Good evening Anna
hi paul :)
what time is in your country?
bosone: have you seen my detktop-shot ??
no, let me see
take a look ! http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=146&pos=2
you can see also the moon :D
in the left up
Jacky^: sure, I'll come to italy and sleep in your bed then make anna jealous!
Jymmm: lol :)
oh, she left already.... nm
Jacky^ you snore too loud and steal the blankets!!!
bosone: yes.. the pictures are updates every 5 min
the webcam every 1 min
Linux is great :)
i live in a colplete caos! and main pc have winzoz
a server wit devillinux
a machine with bdi
try also freebsd
i also use win2k with artcam, but with vmware in linux
i'd like to complete migrate but take a lot of time
you run autocad with winee?
with winr you can run solitar.exe
if youre lucky ..
i'm using 256 mb video card ATI
no prob working with 3D rendering in win emulated ..
its the only way
i also tried qemu
nothing to do
have not 3D accelleration
needed by 3D jobs ..
yes your grafic card is not fully used. my friend use emule and nero with winee
bosone: i need to simulate a toolpath ..
to render a 3D objects
impossible to do with wine..
but you can use grafic memory as swap...
i tried qemu, looks like a nice virtual machine
or direct gpu for parallel matrix calculation
but i' haved problems just starting installing the SP2 on win2k ..
a lot of hacking is needed before get SP2 installed
and it only begun ..
i use also autodesk inventor, you know?
with wine ?
i nkow autocad has also a nice feature cam ..
no, i think is impossible i a emulated enviroments
ive some doubts about
i started developing with delphi II for windows in the 1999
after some year, i swicthed ti kylix (the linux raid version)
it failed just over some year ..
Linux Windows are different worlds
get the API function working in linux is hard
was hard before
now seem impossible*
at high level i love Ruby
can run everywhere
i don't know
[00:23:55] <Jacky^> http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
is something like python
a little bit young
a little bit better
bosone: youre familiar with microcontroller ..
what you think abou developing a card for emc ?
PCI card ..
mission impossible ?
yes, is more simple that i think..
it is very interesting form me
[00:30:33] <bosone> http://www.fpga4fun.com/PCI0.html
already seen ..
this is the simplest pci core that i found
for realtime is whot we need, no dma
something is maybe changing about it
but a driver can always be rewritten i suppose..
i'm for open hardware, the problem is that burning a lpt port isn't letal, purning the pci bus is a great problem!
the pci bus sholuld not be a great secret
i've seeen many card and schematic about,
scope, voltmeter, etc.. PCI
this could be expand the power of emc2
now i work on a parallel port version with epp support, pci in the future
PCI slot should be more powerful
yes, 32 bit data path!, i think using parallel port in the right way can take a lot of advantages
wich advantages ?
I/O, speed ?
one day for this program for set the parallel port register http://www.webalice.it/bosone77/lptreg.htm
now i'm going to test it and the cpld
speed is semplicity with hardware help (not to much like dma or big fifo)
hm .. good luck :)
Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
I'm actually able to make some purrrrty sawdust
Got a kitty cat ?
cats are good for one thing.... dogfood
Cats eat mice
so do snakes
They also paint...
[16:58:03] <paul_c> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0898156122/002-5490311-3298443?v=glance
[16:58:11] <paul_c> http://www.monpa.com/wcp/
damn that was fun
paul_c: how you know about that I just don't want to know =)
ksirc and emc/adeos don't work well together.
Saw the book in a store during a visit to Japan
paul_c Ah, ok.
rayh that seems really strange.
uh not to me!
irc is nothign more than glorified telnet
What I wound up with is a half dozen defunct ksirc processes
I don't think that's accurate. IRC doesn't support telnet's IAC, for instance.
* Jymmm smacks jepler! You know what I mean dad burnit!
expensive lil buggers... http://www.iasco-tesco.com/inject/injecti.htm
Coo... Latex by the gallon..
didnt even see that (have local supplier for wearable laytex)
Company name says it all
<--- More useful.
paul_c I got somethign more useful than that
* Jymmm goes to learn something useful... like what stepover is
that was fun paul_c's update script caused the whole box to fail.
old kernel, safe mode, new kernel, safe mode.
all kernel panic.
* Jymmm chuckles *
probably some simple lil switch too
There is a small issue with grub's menu.lst but that doesn't solve it.
I know nut-ting about all that... I'm still learning what LOGIN: does
Right now I feel like I'm at about the same level.
lol... yeah, when shit unexpectantly flies like that, it's like the world stopped turning and all you can do is give a blank stare at the display.
can you revert back to the old kernel at all?
no it fails as well
hmmmm, that sucks.
you need paul?
Yeah... I msg him for you as well.
alpha is now known as A-L-P-H-A
* alex_joni finished packing
where you going?
yeah, likely excuse, the lil lady probably kicked your ass to the curb!
are we going to sweden? where the women are all beautiful?
I came home on saturday
after 4 weeks of trips ;)
you were gone?
A-L-P-H-A: sweden only in 2 weeks
i didn't realize you were gone... I just thought you were quiet.
I'm never quiet
if I am.. I am missing ;)
alex_joni Geeeze... now when I go to kill you, everybody will know!
Jymmm: you'll fail, just like everybody else
on the other hand, you might want to pick a number (the line is long)
alex_joni explosives and biological weapons give me a shortcut to the beginning of the line =)
we aim to please =)
so where off to now?
Home at last?
Anyone elses nose really itchy after they trimmed their nose hairs?
In respect to vectors and cnc... is only the stroke used and never the fill?
tomorrow morning (6 am) I'll drive to a customer
A-L-P-H-A: try a candle
A-L-P-H-A: just comb them into your beard
yeah, to burn them
I grow whiskers...
uh, YEAH. smart! I'll try that next time.
A-L-P-H-A Get yourself a EDM machine then you can do "Home Electrolisis" =)
I've sneezed like something lik 10 times now.
is '5' pins the max limit as phase ouput in stepgen ?
Jacky^: simple matter of programming
Jacky^, well, that'd be a 5 phase motor.
what if i change the costant value? can work ?
you will quickly run out of i/o pins
i'm lookinh at an IC that have 6 pins to be drived
5 arent enough
what kind of IC?
Ph1 Ph1 i01 i02 i11 i12
ops Ph1 Ph2*
with chopper control
what's i01, i02, etc
well.. you won't drive that from stepgen
and what ?
select the combination you like
and leave it like that
connect some of them to ground, some to Vcc
a moment .. i know
i cant put all pins low
i01 i02 i11 i12
go get always full current on motor
ok.. sounds ok
but the motor become hot after some min :\
and you have 2 phase stepping
well.. then connect all of them to one pin
and that to power-on from emc
so when you don't move the motor you can power down
maybe set up an estop logic to o that
but it's normal for steppers to get hot if they don't move
it would be nice if emc could idle steppers
cradek: not really a problem to do
many controller boards seem to have a mode that decreases the current after a delay...
the problem I would think is to start them fast enough
if you have a sudden movement you might have a big delay till the drives power up again
depending on the drives
not talking steppers neccessarely
but a big servo would need a few msecs
yeah, driver hardware can't predict the future
otoh servo are driven with feedback
so it wouldn't matter much
pid would catch up the lost time
ah.. other question
cradek: is there a pin emc could use with your driver setup to "idle"?
i've read something about hal encoder component
jepler: might do that easily in emc2
another pin from the motion controller
but cant understand ..
and connect it to a free pin at the parport
jepler: yes, but it might be off a step when it restarts - I would have to experiment
alex_joni: right, but I don't know if there's a pin for that on cradek's circuit boards
is it used with external HW ?
Jacky^: what don't you understand?
Jacky^: the hal component is to be used with an encoder iirc
jepler: but my setup is so underpowered the motors never get warm no matter what
i mean, an external encoder can by wirde to internal component ?
connect the encoder to the parport
an the hal encoder connected to the parport should read the encoder
up to parport speeds
so, theorically, it could check the steps ?
don't expect to do 5000 RPM on a 2500 IPM encoder ;)
cradek:might want to crank the power up
to increase speeds
then it would matter
but if you're happy with it....
alex_joni: already 40v - can't go much higher with L298
cradek: but you could increase Vref for higher average current
alex_joni: and I'm pretty happy, I get 30ipm now
cradek: mmm.. slow
whatever that in human units is
jepler: it doesn't seem to do anything, that mostly just changes the idle current
i'm about to 27 too
Just got in the NUMPAD's... looks like it'll work nicely as a pseudo pendant (once I get the bindings setup properly) =)
cradek: oh, because it's all about the rise-time. right.
* cradek introduces alex_joni to `units'
but i burned my driver many times
* alex_joni seen a nice laser cutting
9 m/min cutting speeds
30 m/min rapids
* Jacky^ ghghg
cradek: what is the X travel of the machine?
that's medium fast I'd say
jepler: I usually use << 6
alex_joni: how hundrem billion dollars ?
Jacky^: not that much
so that's 5 trips across the working area per minute
but my gcode doesn't suck bad enough that it matters
about 50-80K the machine + the cost of the laser
far away from me ..
alex_joni sealed of flowing? CO2 ?
no, not at all.... 30W is pretty small
* Jacky^ is hacking printers and old scanner !
but I've seen some 8 kW lasers ;)
now those are nice
alex_joni and the electric bill too
and I read about a 12kW one
using mouse as encoders :)
wth, if you got 500k for a 4kW laser
I'd be happy with a 150W Co2 (pref flowing) laser
you might have enough money for the electrical bill :)
electric bill even
alex_joni didn't you hear? California ran out of electricity =)
what would you do with that?
with 150W ?
Jacky^ is now known as Jack_dinner
leather, fabric, paper,
"Most work on solid-state lasers has focused on developing a 100 kW device that would be capable of shooting targets as cruise missiles. The Army plans to spend $22 million in FY-06 and FY-07 for a solid-state laser weapons system demonstrator for the Joint High Power SSL."
alex_joni Nah, I dont' want to take over the world, just have it leave me alone
now that's a laser ;)
Heh.... I used to work for that company
yeah.. till they discovered you stole the laser :D
Boeing (used to be Lorel) EOS
jepler: finally decided on the camera I'll get
Nah, worked on ALQ-157 and MILES II
some very cool shit
Jymmm: if you say so ;)
Jymmm: sounds nice alright
alex_joni pics and details http://www.aiaa.org/tc/sur/Pages/ALQ-157M.pdf
never mind ;)
my mind is too tired right now
the mind is a terrible thing to waste
jepler: still around?
heh.. decided on the 350D
the Canon EOS 350D, Digital Rebel XT
to be more precise
ah, I hope you like it
yeah.. me too
found it pretty cheap: http://www.usaphotonation.com/products.asp?product_id=11860&engine=froogle#
[20:06:49] <jepler> http://froogle.google.com/froogle/merchratings?store=usaphotonation&q=usaphotonation
wow, those are some interesting reviews
cradek: sounds a lot like that place you tried to order your LCD monitor from
the one with the impossibly good price...
nah, I'm too smart for them to get away with it
but they did try to scam me.
actually I think everything on pricewatch is a scam.
that's probably a slight overstatement
probably, but I don't waste time searching for the low price like that now.
hmm.. sounds yucky
the reviews I mean :(
* alex_joni is having second thoughts :(
alex_joni: you should be having more than second thoughts
look at the dates - there are several reviews a WEEK about them being crooks.
these are the people I bought my camera from. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=371191&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation
[20:20:11] <alex_joni> http://www.resellerratings.com/seller8278-p2-s1-d1.html#reviews
they have never given me the runaround, except that they once called me at home to verify my shipping address (which was my office)
I've bought one or two cameras there, and also a refurbished lens
goodluck with finding a place to buy that camera you want
Jack_dinner is now known as Jacky^
who actually is updating Hal for Integrators ?
Jacky^: it's jmkasunich afaik
cradek: you left too?
i found some 'error inside' ..
and i was thinking about a italian translation too
if is useful ..
sure.. do one ;)
whats wrong with the english?
Translations of the .po files are always welcome...
ValarQ: not about the language
ValarQ: too little english speakers around
spanish might be a hit
the error is in the 'howto'..
he talk about stepgen
when stepgen has never load before..
if i'm reading the updated vers.
i'm just afraid that the translation won't get updated as often
i taked some note
Jacky^: Have one of the HAL docs open... where is the error ?
let me check a sec..
section number please.
when is siggen0
Hooking up the "scope probes"
at the end of the page
I don't have page numbers.
could be siggen0.triangle
chapter 2. hal configuration
some other is in the page before..
alex_joni: are there many users that doesn't speak english at all?
paul_c: losted ..
ValarQ: I'd imagine
there is a large crowd in germany
but was another error as siggen.1.triangle instead of siggen.0.triangle..
Jacky^: write the notes into an email, and send it to jmkasunich
I did that once a while back, and he changed them pretty fast.
also in pag 29
theres no stepgen.thread
tomorrow i can repeat all commands
in some case, the parport ouput appear on show
when in the fig of howto are not showed
halcmd show command , i mean
paul_c: probably during the update something was skipped
they used the old images shot ..
HAL is JMK's work - I leave it to him to document.
paul_c btw jmk said he does ZERO GUI
ok, i will try to translate it in italian
Jacky^ madarine chinese
i dont think is too much useful
because users who come to emc in 99% of cases can read in english
anyway.. i will do
The emc2/src/po/it.msg would be of more general use...
paul_c: ok, i will take a look to it too
it's pretty easy to translate
can someone explain 'stepover' ?
* alex_joni could explain handover
Jymmm: should be simple
alex_joni dont you mean hanfover
Jymmm: Say you have a 10mm dia cutter...
( ( ) )
you make one pass along x0
Jymmm: tool stepover ?
you make another pass at x7.5
2.5 being the overlap between passes ?
step over = 7.5mm
do most cad/cam take stepover in respect to all dimensions? Such as an v cutter as example?
Jymmm: in artcam thers a tools database
for any tool you can decided stepover
vcutter w/o stepover == staircase, with stepover nice angled finish. Correct?
i never used Vcutter for one more pass ..
Jacky^: relief carving
with V bit ?
i was palying last night, turned out nice, but staircased. trying different things now.
anyway ive seen in Vbit the angle can be specified
Jacky^ we are on two different pges my friend =)
hi anna_emc :)
Jymmm: it seem does not exist stepover in Vbit
diamter, angle, Z depth
at least for what i see ..
Jacky^ Not 'V Bit Carbing', 'Relief Carving' using a vbit tool.
so, the stepover can't be bigger then Vbit cutter terminal side..
otherwise regular lines will apper on the job
err not relief, but bevel
i don't know how much is ok for that job ..
a small ballnose should be nice
for high details
anyway the Vbit could be used too
but it required a very small stepover
sometthing like 0,2 mm or smallest
3000000 passes :\
anna_emc: :) anyway we are
what's wrong with 3,000,000 passes at 96" and 2IPM ?
I *AM* charging by the hour you know =)
i go to sing a moment please!
ok, have a fun :)
That should be $144,000,000.00 USD PAY UP SUCKER!
Jymmm: its a theft
Jacky^ Nope, *THE* smoothest finish you'll every feel!
bosone: listening ?
Jymmm: gotta be carefull
a whole mob in here ;)
they'll get you eventually
jymmm: well, you need to finish the job sometime in your lifetime to actually collect, too :P
anna_emc: which room ?
heila.. she mean hey ..
alex_joni: if you have paltalk installed
you can erad anna_emc singing :)
icee : Nah.... 50% down, 50% upon completion =)
nope .. think I'll miss that :(
anna_emc: we need a song for emc
a nice song :)
anna_emc Yeah, any song from James Brown!
take pen and paper and wrote
anna_emc: Blue Danube
anna_emc: have a smothness voice
no i sing imagine
i suppose microstepping voice :P
anna_emc: the only one you know ?
anna know also
some song by bob dylan
like knockin on heavens door
anna_emc James Brown
james brown I dancing
Jymmm: nah.. james brown its a strong voice
Jacky^ It's a joke =)
Home di buble!
ah Mike buble'. yeah ..
anna_emc: in wich room are you ?
i cant find you
Jacky^ lojacked anna_emc! lol
Jymmm: install paltalk !
its funny :P
jacky and anna ran off to paltalk?
les: great singer :P
you or anna?
join chat tranquilla
aw I have to work....
ah its ok ..
I have too many contracts
you can listen during the work ;)
like a radio
I have it but I am not signed up so I only get voice in a few channels
let me check
cchannel chat tranquilla
anna_emc: is waiting to sing
* alex_joni sings himself a lullaby
g night alex_joni
what'd I msis?
g'night billy joey bob
well, I haven't been watching
* alex_joni is going to bed
ok in tranquilla
neither have i =)
jepler: thanks for the tip
seems the store you said is the best of them
catch you later alex
didn't find a reliable store with a lower price :(
alex_joni: jepler is good for advice, but if you convince him HE needs a new camera, you can do even better.
jepler: you might need a 350D too ;)
it's a lot better than the 300D
a lot faster :D
0.2 sec power-on time
the 300 does ages compared to that ;;)
les: anna_emc is anna sotto le stelle :)
power on time of D70 == as fast as I can flip the switch
yeah.. for you that's about 2 minutes
I finish my easy program for acces lpt http://www.webalice.it/bosone77/lptreg.htm
right jacky...who are you on paltalk?
anna_emc: wahy 4 ?
losted step ?
anna_emc: you was 2nd !
* Jacky^ mute ..
the voice its ok
the sound level seem low..
anna_emc: you need to increase the midi level
just a little
clap clap anna_emc :)
napul�' (naples is ..)
very nice anna
she wont sing Image J. Lennon ..
where would i find a list of G-code commands
AchiestDragon: in linuxcnc i think ..
on the wiki I think
or the handbook
also in the handbook
[22:44:19] <Jymmm> http://linuxcnc.org/handbook/RS274NGC_3/RS274NGC_3TOC.html
damn gcode ..
artcam have something like 125 different types of gcode file output :\
ok finding info for a brl-cad import /export converter
EXCELLENT! These numpads should work out nicely!!!
ok about time for work to stop today
guess I will drop $5k+ on autop change spindle
seems to make the most sense
hope emc interface will not be too big a deal
Sounds good to me.
Shouldn't. Just build a tool holding carousel or slider or such that you can
I considered palletizing the work...but that would be significantly slower
position to the tool-in-spindle raise up z and move to new tool.
I have much, much more work than I can do right now...so ATC makes sense
of course as soon as I get it it will all dry up haha
Right. I've done that.
we all have I suspect
hey....when I started my business the world economy immediately collapsed
yep file the papers and listen to the giant flushing sound.
well...6:08...Think I will go and power down the shop
hour earlier for you ray, but still brat/beer time
must be cooling off up there
catch you later.
Yes it is, frost these nights.
[23:35:43] <AchiestDragon> http://www.neat.com/techinfo/pdf\MDM7manual.pdf
thease any good ?
hello rayh :)
How you doing today?
rayh: nice :)
how's the project
learning a little bit more about emc2 :)
playmg around emc2
its very nice
Good. We'll need you for the mazak completion.
mazak ? i've no idea..
There is some stuff on the wiki about it.
i just seen something looking in the /emc dir
rayh: nice, i will look
and you ?
all ok ?
Yep. Had a bit of a problem with my surfing box today but getting it back.
using bdi-4.29 for the base.
i read a bit ..
xchat should be nice
I used and liked it. The last one I ran had a font problem.
I use Linux coyote to share adsl connection
lost the last couple of characters in the line
ah. That sounds good.
oh .. you maybe need to install true type fonts
rayh: I love irssi as irc client
but it took 1 mounth before get it up and running :\
tried true type but the just didn't live with xchat.
for you maybe its simple, since you can read well english language
no doubt my problem.
i remember something about small fonts and xchat
its a little bit hard ..
rayh: take alook to my irc client here: http://irssi.org/
It's a quick setup to use
i like it because is such bitchx
it can run also from console
without X server
[23:50:05] <Jacky^> http://irssi.org/?page=themes
i can send you the ini file.. to connect freenode with autojoin in emc
if you need
sounds like a nice reader.
of course, if you like the keyboard
* rayh puts irssi on the todo list.
to switch in a channel it use alt+1-2-3-4 etc ..
I barely get onto one channel with my dialup.
:( understood ..
rayh: anyway, if you want to try irssi
[23:59:17] <Jacky^> http://rafb.net/paste/results/plHPLN95.html
this is my ini file
autojoin to emc