I had to spray an infestation I have here a couple weeks ago
If you let it get a foothold it is too late
I presume its the roots that keep it alive underground for next year?
chop it into pieces and each piece will root
yeah it is annual
well perrenial but dies back in winter
so spray it with somehting that goes deep into the plant
yeah roundup will get it
yeah, I use that a bit
never seen a thing like that
and not too dangerous...it just metabolizes into salt and salts the plant to death
[00:03:39] <robin_sz> http://www.dgsgardening.btinternet.co.uk/japknot.htm
this is the one we have ...
The southern appalachians are a temperate rain forest....increadible biodiversity
I am interested in the weed purslane...it grows here
les can the animals eat that herb ?
six percent omega three fatty acid....eat it or make diesel from it!
tastes good in salad
actually, its not roundup I use, but I fogot the name .. I'll remember soon
why do not take 10-20k cows ?
ahh, thats it .. broadshot
kills everything except grass
I could have some cattle
lots of fenced land
and the meat in the U.S. stores is basically poison
no .. thats not right.
tastes like plastic...full of hormones
meat is murder ;)
* robin_sz goes off on his vege rant
I would have trouble butchering animals anyway
so I am pulling up some of the barbed wire
I have a few miles of it!!!
with the tractor I trust?
useful sometimes to have a boundary marked for your land
chain and the front end loader
I am just taking some out...not all
acchhh I was cooking noodles and it boiled dry
anyway, cooking is womens work!
unless you are out in the woods and there are none there
well, we've seen the film .. we know what you backwoodsmen get up to ;)
that reminds me .. must buy a compound bow
Women like me at first...but then get REAL mad
not sure why
if I knew I wouldn't have ex wives!
you only got a couple
I think I work all the time doing engineering and ignore them.
you reckon a compound boiw is more fun than a recurve?
uh I have a compound
[00:21:11] <robin_sz> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PSE-NOVA-COMPOUND-BOW-IN-BLUE_W0QQitemZ7181716255QQcategoryZ20840QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
oh...jacky....the movie "deliverance" was filmed about 10 km from where I am now
need to keep that compond bow handy!
I figure they must be similar power to a .22LR
through a piece of 1/2" ply?
they are required to be 50 lb draw here
for hunting...but I don't hunt
I just fancy a little target practice in the field
well, I hunt for grasshoppers to feed that bug.
Iused to hunt ...
thats what turned me vege
robin_sz: a 8 .00 xtal is usually used on servo driver ?
anyway, my teeth are so bad all I can eat is mush.
xtal on servo drives? no need usually
unless there is a micro on board
ahh, it has a micro
and a strange components
the famous Z8 ...
that looks like an ic 20 pins,
sgs IC500 88628
built in eprom usually
cant find any datasheet online :\
yes, there are also eprom
IIRC the Z8 had built in tiny basic interp??
robin_sz: are you talking to me ?
i've no idea :(
i seen the xtal near the cpu..
5 IC around .. SN74XX
[00:32:22] <robin_sz> http://fruttenboel.verhoeven272.nl/softy/z8techman1.html
a lot compex
mmh, too hard for me
robin_sz: yeah, you were right about the BASIC interpeter. "The Z8671 MCU is a complete microcomputer preprogrammed with a BASIC/Debug interpreter."
but not in this particular Z8
I remember playing with them many years ago on a couple of projects
yeah, romless variant
pratically.. will be impossible for me to drive the motors on this board in some way
not really .. just find the control signal to the amplifiers, remove the rest
i can just turn it with the keyboard on the other side
drive the conrol signal froma Vital or STG card ...
robin_sz: its a good idea to check the signals on L298 input pins ?
with the scope
os there a 297?
no 297, just an L296 near the PS
I think thats just a regulator
time to trace out the circuit near the 298 then :)
2 big capacitors of 3.300 uF 40 V
robin_sz: yeah.. is what im tryng to do
just a test meter, a pinout of the chips and a piece of paper and pencil is all you need
how manu years ? :(
its doubleface pcb
not long, 2 or 3 hours maybe
i will try..
just for 1 channel of servo drive
work on the L298
it has 2 l298
they will be 2 identical circuits
so just trace 1
Today I cleaned and set up an old tek storage scope that my dad mailed from florida
you should find the current and direction inputs eventually
he included three plug ins
a Big tek?
wow .. museum piece :)
I really can afford modern scopes
just cheap I guess
it does work well
this is the big like 500mm tall one? plain alloy front?
I forgot the number. It does have alphanumeric characters on the crt display
thats modern then
I was thinking of the old valve ones
big old collectors item
it's surplus from the cape
I think I remember using one a long time ago like that
yeah me too...like 20 years ago
let me check
here's the mine: http://www.migert.hu/termekek/elektromos/escort/oszc/eas201/eas201.html
hungarian ... careful, it will trick you ;)
i bought in italy :(
8 years ago.. for a million of lire
about E. 500
it's a 7623 with 7a16A,7A18, and 7B53A time base
mmm ... must be simialr sort of thing to the 7633 I guess
[00:55:55] <robin_sz> http://www.testelectronics.com/used/tek7633.htm
thats what I remember using anyway
you can slap a camera on the front too, picks something up from thjose 3 contacts .. ours was a polaroid
ah...looks exactly like that
lots of buttons :)
and they light up too
ok for free I guess.
really, that was about the pinnacle of clever standard electronics I think
multi action push, twist, pull switches etc
yes, back in the paleozoic age
all went a bit digital after that
giant scope, lots of teeny tiny buttons
it is pretty fast I guess
but .. consider thw age and then the 1ghz bandwidth available ...
I can see the averaGE LOGIC GLITCH
I still lust after a Tek 2445B
hit caps lock
I had the latest tek in chicago
forgot the number
but I remember the purchase req I filled out
not cheap tek gear
we had lots of tek waveform monitors at the bbc from the late 60s, 70s
anyway this old one LOOKS brand new
it will work
built on ceramic tag strip with silver coated slots to solder into
better than the B&K I have been using
have to use silver solder or it leaches away the silver and drops apart
they even provide a little reel of solver solder in the back of the scope, just in case
I will look!
only if they are built on the ceramic strips .. yours is much later than that
im talkign valve stuff ...
only valves I have are guitar amps
heh ... ok ..
[01:06:21] <robin_sz> http://www.miami.muohio.edu/president/personal/w8zr/eztuner/ezconstruction.htm
scroll down till you see a white terminal strip .. read the text to the right :)
doh, i found a date on the board, 4/3/87 ..
I see it
jacky...87....we are both using stone age stuff here!
actually, that is a nice project ...
the C and L are driven by steppers :)
oh, 2 C's ...
and a tapped L ..
some use a "rollercoaster" variable L ... a spiral L, with a pick up wheel, so as you rotate the L the pickup wheel moves along
I might have to do the acoustic equivalent of that on the air generator
well, switched capacitor
anyway, nicely built bit of kit for a hobbyist
Right now the air generator stuff is just talking to lawyers
you know, some of the last bastions of good desing and engineering are now in the hobbyists fields
oh for sure
yeah? but ti must be close to being a product then
they think so
I am not so sure
make it nice and wide :)
that is exactly what we are doing...
"another embodiment, similar to iv but with ..."
we always try to patent the wheel and fire...
you cant patent fire!
MS already have that one
consigned to them...I am just hired help
your name goes on right?
My fees are pretty damned good!
yeah name goes on
hey, I saw a jopb for you
but there is a entry test ...
I have a lot already
nah this is a good job ...
director of FEMA
ok .. heres the test
you are going to rescue some people from a flood
do you take :
a) food for them
c) M16 with grenade launcher?
d) none of the above. I just sit on my ass while people starve and drown!
do I pass?
c or D are both acceptable answers
Im still trying to figure out why every shot of "rescuers" is 3 guys in an airboat that is armed to the teeth
"well, it how we saved Iraq" ;)
* robin_sz is in cynical mode
yeah...they have oil in new orleans just like iraq...we should have just blown em up....
now I pass for sure right?
They had weapons of mass destruction...like jumbaliya
when Croatia had all that trouble, some cynic said, their best hope was to start digging for oil ;)
I'm gonna go. I have to clean out my burned pasta pan and start over. I'm hungry.
The mantis is full but not me!
Anyone have any suggestions on opening up a radial bearing mounting block where the holes is too small (tapered) by this much ---><---
Jymmm, locktite 609
a-l-p-h-a opening, not filling a gap. but thanks for the idea.
lathe, and fine sandpaper to remove.
how big of a part?
hand sand it...
or bore it with a mill...
it's the bearing mounting block for the leadscrew. I have no mill/lathe. They'll just have to refab the parts. Even tried a lil grease and tapping the bearing in - no go.
Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
why not press it?
It SHOULD slip fit in, they just screwed up making it in their $86K cnc center is all.
In the original blocks , it fits perfectly.
(those ones are jsut too short is all)
tis ok, already emailed em.
thanks though, appreciated.
ok, I'm outta here, Night all!
looking for connect 6N137 optocouplers to parport
anyone know how to ?
i'm tryng to assemble the optoisolator circuit using the 6N137
looking at the datasheet, it seem required dual 5V PS
Not sure the average parport can supply enough current for most optoisolators..
so, i thinked to use 5V from pc PS in input
You will need +5V from somewhere...
and 5V PS from a dedicated circuit i build with a small transformer and an L7805 for output
and logic of drivers..
should this be correct ?
i'm testing the 6N137 in a breadboard with dualchannel scope
the squarewave seem to be ok
not inverted in the output
I hope it work ..
the thing i'm not sure is the gnd
i think gnd form parport should be isolated from gnd of other 5V ps output..
not tiled togheter
each opto has two gnd pins...
they should be tiled togheter ?
These must be kept separate
Tie them togather, the circuit is no longer isolated.
ok, thanks :)
Same for the +5V
pratically the gnd from parport must be isolated too
is the same gnd of 5V ps input on optoisolators
so, it will be separated from 5V +- of logic driver circuits
Use the +5V and Gnd from the computer for the optoisolator(s) connected to the parport
_AchiestDragon is now known as AchiestDragon
Much easier to draw it than trying to describe..
the wrong thing now its,
that i used a metallic pc case for the driver
and a parport with metallic gnd,
in a PCI place
so, actually, the gnd from parport is togheter the other gnd from drivers circuit
i will isolate it in some way
thats maybe why i burned some pci parport
You using the same case for the computer and the stepper drives ?
and some l297 :\
paul_c: no 2 separates case
i used an old case for the drivers and PS
but you know, the parallel cable as metallic ground around ..
The computer & stepper dives would be connected via the earth cable only then...
i will do some photos later ..
also of an old board with a servoseriver I found
The D socket on the drive case needs to be insulated from the chassis
it isnt now..
and don't wire the outer shell to earth.
just make sure both cases are connected to a bonded earth connection.
the yello/green wire in the mains lead.
in the next days i'd like to make a script to convert RS274X to RS274NGC, they are very similar:
[15:14:09] <bosone> http://www.artwork.com/gerber/appl2.htm
[15:14:09] <bosone> http://www.artwork.com/gerber/274x/rs274x.htm
[15:14:09] <bosone> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerber_File
i found something like full spec http://www.techcircuits.com/docs/rs274x.pdf
so i can use emc as a gerber photoplotter
Why do something that has already been done ?
[15:21:02] <paul_c> http://www.yty.net/cnc/eagle2emc.tar.gz
- Converts Gerber to G-code
* Jymmm hides
why are we hiding?
15:41:23] Jymmm (n=somebody@unaffiliated/jymmm) has joined channel #emc
at least he isn't a damned troll.
hi Jymmm :P
Hi paul_c, increase your breast safely and naturally!
Jymmm: That's pill spammers..
paul_c: CONGRADUALTIONS! You have won the national lottery!
hrmm... Doesn't California have laws against that sort of thing ?
Probably, but when you have offshor servers/connections, it really doens't matter.
(what do I need another winning lottery ticket for anywy..)
paul_c to give to Jacky^
riightt.... Then he palms Anna off on me while he moves to Barbados.
paul_c: Didn't you always want a live in maid/slave?
another one ?
* Jacky^ is uploading photos..
paul_c: WEll, at least a seconds one that can cuss you out in italian anyway.
what's Italian for "put a sock in it" ?
paul_c: The same as "I'm going to hit you over the head with this cast iron skillet"
I'm a masochist - Hit me.
I'm not as much of a masochist as I used to be... My Uncles hdd was failing, was gonna upgrade their system. Said screw it pulled a hdd from my desktop, threw it in his and just ghosted the bitch.
ghosted from a Linux drive ?
Nah, but yo can.
Jymmm: are u there ?
Imperator_: are you working around homebuild servo drivers ?
nope, but some breakout boards fo the mesa card, to control servos
i'm interesting on it
i'm looking for some schematic
what do you wana do ?
and , i found a very interesting circuit on an old board
it seem to work quite fine
i want to drive servos with emc
I know, its hard .. but i want to try
i'm tryng to 'decrypt' the schematic of the board i'm testing
what input doeas the circuit need ?
its not simple :\
i'd like to drive with emc
i'm not sure about the input on this board
do you want to take a look ?
jep, but what signal exepts the circuit from the controller (emc)
right now i uploaded some pics
let me see
which size of servos do you want to use ?
with tacho ?
abou 2,5 cm diameter
i think digital encoder..
ok, heres my gallery: http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&cat=12775
because you can get the Galil Amps realy cheap on ebay
there are many photos of the board
they need a servo with a tacho, or you use the curent mode, and then emc has to do the velosity loop
[18:02:03] <Jacky^> http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=146&pos=13
click on the image to zoom full size
how can you know that it works fine when you don't know which input signal it has ?
it run an turn the motors
how do you command it
have u seen the pics ?
hi Imperator_ , are you working for a cpld interface?
Jacky^; have seen the pics, but don't know if that makes sense to invest some time !!
bosone: its FPGA stuff
5I20 FPGA based PCI Anything I/O card
ok, i look ..
we are making some breakoutboards for that card to use real servo amps
well controls wired http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/cnc.jpg
just wating for slides for the x axis and 10mm shaft couplers to arrive , then should be running
Imperator_: it's great!! this is the right way!!
i sow somthing similar but "closed" from national instruments
all pc must have one!
think an application that load specific VHDL code for fastest execution
adding on board ram
someone have experiece with DPSS laser?
sorry .. i was away..
Imperator_: -> Jacky^; have seen the pics, but don't know if that makes
sense to invest some time !!
would be a great to understand how it work..
I mean only the drivers section, of course..
what's the relationship between EMC and EMC2? is EMC still being developed? I'm working on 4.18 that came with my Sherline and I would like to add a few things to the GUI (% complete in auto, etc).
if they are useful additions, I would like to maximize the chances they get rolled into the builds
emc2 is derived from EMC (refered to as EMC1)
are there many differences in the Tk front-end code?
the version on the BDI disk owes much to EMC1, but the build system from emc2
not sure i understand
what build system?
When I was approached to update the BDI disk, one of the requirements was an up to date base.
This meant using a 2.6 kernel amongst other things.
emc2 is currently unsuitable for mass deployment.
EMC1 will not (now, or in the future) build on a 2.6 kernel.
so BDI uses EMC1 and employs the EMC2 build system - make file structure, etc?
I had already been working on getting emc2 to compile wth 2.6
so it made sense to use working code from EMC1 with some of the stuff from emc2
who does the main maintenance/development of EMC1/2? are your changes getting rolled back in?
The core developers agreed that EMC1 would only receive bug fixes.
rayh: is that to accomodate an updated API? or other?
Most of the bug fixes & enhancements from the BDI-4 builds find their way in to the emc2 tree..
One of the changes simply changes the location where it should find the process emcsh that conects it to NML
The other is a first shot at some internationalization.
If you wish to add a percent meter and such, that would be great.
I started making notes for things I would enhance in the UI. Should I direct this to anyone in particular or start hacking away on the UI? I did a fair bit of Tcl/Tk hacking about 10 years ago. I can probably pick it up again.
* paul_c points at rayh
paul_c: going back to the system load issue.. please remind me what's happening there and if there's anything I can do to address it?
Start hacking. Have you got developers status at sf?
update emc & emc-modules from the mirror - That should fix it.
You may need to uninstall emc-0.0.0-18 first...
rayh: yep. firstname.lastname@example.org
paul_c: haven't been brave enough to try it yet. don't want to kill my working setup.
Then you are good to go. You could start a branch for your gui work.
or you could simply copy mini.tcl to another named file and go with it.
rayh: Is mini in the emc2 tree ?
Yes under tcl at the toplevel
mrallen: You're all set to work in the emc2 tree then.
bdi-4 is a branch off that.
I've got a few changes to make to the editor as well.
paul_c: not clear on one thing... I'm using EMC 4.18 on my system. I've got EMC1/2 checked out of CVS (anon). should I copy mini from the EMC2 tree and use in EMC1 or what?
lemme diff the two...
* mrallen will be back in 20 minutes
Apart from the i18n code, just two lines differ.
Paul, is there a way to get the source for 4.25/27 up yet?
between EMC1 & bdi-4 branch, zero change.
Hadn't looked at that yet.... Been busy with the NML extensions.
okay. no worries.
looking at it right now.
is HAL something that is developed for EMC2?
I wonder if it's worth it at $30 USD http://www.morningstarcorp.com/products/SunGuard/index.shtml
ValarQ: You need to pick on JMK about HAL
hi robin_sz , just beaten to it also lol
and he hasn't been around in a coupel weeks =)
the hi :)
robin_sz: du you remember the old board we where talking yesterday ?
how could i forget
I uploaded some pics: http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=146
got the controls finished
[21:49:41] <AchiestDragon> http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/cnc.jpg
click on imaget to get full zoom size 2 times
this is the small servo that use: http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=146&pos=8
paul_c: how do I preserve my sherline-specific setup if I uninstall 0.0.0-18 in order to get 1.0?
AchiestDragon: and the new motors too!
how are they?
just wating for slides and 10mm shaft couplers now ,, hopefuly sould be next weeks sometime , the couplers are on back order with farnell
seem ok , can not stop them
better than the old ones?
mrallen: Have you altered mill_inch_freq.ini ?
about the same speed but alot more power
nice neat layout dragon
AchiestDragon: yeah, and dont worry, when you get a real driver, they will do LOTS of speed and keep that sam power a long wya up the rev range
emc-1.0-27 will install an updated ini for Sherline then.
paul_c: it's safe then? nothing hardware-specific they might have shipped?
the layout is not as neet as i would like , was tought to use solid core wire and have 90deg bends in it ,, realy neet , but not always practical
AchiestDragon: One question, why mount the drive box on the axis?
mrallen: The BDI-4.xx CD was designed specifically for Sherline.
its monted on the frame , the x axis will move ( sliding ) seemed a good place to mount it as i need to move the machine arround
sure .. but it adds a fair bit of mass to your gantry
its suported by its own mountings and the gantry that its attached to is fixed
paul_c: ok... here goes
you went for sliding table in the end?
you know, i really do want you to take me up on my offer of the use of a workshop for a weekend ...
i moved the x axis runners to the y axis so i get just under 24" on the y , to make up for having less x tavel using sliders
jacky^^ is now known as jack_lab
managed to remove 5kg from total weight in the process
from you or the machine?
the machine ,, it currently stands at 40kg
what software you going to drive it with ? EMC?
so by the time its finished will be back to 45kg ish , so movable
movelable ... pahh, what are you man or mouse?
just put it in the living room, dcalre "and this is where I want it to stay" :)
paul_c: i've removed old emc. installing new indicates that 'initrd-tools' and 'libc6-i686' will be removed .. huh?
AchiestDragon: those drives require 2 signals per channel? in quadrature?
or 4 signals?
one per pahse?
my workbench is outside , so need to be able to move it inside and out relativly easaly
hey, where did the FETS go off the drive board?
they are hibrid 8 wire , can be wired unipolar 4 phase or bipolar
the fets are mounted on heatsinks on the bit of veroboard at the top
uh oh ... are those the FETS on the ends of those 12" wire?
mrallen: That's OK.. libc6 & co will be upgraded.
mrallen: You'll also want to upgrade locales at the same time.
paul_c: i'll do a full 'apt-get upgrade'
AchiestDragon: generally speaking, putting high power fets on the ends of 12" long wires makes them oscillate ...
paul_c: once i've got this updated, please advise the best way to synchronize work in /usr/local/emc with cvs
paul_c: ok, no full upgrade. still waiting for emc to install.
Don't do a full upgrade
the resistance in on of the fets requres a 10w disipation per fet at full load , as to wire lenth yes going to screen the wires should cure that , but thay seem to work ok as is
yeah, you might be OK because they are either on or off ... never biased half on ...
but drop a small C, 100pf or so between gate and gnd, right on the fet to be sure
cross over seems to be more of a problem , but moving the wires apart cured that , screaning them should fix it
paul_c: apt says sherlinemill.tbl has been modified since installation. do I keep current or upgrade?
That's just the tool table
in the long term im going to replace the drivers , but for the time it will be ok to prove the machine
That is one file that should be changed to suit what ever tooling you use.
paul_c: how do I upgade a specific package like 'locales'
apt-get install locales
paul_c: says it's the latest version
Are you on the command line ?
paul_c: rebooted. emc will not run now. shared memory problems.
Any chance of using ssh to take a look ?
paul_c: can't.. behind NAT firewall
'k... Can you cut'n'paste some of the errors ?
03paul_c 07bdi-4_27 * 10emc2/src/ (122 files in 10 dirs): Update with the BDI-4.2x bug fixes.
03paul_c 07bdi-4_27 * 10emc2/src/ (37 files in 3 dirs): Update with the BDI-4.2x bug fixes.
03paul_c 07bdi-4_27 * 10emc2/src/libnml/ (44 files in 4 dirs): Update with the BDI-4.2x bug fixes.
03paul_c 07bdi-4_27 * 10emc2/src/ (29 files in 5 dirs): Update with the BDI-4.2x bug fixes.
OK, quick 'doze question ...
adding a network printer
I've added a "port" with the right IP address and whatever,
HTF do I add a new printer?
robin from Linux ?
from doze you just need to scan the net and add the printer found
nah from doze .. XP .. its OK I done it
network printers are local printers it seems ...
so when you wna t to add a netwrok printer, you have to select "add printer" and then "add local printer"
silly bill gates .. can't even get printing right
i usually scan the net..
I did that ...
but that only finds other local printers attached to other windows machines
this is a network printer
its not on local lan ?
scanning the net only finds shared printers on other boxes, not lan printers
is it on some local hub or switch ?
you probably are scanning the only your workgroup
well ... the printer isnt in any workgroup
workgroups is a windows thing
i dont know of netprinter without these setting ..
i worked a lot with a xerox
laserjet with jetDirect card?
it has also web server inside
anyway .. I did it ..
create a new local port
i think you can just add a new local printer
IP_192.168.1.50 (or wherever your printer is)
then try to canghe the port
then add a local printer, on that port
seems fucking silly to add a local printer for a network printer .. but it worked anyway
silly bill gates
I know ..
i love linux because strange things are happening
works fine from linux, just set the IP in the printconf tool
you know. latest ver. of windoze are pretty strange
about protocols, security, share files, etc..
it suppose the user should be stupid..
windows is OK, but its only really for toy office applications
the power of windos is in other apps
like autocad ..
sadly, I think my next machine I sell will be with the windows GUI for control
linux is too hard for most users, at least the thick ones I have to talk to
they can *just about* use windows ...
i'm studing on Linux since 1998 ..
i'm already a newbie
thats all ..
a 'normal user' need at least 10 years
to learn how to recompile the kernel
its not for all ..
well, when selling a commercial product, needing Linux is simply a non-starter at the moment
kills your sales potential
unless you sell the whole system pre-configured etc, and then you have to support it etc .. full time job
better I think to sell with just a simlpe Windows non-realtime GUI
but, thats just for my application
for hobbyists, wnating to play with motion control .. the answer is of course different
i started laern something on linux when i done windows ..
i was having 2 partition on my hd
i was botting linux 1 time at year ..
when i removed fat partition, i started learn
now, i just use vmwave with win2k on linux for some cad apps
I just have 2 linux boxes here .. 1 for the wife to run an accounting package for the business
the other for my G200X developemtn etc
everything else is Linux .. debian to be precise
the servers in London and Lausanne are all debian too
, oh, 1 redhat left
and a couple of XP boxes at the factory
for Autocad etc
i just know ..
my friend are formatting the HD one time every 7-8 mounths
I found it rock solid
no problems at all with reliability/stability
dialer,virus,worm.banner and other..
I dont think I can remember an XP box crashing ...
after 8-9 mouths is pratically impossible to surf the net
i forget latest time i formatted..
maybe in the 2001
i cant remember what an antivirus is :)
i'm using 7 desktop switching, and home directory in a separate partition..
oops, time to buy a new toner I think
or refil it?
refil could be ok..
i've a small samsung 1520 laser, it work fine with refil
hmm ... maybe a new one from ebay?
how much the cost ?
les : You awake over there or did your tractor fall on top of you on the 9th hole?