just change the passwd ***** on line 25
to identify with the server
and the all nick* of course
yeah.... we dont need two Jacky^'s in here =)
youll love it
Jymmm: you tried it ?
nope. I like kvirc.... simpler to use, much like mirc
remove the numbers from lines when paste
another great irc cliect is .. Erc
anna_emc: going to sleep ?
office time tomorrow ? :P
Jacky^ Quit flurting with my woman!
she must work tomorrow ..
no, she's coming over here tomorrow. Work is just the excuse
she work from 7am to 16 pm
Yep, just like last time. You want to see the photos?
here are 00:47 am ..
Jack_emc2 you would, you pervert!!!
Jacky^ you would, you pervert!!!
Jymmm: just kidding
the life its hard enough :(
I know, just playing with you is all =)
anyone has seen robin_sz around ?
i would ask for a plasma cutter
my cousin is going to start his machine :P
start building .. :\
Jymmm: sleeping ? :P
see the tower ?
here is where anna_emc work :P
Jacky^ here's where I work =) http://pinkpoodle.com/
Jacky^: I'm the official bikini inspector. But, Igot fired becasue there are no bikini's to inspect =(
(it's a joke)
Jymmm: [nolog] here is where i work.. (adult only) http://www.cazzatelle.com/immagini/52.JPG
Jacky^: If that's you, I think I have an idea why anna likes you =)
LawrenceG you ol' hound dawg you!
looking for a recommendation on a control card
5 axis machine
rotary encoders on servos
would like to use dual loop feedback with linear encoders too
have all my drivers
let me guess... and you want to spend less than $200 ?
just trying to pick a card for EMC
no, just not more than 2l
i'm being realistic ;)
*I* don't know, but I know others will... maybe try Les if nobody else is around to respond.
i posted on cced and cnczone, maybe on sourceforge tomorrow
I'm just using puny steppers
just trying to get some feedback from people
I know for a fact that Les would lead you in the right direction.
More than likely in the music room with a sifter if brandy
or two ro four
but not like you're going to be buying tomorrow or anything
not at all
i have put off building anything until i have everything
and this is my last big thing
you know about us digital
then i actually have to get off my ass and build
i've heard of them
usdigital.com makes encoders
what are you using for amps?
on sm232 servos
hopefully they will have enough oomph if i get the rest of the design right
thats all greek to me, the other folks on here know all that.
already got your PS done?
hey, i can throw around part numbers like a pro
just don't ask me to speak technical
the tq10s are sweet though
they plug in to 120v
oh, very cool
makes it easy
i'll probably build an enclosure and run a 120v bus, then tap off of that
yeah it does =)
what kind of machine?
that's like way far down though
what kind though? mill, lathe, router, edm, etc
mini? full? desktop?
heh... a sherline with those servos you have! LOL
the sherlin might just be top heavy with those!
what be da haps Sir LawrenceG
i think my servo would be bigger than the spindle
oooh! that's an idea
live tooling, heh
Jymmm, well spent all day playing with qemu.... very cool, built a win98 image with all the tools... now windows runs on linux!
sounds cool. hows HW support?
my last app that I was running on windows was acad and it runs great under qemu
isn't that like installing a vw engine in an F-16? :P
yes, but now I can dump my windows box!
hmm, i wonder how pro/e would run
i can't afford to go but the linux version
the nice thing is the entire windows image (read c:) is just a file that qemu runs
how's the speed compared
right, i do similar with xp on my mac
solidworks chokes on it though
I just burnt a backup copy on dvd... so when windows kills itself, I just restore the file instead of an all day reinstall
speed is not bad as I am using the kqemu accelerator.... on my 2.4ghz p4, I would guess it emulates windows like a 500mhz box
very usable in acad... pretty sure its faster than my old k6 233 windows box.
I am still trying to figure out how to get the cdrom to behave.... I can start emu with a cd in the drive, but I cant change to a new cd without shutting down and restarting windows... time for some more reading
i have hacked xp down to the bare minimum to get pro/e to run worth a crap
i'm a little disappointed in my laptop
jcolley bet ya haven;t =)
i would love to dump it and switch it to linux
jcolley if you haven't hacked the registry for a minimum of 12 hours, it's not 'bare minimum' =)
i'm starting on that next
there's so much crap that runs
what i wouldn't give for the source
jcolley Strting bid $1000 USD
how much disk space does pro-e take for an install?
LawrenceG: let me look, hang on
pft, then i would be looking for a $200 control card
LawrenceG: looks like 1.4 gig
jcolley mo, for the XP source code
that's with *every* option
that's what i mean
and then what would i have
two terabytes of poorly written code
do you use it at work? I have only seena quick demo and it looks like a big project to learn
jcolley you mena 2Tb of poorly written code where the own er is the richest man in the world?
well, that too
LawrenceG- no, i wish at work. some of the design weenies use it but it's all classifed access stuff
i just get to play at home
self teaching and yes...good learning curve
oh pro engineer ?
jcolley hard to learn?
SolidWorks is kinda nice
but, with pro/nc option, i can eventually generate my g-cde straight from it
SolidWorks has SolidCAM fwiw
i love SW, but can't get work to support it for me at home
our organization is all pro/e now
at least that way i can get help
is it better/worse/same?
i can't speak for solidcam
but i tend to believe pro/e has *way* more ability
SW -vs proE?
and with that
harder to use
along with it a steeper learning curve I'd susptect
in sw, i could whip stuff up willy nilly
in pro/e i have to think a lot more
but, it is designed as a parametric system
as we all have to do in life
so you can design from the assembly down to the part
instead of in sw, from parts up to assembly
hey Jymmm, you know windows.... what version of ie can I download that will run on win98... currently have version 4
but why would you want to?
well maybe not...
LawrenceG you need it to install updates, but it installs a LOT of shit too
well this is win98 original.... its best kept off the internet!
it's too bad everyone using windows doen't feel that way...
I wanted to get acad running to try out cradeks dwg to gcode
LawrenceG you arent using any other cad software that can export to acad?
oh well...i'll try later
I need a nice cheap 1 MHz PLL
like under a buck
way under a buck
$.53 qty 1, looks like it will give you center frequences around 1MHz. http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=displayproduct&lstdispproductid=480237&e_categoryid=266&e_pcodeid=59510
what are you cooking up?
oops, I should head in to work...
-55 to +105c
$.16 in quantity
hi les :)
hi all !
alex_joni (grab the mp3, sounds much better than reading the lyrics)
firefoy just choked on that page
try another browser
where's the mp3?
your favorite bit torrent site
don't have any bittorrent sw installed
what am I going to do with you?!
lol.. at this hour? nothing :)
* alex_joni is just too tired to care
and I am pissed that I almost got scammed
* Jymmm just doens't care, period.
thx to jepler & cradek for opening my eyes :)
what did THOSE two do now?
first I found this: http://www.usaphotonation.com/products.asp?product_id=11860&engine=froogle#
looked ok, buuut
[20:02:09] <alex_joni> http://www.resellerratings.com/seller8278-p1-s1-d1.html#reviews
Jymmm: check this out www.clocky.net/videos/gma.mov
this afternoon I get the steppers running with stepgen type 2
alex_joni oh gawd...
an old printer board
now I need to get the third additional pin for any axis to turn on-off the current
Jymmm: ain't that the stupidest thing ever
alex_joni: any idea about how to get the 3rd pin ?
should I edit source code in stepgen.c ?
I'd use the estop signal from iocontrol
let me look
alex_joni pretty much... The "bookshelf stereo" I have has a wake-up feature. You can program it to play the radio, cd, etc at a specific time in the morning AND you can set the 'wake up volume' too. So you can listen to it softly before going to bed, then wake up BLARING to the cd =)
* alex_joni uses gradients
then progressive increases
till I wake up
This turns on, then you can watch the volume dial turn up, then goes to the cd track you programmed in and H E L L O !!!!!!!!!
so you still have a chance to run away
no need, has remote control =)
Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
DUMBASS -----> alex_joni <----- DUMBASS
Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
I got up at 5am. It's 4 pm now. Can I quit work for today?
les hell no
you need to finish the secodn shift
slaving over a hot lathe
and the third shift too
* alex_joni got up at 6 am
and finished working at 1800
ok. I'll keep working. However I will work in the music room, and have a beer also.
les but you can't turn anything on
in the music room
he can turn a beer
if he wants sex with a beer can... to each his own.
anyone have a fairly good rule to go by when going from making tool changes -vs- more passes with a smaller tool?
on the router?
router, but mostly when makign the toolpaths
I generally use the largest diameter I can get away with. Saves a lot of time.
is that with or without an auto tool changer =)
Millwrite can automatically calculate a corner etc cleanup with a smaller tool.
I looked it briefly, I didn't care for it.
the ratio of large tool to small cleanup tool is almost always about 4:1 for minimum machining time.
The UI is a little different
Well, I'd have to stop the machine, stop the spindle, open the dust cover, jog it over, change out the tool, re zero the tool, close the dust cover, start the spindle, start going again.
in the 20-30 minutes to do all that it just might be easier to let it go with a smaller tool.
yeah...too much. I use my router positive stop toolholders, so all that is taken care of. No rezeroing
and I have to wait 5 minutes from the time I stop the spindle to the time I can open the dust cover - unless I dont want to breath that is
I jog over to the side where I can reach it under program control, then a programmed M00 pauses it.
Hitting resume after the change continues the program
still it takes 3 min or so
sounds similar to a toolchange on cradek's mill
jog up in "z" to get enough clearance to remove the tool, put in the new tool, and continue
That's my problem....imagine 100 changes a day...
les needs more hands :)
I wish I had access to a lathe, I'd try making the tool changer idea I have.
I was doing lathe stuff where bores had to be lapped to 0.0001 today
steel plunger had to fit in a .0625 deep hole.... with an oil tight fit
but still free to move
It's for some tiny, tiny adjustable ultrasonic resonators.
les ok, I'll send over the drawings to you to machine up =)
hi les.... sounds like fun
hi LawrenceG :)
I finally got acad running on my linux box.... yea no more windows box
qemu works wonders... now have a virtual win98 machine that cant mess with much.
* Jacky^ is happy with vmware
not bad.... I would guess it makes a 2.5ghz linux box run like a 500mhz windows box... very usable in acad... will time some big drawing regens
tool path generation in cam is what takes the most resources for me
sometimes it can take an hour
its great... the only way for windows to escape is via putty ssh client or psftp
but usually quicker.
wnat are you do cam with?
les wich video card ?
just a poor quality nvidea that is on the mb
typing skills not graded....
mmhh.. thats why
could use better...I practice flying navigation on flight simulator...it needs good video
I mean 32 meg not k
still not very good
les try 256MB video ram
i used nvidia for many years
latest time i switched to Ati 256 mb
yeah I looked at some cards
read some reviews
Jymmm: probably les cant insert recent agp card 8x ..
but my office box is getting old too...
maybe changing the mobo ..
not cheaper at all
yeah...well I would say it is about two thirds done with it's useful life
I try to get 3 years out of a box
have good mass storage in this one
2 x 80 hardware raid mirror
and a third 80 extra
7561 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1512.200 FPS
8086 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1617.200 FPS
this is ati 256
hm, you use flight simulator to practice navigation, les? ;) i use it to practice flying under bridges :P
That card was highly reccomended on flight sim forums
Flight sim is really very accurate....I am a pilot for real planes and use fs for practice
mostly nav skills
in case they turn off the gps
I'm a private pilot
If I flew the same as I do in flight simulator in real life
well, i wouldn't be flying :P
my best FS landing is about the same as the worst i put my instructor through
couple models are not good...
I think it's mostly the input devices
piper cub CAN'T be that hard to land in a x wind
and helicopters CAN'T be that hard to fly
then there's the fun PIO trying to trim out the simulator
well it seems to model inverse pitch hyteresis fairly well....
but as you know some real planes don't trim to speed well
Well, I'm more saying: when I trim a real aircraft, I get the thing flying level with a couple fingers on the yoke, and then slowly trim off the forces with the pitch trim wheel or the trim actuator
what do you fly?
there's no analog to that in FS, other than, letting go of the yoke, and moving the trim, and hoping it lines up
still mostly c172; a sr-22 at times
and a tailwheel endorsement is on the soon-to-do list
I fly 172 here...but not much lately
learned in a warrior and flew archer/dakota a lot earlier
i really need to get checked out in some of the pipers. would make aircraft availability a lot better to rent
i hope to build a vans rv-8 before too long.
warrior/cherokee is just too easy to fly
easier to land in x wind than 150 or 172
max demonstrated is 17 kt but 20-25 is no problem with a little power in for some rudder authority
less flap helps slightly too
i don't get near enough xwind landing practice here
I learned on a single runwy in the windy city....
8.4 dme from ohare
class bravo was pattern +300 ft
all my flying to date has been in california. lots of interesting mountain flying, etc.. but relatively few challenges from weather (other than marine layer)
yeah it would be bad to get stuck on top of that
it comes in late; it more tends to delay departures in the morning
and is fairly unpredictable for when it'll go away
I'm vfr, but have had little problems flying into ifr
lost ground contact for a good while in a snowstorm once
so an instrument rating is tempting-- not so much for regular instrument flight, because i'm not sure i will fly enough to maintain that level of proficiency.. but to be able to depart ifr and cancel
yeah it sure is
I might do that
that's what I use fs for
Well, vfr or instrument....little planes are just impractical toys really
but I sure do like em
* icee nods.
It's not all that useful for travel, etc, (though there are a few trips i've taken where it's probably worked out to be cheaper than any other alternative)
and I don't really have a whole lot of desire to go faster or farther
i'm content to just go on short little day trips with friends or just fly around the local area
On nice days I would fly business trips from chicago to indy....but only if I didn't have a particular time I had to be there
there's a fun little thing you can ask bay approach for here, the 'bay tour'
oh and when getting back from commercial flight at chicago midway....If weather was good I would rent a 172 and instructor to fly it back and use that to go home.
it was about the same as cab fare
it's my favorite way to transition the bravo; they take you up 101, across midfield at sfo at 1000', and then on over the golden gate bridge
ohare just wouldn't let you in...period.
norcal/bay approach/whatever they call themselves these days are really very nice when conditions permit them to be
(there was a couple month period a year ago where they changed their name 3 times; now they're stable as 'norcal'.. i think.)
One good tour down in florida was a low pass over the shuttle landing strip....but it's not done anymore
had to call em up first
used to be ok
how long have you been flying?
i've been licensed for 2 years; i started flying in 2000 but circumstances didn't allow me to finish
i've got 160hrs pic
I have 275 or so...but that is over 10 years. Have not been flyng much lately. Starting a new business sucked up the money.
Even more than airplanes!
;) i know how that is
i had a crummy time with training, actually
in 2000, business concerns tied me up and made me stop
in 2001 i started up again shortly before sept 11 and everything was all messed up
and then in 2002, i started up again-- right before entering talks with symc to acquire my company
which didn't pan out.
that is, the flying didn't pan out because of the unanticipated crap
I just used home equity loan money and went for it
but took a while still due to often poor weather
every time i thought things were stable and i'd have plenty of time, something huge came up.
Now I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum-- bored with nothing to do but hobby projects. :P
I kept up lessons all winter....so landed on ice and packed snow a lot
My business is doing well so I can afford it again...but I have a time problem
les: got an url for your company?
small but doing well
ah, furniture.. neat.
mostly engineering work
and some cnc production stuff
nice shop :)
quite the varied career, too, which is a good thing
thanks...yeah reinvent every few years haha
That helps a lot with product development
i've been out of industry a couple years.. i'm trying to figure out how to get plugged back in
i'm sort of doing the vc gig right now, but it makes me feel dirty
Well it was a little strange with me. I was in the corporate world, but wanted to start my own business.
My inventions did well there, so I was able to start my own business and still work for the. I try for half and half.
So for half the time, I am under an invention/ non disclosure/compete contract....
and half the time i'm not!
that's a pretty nice arrangement.. it hedges out a lot of the uncertainty
yeah...I like it.
i founded my company at 19. I had little to lose.
and then got on the crazy venture capital trajectory, became profitable, sold it to SYMC
was chief architect there for all their enterprise products for a bit over a year and then split
well off though....
I did OK from it. I miss the energy of being at a startup though, and doing hard engineering with real impact
I did it twice. Once starting a division at corp, and once for me.
both pretty hard.
hey, me too ;)
at 17, i went to work in industry and went to work for exodus communications
and built their computer security services business up to $15m/yr; and it was the only business at exds that was generating positive cash flows as far as i could tell
uh...at 17 I was sittin' behind the dumpster at high school smokin' a joint
so after 2.5 years of that, and being compensated almost purely in stock from a place that was bleeding red ink.. it wasn't hard to choose to leave
i mean, it was funny. I was the chief technologist and did the product marketing group for the only profitable group at the company, and they were paying me $30k/yr.. heh
when i went to leave they countered me with $120k. it was funny.
Well, yeah. I was payed ok at the corp, even good bonuses.
But I didn't have a piece of the action.
That's why I did this.
the upside is important, yah.
and being able to prevent the organization from doing really stupid things without fighting WWIII
that's even more important for me
If you do several things, and most of them work and make money....you want to do it for you rather than the stockholders
well, it's also very frustrating to see them work and make money, but because of organizational structure, broken incentivization/wrong sales org structure, etc, not go nearly as far in the market as they should
I have an odd situation comming up though
my best product's base patent expires in two years.
The patent does not tell how to make it.
They know how to make it at the division that was created....and I know how to make it.
it's not 'enabling'-- e.g. it doesn't allow someone reasonable skilled in the art of (mechanical design, whatever) to produce it?
you don't want to say that
if a patent isn't enabling it's not enforcable
my attorneys at corp woked miracles I guess
oh, you can get any patent granted
we have one two infrigement suits
The infringers got about halfway there technically
well, it all depends-- like you can patent a method to do X, and have the patent be an enabling description on how to do X, when a useful patent requires X,Y, and Z
but you, as inventor, definitely don't want to be saying 'the patent doesn't tell you how to do X'
not too worried
it's the process
that is the tough part
my patents have finally started to issue
the backlog at the USPTO is crazy
yes it is
over a year on my last
filed another last week
over a year? mine were filed in 1999, and have just issued in the past few months
* zwelch bets the target area of the patent affects its turnaround time
sounds like it
[23:09:49] <icee> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1='lyle,+michael'&OS=%22lyle,+michael%22&RS=%22lyle,+michael%22
is that yours?
it's extraordinarily valuable, too, as since DNSSEC and sender-id and all kinds of protocols have started to use similar techniques
it's unlikely symantec will enforce it though
icee: i tried to find the answer to this in scrollback, but i couldn't: what attracted you here/to EMC? :)
zwelch: I'm building some stepper pwm controller boards and i'm going to automate my little mill
i figured it was worthwhile to lurk here and hear what people are complaining about
just hobby interest then?
yah, pretty much.
read some but don't understand much! My stuff usually involves transducers. Last one filed is an encoder
les: I don't understand much, either. part of what the patent attorneys do is turn my enabling disclosure into code that only lawyers can read :P
oops time before last
latest I can't talk about for a while....
yeah I can't read that crap on my patents
* zwelch wonders how to introduce icee to the idea of investing some VC in/around EMC ;)
zw: hey, i'm willing to look at and pass on business plans
zw: I'm not sure what offhand would have the immediate applicability and market sizing to justify an investment, though
if you can't have a large exit in 3-5 years, venture capital isn't interested
even if the growth rates/generated cash flows are good and the risk is low
right, i am familiar with VC expectations (i.e. i grok what "large exit" means)
icee: mind if i privmsg you? :)
not at all.
icee...gotta go...good talking to you
les: the same goes to you. take care.
* zwelch waves to les too
les is now known as les_away