, you are on irc.logs
[16:28:57] <cncuser> cradek: i did that too :) but i think it takes me too long to get the pads hot enough for the solder. so i grill the mcu
[16:29:29] <cradek> cncuser: everything has to be perfect - the board has to be clean and fluxed, the iron has to be the right temperature, etc
[16:29:37] <cncuser> yes
[16:30:12] <cradek> cncuser: if you have that, it's really easy, it goes almost as fast as thru-hole
[16:30:18] <cncuser> cradek: much to many points of failure :) i think after i mill my first psb. i give the cnc a solderingrobotarm ;)
[16:31:22] <cncuser> shouldnt be more trouble then drilling a hole. with a servo for endless solder.
[16:33:03] <cncuser> well, gotta go
[16:33:04] <cncuser> bye
[17:47:37] <etla> hi
[17:50:35] <rayh> Hi Dan.
[17:51:45] <dan_falck> hi ray
[17:52:07] <dan_falck> I have a vacation day today
[17:52:18] <dan_falck> actually don't have a thing planned
[17:52:34] <dan_falck> might just sit here and play my guitar ;)
[17:53:21] <dan_falck> are you in Galesburg today?
[17:54:20] <rayh> Yes.
[17:54:40] <dan_falck> how's the project going?
[17:54:55] <rayh> We got classicladder running with emc and a few rungs pulling estop and turning on axis power.
[17:56:52] <rayh> That is with the HAL and classicladder's HAL module.
[17:56:57] <etla> anyone got experience sizing/choosing servos for mills ?
[17:57:02] <rayh> Thanks to PeteV for than.
[17:57:30] <rayh> etla: I think you want to talk with les -- when he's around.
[17:58:10] <etla> ok, I'm wondering how far 400W BLDC servos will get me ...
[17:59:09] <rayh> about half a horse if you think in those terms.
[18:00:08] <etla> yes.
[18:06:02] <etla> what's the typical efficiency of a ballscrew ? 80% ?
[18:07:02] <Jymmm> * Jymmm pictures a horse with only two legs walking down the street.
[18:07:21] <rayh> left two or right?
[18:07:32] <Jymmm> front two actually
[18:07:36] <rayh> At least 80%
[18:08:00] <etla> ok...
[18:14:15] <etla> what's the typical gearing used on bldc servos, would 2:1 be ok ?
[18:15:58] <Jymmm> This is very cool... In 'pipedream' notice the patterns of air in the water tubes... http://www.taomc.com/bits2bots/geyser-bot.htm
[18:28:09] <Jymmm> http://www.taomc.com/bits2bots/smdschem.gif
[18:31:27] <etla> ?
[18:31:54] <Jymmm> it's a stepper drive using basic components
[18:32:22] <etla> yes, but who would want such a simple circuit ?
[18:32:39] <Jymmm> you can use any power transistor you wanted
[18:33:19] <etla> I've already done two machines with steppers, servos will be the next thing for me.
[18:41:54] <jmk_sleep> jmk_sleep is now known as jmkasunich
[18:43:20] <etla> does anyone know how I reset the variables in the var file ?
[18:54:30] <etla> anyone good at tuning stepper systems here ?
[18:54:46] <etla> I'm getting following errors when deccelerating from long g0 moves.
[18:54:52] <etla> but not from short ones...
[18:58:30] <Timbo_> Timbo_ is now known as Timbo
[19:11:41] <anonimasu> I am so fscked..hello
[19:11:49] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[19:11:56] <anonimasu> damn place I called about solenoids earlier today
[19:12:21] <anonimasu> moron squad..
[19:14:02] <etla> heh
[19:14:35] <anonimasu> the person I called asked me to please send a mail about it..
[19:15:10] <anonimasu> then they messed around, and asked me if I could use something other then the solenoids I specifically enquired about
[19:15:37] <etla> are you good at power electronics ?
[19:15:41] <anonimasu> and they stocked one solenoid that had a somewhat ok spec.. but not nearly right..
[19:15:45] <anonimasu> not really
[19:16:12] <etla> how hard would it be to build a BLDC servo amp ?
[19:16:34] <anonimasu> well first they asked about the quantity, and then they said it were hard to fix if I only needded 2 of them..
[19:16:38] <anonimasu> no idea
[19:16:47] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[19:16:58] <etla> what do you need the coils for
[19:16:59] <Jymmm> anonimasu: niniature or full size?
[19:17:23] <anonimasu> Jymmm: 10mm action..
[19:17:36] <Jymmm> anonimasu: Just a sec...
[19:17:44] <anonimasu> Jymmm: 7nm..
[19:17:57] <Jymmm> nm or mm ?
[19:18:03] <anonimasu> err
[19:18:07] <anonimasu> 10mm action 7N
[19:18:08] <anonimasu> of force..
[19:18:28] <Jymmm> 10mm == 1cm, correct?
[19:18:32] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:18:42] <Jymmm> hold on bitch.... let me look it up
[19:19:28] <anonimasu> but there's no time..
[19:19:41] <anonimasu> going to re-design the throttle mechanism to match
[19:21:21] <Jymmm> I had to pull out everything to grab one that I have...
[19:24:20] <Jymmm> anonimasu: http://www.ledex.com/
[19:24:50] <Jymmm> anonimasu: If they dont have what you need, you probably won't find it off the shelf.
[19:24:53] <anonimasu> Jymmm: shipping the 3 servos here cost 120$
[19:25:13] <anonimasu> :/
[19:25:26] <Jymmm> anonimasu from surpluscenter?
[19:25:38] <anonimasu> yep
[19:25:49] <anonimasu> that's without the tax..
[19:26:13] <Jymmm> anonimasu: I believe Ledex has reps aroudn the world. Just ask for samples.
[19:27:03] <Jymmm> hey, office is switzerland
[19:27:12] <Jymmm> Saia-Burgess Electronics Holding AG
[19:27:12] <Jymmm> Bahnhofstrasse 18
[19:27:12] <Jymmm> 3280 Murten
[19:27:12] <Jymmm> Switzerland
[19:27:12] <Jymmm> T +41 26 672 71 11
[19:27:12] <Jymmm> F +41 26 670 10 38
[19:28:19] <Jymmm> http://www.saia-burgess.com/2302/2343/2756/2757/2770.asp
[19:29:08] <anonimasu> the life is too short to worry about it..
[19:29:13] <anonimasu> I need solution before monday
[19:29:45] <Jymmm> anonimasu : Well, pick up the phone then.
[19:30:07] <Jymmm> I went to a local dealer and picked up samples from them.
[19:30:13] <anonimasu> there is no local dealer..
[19:30:16] <anonimasu> it seemsl..
[19:30:29] <anonimasu> I am in north sweden
[19:30:40] <Jymmm> so, call them.
[19:30:46] <Jymmm> I just gave you the number
[19:31:06] <anonimasu> it's ok, we are building around the problem..
[19:33:14] <Jymmm> Damn Sweed's... they come in whining and bitching, dig out old stuff to help out, give them a solution, and they still bitch, whine, moan, and complain. *ARGH*
[19:33:33] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I never asked for you to solve it..
[19:34:00] <anonimasu> Jymmm: the trouble is always ship times, and replacement times.. this is a very special app..
[19:34:59] <anonimasu> alex..
[19:38:44] <anonimasu> Jymmm: but thanks anyway ,)
[19:45:35] <etla> how do I reset the values in the var file ??
[19:50:08] <anonimasu> edit the file
[19:50:34] <etla> but the strange values come back when I restart emc
[19:50:55] <anonimasu> do you have any idea where they come from?
[19:51:57] <etla> nope... this problem started when I switched to axis
[19:52:04] <etla> tkemc and mini worked fine
[19:52:20] <etla> now I need to do a G92x0y0z0 when emc starts, when I open a file etc
[19:53:07] <anonimasu> :/
[19:53:10] <anonimasu> no idea with that then
[19:53:13] <anonimasu> I've never tried axis
[19:53:26] <etla> the backplotter is nice
[19:58:35] <alex_joni> anonimasu: here now
[19:58:44] <anonimasu> nice
[19:59:07] <alex_joni> etla: bug cradek about this :)
[19:59:41] <anonimasu> alex_joni: do you know how to work out a ratio?
[19:59:49] <alex_joni> what ratio?
[19:59:50] <etla> ya, he told me to upgrade from the version that came with bdi4.30
[19:59:56] <etla> I havent upgraded yet
[19:59:58] <anonimasu> on a lever..
[20:00:18] <anonimasu> I'll give you a drawing of it later
[20:00:21] <anonimasu> need to shower first
[20:00:50] <alex_joni> lever?
[20:00:54] <alex_joni> don't think so..
[20:01:02] <alex_joni> anyways.. not beeing around very long
[20:01:12] <alex_joni> * alex_joni just came home after a very long day
[20:01:15] <alex_joni> 12h+
[20:01:23] <alex_joni> and only 4h sleep last night
[20:01:27] <anonimasu> I got home a moment ago..
[20:01:30] <anonimasu> just had dinner..
[20:01:52] <alex_joni> coo
[20:38:32] <lety> hello, i'm a new emc user and i was wondering if anyone could help me with some problems i'm having
[20:38:43] <cradek> ask away, and we'll see
[20:38:48] <alex_joni> lety: shoot
[20:38:53] <anonimasu> sure :9
[20:38:55] <anonimasu> :)
[20:39:00] <alex_joni> if we won't be any help, you can shoot us :)
[20:39:09] <cradek> I wouldn't go that far...
[20:39:17] <lety> thanx
[20:39:18] <alex_joni> cradek: virtually speaking
[20:39:21] <anonimasu> you can shoot alex ;)
[20:39:34] <cradek> if we can't help, I'll shoot alex for you
[20:39:34] <alex_joni> lety: but you need a big gun to reach that far
[20:39:50] <alex_joni> * alex_joni activates his superpowershield
[20:40:05] <lety> well, i installed BDI 4.30 and set up my ini files and tried to make emc work
[20:40:39] <alex_joni> sounds ok so far
[20:41:08] <lety> but every time i load it I get a message that says can't install freqmod and then the program closes
[20:41:24] <cradek> * cradek shoots alex
[20:41:25] <alex_joni> huh.. did you use your own ini file?
[20:41:52] <alex_joni> I mean ones you had on previous emc's ?
[20:42:36] <alex_joni> lety: can you past the exact error you are receiving?
[20:42:42] <lety> sure
[20:42:55] <lety> inivar = plat/nonrealtime/bin/inivar
[20:42:55] <lety> INIFILE = generic.ini
[20:42:55] <lety> RS274NGC_PARAMFILE = generic.var
[20:42:56] <lety> starting emc...
[20:42:56] <lety> starting EMC MOTION PROGRAM -- freqmod...
[20:42:57] <lety> NUTS********************
[20:42:57] <lety> modprobe freqmod
[20:42:59] <alex_joni> sure on which question ?
[20:42:59] <lety> can't install freqmod
[20:43:01] <lety> generic.ini was not changed.
[20:43:03] <lety> generic.var was not changed.
[20:43:13] <lety> the last one
[20:43:16] <alex_joni> what's that NUTS**** there?
[20:43:56] <lety> i don't know, it's what apears when i run either emc.run or generic.run
[20:43:59] <cradek> that's in generic.run
[20:44:03] <lety> yep
[20:44:18] <cradek> what changes have you made to the ini?
[20:44:38] <cradek> you might get NUTS if you don't have IO_BASE_ADDRESS
[20:44:48] <lety> I just changed the units to make it work with mm
[20:44:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni would like to see the last few lines of /var/log/messages
[20:45:17] <Jymmm> alex_joni coredumo
[20:45:19] <Jymmm> p
[20:45:20] <cradek> pcount=`sudo /sbin/modinfo -p $emcmot | grep IO_BASE_ADDRESS | wc -l`
[20:45:27] <cradek> if [ $pcount -eq 1]; then
[20:45:29] <cradek> .....
[20:45:30] <cradek> else
[20:45:35] <cradek> echo "NUTS*****..."
[20:45:35] <cradek> fi
[20:45:36] <alex_joni> cradek: it looks for emcmot running
[20:45:55] <alex_joni> if it's not running (or found at the IO_BASE_ADDRESS) it says NUTS
[20:46:39] <Jymmm> * Jymmm attaches a tesla coil to alex_joni's shield
[20:46:40] <alex_joni> lety: did you touch PERIOD?
[20:46:45] <cradek> what a great error message
[20:47:02] <alex_joni> cradek: helpfull too
[20:47:05] <cradek> * cradek sighs
[20:47:09] <alex_joni> easy to i18n-ize
[20:47:17] <alex_joni> VER�CKT**************
[20:47:18] <lety> no i didn't
[20:47:23] <alex_joni> LOCO*************
[20:47:24] <alex_joni> :D
[20:47:39] <alex_joni> FOUS********************
[20:47:50] <alex_joni> lety: I have to ask you something...
[20:47:59] <alex_joni> does emc run with the initial ini ?
[20:48:07] <alex_joni> without changing anything to it?
[20:48:53] <lety> no, it doesn't
[20:49:00] <alex_joni> same problem?
[20:49:04] <lety> yep
[20:49:12] <alex_joni> ok.. so might have said that all along..
[20:49:32] <alex_joni> can you paste the lines from 'tail /var/log/messages' ?
[20:49:34] <Jymmm> * Jymmm points to BIOS
[20:49:41] <alex_joni> just after the error
[20:49:46] <cradek> lety: did you check the md5sum of your iso before you burnt the cd?
[20:49:53] <alex_joni> *BIOS points to Jymmm
[20:50:12] <Jymmm> alex_joni paraport base addr and settings
[20:50:33] <alex_joni> it shouldn't fail like that
[20:50:37] <alex_joni> I think...
[20:50:42] <lety> cradek: I didn't burn the cd, a friend of mine who knows more about linux did
[20:51:00] <alex_joni> lety: just to make sure.. do you know on which address your parport is?
[20:51:18] <alex_joni> usually it's 0x378.. but it might be 0x278 (you see the address during booting)
[20:51:38] <lety> 0x378
[20:51:49] <cradek> dmesg |grep parport0
[20:52:50] <alex_joni> lety: how about that /var/log/messages ?
[20:53:37] <Imperator_> Hi all
[20:54:44] <alex_joni> hey Martin
[20:55:35] <lety> alex_joni: i'm not sure what you want me to paste (sorry i'm pretty much new to linux)
[20:55:44] <alex_joni> ok.. run this command
[20:55:53] <alex_joni> sudo tail /var/log/messages
[20:55:58] <alex_joni> and paste the result..
[21:00:25] <lety> i get this message "lety is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported."
[21:00:34] <cradek> aha
[21:00:49] <cradek> you made a new user
[21:01:02] <cradek> your new user can't sudo to insert kernel modules
[21:01:12] <Jymmm> alex_joni: <alex_joni> *BIOS points to Jymmm I/O Address Not Found, Try Twilight Zone Segment
[21:01:38] <alex_joni> cradek: right on
[21:01:56] <jepler> what are the units ofthe slider in TkEMC labeled "Axis Speed"?
[21:02:09] <alex_joni> percent
[21:02:17] <cradek> no, the other one
[21:02:19] <alex_joni> no.. wait I think user units
[21:02:23] <jepler> it goes up to 72
[21:02:31] <alex_joni> ipm?
[21:02:39] <jepler> (with the default config on the puppy linux emc)
[21:03:44] <jepler> yeah, with it set at 1, holding down the key for around 15 seconds got me to 0.2567
[21:03:53] <jepler> so maybe it is user units per minute
[21:04:40] <rcsu> alex_joni: is it possible to have the fast realtime task on one host and the other on a different host ?
[21:04:57] <alex_joni> it is.. but they won't be able to comunicate
[21:04:58] <alex_joni> :D
[21:05:13] <alex_joni> unless.. you have a common shared memory
[21:05:29] <lety> so what user do i have to use so i can run it? or how can i make my new user sudo?
[21:05:39] <rcsu> hmm, so MPI can be a solution ?
[21:05:40] <jepler> lety: edit /etc/sudoers.conf as root to let the new user use sudo
[21:05:44] <alex_joni> lety: first you need to log in as root
[21:05:52] <alex_joni> then do what jepler said
[21:06:09] <alex_joni> rcsu: might.. not sure how much you would need to code yourself :/
[21:13:32] <rcsu> * rcsu should set up the stuff first before thinking about such nonsense
[21:16:14] <alex_joni> rcsu: not really.. even discussions help sometimes
[21:16:39] <lety> jepler: which part of the sudoers.conf do i have to edit to allow my user to sudo (as i said before:new to linux...feel so useless)
[21:17:00] <alex_joni> you need to add your username to the file
[21:18:33] <cradek> he means /etc/sudoers
[21:18:41] <cradek> notice the last line
[21:18:46] <cradek> copy it, changing emc to lety
[21:18:56] <cradek> so your new line says
[21:19:00] <cradek> lety ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL
[21:19:54] <cradek> or, you could try following the instructions about letting a user "john" run emc without a password
[21:20:11] <cradek> it depends what you want to allow lety to do (only run emc, or do anything)
[21:21:54] <alex_joni> night guys
[21:21:57] <alex_joni> * alex_joni crashes
[21:22:25] <rcsu> night alex_joni
[21:34:12] <lety> yes!!!! it runs!!!
[21:34:38] <cradek> yay
[21:34:39] <lety> thank you very much everyone who helped me
[21:34:49] <cradek> now change your user interface to axis
[21:35:19] <cradek> DISPLAY = axis
[21:35:24] <k4ts> hello
[21:35:30] <k4ts> hicccccc
[21:35:36] <lety> ok
[21:36:46] <k4ts> :-(
[21:37:39] <k4ts> Jacky^ you drink whit me?
[21:38:55] <Jacky^> O_O
[21:41:05] <etla> anyone know how brushless dc servos are driven ?
[21:41:45] <lety> Cradek: I changed the user interface and now it runs axis without problem. Thanx!
[21:43:33] <Jymmm> lol... Jacky^ popped up on the mention of liquid refreshments
[21:43:42] <cradek> lety: welcome. good luck with it
[21:45:21] <Jymmm> Oh... does anyone have any good links that explain tool deflection by chance?
[21:45:42] <anonimasu> are you having trouble with it=
[21:46:18] <Jymmm> Yeah, but only in the vertical motion it seems
[21:46:28] <Jymmm> y axis in this case
[21:47:03] <anonimasu> try taking lighter cuts..
[21:50:00] <Jymmm> define 'lighter'... slower feed? less removal per pass?
[21:50:29] <Jacky^> hi Jymmm ..
[21:50:31] <Jacky^> :/
[21:50:36] <Jymmm> and why does it ocure in only one direction, but not the other?
[21:50:53] <Jymmm> hi Jacky^ =)
[21:53:51] <k4ts> hhiiiiiiiii
[21:54:28] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Defcon3
[21:55:37] <Defcon3> Defcon3 is now known as Defcon2
[21:57:02] <k4ts> defcon2 yupo drink whit me'
[21:57:07] <k4ts> you
[21:57:27] <Defcon2> Defcon2 is now known as Defcon1
[21:59:00] <Jymmm> NACAIRSEASYSCOM
[21:59:08] <Jymmm> NAVAIRSEASYSCOM
[22:04:12] <k4ts> Jacky^
[22:04:16] <k4ts> hellooooooooo
[22:04:55] <Jacky^> umpf
[22:05:07] <k4ts> ah ah
[22:05:19] <k4ts> hi lesss
[22:11:09] <k4ts> sera a tutti hi
[22:11:29] <les_away> who was that?
[22:11:43] <Jacky^> les_away: anna_emc ..
[22:11:51] <les_away> oh haha
[22:11:53] <Jacky^> shes drinked a bit
[22:12:00] <Jacky^> lol
[22:12:04] <les_away> i figured that
[22:12:33] <anonimasu> hm
[22:12:59] <les_away> well friday night...why not!
[22:13:22] <Jacky^> damn ..
[22:13:47] <Jacky^> :)
[22:15:13] <les_away> it is about the end of the workday for me
[22:15:34] <les_away> had a big 1 megabyte g code file to run...but nahhh
[22:15:35] <Jacky^> mmhh.. i will work sunday too
[22:15:39] <Jacky^> uff
[22:15:50] <les_away> I might cut it tommorow
[22:16:15] <Jacky^> les_away: the geckodrivers are in rome
[22:16:36] <Jacky^> next step, abba rails ;P
[22:16:42] <les_away> right
[22:16:59] <etla> anyone know a good link where brushless dc motors are explained ?
[22:17:11] <Jacky^> etla yes
[22:17:14] <les_away> as in the surplus sales ones?
[22:17:15] <Jacky^> @ moment
[22:17:21] <etla> yes :)
[22:17:40] <etla> haven't ordered yet but thinking...
[22:17:50] <les_away> not many left?
[22:18:01] <etla> 1kw is gone
[22:18:39] <etla> how hard would it be to build a servo amp for these ?
[22:19:06] <les_away> well etla, some members here have decided to do that
[22:19:10] <les_away> to design it
[22:19:17] <les_away> and post instructions
[22:19:28] <etla> great !
[22:19:34] <etla> any webpages ?
[22:19:37] <les_away> Icee and Lawrence G
[22:19:54] <Jacky^> etla: mmhh .. not translate yet.. the page i know ..
[22:19:55] <les_away> not yet. Talk to them on this list
[22:19:58] <Jacky^> http://www.vincenzov.net/eng/index.htm
[22:20:17] <Jacky^> http://www.vincenzov.net/tutorial/motoridc/motoridc.htm
[22:20:26] <Jacky^> check for english ver.
[22:20:42] <Jacky^> sorry :(
[22:20:59] <etla> ok...
[22:21:03] <etla> you also from ita ?
[22:21:15] <Jacky^> :) y.
[22:21:25] <Jacky^> you ?
[22:21:40] <etla> the land of nokia and linux... can you guess ?
[22:21:50] <Jacky^> nice :-)
[22:22:02] <Jacky^> finland ?
[22:22:05] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:22:07] <etla> yes!
[22:23:19] <etla> I will have to talk to icee
[22:24:04] <etla> I think he was here yesterday
[22:25:48] <les_away> les_away is now known as les_w
[22:53:29] <Jymmm> Hi Les Double U
[22:53:49] <Jymmm> * Jymmm didn't know they have Western Dude Ranches in Georgia
[23:11:14] <alpha> is that where gay cowboys go?
[23:27:55] <les_w> all righr all right
[23:28:09] <les_w> more lesses showed up on freenode
[23:36:24] <les_w> or less mores
[23:39:32] <Jymmm> les_w Hey guess what... I altered the CAM to use two different sized bits... 70 minutes later it was done! Ran the 2nd set of gcode for it and the SOB dived right thru the workpiece and then snapped the bit!
[23:39:44] <Jymmm> That was attempt #3
[23:40:10] <Jymmm> Now, I say fuck it... I'm gonna go look at a copy cutting machine that's for sale for $150
[23:52:26] <les_w> programming or machine?
[23:53:16] <les_w> I have a big 1 megabite sign to do. I didn't do it this afternoon because it was friday and I just didn't feel like it.
[23:53:26] <les_w> uses 2 tools