#emc | Logs for 2005-09-27

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[00:00:41] <anna_emc> hello bosone
[00:00:46] <anna_emc> night
[00:01:00] <paul_c> Good evening Anna
[00:01:28] <bosone> hi paul :)
[00:01:48] <paul_c> Hi bosone
[00:02:47] <Jacky^> hye paul_c
[00:02:49] <bosone> what time is in your country?
[00:03:42] <paul_c> 23:41
[00:04:03] <Jacky^> bosone: have you seen my detktop-shot ??
[00:04:25] <bosone> no, let me see
[00:05:05] <Jacky^> take a look ! http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=146&pos=2
[00:05:15] <Jacky^> you can see also the moon :D
[00:05:35] <Jacky^> in the left up
[00:05:47] <Jymmm> Jacky^: sure, I'll come to italy and sleep in your bed then make anna jealous!
[00:06:06] <Jacky^> Jymmm: lol :)
[00:06:23] <Jymmm> oh, she left already.... nm
[00:06:24] <bosone> Jaky^:very nice!
[00:06:45] <Jymmm> Jacky^ you snore too loud and steal the blankets!!!
[00:06:48] <Jacky^> bosone: yes.. the pictures are updates every 5 min
[00:07:17] <Jacky^> the webcam every 1 min
[00:07:34] <Jacky^> Linux is great :)
[00:08:02] <bosone> i live in a colplete caos! and main pc have winzoz
[00:08:20] <bosone> a server wit devillinux
[00:08:44] <bosone> a machine with bdi
[00:09:01] <Jacky^> try also freebsd
[00:09:02] <Jacky^> lol
[00:09:04] <Jacky^> :)
[00:09:09] <Jacky^> kidding ..
[00:09:21] <Jacky^> I know
[00:09:40] <Jacky^> i also use win2k with artcam, but with vmware in linux
[00:10:05] <Jacky^> autocad,
[00:10:08] <Jacky^> paltalk
[00:10:19] <Jacky^> :D
[00:10:42] <bosone> i'd like to complete migrate but take a lot of time
[00:11:13] <bosone> you run autocad with winee?
[00:11:19] <Jacky^> nah ..
[00:11:35] <bosone> vmware?
[00:11:35] <Jacky^> with winr you can run solitar.exe
[00:11:42] <Jacky^> if youre lucky ..
[00:11:47] <Jacky^> vmware 5
[00:11:54] <Jacky^> is strong
[00:12:08] <Jacky^> i'm using 256 mb video card ATI
[00:12:28] <Jacky^> no prob working with 3D rendering in win emulated ..
[00:12:33] <Jacky^> its the only way
[00:12:42] <Jacky^> i also tried qemu
[00:12:48] <Jacky^> nothing to do
[00:12:54] <Jacky^> have not 3D accelleration
[00:13:10] <Jacky^> needed by 3D jobs ..
[00:13:52] <bosone> yes your grafic card is not fully used. my friend use emule and nero with winee
[00:14:35] <Jacky^> bosone: i need to simulate a toolpath ..
[00:14:49] <Jacky^> to render a 3D objects
[00:14:57] <Jacky^> impossible to do with wine..
[00:15:06] <bosone> but you can use grafic memory as swap...
[00:15:21] <Jacky^> bah..
[00:15:36] <Jacky^> i tried qemu, looks like a nice virtual machine
[00:15:45] <bosone> or direct gpu for parallel matrix calculation
[00:16:09] <Jacky^> but i' haved problems just starting installing the SP2 on win2k ..
[00:16:26] <Jacky^> a lot of hacking is needed before get SP2 installed
[00:16:36] <Jacky^> and it only begun ..
[00:16:54] <bosone> i use also autodesk inventor, you know?
[00:17:04] <Jacky^> yeah
[00:17:10] <Jacky^> with wine ?
[00:17:42] <Jacky^> i nkow autocad has also a nice feature cam ..
[00:17:52] <bosone> no, i think is impossible i a emulated enviroments
[00:18:05] <bosone> in
[00:18:53] <Jacky^> mmhh ..
[00:19:04] <Jacky^> ive some doubts about
[00:19:38] <Jacky^> i started developing with delphi II for windows in the 1999
[00:20:02] <Jacky^> after some year, i swicthed ti kylix (the linux raid version)
[00:20:22] <Jacky^> it failed just over some year ..
[00:20:34] <Jacky^> Linux Windows are different worlds
[00:20:41] <Jacky^> too much
[00:21:28] <Jacky^> get the API function working in linux is hard
[00:21:36] <Jacky^> was hard before
[00:21:44] <Jacky^> now seem impossible*
[00:22:47] <Jacky^> at high level i love Ruby
[00:23:19] <Jacky^> can run everywhere
[00:23:30] <bosone> i don't know
[00:23:55] <Jacky^> http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
[00:24:03] <Jacky^> is something like python
[00:24:16] <Jacky^> a little bit young
[00:24:21] <Jacky^> a little bit better
[00:24:23] <Jacky^> ;)
[00:26:43] <Jacky^> bosone: youre familiar with microcontroller ..
[00:26:57] <Jacky^> what you think abou developing a card for emc ?
[00:27:10] <Jacky^> PCI card ..
[00:28:18] <Jacky^> mission impossible ?
[00:29:47] <bosone> yes, is more simple that i think..
[00:29:58] <bosone> fpga4fun
[00:30:30] <Jacky^> it is very interesting form me
[00:30:33] <bosone> http://www.fpga4fun.com/PCI0.html
[00:30:45] <Jacky^> already seen ..
[00:31:05] <Jacky^> I know
[00:31:07] <bosone> this is the simplest pci core that i found
[00:31:30] <Jacky^> good
[00:31:49] <bosone> for realtime is whot we need, no dma
[00:32:17] <Jacky^> understood ..
[00:32:32] <Jacky^> something is maybe changing about it
[00:32:53] <Jacky^> but a driver can always be rewritten i suppose..
[00:33:56] <bosone> i'm for open hardware, the problem is that burning a lpt port isn't letal, purning the pci bus is a great problem!
[00:34:30] <Jacky^> uhm ..
[00:34:49] <Jacky^> the pci bus sholuld not be a great secret
[00:35:02] <Jacky^> i've seeen many card and schematic about,
[00:35:13] <Jacky^> scope, voltmeter, etc.. PCI
[00:35:39] <Jacky^> this could be expand the power of emc2
[00:35:51] <bosone> now i work on a parallel port version with epp support, pci in the future
[00:39:10] <Jacky^> yeah
[00:39:20] <Jacky^> PCI slot should be more powerful
[00:41:47] <bosone> yes, 32 bit data path!, i think using parallel port in the right way can take a lot of advantages
[00:44:10] <Jacky^> wich advantages ?
[00:44:19] <Jacky^> I/O, speed ?
[00:46:43] <bosone> one day for this program for set the parallel port register http://www.webalice.it/bosone77/lptreg.htm
[00:47:49] <bosone> now i'm going to test it and the cpld
[00:49:22] <bosone> speed is semplicity with hardware help (not to much like dma or big fifo)
[00:50:43] <Jacky^> hm .. good luck :)
[01:25:09] <bosone> g'night all
[01:48:40] <Jacky^> night
[06:37:42] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[06:37:46] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[07:43:16] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[07:44:49] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[08:12:27] <alex_joni> morning
[16:54:51] <paul_c> Evening Jymmm
[16:54:58] <Jymmm> hi paul
[16:55:47] <Jymmm> I'm actually able to make some purrrrty sawdust
[16:56:17] <paul_c> Got a kitty cat ?
[16:56:36] <Jymmm> cats are good for one thing.... dogfood
[16:57:07] <paul_c> Cats eat mice
[16:57:18] <Jymmm> so do snakes
[16:57:20] <paul_c> They also paint...
[16:57:31] <Jymmm> paint?
[16:58:03] <paul_c> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0898156122/002-5490311-3298443?v=glance
[16:58:11] <paul_c> http://www.monpa.com/wcp/
[16:59:46] <rayh> damn that was fun
[16:59:49] <Jymmm> paul_c: how you know about that I just don't want to know =)
[17:00:06] <rayh> ksirc and emc/adeos don't work well together.
[17:00:17] <paul_c> Saw the book in a store during a visit to Japan
[17:00:30] <Jymmm> paul_c Ah, ok.
[17:00:36] <Jymmm> rayh that seems really strange.
[17:00:51] <rayh> uh not to me!
[17:01:17] <Jymmm> irc is nothign more than glorified telnet
[17:02:19] <rayh> What I wound up with is a half dozen defunct ksirc processes
[17:02:25] <jepler> I don't think that's accurate. IRC doesn't support telnet's IAC, for instance.
[17:02:41] <Jymmm> IAC ?
[17:03:02] <Jymmm> * Jymmm smacks jepler! You know what I mean dad burnit!
[17:07:30] <Jymmm> expensive lil buggers... http://www.iasco-tesco.com/inject/injecti.htm
[17:11:10] <paul_c> Coo... Latex by the gallon..
[17:11:54] <Jymmm> didnt even see that (have local supplier for wearable laytex)
[17:13:27] <Jymmm> paul_c http://liquidlatex.net/ Company name says it all
[17:14:48] <paul_c> Jymmm: http://www.latex-project.org/ <--- More useful.
[17:19:29] <Jymmm> paul_c I got somethign more useful than that
[17:39:57] <Jymmm> * Jymmm goes to learn something useful... like what stepover is
[18:32:26] <rayh> that was fun paul_c's update script caused the whole box to fail.
[18:32:49] <rayh> old kernel, safe mode, new kernel, safe mode.
[18:33:11] <rayh> all kernel panic.
[18:41:51] <Jymmm> * Jymmm chuckles *
[18:42:20] <Jymmm> probably some simple lil switch too
[18:46:56] <rayh> There is a small issue with grub's menu.lst but that doesn't solve it.
[18:48:44] <Jymmm> I know nut-ting about all that... I'm still learning what LOGIN: does
[18:51:15] <rayh> Right now I feel like I'm at about the same level.
[18:52:14] <Jymmm> lol... yeah, when shit unexpectantly flies like that, it's like the world stopped turning and all you can do is give a blank stare at the display.
[18:55:06] <Jymmm> can you revert back to the old kernel at all?
[18:56:30] <rayh> no it fails as well
[18:56:45] <Jymmm> hmmmm, that sucks.
[18:57:07] <Jymmm> you need paul?
[19:10:08] <rayh> Dinner probably.
[19:10:29] <Jymmm> Yeah... I msg him for you as well.
[19:21:25] <alex_joni> evening all
[19:22:03] <Jymmm> morning
[19:22:05] <alpha> yo
[19:22:08] <alpha> alpha is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[19:22:18] <alex_joni> * alex_joni finished packing
[19:22:24] <A-L-P-H-A> where you going?
[19:22:34] <Jacky^> hello
[19:22:38] <alex_joni> another customer
[19:22:44] <Jymmm> yeah, likely excuse, the lil lady probably kicked your ass to the curb!
[19:22:46] <A-L-P-H-A> are we going to sweden? where the women are all beautiful?
[19:22:51] <alex_joni> I came home on saturday
[19:22:59] <alex_joni> after 4 weeks of trips ;)
[19:23:05] <A-L-P-H-A> you were gone?
[19:23:11] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: sweden only in 2 weeks
[19:23:44] <A-L-P-H-A> i didn't realize you were gone... I just thought you were quiet.
[19:25:07] <alex_joni> I'm never quiet
[19:25:12] <alex_joni> if I am.. I am missing ;)
[19:28:07] <Jymmm> alex_joni Geeeze... now when I go to kill you, everybody will know!
[19:28:27] <alex_joni> Jymmm: you'll fail, just like everybody else
[19:28:42] <alex_joni> on the other hand, you might want to pick a number (the line is long)
[19:29:28] <Jymmm> alex_joni explosives and biological weapons give me a shortcut to the beginning of the line =)
[19:29:42] <Jymmm> we aim to please =)
[19:29:52] <alex_joni> heh
[19:32:47] <Jymmm> so where off to now?
[19:34:15] <rayh> Hi alex
[19:34:38] <alex_joni> hey ray
[19:34:49] <rayh> Home at last?
[19:34:58] <alex_joni> tonight
[19:35:12] <A-L-P-H-A> Anyone elses nose really itchy after they trimmed their nose hairs?
[19:35:13] <Jymmm> In respect to vectors and cnc... is only the stroke used and never the fill?
[19:35:15] <alex_joni> tomorrow morning (6 am) I'll drive to a customer
[19:35:28] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: try a candle
[19:35:31] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: just comb them into your beard
[19:35:40] <alex_joni> cradek: lol
[19:35:45] <A-L-P-H-A> candle?
[19:35:53] <alex_joni> yeah, to burn them
[19:35:53] <alex_joni> :D
[19:36:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I grow whiskers...
[19:36:20] <A-L-P-H-A> uh, YEAH. smart! I'll try that next time.
[19:36:46] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A Get yourself a EDM machine then you can do "Home Electrolisis" =)
[19:37:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I've sneezed like something lik 10 times now.
[19:37:29] <Jacky^> is '5' pins the max limit as phase ouput in stepgen ?
[19:37:46] <cradek> Jacky^: simple matter of programming
[19:37:52] <A-L-P-H-A> Jacky^, well, that'd be a 5 phase motor.
[19:38:13] <Jacky^> what if i change the costant value? can work ?
[19:38:44] <Jacky^> i.e. 6
[19:40:24] <LawrenceG> you will quickly run out of i/o pins
[19:40:26] <Jacky^> i'm lookinh at an IC that have 6 pins to be drived
[19:40:33] <Jacky^> 5 arent enough
[19:41:05] <alex_joni> 6 pins?
[19:41:08] <alex_joni> what kind of IC?
[19:41:24] <Jacky^> Ph1 Ph1 i01 i02 i11 i12
[19:41:39] <Jacky^> ops Ph1 Ph2*
[19:41:54] <Jacky^> with chopper control
[19:41:59] <alex_joni> what's i01, i02, etc
[19:42:19] <Jacky^> current output
[19:42:23] <Jacky^> regulation
[19:42:37] <alex_joni> well.. you won't drive that from stepgen
[19:43:03] <Jacky^> and what ?
[19:43:16] <alex_joni> select the combination you like
[19:43:20] <alex_joni> and leave it like that
[19:43:32] <alex_joni> connect some of them to ground, some to Vcc
[19:43:49] <Jacky^> a moment .. i know
[19:44:08] <Jacky^> i cant put all pins low
[19:44:20] <Jacky^> i01 i02 i11 i12
[19:44:30] <Jacky^> go get always full current on motor
[19:44:47] <alex_joni> ok.. sounds ok
[19:44:53] <Jacky^> but the motor become hot after some min :\
[19:44:54] <alex_joni> and you have 2 phase stepping
[19:45:07] <alex_joni> well.. then connect all of them to one pin
[19:45:14] <alex_joni> and that to power-on from emc
[19:45:24] <alex_joni> so when you don't move the motor you can power down
[19:45:34] <alex_joni> maybe set up an estop logic to o that
[19:45:34] <Jacky^> right ..
[19:45:36] <alex_joni> to do
[19:45:52] <alex_joni> but it's normal for steppers to get hot if they don't move
[19:45:55] <cradek> it would be nice if emc could idle steppers
[19:46:23] <alex_joni> cradek: not really a problem to do
[19:46:26] <jepler> many controller boards seem to have a mode that decreases the current after a delay...
[19:46:34] <alex_joni> the problem I would think is to start them fast enough
[19:46:53] <alex_joni> if you have a sudden movement you might have a big delay till the drives power up again
[19:46:57] <alex_joni> depending on the drives
[19:47:05] <alex_joni> not talking steppers neccessarely
[19:47:20] <alex_joni> but a big servo would need a few msecs
[19:47:33] <cradek> yeah, driver hardware can't predict the future
[19:47:40] <alex_joni> otoh servo are driven with feedback
[19:47:45] <alex_joni> so it wouldn't matter much
[19:47:54] <alex_joni> pid would catch up the lost time
[19:47:59] <Jacky^> ah.. other question
[19:48:14] <jepler> cradek: is there a pin emc could use with your driver setup to "idle"?
[19:48:20] <Jacky^> i've read something about hal encoder component
[19:48:28] <alex_joni> jepler: might do that easily in emc2
[19:48:45] <alex_joni> another pin from the motion controller
[19:48:46] <Jacky^> but cant understand ..
[19:48:52] <alex_joni> and connect it to a free pin at the parport
[19:49:00] <cradek> jepler: yes, but it might be off a step when it restarts - I would have to experiment
[19:49:01] <jepler> alex_joni: right, but I don't know if there's a pin for that on cradek's circuit boards
[19:49:02] <Jacky^> is it used with external HW ?
[19:49:05] <alex_joni> Jacky^: what don't you understand?
[19:49:28] <alex_joni> Jacky^: the hal component is to be used with an encoder iirc
[19:49:29] <cradek> jepler: but my setup is so underpowered the motors never get warm no matter what
[19:49:33] <Jacky^> i mean, an external encoder can by wirde to internal component ?
[19:49:36] <alex_joni> connect the encoder to the parport
[19:49:49] <alex_joni> an the hal encoder connected to the parport should read the encoder
[19:49:54] <alex_joni> up to parport speeds
[19:50:04] <Jacky^> so, theorically, it could check the steps ?
[19:50:08] <alex_joni> don't expect to do 5000 RPM on a 2500 IPM encoder ;)
[19:50:11] <alex_joni> right
[19:50:24] <Jacky^> nice
[19:50:30] <alex_joni> cradek:might want to crank the power up
[19:50:33] <alex_joni> to increase speeds
[19:50:40] <alex_joni> then it would matter
[19:51:01] <alex_joni> but if you're happy with it....
[19:51:09] <cradek> alex_joni: already 40v - can't go much higher with L298
[19:51:22] <alex_joni> right :(
[19:51:23] <jepler> cradek: but you could increase Vref for higher average current
[19:51:26] <alex_joni> geckos?
[19:51:27] <alex_joni> :D
[19:51:27] <cradek> alex_joni: and I'm pretty happy, I get 30ipm now
[19:51:50] <Jacky^> cradek: mmm.. slow
[19:51:52] <alex_joni> whatever that in human units is
[19:51:53] <cradek> jepler: it doesn't seem to do anything, that mostly just changes the idle current
[19:51:58] <Jacky^> i'm about to 27 too
[19:52:03] <Jymmm> Just got in the NUMPAD's... looks like it'll work nicely as a pseudo pendant (once I get the bindings setup properly) =)
[19:52:03] <jepler> cradek: oh, because it's all about the rise-time. right.
[19:52:06] <cradek> * cradek introduces alex_joni to `units'
[19:52:10] <Jacky^> but i burned my driver many times
[19:52:10] <cradek> jepler: right
[19:52:15] <alex_joni> * alex_joni seen a nice laser cutting
[19:52:21] <alex_joni> 9 m/min cutting speeds
[19:52:25] <alex_joni> 30 m/min rapids
[19:52:38] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ ghghg
[19:52:40] <jepler> cradek: what is the X travel of the machine?
[19:52:41] <alex_joni> that's medium fast I'd say
[19:52:51] <cradek> jepler: 7-8"
[19:53:05] <cradek> jepler: I usually use << 6
[19:53:05] <Jacky^> alex_joni: how hundrem billion dollars ?
[19:53:08] <Jacky^> :D
[19:53:16] <alex_joni> Jacky^: not that much
[19:53:17] <jepler> so that's 5 trips across the working area per minute
[19:53:21] <cradek> yeah
[19:53:33] <cradek> but my gcode doesn't suck bad enough that it matters
[19:53:38] <alex_joni> about 50-80K the machine + the cost of the laser
[19:53:56] <Jacky^> far away from me ..
[19:54:06] <Jymmm> alex_joni sealed of flowing? CO2 ?
[19:54:15] <alex_joni> yag iirc
[19:54:18] <alex_joni> 2kW
[19:54:20] <alex_joni> pretty small
[19:54:35] <Jymmm> no, not at all.... 30W is pretty small
[19:54:38] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ is hacking printers and old scanner !
[19:54:41] <Jacky^> lol
[19:54:41] <alex_joni> but I've seen some 8 kW lasers ;)
[19:54:49] <alex_joni> now those are nice
[19:54:51] <alex_joni> :))
[19:55:00] <Jymmm> alex_joni and the electric bill too
[19:55:02] <alex_joni> and I read about a 12kW one
[19:55:08] <Jacky^> using mouse as encoders :)
[19:55:17] <alex_joni> wth, if you got 500k for a 4kW laser
[19:55:28] <Jymmm> I'd be happy with a 150W Co2 (pref flowing) laser
[19:55:30] <alex_joni> you might have enough money for the electrical bill :)
[19:55:35] <alex_joni> electric bill even
[19:55:57] <Jymmm> alex_joni didn't you hear? California ran out of electricity =)
[19:56:00] <alex_joni> what would you do with that?
[19:56:26] <Jymmm> with 150W ?
[19:56:42] <Jymmm> wood/plastic
[19:56:46] <Jymmm> stone
[19:57:00] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jack_dinner
[19:57:11] <Jymmm> leather, fabric, paper,
[19:57:20] <alex_joni> Jymmm: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/trms.htm
[19:58:02] <alex_joni> "Most work on solid-state lasers has focused on developing a 100 kW device that would be capable of shooting targets as cruise missiles. The Army plans to spend $22 million in FY-06 and FY-07 for a solid-state laser weapons system demonstrator for the Joint High Power SSL."
[19:58:08] <Jymmm> alex_joni Nah, I dont' want to take over the world, just have it leave me alone
[19:58:10] <alex_joni> now that's a laser ;)
[19:58:21] <alex_joni> 100kW
[19:58:48] <Jymmm> Heh.... I used to work for that company
[19:59:03] <alex_joni> yeah.. till they discovered you stole the laser :D
[19:59:04] <Jymmm> Boeing (used to be Lorel) EOS
[19:59:27] <alex_joni> jepler: finally decided on the camera I'll get
[19:59:29] <Jymmm> Nah, worked on ALQ-157 and MILES II
[20:00:00] <Jymmm> some very cool shit
[20:00:19] <alex_joni> Jymmm: if you say so ;)
[20:00:28] <Jymmm> alex_joni http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/an-alq-157.htm
[20:01:21] <alex_joni> Jymmm: sounds nice alright
[20:01:31] <Jymmm> alex_joni pics and details http://www.aiaa.org/tc/sur/Pages/ALQ-157M.pdf
[20:01:40] <alex_joni> never mind ;)
[20:01:48] <alex_joni> my mind is too tired right now
[20:02:30] <Jymmm> the mind is a terrible thing to waste
[20:02:52] <alex_joni> jepler: still around?
[20:03:20] <jepler> alex_joni: kinda-sorta
[20:03:33] <alex_joni> heh.. decided on the 350D
[20:03:59] <alex_joni> the Canon EOS 350D, Digital Rebel XT
[20:04:04] <alex_joni> to be more precise
[20:05:25] <jepler> ah, I hope you like it
[20:05:34] <alex_joni> yeah.. me too
[20:05:50] <alex_joni> found it pretty cheap: http://www.usaphotonation.com/products.asp?product_id=11860&engine=froogle#
[20:06:49] <jepler> http://froogle.google.com/froogle/merchratings?store=usaphotonation&q=usaphotonation
[20:07:09] <jepler> be careful
[20:08:08] <alex_joni> hmmm
[20:13:33] <cradek> wow, those are some interesting reviews
[20:13:42] <alex_joni> really
[20:14:05] <jepler> cradek: sounds a lot like that place you tried to order your LCD monitor from
[20:14:09] <jepler> the one with the impossibly good price...
[20:14:12] <cradek> yeah
[20:14:47] <alex_joni> bad experience?
[20:14:59] <cradek> nah, I'm too smart for them to get away with it
[20:15:04] <cradek> but they did try to scam me.
[20:15:26] <cradek> actually I think everything on pricewatch is a scam.
[20:17:32] <jepler> that's probably a slight overstatement
[20:18:13] <cradek> probably, but I don't waste time searching for the low price like that now.
[20:18:43] <alex_joni> hmm.. sounds yucky
[20:18:48] <alex_joni> the reviews I mean :(
[20:18:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is having second thoughts :(
[20:19:05] <cradek> alex_joni: you should be having more than second thoughts
[20:19:14] <alex_joni> right
[20:19:28] <cradek> look at the dates - there are several reviews a WEEK about them being crooks.
[20:19:57] <alex_joni> right :(
[20:20:03] <jepler> these are the people I bought my camera from. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=371191&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation
[20:20:11] <alex_joni> http://www.resellerratings.com/seller8278-p2-s1-d1.html#reviews
[20:20:31] <jepler> they have never given me the runaround, except that they once called me at home to verify my shipping address (which was my office)
[20:21:01] <jepler> I've bought one or two cameras there, and also a refurbished lens
[20:21:03] <jepler> anyway, gtg
[20:21:16] <jepler> goodluck with finding a place to buy that camera you want
[20:30:11] <Jack_dinner> Jack_dinner is now known as Jacky^
[20:39:05] <Jacky^> who actually is updating Hal for Integrators ?
[20:40:12] <Jacky^> rayh: ?
[20:40:47] <alex_joni> Jacky^: it's jmkasunich afaik
[20:40:51] <alex_joni> cradek: you left too?
[20:41:21] <Jacky^> i found some 'error inside' ..
[20:41:39] <Jacky^> and i was thinking about a italian translation too
[20:41:49] <Jacky^> if is useful ..
[20:42:41] <alex_joni> sure.. do one ;)
[20:42:54] <ValarQ> whats wrong with the english?
[20:42:55] <paul_c> Translations of the .po files are always welcome...
[20:43:12] <Jacky^> ValarQ: not about the language
[20:43:15] <alex_joni> ValarQ: too little english speakers around
[20:43:24] <alex_joni> spanish might be a hit
[20:43:28] <ValarQ> alex_joni: sure
[20:43:30] <Jacky^> the error is in the 'howto'..
[20:43:48] <Jacky^> he talk about stepgen
[20:43:59] <Jacky^> when stepgen has never load before..
[20:44:16] <ValarQ> i
[20:44:18] <Jacky^> if i'm reading the updated vers.
[20:44:39] <ValarQ> i'm just afraid that the translation won't get updated as often
[20:44:40] <Jacky^> 3-4 errors
[20:45:21] <Jacky^> i taked some note
[20:47:31] <paul_c> Jacky^: Have one of the HAL docs open... where is the error ?
[20:47:53] <Jacky^> let me check a sec..
[20:49:08] <Jacky^> pag 31
[20:49:27] <Jacky^> siggen1
[20:49:45] <paul_c> section number please.
[20:49:46] <Jacky^> when is siggen0
[20:50:10] <Jacky^> Hooking up the "scope probes"
[20:50:21] <Jacky^> at the end of the page
[20:50:41] <Jacky^> siggen.1.triangle
[20:50:54] <paul_c> I don't have page numbers.
[20:50:55] <Jacky^> could be siggen0.triangle
[20:51:11] <Jacky^> chapter 2. hal configuration
[20:51:43] <Jacky^> some other is in the page before..
[20:51:48] <paul_c> section ?
[20:52:47] <Jacky^> looking ..
[20:55:15] <ValarQ> alex_joni: are there many users that doesn't speak english at all?
[20:55:43] <Jacky^> gghgh
[20:55:47] <Jacky^> paul_c: losted ..
[20:55:55] <alex_joni> ValarQ: I'd imagine
[20:56:05] <alex_joni> there is a large crowd in germany
[20:56:37] <Jacky^> but was another error as siggen.1.triangle instead of siggen.0.triangle..
[20:57:04] <alex_joni> Jacky^: write the notes into an email, and send it to jmkasunich
[20:57:22] <alex_joni> I did that once a while back, and he changed them pretty fast.
[20:57:31] <Jacky^> ok
[20:57:40] <Jacky^> also in pag 29
[20:57:51] <Jacky^> theres no stepgen.thread
[20:57:57] <Jacky^> fig 2.4
[20:58:07] <Jacky^> anyway
[20:58:17] <Jacky^> tomorrow i can repeat all commands
[20:59:32] <Jacky^> in some case, the parport ouput appear on show
[20:59:57] <Jacky^> when in the fig of howto are not showed
[21:00:34] <Jacky^> halcmd show command , i mean
[21:01:18] <ValarQ> alex_joni: ok
[21:03:38] <Jacky^> paul_c: probably during the update something was skipped
[21:03:56] <Jacky^> they used the old images shot ..
[21:04:00] <Jacky^> thats why
[21:04:30] <paul_c> HAL is JMK's work - I leave it to him to document.
[21:04:48] <Jymmm> paul_c btw jmk said he does ZERO GUI
[21:04:50] <Jacky^> ok, i will try to translate it in italian
[21:05:07] <Jymmm> Jacky^ madarine chinese
[21:05:23] <Jacky^> :)
[21:05:42] <Jacky^> i dont think is too much useful
[21:06:14] <Jacky^> because users who come to emc in 99% of cases can read in english
[21:06:31] <Jacky^> anyway.. i will do
[21:06:34] <Jacky^> it
[21:07:22] <paul_c> The emc2/src/po/it.msg would be of more general use...
[21:07:53] <alex_joni> right
[21:07:55] <Jacky^> paul_c: ok, i will take a look to it too
[21:08:05] <alex_joni> it's pretty easy to translate
[21:08:05] <Jymmm> can someone explain 'stepover' ?
[21:08:18] <alex_joni> * alex_joni could explain handover
[21:08:29] <Jacky^> Jymmm: should be simple
[21:08:32] <Jymmm> alex_joni dont you mean hanfover
[21:08:37] <Jymmm> hangover
[21:09:22] <paul_c> Jymmm: Say you have a 10mm dia cutter...
[21:09:33] <Jymmm> ( ( ) )
[21:09:38] <paul_c> you make one pass along x0
[21:09:39] <Jacky^> Jymmm: tool stepover ?
[21:09:55] <paul_c> you make another pass at x7.5
[21:10:07] <Jacky^> yeah
[21:10:12] <Jymmm> 2.5 being the overlap between passes ?
[21:10:14] <paul_c> step over = 7.5mm
[21:11:42] <Jymmm> do most cad/cam take stepover in respect to all dimensions? Such as an v cutter as example?
[21:12:25] <Jacky^> Jymmm: in artcam thers a tools database
[21:12:41] <Jacky^> for any tool you can decided stepover
[21:12:50] <Jymmm> vcutter w/o stepover == staircase, with stepover nice angled finish. Correct?
[21:13:28] <Jacky^> :\
[21:13:45] <Jacky^> i never used Vcutter for one more pass ..
[21:14:01] <Jymmm> Jacky^: relief carving
[21:14:17] <Jacky^> with V bit ?
[21:14:23] <Jacky^> never eard
[21:15:03] <Jymmm> i was palying last night, turned out nice, but staircased. trying different things now.
[21:15:04] <Jacky^> anyway ive seen in Vbit the angle can be specified
[21:15:25] <Jymmm> Jacky^ we are on two different pges my friend =)
[21:16:13] <Jymmm> paul_c ty
[21:16:17] <Jacky^> hi anna_emc :)
[21:18:10] <Jacky^> Jymmm: it seem does not exist stepover in Vbit
[21:18:26] <Jacky^> diamter, angle, Z depth
[21:19:00] <Jacky^> at least for what i see ..
[21:19:34] <Jymmm> Jacky^ Not 'V Bit Carbing', 'Relief Carving' using a vbit tool.
[21:19:47] <Jacky^> understood ..
[21:20:43] <Jacky^> so, the stepover can't be bigger then Vbit cutter terminal side..
[21:20:51] <Jacky^> :\
[21:21:21] <Jacky^> otherwise regular lines will apper on the job
[21:21:25] <Jacky^> I suppose..
[21:21:55] <Jymmm> err not relief, but bevel
[21:22:12] <Jacky^> mmh
[21:22:35] <Jacky^> i don't know how much is ok for that job ..
[21:23:03] <Jacky^> the Vbit
[21:23:31] <Jacky^> a small ballnose should be nice
[21:23:51] <Jacky^> for high details
[21:26:20] <Jacky^> anyway the Vbit could be used too
[21:26:31] <Jacky^> but it required a very small stepover
[21:26:50] <Jacky^> sometthing like 0,2 mm or smallest
[21:27:25] <Jacky^> 3000000 passes :\
[21:27:37] <anna_emc> anyway?
[21:27:53] <alex_joni> indeed
[21:27:53] <Jacky^> anna_emc: :) anyway we are
[21:27:56] <Jacky^> hehe
[21:28:26] <Jymmm> what's wrong with 3,000,000 passes at 96" and 2IPM ?
[21:28:51] <Jymmm> I *AM* charging by the hour you know =)
[21:28:59] <Jacky^> :D
[21:35:32] <anna_emc> i go to sing a moment please!
[21:36:06] <Jacky^> ok, have a fun :)
[21:36:12] <Jymmm> That should be $144,000,000.00 USD PAY UP SUCKER!
[21:37:34] <Jacky^> Jymmm: its a theft
[21:37:50] <Jacky^> bunglary
[21:38:01] <Jymmm> Jacky^ Nope, *THE* smoothest finish you'll every feel!
[21:38:02] <Jacky^> burglary
[21:38:04] <Jacky^> :)
[21:42:32] <Jacky^> bosone: listening ?
[21:43:12] <alex_joni> Jymmm: gotta be carefull
[21:43:18] <alex_joni> a whole mob in here ;)
[21:43:21] <alex_joni> they'll get you eventually
[21:45:57] <icee> jymmm: well, you need to finish the job sometime in your lifetime to actually collect, too :P
[21:46:11] <anna_emc> ehila
[21:46:18] <anna_emc> hello alex_joni
[21:46:32] <alex_joni> hello anna_emc
[21:46:37] <alex_joni> what's ehila?
[21:47:10] <anna_emc> ehila
[21:47:12] <anna_emc> bho
[21:47:26] <anna_emc> :-)
[21:47:32] <alex_joni> sorry?
[21:47:52] <Jacky^> anna_emc: which room ?
[21:47:54] <Jacky^> :\
[21:49:01] <anna_emc> exclamation
[21:49:02] <Jacky^> heila.. she mean hey ..
[21:49:05] <Jacky^> haha
[21:49:42] <alex_joni> :P
[21:49:59] <Jacky^> alex_joni: if you have paltalk installed
[21:50:13] <Jacky^> you can erad anna_emc singing :)
[21:50:20] <alex_joni> lol
[21:50:23] <Jacky^> :D
[21:50:24] <Jymmm> icee : Nah.... 50% down, 50% upon completion =)
[21:50:39] <alex_joni> nope .. think I'll miss that :(
[21:50:44] <Jacky^> anna_emc: we need a song for emc
[21:50:50] <Jacky^> a nice song :)
[21:51:03] <Jymmm> anna_emc Yeah, any song from James Brown!
[21:51:06] <Jacky^> take pen and paper and wrote
[21:51:47] <paul_c> anna_emc: Blue Danube
[21:52:04] <Jacky^> anna_emc: have a smothness voice
[21:52:17] <anna_emc> no i sing imagine
[21:52:18] <Jacky^> i suppose microstepping voice :P
[21:52:30] <Jacky^> anna_emc: the only one you know ?
[21:52:34] <Jacky^> sigh ..
[21:52:38] <anna_emc> no
[21:52:40] <Jacky^> no ..
[21:52:44] <Jacky^> anna know also
[21:52:51] <Jacky^> some song by bob dylan
[21:52:57] <anna_emc> song italiane
[21:53:06] <Jacky^> like knockin on heavens door
[21:53:10] <anna_emc> wow
[21:53:12] <Jymmm> anna_emc James Brown
[21:53:12] <anna_emc> yes
[21:53:15] <Jacky^> no ?
[21:53:17] <Jacky^> :)
[21:53:29] <anna_emc> james brown I dancing
[21:53:34] <anna_emc> ah ah
[21:53:39] <Jymmm> heh
[21:53:41] <Jacky^> Jymmm: nah.. james brown its a strong voice
[21:53:54] <Jymmm> Jacky^ It's a joke =)
[21:54:00] <anna_emc> Home di buble!
[21:54:00] <Jacky^> hehe
[21:54:14] <Jacky^> ah Mike buble'. yeah ..
[21:54:19] <Jacky^> nice :)
[21:54:43] <Jacky^> anna_emc: in wich room are you ?
[21:54:51] <Jacky^> i cant find you
[21:55:17] <Jymmm> Jacky^ lojacked anna_emc! lol
[21:56:41] <Jacky^> found :)
[21:59:17] <Jacky^> Jymmm: install paltalk !
[21:59:21] <Jacky^> lol :D
[21:59:22] <Jymmm> no
[21:59:28] <Jacky^> come on
[21:59:32] <Jymmm> no
[22:00:04] <Jacky^> its funny :P
[22:00:10] <Jymmm> no
[22:00:52] <Jacky^> :)
[22:03:08] <les> jacky and anna ran off to paltalk?
[22:03:11] <les> heh
[22:03:27] <Jacky^> les: great singer :P
[22:03:38] <les> you or anna?
[22:03:43] <Jacky^> join chat tranquilla
[22:03:48] <Jacky^> anna_emc:
[22:03:50] <Jacky^> lol
[22:03:54] <Jacky^> :)
[22:04:05] <les> aw I have to work....
[22:04:07] <les> haha
[22:04:16] <Jacky^> ah its ok ..
[22:04:26] <les> I have too many contracts
[22:04:30] <Jacky^> you can listen during the work ;)
[22:04:36] <Jacky^> like a radio
[22:04:39] <les> heh
[22:04:45] <Jacky^> :)
[22:05:03] <les> I have it but I am not signed up so I only get voice in a few channels
[22:05:06] <les> let me check
[22:05:25] <Jacky^> cchannel chat tranquilla
[22:05:29] <les> k
[22:05:40] <Jacky^> anna_emc: is waiting to sing
[22:06:36] <alex_joni> * alex_joni sings himself a lullaby
[22:07:40] <alex_joni> night guys
[22:07:48] <Jymmm> night
[22:07:49] <Jacky^> g night alex_joni
[22:07:58] <anna_emc> night alex_joni
[22:08:07] <cradek> g'night johnboy
[22:08:17] <jepler> what'd I msis?
[22:08:20] <jepler> miss
[22:08:23] <Jymmm> g'night billy joey bob
[22:08:43] <cradek> well, I haven't been watching
[22:08:52] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is going to bed
[22:08:53] <les> ok in tranquilla
[22:08:53] <Jymmm> neither have i =)
[22:08:57] <alex_joni> big happening
[22:09:00] <alex_joni> LOL
[22:09:06] <alex_joni> jepler: thanks for the tip
[22:09:14] <alex_joni> seems the store you said is the best of them
[22:09:17] <rayh> catch you later alex
[22:09:26] <alex_joni> didn't find a reliable store with a lower price :(
[22:09:57] <cradek> alex_joni: jepler is good for advice, but if you convince him HE needs a new camera, you can do even better.
[22:10:14] <alex_joni> jepler: you might need a 350D too ;)
[22:10:20] <alex_joni> it's a lot better than the 300D
[22:10:23] <alex_joni> a lot faster :D
[22:10:32] <alex_joni> 0.2 sec power-on time
[22:10:48] <alex_joni> the 300 does ages compared to that ;;)
[22:12:10] <Jacky^> les: anna_emc is anna sotto le stelle :)
[22:12:13] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:12:15] <Jymmm> power on time of D70 == as fast as I can flip the switch
[22:12:31] <alex_joni> yeah.. for you that's about 2 minutes
[22:13:21] <bosone> I finish my easy program for acces lpt http://www.webalice.it/bosone77/lptreg.htm
[22:13:23] <les> right jacky...who are you on paltalk?
[22:14:42] <Jacky^> zofaichecca
[22:14:45] <Jacky^> haha
[22:15:14] <Jacky^> anna_emc: wahy 4 ?
[22:15:19] <Jacky^> why*
[22:15:28] <Jacky^> losted step ?
[22:15:30] <Jacky^> lol
[22:15:32] <Jacky^> :D
[22:15:49] <Jacky^> anna_emc: you was 2nd !
[22:15:59] <les> now third
[22:16:09] <Jacky^> bah ..
[22:16:14] <les> yeah
[22:18:17] <Jacky^> :)
[22:18:32] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ mute ..
[22:18:36] <Jacky^> haha
[22:20:01] <les> she's on
[22:20:06] <les> WOW
[22:20:11] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:22:36] <Jacky^> the voice its ok
[22:22:45] <Jacky^> the sound level seem low..
[22:22:52] <Jacky^> :)
[22:24:43] <Jacky^> anna_emc: you need to increase the midi level
[22:24:59] <les> just a little
[22:25:04] <les> sounded great!
[22:25:05] <Jacky^> yeah
[22:25:08] <Jacky^> haha
[22:26:02] <Jacky^> :)
[22:35:31] <Jymmm> brb
[22:39:17] <Jacky^> clap clap anna_emc :)
[22:39:26] <Jacky^> hahaha
[22:39:55] <Jacky^> napul´┐Ż' (naples is ..)
[22:41:18] <les> very nice anna
[22:41:25] <Jacky^> :)
[22:41:26] <anna_emc> thanks
[22:41:39] <Jacky^> she wont sing Image J. Lennon ..
[22:41:51] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:42:21] <AchiestDragon> where would i find a list of G-code commands
[22:42:44] <Jacky^> AchiestDragon: in linuxcnc i think ..
[22:42:46] <les> on the wiki I think
[22:42:47] <Jacky^> a moment
[22:42:53] <les> or the handbook
[22:42:53] <Jacky^> yeah..
[22:43:01] <Jacky^> also in the handbook
[22:43:09] <Jymmm> echo echo
[22:43:10] <AchiestDragon> k
[22:43:12] <AchiestDragon> ty
[22:43:15] <Jacky^> :)
[22:44:16] <Jymmm> AchiestDragon
[22:44:19] <Jymmm> http://linuxcnc.org/handbook/RS274NGC_3/RS274NGC_3TOC.html
[22:44:43] <Jacky^> damn gcode ..
[22:45:17] <Jacky^> artcam have something like 125 different types of gcode file output :\
[22:46:20] <AchiestDragon> ok finding info for a brl-cad import /export converter
[22:46:30] <AchiestDragon> brb
[22:51:04] <Jymmm> EXCELLENT! These numpads should work out nicely!!!
[23:23:57] <les> ok about time for work to stop today
[23:24:17] <les> hi ray.
[23:24:29] <rayh> aHI Les
[23:25:05] <les> guess I will drop $5k+ on autop change spindle
[23:25:15] <les> seems to make the most sense
[23:25:39] <les> hope emc interface will not be too big a deal
[23:25:43] <rayh> Sounds good to me.
[23:26:07] <rayh> Shouldn't. Just build a tool holding carousel or slider or such that you can
[23:26:13] <les> I considered palletizing the work...but that would be significantly slower
[23:26:46] <rayh> position to the tool-in-spindle raise up z and move to new tool.
[23:26:54] <les> I have much, much more work than I can do right now...so ATC makes sense
[23:27:09] <les> of course as soon as I get it it will all dry up haha
[23:27:43] <rayh> Right. I've done that.
[23:27:56] <les> we all have I suspect
[23:28:32] <les> hey....when I started my business the world economy immediately collapsed
[23:28:35] <les> hmmm
[23:28:37] <les> ??
[23:28:57] <rayh> yep file the papers and listen to the giant flushing sound.
[23:29:04] <les> heh
[23:31:57] <les> well...6:08...Think I will go and power down the shop
[23:32:33] <les> hour earlier for you ray, but still brat/beer time
[23:32:42] <les> must be cooling off up there
[23:32:45] <rayh> catch you later.
[23:32:53] <les> later
[23:32:55] <rayh> Yes it is, frost these nights.
[23:35:43] <AchiestDragon> http://www.neat.com/techinfo/pdf\MDM7manual.pdf thease any good ?
[23:35:50] <Jacky^> hello rayh :)
[23:37:43] <rayh> How you doing today?
[23:37:51] <Jacky^> rayh: nice :)
[23:37:57] <Jacky^> beautiful day
[23:38:11] <rayh> how's the project
[23:38:18] <Jacky^> learning a little bit more about emc2 :)
[23:38:37] <Jacky^> playmg around emc2
[23:38:55] <Jacky^> its very nice
[23:39:22] <rayh> Good. We'll need you for the mazak completion.
[23:39:40] <Jacky^> ouch :(
[23:39:50] <Jacky^> mazak ? i've no idea..
[23:40:23] <rayh> There is some stuff on the wiki about it.
[23:40:24] <Jacky^> i just seen something looking in the /emc dir
[23:40:48] <Jacky^> rayh: nice, i will look
[23:40:52] <Jacky^> sure
[23:41:30] <Jacky^> and you ?
[23:41:33] <Jacky^> all ok ?
[23:42:11] <rayh> Yep. Had a bit of a problem with my surfing box today but getting it back.
[23:42:21] <rayh> using bdi-4.29 for the base.
[23:42:55] <Jacky^> i read a bit ..
[23:43:03] <Jacky^> with irc
[23:43:11] <Jacky^> xchat should be nice
[23:45:25] <rayh> I used and liked it. The last one I ran had a font problem.
[23:45:26] <Jacky^> I use Linux coyote to share adsl connection
[23:45:39] <rayh> lost the last couple of characters in the line
[23:45:52] <rayh> ah. That sounds good.
[23:46:08] <Jacky^> oh .. you maybe need to install true type fonts
[23:47:00] <Jacky^> rayh: I love irssi as irc client
[23:47:21] <Jacky^> but it took 1 mounth before get it up and running :\
[23:47:59] <rayh> tried true type but the just didn't live with xchat.
[23:48:00] <Jacky^> for you maybe its simple, since you can read well english language
[23:48:07] <rayh> no doubt my problem.
[23:48:17] <Jacky^> mmhh ..
[23:48:36] <Jacky^> i remember something about small fonts and xchat
[23:48:45] <Jacky^> its a little bit hard ..
[23:49:18] <Jacky^> rayh: take alook to my irc client here: http://irssi.org/
[23:49:25] <rayh> It's a quick setup to use
[23:49:30] <Jacky^> i like it because is such bitchx
[23:49:40] <Jacky^> it can run also from console
[23:49:48] <Jacky^> without X server
[23:50:05] <Jacky^> http://irssi.org/?page=themes
[23:50:51] <Jacky^> i can send you the ini file.. to connect freenode with autojoin in emc
[23:50:55] <Jacky^> if you need
[23:51:10] <Jacky^> also auto-identify
[23:51:22] <rayh> sounds like a nice reader.
[23:51:26] <Jacky^> yeah
[23:51:28] <Jacky^> :)
[23:52:14] <Jacky^> of course, if you like the keyboard
[23:52:26] <rayh> * rayh puts irssi on the todo list.
[23:52:37] <Jacky^> to switch in a channel it use alt+1-2-3-4 etc ..
[23:52:42] <Jacky^> :)
[23:56:20] <rayh> I barely get onto one channel with my dialup.
[23:57:15] <Jacky^> :( understood ..
[23:59:12] <Jacky^> rayh: anyway, if you want to try irssi
[23:59:17] <Jacky^> http://rafb.net/paste/results/plHPLN95.html
[23:59:23] <Jacky^> this is my ini file
[23:59:42] <Jacky^> autojoin to emc