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[00:00:02] <paul_c> not if you implement sim entirely in usr space.
[00:02:23] <zwelch> well, you might.. they'd just be loadable .so's (think of things like GIMP plug-ins)
[00:03:05] <paul_c> right, but .so is still usr space.
[00:06:10] <alex_joni> * alex_joni calls it a night
[00:06:26] <alex_joni> night guys.. will read the logs tomorrow
[00:07:19] <robin_sz> likewise, a most interesting discussion. be interesting to see where it leads.
[00:08:36] <paul_c> So who is left ?
[00:10:22] <Jymmm> nobody home
[00:10:48] <cradek> not me either
[00:11:18] <jmkasunich> sorry, side conversation going on
[00:11:38] <paul_c> zwelch & jmkasunich: Bring it back here....
[00:12:21] <zwelch> * zwelch giggles
[01:14:53] <paul_c> oh well... guess the conversation has either ended or gone underground.
[01:15:34] <jmkasunich> mostly ended, the underground part has shifted topic to no longer even remotely resemble the original, mostly just talk now
[01:17:03] <paul_c> well... unless there is anything else to discuss, I'm off to bed.
[01:17:26] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[01:17:36] <paul_c> humph
[01:17:43] <paul_c> ;-)
[01:19:00] <zwelch> * zwelch waves to paul_c
[01:23:59] <paul_c> * paul_c gone ->
[01:29:36] <Jacky^> g night all
[01:32:14] <_AchiestDragon> _AchiestDragon is now known as AchiestDragon
[05:46:44] <Jymmm> anyone remember the gcode link?
[07:04:55] <LawrenceG> Jymmm, hey
[07:05:10] <Jymmm> whats happening LawrenceG?
[07:05:57] <LawrenceG> not too much.... trying to get audio recording working on my laptop... after all day digging, I find out it record is not supported in the alsa driver {
[07:06:31] <Jymmm> nix?
[07:06:38] <LawrenceG> yup
[07:06:43] <Jymmm> bummer
[07:07:18] <LawrenceG> cant believe it.... had it running in earlier kernels like rh 8, but that was the oss drivers
[07:07:30] <Jymmm> can you revert back?
[07:08:19] <LawrenceG> sure.... I still have rh8 distro disks and another laptop the same running it.... was hoping to modernize..
[07:08:30] <ValarQ> you can still use oss with the newest kernels
[07:08:49] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: ah, ok
[07:09:31] <LawrenceG> It cant be that bad to port the recording logic from oss to alsa... its a Toshiba laptop... must be a lot of them around
[07:09:46] <Jymmm> LawrenceG nope, only yours
[07:10:38] <LawrenceG> I know of 4 in this town.... 2 running linux.... (rh8 and unbuntu breezy 5.10)
[07:10:48] <Jymmm> lies, all lies
[07:11:19] <LawrenceG> maybe I will look at oss again
[07:11:21] <ValarQ> oh, he lives in a town
[07:11:43] <Jymmm> a village actually.... on an island.... an island made out of ice
[07:11:53] <LawrenceG> boonies off the west coast... a rather large island
[07:11:57] <ValarQ> ice?
[07:12:07] <LawrenceG> no global warming here
[07:12:08] <Jymmm> ValarQ (iceberg)
[07:12:34] <LawrenceG> no ice here either
[07:12:49] <ValarQ> Jymmm: what? he lives on greenland?
[07:12:50] <Jymmm> LawrenceG your cold heart freexes it =)
[07:13:08] <Jymmm> ValarQ no, sorta floats around it as the currents take him =)
[07:13:15] <LawrenceG> who is running galil msa 1280 servo drives?
[07:13:40] <ValarQ> Jymmm: heh
[07:14:01] <Jymmm> * Jymmm points to LawrenceG
[07:14:21] <LawrenceG> I have a chance to pick up a couple and I forget who on the list was running them
[07:14:55] <LawrenceG> 12 amp 80volt drives....
[07:15:26] <Jymmm> somebody just ordered them
[07:15:37] <Jymmm> in germany
[07:16:09] <Jymmm> so if you can search the logs for .de nicks you'll know
[07:16:27] <LawrenceG> it might have been imperator
[07:16:47] <Jymmm> yeah, that's who
[07:16:49] <LawrenceG> he also has the mesa card
[07:18:15] <Jymmm> LawrenceG he's making a breakout board right now
[07:18:21] <Jymmm> for it
[07:18:35] <Jymmm> maybe open source design
[07:18:41] <Jymmm> he hasn't decided yet.
[07:19:58] <LawrenceG> yes, he sent me the board files... I am still trying to decide to build or buy servo amps
[07:22:35] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[07:22:50] <Jymmm> This PGM graphics format is pretty fucking cool.
[07:23:00] <Jymmm> can be text edited
[07:23:23] <LawrenceG> are you cutting signs with your new router?
[07:24:01] <Jymmm> I finally got a first test done today, 2nd one screwed up and skipped steps - about 1/2" worht
[07:27:39] <Jymmm> LawrenceG this looks interesting
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:nHm2CsZU8mwJ:www.a1digitalart.com/pictures1.htm+imagecarve&hl=en
[07:27:59] <LawrenceG> * LawrenceG looking
[07:31:57] <LawrenceG> nice pics.... the stain and sanding do a good job of raising the detail
[07:34:51] <Jymmm> $350 for the program
[07:35:35] <LawrenceG> too much!!!!, cradek has a freebee on his site... I have also played with several versions... not hard to code on up
[07:36:05] <Jymmm> have you played with chris' yet?
[07:36:31] <LawrenceG> no... but will have to add it to the list of projects
[07:37:09] <LawrenceG> everyone needs a goofy sign with their picture and name for the office door!
[07:38:22] <LawrenceG> The embose mode in gimp would be good for enhancing pictures... have you played with that?
[07:38:48] <Jymmm> no, not yet.
[07:43:25] <LawrenceG> want me to send you an example?
[07:44:32] <Jymmm> a machined sample or a gimp sample?
[07:44:38] <LawrenceG> gimp
[07:44:52] <LawrenceG> a couple of jpgs
[07:44:55] <Jymmm> nah, I know what embossed is/does, not the best method.
[07:45:20] <Jymmm> high contrast greyscale works well
[07:45:43] <Jymmm> (I did some playing around with a laser enrgracer doing pics)
[07:45:47] <Jymmm> engraver
[07:46:07] <LawrenceG> yep... thats the trick... getting the picture reduced to the right level of grayscales
[07:47:23] <Jymmm> =)
[07:50:31] <Jymmm> G'Night Folks!
[09:36:14] <A_Guy> hey all
[11:27:30] <Jacky^> morning
[11:41:55] <anonimasu> morning
[11:44:14] <Jacky^> hey anonimasu :)
[12:28:06] <A_Guy> * A_Guy slaps Jacky^ around a bit with a large trout
[12:28:35] <Jacky^> eh.. A_Guy :)
[12:28:51] <A_Guy> hey there
[12:29:37] <Jacky^> what are yu doing today ? :P
[12:30:52] <Jacky^> fishing ? :D
[12:31:22] <alex_joni> 'lo guys
[12:31:37] <Jacky^> morning alex_joni
[12:32:13] <Jacky^> alex_joni: launch pause ?
[12:32:18] <alex_joni> I wish
[12:33:10] <Jacky^> alex_joni: i'm looking at master_lut in stepgen.c ..
[12:33:31] <Jacky^> what are the strange nembers 1,3,2,0 etc .. ?
[12:33:37] <Jacky^> numbers*
[12:34:54] <Jacky^> they should be sequence table for any step type
[12:35:15] <Jacky^> but cant understand how they are retrived from a table ..
[12:39:50] <alex_joni> look at the begining of the document
[12:39:56] <alex_joni> State Phase A Phase B
[12:39:56] <alex_joni> 0 1 0
[12:39:56] <alex_joni> 1 1 1
[12:39:56] <alex_joni> 2 0 1
[12:39:56] <alex_joni> 3 0 0
[13:17:15] <les> hello all
[13:27:33] <alex_joni> hi paul
[13:27:39] <alex_joni> hey les
[13:27:41] <paul_c> Yo Alex
[13:28:05] <paul_c> libnml now under 195K
[13:28:45] <alex_joni> coo
[13:28:48] <alex_joni> .so?
[13:29:18] <paul_c> libnml.so.0
[13:30:08] <paul_c> tip: Don't run strip on a library when there is an app running that uses it..
[13:31:11] <alex_joni> lol
[13:31:14] <alex_joni> really?
[13:31:15] <alex_joni> :D
[13:31:52] <paul_c> segfaults galore ;)
[13:33:21] <jepler> "strip" changes the library inplace? I didn't know that.
[13:37:01] <paul_c> Neither did I until I saw it.
[13:37:19] <alex_joni> well.. at first he didn't know what happened ;)
[13:37:23] <alex_joni> till he figured it out
[13:38:36] <paul_c> It wasn't that hard to figure out... Run generic.run & strip --strip--unneeded lib*
[13:47:31] <Jacky^> damn dsl !
[14:19:32] <CIA-8> 03one 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/two: File changed. New revision:three
[14:37:39] <bosone> hi all, please see my work at
http://www.webalice.it/bosone77/ . It' in embrional test stage,now i need to use the parallel port epp mode for test the interface. Is this the right way for lpt acces in bdi 4.27 ? :
http://www.aero.polimi.it/~rtai/documentation/articles/guide.html
[14:40:57] <jepler> looks interesting but I'm afraid it's over my head.
[14:41:27] <jepler> I don't think EMC uses epp mode, certainly not for the stepper setups I'm familiar with
[14:42:18] <paul_c> Only Jon Elson's ppmc drivers use bi-directional transfers
[14:42:44] <bosone> yes, whot i wont
[14:43:33] <bosone> epp not imply dma or other realtime problem
[14:43:44] <bosone> right?
[14:44:02] <bosone> not as ecp
[14:45:05] <paul_c> really don't know - Only ever done simple bit-banging on serial ports..
[14:46:05] <jepler> I'm looking at that 'beyondlogic' page, and it sure sounds like there's no DMA on the PC side
[14:47:03] <bosone> http://www.beyondlogic.org/epp/epp.htm#8 the only difference is on read/write on base register +3 & +4 the hardware make the rest
[14:48:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[14:48:48] <alex_joni> bosone: only ecp uses DMA afaik
[14:48:53] <alex_joni> epp doesn't
[14:49:03] <alex_joni> but you still need to address $LPT+0x400 ports
[14:49:08] <alex_joni> to configure it properly
[14:49:27] <alex_joni> and you have a buffer there if my memory serves me right (a few years since I touched this)
[14:49:55] <jepler> bosone: first try running it from userspace, then tackle getting emc to run it from realtime.
[14:50:33] <bosone> in the future i'd like to put voltage output of emc direct to the pwm generator, and read the encoder count (delta encoder count), in this way the encoder can speed 100 time faster
[14:52:26] <bosone> and if reach 0 or 255 the count stop and emc must send follow error
[14:53:34] <bosone> or better -127 +127
[15:01:44] <jepler> is it because you're using a very small device that you can't have 16-bit counts?
[15:02:09] <jepler> from that beyondlogic page it looks like there is some kind of support for transferring 16- or 32-bit values with epp
[15:10:38] <bosone> yes, is for my small device, the idea is to make a parametrized verilog file for bus width and number of axis
[15:13:13] <bosone> the emc drivers too by ini file
[17:46:27] <Jymmm> yo folks
[17:59:41] <Jymmm> sucker skipped/jumped steps on me yesterday; about 1/2" worth. Was only doing 40IPM too.
[18:00:08] <les> hi jymmm
[18:01:06] <les> ordering some stuff to get a small aluminum anodizing operation here
[18:01:33] <les> multicolor...black , red, green, blue, gold
[18:03:11] <cradek> les: that sounds slick
[18:03:21] <cradek> les: are there lots of toxic chemicals?
[18:09:01] <Jymmm> les gonna do wood anodizing too?
[18:19:23] <AchiestDragon> http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize99.html
[18:20:35] <AchiestDragon> not shure of the the deox /desmut thay thay use but normaly its sulpuric acid
[18:21:40] <AchiestDragon> car battory acid dose the trick also
[18:24:29] <AchiestDragon> would think about having a go but i dont want to have the cemicals arround the place with the young one into everything atm
[18:29:02] <paul_c> \o/ 186K
[18:30:03] <Jymmm> AchiestDragon That's what a chemical storage cabinet is all about...
http://www.sepmar-firex.com.au/images/cabinet2.jpg
[18:30:40] <Jymmm> paul_c what are you mumbling about?
[18:30:55] <paul_c> I'll explain after tea.
[18:31:15] <Jymmm> ok
[18:32:07] <AchiestDragon> Jymmm: wont be just for storage , it would need it for when i use also
[18:32:32] <Jymmm> so the kid cant stay out of the shop/garage?
[18:32:46] <AchiestDragon> would need a big cabinate like a shead
[18:34:27] <AchiestDragon> lol dont have a shop or garage and a sutable sheed is still 12months away
[18:34:52] <Jymmm> What.... tents are cheap enough?! lol
[18:35:17] <Jymmm> find one of those WWII surplus canvas tents
[18:35:36] <Jymmm> thos suckers are HUGE!
[18:36:49] <mrallen> aargh. i've run the same part three times and each time it's crashed in a different way
[18:37:02] <AchiestDragon> well got room just for a 8' * 6' shead if i can get planning for it
[18:37:22] <mrallen> the thing in common is that each time it appears as though one of the axis has reset to 0
[18:37:27] <Jymmm> AchiestDragon here permits are only needed if > 120 sqft
[18:38:00] <mrallen> cradek: any possibility this is axis -- shall i run it a fourth time in mini?
[18:39:05] <mrallen> paul_c: i haven't had a successful run since the upgrade. any known bugs in what i'm running and should i upgrade again?
[18:40:23] <AchiestDragon> its a rented property so have to get the landlords permition , and may be moving to somewhere bigger in the next 1 to 2 years
[18:40:36] <Jymmm> AchiestDragon ah, ok.
[18:43:16] <AchiestDragon> so i know i need a shead but if i get one it would have to be easy to move it later , and because of some planning restrictions i would not be able to do a perfered option of having a 20'container for a workshop
[18:49:22] <Jymmm> AchiestDragon put siding on it =)
[18:51:15] <AchiestDragon> just found some 10' ones :)
http://www.usedcontainer.co.uk/royalwolf/containers/midlands/detail.asp?ID=25 but bit expencive , can get a good 20' one for £600 ish
[18:51:39] <Jymmm> whats the restriction specifically?
[18:53:08] <AchiestDragon> about the genaral look of sheads , that need to be in keeping with the look of the aria
[18:53:55] <Jymmm> AchiestDragon: Ok, like I said, put siding on it. Easily paint up to look like anything.
[18:54:03] <AchiestDragon> how much would craine hire be , would need to have it lifted into the back garden over the house roof
[18:56:11] <Jymmm> Anyone have an idea what tooling could have been used to cut the harley logo?
http://members.aol.com/q9685123/M4.htm
[19:02:10] <les> a small round nose tool jymmm
[19:02:38] <les> oh and cradek I will order this kit:
[19:02:52] <les> http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize99.html
[19:03:39] <les> tirns out anodizing is pretty easy....uses battery acid from NAPA, a dc supply, and some dyes
[19:03:53] <Jymmm> les would that be a ballnose ?
[19:03:58] <les> yeah
[19:04:58] <les> ...customer wants red anodize on a tool prototype
[19:05:05] <les> should be fun.
[19:07:32] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I would have never thought that. I bought a 1/4" 3 flute ballnose too -
http://sgstool.com/pdfs/fractional_individuals/series5B.pdf
[19:08:53] <Jymmm> les You should find a way to do this -->
http://www.metalfinishes.com/products.htm
[19:09:55] <AchiestDragon> les: i saw another site about someone doing it from home it had lots of hints and tips about getting temps right etc , but dont have link for it , i googled for it originaly
[19:10:27] <les> I just joined the anodizing yahoo group
[19:12:35] <les> jymmm, we have some pretty good leafing mettallic finishes. Also One of my guys is an expert guilder.
[19:13:18] <les> I just want to get dome plating and anodising capability for engineering prototypes
[19:13:40] <Jymmm> http://www.caswellplating.com/
[19:13:51] <les> electroless nickel, anodize, parkerize, etc
[19:14:00] <les> oh and good black oxide
[19:14:29] <les> right I am ordering from caswell too
[19:14:57] <Jymmm> les get the rainbow goin -->
http://partners.drivewerks.com/catalog/images/tools2003/MAG-K3ACV2E.jpg
[19:15:15] <Jymmm> I love the gradiant anodizing
[19:15:52] <les> Yeah I have been reading about that
[19:16:26] <Jymmm> les back to that harley logo and ballnose... Not the best photo, but the bottoms look awefully flat... seems like a LOT of passes with a ballnose alone.
[19:16:48] <les> it's really slow
[19:16:51] <les> too slow
[19:17:06] <les> like the guy that does topo maps...
[19:17:16] <les> I can too, but it takes hours
[19:17:44] <Jymmm> les what about a 1/2" router bit to get the meat out, then a ballnose?
[19:17:50] <les> raster scanning rarely pays
[19:18:11] <Jymmm> les let me find one of the topos I saw the other day...
[19:18:15] <les> I did that with that eagle I showed you...it helps some
[19:18:45] <Jymmm> les
http://www.peasley.com/topo_carvings.htm
[19:18:51] <les> an hour per square foot is common
[19:19:11] <les> yeah...notice he is giving it up too....
[19:19:51] <Jymmm> Yeah I saw that.
[19:20:16] <les> 3-d v-carving is the best way to make money with signs
[19:20:31] <les> fast cut...easy finish
[19:22:01] <cradek> mrallen: I did not see your description of the problem
[19:22:45] <Jymmm> les 1/2" 90 deg bit for this???
http://www.peasley.com/harley_sign.htm
[19:24:22] <jepler> 12:13:49 <mrallen> aargh. i've run the same part three times and each time it's crashed in a different way
[19:24:25] <jepler> 12:14:21 <mrallen> the thing in common is that each time it appears as though one of the axis has reset to 0
[19:24:28] <jepler> cradek: ^^^
[19:24:33] <cradek> ouch
[19:24:51] <cradek> is it bdi?
[19:28:25] <mrallen> cradek: yes with upgrades from apt
[19:28:43] <cradek> mrallen: you get no errors on stdout or anything?
[19:28:48] <mrallen> nope
[19:28:54] <cradek> mrallen: this is freqmod driving steppers?
[19:29:07] <mrallen> afaik
[19:29:11] <jepler> mrallen: if it's older than 4.29, did you run this command as part of the updates: apt-get install --reinstall emc-modules-2.6.10-adeos
[19:29:46] <jepler> (see
http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/01127012306; I don't know why the --reinstall is necessary)
[19:30:08] <mrallen> jepler: how do i know what version i'm running
[19:30:22] <mrallen> was bdi that came with sherline --- paul_c upgraded it for me
[19:31:41] <jepler> I'm not sure how to check the bdi version. trying that apt-get commandline shouldn't hurt anything if it's already been done
[19:32:03] <cradek> I'm going to boot my bdi box
[19:32:17] <jepler> another symptom of the problem that apt-get command cures is that you might see incorrect lines in the preview plot that go to the lower left corner of the window. Are you seeing that?
[19:32:19] <mrallen> emc says 1.027 from apt-cache showpkg
[19:32:57] <mrallen> i see no viusal artifacts in axis or mini -- i've been running axis, now i'm re-running the problem piece in mini
[19:33:10] <mrallen> emc-modules is 2.6.10-adeos
[19:33:12] <jepler> can you check the version of emc-modules-2.6.10-adeos? It should be "bdi.92" or newer, I'm guessing
[19:33:27] <jepler> I mean, when I did the apt-get install --reinstall it printed " Setting up emc-modules-2.6.10-adeos (+bdi.92) ..."
[19:33:28] <cradek> mrallen: does the preview plot in axis flash or flicker?
[19:34:01] <cradek> mrallen: could you send me the program file?
[19:34:24] <mrallen> cradek: yes
[19:34:32] <mrallen> it flickers
[19:34:53] <cradek> I bet you have the emc FP bug then
[19:35:11] <cradek> I think we saw flickering once
[19:35:16] <paul_c> * paul_c returns from tea.
[19:35:21] <cradek> it should look smooth - just the cone moves, leaving the red line
[19:35:51] <mrallen> cradek: what bug is this? is there a cure? do you still want the file?
[19:36:34] <cradek> mrallen: it was a bug in the bdi version of emc that paul has now found and fixed
[19:36:38] <mrallen> cradek: also seem to notice that manual control in axis is not as smooth as mini. it has slightly perceptible hiccups (like a timing bug) when doing linear movement
[19:36:50] <mrallen> manual control only
[19:37:19] <cradek> hiccups that you hear (in the steppers) or visually on the screen?
[19:37:36] <mrallen> hear in the steppers
[19:37:39] <cradek> ouch
[19:37:49] <cradek> you need to get updated
[19:37:49] <mrallen> also, would the FP bug cause it to reset an axis on occassion?
[19:37:56] <cradek> maybe.
[19:37:58] <jepler> we don't know all the things the FP bug could affect
[19:38:01] <mrallen> what's my update command -- from above?
[19:38:07] <jepler> apt-get install --reinstall emc-modules-2.6.10-adeos
[19:38:19] <mrallen> just in the modules? not emc?
[19:38:53] <paul_c> apt-get update
[19:38:54] <jepler> basically, the FP bug could allow some value in a CPU register to get trashed, so that the final result of the calculation is NaN ("not a number") instead of the correct value
[19:39:04] <paul_c> apt-get install emc
[19:39:21] <paul_c> apt-get --reinstall -emc-modules-2.6.10-adeos
[19:39:32] <mrallen> ok. will do and run the job again
[19:40:11] <cradek> paul and jepler's commands don't match - which is right?
[19:40:39] <paul_c> apt-get install --reinstall emc-modules-2.6.10-adeos
[19:44:55] <cradek> paul_c: will this also give him any needed update of axis?
[19:45:13] <mrallen> the modules were not downloaded from an apt repository ... how does this fix anything?
[19:46:20] <mrallen> it seems to have re-install what was already there
[19:46:47] <paul_c> Can you check /usr/share/doc/emc-modules-2.6.10-adeos/changelog.Debian - It should say (1.0-29) on the top line
[19:47:17] <mrallen> paul_c: nope. 1.0-27
[19:47:24] <mrallen> and this was after i ran the re-install
[19:48:41] <paul_c> are any of the updates repositories listed in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[19:51:04] <mrallen> paul_c: my repo which is mirrored from yours
[19:52:49] <mrallen> but when i do the reinstall, it do not see it hit the repo
[19:54:19] <paul_c> any chance of logging in via ssh and taking a look ?
[19:56:41] <mrallen> it's ready
[19:59:19] <paul_c> by the looks of it, you hadn't done a "apt-get update" first..
[20:00:06] <mrallen> paul_c: maybe i got update/upgrade confused. it wanted to upgrade/update 300+ packages
[20:00:18] <mrallen> i come the from redhat/fedora world, so apt is a little unfamiliar to me
[20:00:26] <cradek> me too me too
[20:00:58] <paul_c> update refreshes the list of available packages.
[20:01:27] <mrallen> that explains a little -- i take it i'm upgraded
[20:01:59] <alex_joni> hi guys
[20:02:01] <mrallen> i ran out of wax. i'll have to wait for a new bit to show up before i can run this again.
[20:02:27] <paul_c> upgrade will install the latest packages available - Unless done with care, it can break the system.
[20:02:31] <cradek> mrallen: you could cut air and see if you end up in the same place when you're done
[20:02:50] <cradek> mrallen: you can also check for jog sounding right, and the flickering should be gone
[20:02:56] <mrallen> paul_c: thanks.
[20:02:58] <mrallen> cradke: will do
[20:03:15] <mrallen> paul_c: i'm rebooting the system now if that's ok
[20:03:37] <paul_c> No need to
[20:03:58] <mrallen> paul_c: ok then
[20:03:59] <paul_c> Only need to reboot if you install a new kernel image.
[20:04:17] <paul_c> or you're running Windows.
[20:04:25] <alex_joni> and you moved the mouse
[20:06:21] <paul_c> alex_joni: I'll have you know I have a Windows box here - Been faultless for over two years now...
[20:06:39] <paul_c> never had a virus, never needed rebooting.
[20:07:08] <alex_joni> a windows box?
[20:07:16] <alex_joni> as in original packed on the shelf?
[20:07:37] <paul_c> As in a Dell Optiplex running 98
[20:07:44] <Jymmm> paul_c: Yes, but does it actually have power connected to it?
[20:07:59] <paul_c> Jymmm: what do you think ?
[20:08:03] <Jymmm> no
[20:08:11] <alex_joni> I actually think 98 was a good OS
[20:08:12] <paul_c> ;-)
[20:08:15] <cradek> paul_c: will mrallen get the axis update?
[20:08:22] <alex_joni> better than XP ;)
[20:08:33] <alex_joni> a lot more unsecure.. but off the net, pretty ok
[20:08:34] <Jymmm> actually if you DONT install any M$ software on a M$ OS they work well
[20:08:48] <paul_c> mrallen has been updated to the current emc & axis
[20:08:51] <Jymmm> including upgrading IE or installing Office
[20:09:03] <cradek> paul_c: thanks
[20:09:34] <les> chris I just ordered that anodize kit...can do splash and gradient colors...
[20:09:42] <les> should be neat to try
[20:09:55] <Jymmm> les will send my parts to you fedex
[20:10:04] <les> haha
[20:10:16] <Jymmm> les I'll expect them back in my hands by wednesday
[20:10:23] <cradek> les: gradient anodizing? I've never even seen that
[20:10:37] <Jymmm> cradek google maglite nascar
[20:10:42] <les> yeah fade from one color to another
[20:10:49] <les> might have pictures...
[20:10:50] <cradek> les: are you going to do small jobs for folks?
[20:11:23] <Jymmm> cradek
http://partners.drivewerks.com/catalog/images/tools2003/MAG-K3ACV2E.jpg
[20:11:41] <cradek> ARGH, MY EYES!
[20:11:47] <les> I have a prototype tool where the customer requested anodize
[20:11:50] <les> http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize99.html
[20:12:08] <les> I talked to the guy on the phone for a while just now
[20:13:00] <les> should really dress up my engineering prototypes
[20:13:09] <cradek> looks really cool
[20:13:12] <les> yeah
[20:13:13] <xet7> Has emc deb repository changed? Problems connecting to it...
[20:13:14] <mrallen> paul_c, cradek: axis bettter behaved now -- no flicker, no hiccups in stepping
[20:13:42] <cradek> yay
[20:13:46] <cradek> I bet you're fixed now
[20:14:03] <cradek> that was an evil bug that made everything that used floating point untrustworthy
[20:14:04] <paul_c> xet7: What URL are you using ?
[20:14:16] <Jymmm> les Better watch it, they're gonna think your baking bombs!
[20:14:27] <les> heh
[20:14:46] <xet7> http://mirrors.neuron.com/emc-bdi/apt/
[20:15:11] <mrallen> xet7: i run that machine.. i'm watching others use it now
[20:15:50] <paul_c> xet7: Used it a few minutes ago.
[20:15:56] <Jymmm> les Especially when you order 500 pounds of ammonium sulfate for your golf track
[20:16:07] <xet7> ok I'll try again
[20:16:17] <Jymmm> les 100 gallons of diesel for the tractor
[20:16:29] <Jacky^> damn dsl again !
[20:16:36] <Jymmm> les : and now sulfuric acid for the anodizing
[20:16:43] <Jacky^> hi
[20:17:08] <Jymmm> les : When you order the NiChrome for the kiln, you'll be screwed
[20:17:21] <les> kiln?
[20:17:23] <les> ha
[20:17:31] <les> solar.
[20:17:35] <Jymmm> les well, it's the only thing you haven't gotten into yet =)
[20:17:40] <les> that's a wood kiln.
[20:17:50] <Jymmm> 1600 F ?
[20:17:58] <les> heh...150
[20:18:12] <les> although...I could sure use a heat treat oven
[20:18:13] <Jymmm> bah.... can't fire silver clay with that
[20:18:25] <Jymmm> les <----- terrorist!
[20:18:30] <les> heh
[20:18:33] <Jymmm> lol
[20:19:05] <Jymmm> * Jymmm ponders why does everything lead to the products in making bombs?
[20:19:07] <xet7> ok it was webersys that didn't work, commented out it's line. Others seem to work fine, misread it...
[20:19:33] <Jacky^> al kqemcia ?
[20:19:43] <les> I have lots of ammonium nitrate, but I put it on the grass.
[20:21:39] <xet7> has there been updates to kernel 2.6.12.6-magma? it freezed my laptop when starting emc, that's why I'm still using kernel 2.6.10-adeos.
[20:22:29] <Jacky^> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.12.6-magma
[20:22:41] <Jacky^> on cely 800 mhz
[20:23:00] <paul_c> No updates to the 2.6.12.6-magma kernel.
[20:23:45] <Jacky^> xet7: probably, the best way is to kompile from source, i you know well youre HW
[20:23:47] <paul_c> the emc-modules have been updated for both the 2.6.10 and 2.6.12.6 kernels though.
[20:24:32] <Jacky^> i haved also some issue starting debian on a laptop 10 ", for the video card ..
[20:25:54] <Jacky^> this is my first day playng around emc2 ..
[20:26:01] <Jacky^> i've some issue
[20:26:09] <Jacky^> localhost:/home/james/emc2# insmod rtlib/freqgen.ko cfg="0 0"
[20:26:14] <Jacky^> insmod: error inserting 'rtlib/freqgen.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[20:26:18] <Jacky^> :\
[20:26:40] <alex_joni> did you insmod rtapi first?
[20:26:50] <alex_joni> and hal_lib ?
[20:26:55] <Jacky^> mmhh
[20:27:45] <Jacky^> i did localhost:/home/james/emc2# sh scripts/realtime start
[20:27:57] <Jacky^> and after i tried to insmod the module
[20:28:03] <paul_c> what does dmesg reveal ?
[20:28:30] <Jacky^> if i do insmod rtlib/freqgen.ko cfg="0" it work an load the module
[20:28:38] <Jacky^> not with "0 0"
[20:29:15] <Jacky^> RTAI, RTAPI seem are ok in dmesg
[20:29:36] <Jacky^> ive a lot of [12943.038280] freqgen: Unknown parameter `0'
[20:30:05] <alex_joni> * alex_joni remembers this problem
[20:30:21] <alex_joni> it was related to a bug in rtai
[20:30:41] <alex_joni> but I thought that got fixed
[20:30:47] <xet7> what is newest emc version?
[20:30:49] <Jacky^> probably i jumped something compiling emc2 too ..
[20:30:52] <alex_joni> Jacky^: does emc2 run properly?
[20:30:59] <paul_c> but Jacky^ is running a recent 2.6.12 kernel.
[20:31:01] <Jacky^> alex_joni: the gui run ok
[20:31:15] <Jacky^> today a played with halmeter halscope too
[20:31:35] <xet7> is emc 1.0-29 newest?
[20:31:36] <alex_joni> ok.. so tkemc runs
[20:31:37] <Jacky^> i stopped in the second example..
[20:31:43] <Jacky^> alex_joni: yes
[20:31:48] <alex_joni> xet7: Jacky^ is running emc2 not emc1
[20:31:57] <xet7> yes I know
[20:32:11] <alex_joni> Jacky^: ok, can you post the output from dmesg after the module insmod fails ?
[20:32:22] <Jacky^> sure
[20:35:19] <Jacky^> alex_joni:
http://rafb.net/paste/results/eUrSUz74.html
[20:35:38] <Jacky^> in dmesg section could be some old msg too ..
[20:35:43] <Jacky^> i'm not sue
[20:35:55] <Jacky^> but i paste the latest dmesg
[20:36:22] <alex_joni> * alex_joni looks
[20:37:29] <alex_joni> hmm.. strange
[20:37:36] <alex_joni> Jacky^: try cfg="0_0"
[20:37:58] <Jacky^> insmod: error inserting 'rtlib/freqgen.ko': -1 Operation not permitted
[20:38:05] <Jacky^> as root..
[20:38:18] <alex_joni> and tail /var/log/messages ?
[20:38:57] <Jacky^> Sep 26 21:14:50 localhost kernel: [13675.895019] FREQGEN: ERROR: bad stepping type '0_0'
[20:39:08] <alex_joni> ok
[20:39:14] <alex_joni> so that's not supported :(
[20:39:23] <alex_joni> did you try "1 1" ?
[20:39:43] <Jacky^> same thing ..
[20:39:51] <Jacky^> it only load with "0"
[20:40:39] <Jacky^> also tried to remove ""
[20:40:53] <Jacky^> and all values from 0 to 8
[20:41:10] <cradek> try cfg="\"0 0\"" ?
[20:41:23] <cradek> i.e. is it an insmod bug?
[20:41:37] <Jacky^> no idea..
[20:41:42] <cradek> or '"0 0"'
[20:41:48] <alex_joni> try `bin/halcmd loadrt freqgen cfg="0 0"`
[20:42:16] <Jacky^> insmod: error inserting '/home/james/emc2/rtlib/freqgen.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[20:42:19] <Jacky^> HAL: ERROR: insmod failed, returned 1
[20:42:31] <Jacky^> alex_joni: with your command..
[20:42:47] <cradek> oh is this a recent cvs head? There was some problem with log_something_or_other symbols
[20:42:59] <cradek> look in dmesg for the problem symbol
[20:43:33] <ValarQ> hmm, that cfg flag is a problem
[20:44:00] <Jacky^> just : [14024.157368] freqgen: Unknown parameter `0'
[20:44:08] <Jacky^> using "0 0"
[20:44:19] <cradek> I mean the "Unknown symbol in module" problem
[20:44:39] <Jacky^> cradek: no output about that in dmesg
[20:44:54] <Jacky^> i can look at other logs
[20:45:21] <Jacky^> the same..
[20:45:30] <Jacky^> in kern.log Sep 26 21:20:38 localhost kernel: [14024.157368] freqgen: Unknown parameter `0'
[20:45:49] <alex_joni> seems like cfg=0 0
[20:45:56] <alex_joni> is the way it gets transformed
[20:46:03] <alex_joni> try how cradek suggested
[20:46:05] <ValarQ> maybe it is an insmod bug...
[20:46:12] <alex_joni> cfg=\"0 0\"
[20:46:48] <Jacky^> insmod: error inserting 'rtlib/freqgen.ko': -1 Operation not permitted
[20:47:23] <Jacky^> i compiled source from CVS :\
[20:47:24] <alex_joni> and dmesg ?
[20:47:40] <Jacky^> oh .. dmesg changed something ..
[20:47:49] <Jacky^> [14199.162980] FREQGEN: ERROR: bad stepping type 'period=50000'
[20:48:05] <Jacky^> the command was: insmod rtlib/freqgen.ko cfg=\"0 0\ period=50000
[20:48:08] <alex_joni> try the insmod without the period
[20:48:16] <alex_joni> you missed a " there
[20:48:20] <Jacky^> ouch
[20:48:23] <Jacky^> loaded
[20:48:31] <alex_joni> insmod rtlib/freqgen.ko cfg=\"0 0\" period=50000
[20:48:33] <Jacky^> insmod rtlib/freqgen.ko cfg=\"0 0\
[20:48:36] <Jacky^> work
[20:48:38] <alex_joni> ok
[20:49:02] <Jacky^> can i set after the period ?
[20:49:08] <Jacky^> after loaded i mean
[20:49:12] <alex_joni> nope
[20:49:12] <cradek> I bet it's a bug in insmod
[20:49:19] <alex_joni> neither
[20:49:23] <alex_joni> cradek: it's bash ;)
[20:49:31] <alex_joni> it interprets the ""
[20:49:37] <alex_joni> and sends it without furtheron
[20:49:48] <cradek> yeah, it should, but those get passed as one argv to insmod
[20:49:49] <alex_joni> then insmod assigns the first 0 to cfg=
[20:49:59] <alex_joni> probably
[20:50:05] <Jacky^> damn.. i did not touch nothing ..
[20:50:10] <cradek> so I mean probably insmod messes it up after that
[20:50:12] <alex_joni> you broke it Jacky^
[20:50:12] <alex_joni> :D
[20:50:20] <alex_joni> Jacky^: just do insmod rtlib/freqgen.ko cfg=\"0 0\" period=50000
[20:50:44] <cradek> Kummerspeck is a German word which literally means grief bacon: it is the word that describes the excess weight gained from emotion-related overeating.
[20:50:48] <Jacky^> wait.. rmmod before..
[20:51:03] <cradek> is that true?
[20:51:06] <alex_joni> yes
[20:51:12] <Jacky^> aarggh
[20:51:13] <cradek> that's very funny
[20:51:19] <alex_joni> lol.. yeah ;)
[20:51:20] <Jacky^> localhost:/home/james/emc2# rtlib/freqgen.ko cfg=\"0 0\" period=50000
[20:51:21] <Jacky^> -bash: rtlib/freqgen.ko: Permission denied
[20:51:29] <Jacky^> as root
[20:51:30] <alex_joni> you're not root probably
[20:51:32] <alex_joni> hae?
[20:51:39] <Jacky^> damnit
[20:51:40] <Jacky^> localhost:/home/james/emc2#
[20:51:43] <alex_joni> restart realtime
[20:51:57] <Jacky^> :)
[20:51:58] <alex_joni> I think the thread is still there
[20:52:06] <alex_joni> it doesn't get removed with the module
[20:52:11] <alex_joni> I don't like that either
[20:52:46] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ sigh
[20:52:48] <Jacky^> nothing
[20:52:57] <Jacky^> localhost:/home/james/emc2# sh scripts/realtime restart
[20:53:05] <Jacky^> localhost:/home/james/emc2# rtlib/freqgen.ko cfg=\"0 0\" period=50000
[20:53:11] <Jacky^> bash: rtlib/freqgen.ko: Permission denied
[20:53:23] <Jacky^> i'm going to restart the pc ..
[20:53:38] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ take a big hammer
[20:54:41] <Jacky^> rebooting
[20:56:53] <bosone> hello :) someone can help me for a simple inb() /outb() program? when the program execute outb() it terminates with: segmentation fault. this is my code
http://www.webalice.it/bosone77/epptest.htm
[20:57:31] <Jacky^> bosone ciaoo
[20:57:47] <Jacky^> alex_joni: work ! after rebooted ..
[20:57:50] <bosone> ciao jacky
[20:57:55] <Jacky^> localhost:/home/james/emc2# insmod rtlib/freqgen.ko cfg=\"0 0\" period=50000
[20:57:56] <Jacky^> localhost:/home/james/emc2#
[20:58:30] <alex_joni> Jacky^: nice
[20:58:33] <Jacky^> localhost:/home/james/emc2# lsmod | grep freqgen
[20:58:33] <Jacky^> freqgen 7852 0
[20:58:33] <Jacky^> hal_lib 27660 1 freqgen
[20:58:34] <Jacky^> rtapi 27328 2 freqgen,hal_lib
[20:58:37] <Jacky^> :)
[20:58:41] <alex_joni> bosone: make sure you didn't mix port and value
[20:58:48] <alex_joni> it's the other way around than dos
[20:59:11] <bosone> ?
[20:59:26] <alex_joni> outb(port, value)
[20:59:31] <alex_joni> outb(value, port)
[20:59:45] <cradek> alex_joni: heh
[21:00:03] <alex_joni> * alex_joni had that a few times
[21:00:39] <Jacky^> alex_joni: to get pwm on parport
[21:01:04] <Jacky^> could I use stepgen, parport components ?
[21:01:12] <Jacky^> just for testing ..
[21:02:17] <alex_joni> sure
[21:02:30] <alex_joni> insmod parport, stepgen and connect those
[21:03:01] <Jacky^> no siggen need right ?
[21:03:03] <bosone> thanks alex! i'm very stupid programmer!
[21:03:09] <Jacky^> needed
[21:03:29] <alex_joni> bosone: don't think so ;)
[21:03:35] <Jacky^> bosone: youre not stupid! youre young :P
[21:03:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni did the same thing
[21:03:44] <alex_joni> a few times :D
[21:04:00] <alex_joni> cradek: see, you do learn from this :D
[21:04:04] <alex_joni> at least I did
[21:04:11] <anna_emc> hello alex
[21:04:15] <Jacky^> ciao anna_emc
[21:04:17] <alex_joni> this is all getting too italian in here
[21:04:19] <alex_joni> :D
[21:04:23] <alex_joni> hello anna_emc
[21:04:35] <anna_emc> hello bosoneeeee
[21:04:45] <Jacky^> :P
[21:05:24] <alex_joni> is bosone like padrone ?
[21:05:29] <bosone> hello anna!
[21:05:36] <Jacky^> alex_joni: nah ..
[21:05:56] <Jacky^> bosone is not in the italian dictionary
[21:06:02] <Jacky^> i suppose..
[21:06:08] <Jacky^> as word :)
[21:06:21] <bosone> No bosone is class of subnuclear particles
[21:06:21] <alex_joni> anyways..
[21:06:28] <Jacky^> haha
[21:06:40] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed :)
[21:06:48] <Jymmm> G'Night alex_joni
[21:06:50] <anna_emc> vado a cantare
[21:06:54] <anna_emc> un attimo
[21:06:55] <Jacky^> happy night alex_joni
[21:06:57] <alex_joni> maybe I'll get back later :)
[21:07:03] <bosone> g'night alex
[21:08:00] <alex_joni> anna_emc: che cosa cantate?
[21:08:28] <anna_emc> io canto musica italiana
[21:08:43] <anna_emc> il mio preferito � pino daniele
[21:08:47] <Jacky^> some anglish too... but lol
[21:08:55] <alex_joni> che genere?
[21:08:56] <Jacky^> eh anna_emc ??
[21:09:11] <anna_emc> sorry Jacky^
[21:09:13] <Jacky^> pino daniele blues,
[21:09:23] <Jacky^> anna_emc: kidding ..
[21:09:28] <alex_joni> pino daniele? non sentito mai.. :(
[21:09:35] <anna_emc> sigh :-(
[21:09:47] <anna_emc> baglioni the best
[21:09:56] <anna_emc> venditti
[21:09:57] <Jacky^> there some english part in Pino daniele song
[21:10:09] <Jacky^> like Yes I know my way ..
[21:10:23] <Jacky^> Pino Daniele is a great artist
[21:10:39] <Jacky^> he played with biggest artist around the world
[21:11:00] <Jacky^> with the best drummer too.. Billy Cobham
[21:11:02] <alex_joni> ok..
[21:11:06] <alex_joni> buona notte
[21:11:11] <Jacky^> notte ;)
[21:11:25] <alex_joni> my italian sux ;)
[21:11:30] <anna_emc> night
[21:11:31] <Jacky^> hehe
[21:11:43] <alex_joni> catch you later guys
[21:13:39] <Jacky^> http://www.pinodaniele.com/index.htm
[21:14:13] <Jacky^> anna_emc: the new album :P
[21:14:53] <anna_emc> wow
[21:17:06] <Jacky^> anna he will sing "It's Now or Never"
[21:17:06] <anna_emc> I'm very tired
[21:17:18] <Jacky^> time to learn something of english :D
[21:17:30] <Jacky^> tired to sing ?
[21:17:41] <anna_emc> tired stanca
[21:17:53] <Jacky^> why
[21:18:21] <Jacky^> few sleeping in the office time ? O_O
[21:18:24] <Jacky^> hehehe
[21:18:33] <Jacky^> kidding
[21:18:40] <anna_emc> because I working just 20
[21:18:54] <Jacky^> 20 hours working ?
[21:19:06] <anna_emc> no
[21:19:16] <Jacky^> :\
[21:19:22] <Jacky^> what ?
[21:19:28] <anna_emc> even
[21:19:37] <Jacky^> ah ..
[21:19:45] <Jacky^> not a prob ..
[21:19:50] <Jacky^> ]:)
[21:20:05] <Jacky^> i'm too
[21:20:26] <Jacky^> we all always working
[21:20:51] <Jacky^> so ..
[21:22:17] <Jacky^> i was thinking .. i like the emc2 concepts
[21:22:20] <Jymmm> * Jymmm waves to anna
[21:22:28] <anna_emc> why bad harmhead
[21:22:41] <anna_emc> harm head
[21:22:47] <Jacky^> why ? beacuse ..
[21:22:50] <Jacky^> not wahy
[21:22:54] <Jacky^> why !
[21:22:56] <Jacky^> lol
[21:23:00] <anna_emc> con
[21:23:08] <anna_emc> come cavolo si scrive
[21:23:12] <anna_emc> lollllll
[21:23:13] <Jacky^> ok, perch� si dice in due modi
[21:23:23] <Jacky^> if is a question you use why
[21:23:39] <Jacky^> otherwise, because
[21:23:46] <Jacky^> no ?
[21:23:56] <anna_emc> O-O
[21:24:01] <Jacky^> :)
[21:24:10] <Jymmm> O_o
[21:25:25] <Jacky^> Jymmm: planning how emc3 should work :)
[21:25:51] <Jymmm> I'm barely at emc1, much less 2 or 3
[21:25:58] <Jacky^> :)
[21:26:02] <anna_emc> I'm clumsy(greenhorn)
[21:26:37] <Jacky^> anna_emc: what are you using ? systray ?
[21:26:45] <Jacky^> or dictionary ?
[21:26:50] <anna_emc> yes
[21:26:56] <Jacky^> mmhh ..
[21:26:59] <anna_emc> big dictionary
[21:27:12] <anna_emc> :-)
[21:27:14] <Jacky^> hehe
[21:27:53] <Jacky^> systray work ok in 60% of cases ..
[21:28:15] <Jacky^> in windows, you could try Babylon too
[21:28:23] <Jacky^> should be ok
[21:33:28] <Jacky^> bosone: you job in the url you posted today looks very interesting
[21:40:01] <Jacky^> i ws thinking ..
[21:40:12] <Jymmm> * Jymmm smells smoke
[21:40:20] <Jacky^> would be very nice to do an open source PCI card
[21:40:34] <Jymmm> ?!
[21:40:46] <Jacky^> witch some eeprom up ..
[21:41:09] <Jacky^> to get possible add new components working with emc2
[21:41:44] <Jymmm> What I'd rather do is get COREL to gcode
[21:42:08] <Jacky^> vector to gcode ?
[21:42:29] <Jymmm> Well, yes. but specifically Corel to gcode
[21:42:46] <Jymmm> mostly for engraving purposes
[21:42:48] <Jacky^> never tried ..
[21:43:06] <Jacky^> artcam seem to me quiet nice
[21:43:40] <Jymmm> Yeah, sorta. The best so far. But I'm used to Corel too - much richer drawing interface than ArtCam
[21:44:12] <Jacky^> yeah ..
[21:44:28] <Jacky^> for engraving jobs theres a lot af software
[21:44:41] <Jacky^> Corel should have some cam extension too
[21:44:51] <Jymmm> I wish it did, but it doesn't
[21:45:18] <Jacky^> nada ?
[21:45:37] <Jacky^> then some third part software conversion ..
[21:54:27] <anna_emc> Iqualcuno ha una verione di adobe audition?
[21:54:36] <anna_emc> versione
[21:56:24] <Jymmm> Jacky^ which is a pita.
[21:57:54] <Jacky^> :)
[21:59:21] <Jacky^> doh
[21:59:24] <Jacky^> http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&pos=-1324
[21:59:35] <Jacky^> take a look to my country :P
[21:59:43] <Jacky^> thats beautiful place :D
[22:00:09] <anna_emc> palazzo vecchio firenze
[22:00:13] <Jacky^> :)
[22:00:47] <Jacky^> i like the horses :P
[22:01:16] <anna_emc> the horses?
[22:01:28] <anna_emc> sigh!
[22:04:18] <Jacky^> ouch ..
[22:04:59] <Jacky^> is robin_sz banned ?
[22:05:16] <Jacky^> :\
[22:05:40] <cradek> looks that way
[22:05:59] <Jacky^> ok
[22:07:46] <Jacky^> i just want to say, robin_sz helped me many times..
[22:08:00] <Jacky^> i want to say just a good word for him
[22:08:01] <cradek> yeah
[22:08:13] <cradek> complain to paul - none of us can unban him.
[22:08:19] <Jacky^> and i think emc should be developed for fun
[22:08:32] <Jacky^> just for fun
[22:09:09] <Jacky^> ok
[22:11:28] <Jacky^> Jymmm: what about your 'Colombo' issue ?
[22:11:43] <Jymmm> ?
[22:12:03] <Jacky^> the request of a spindle ..
[22:12:10] <Jacky^> in Milano
[22:12:23] <Jymmm> I have a router,
[22:12:26] <Jacky^> solved ?
[22:12:39] <Jacky^> we talked some week ago
[22:12:50] <Jacky^> about an issue with Colombo in italy
[22:12:51] <Jymmm> you mean a tool changer?
[22:13:11] <Jacky^> maybe.. i cant remember the piece
[22:13:18] <Jymmm> you mean the $4000 USD head?
[22:13:46] <Jacky^> i remember you was having an issue with wrong parts
[22:13:52] <Jacky^> :\
[22:14:01] <Jymmm> Oh, well those are not spindles at all
[22:14:17] <Jacky^> sooved the issue ?
[22:14:34] <Jymmm> not really... some are expected tomorrow
[22:15:02] <Jacky^> oh.. okay , waitingg then ..
[22:16:59] <Jymmm> I had a BIG step skip yesterday (1/2"), so I dont know if it was a fluke or something else.
[22:17:36] <Jacky^> mmh
[22:17:37] <Jymmm> I'm thinking about encoders, but not sure if there's anythign within emc to resolve skipped stops over then estop.
[22:18:10] <Jacky^> i'm looking too, encoders are nice
[22:18:40] <Jymmm> I think it skipped steps are found, and minimal, controller should recalibrate and return back to just before the error was encountered. (operator option of course)
[22:19:00] <jepler> sure there is -- the encoders are fed into the PID loop. You only get a following error when the spindle gets "too far" from the expected position.
[22:19:30] <Jymmm> jepler ok, then what does it do, just estop?
[22:20:39] <jepler> looks like it is the same as hitting F2 -- machine off, as opposed to estop.
[22:20:54] <cradek> Jymmm: you're not running the bogus emc (bdi before 4.29) are you?
[22:21:16] <jepler> it's the state AXIS calls "estop reset", I think the same term that xemc uses
[22:21:25] <Jymmm> cradek might be 4.29
[22:21:35] <cradek> you don't need encoders for steppers to work right - you just need your software and hardware to be right.
[22:21:55] <Jymmm> cradek: Ok, then tell me why it skipped 1/2" yesterday?
[22:22:21] <cradek> easy - either your hardware is bogus, your software is bogus, or you're doing something bogus.
[22:22:24] <Jymmm> I have no clue if it was a bug, a fluke, or whatnot... all I DO know is that I have a ruined piece of work.
[22:22:35] <Jacky^> i'm too
[22:22:38] <Jymmm> that's doesn't resolve anything.
[22:23:04] <Jymmm> It could be ANYTHING at this point. only 40IPM feedrate shouldn't have skipped
[22:23:48] <cradek> well, like I said, check your software versions
[22:23:48] <Jacky^> encoders on stepper could be an interesting experiment
[22:23:53] <Jymmm> cradek Yeah the bogus comment is really hopeful in narrowing down the problem.
[22:23:54] <cradek> be more sure than "might be" 4.29
[22:24:35] <Jymmm> Resolving issues is easy, narrowing down the cause is a bitch
[22:25:27] <Jymmm> at least with some feedback, it would help dramatically.
[22:25:49] <Jacky^> cradek: encoder component on emc2 can be wired to a phisical encoder ?
[22:25:50] <cradek> sure it would estop, but you still would have to find the problem the same old way (troubleshooting).
[22:26:00] <cradek> Jacky^: I don't know, sorry
[22:26:18] <Jymmm> I dont want it to JSUT estop, I want it to recalibrate itself and continue
[22:26:27] <Jymmm> assuming just a glitch
[22:26:38] <Jymmm> and acceptable damage
[22:26:44] <cradek> a glitch with steppers usually means a stall, because of acceleration.
[22:26:52] <Jymmm> 40IPM ?
[22:27:20] <cradek> 40IPM means nothing to me, since I don't know if your setup needs accel at that speed.
[22:28:01] <Jymmm> that was the max feedrate when it jumped 1/2"
[22:28:10] <Jacky^> Jymmm: wich material are you working ?
[22:28:13] <Jymmm> mdf
[22:28:28] <Jymmm> 25K rpm spindle 2.25HP
[22:28:39] <Jymmm> brand new 1/2" v cutter
[22:28:59] <Jacky^> machine seem ok ..
[22:29:14] <Jymmm> if it skipped a few steps I could understand, but 1/2" seems like an aweful lot.
[22:29:44] <cradek> I'm telling you, if you have a glitch, it will stall. If that's a three-foot jog, you'll be off three feet.
[22:30:21] <Jymmm> define 'glitch'
[22:30:24] <cradek> jog your machine, grab the screw and stall it, let go, you will see it doesn't start again
[22:31:37] <Jymmm> well, that's the effect, I'm more conserned with the cause.
[22:32:22] <cradek> then, like I said twice now, make sure you have bdi 4.29 or equivalent (version 1.0-29 of emc)
[22:32:50] <Jymmm> ok, lets say I do
[22:32:54] <Jymmm> then?
[22:34:17] <cradek> sorry, I'm tired of trying to help you, so forget it.
[22:34:47] <Jymmm> ok
[22:34:51] <Jacky^> i think tuning a stepper machine isnt too simple
[22:35:09] <Jacky^> especially if high speed is required
[22:35:18] <Jacky^> that why i decided to use servos
[22:35:54] <Jacky^> Jymmm: with mdf your machine could fly
[22:35:59] <Jacky^> i think
[22:37:33] <Jymmm> Jacky^ This isn't necessarily stepper/servo issue. See, what cradek isn't saying is that it could be anything causing the problem from software to electical to mechanical. There is no way to immediately isolate the problem definately. it's more of a hit&miss guessing and eliminating potential problems which could last years at narrowing down the cause.
[22:38:57] <Jacky^> Jymmm: id like to start excluding HW
[22:38:59] <Jymmm> With rotary encoders, you are able to see if the steppers have skipped steps, but only stop operations, not readust and continue.
[22:39:15] <Jacky^> testin all with all meter, scope, instruments, etc ..
[22:39:33] <Jacky^> so, we can work in a sure direction
[22:39:57] <Jacky^> the software side should be not a problem
[22:40:56] <Jacky^> the issue you have happen always in the asame axis ?
[22:41:24] <Jymmm> no it skipped 1/2" diagnolly
[22:41:27] <Jymmm> (sp)
[22:44:14] <Jacky^> i would like to exclude software befor
[22:44:35] <Jacky^> then, why do not try with another pc.. another config
[22:45:07] <Jacky^> could be an interference ..
[22:45:22] <A_Guy> any sqlboff's here?
[22:46:11] <Jacky^> A_Guy: what is ?
[22:46:19] <Jacky^> sql guru ?
[22:46:25] <A_Guy> same thing :)
[22:46:30] <Jacky^> :D
[22:46:35] <Jymmm> like?
[22:46:37] <Jacky^> i think #web
[22:46:44] <Jymmm> no #sql actually
[22:46:57] <A_Guy> there already :)
[22:47:02] <A_Guy> they kinda doff thou :)
[22:47:17] <Jymmm> ?
[22:47:27] <A_Guy> doff = stupid :)
[22:47:43] <Jacky^> A_Guy: they are Developers
[22:47:47] <Jymmm> what do you need?
[22:47:55] <Jacky^> all Developers are a bit strange ..
[22:47:57] <A_Guy> me 2... and i'm still doff :)
[22:48:12] <Jacky^> it depend on how you asked :)
[22:48:49] <A_Guy> can some one give me a hand... i have a sql prob i am batteling with. i have 2 fields in it. one of them keep's the sum off all the votes and the other keep's track of how many votes are cause. the prob i have is getting the average. cause some of the field's arent filled in.. is there any way to get around this in a sql statment?
[22:49:16] <Jacky^> first part can be deleted ..
[22:49:18] <Jacky^> :D
[22:49:24] <Jacky^> can some etc etc..
[22:49:32] <Jacky^> shot the problem
[22:49:33] <A_Guy> 2 late
[22:49:36] <Jacky^> and wait ..
[22:49:48] <Jacky^> before i get my videolan working
[22:49:52] <Jymmm> sounds like you really need to learn sql
[22:49:57] <Jacky^> i wait for a reply in irc 1 week
[22:49:59] <Jacky^> :\
[22:50:28] <Jacky^> no other peoples an help you
[22:50:28] <Jymmm> http://www.sqlcourse.com/
[22:50:39] <Jacky^> excluding google..
[22:50:44] <A_Guy> Jymmm... know sql... problim is the division by 0
[22:50:49] <A_Guy> that's what i need to get around
[22:51:08] <Jacky^> A_Guy: I believe you ..
[22:51:31] <Jymmm> A_Guy but if you're storing the SUM in a db, something is wrong
[22:51:38] <Jymmm> with the design
[22:51:47] <A_Guy> whats wrong with that?
[22:52:02] <A_Guy> dont want to have to store every vote ever made
[22:52:15] <A_Guy> just the average
[22:52:46] <zwelch> A_Guy: you haven't been following the Diebold story, eh? :)
[22:52:56] <A_Guy> Diebold story?
[22:53:04] <Jacky^> hey zwelch yes
[22:53:57] <zwelch> A_Guy: the makers of electronic voting machines... with software that's barely better designed than what you just described
[22:54:19] <Jacky^> ah .. old story ..
[22:54:28] <Jacky^> :)
[22:54:50] <A_Guy> well whats wrong with my voting thing?
[22:54:59] <A_Guy> it's simple and it works... what more u want?
[22:55:04] <zwelch> to be blunt, security is important, and you're tossing it out the window if you are not storing every vote in your database such that they can all be verified
[22:55:27] <zwelch> something that can be verified as accurate and untampered?
[22:55:36] <A_Guy> lol
[22:55:44] <zwelch> * zwelch probably has high expectations ;)
[22:55:48] <A_Guy> it's a simple system to vote for a picture
[22:55:50] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:56:02] <A_Guy> doesnt need to be verified
[22:56:45] <zwelch> * zwelch just had to jump in after seeing "<Jacky^> all Developers are a bit strange .." at the top of my screen
[22:57:00] <zwelch> * zwelch wanted to help prove the point ;D
[22:57:08] <A_Guy> so do u know how to solve my prob or not?
[22:57:09] <Jacky^> zwelch: you like it eh ? :P
[22:57:16] <Jymmm> A_Guy so, you cna't just check for o in advance?
[22:57:20] <Jymmm> 0
[22:57:22] <Jacky^> its true..
[22:57:28] <Jacky^> im sure
[22:57:31] <Jacky^> :D
[22:57:37] <zwelch> Jymmm: yeah, the easy answer for a division by 0 error is "don't do that" :)
[22:57:45] <A_Guy> i can... but then it wont be done in the sql statment
[22:57:57] <Jymmm> A_Guy THEN LEARN SQL
[22:58:02] <zwelch> okay,, but why do you want to do that?
[22:58:07] <A_Guy> i know SQL!!!
[22:58:19] <Jacky^> hahaha
[22:58:23] <Jymmm> not well enough it seems
[22:58:29] <anna_emc> mah?
[22:58:32] <zwelch> i mean, you're not going to have a SQL web page.... it'll be PHP, Perl, or something else that calls SQL
[22:58:39] <zwelch> so do the check in the higher level language
[22:58:48] <Jymmm> no need for that
[22:58:51] <zwelch> * zwelch hasn't seen any "Pure SQL" applications running around
[22:58:58] <Jymmm> if the db is designed right
[22:59:08] <Jymmm> NULL comes to mind.
[22:59:08] <A_Guy> there is nothing wrong with my db
[22:59:13] <Jacky^> anna_emc: jymmy ha appena detto a A_Guy IMPARA L'SQL !
[22:59:16] <A_Guy> it does what it's meant to do
[22:59:22] <anna_emc> questo avevo capito
[22:59:27] <anna_emc> che lo state uccidendo
[22:59:30] <Jacky^> anna_emc: e A_Guy ha risposto: LO CONOSCO GIA!
[22:59:32] <Jacky^> lol
[22:59:34] <Jymmm> A_Guy if it's working, then why are you having problems ?
[22:59:52] <A_Guy> Jymmm... are u always such a prick?
[23:00:22] <Jymmm> A_Guy Yep, when it comes to stupidity... I've told you what you need to do to resolve it, but you are so hard headed you won't listen.
[23:00:30] <Jacky^> anna_emc: no.. we arnt kill him :P
[23:01:16] <A_Guy> asked a simple question... if u dont know how to solve it just say so
[23:01:22] <A_Guy> and i will go find out elsewhere
[23:01:31] <Jymmm> A_Guy: Again... NULL comes to mind. and that's my final comment on it.
[23:02:17] <A_Guy> u where being a prick long before u mentioned null
[23:02:46] <Jymmm> A_Guy anyhow... not a emc thing... take it to #sql
[23:03:02] <Jacky^> right
[23:03:08] <zwelch> * zwelch agrees as well
[23:03:09] <Jacky^> really ..
[23:03:19] <Jacky^> wait there
[23:03:27] <Jacky^> good luck :)
[23:03:47] <Jacky^> A_Guy: you can make a script
[23:03:56] <Jacky^> every 30 min paste the question
[23:04:01] <A_Guy> cant believe what a fuck wit u are... making such a big deal about a simple question
[23:04:05] <Jacky^> and leave the channel opn all the night
[23:04:07] <Jacky^> :D
[23:04:14] <A_Guy> thank's for actualy trying to help Jacky^
[23:04:24] <Jacky^> A_Guy: kidding ..
[23:04:31] <Jacky^> i cant help you
[23:04:55] <Jymmm> A_Guy Now you are being rude.... just leave please.
[23:05:14] <Jacky^> i just say someone can give you the reply youre waiting
[23:05:21] <A_Guy> Jymmm... would rather just sit here and ignore u
[23:05:35] <anna_emc> ah ah
[23:05:38] <anna_emc> goooooooo
[23:05:41] <Jacky^> he ?
[23:05:44] <Jacky^> :\
[23:05:52] <Jymmm> I didn't even do anything
[23:05:57] <Jymmm> to him that is
[23:06:28] <Jacky^> anna_emc: stava cercando una risposta nel posto sbagliato (he was looking for in a wrong place)
[23:06:40] <Jacky^> :)
[23:06:47] <Jacky^> nothing more..
[23:06:56] <Jacky^> but sometimes it happen
[23:07:05] <Jymmm> Jacky^ : No, he just wouldn't listen to anythign I or zwelch said.
[23:07:16] <Jacky^> :)
[23:07:34] <Jymmm> He THOUGHT his db design was the only way, but he just doens't know db design well enough.
[23:07:39] <Jacky^> because he cant find the reply hes searching ..
[23:08:43] <Jacky^> zwelch: how the things are going there ?
[23:08:57] <anna_emc> anna_emc calma i presenti con un goccio di grappa
[23:09:09] <Jacky^> anna_emc: use /me command
[23:09:19] <Jymmm> and english =)
[23:09:25] <Jymmm> brb
[23:09:25] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:10:40] <anna_emc> * anna_emc anna versa da bere
[23:10:44] <Jacky^> anna_emc: is offerink a drink
[23:10:49] <Jacky^> offering
[23:10:53] <Jacky^> anna_emc: seen ?
[23:11:08] <Jacky^> simple ?
[23:11:10] <Jacky^> :D
[23:11:36] <anna_emc> yes seen
[23:12:31] <Jacky^> great :P
[23:12:37] <Jacky^> youre learning
[23:13:32] <Jacky^> anna_emc: the next step is
[23:13:53] <Jacky^> how to run emc to cooke an italian food :P
[23:14:30] <Jacky^> yes ?
[23:14:40] <anna_emc> to my great surprise isee
[23:14:48] <Jacky^> what ?
[23:14:56] <anna_emc> I see
[23:15:03] <Jacky^> see.. what ?
[23:15:11] <anna_emc> con mia grande sorpresa capisco!
[23:15:17] <Jacky^> ah
[23:15:23] <Jacky^> see mean vedere
[23:15:26] <anna_emc> :-)
[23:15:27] <Jacky^> non capire
[23:15:45] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ send a kiss to anna_emc
[23:16:09] <anna_emc> no dal mio vocabolario
[23:16:16] <anna_emc> I see capisco!
[23:16:18] <anna_emc> bho
[23:16:22] <Jacky^> see mean 'capire' ??
[23:16:25] <anna_emc> yes
[23:16:29] <Jacky^> capire= understand
[23:16:45] <anna_emc> understand
[23:16:52] <anna_emc> si come vervo infinito
[23:17:04] <Jacky^> ok ..
[23:17:08] <anna_emc> ma io capisco si dice almen cosi � scritto I see
[23:17:22] <Jacky^> no
[23:17:26] <Jacky^> understood
[23:17:47] <anna_emc> * anna_emc butto vocabolario
[23:17:52] <anna_emc> ah ah
[23:17:54] <Jacky^> I see mean 'vedo' (vuol dire vedooo)
[23:18:03] <Jacky^> bad dictionary
[23:20:39] <Jacky^> wb Jymmm
[23:21:07] <Jymmm> ty
[23:21:15] <Jymmm> Did everyone miss me?
[23:21:34] <Jacky^> nopes ..
[23:21:53] <Jymmm> lol
[23:22:00] <Jacky^> :D
[23:22:12] <Jacky^> ahhhhh wooooow
[23:22:26] <Jacky^> Jymmm: i'm listen KC and sunshine band
[23:22:33] <Jacky^> thats sound :D
[23:22:40] <Jymmm> trying to relive your youth huh?
[23:22:46] <Jymmm> re-live
[23:22:46] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:22:51] <zwelch> Jacky^: good here
[23:23:12] <Jacky^> zwelch: hard working ;)
[23:23:40] <zwelch> my talk with jmk yesterday gave me enough info that i should be able to get a all userland version of emc2 up and running
[23:23:56] <Jacky^> good
[23:23:58] <zwelch> ... but not anytime soon... it's going to be a small mountain of work
[23:24:13] <Jacky^> right
[23:24:58] <Jacky^> when you want a drink come here :)
[23:25:14] <Jacky^> anna_emc: is offering drinks
[23:25:17] <Jacky^> :D
[23:25:20] <Jacky^> hahaha
[23:25:38] <anna_emc> * anna_emc bevuto tutto da sola!
[23:26:04] <Jymmm> anna_emc E n g l i s h P l e a s e = )
[23:26:24] <Jacky^> ]:)
[23:26:37] <Jymmm> only Jacky^ can understand you
[23:26:46] <Jacky^> bosone: too
[23:26:53] <Jymmm> (maybe)
[23:26:56] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:26:59] <Jacky^> :P
[23:27:10] <anna_emc> :-(
[23:27:34] <Jacky^> Jacky^: suggest to anna_emc to use :-(��
[23:27:37] <Jacky^> hahaha
[23:27:42] <Jacky^> i missed /me
[23:27:45] <Jacky^> :)
[23:29:40] <Jacky^> Jymmm: you like flash ..
http://www.caffegambrinus.com/ITA/HOME.htm
[23:29:51] <Jacky^> this the prefered bar by anna_emc :)
[23:30:03] <Jacky^> and mine too
[23:30:09] <Jacky^> in naples
[23:30:47] <Jymmm> $$$ or $$$$$ ???
[23:31:13] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ sighs
[23:31:17] <Jacky^> yeah ..
[23:31:34] <Jacky^> but niceee
[23:31:52] <Jymmm> It's nice... not I can't read it. Tried looking at the MENU but nothing shows up.
[23:32:16] <Jacky^> nah
[23:32:24] <Jacky^> there's also the english version
[23:32:34] <Jymmm> just foudn that.
[23:33:15] <Jymmm> Jacky^ how much is dinner for two?
[23:33:27] <Jacky^> Jymmm: no idea..
[23:33:31] <Jacky^> one times..
[23:33:35] <Jymmm> ah
[23:33:55] <Jacky^> we going abou 8 peoples
[23:33:58] <Jacky^> for a drink
[23:34:14] <Jacky^> anna_emc: dou you remember ?
[23:34:19] <anna_emc> yes
[23:34:20] <Jacky^> quanto pagammo ?
[23:34:49] <Jacky^> Jymmm: a drink based on old red wine and chocolate ..
[23:34:55] <Jacky^> we payed ..
[23:35:09] <anna_emc> Jacky^ no italiano Jymmm
[23:35:10] <Jacky^> about E. 140
[23:35:15] <anna_emc> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[23:35:26] <Jacky^> :(�
[23:35:30] <anna_emc> ah ah
[23:35:41] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ sighs
[23:35:53] <Jacky^> by my credit card ..
[23:36:14] <Jacky^> but its wonderful
[23:36:35] <Jacky^> is one of the more ancient bar in naples ..
[23:36:54] <Jacky^> in center town
[23:37:29] <anna_emc> Jymmm come to Italy?
[23:37:46] <Jacky^> anna_emc: mmm.. hard
[23:37:53] <Jacky^> i asked
[23:38:21] <Jacky^> anna_emc: thats ok, we alked enough about craps :)
[23:38:31] <Jacky^> this is a techincal chat :\
[23:38:44] <Jacky^> and theres also logs
[23:38:46] <Jacky^> ok ?
[23:38:50] <anna_emc> ok bye
[23:38:53] <Jacky^> nah
[23:38:54] <anna_emc> night
[23:38:58] <Jacky^> you can remain
[23:39:07] <Jacky^> switch to msn
[23:39:10] <Jacky^> ok ?
[23:58:13] <paul_c> damit... I hate postfix configs.
[23:59:04] <bosone> night anna
[23:59:28] <Jacky^> she's not going yet ..
[23:59:49] <Jacky^> :)
