trying to design a solar kiln here
they need electric fans to circulate the air
trying to run them with a photovoltaic panel
les_away is now known as les
A solar kiln should be super handy for multiple things
in summer dry lumber
also use to rapidly season firewood
les: you wouldn't want to run the fans at night, too?
and in winter use it as a greenhouse to grow vegetables
no need to run them at night according to the forrest products research lab
but you could use a battery
* icee nods
though the cycles on the battery usually exceed the retail price of electricity
the hot/cold cycling seems to be very good at relieving stresses
i'm air drying a bunch of lumber in my garage now
yes...lead acid batteries are way expensive energy storage
I think just run the fans direct from the PV panel
*nods* makes sense
really? what kind?
just d fir; a ton of s-grn wood was cheap and i'm building out workbenches in my shop
with a RH of 15% or so, things don't take long to dry acceptably here, so it makes sense to get it and wait a few weeks
well, My cousin has a wood mizer sawmill, and I have roughly 5-10,000 mature oak, tulip, and hicory trees here on the property
i'm building nice, super-heavy benches. planked all across with 2x4 on edge.. think butcher-block
* icee is jealous
I thik a kiln will work for me!
i wish land was actually affordable here.
heh your'e not poor ...buy land!
it's pretty sad when $1M doesn't even get you a house on a quarter acre
well I am way out in the woods
yah. i need to find something nice out in the middle of nowhere and build on it
up in the sierras maybe.
I need the opposite.... an apartment in a big city to go to sometimes
I am from the city
it's a little too quiet here sometimes
les just wait till 10/31/2005
les btw I havent' received my airline tickets yet?
les you said free transportation and lodging
what, not enough room inyour 3000 sqft home?
there's nice upsides, though; i'm an hour from San Fran, hal an hour from the beach, a couple hours from great backpacking in the sierras
where if I may ask? sacramento?
jymmm: I'm 15 minutes south of san jose, in a quasi-rural town called morgan hill
icee Would that be near tennant and dunne ave, just off the 101 and main street?
jymmm: one exit north-- cochrane, and yah, near monterey
icee never heard of the place.
les: were you out in this area at one point? ;)
not much. I did some acoustics work for HP in Sacramento for a while
les is a east coast boy
put server cabinets on shakers and rocked the hell out of them
they wanted hard drives to survive several g
for how long?
that's neat.. i'm going to have to do some shake table stuff soon
the test interval
gosh...I was using psuedo random sequences....low crest factor...hours!
i'm mentoring a nanosatellite team at santa clara university
* Jymmm used to do enviromental testing... vibrationad and thermal
I have read about nanosatellites
a nano delivery system to LEO is tougher
yah.. they're getting free launch tagging along with an air force launch
out of Moffit field?
they don't care about orbit or anything-- it's more about learning spacecraft systems engineering
jymmm: there's no launch out of moffett, though we are getting some hardware to fly along with us from NASA ARC there
I'm not sure where the ultimate integration and launch is
With current specific impulses of propellants LEO takes about a 15 meter rocket at least
either vandenberg or cape canaveral, most likely
I worked on the shuttle in school.
les you road the short bus huh?
les: yah, and most everything wants to go into different orbits. since we don't care, and the air force has an extra 80kg of payload on a flight, well.
yah.. my girlfriend is a mech eng and is studying at santa clara (structure/thermal lead)... looking at going and doing aero stuff maybe.
professionally I almost always did consumer product design though
only did aero in school
i really just think of aero as a "more studly" mech eng, anyways
sure, lots more fluids, etc
heh heh heh he clled you studly les!
well, you know.. you've got the civils on the bottom of the mechanical ladder, the mech engs in the middle, and the aeros at the top
well aero has lots of math. The most of any engineering I think.
I make As in math
santa clara doesn't have an aero program, but my gf is going to have the closest to an aerospace eng degree that she can (and may do her graduate a.e.)
It is a wide ranging field of study...served me well
I switched to that from electronic engineering
but had all the ee core done
so I do circuits too
les: did they give you a minor at least?
just got a circiut design gig today!
and I quit halfway through grad school
took a job doing audio/high fidelity r&d
what a change!
since I switched, I ended up with a lot of hours
a whole lot
gosh I think 350 quarter hours
I liked school I guess
i'm not very impressed with what i've seen of univs. to be honest.
I also liked 20,000 18 year old girls in one place too
well, I liked it.
les that 'one place' being your bedroom of course.
the eng programs seem to turn out people good at solving contrived problems but inept at figuring out which problems to solve when presented with a new one
it's just a liscense to learn. that's all.
well it depends on the person
there's no intuition for the limiting factors and the important/difficult requirements in a design
I was born an engineer.
school didn't make me one.
i can hardly say school made me one because i never went :P
well, in a break between schools I worked with two years of college a bit if you recall
I was promoted to engineer...without a degree!
I went back
because it was fun.
like a kid in a toy store all day every day
mentoring at univs is about as close as i can realistically get to that
it would be pretty tough for me to go and start at square one
and if i did, well, it wouldn't be in eng probably.
I made a big mistake though...i should have started a business much sooner.
Aw, you have enough school. You don't need it.
yah. i kinda wonder what i missed out on by taking this trajectory though
* icee shrugs
it's neat working on senior design projects at SCU and stanford tho.
nothing. I went because it was fun. Nothing more.
Yes...I was advisor this year to U. of illinois mechanical senior design project.
you know what my senior project was?
nope, what was it?
laser uranium isotope separation.
neat. I'll keep you in mind if i ever need to build a nuke :P
damn les... you'll do anything to get better moonshine production... even using dirty nuclear power
no it was just nice clean u235
and telling all your customers it's new cuase it glows inthe darl
just an alpha emitter
piece of paper will stop an alpha particle
course when it does it makes beta and gamma radiating daughters...
les You dont' really expect me to belive that strictly left the project at only alpha particles and never sorta did a lil experimentation on the side.
All I did was flow studies of vaporized uranium at 6000 kelvin
les I know you better than that.
no right minded engineer leaves it to JSUT that alone.
I wasn't like that kid with the smoke detectors
no, you moved straight to u233, do not pass go, do not collect $200
hey..I have forgotten that stuff anyway
prob getting the numbers crossed
les yeah? and how far away from you in inches are the reference books to refresh your memory?
actualyl I was gonna guess < 24"
reminds me...need to build more bookcases
designing it up in autocad
11 foot ceiling here in the office
Im trying to get rid of books
so BIG bookcases
see? bored him to death.
well.... ordered all that msc junk...didn't order the signfoam...hmm
les and my stuff?
oh gosh...forgot. durn.
I only asked for three things
women money and power?
geeeeze... NO MUSIC ROOM FOR YOU TONIGHT YOUNG MAN!!! AND NO BEER EITHER!
too late on #2
oh three wishes... nah, I only have one
had a big glass with my snapper and scallop dinner
but it's a dooozy
that doens't count if with dinner.
take money....the women and power come with it
nope, not even money
what is the best thing you could ever have.
in the entire universe
not immortality...too boring...
a nice new archer III aircraft?
lol nope, even better
helicopter in the back yard.
not even the concord in your backyard
I give up.
Knowledge and understanding of what is, was, and is yet to come.
well..I have often thought...If I could see one minute in to the future...one minute....
i'd be rich in days
right, but knowledge of what is yet to come, mean you can go BEYOND traveling thru time.
you know time travel forward happens
going back is though
to know the future you have to go back!
Got some energy? then you can travel forward
course it takes 50 gallons of anti hydrogen to go forward a few days...
something like that
I ain't gonna work out the lorentz transforms tonight
hmph was gonna play my sitar but the strings are shot
have to order some from the batish institute
you can't make any out of some coon?
or possum stew
found a nice website ..
[01:50:44] <Jacky^> http://www.infodelta.it/index.htm
strings are mostly bronze
damn batish site is down
nice price on some product ..
les no 000 wire around you can use?
I just have to rewire the colombo to #10 I think
might already be that...forgot
I can just use ordinary electric cable and use the green ground for one of the 3 phase legs
I do have to dig a trench and put bigger wiring to the shop at some point
have to hunt up the size
I need at least 100 amps out there
that might be 000
smallest string on a sitar is .oo7 I think
largest about .05
just toss on about 400Hz and it'll play itself
I was looking at jacky's site
the circuit boards remind me
I will have to do some protel work withthis gig I got today
I use it so infrequently that I have to relearn
it has a schematic editor/spice circuit simulation/multi layer auto routing pcb layout
I don't like laying out circuit boards
I'll get someone else to do that
I'll just be adding one more quad op amp and a couple band gap references
heh... there ya go.. outsource it to india!
oops! I'm doing work! must stop that.
I'm guilty too
les actualyl came up with an idea for a clamp
Funny I needed it for a previous project so ITW just shot me down a $12k seat
les cause you wont share your cam clamp ideas!
they are just maple sticks
les not too shabby... have em toss me a jr seat license =)
les mines fancy =)
actually, not really... just compression clamp
It's one of those programs where you have to keep a lot of stuff in your head
old fashion wood workers type
oh no, I can't do that, it'll fill up then.
les in a sense, yeah.
les: i forgot a thing :\
* Jymmm hands Jacky^ a thingamabob, and a spare doohickey
wich diameter and pitch for ballscrew to use with my machine ?
I forget things too...just ask my exes
jacky how fast do you want the feed?
are inches ?
les: you know ..on wood
as fast is possible
about 200 ipm max
consider 250 w servos ..
2K IPM, -cutting on wood-?
icee no, RC60 steel
icee...amazingly some high end machines are almost that fast!
well, 10 meters/sec
ok back to jacky's design
diameter is ok how Jymmm said ?
10 m/sec = 23,000 ipm
jacky about 20 mm diam
then you can direct drive
and use simple end support
to keep the cost low
you mean in the other side by the motor ?
just a simple deep groove bearing
icee some of the machines at shows make my jaw drop to the floor
* icee needs to learn more about manufacturing.
they pump 50 hp into a single 1/2 inch end mill
such machines cost millions though
normal industrial woodworking is done at 200-2000 ipm.
so jacky, 20mm or so 5mm pitch screw, angular contact at motor end, simple deep groove bearing at the other
5mm lead not pitch
* Jacky^ updating his openoffice document on machine plan..
combine that with 15mm rail and you will have an excellent machine
Jymmm: how are going your steppers there ?
this afternoon the mine lost some step in Z axis ..
it was cutting a wood plate :(��
i will try tomorrow again
after tried half winding on steppers, i came back to full winding
any idea on what is Shipping Options International - Lowest Cost Shipper ?
looking at geckodrive
mean ill receive after a mounth .. ?
international shipping takes too long
mmhh.. it seem to me too
that is part of the reason I bought colombo rather than HSD
HSD had to be shipped from Italy
colombo was in stock here
ive no chances with gecko
it seem are not in eu
paul one time said.. maybe in UK
but ive no clue
I wonder if gecko meets CE
let me check
if gecko makes ce mariss need a sales rep in europe
perfect job for you.
i searched too .. but it seem does not exist
i just want to get some information more
the shipping should not be much expensive
theyre light ..
but i dont know abut tax
ask on the gecko yahoo group
the 'strange' thing ive seen when ive been in us
was the tax ..
never used here
and some other thing
like different prices for cigarettes box
where here are all at the same price
but here .. in monopoly of state
here american cigarettes are very expensive...part of the price covers medical expense when they kill you
i know ..
but that strange thing..
but you can also get colombian cigarettes
on plase $5 , another 500 mt left,$7 the same box
but you were in LA too
it was very strange for me
the concept i mean
prices different other places
you need to come over again!
right yesterday ..
my haunt and 3 cousin comes in canada ..
I used to go to europe a lot
not so much now
have been in italy too ?
I had to work a lot in france and switzerland
no I have not...
just to the border when I was working in Nice
I have designed things for Italian companies....
ive seen something..
i cant remember if i arelady have showed to you thi site..
[03:00:49] <Jacky^> http://www.propellers.it/index.php?change=1&PHPSESSID=24fe8c26baacb2cf9e137d97c58e939b
i know you like the plane :)
probably, alredy seen
he work with a cnc machine
a lots of products all maded with cnc
cnc is good for propellers
All the propellers are made by the treatment of at least five wood layers; these are sticked together with the help of a 100 tons pressure
only one plane I have flown had a wooden propeller
it was balsa covered with carbon fiber
I'll show you a picture
[03:05:33] <les> http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/182565-1.html
fun airplane :)
that is the smallest airplane I have flown
glides very well
i think is very difficult to drive a small airplane
probably more then a bigger
made of vinyl ester composite
no it was easy to fly
almost like a toy
just had to be careful to lock the bubble canopy
if it comes loose in flight...bad.
les: congrats, very nice
i just played sometime with flight simulator ..
I just rented it, that's all
cost is $100,000 US
I mostly fly this:
[03:13:50] <les> http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID=1096032&guid=DBD9EC8AC2524BD0BA5A0F5BFAC365AB
this is nice too :)
4 peoples up
glass cockpit...look at the instrument panel
look at the price too!
nice leather seats
home many km or miles can do ?
in a single fly
measured in time :P
it is not fast let's see in km /hr
perhaps a little more
it seem fast enough :\
800 km/h seem to me the boeing speed ..
hmm vne is 160 knot
if i remember well ..
well, its nice
296 km/hr...I was pretty close in my guess
many are faster...some 500
it depend by where to go .. at which distance
anyway I cannot afford to own one..I rent
500 ca do italy from north to sud in few hours..
too bad they cost so much
of course ..
i will never have a thing like that
i like the boats too ..
grew up on the water in Florida
[03:25:14] <Jacky^> http://www.barchefvg.com/imbarcazioni/visualizza.asp?ID=578
I like to sail
italy its a good place
a sail is a sideways wing
yes very nice
any year here come a lot of peoples from north eu
in the summer
Like I said, the closest I got was working in Nice. I liked it. I would like to live there!
Nice used to be part of italy right?
i'm not sure
They spoke italian ther
i'm in a south side
maybe near the france
Nice is next to monte carlo
a beutiful place is montecarlo too
I had to work in that area designing power tools for ITW SPIT
ive never been there
but of course i know that place
[03:32:20] <les> http://www.spit.it/
its.. some beutiful side of this country
oh well...time for bed. Jyymmm said no music room tonight haha
good night jacky
night les, thnaks
I created my first 'part'! lol
Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
jymmm you ever get your router working?
oh nice, it's an aztec pyramid
well, just learning/fighting the cad/cam
i've put all the heavy engineering stuff aside for a while.. spent a month riding my bicycle
wth would you do that for?
dunno.. it just.. happened
* rayh growls back
yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe! yipe!
oh wait a sec... your just an old hound dawg w/o teeth!
my first "part" http://photos.yahoo.com/jymmm
now the "old dawg" has some teeth
You loanin me some, paul_c?
hey thanks for all the work with the wiki setup on sf.
lol loaning teeth... that reminds me of that commercial
A guided tour of the SF setup on Sunday so that others know what is where & why.
paul_c: Did you see the recent sf announce regarding MySQL
Good. This should secure the service.
don't get the SF announcements.
on sf I mean
I seem to remember something about loaning a set of teeth commercial
rayh what about myswl & sf ?
rayh what about mysql & sf ?
SF can provide MySQL 4.1 services
with 3 levels of login by vhosts.
ah, very cool. Might be better with pg
We could provide a connection at www.linuxcnc.org.
I can suck the db quota in 3.2TB
something like ini.linuxcnc.org that would write an ini file
based on the users answers to html pages.
that would be a tough script to write.
I believe that I could prepare the tables and such
I know nothing of Myphpadmin
rayh it's easy to use
or whatever it is =)
I have an instance of mysqlrunning here.
when adding a bunch of records, I find it slower than just making a sql statement though
manual insertion that is
It can do the math that we need for things like input and output scale.
sql can do that
I believe that we could even ask it to do the essential transformations for mm v inch and such
talking of ini files.... Any news on that updated ini & GUI ?
paul_c who you talking to?
paul_c see my first part?
i should be so lucky!
paul_c: Have had a bit of a time getting a good answer from Sm regarding the ini.
You figured out what the trouble was that I had with the upgrade.sh
moved the order stuuf was upgraded around a little... But couldn't replicate your problem.
I've not gotten up the courage to try it again. The box I was planning it on died.
* Jymmm sees that rayh has gone from dawg to feline
(Wizard of Oz reference)
more like chicken!
dawg eat cat, cat eat bird
python eat alligator!
[17:44:55] <Jymmm> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171358,00.html
Jymmm: Did you make that part?
rayh: LOL... yeah... took me a few hours to design it, and about 8 minutes to cut it.
paul_c: Can you send over the revised .sh file
rayh thanks. My very first part. I've been playing witht the artsy stuff mostly, thought I would try my hand at the mechanical side.
Installing 4.20d for the test now.
Jymmm: Re earlier comment about dog eat cat wat bird....
Nothing wrong with artsy.
paul_c :L ray said he was chicken.
[17:54:07] <paul_c> http://www.rotten.com/library/medicine/bodily-functions/eating/mans-best-friend/
rayh no, not at all. but I'll looking at my machine from both an artistic and mechancial (jigs, fixtures) point of view.
what can I do (with cnc) than some poor shumck would be willing to fork out some hard cold cash sorta thing.
Right now there seems to be more money for the artsy than the mechanical -- unless you got an assembly/product in mind.
rayh: Well, when I say 'machanical', it could me someting as simple as someone wanting a 24" x 24" grid of holes drilled every 1/2"
certainly. nice polished speaker grills.
or sand strainers.
peg board for sewing bobbins
CP-1 has a nice speaker grill writing program
cp-1? R2D2 C3PO
A close relative.
emc/tcl/cp1/cpGui.tcl on the 4.xx series of bdi
what is cp-1 ?
Also under the EMC menu in KDE
That's it. It is a gcode writer based on some geometry input.
Ah. Thanks paul.
pick a geometry mop and fill in the variables
For some reason it didn't expand to show me the variables when i clicked grill array
Had to drag the bottom of the widget down to show em.
Heh... every non machinst type person I've showed that to has gone "what is it?"
all I know is I've learned an appreciasion for mechanical fab and design
Having a CNC tends to do that to your head.
well, if shit ever hit the fan... even something as simple as a nut and bolt would be practically impossible.
paul_c: 4.20d smithy is booting up. Will use your 4.29 disk for the test of upgrade.sh.
in respect to gcode... how can you tell why point is 0,0 and if Z axis '0' is 'top of material' or 'top of table' ?
For the z you should look at the sign of the cutting moves.
if z + is up away from material then the cut moves should be minus.
This probably means that the z zero is set to the top of the material
If the moves are plus moves then the cut is probably from the top of the table.
ok, and for 0,0 ?
TL, TR, BL, BR
This is a bit harder.
If the cutting moves are minus again then you need to set zero to the most positive corner of the part
if positive then to the most negivive part of the part
if they go both + and - then the center of the part.
Hi Jacky^ How you doing today?
rayh: nice :P seem incredible.. my machine is going at 38 ipm :D
working on wood ..
* Jymmm will NOT say what his machine is running at.
rayh: really great, for this toy ..
speed isn't everything.
on wood its all ..
3d relief i mean
3 hours for a piece 20x20 cm :\
Darn paul_c That is a hell of a script.
seems to be redoing all the packages and configuration.
rayh: tried irrsi ?
not yet ?
what is irssi?
irc client i use
Oh that. No I've not had a chance.
i gived you the ini file too ..
busier than a cat in the litterbox.
which cat ?
i love the cats
ive one is wonderful ..
his name, linus ..
that's a nice name...
i love opens source
* Jymmm likes the name 'dog food' for a cat.
a moment ..
a want to show you
take a look: http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=lastup&cat=12775&pos=3
isnt nicee ?? :P
paul_c: the script stalled out installing a new copy of generic.tbl.
(Not that I would do anything to harm an animal, I'm just not a cat person at all - ok, rare exceptions)
Beautiful cat. Shop's not bad either.
Those your robots in the galery?
mmh nope ..
my gallery is just the 'taddeus gallery' ..
dinner time for me ..
Jymmm: take a look..
accept the file
I can't DCC
i must go ..
Jacky^ is now known as Jack_afk
paul_c: Going to try the reboot.
got some problems with x and kde
Jack_afk is now known as Jacky^
ray how you like that.... you have problems and paul bails out! cant get more perfect timing than that =)
i dont know what is happening
my machine is working as an evil !
suits you right
and i found a nwe girlfriend :P
all in 1 day
how about anna_emc?
nice girl, but broken ..
i'm witj keyss now :P
what do you mean broken?
i meant she was breaking the balls .. so
probably you deserved it :))
alex_joni: i'm suree
emc2 work a lot better
my machine is flyng
a lot better than what?
damn earth ive under foots
whitout lost a step
seem incredible to me
for this toy ..
im using 1 euro ballscrew
m6 1 mm pitch
I mean overall
ive not much backslash
but i'm using 6 mm bearing
Ahpoo... where did Ray go ?
[11:36:55] <rayh> got some problems with x and kde
[11:39:33] * paul_c (email@example.com) Quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11")
what's cooking doc?
Jymmm: irc went zombie on me about 7:00
damit... Got ppl bugging me to go to Rome at the end of the month.
not sure how safe it is :D
early night.. back tomorrow.
* alex_joni goes to bed
got a call from another furniture maker today. He wants me to do some cnc work for him.
here is his site:
[22:53:49] <les> http://www.lackley.com/
trouble is...I am all booked up
on the waiting list I guess
oh well...it's good to be busy.
i was at cellphone ...
hmm lost my tv remote
noy much...just relaxing after work
same as I am
just writing a mail
i got my nwe girlfriend call me at phone ..
I spent another day making ultrasonic resonators on the lathe
turning tiny little 2 mm resonators
.005mm tolerance on some parts
hm, more then I can measure
it's more than the lathe can do so it has to be lapped
oh you can measure .oo5!
I dont have any means to..
just a standard micrometer
I think mine goes down to 0.01
I should buy a digital one later on..
mine are vernier .0001" graduations
she say yessssssss
ive the cell numberrr
so much for anna then...haha
31 years old .. blondie
hmm just my type!
* Jacky^ is jumping all around