i need genius input on a pet project... any takers??
whew, I hope the genius isnt being looked for anyomre, cause its not me, I still have yet to call about the quote on that machine im considering
do you know how I can change the chmod of all files under a directory?
I personally dont.
chmod -R 0777 *.*
hello, is anyone online?
AchiestDragon, is just a bot.
I have just completed downloading and running the LiveBDI4.6
I am having trouble doing the 'hard drive install'. Everything seems to work, but the system errors in the boot. I'm stuck.
Roguish, the masters / guru to ask is paul_c. and he's not here at the moment... I installed the BDI instead... it was pretty simple...
what's the error?
<-- finally imported the win32 thunderbird to linux. :D
now all I have to do is mount my raid 0 NTFS SATA drives... and be happy.
alpha, i can't recall the screen message. i will have to write it all down, since there's no way to print or copy.
if you don't want to wait... get the BDI instead.
I have the BDI. it runs fine.
There is a 'hard drive install' routine on the desktop. I'm trying that install.
So sorry, I have the LiveCD, not the BDI.
What's the best time to get help here?
Well.... The worlds most expensive plotter is running =)
Roguish, umm... ~noon EST.
12:00 (noon) -5GMT
thank you. i will try back. it's probably obvious, but i'm new at this IRC thing also. ciao.
afternoon (evening ?) Alex.
re-working libnml today...
* alex_joni prepares to go home :(
we got no guts :D
I'm having to do patent claim stuff today
how's the tribo stuff ?
well.. not actually tribo, but you know what I mean
Well, I have continuing funding....so it's good
maybe will catch you guys later
Hi Paul. How are you doing today.
Could do with some rain..
We know the feeling here. Lake is really low.
My install of 25 trashed my main netbox. My fault I think but I'm still missing a few parts of the new.
I can't get a usb printer setup.
Had to MAKEDEV ttyS0 for the modem. Stuff like that.
I suspect that security updates have something to do with the problems.
Nice Sherline post btw.
Shouldn't need to be running makedev...
Yea. I've not had to before this install but it created no tty's
take a big hammer to the box?
just firing up the test box..
ttyS0 to S4, ttyUSB0 to USB15 - All there.
lemme look here.
Got a bunch of ttys's I had to make the ttyS's.
under /dev/usb I've got stuff like lp0, mouse, scanner and such. NO USB0
I should try the install on another mb and see what happens.
Hi Les. How's the routing biz?
Are we there yet?
a total of sixteen
Jymmm I think the path to "there" is exponential, the closer you get the slower you go.
rayh: but but but, I'm going backwards, so I should be traveling faster!
Jymmm: Today, a plotter.... Tomorrow, who knows.
Hrmm... a CNC paint stirrer..
Installing 4.25 on a via 800 EPIA board.
hello! someone know an easy way to calculate pid parameters for freqmod?
bosone: I use P=80 and everything else =0
No caluclate for me P=200 I,D,FFx all 0
ok, now i retry
If you get following errors, increase
MIN_OUTPUT = -10
MAX_OUTPUT = 10
or make PERIOD smaller until the PC locks up.
deadband = 0 ?
deadband should be a bit more than 1/INPUT_SCALE or there abouts.
I said that wrong. A bit more than half of 1/input_scale.
rayh is now known as rayh-away
* Jymmm lights the tumbleweed rolling by on fire and grabs the marshmellows!
just changed web site a bit....upped resolution as more have dsl
could someone test it for me in a non-IE browser?
what a piece of shit!
should I look at it now?
looks just fien to me
I just about doubled the background image size
but the old one was really fuzzy...and 5 years old
ok, now the things you should fix....
done in word
this is done in sitespinner
Page Title... Make each page title unique
Example: Test http://lmwatts.com/signwood.html
I only did the index page...the others are still the old ones
well, you should fix em all. The TITLE is the key to getting indexed by the search engines
will be revamping all of them
yeah some have titles like "test" haha
a funny thing happened...some of my stuff just dissappeared
It was like the web host lost the files and restored with an incompleter backup
on the engineering page
bottom lowere left
the home link has just vanished!
nope, blame the operator!
[20:04:21] <Jymmm> http://lmwatts.com/.%5Cindex.html
I'd rather blame the web host...
that is at: http://lmwatts.com/signwp.html
at the BOP
let me check
[20:06:52] <cradek> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/09/bush_caption.jpg
and do you have a Count.cgi script on the server?
yes but it is screwed up
ROTF!!! SO SO TRUE!
hmm not seeing that typo on the signwp
view page source and you'll see it.
btw you REALLY shouldn't use IE
Seriously... lets in too many virus/malware/phishing, etc
99.9% of my customers do....
and 100% of them have those problems.
hell you can get opera for free for a limited time, or grab firefox, mozill,a whatever.
yeah wouldn't hurt to have it on the box
as long as it's non-IE I dont care
you should NOT use IE unless necessary.
and disable JAVA unless needed as well. more Java based viruses are being seen.
I use applets a lot
hmmm some text not centered on the signwp....
that was done in word also
That is actually my printed brochure with links added
I salt the world with those things
Should be: http://lmwatts.com/home.gif
Actually is: http://lmwatts.com/.%5Chome.gif
located here: http://lmwatts.com/signprice.html
not seeing that in the code
hey les.... on your raised letter furniture sign, it looks like the background is randomly dimpled?
yup that is done by hand
was that done by cnc or a shacky wood carver
ok.... I like it
and yes, I would like the machine to do it!
Almost everyone likes that....and it breaks up tooling marks as well
only takes a few minutes usually
I have been trying to figure out a program to do that... Would like a real easy sign program
On large signs It might take 15 minutes
maybe design a bitmap, then process it into gcode
I can actually do it with a raster...but it is very inefficient
cheaper to have the carver do it!
now if each dimple was a single stroke....
I would like to simulate a gouge or scoup type tool marks with a bull nosed bit
a couple of passes... roughing with a big endmill
have to do some preety good pseudo random stuff
actually...it has structure
Ps can do that
cool... have been working on Chris Radeks ttt program....
it is not random at all
We even put them on the urethane foam signs
by hand though
les you have any high detailed photos of the dimples?
I figure it should be structured around the letters (tangential to the glyph) then more of an ordered pattern with some randomness bewteen the letters
can you toss it up on the website sometime?
I also don't get the home button
well with the human made ones there are regions of different textures as the carver shifts to a different location
and there are strange .\ in its url
(on the signwp.html page)
clicking that gives me a 404 error
yeah I see that...but it work ok here
hi Chris.... did you get the source updates?
on engineering page?
les clear your browser cache and reload the page. Usually CTRL+RELOAD or SHIFT+RELOAD
les FireFox 1.0.6 http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0.6&os=win&lang=en-US
LawrenceG: I think I got the one you sent before we talked last night
thanks will do that sometime....
I had better fix that engineering page right now...dead end links are bad...
and the title too
chris.. I sent some after we talked to both your emails
cubic splinecode works fb now
nice round characters without extra lumps
did I scare everyone away?
ok... sorry... was felling kind of snarly this morning
I was just handwriting in fixes
it's ftp ed up
took out the old hit counter
don't need em
get detailed stats
les: In ALL the places you have your email address listed on the website, replace with this instead and it'll help prevent harvesting but still function as a clickable mailto link
Jymm I am a business...I want to be harvested!
les : WRONG! This are ppl just harvesting email addresses for spam purposes.
you want to be INDEXED, not harvested.
what does that code do?
and to GET indexed, fix those damn TITLE tags
les try it
fixed the title
hey... since I was harvested, I have won several lotteries, obtained property in nigeria and know all the best places to buy rolex watches and viagra
yeah I have to send of this weeks nigeria check
les that code is STRICTLY for you
les save it to a test.html file on your harddrive then open it in a browser.
unless of course you are running XP SP2 which fucks everything up.
les I had to dig out the script I wrote a ways back that generates that code, so at least try it.
oh I see
Hi cradek. As promised I'm awake at 0540 on Sat morning. Do you have some time?
but can't harvesters do that too?
les : See, the scripts that harvest email addresses dont normally search url encoded content.
les They look for '@', 'mailto', etc
thanks I will put that in
les Now you understand why I said STRICTLY for you =)
cradek, do you have time to do a little debugging of REALIZE?
les if you noticed, even the word 'mailto' is encoded. It prevents that from beng a search word.
Cool. Do you want to start a private chat with me, so that we don't disturb the "others"?
I don't get huge amounts of spam...but some
CR750: well they're off topic too, so I don't care
les Well, this will help prevent harvesting
CR750 go ahaead here so others can see...we'll shut up for a while
I have started acad, loaded the lips editor, and loaded realize
les nothing is perfect, but any lil bit helps.
I'm all yours 8-)
Jymmm: your time is better spent dealing with the spam that you will eventually get anyway (spamassassin, greylisting, rbls, etc)
cradek I dont' get spam, and the little I do get is maybe 10 a week.
CR750: oh, you're waiting for me, sorry
CR750: what problem are you having exactly?
I get just 4 lines in the output
do you have that edited dwg I sent?
I know that one exported correctly for me, so let's try it
maybe realize is not compatible with autocads from this decade for some reason
I do have the dwg file. I'll load it and see what is produced.
[21:08:09] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek/autocad/cr750
Now that I've loaded the dwg as edited by you, I get a message "Assignment to protected symbol: TYPE Enter break loop?"
you get that during the load?
no. during a run of realize
open up realize.lsp in a text editor
search and replace all occurrences of "type" with "etype"
Did. Still only 5 lines of output
(my autocad was released in '94, so some things may have changed!)
but that error is gone?
let's go through running it together so I'm sure of what you're doing
you type realize, then what happens?
"Safety Heighjt <0.02>:"
ok, hit return or something
then it should ask for a selection
(I don't have autocad here so I'm looking at the lisp)
for the selection you should draw an area box around your entire gear
Output file <C:\ACAD.NC>:" yes, I made a change...
oh, right, it does that first
so now you draw the box around the gear
"Select objects" (I click botright to top left)
do they highlight?
"13 objects found"
ok that sounds plausible
"<CR> Command :"
And the file only has 5 lines
so you hit enter after drawing the box and it just exits?
huh, it should say more stuff
if you hit f2 or whatever goes to the text screen, is there any other output?
There is stuff in the scroll back buffer
searching for drills...
searching for mills...
so it doesn't say Mills: 125-MILL
ok at the prompt type LIST
then click on part of the gear
it will tell you the entity type
is it POLYLINE?
I wonder what that is
ok open up realize.lsp again
find the (defun get-mills ...
I'm guessing and "lwpolly" ? 8-)
LWPOLYLINE. Light Weight Polyline (R14).
in there you see (or (= type "POLYLINE") ...
change to this:
(or (= etype "LWPOLYLINE") (= etype "POLYLINE")
I guess yours says etype now
so you're adding this
(= etype "LWPOLYLINE")
right after the or
in the "Get_Mills function?
Done and saved
ok try again now
jepler: is the representation of a LWPOLYLINE the same as a POLYLINE?
Nothing after "Searchin for mills..."
cradek: no idea -- I got that little bit of text from the google excerpts of a search for LWPOLYLINE
maybe this other page will be more enlightening to you: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/CAD/autolisp-faq/part2/section-5.html
(forgot to "load" after edit.
An additional command âCONVERTPOLYâ may be used to convert a âPOLYLINEâ/ âLWPOLYLINEâ entity back and forth
[21:29:46] <jepler> http://www.hal-pc.org/journal/feb99/Reviews/autocad/autocad.html
"Mills: (125-MILL, V feed for 125.........."
it looks like the representation is totally different
CR750: ok, that's good
CR750: but I bet it still won't be right
Now up to 11 lines of output
CR750: back at the autocad prompt
Convert to: HEAVY
select all your gear
now try the export again
Now the "found mills" is missing again
Should I change LWPOLY to POLY
there should still be the (or ... "POLYLINE")
unless you removed it
Was I meant to ADD it to the OR
yes, but that's ok, just change it back
or download the original again!
oh no, don't do that
we still need the etype change
Now I have the Mills section
how is the output now?
And wadda ya know. The outfile seems fo have a *lot* of text in it!
I put the etype change on the website
now you will still probably find that your output is 700 inches across
err no, this is the scaled drawing I sent
And that's fine, cause I'm working in mm.
ok so the secret is CONVERTPOLY / HEAVY
Can I add that to the LISP?
ok, you might want to go back to your original drawing before I messed up the scale
sure, it could be in the program, but it modifies the drawing, which seems like a bad idea
ideally the program would deal with either representation
The original dwg (after convertpoly) seems to generate the right output. I'll fire up a simulator and see what it cuts.
The simulator sows an appropriate size being cut, however I still have (an easy) question... How do I reset the Origin of a dwg?
in autocad, MOVE all to the origin
select the reference point (where you want the new origin to be)
And that's it?
now beware if you have a UCS set, your origin might not be the world origin
realize exports in world coordinates
(a little happy dance along with several "woooo hoooo"'s)
I put a note about LWPOLYLINES and CONVERTPOLY on the web page
that's easier than fixing the program
what version is your autocad again?
You have been most helpful. And now that the sun is rising, I might have some breakfast
ok, that's very encouraging
Yes it is.
I was beginning to feel like my mill project would not be as complete or easy as I'd hoped.
I'm glad you can make use of my software
I've had very little feedback from people using it
Thanks again for your help. I'll try not to disturb you wrt realise again.
I was starting to wonder if it wasn't a solution people want
don't worry about bothering me. I give my software away for a reason.
I like it, however "cheapskates" my not have access to AutoCAD.
that's very true
I bought mine long ago as a student for $99!
and in true cheapskate form, I'll probably never upgrade
cradek LONG LIVE DOS!!!! lol
Jymmm: you mean freedos!
Jymmm: I'm really happy to be able to run it in emulation on linux
cradek Eh, I like MS-DOS 7
I can't tell you which country I bought mine in, but let me tell you that I was assured that the photocopied cover was becasue of a water-damaged original.
lol @ CR750
<Asured with a strong Chineese accent)
mmm-hmm sure it was
I don't know if I'd use a newer one if someone gave it to me (legit)
I guess I would at least fix realize
Zone alarm keeps whinging about some "registration" stuff whenever I start CAD
cradek: first you'd need a computer to run it on, since I bet it won't run so well on freedos
.. in qemu
all fixed huh? I had gone back to doing rocket science for a while....which is what I am supposed to be doing today.
jepler: that's true
I am lucky the student version was dongleless
Yes you are
You lot are an entertaining crowd. Have a fantastic weekend. bibi
Well that spindle vanished on the ebay store...But I didn't get good vibes from the guy
reluctant to give a bunch of money to someone that won't say more than a few words about an item
dait... Was going to say 375 runs, and rain stopped play with Aus. on 112-0
les: trust your gut
now I get to buy a new one I guess
les: also, for big money, get a phone number and call
les: gives your gut a LOT more to work with
yeah I asked, but no reply
hence the bad vibes
I still need to look more at emc ATC stuff....
cradek: How much (if any) compatability issues have you had with FreeDOS ?
otherwise just buy a manual er collet one (5 times cheaper)
I've noticed a few bugs or differences
DEL and MOVE can take more than one file, which is really nice
always thought that was stupid in real dos
I think there's a bug in xcopy but I don't remember what (skips some files?)
move I rarely use
but to run a program, even a complex one like autocad, it works fine.
I remember when edlin was the only text editor I had
I have tried several games and they work fine
oh gawd... EDLIN
HIMEM for the 286 is broken
les LINE eidtor, not TEXT editor =)
edlin: hit "e" for save
that's all I remember about edlin
I have long forgotten the commands
^Z or F6
heh... installing DOS now
I used pcxts with dash 16 data aq cards for a lot of industrial control stuff a long time ago
Really that's all I use c for
ran all sorts of custom machines with that setup
I'm using DOS now to move around some ghost partitions across the network.
Well, got some quotes here...ER25 spindle 5 kW with inverter about $1800
It MUCH easier to create/restore a ghost image than to reinstall just to resize a partition.
might be a little more If I run the inverter on single phase
when I run the big rotary phase converter I get pretty crappy power factor....would like to get away from it
i found some IC stepper driver on an old epson printer, LB11847
it seem to be a nice driver
I've never heard of it before
but i cant understand if it can be drived by emc..
PWM Current Control Type Stepping Motor Driver </intarweb>
it has on logicu input enable 1, nable 2, phase 1, phase 2
where's thce clok input ?
I don't think it's driven with step+direction pulses
ah.. i was thinking this too..
well, now im sure, thanks :)
Do you do microcontrollers? It would not be hard to write some software for a microcontroller that took step+direction inputs and generated the right outputs according to "sequence table" on page 7 of this datasheet
jepler: no.. i've no idea about use microcontrollers ..
emc can do phase output
cradek: this is more complicated, because it's microstepping
for each winding there's I1..I4, ENA1 and PHA1
jepler: a pic16784 an be ok to generate the correct sequence ?
Jacky^: what sequence?
alex_joni: i found 5-6 Driver stepper ICs in some old printer
in a signle board, there are 2 IC
i cannot drive it with only clock and direction ..
sure you can't
you need phase stepping
it's not a machine ..
i've the carriage and motors
i would like just move it ..
you have 2 options
1. use a microcontroller to convert step/dir to phase stepping
2. use emc2 ;)
emc2 can drive this ic ?
emc2 can drive phase stepping
say you have 4 pins on the parport
3) use a L297 to convert step/dir to phases
and emc2 can drive them sequentially
robin_sz: yeah . that too
4) just give in and buy a gecko
but then it would be best to use a L297 / L298 ;)
* alex_joni would chose 4)
robin_sz: i dont want to use L297 tha are very expensive E. 11 each
i'm playng just for fun
nm about the gecko then
alex_joni: i will use gecko on my next machine
I use geckos on my toystuff :)
i will build soon :)
[22:50:25] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/mytoy/HPIM5140.JPG
i'm just doing some 'robotic experiment' .. with surplus board and motors..
i've something like 9 printers and 3 scanners :\
all damaged of course
90% head broken ..
hello! my 2axis stepper +solenoid EMC now works!! i must change MIN/MAX_OUTPUT to +/-80 for right speed and now axis follow and stop. I have only a llittle problem when i put on the machine. It gives to me follow error only one times at the first power up (software). I use BDI 4.20. some ideas?
bosone: great :)
follow errors are usually because the sw can't pulse fast enough
what pc do you have?
hi Jacky, hi alex
a pIII 600 64MB
you might try to decrese the PERIOD parameter
and it is ok when emc in use? just power-up when following error occurs?
or maybe increse the ferror
ok in use
period is .000024
i think us, rights?
bosone: im using 0.000020 on a cereon 800 mhz..
secons sorry, 24 us ?
i think if it is ok in use, then period is set ok
bosone: did never freeze emc ?
i think period its ok too
i tryed 50 and 16 with same problem
check the ferror value, as alex_joni sayd
but work !! ;)
are you using mm as units ?
run fast ?
i had to change in inches to run fast , using emc 1
check too ..
try to change MIN/MAX_OUTPUT to +/-80
emc1 can have issues in mm
especially with small steps/mm
i have only 20 steps/mm, so is faster
less than 50 steps per mm and emc1 can have problems
try using inches and 25.4 x 20 steps per inch
yes, the pid and the power up i think
also change max velocity etc
another problem whit emc1 & mm i think is the velocity reported / setted on gui, or I mistake...
greetings over there
heard you are from napoli?
uh oh! ...
* robin_sz just worked out who anna_emc is!
so .. for more welding fun, today, I decided to run up the big mig set again ... went out, got gas, had to use the for truck to get it from where I stored it, had to find a 3phase plug ... etc etc .. finally get it all set up, find some scraps of metal etc and ...
fscking 0.8mm wire, 1mm feed wheels
works the other way around :D
might even worklike this
1mm wire too much for 3mm sheets?
but you need to trash them
you can go pretty low on 1mm
so get some 1mm wire maybe?
what about liner?
0.8-1mm is usually the same
same as 1.2-1.4
whats happening ?
plese, someone know a good, free (maybe open!) dxf to g-code translator?
3 italian peolpes in a signle shot ??
Oi! ... no kissing!
bosone: 2d or 3d?
you want cradek I think
for routing PCB?
how are you Jacky^?
or just drilling?
anna_emc: nice, working a lot..
* alex_joni read some logs
anna_emc: capri is great
for testing my unit now!
was there a few years ago
anna_emc: bosone is from rome
bosone: really? I was there last week :D
bosone: for drilling PCB, Mach2 will accept excellon drill files directly
yes, i'm from rome
bosone: Eagle will produce excellon files too
yeah, and emc will accept files from eagle (g-code that is :)
will it? coo.
didnt know that
that's what cradek uses
yeah, but he has a special magic add-on
ok, i use orcad at now, excellon , gerber & dxf
yeah.. a magic wand
tip it twice on the screen.. presto
I presume its an eagle ULP he uses to make the gcode
available at unpy.net
so ... yeah cradeks stuff is what you want
and a wand
with/without a star on the end. either will work :)
a big wand
like a baseball bat
well, thats what I said to this girl once ...
robin_sz: don't go there
we have female company
cradeks?, thaks robin
alex_joni: you mean Jymmm?
no, he's not around
but sure feels like that
shame, I was going to tease him about his machine ;)
_AchiestDragon is now known as AchiestDragon
robin_sz: wanna hear smthg nice?
10:16:36 <xet7> But now I've re-installed BDI after that
10:39:50 <xet7> I'm going through http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_Install
, and when I run ./configure, I get: configure: error: cannot find sources (src/emc/motion/emcmot.h) in . or ..
10:39:54 <xet7> What's wrong?
10:44:40 <xet7> Hmm, ok, problem was that I should download emc2 instead of bdi-4 branch, when I figure out
10:50:04 <xet7> What's the name for emc2 branch?
10:51:52 <xet7> ok found it on wiki
hey guys.. anna_emc is an hacker..
shes intersted in build a machine lie this: http://www.casacci.it/PR600.htm
aren't we all?
can we help anna_emc ?
you know ... some of those machines are amazing
just buy one
robin_sz: too simple ..
but thats the way to make yourself rich
sometimes, its better to just invest money, ratehr than time
you can borrow money from a bank ...
I don't know where you can borrow time from
anna_emc: is e.3000 under.. in a bank
3000 under, you have a problem ...
its not enough ?
30,000 under .. the bank has a problem :)
so ... 3 old ladies in a hospital ...
how about 300k ?
going a bit mad ... the doctor decides to make a test, for their sanity
he asks them "what is 3 x 3?" ...
the first one thinks and says "246?"
no .. wrong ...
the second one says "Tuesday?"
no .. worng ...
finally the thrid one says "nine?"
right .. and how did you know that?
"well, I just did 246 - Tuesday" /...
robin_sz: great ;)
* alex_joni goes to bed
bosone: got some pictures of yours machine ?
G night alex_joni
yes Jaky^ !
ah :) go a link ?
give to me 10 minutes
all time you need :)