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[00:00:05] <alex_joni> but those I think are made with an older camera
[00:00:09] <jack^^> cool
[00:00:12] <alex_joni> HP photosmart 315
[00:00:18] <alex_joni> pretty stupid camera ;)
[00:00:23] <alex_joni> I made a lot of new photos
[00:00:26] <jack^^> mmh, they are nice
[00:00:26] <alex_joni> nicer ones ;)
[00:00:30] <jack^^> yeah
[00:00:35] <alex_joni> no room to upload them :(
[00:00:43] <jack^^> :)
[00:00:45] <alex_joni> about 2 gigs this year (in italy)
[00:01:00] <jack^^> wow
[00:01:04] <jack^^> great
[00:01:11] <jack^^> i've seen something
[00:05:59] <jack^^> also the website is nice
[00:06:08] <jack^^> with thummnails
[00:06:17] <jack^^> and very fast to load :P
[00:06:26] <jack^^> good ;)
[00:09:00] <alex_joni_> got disconnected
[00:09:01] <alex_joni_> :(
[00:10:35] <jack^^> mmh..
[00:10:51] <jack^^> [nolog] )
[00:10:51] <jack^^> <alex_joni> about 2 gigs this year (in italy)
[00:10:52] <jack^^> <jack^^> wow
[00:10:52] <jack^^> <jack^^> great
[00:10:53] <jack^^> <jack^^> i've seen something
[00:10:53] <jack^^> <jack^^> also the website is nice
[00:10:54] <jack^^> <jack^^> with thummnails
[00:10:55] <jack^^> <jack^^> and very fast to load :P
[00:10:58] <jack^^> <jack^^> good ;)
[00:11:09] <alex_joni_> ty
[00:11:16] <jack^^> :)
[00:11:24] <alex_joni_> no time to update it :(
[00:12:01] <jack^^> i'd use a script :P
[00:14:10] <jack^^> i've some album in yahoo .. but it give no High Resolution ..
[00:14:18] <alex_joni_> right
[00:14:28] <alex_joni_> well .. a lot of the pics on my site are downsampled
[00:14:31] <alex_joni_> for space reason
[00:14:45] <jack^^> another in Robotitalia, it a little bit better, but there are limit about the size..
[00:15:29] <jack^^> yours is very fast
[00:15:43] <alex_joni_> it's at the local university
[00:15:48] <alex_joni_> should get 100Mbit
[00:16:08] <jack^^> good
[00:16:38] <jack^^> it load the pictures in the browser how i never seen before
[00:17:03] <jack^^> from here ..
[00:17:51] <jack^^> s /how /as
[00:17:54] <jack^^> :D
[00:18:17] <alex_joni_> s/as/like
[00:18:21] <jack^^> yeah
[00:18:23] <jack^^> :)
[00:20:41] <jack^^> * jack^^ is thinking to japan ..
[00:22:17] <jack^^> the paradox ...
[00:22:33] <jack^^> bill gates
[00:22:34] <anna_emc> hello all
[00:22:39] <jack^^> steve jobs ..
[00:22:50] <jack^^> when the chips are japanese
[00:22:55] <jack^^> ciao anna_emc
[00:23:30] <jack^^> anna_emc: ...
[00:23:42] <alex_joni_> hello
[00:23:42] <jack^^> <alex_joni> HP photosmart 850
[00:23:56] <anna_emc> alex hello
[00:23:58] <jack^^> take a note..
[00:24:06] <jack^^> HP photosmart 850
[00:24:17] <alex_joni_> should be cheap on ebay
[00:24:18] <jack^^> la macchina di alex_joni_
[00:24:20] <alex_joni_> it's older
[00:24:22] <anna_emc> tanks alex
[00:24:54] <anna_emc> beautiful photo
[00:25:08] <anna_emc> compliments
[00:25:33] <jack^^> anna_emc: maybe more appropriate congrats
[00:25:39] <jack^^> baut its ok :)
[00:25:41] <jack^^> lol
[00:25:57] <jack^^> he understand
[00:26:01] <anna_emc> yes
[00:26:14] <jack^^> Ja
[00:26:17] <jack^^> :)
[00:26:19] <alex_joni_> anna_emc: thank you ;)
[00:26:27] <jack^^> telefunken
[00:26:27] <anna_emc> :-)
[00:26:30] <jack^^> hehe
[00:26:32] <alex_joni_> but there are people around here who take better pictures
[00:26:37] <alex_joni_> * alex_joni_ points to jepler
[00:27:01] <jack^^> alex_joni_: yours are the better ive never seen .. really
[00:27:19] <jack^^> i dont know about jepler
[00:27:34] <jack^^> we've seen some in the sea
[00:27:39] <jack^^> very nice
[00:28:06] <jack^^> colours are nice everywhere
[00:28:30] <jack^^> very good resolution too
[00:28:50] <jack^^> anna_emc: what are you doing ?
[00:29:26] <anna_emc> doing'
[00:29:29] <anna_emc> '
[00:29:38] <jack^^> what ?
[00:29:39] <anna_emc> ?
[00:29:43] <anna_emc> doing?
[00:29:44] <jack^^> cosa fai ?
[00:31:21] <jack^^> * jack^^ waiting for reply ..
[00:31:23] <jack^^> lol
[00:31:25] <jack^^> :D
[00:32:05] <anna_emc> I'm al pc
[00:32:07] <anna_emc> ah ah
[00:32:15] <jack^^> ehm ..
[00:32:19] <jack^^> I know ..
[00:32:23] <jack^^> that
[00:32:25] <jack^^> :)
[00:32:47] <jack^^> and .. ?
[00:33:03] <anna_emc> writhe
[00:33:11] <jack^^> what ?
[00:33:21] <jack^^> email ?
[00:33:23] <anna_emc> with you
[00:33:31] <jack^^> doh
[00:33:34] <jack^^> O_O
[00:33:41] <jack^^> hehe
[00:33:43] <jack^^> okay
[00:33:58] <anna_emc> visto che tu non lo fai con me
[00:34:42] <jack^^> anna_emc: i'm very busy ..
[00:34:51] <jack^^> i'm hard working.. really
[00:35:10] <anna_emc> for emc not busy!
[00:35:14] <anna_emc> ah ah
[00:35:21] <jack^^> :\
[00:35:25] <jack^^> no.
[00:37:57] <jack^^> youre talking abou busy message in msn messenger
[00:38:01] <jack^^> sorry ..
[00:38:03] <anna_emc> no
[00:39:10] <jack^^> np
[00:53:31] <anna_emc> night all
[00:53:39] <alex_joni_> night
[01:34:57] <Jacky^> (01:48:08) Anna: se era uno dei tuoi amici su emc che ti salutava avresti risposto subito vedo che non faccio lo stesso effetto ecco perch� poi mi innervosisco anche se uno � occupato la buona educazione che hai con quelli di emc, non � la stessa che usi con me, Notte
[01:35:03] <Jacky^> bah ...
[02:05:04] <alex_joni_> night all
[03:31:10] <jcolley> anyone have any feedback on the Vigilant boards? (besides paul ;)
[03:35:38] <Jacky^> eh ???
[03:36:04] <jcolley> he already gave me his feedback on CCED
[03:36:16] <Jacky^> 04:12
[03:36:30] <Jacky^> am
[03:36:39] <Jacky^> :)
[03:36:58] <Jacky^> what time is it there ?
[03:37:18] <jcolley> oh, heh 10 pm
[03:37:26] <Jacky^> uhaaa
[03:37:29] <Jacky^> nice
[03:37:33] <Jacky^> US ?
[03:37:37] <jcolley> yeah
[03:37:41] <Jacky^> cool
[03:37:44] <jcolley> east coast
[03:37:47] <Jacky^> here is too late
[03:37:59] <jcolley> i seem to have that problem a lot
[03:38:35] <Jacky^> uhm ..
[03:38:54] <Jacky^> i think you cant finf paul tomorrow ..
[03:39:01] <Jacky^> find*
[03:39:40] <Jacky^> if youre looking for paul_c
[03:40:01] <jcolley> well, actually anyone with experience on interface cards
[03:40:12] <jcolley> in general
[03:40:32] <Jacky^> mm, i'm a newbie
[03:40:41] <jcolley> i'm not even that yet
[03:40:45] <Jacky^> what's your prob ?
[03:41:01] <jcolley> plenty of linux experience, no emc exp yet
[03:41:28] <jcolley> my prob? i haven't started building my problem yet
[03:41:37] <jcolley> i'm still choosing hardware
[03:41:58] <jcolley> i'm trying to plam my problem ;)
[03:42:07] <jcolley> plam = plan
[03:42:15] <Jacky^> yeah ..
[03:42:53] <Jacky^> i'm from Italy
[03:43:12] <Jacky^> my english is not so good ..
[03:43:18] <jcolley> no problem there
[03:43:37] <Jacky^> i'm playng around emc sine june 2005
[03:43:45] <jcolley> i actually considered moving there in a couple of years
[03:44:06] <Jacky^> it depend on what you wnat to do ..
[03:44:23] <jcolley> us navy
[03:44:24] <Jacky^> want*
[03:44:37] <jcolley> we have a submarine tender there
[03:44:56] <jcolley> la maddalana (spelling?)
[03:45:10] <Jacky^> O_O
[03:45:18] <Jacky^> submarine ??
[03:45:58] <Jacky^> mmhh
[03:46:28] <Jacky^> emc is GREAT
[03:46:40] <Jacky^> depen on what you need to do ...
[03:46:46] <jcolley> i like the fexibilty
[03:46:51] <Jacky^> this is not NASA
[03:47:15] <jcolley> i'm building my machine myself
[03:47:25] <Jacky^> for what ?
[03:47:32] <jcolley> 5 axis milling
[03:47:45] <Jacky^> i'm building anything from myself too
[03:47:47] <jcolley> aluminum and steel
[03:48:16] <Jacky^> well, emc support up to 8 axis
[03:48:26] <Jacky^> should be a good choice
[03:48:41] <Jacky^> depend on what ..
[03:48:44] <Jacky^> and
[03:49:03] <Jacky^> if youre an hacker
[03:49:25] <Jacky^> or you just playng with toys
[03:49:30] <Jacky^> thats all
[03:50:29] <Jacky^> emc is for hackers
[03:50:41] <Jacky^> like .. linux is for hackers
[03:50:57] <jcolley> it has been a long time since i fooled around with linux
[03:51:22] <Jacky^> what you use ?
[03:51:30] <jcolley> but 10 years ago, you had to get your hands dirty just to get linux installed
[03:51:32] <Jacky^> what yours experiences ?
[03:51:40] <jcolley> i started with slackware
[03:51:47] <Jacky^> ten years ??
[03:51:53] <Jacky^> nahh
[03:52:00] <Jacky^> i started with debian
[03:52:05] <Jacky^> 1 year
[03:52:13] <Jacky^> i compiled kernel
[03:52:19] <jcolley> i've used debian, redhat, mandrake, many others
[03:52:23] <Jacky^> you know ?
[03:52:25] <jcolley> i still like slackware
[03:52:48] <jcolley> i always like a nice clean kernel
[03:52:54] <Jacky^> slack its a toy ..
[03:53:47] <Jacky^> if you want a good control on your machine
[03:53:59] <Jacky^> if you are an hacker
[03:54:13] <Jacky^> you are in the riht place
[03:54:18] <Jacky^> right*
[03:54:19] <Jacky^> and
[03:54:29] <Jacky^> if youre a developer
[03:54:39] <jcolley> far from it
[03:54:44] <Jacky^> its good
[03:54:48] <jcolley> engineer
[03:54:57] <jcolley> i like to tinker
[03:55:54] <Jacky^> thats ok
[03:56:34] <Jacky^> emc offer you great features
[03:56:44] <Jacky^> for what i know
[03:57:04] <Jacky^> i'm playng with it sine may 2005
[03:57:23] <Jacky^> i'm actually testing an wirking on emc2
[03:57:51] <jcolley> is there anything emc2 will not do that emc will?
[03:58:00] <Jacky^> you know .. em2 its like a breadboard
[03:58:16] <Jacky^> you acn assembly and connect components as you like
[03:58:19] <jcolley> it seems to be a more simple layout
[03:58:46] <Jacky^> what ?
[03:58:52] <Jacky^> emc2 ?
[03:58:59] <jcolley> yes
[03:59:03] <jcolley> makes more sense
[03:59:29] <Jacky^> it depend ..
[03:59:35] <Jacky^> on what we thinking
[04:00:10] <jcolley> from a code point of view, it seems to be laid out better
[04:00:23] <Jacky^> experience is not fresh water ..
[04:00:36] <Jacky^> all depend
[04:00:44] <Jacky^> an what you want to get
[04:00:51] <Jacky^> stepper,
[04:00:55] <Jacky^> servos,
[04:01:02] <Jacky^> high speed
[04:01:11] <Jacky^> more torque
[04:01:18] <Jacky^> it depend ..
[04:01:46] <Jacky^> only the experience can give you the right reply
[04:02:05] <Jacky^> thats, what i learned
[04:02:24] <jcolley> right
[04:02:31] <jcolley> i have much to learn
[04:02:38] <Jacky^> :)
[04:02:49] <jcolley> must sleep now
[04:02:53] <Jacky^> youre welcome here
[04:02:57] <Jacky^> ;)
[04:03:03] <jcolley> i will be around from time to time
[04:03:12] <Jacky^> yeah
[04:03:15] <jcolley> what part of italy are you from?
[04:03:24] <Jacky^> naples
[04:03:34] <jcolley> how is sardenia?
[04:03:45] <Jacky^> um.. no
[04:03:53] <Jacky^> sadrinia is an island
[04:04:03] <jcolley> right
[04:04:04] <Jacky^> im in centre of italy
[04:04:09] <Jacky^> naples
[04:04:10] <jcolley> oh
[04:04:19] <jcolley> show what i know
[04:04:24] <Jacky^> is famous for Pizza around the world ..
[04:05:55] <jcolley> maybe i will see for myself in a few years
[04:06:14] <Jacky^> :)
[04:06:43] <Jacky^> bed time for me
[04:06:49] <Jacky^> G night
[04:06:49] <jcolley> me too
[04:06:53] <jcolley> good night
[04:06:54] <Jacky^> bye
[17:44:16] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. If you're in Houston, Texas and you have a spare Vonage phone adapter you'd like to donate to Peer-Directed Projects Center, it'd be appreciated. Our phone service is currently offline due to adapter problems, and the new adapter is arriving very....slowly. Please message me if you can help. Thanks!
[18:31:42] <alex_joni_> 'lo
[18:38:27] <ValarQ> g'deve
[18:39:13] <alex_joni_> hey captain
[18:50:14] <alex_joni_> jepler: you around?
[19:20:12] <alex_joni_> hey john
[19:20:17] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
[19:24:33] <jmkasunich> hi alex
[19:25:10] <jmkasunich> another week down the tubes :-/
[19:25:41] <alex_joni> right.. same here
[19:25:49] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is trying to study :(
[19:25:54] <alex_joni> got an exam tomorrow
[19:26:11] <jmkasunich> exam? I thought you escaped from school?
[19:26:15] <alex_joni> I did
[19:26:28] <alex_joni> it's for a IWE degree (IWE=International Welding Engineer)
[19:26:43] <jmkasunich> I see
[19:26:54] <alex_joni> so.. learning about metals :/
[19:27:16] <jmkasunich> metals: hard, heavy, conduct electricity... what else is there to know?
[19:27:33] <alex_joni> heh.. a LOT fwiw
[19:27:46] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[19:28:33] <alex_joni> still need to read about 1-200 pages :(
[19:28:48] <jmkasunich> ouch
[19:29:17] <jmkasunich> someday I want to learn to weld (along with about a dozen other things)
[20:06:36] <alex_joni> that's the easy part ;)
[20:06:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes back to his books :(
[20:06:59] <jmkasunich> still takes time
[20:07:02] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: maybe I'll catch you tomorrow to talk about that hal stuff
[20:07:13] <jmkasunich> but I imagine welding is more fun than reading about welding
[20:07:16] <alex_joni> only a day or two ;)
[20:07:23] <alex_joni> reading about welding is fun too
[20:07:32] <alex_joni> reading about materials is not
[20:07:37] <jmkasunich> probably won't be online tomorrow - visiting my parents about 100 miles away
[20:07:43] <alex_joni> or..let me put it this way.. reading is ok
[20:07:47] <alex_joni> learning isn't
[20:08:04] <alex_joni> like knowing QT steel has up to x% C in it
[20:08:08] <alex_joni> or Ni or Mo, etc
[20:08:16] <jmkasunich> ewwwww
[20:08:19] <alex_joni> right
[20:09:21] <alex_joni> or the fact that if you weld marthensitic steel you need to do some thermal treatments after the weld
[20:09:47] <alex_joni> cooking it up to 700 degs and then cooling it off at constant temp. speed not exceeding 80 degs / hour
[20:09:56] <alex_joni> just an example (no idea if accurate ;)
[20:10:00] <jmkasunich> heat affected zone stuff?
[20:10:16] <alex_joni> yeah.. and molecular structure
[20:10:30] <alex_joni> it gets too hardened, and can easily break
[20:10:58] <jmkasunich> I had some 316 stainless sailboat parts welded years ago - they rusted in the HAZ, the rest of it was fine
[20:11:19] <alex_joni> yeah..probably bad wire chosen
[20:11:41] <alex_joni> you need a lot more Ni in the wire than in the base material
[20:11:49] <alex_joni> also need to take care of heat input, etc
[20:12:20] <jmkasunich> this was TIG welded - the guy was pretty good
[20:12:37] <alex_joni> hmmm... should not have rusted then
[20:12:48] <alex_joni> maybe too little argon on the root
[20:13:05] <jmkasunich> later parts (same metal, same welder) I bead-blasted them and wiped with oil, they lasted years outdoors with no rust
[20:13:19] <alex_joni> nice
[20:17:20] <alex_joni> do you have S355 steels?
[20:17:27] <alex_joni> or do you use other namings?
[20:17:37] <jmkasunich> doesn't seem familiar
[20:17:46] <jmkasunich> is that plain steel, or stainless or something?
[20:17:48] <alex_joni> S-construction steel
[20:18:02] <alex_joni> 355 - limit of flow (not sure that's the correct term)
[20:18:12] <jmkasunich> construction? as in steel beams and such?
[20:18:12] <alex_joni> 355N/mm^2
[20:18:19] <alex_joni> yeah.. as in normal carbon steel
[20:18:39] <jmkasunich> steel beams and such are made from something called A-36 here
[20:18:46] <jmkasunich> awful nasty stuff to machine
[20:18:48] <alex_joni> :/
[20:19:00] <jmkasunich> it's been described as trying to machine a pink pencil eraser
[20:19:11] <alex_joni> that soft?
[20:19:15] <jmkasunich> yean
[20:19:18] <jmkasunich> yeah
[20:19:32] <jmkasunich> "normal" carbon steels are graded with 4 digit numbers
[20:19:47] <jmkasunich> last 2 digits are % carbon
[20:19:57] <jmkasunich> forinstance, 1018 is generic low-carbon
[20:20:03] <jmkasunich> 0.18% carbon
[20:20:15] <jmkasunich> 1045 is decent for machine parts, can be hardened
[20:20:22] <jmkasunich> 1095 is for springs and such
[20:20:58] <jmkasunich> then there are things like 4041, 8620, etc, etc, the first 2 digits have to do with moly and other additives, but I don't know the specifics
[20:22:06] <alex_joni> right
[20:22:48] <alex_joni> in EN norms those are smthg like: X10CrNiV18-8-1
[20:23:02] <alex_joni> but you don't want to go there :/
[20:23:08] <jmkasunich> got that right
[20:26:21] <jmkasunich> hmmm, I wonder if that RoHS crap is gonna affect the availibility of things like 12L14?
[20:26:44] <jmkasunich> the L means it has some lead content - the lead improves machinibility a LOT
[20:29:59] <alex_joni> ok.. found S355
[20:30:06] <alex_joni> in the US it's : A572Gr50
[20:30:19] <jmkasunich> weird
[20:30:30] <alex_joni> http://www.steelstrip.co.uk/international_equivalents.htm
[20:31:56] <jmkasunich> nice conversion page
[20:32:04] <alex_joni> if you ask me.. it's the most stupid thing that there is
[20:32:09] <alex_joni> the naming convensions
[20:32:12] <alex_joni> on all th e
[20:32:16] <alex_joni> on all the systems
[20:32:33] <jmkasunich> well, steel is old
[20:32:38] <alex_joni> you wouldn't want to know what things you need to remember to read such a name
[20:32:48] <jmkasunich> crap
[20:32:52] <alex_joni> the X10CrNiV18-8-1 for instance:
[20:33:07] <jmkasunich> (watching baseball - the other guys just scored, tied the game)
[20:33:27] <alex_joni> 10 = 0,1%C, 18%Cr, 8%Ni, 1%V
[20:33:33] <alex_joni> that's easy
[20:33:53] <alex_joni> but if it's 13CrMoV4-4-4
[20:34:44] <alex_joni> then 13=0,13%c, Cr=1% (the 4 gets divided by 4), Mo=0,4% (gets divided by 10), V=0,4% (same as Mo)
[20:35:42] <alex_joni> the only visible difference is the X in the beginning :/
[20:36:00] <jmkasunich> double crap :-( score 4-1
[20:36:29] <alex_joni> bugger that
[20:36:29] <alex_joni> :D
[20:36:34] <alex_joni> as someone might say
[20:36:48] <jmkasunich> 2 games left in the season, need to win both to make the playoffs
[20:36:53] <alex_joni> heh
[20:36:56] <alex_joni> what team?
[20:36:57] <jmkasunich> don't look like its gonna happen
[20:37:01] <jmkasunich> Cleveland Indians
[20:37:06] <alex_joni> I see
[20:42:56] <jmkasunich> well the euro method isn't as bad as the US one... the last two digits are fine, but you need a magic decoder ring for the first two
[20:43:23] <alex_joni> nah.. actually it's not that easy
[20:43:29] <alex_joni> there's a table with materials
[20:43:33] <alex_joni> and their multiplier
[20:43:44] <alex_joni> there are some for 4, 10, 100, 1000
[20:43:51] <alex_joni> and based on that you do the math
[20:44:02] <jmkasunich> ick
[20:44:34] <alex_joni> so you need to remember that Cu,Al,Be,Mo,Nb,Pb,Ta,Ti,V,Zr are all with 10
[20:45:16] <jmkasunich> in the real world (no exams) you don't "remember" any of that cruft, you just keep a reference book handy ;-)
[20:45:40] <alex_joni> right
[20:45:42] <alex_joni> or google
[20:45:43] <alex_joni> :D
[20:47:01] <alex_joni> it's even worse for around here
[20:47:10] <alex_joni> there was a local naming convension STAS
[20:47:20] <alex_joni> which was dropped in favour of DIN
[20:47:26] <alex_joni> which now gets dropped for EN
[20:49:20] <jmkasunich> change is good (or so they say)
[20:49:57] <alex_joni> not for names
[20:50:02] <alex_joni> that's confusing
[20:50:10] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich hates change
[20:50:13] <alex_joni> especially the DIN was a bad choice
[20:50:26] <alex_joni> DIN is/was german standard
[20:50:30] <alex_joni> gets dropped in germany aswell
[21:14:40] <alex_joni> later guys
[21:35:33] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
[21:38:53] <alex_joni> hmmm
[21:39:09] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hates reading this stuff :/
[21:40:12] <ValarQ> what sort of stuff?
[21:40:41] <alex_joni> read back...
[21:40:47] <ValarQ> damn, i gotta get my crapahalic working, i need it :(
[21:40:49] <alex_joni> materials & such
[21:40:51] <ValarQ> ok
[21:41:06] <alex_joni> what happened to crapplication?
[21:41:08] <alex_joni> aka halgui ?
[21:41:09] <alex_joni> :D
[21:41:17] <ValarQ> crapplication is pretty ok
[21:41:29] <ValarQ> it's the halgui (crapahalic) that needs work
[21:41:33] <alex_joni> ahhh
[21:41:49] <alex_joni> any progress on it?
[21:42:19] <ValarQ> none, except i realised i wan't to make a more general interface/wrapper for the canvas thingie
[21:42:56] <ValarQ> i find my self doing repetive stuff, but i don't see any good solution to it yet :/
[21:43:24] <ValarQ> maybe i should try something crazy, like implementing it in haskell
[21:44:02] <jmkasunich> ValarQ: what's this about a HAL gui?
[21:44:30] <ValarQ> jmkasunich: a crapplication like interface for HAL
[21:44:40] <ValarQ> * ValarQ searches for a screenshot
[21:45:02] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich doesn't know what crapplication is
[21:45:02] <ValarQ> jmkasunich:
http://arda.no-ip.org/crapahalic.png
[21:45:11] <ValarQ> jmkasunich: it's a small pcb-editor
[21:45:27] <ValarQ> jmkasunich:
http://arda.no-ip.org/pics/crap3.png
[21:45:41] <jmkasunich> I see
[21:45:44] <jmkasunich> interesting
[21:45:56] <alex_joni> I find the concept (approach) interesting
[21:46:03] <alex_joni> instead of an offline stuff
[21:46:11] <alex_joni> it's more like an frontend to halcmd
[21:46:12] <jmkasunich> I've wanted to do something along those lines almost as long as HAL has existed
[21:46:20] <jmkasunich> but I'm a poor GUI programmer
[21:46:25] <ValarQ> alex_joni: yeah, thats my thoughts about it
[21:46:27] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: you're getting old
[21:46:38] <jmkasunich> getting old? I am old
[21:46:39] <alex_joni> * alex_joni remebers jmkasunich and ValarQ talking about it
[21:46:45] <alex_joni> a few months ago ;)
[21:46:57] <ValarQ> HAL is a pretty neat thingie
[21:47:20] <ValarQ> i have been using it for more wild things than emc2
[21:47:38] <jmkasunich> good!
[21:48:05] <ValarQ> would be pretty cool to break it out of emc2 to have it in a separate package someday
[21:48:20] <jmkasunich> I've thought about that
[21:50:05] <jmkasunich> see:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/blocs - I haven't actually written any code there yet. Don't want to divide effort between that and EMC.
[21:50:45] <jmkasunich> like to talk more, but time to leave
[21:51:21] <jmkasunich> (our baseball team blew their chance at the playoffs, so we're gonna take out our frustrations by shooting bits of paper)
[21:51:36] <ValarQ> oh
[21:51:48] <jmkasunich> back in a couple hours
[21:52:08] <jmkasunich> if you have more thoughts on ways for HAL to go, email me
[21:52:15] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich at att dot net
[21:52:56] <ValarQ> ok, how many developers are there behind HAL?
[21:53:55] <alex_joni> about a couple
[21:53:59] <alex_joni> * alex_joni counts
[21:54:02] <alex_joni> there's jmkasunich
[21:54:04] <alex_joni> and ....
[21:54:10] <alex_joni> hmmm, I think that's it ;)
[21:56:57] <ValarQ> the AUTHORS file in the cvs is even shorter than that
[21:57:12] <alex_joni> it is?
[21:57:13] <alex_joni> :D
[21:58:15] <ValarQ> [vq@hugin] ~/apps/cnc/emc2 $ ls -l docs/AUTHORS
[21:58:16] <ValarQ> -rw-r--r-- 1 vq users 0 12 jun 2004 docs/AUTHORS
[21:58:24] <ValarQ> yupp :)
[21:58:52] <alex_joni> heh
[21:59:10] <alex_joni> check the various files
[21:59:17] <alex_joni> it usually says who did what
[21:59:55] <ValarQ> yeah i know, i just started of by checking the AUTHORS file
[22:01:24] <ValarQ> obviously jmk has written all the files i ripped when i wrote my pwm controlling driver/monster
[22:03:32] <alex_joni> what monster?
[22:04:27] <ValarQ> the driver required pretty low fp_period value to render an acceptable signal for the servos :/
[22:04:54] <alex_joni> I see
[22:05:10] <ValarQ> shortly... it's a monster
[22:06:26] <ValarQ> i think i give up that crazy idea of writing the fe in haskell
[22:06:35] <alex_joni> lol
[22:06:47] <ValarQ> i'm not very good at writing fe's in haskell :(
[22:07:44] <ValarQ> great language othervise thought
[22:21:58] <alex_joni> http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=92
[22:23:43] <ValarQ> alex_joni: ?
[22:24:00] <alex_joni> not sure it runs on *nix
[22:25:54] <ValarQ> no prob, a small curl+mplayer hack does the trick ;)
[22:26:27] <ValarQ> it did
[22:26:30] <ValarQ> oh mein got!
[22:26:38] <alex_joni> yup
[22:26:50] <ValarQ> thats pretty impressive
[22:28:22] <alex_joni> most of the movies there are
[22:32:35] <ValarQ> * ValarQ starts writing a crapcanvas library
[22:33:33] <rcsu> moin moin
[22:33:42] <alex_joni> moin
[22:33:43] <ValarQ> eve
[22:34:31] <alex_joni> ValarQ:
http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=117
[22:34:37] <alex_joni> now that's what I call a stupid dog
[22:34:57] <alex_joni> rcsu: need help?
[22:35:03] <alex_joni> Jymmm:
http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=117 :)
[22:35:14] <rcsu> alex_joni: no, just lurking for now
[22:35:20] <alex_joni> ok ;)
[22:35:25] <alex_joni> happy lurking
[22:36:54] <Jymmm> Had a dlink pci wifi card go bad, called T/S "That model in no longer supported". I just bought it a few months ago and still under the 1yr warranty plus you just updated drivers in march", "That model is no longer supported *CLICK*".
[22:37:31] <icee> jymmm: certified mail can cure a lot of ills like that
[22:37:32] <alex_joni> jerks
[22:37:40] <Jymmm> icee ?
[22:38:09] <alex_joni> Jymmm: this will cheer you up :
http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=120
[22:38:21] <icee> when companies screw with you and refuse to support their products, a letter describing the circumstances and warning of possible further action usually will bring them into line.
[22:38:47] <icee> they really don't like things to get documented and then to turn into class action lawsuits.
[22:39:16] <Jymmm> icee: Usually. I'll call their marketing VP this week. That should resovle future issues as Marketing controls EVERYTHING in a company.
[22:40:00] <icee> Depends on the company.
[22:40:15] <icee> Many companies are sales driven or engineering driven.
[22:40:24] <Jymmm> BUT.... the dlink router I have which is much older they'll provide support for.
[22:41:07] <rcsu> anyway, the techs are the pushers to biz
[22:45:12] <rcsu> i have the nc-step card, can i directly connect em to the minimot driver ?
[22:50:07] <rcsu> * rcsu is wondering that noone is responding
[22:50:25] <alex_joni> noone around with nc-step cards
[22:50:28] <alex_joni> got a link?
[22:52:06] <rcsu> its in german:
http://www.nc-step.de/step3d.html
[22:53:10] <alex_joni> so.. what emc flavour you plan to use?
[22:53:15] <alex_joni> there are quite a few :D
[22:53:37] <alex_joni> the board looks pretty standard step/dir (for 3 channels)
[22:53:51] <alex_joni> so I think connecting it to emc shouldn't be a problem
[22:54:46] <rcsu> uh, i would use a self compiled version
[22:55:17] <rcsu> not one of the BDI stuff
[22:55:36] <rcsu> i ask only for the cabling thing
[22:55:59] <alex_joni> if you want self compiled, then I'd avise emc2
[22:56:07] <alex_joni> in that case you don't need to worry about the cabling
[22:56:34] <alex_joni> using HAL you can easily connect the signals to any parport pins you like (in software)
[22:56:49] <rcsu> afaik, emc2 is last updated 2003/4
[22:56:51] <alex_joni> i.e. to match your phisical setup
[22:57:02] <alex_joni> not really
[22:57:09] <alex_joni> emc2 is the current development version
[22:57:24] <alex_joni> emc1 is stable with only bugfixes to receive
[22:57:31] <alex_joni> but emc2 is where things are happening
[22:57:50] <rcsu> :) you need a bug fixer ?
[22:57:55] <alex_joni> latest commit about 29.09.2005
[22:58:18] <alex_joni> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/emc
[22:58:23] <rcsu> svn or cvs ?
[22:58:41] <alex_joni> cvs@sf
[23:14:32] <alex_joni> Jymmm:
http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=169
