#emc | Logs for 2005-09-03

[00:03:54] <Jacky^> night
[00:04:01] <Jymmm> G'Night ja
[00:11:43] <Jymmm> anyone know how to QUIT keystick by chance? hitting 'END' on the kybd doens't do anything
[00:11:57] <paul_c> Q
[00:12:03] <paul_c> or quit
[00:12:32] <Jymmm> I'll try that in a sec. I thought I did and it didn't do anything, but I could be wrong.
[00:13:46] <Jymmm> ok max velocity is in units per second. Um, what units??? inch?
[00:14:18] <paul_c> If you set units to 0.39....yadda... Yes.
[00:18:10] <Jymmm> ah, ok. Just wasn't sure what is related to what. but I'm getting there =)
[00:19:07] <paul_c> I wanna see that ugly number removed..
[00:19:48] <Jymmm> oh wth... I'm just jogging and it says it has a following error.
[00:21:11] <paul_c> What is your accel, max vel, & period set to
[00:22:06] <Jymmm> um Q doesn't work
[00:22:52] <Jymmm> ctrl+c does
[00:22:53] <paul_c> Ctrl-c
[00:23:59] <Jymmm> period 0.000025 maxvel 1 maxacc 200
[00:24:54] <paul_c> steps per unit (scale) ?
[00:25:18] <Jymmm> input scale 16000
[00:26:07] <paul_c> set maxvel to 0.3 & accel to 10
[00:27:17] <LawrenceG> maxacc of 200 is close to 1/2g ... pretty quick... leads to machine hopping
[00:28:08] <LawrenceG> try pauls settings... much better to start with
[00:28:24] <Jymmm> it barely moves...!
[00:28:42] <Jymmm> I thought 200 was 200 ipm
[00:28:44] <LawrenceG> 1 second to move an inch?
[00:28:58] <Jymmm> it says in units
[00:29:00] <LawrenceG> 3 sec to maove an inch
[00:29:21] <Jymmm> 0.3 is 3s to move 1 inch?
[00:29:36] <LawrenceG> 0.3"/sec
[00:29:56] <LawrenceG> if moves are ok... try faster
[00:30:06] <Jymmm> will try 2 now
[00:30:16] <Jymmm> too bad I have to restart everything every time
[00:30:54] <LawrenceG> 2"/sec is getting pretty fast... 120"/min
[00:31:46] <Jymmm> yep. it CAN do 135IPM, so we'll see
[00:31:46] <paul_c> with period=0.000025 and 16000 steps/inch, the MAX speed would be 1.25"/sec
[00:31:47] <LawrenceG> most stepper driven screws will have trouble getting there for various reasons
[00:32:22] <Jymmm> bah! following error again
[00:33:17] <paul_c> 1/(period 2 scale) = ABS_MAX speed
[00:33:59] <paul_c> 1/(period x 2 x scale) = ABS_MAX speed
[00:34:28] <Jymmm> damn X keeps restarting.
[00:34:41] <Jymmm> argh
[00:34:52] <paul_c> running axis ?
[00:34:54] <Jymmm> how can I temp kill X?
[00:35:08] <Jymmm> no using keystick remotely
[00:35:14] <paul_c> /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[00:35:36] <paul_c> then kill X
[00:35:49] <LawrenceG> ctrl alt backspace?
[00:36:14] <Jymmm> LawrenceG that just restarts it
[00:36:41] <paul_c> paul_c is now known as me_me_me
[00:36:49] <me_me_me> me_me_me is now known as paul_c
[00:38:13] <Jymmm> ok, so what should I change to not get the following errors and increase speed?
[00:38:36] <paul_c> scale
[00:39:12] <Jymmm> I thought scale was 1" travel == 1" dro
[00:39:20] <paul_c> reducing period will also get more speed
[00:39:44] <paul_c> Let's run through a few calcs...
[00:39:58] <paul_c> 200 step motors ?
[00:40:04] <Jymmm> yes
[00:40:13] <paul_c> direct drive or geared ?
[00:40:17] <Jymmm> geared 2:1
[00:40:23] <Jymmm> .2" pitch
[00:40:30] <paul_c> microstepping ?
[00:40:35] <Jymmm> yes 8th
[00:40:49] <Jymmm> (16000)
[00:41:07] <paul_c> can you do 1/4 stepping ?
[00:41:23] <Jymmm> um. I think its full, half, 8th
[00:42:07] <paul_c> OK... If you are not using X, reduce period to 0.000020, then try 1/2 stepping
[00:42:24] <Jymmm> mind you in mach2 I can get 100IPM
[00:42:49] <Jymmm> at 8th
[00:43:13] <paul_c> a genuine 100ipm ?
[00:43:23] <Jymmm> Yes, ruler and stopwatch
[00:44:23] <paul_c> on a 366MHz celeron ?
[00:44:54] <Jymmm> no, XP laptop P4 2.8GHz
[00:45:46] <Jymmm> Let me ask this... what IS a follow error actually?
[00:46:27] <paul_c> we can get as fast as that if you install BDI on the laptop.
[00:46:54] <Jymmm> My fujitsu laptop? Not a chance in hell =)
[00:46:59] <LawrenceG> stepping constraints cannot step the motor fast enough to keep up with the planned trajectory
[00:47:07] <paul_c> following error is the diff between commanded & actual position
[00:47:34] <Jymmm> ok, but somehow it's triggered by a calculation internally, correct?
[00:47:55] <paul_c> yes
[00:48:30] <Jymmm> but how is acutal position known to it?
[00:49:02] <paul_c> Now.. If you really want to do a back to back comparison between EMC & Mach2/3/4, you really should use the same hardware for both.
[00:49:57] <paul_c> otherwise it would be like comparing a Shelby Cobra with a Ford Escort
[00:50:06] <Jymmm> for shit and giggles, what should I increase PERIOD to since X isn't running?
[00:50:29] <paul_c> 0.000015
[00:51:02] <paul_c> then try 0.000010
[00:52:48] <LawrenceG> good ruck charlie... but good to know what the limit is
[00:53:21] <Jymmm> ok scooooooooby
[00:53:55] <Jymmm> heh... it didnt like a period of 10000 =)
[00:54:17] <paul_c> 0.0000125
[00:55:24] <Jymmm> bah... ferr
[00:55:27] <Jymmm> brb
[00:58:01] <LawrenceG> hey Paul.. how is 4.24 testing?
[00:58:34] <paul_c> attempting another upload
[01:03:01] <paul_c> 0.0000125 with keystick is fine on my 433MHz board
[01:03:18] <Jymmm> ok, I'm back
[01:03:59] <Jymmm> Would changing the para port from epp to something else help?
[01:04:07] <paul_c> btw END quits keystick
[01:04:30] <Jymmm> paul_c ok, then I must have putty keybindings fubared
[01:04:51] <paul_c> no point in changing parport mode - freqmod only knows standard mode
[01:05:02] <gezr> howdy yall
[01:05:02] <paul_c> buggerMe.... gezr
[01:05:29] <gezr> how are things?
[01:06:11] <paul_c> having a few "problems" uploading the latest to a server.
[01:06:35] <gezr> interesting
[01:06:49] <gezr> a lot of the net has had some problems recently, lots of rorouting going on
[01:06:55] <gezr> rerouting
[01:08:18] <Jymmm> hey, whats this ferror field?
[01:08:24] <Jymmm> set to 1.0
[01:08:46] <paul_c> there are two ferror settings...
[01:09:02] <paul_c> ferror is the max following error at full speed
[01:09:18] <paul_c> min_ferror kicks in at low feed rates.
[01:09:41] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[01:09:49] <Jymmm> well, any other suggestions to try out?
[01:10:22] <gezr> I found a source for trucite B way material
[01:10:40] <paul_c> south coast ?
[01:10:50] <gezr> up in wesconsion
[01:11:36] <gezr> $0.56/sq-inch
[01:11:51] <gezr> for 1/32 thick stuff
[01:12:08] <paul_c> Jymmm: Catch me over the weekend, and we can work through your ini
[01:12:14] <Jymmm> hmmm..... BUNCH of errors show up when starting keystick. (forgot to mention that)
[01:12:20] <Jymmm> paul_c ok, thanks.
[01:13:03] <paul_c> once again, way past bed time.
[01:13:18] <paul_c> later.
[01:13:20] <Jymmm> the wifey missing ya huh?
[01:13:34] <Jymmm> gezr whats that?
[01:15:14] <gezr> its a special plastic that rides on the wear surfaces, its provides slip/stick prevention as well as improved wear resistance, and vibration dampening to any sliding surface
[01:15:39] <gezr> its only down fall is that its not so good at over 900"/min travel rates
[01:15:54] <gezr> higher speeds give it some problems for some reason
[01:16:26] <gezr> but on a box or v way machine it provides superior results compared to metal-metal contact
[01:20:04] <AchiestDragon> is well upset , bidded £171 on this and bid didnot get there in time had 33 seconds left :( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8214942970
[01:26:30] <gezr> oh my beautiful
[01:28:07] <gezr> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Myford-Super-7-Lathe_W0QQitemZ7541954296QQcategoryZ112399QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[01:28:15] <gezr> there is one like it a bit more money though
[01:29:01] <AchiestDragon> not in an aria i can get it transported from
[01:29:13] <gezr> ah
[01:37:56] <gezr> I would love to own a myford lathe
[01:38:14] <gezr> I would cost me a ton of cash to get one shipped to the US though
[01:38:52] <AchiestDragon> dont thay sell them in the us ?
[01:40:11] <gezr> I think there is a place near me in North Little Rock that sells them but they are new and over 12,000$
[01:41:50] <AchiestDragon> i googled earlyer and before is swiched back to uk only sites and did another search it was showing companies in the us that sold s/h machines
[01:43:09] <AchiestDragon> one i looked at was $600 , it was the $ price that made me decide to re do the search for uk only
[01:44:11] <AchiestDragon> there was more , search was for "lathe for sale"
[01:44:52] <gezr> yeah, they are listed sometimes
[01:44:57] <AchiestDragon> but even in the uk from shops i would be looking at £400 +
[01:45:28] <gezr> Im going to rebuild what I have, then work on making one of my own design I guess
[01:46:08] <gezr> its almost cheap enough for me to have raw castings poured, however I have no idea how much mehenit(spelling) castings would cost
[01:46:58] <gezr> http://secure.enginemodels.com/cgi-bin/store/perlshop.cgi?action=enter&thispage=tools3.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!
[01:47:05] <gezr> that place is 45 minutes away
[01:47:57] <AchiestDragon> ouch ,, expencive
[01:48:30] <gezr> yeah
[01:48:36] <gezr> I dont have that sort of cash
[01:48:57] <gezr> beautiful machines, just a bit expensive
[01:50:30] <gezr> oh check this stuff out
[01:50:35] <gezr> http://www.sherline.com/jmfJor03.htm
[01:52:38] <AchiestDragon> http://www.chesteruk.net this place makes new ones and there price is reasonalble
[01:53:00] <AchiestDragon> dont know what the delevery would be to the us
[01:53:24] <gezr> they dont, uk delivery only
[01:58:16] <AchiestDragon> :) think i found something i do need more than a lathe
[01:58:19] <AchiestDragon> http://www.chesteruk.net/micromill.htm
[01:59:01] <AchiestDragon> £145 +£75 for the x/y
[02:00:53] <gezr> thats a small machine for sure
[02:01:44] <gezr> be sure to check out the mini mills pages before you get one
[02:01:52] <gezr> or google search for mini mill that is
[02:02:15] <gezr> that one looks a lot like a drill press, it may not have the bearings to do milling
[02:02:39] <AchiestDragon> well have also been thinking of a pillar drill with an x/y table
[02:03:04] <gezr> drill presses dont like to work as milling machines for very long
[02:03:19] <gezr> xy tables are mainly for repositioning for the next hole
[02:03:32] <AchiestDragon> for aluminium and plastic parts shouldent be a real problem
[02:03:39] <gezr> thats true
[02:57:32] <AchiestDragon> found another , 8"*2" bed 6"*3" cutting aria , no price , speeking of beds need to go find mine
[02:57:46] <AchiestDragon> http://www.cowells.com/PDF/vmm.pdf
[08:41:56] <anonimasu_> morning
[08:42:27] <anonimasu_> anonimasu_ is now known as anonimasu
[08:56:11] <ValarQ> mornin
[09:50:07] <CR750> Hi cradek. I'm still having difficulty with REALIZE.
[10:21:57] <CR750> ayt
[11:33:58] <CIA-4> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/emc/task/emctaskmain.cc: Bug fix to speed up program verify - Thanks Matt.
[12:17:03] <paul_c> \o/ Finally got BDI-4.24 uploaded without any errors.
[12:21:49] <CR750> I'd appreciate it if cradek could start a privat chat with me.
[12:22:16] <CR750> Good work, Paul
[12:22:41] <paul_c> cradek & jepler probably won't be up for another couple of hours.
[12:22:57] <CR750> ok
[12:23:00] <CR750> Tx Paul
[12:23:37] <paul_c> must be close to midnight for you..
[12:23:48] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[12:23:57] <anonimasu> I finally got good earl grey :)
[12:24:25] <CR750> Hey Paul, do you have a spare NC file I could do some testing with? isd.ngc must be designed with "inches" in mind.
[12:26:49] <CR750> 21:15
[12:27:31] <CR750> Still early, but SWMBO might pull me away from the screen
[12:27:34] <paul_c> 3D_Chips.ngc is metric
[12:27:49] <CR750> I'll give it a blast.
[12:28:22] <paul_c> I do have some other large files, but they are mostly in legacy units
[12:29:05] <CR750> I was uner the impression that a "g" could be set in the file so that it would work on *any* setting
[12:31:17] <paul_c> Should use G20 or G21 at the top of any ngc file, but most people don't
[12:32:31] <CR750> 8-)
[13:42:43] <cradek> CR750: good morning
[13:47:13] <cradek> CR750: drop me an email. maybe you should send your drawing file so I can look at it.
[13:57:03] <cradek> CR750: or, we should try to talk in my late evening (0100-0200 UTC) which I think is mid-day for you
[13:57:33] <cradek> CR750: chris@timeguy.com or from my website http://timeguy.com
[14:41:37] <paul_c> good morning America
[14:41:56] <steve_stallings> Hi Paul
[14:42:37] <paul_c> Wanted words with you Steve...
[14:42:55] <steve_stallings> Has Steve been a bad boy?
[14:43:22] <paul_c> remeber those two isa cards I had off you ?
[14:43:41] <steve_stallings> The single board computers?
[14:43:46] <paul_c> the Viper830 ones...
[14:44:01] <steve_stallings> yes
[14:44:07] <paul_c> duff batteries on both !
[14:44:33] <steve_stallings> You can send them back for a full refund....8-)
[14:45:01] <paul_c> wondered if you might say that...
[14:45:26] <steve_stallings> oh, and leave the new memory installed when you do.....
[14:45:36] <paul_c> not the sort of batteries the local rat shack stocks.
[15:32:02] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[18:16:58] <anonimasu> :)
[18:22:11] <Jymmm> :=)
[18:25:49] <Jymmm> If I understand this correctly.... a following error is caused when EMC receives one too many wait states to drive the motors in a smooth operation?
[18:26:34] <Jymmm> like when you were a kid and played 'stop and go' ?
[18:26:46] <Jymmm> or 'red light / green light'
[18:27:20] <paul_c> more like when you try to accelerate too fast..
[18:27:53] <paul_c> like stomping hard on the gas pedal and the engine goes bleeuug
[18:28:11] <Jymmm> Well, I'm trying to understnad what actually is being triggered here.
[18:29:09] <Jymmm> kinda like putting boxes on a conveyer belt, one every 10 seconds. If someone doens't remove them at the same rate, you get a pile up.
[18:29:29] <Jymmm> or in this case a 'following error' ?
[18:29:52] <Jymmm> btw... I'm dling 424 right now.
[18:30:20] <paul_c> * paul_c is uploading 4.25
[18:30:32] <Jymmm> should I stop?
[18:30:43] <Jymmm> I just start 60 seconds ago.
[18:31:09] <Jymmm> * Jymmm cancels dl
[18:31:46] <Jymmm> new change log?
[18:33:28] <Jymmm> what does 425 fix?
[18:34:24] <paul_c> slow verify of ngc files, fixed a small(ish) bug with tcl/tk libs (I hope X)
[18:34:43] <paul_c> new build of axis
[18:34:49] <Jymmm> ah, ok. cool
[18:36:06] <Jymmm> I wish admin cards weren't so expensive
[18:36:27] <Jymmm> or at least i386 hw could be run headless
[18:38:08] <paul_c> but i386 will run headless...
[18:39:03] <Jymmm> I mean like SUN hw... straight thru to the serial port.
[18:40:06] <Jymmm> When I run TkEMC on XP and the connection is lost, it doesn't auto-recover.
[18:40:51] <paul_c> no it wouldn't. the NML buffer read/writes would have timed out.
[18:41:45] <paul_c> Shut down & restart tkemc..
[18:42:32] <Jymmm> Yeah, that's what I've been doing. Just whining
[18:45:16] <Jymmm> Just never happy about kludgy lost connections =)
[18:49:42] <Jymmm> If this laptop does have enough balls, I do have a desktop P3 733 (810 chipset) I could use, then just use the laptop as a console.
[18:53:38] <Jymmm> Hey paul_c, I dont see 425 being uploaded atm.
[18:55:04] <paul_c> gimme a chance..
[18:55:10] <Jymmm> lol
[18:55:20] <Jymmm> no way man.... NOW NOW NOW!!!
[19:00:14] <anonimasu> Jymmm: does your machine move?
[19:00:23] <anonimasu> brb dinner
[19:02:08] <Jymmm> anonimasu: It moves, but I'm trying to get it to 100IPM
[19:11:09] <Jymmm> is there any reaosn I can't make /boot and / part of the same partition?
[19:13:00] <paul_c> sure.
[19:13:51] <paul_c> One pig partition, or loads of small ones, the choice is yours.
[19:14:03] <Jymmm> ok, I might setup a dual boot option instead then. Just running out of partitions =)
[19:14:58] <Jymmm> m$, /, swap.
[19:15:18] <paul_c> nope..
[19:15:30] <Jymmm> ?
[19:15:46] <paul_c> /boot, /, /vae, & swap
[19:16:01] <paul_c> dinner time..
[19:16:06] <steves_logging> Paul (or whomever controls such things), thanks for causing the IRC status channel to issue pings, my logging sessions no longer drop due to lack of traffic.
[19:17:21] <Jymmm> /vae ? and I wanted to place /boot and / on the same partitions is what I was asking
[19:18:58] <anonimasu> Jymmm: how many pulses per "
[19:19:25] <Jymmm> 2
[19:19:42] <anonimasu> um 2 pulses per inch?!
[19:19:51] <anonimasu> that sounds huge
[19:20:09] <Jymmm> I tried 200IPM (2), but got following errors.
[19:20:12] <anonimasu> or well that is rather huge..
[19:20:23] <Jymmm> just jogging.
[19:20:42] <anonimasu> what kind of accuracy are you expecting on your parts?
[19:21:28] <Jymmm> I'll deal with accuracy later. Right now I'm just trying to get the speed up. I can get 1235IPM under MAch2
[19:21:37] <Jymmm> 135 IPM
[19:21:58] <anonimasu> isnt mach2 hardware generated pulses..
[19:22:08] <Jymmm> no clue.
[19:22:23] <anonimasu> if you have 2 pulses per " you will be able to go as fast as you like
[19:22:39] <anonimasu> but well, you wont be able to do any precision work..
[19:23:18] <Jymmm> I'm not sure what you mean by pulses per inch. I dont see that setting in the ini.
[19:23:26] <anonimasu> INPUT_SCALE
[19:23:47] <Jymmm> ok, yeah, it's 2 iirc booting now
[19:23:47] <anonimasu> s/pulses/steps
[19:24:09] <anonimasu> you wont be able to machine stuff with detail under 0.5"
[19:25:33] <Jymmm> input scale is set at 16000 0
[19:25:55] <Jymmm> max_velocity was/is set at 1.0
[19:26:35] <anonimasu> Jymmm: dont expect to be able to get to that kind of speeds..
[19:26:46] <Jymmm> ?
[19:27:00] <anonimasu> that's lots of pulses per inch..
[19:27:08] <anonimasu> I cant remember where I hit the limit
[19:27:39] <anonimasu> but I wouldnt expect to be able to push out that manu pulses.
[19:27:43] <Jymmm> Well isn't the 16000 the value needed so that 1" on the DRO is 1" actual travel?
[19:28:06] <anonimasu> yes
[19:28:10] <anonimasu> but for 100ipm
[19:28:28] <anonimasu> you will be pushing out (16000*100)/60
[19:28:44] <anonimasu> pulses per sec
[19:28:57] <Jymmm> 27K pps
[19:29:47] <Jymmm> ok.... if I change scale to 4000, what will happen to the dro/trvael stuff?
[19:30:00] <anonimasu> are you just changing it randomly?
[19:30:15] <Jymmm> scale? no.
[19:30:30] <anonimasu> well 4000 pulses will equal one unit..
[19:30:31] <Jymmm> sqrt of 16000 == 4000
[19:30:43] <anonimasu> why do you sqrt it?
[19:30:52] <Jymmm> equal multiplier
[19:31:16] <Jymmm> just scaling it back.
[19:31:27] <anonimasu> yeah, well you could do that..4
[19:31:44] <Jymmm> what is the purpose of output scale?
[19:32:03] <anonimasu> I think it was for adc gain..
[19:32:07] <anonimasu> but as I've never used it I have no clue
[19:33:00] <Jymmm> ok if I change input to 4000, when I say jog 1", actual travel is only going to be 0.25" or will it be 4" ?
[19:33:11] <anonimasu> 0.25"
[19:33:28] <anonimasu> if you want more speed you will have to change your scaling at the drives..
[19:33:35] <anonimasu> err multiplier/microstepping
[19:33:54] <Jymmm> full, half, 8th
[19:34:09] <Jymmm> or get a USC is what your saying.
[19:35:09] <Jymmm> ok... lets back the hell up for a moment....
[19:35:56] <Jymmm> In perfect conditions, what is the fastest pulse train I can get out of a serial port no matter the OS/application?
[19:36:05] <Jymmm> s/serial/parallel/
[19:36:35] <anonimasu> paul_c: are you there?
[19:36:41] <Jymmm> he's at dinner
[19:40:28] <Jymmm> I'm just trying to understand it all =)
[19:41:19] <anonimasu> I cranked up ok
[19:42:54] <anonimasu> I cranked up the cycletimes to get the max speed out of it..
[19:43:03] <anonimasu> but well, ended up half killing the ui
[19:43:14] <anonimasu> and gave me that tcl/tk/pthreads bug
[19:50:26] <Jymmm> cracnked what up?
[19:50:39] <anonimasu> period
[19:50:43] <Jymmm> ah
[20:01:48] <Jymmm> I thought your USC board was suppose to resolve such things?
[20:04:25] <anonimasu> yes.
[20:04:28] <anonimasu> but I didnt have the USC before
[20:04:56] <Jymmm> I thought you said you just cranked it up... like within the last few minutes?
[20:05:18] <anonimasu> heh
[20:08:59] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs I cant find my cd case
[20:16:23] <Jymmm> I can't miss mine.... it weights a ton
[21:02:10] <Jymmm> brb
[22:11:28] <anonimasu> evening
[22:13:33] <Jymmm> =)
[22:15:35] <anonimasu> what's up?
[22:16:09] <Jymmm> atm... uninstalling yahoo 7 and reinstalling yahoo 6
[22:16:28] <Jymmm> but, had to find yahoo 6 first, sigh.
[22:16:36] <Jymmm> bastards
[22:16:52] <anonimasu> ok
[22:16:56] <anonimasu> I am drawing some
[22:17:29] <Jymmm> They nag you to upgrade, so I upgraded to get rid of the nag screen, but at idle it's taking up 35MB.
[22:17:57] <Jymmm> I could care less about their voice features.
[22:18:15] <anonimasu> yep
[22:18:57] <Jymmm> I'm trying to figure out what to do now that the laptop isn't fast enough for 100 IPM
[22:19:08] <robin_sz> meep?
[22:19:15] <anonimasu> hello robin
[22:19:16] <robin_sz> * robin_sz returns from New York
[22:19:24] <robin_sz> greetings :)
[22:19:38] <AchiestDragon> hi
[22:20:01] <robin_sz> Manhattan is ... well, think of a dirty version of london, with more smells
[22:20:44] <robin_sz> so Mr Dragon, built your framework yet?
[22:20:52] <AchiestDragon> yes
[22:20:56] <robin_sz> kewl
[22:21:11] <robin_sz> does it work?
[22:21:35] <AchiestDragon> give me a min and i'll upload picture to website
[22:21:40] <robin_sz> 'k
[22:22:08] <robin_sz> mmm, some nice 25A solid state 3 pahse relays turned from ebay
[22:22:19] <AchiestDragon> need bigger steppers ,, can move the y (with no load ) but the z no way
[22:22:39] <robin_sz> well, yeah
[22:22:49] <robin_sz> so ...
[22:23:02] <robin_sz> going to get the Llllanelli man to sell you some?
[22:23:39] <AchiestDragon> http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/cncz004.jpg
[22:23:57] <AchiestDragon> :(
[22:23:59] <AchiestDragon> 1 min
[22:24:12] <AchiestDragon> http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/cncz4.jpg
[22:24:28] <AchiestDragon> :) better
[22:24:39] <robin_sz> hmmm
[22:25:04] <robin_sz> youve been busy
[22:25:20] <robin_sz> can I make one suggestion?
[22:25:25] <AchiestDragon> got the x feed to sort , and a bit of finishing breaceing
[22:25:29] <AchiestDragon> yes
[22:25:36] <robin_sz> if you can,
[22:25:50] <robin_sz> lower the Y axis rails to the very minimum you need
[22:26:08] <robin_sz> like, 2" not 12"
[22:26:25] <robin_sz> that will pay big dividends
[22:26:58] <AchiestDragon> k , its easy to change , have been thinking of re doing the z axis also
[22:27:37] <robin_sz> if the top Y rails were spaced as they are now
[22:27:49] <robin_sz> and the top one was where the bottom one is now ...
[22:28:17] <robin_sz> I should find you the pictures of the one I built ...
[22:29:36] <robin_sz> http://www.quacky.co.uk/~robin/cnc2.htm
[22:31:34] <robin_sz> and the stuff I made on it ....
[22:31:38] <robin_sz> http://www.quacky.co.uk/~robin/woodcarve_old/
[22:31:44] <robin_sz> click "samples"
[22:32:05] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[22:32:33] <AchiestDragon> kool
[22:32:54] <robin_sz> anonimasu: yes, I kmow ... seen it before ..
[22:33:02] <robin_sz> anonimasu: but Mr Dragon hadnt
[22:33:34] <robin_sz> actually, I can show you what it makes now ...
[22:33:53] <anonimasu> * anonimasu slaps robin_sz
[22:34:06] <anonimasu> silly rabbit.. :D it's not your stuff I am yawning at
[22:34:13] <anonimasu> how's life going?
[22:34:55] <anonimasu> I am starting to get tired, I've just had 6 hours of sleep in the afternoon :D
[22:35:11] <robin_sz> heh,
[22:35:20] <robin_sz> I just flew overnight from NYC
[22:35:26] <robin_sz> spent a day in Geneva
[22:35:32] <robin_sz> flew to Luton
[22:35:34] <robin_sz> and then drove
[22:35:37] <robin_sz> home
[22:35:40] <robin_sz> all on no sleep
[22:35:50] <anonimasu> rough
[22:36:10] <robin_sz> knackered
[22:36:13] <robin_sz> http://www.hps-tr.com/images/ultraStocks/fr703.jpg
[22:36:19] <robin_sz> see that handgrip ...
[22:37:03] <anonimasu> ah, that was the competition guns you were talking about before..
[22:37:09] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:37:15] <anonimasu> nice stuff
[22:37:26] <robin_sz> the router makes the handgrips, in several flavours
[22:37:34] <robin_sz> s,m,l left and right handed
[22:37:50] <robin_sz> plus a more "ergonomic" one
[22:37:51] <anonimasu> do you do custom grips
[22:37:55] <robin_sz> nah
[22:38:01] <anonimasu> ok :)
[22:38:23] <robin_sz> althoug we might fiddle a bit mroe in Rhino
[22:38:35] <robin_sz> we made wooden models and had them 3d scanned
[22:38:38] <anonimasu> I was thinking about digitizing from imprints..
[22:38:39] <robin_sz> cost a fortune
[22:38:49] <robin_sz> yeah, I can imagine
[22:38:53] <anonimasu> that'd rock :D
[22:39:13] <robin_sz> we thought about some sort of grip with a plastic bag full of epoxy ...
[22:39:27] <anonimasu> yeah that would be as neat
[22:39:30] <robin_sz> mix it up, squeezy wheezy
[22:39:55] <robin_sz> but it needs to *look* good ..
[22:40:18] <robin_sz> that stock 9without barrel and trigger) is errm .. not cheap :)
[22:40:31] <anonimasu> what?
[22:40:44] <anonimasu> 9$ ?
[22:41:02] <AchiestDragon> what you could do is a bag , get them to hold it as though it was a grip , fill it with the foam filler spray , then you got a patern to work from
[22:41:08] <robin_sz> 1200 quid
[22:41:49] <robin_sz> yeah, but .. that mean s they have to come to be fittted etc
[22:41:55] <robin_sz> becomes a pain in the tits
[22:42:41] <robin_sz> ends up taking as long to do a custom grip as an entire stock ...
[22:42:56] <robin_sz> so a reallistic price would be another �1200 I guess
[22:43:07] <anonimasu> robin_sz: well, if I were shopping for the best stuff traveling a bit wouldnt matter..
[22:43:15] <anonimasu> it's not like thoose are your ordinary no brand guns :)
[22:43:20] <robin_sz> well yeah
[22:43:21] <robin_sz> true
[22:43:40] <robin_sz> we're hping to do small, medium large
[22:43:43] <robin_sz> and 3 shapes
[22:43:44] <AchiestDragon> and if thay where that interested the price would not eather
[22:43:54] <robin_sz> smooth, ergonomic
[22:43:55] <anonimasu> yeah..
[22:43:58] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[22:44:01] <robin_sz> and half way between the two
[22:44:10] <robin_sz> in left and right hand variants
[22:44:38] <robin_sz> but a moldable one has been thought about
[22:45:48] <Jymmm> no brand guns? is that like no serial number guns?
[22:46:03] <robin_sz> no brand?
[22:46:18] <Jymmm> <anonimasu> it's not like thoose are your ordinary no brand guns :)
[22:46:24] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[22:46:33] <robin_sz> oh these are a branded gun
[22:46:40] <robin_sz> http://www.hps-tr.com/ultraStocks.htm
[22:46:48] <anonimasu> well, not ordinary guns..
[22:47:07] <robin_sz> yeah, pretty specialist I guess
[22:47:32] <robin_sz> with barrel and action and sights .. close to 4K I guess
[22:47:34] <Jymmm> oh foooy.... I want no serial num guns.... like the old winchesters.
[22:48:05] <robin_sz> Hey Jymmm I was in NYC yesterday .. did you wave?
[22:48:11] <anonimasu> Jymmm: you can have no serial num guns elsewhere..
[22:48:18] <anonimasu> like in NYC ;)
[22:48:34] <Jymmm> anonimasu these are legal no S/N guns =)
[22:48:51] <robin_sz> Jymmm: or "old crap" as I call them
[22:49:10] <anonimasu> robin_sz: agreed
[22:49:11] <Jymmm> tis ok
[22:49:21] <anonimasu> why would you want thoose guns?
[22:49:43] <anonimasu> or well maybe because they are collector items..(if they are)
[22:49:48] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:49:55] <robin_sz> there is a vintage rifle society
[22:50:04] <robin_sz> they try and hit barn doors with them
[22:50:09] <Jymmm> I have a 1867 (iirc)
[22:50:18] <anonimasu> old crap..
[22:50:19] <anonimasu> :D
[22:50:26] <robin_sz> interesting things .. that they survive that long
[22:50:46] <robin_sz> many go crystalline in the barel and explode when fired
[22:51:12] <Jymmm> crystalline ?
[22:51:17] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:51:30] <robin_sz> the metal chnages
[22:51:35] <robin_sz> over a very long time
[22:51:46] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands it to robin_sz.... here you fire it
[22:52:00] <robin_sz> feck no
[22:52:12] <anonimasu> I like the modern rifles more :)
[22:53:00] <robin_sz> Tikka?
[22:53:11] <anonimasu> tikka?
[22:53:23] <robin_sz> famous Finnish rifle maker
[22:53:36] <anonimasu> yeah looked it up
[22:53:40] <anonimasu> never shot with one
[22:54:07] <AchiestDragon> found thease on ebay any good ?? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Superior-Stepper-Motor-type-42-series_W0QQitemZ7542752374QQcategoryZ26209QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[22:54:32] <anonimasu> robin_sz: I've got the usc pushing my machine along nicely now
[22:55:23] <robin_sz> AchiestDragon: probably a bit big for your machine to be honest
[22:55:30] <A-L-P-H-A> tonka! the famous yellow toy truck manufacturer!
[22:55:37] <robin_sz> probably off an old bridgeport mill
[22:55:49] <robin_sz> anonimasu: nice ... smooth is it?
[22:56:14] <robin_sz> AchiestDragon: and, cannot be driven off your drives either
[22:56:53] <AchiestDragon> yes know about the driver's not beeing up to it
[22:57:09] <robin_sz> AchiestDragon: �40 is quite expensive for a very old motor I think
[22:57:35] <anonimasu> yeah very
[22:58:00] <AchiestDragon> and 11.50 postage each :(
[22:58:10] <robin_sz> well, they re HUGE
[22:58:15] <robin_sz> as in HUGE
[22:58:24] <robin_sz> say, 5" diameter, 12" long
[22:58:50] <AchiestDragon> have not checked the size yet
[22:59:45] <robin_sz> maybe 4" dia
[23:00:20] <AchiestDragon> 5" dia looks about right given that the cable gland hole should be about 7/8"
[23:01:36] <AchiestDragon> think thay would pull the machine apart if it hit the end stops
[23:03:58] <anonimasu> :D
[23:11:24] <AchiestDragon> well theres this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stepper-motors-driver-CNC-mill-machine-lathe-workshop_W0QQitemZ7542364521QQcategoryZ12584QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[23:11:39] <AchiestDragon> but only 2 unknown steppers with it
[23:20:49] <anonimasu> hm
[23:25:41] <AchiestDragon> given the connector shell style i would say its a late 80's unit but other than that , the manufactures website dosent even have a search so no more info
[23:27:45] <AchiestDragon> sahouldent be a problem modifying it , use the same psu , and strip back all the unneeded electronics so i can jsut give it step and dir pulses
[23:31:04] <AchiestDragon> maybe even fit a new trasformer for 22v ,, anyway emailed him asking if theres a part number or info on the steppers , if thay look good then ok
[23:31:19] <AchiestDragon> 22v = 220v
[23:35:14] <Jymmm> you're alive A-L-P-H-A?
[23:46:48] <AchiestDragon> ty for tip about reducing hight of y axis , just been mesuring will shorten it by 12" that also leaves me enough unistrut to make 4 6" legs so dont have to buy antoher 3M lenth , and will mod the z axis to match
[23:49:20] <AchiestDragon> btw is the live cd download for emc working correctly yet
[23:54:06] <AchiestDragon> :( still says download size is 194Mb not 465Mb so guess not