well, I chosen them :)
dewalt is B&D
internationaltool.com is a good site ...
B&D bought out dewalt?
about 10 years ago
also bosch have 2 series i think
B&D have a reputation for making crap in the UK
standard and professional
bosck green is crap
it made the difference
I bought a Craftsman Prof 2.25 HP variable speed router + the 2yr instant replacement warranty
DeWalt doa range of routers with electronic control ..
Jymmm: Craftsman ? never heard here :(
Jacky^ : Craftsman is Sears
the DEWDW618 looks nice .. 179 dollars
the name dont say nothing to me..
it's US exclusive maybe ?
Sears, Roebuck and Co.
only been around about a hundred years or so
hm, this reminds me of that big scary router les posted..
cant remember the name..
Jacky^ Sears, Roebuck and Co. is a department store here in the US
never heard of them
Jymmm: I've seen the link
Jacky^ they carry their own line of products, their handtools have a lifetime warranty.
their electrical tools are OEM
Yeah, it's actually a 'lifetime satisfaction warranty' on hand tools.
The 'Craftsman Drill Press' I have is really a delta
here many things are made in order to be consumed
here, if it's not on the shelf you usually lost the sale to the store next door
these guarantees do not exist
Sears is open 7 days a week, so if the router breaks at 11am on a Sunday morning, I can instantly replace it.
no need to send it in for repair.
Jymmm: very nice service
well, that's with the extended warranty I bought.... an additional $30
think for a router that work 24/24 ...
they repair it?
or they say that it has been used in improper way?
Nah, Sears has a liberal return policy. You usually dont get any slack from the clerks
I could not enjoy this service here
I will buy a Dewalt
[00:18:15] <Jymmm> http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00926620000&bidsite=CRAFT
that is what I have Jacky^
seem very nice
I think les likes porter cable, but I think he uses the bigger ones... like 5hp
the quietest ones are mikta iirc
* Yuga likes the one for 2k... :)
how proceed the machine job ?
yes... i am still around :)
the machine is comming along nicely
think i have all the needed cash
the ballscrews have broken the bank
Yuga: got a pictures of ballscrews you chosen ?
Jacky^: the big dewalt I had was probably too big ... I loved the quality, and the electronic control ... perhaps a smaller one with electronic control will be a better choice
[00:30:29] <Yuga> http://www.mcmaster.com/
<--- search for ball screw... that's the buggers
apple finally launched a 3 button mouse
robin_sz... that was like months ago :P
robin_sz: well, I will hold account of your suggestions
you know what they say about Mac users?
bunch of wankers?
one button mice, for one braincell users
robin_sz... u killed the convo!!!
thats OK, you shold have seen the religious war I started on the gecko list ;)
* anonimasu has samba running again
on the mill
oops, look slike Cisco is in the doo doo
wonder how long before an IOS exploit hits the 'net?
if not less..
No way! Will neve...NO CARRIER...
oooops, guess I spoke too soon! lol
I FINALLY got all the files transfered over, but I think I'm gonna run out of romm on the HDD indexing them =(
only 600MB left
[02:28:02] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.petebevin.com/archives/2005/03/10/firefox_popups.html
A-L-P-H-A thats the best thing I've heard from you all week =)
A-L-P-H-A how ya doin?
I haven't even been here.
I've been out most days
spending money I don't have. :(
A-L-P-H-A I know, just pullin your chain =)
A-L-P-H-A well, whatcha buying?
won some poker money as well... nothing huge.
it's so difficult to find a good font manager =(
Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
well nearly afternoon :P
I spent last night setting up the mill and overslept for work..
but I need the mill to prototype some part for work.. so it's not a big issue..
oh yes... hows that comming along?
the toolpath is done, I just need to put some plastic on the mill :)
how long it take u to get the toolpath right?
hm, a couple of minutes
u make it sound like a huge stepping stole :)
stole = stone
did you see the part?
a broken emc wont make parts :)
the one i said u need some colorfull buttons on?
[10:02:22] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/panel.jpg
and u going to use the superglue idea :)
going to charge u to the right's on that idea :)
I am not using superglue.. I'll be using a thick piece of plastic and machine it almost through
how big is this thing u are making?
lol... make your plans smaller... looks friggin huge there :P
I wish it were 9m
A_Guy is now known as Yuga
good morning :)
nothing realy good about this morning
is there a emc 2 emc2 migragionguide or changes log or something ? seems like configs have changed, also freqmod isnt there
actualy dont think it was worth waking up
yuga: @ work ? ;)
yuga: so what, go bed to bed ;)
but this is where i work...
yes... am contemplating going back to bed and wake up tomorro
has its pros and cpons :)
48hours of sleep has never killed any one
i dont think
but then again.... i could make history :P
i think the same, aslong as your not dehydratin or freezing while asleep
what is with all u ppl?????????????????
Jacky^... there is noooooo such thing as a good morning
what happen ?
hmm, motmod is my friend :)
the sun came up... that's what happened
make the big evil ball in the sky go away!
ah.. here today strong wind :S
same here... and it's friggin cold
not a good day for paint :)
contemplaying turing the aircon on
friggin y and t are to close on the key board :P
yuga: on mine its about 80mm distance ;)
just use a qwertz layout ;)
for more sunshine
mine was about 20m apart the other day... got pissed off... snaped keyboard in half... and tossed the one half
the other half was still atached to the pc or i would of tossed it to :)
i ment barbarian
well keyboards are cheap... so it wasnt that bad :)
my one bud got pissed off and snaped his expencive remote in half :)
300$ later :)
yuga: also a possibility
maybe the learningfactor is higher this way
ok... i am off to go have some tea
try to trash something valuable on the way ;)
of course only things you own
hmm, emc2 doesnt want to return from an estop
ha, got it )
Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
hi anonimasu :)
cncuser: if you need any help with setting up emc2 I might be able to help you out
anonimasu: thank you. i got emc2 up and running (as root, dont know why it needs uid 0). i think next thing will be adjusting the ini so my circles dont look like elipses ;)
anonimasu: right :)
the only way that should happen is if you have your input_scale's set wrong..
or well miscalculated
the reason it needs uid0 is because it has to load modules :)
unless you donwloaded and compiled it as root
anonimasu: i havent changed anything but the min/max limits in the ini. i think i must configure it for my steppers (like how much degrees = much steps / total spin around)
cncuser: what input_scale is steps per unit..
anonimasu: i c ;) ok, so emc too, but the sudo was hidden in the startscript
cncuser: just change input_scale right and you should be on your way :)
huch, ok, now i need the specs, damn vtiff images ;(
its hsm265-sc2 steppers, for anyone interested
this looks good: INPUT_SCALE = pulses for revolution / traveldistance
form an faq
pulses per UNIT
in the config file
hmm, ok the rest i have to meassure myself
what are your screws?
it's much better to calculate it
anonimasu: hmm, dont know, but i find out.
if you do find out I can help you calculate it :)
and your gearing
do you have any gearing at all
or do you do direct drive?
no gears, direct drive, the steppers are mountet on the spindle
just set your INPUT_SCALE=pulses per turn
then you should be good to go :)
hm, there is a second value in the INPUT_SCALE options line, saying 0
I have no idea what that does..
but you shuld leave it as 0
yesy, ill do that ;)
now i take a look at output_scale
anonimasu: DAC offset for servo systems
a the same
paul_c: ah thanks :)
paul_c: is the change you made to the tp into the pub cvs yet?
paul_c: btw, thanks for the debs :)) i heard you made them :)
yes. both emc1 & 2
cncuser: What server have you been using ?
I finally found motivation to work on the QT stuff again
paul_c: the repository on the bdi cdrom ;)
There is also a repo with some updates....
so I might finally get something done
paul_c: whats the feed ?
i love updates ;)
anonimasu: Got the NML hooks split out ready for slots to be attached.
milling on the edge ;)
paul_c: you mailed me the code before, if i remember it right
or have you been doing any more work on it?
anonimasu: Not on the Qt stuff directly.
just prepping the NML hooks for the next stage.
mind mailing me the stuff you've got so far?
I kind of stopped since I had no idea about the diff between libnml and rcslib..
The following packages will be upgraded:
anonimasu: As far as programming for, there is no difference between libnml & rcslib.
A couple of low level class names have changed from all upper case to lower case.
INIFILE is now Inifile
ah not a big deal then... I looked throuch the source earlier today before I went to work :)
LINKEDLIST is now LinkedList
dont know y they where all in uppercase to start with
Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
Yuga: You really don't want to look at the low level NML code...
paul_c: as for interface I was thinking something centroid-ish
thats betta... cause it still isnt looking any better
besides... it's afternoon now :)
seen the interface they have?
atleast it is in the right direction
HMI interface ?
yeah the gui..
for loading and stuff..
no I haven't
[11:17:22] <anonimasu> http://www.centroidcnc.com/
some one show me a screen shot... i am feeling left in the dark!
fullscreen with tabs on the bottom..
"Your browser doesn't support the navigation menu of this website. Please upgrade your browser to view this site."
and then a redirect that does go nowhere ;)
some admin gonna have something todo today
are you talking about guis ?
[11:19:42] <anonimasu> http://www.centroidcnc.com/cad2cnc.htm
trying to find a good screenshot
[11:20:22] <anonimasu> http://www.centroidcnc.com/m400.htm
whats with axis ?
I dont run axis...
i tried it, but it crashes really often. alltough if i dont do any window resizing i got it up for 30 minutes
looks rather, um... DOSish.
yeah, but easy to use..
is there a color named cnc blue ? :)
or well looks like it..
brb. server restart
reminds me on emc guis :)
we can continue the talk later
the thing i dont get right now is the manualcontrol via curser keys, seems that sometimes up is + an down i - but then down is doiwn, and right is + and then i jum again into another axes (by accident)...
with emc and emc2 x guis
I've an issue with ini file
after i changed PERIOD variable, the speed of any axis can't work as before
what value are you using ?
i'm using 0.00020 now
could you take a look to my ini file ?
[11:27:57] <Jacky^> http://rafb.net/paste/results/4WXEXx38.html
paul_c: it work well now
I mean don't crash as before
but the axis speed is very slow
i get following error
[AXIS_n] CYCLE_TIME = 0.001
was this the reason of slow speed ?
paul_c: thanks a lot :)
do you have plans on building a new gui ?
although... The max speed is clamped at 480mm/min
anonimasu_: I'll have to get those changes committed to SF
for, as im new into that whole cnc thing, i do have to learn anything from the bottom anyhow. i thought axis is gonna be the "bigfootprint nice looks" default gui for emc2
cncuser: Axis is maintained externally to the code at sourceforge.
paul_c: i know, but i thought you may be somehow connected, for axis works only for emc/2... so it depends hardly on it
anonimasu... hows that screen shot comming along?
anonimasu_: I'll have to get those changes committed to SF (in case you missed it)
hmm, hardlys not what i ment. ignore that. bad german->englishtranslation
yeah I did miss it
paul_c: please do :)
who is working on the new gui ?
* paul_c points at anonimasu
what gui toolkit do you use ?
anonimasu: you want anonimasu_ kicked ?
paul_c: no, it's the server back at home
ssh:ing from work is too slow so I use mirc here instead
anonimasu: hehe, that sounds really slow
cncuser: anonimasu has been looking at Qt for a new GUI
anonimasu: id like to assist you with translations, graphics and sound if you like too. maybe i learn a little programming on the way :)
cncuser: has you experience in 3D image manipulation ?
that'll be a later issue though I am pretty new to QT myself
cncuser: I don't think sound is of much use on a CNC controller....
jacky: no, but i know a few people who do. why ?
I'll start a wiki page so we can discuss about what we do need..
paul_c: well, a heavy fat nervkilling alarm sound would be nice ;)
cncuser: i'm looking for a software to use in order to acquire models with 3D homebuild scanner
but you'd use a klaxon for that
the only sound perferably is a hardware beeper ;)
a big one
I like the centroid style.. because it something similair would work with a touchscreen
anonimasu: looked into fltk ?
jacky: ic, well, what does acquire mean ?, what data do you have ?
cncuser: I like qt, because it's easy to code with :)
[11:46:25] <paul_c> http://www.splinescan.co.uk/
anonimasu: hehe, ok.
paul_c: nice :)
cncuser: I think there's a lot of work todo around 3D acquisition..
[11:52:56] <paul_c> http://www.kitware.com/case/vtk/visbox.html
I like this article: http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/
great work :)
The motivations behind this project are to advance the technology of 3D scanning, to place this technology in the service of the humanities, and to create a long-term digital archive of some important cultural artifacts.
it seem to me a noble initiative
i am tieng to manually move the steppers via emc2 but get estops all the time, an messageboxes that say Error: "join 0,1 fllowing error"
an hints ?
increase your ferror
anonimasu: thanks, ill look at it :)
btw, i noticed there is cups running on the bdi, thats not good
MIN_FERROR = 0.010, FERROR = 0.050 what doi the values stand for ?
that used to be 0.01 "
ah, i may have inch an mm mismatch
err used to be "
it's mm now
set min_ferror to 0.2
and max ferror to 1.27
magic number ? :)
cncuser: nah just calculated the " to mm
to match your setup..
hehe ;) thanks
if you still get it you might be trying to run too fast..
you might have to tweak them a bit.. :)
try running it now
i'll be back after break
some possibilitie to include values for identical axes would make the ini smaller
hmm, it moves really slow now
i have some obscure servo motion controller cards that im planning to use for my cnc mill, how hard is it to adapt emc to using unsupported hardware? would i be better off waiting for emc2?
delacroix: emc2 is quite useable...
either way, you would still need to write a driver..
How obscure is the motion card ?
its marketed as a 5650a kontron but its also sold by a few other companies
do you have docs about it?
i have the full docs, windows drivers, etc
register address:es and stuff?
yep, got all the addresses in the sw manual
do you program anything at all?
i have written drivers under qnx before, and im a robotics researcher atm, so have quite a few clever people around to bug for help
Do you have the manual(s) in pdf or paper ?
delacroix: are you familiar with trajectory planning?
anonimasu: not really, i have got a fair bit of learning to do
delacroix: Could you email the manual ?
sure, whats your address?
paul_c: I bought a real cnc mill last night!
real to me anyway
You got Gizmo's machine ?
got a pic?
or a model ?
nope. B'port 2J with Centroid M-40 control
4th axis rotary table too
30 nmtb tooling
I'll take pics this weekend
good enough for me
30nmbt - Is that the stuff with a drawbar ?
uses the knurled ring and spanner wrench
watch the price of the tooling - 30QC is not the same as INT30
flange is smaller on the 30QC
and the gauge line is ever so slightly divverent
ok. I'll watch out for that.
* paul_c uses 30QC on the Interact II
this one had tooling marked 30nmtb with it
It's got a lot of tooling with it. I'll try it all out first
most of my tooling is marked Bristol Erickson
I saw a collet holder marked Erickson #30 NMTB that comes with it
Hang on to the tooling - That stuff is (at times) worth more than the mill.
I'm going to get all of that this Sunday.
I'm calling riggers this morning to get quotes on moving it across town
the centroid control is circa 1997 DOS based
when it gives me trouble... out it goes
it's probably got Glentek servo amps and some sort of DA card in it
I'll check that out right away
good talking with you. I need to go to work
dinner time for me.
catch yer later.
* paul_c -> food
has any one heard of ppl using corel draw as there cad program? heard something about it the other day
and it does have a way to export files as a cad file
delacroix: Just scanned through the docs...
sorry, was afk
what do u think?
Can you get the source code for the lib ?
paul_c: the trouble with changing modes are still there..
i dont have the library source, all i have is header lib and dll, but i havent tried asking the company yet, they might be helpful as the card must be obsolete by now
the gui locks up
you can push stuff but nothing happens..
paul_c: do you have any clue why this happens?
paul_c: the other option i have is to drop the library through ida and see what milage i get, but that would be a fair bit of work
anonimasu: you need to be a little more verbose in describing the problem..
paul_c: same as before
paul_c: I change mode, it does not change mode..
paul_c: I can move it manually but I cant change mode..
I've this is the same as on my bug report before
it happens occasionally
delacroix: Looking at the acs-tech80 web page, they say source code is available.
paul_c: do you have a link? when i checked all i could find is the source download i have here, which is the api for windows
[14:10:17] <paul_c> http://www.acs-tech80.co.il/pages/products_content.asp?intGlobalId=439&intParentId=438
is the page I'm looking at....
But I think you'd need to get in contact with them direct.
cheers, i missed the rtos line on that page when i looked last
paul_c: I cant check it now as I dont have X access to the box when I am at work
in a hour maybe..
anonimasu: Can you set up an ssh session ?
for me to log in ?
'k... We running in /home/an0n ?
I tweaked the period before I left and didnt have a chance to test it out, but it should show the same..
I went homne to grab some stuff and did some circles :)
lemme run the sucker on this box now I have your ini.
switching to mdi mode a couple of times should show the problem
deos the whole computer lock up or just the GUI ?
just the gui
or rather the "mode" change..
I can jog the machine
with the + and - buttons
NML is showing the mode change ?
it prints something..
I think tkemc does not get a confrimation from emc..
ir prints the request I am sure.
I'm pretty certain I know the root of the problem...
tell me about it*curious*
just making a couple of "changes" to confirm...
when you get home, try running it again...
yeah I will
Have recompiled it, but not having X, I can't test.
I'll be home in 30 minute to a hour at most
need to find this error on the plc first :)
why can't you guys run X over ssh?
cradek: because of the firewall at work
and well the lag..
I thought you said you had ssh access though
yes but it's slow :)
yeah it usually requires patience
cradek whats your url again?
thanks, for some reason I kept thinking tinytim
must have coffee....................
before I dive into anything, you have any suggestions to print out (pdf) a font face sample? I have like 30K TTF fonts and I was thinking of some glorified shell script, but seems a bit cheesey
no ideas here
I was thinking ImageMagick, but gawd it can be slow
or maybe postscript
I bet someone has already written something to do this
I think so too, but...
cradek you have any sample pic of the output of image-to-gcode ?
no, I never bothered to take one
just make the gcode and look at it in preview
I did some engraving with a .010 mill with scanlines .003 or so apart
hows does the final product looked are being machined?
it looked great
I don't understand that question
hows does the final product looked after being machined?
depends on the distance between scanlines
it looks exactly how you would expect
That doesn't cut it... I have two differetn samples here of engraved photos and one looks AWESOME, the other looks like crap (imo).
I don't know what you want from me
the software generates scanlines with the depth proportional to the pixel values
if you make the scanlines really close, that will do a good job reproducing the image
if you don't, it will do a bad job, but more quickly
there's no magic here
let me see if I can post this image up, gimme a sec....
can't undestant why input and output scale in axis 1 (Y) need to be double value of others
Jacky^: the microstep settings are different?
all 3 motors are the same model
the controllers are different
I guess that maybe controller on axis 1 is working in half-setp mode..
but I dont know how tu get half step there :(
you should always use half step. whole stepping works badly
half step mode its better than full ?
Jymmm: posted yet?
anonimasu : still looking for it, hold on
another strange thing, axis X-Z are working with 5 as vel. value, on axis Y I can't put a value up to 2.2 withou get following error ..
should the axis Y be fast as the others ?
is Y the one with double the scale?
you may be reaching your maximum pulse rate
you may need to decrease PERIOD
i was using the default value: 0.0002
but sometime emc was crashing
so, I changed it to 20
* Jymmm pokes cradek with a bent leadscrew
[16:34:48] <Jymmm> http://photos.yahoo.com/jymmm/
cradek that's what I'm talkin about =)
sorry it took so long, had to reshoot it
nice.. smthg you did?
did you see the scale?
yeah.. but it's in limbo
each pic is about 1/3" wide
Yeah, I wish! The head for that machien alone is $4K, the machine costs $20K USD
has anonimasu_ got home yet ?
paul_c: still there?
Issuing EMC_TASK_SET_MODE -- (+504,+16, +22, +1,)
emcTaskIssueCommand() returning: 0
emcStatus->motion.traj.mode = 1
Issuing EMC_TASK_SET_MODE -- (+504,+16, +22, +1,)
emcTaskIssueCommand() returning: 0
emcStatus->motion.traj.mode = 1
ssuing EMC_TASK_SET_MODE -- (+504,+16, +23, +2,)
emcTaskIssueCommand() returning: 0
then it stops working
is the ssh hole still open ?
you are still logged in I thnik
can you /msg me th IP address again ?
can you /msg me the root password ?
Jymmm: but why would you want that?
"no reason" (adjusts halo to hide horns)
anonimasu_: any luck?
anonimasu: any luck?
did I miss anything?
heh, I thought Fred was some old fart! lol
not really ;)
just saw his pic on NIST
what day is it today
anonimasu : http://photos.yahoo.com/jymmm/
anonimasu oh you saw it already, nm.
no I havent seen it
is that ok result?
Jymmm: ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THAT?
did you get the machine?
anonimasu : That sample has been sitting on my desk collecting dust for about 3 years. I had to retake the shot today becasue I couldn't find the previous one.
Shit.... it's only 1/2" wide
the scanlines are pretty visible..
mostly the way I took the photo, difficulty on shiny brass
I dont have lighting setup right now
those are probably scratches more than scan lines! lol
it's very nice results for the machine
you're jsut seeing a beat up 3yo sample =)
sample from what machine?
the machien is made in italy, I can't recall the mfg/model
it's like $25K USD
neither.... impact; it displaces the material.
can be used in jewlery making - no lost material (gold/silver/etc)
anonimasu: Try emc2 now...
you broke the bug
just building tcl/tk 8.4.11 for you without one specific option.
if I knew it before it I could have done it :)
another job aborted :\
are we well?
how i the planner of trajectories today?
I've been trying to make parts.
is the tp any better yet?
I dont know
but I know that steppers are utter crap.
robin_sz you haven't been working on it?
and the last stepper I've ever bought is sitting on my Z axis right now
if not for some small project not requiring _fast_ motion with moderate accel..
* anonimasu sighs
my italian is not that good
can you help me out?
[19:40:18] <alex_joni> http://www.kataweb.it/sport/detail.jsp?idCategory=2846&idContent=1181457
ahh figured it out.. not what I searched ;)
today juve played with poli timisoara
and I wanted to know what the score was
alex_joni it says "You lost and your bookie is looking for you!"
alex livorno has won 2-1 ..
[19:42:27] <Jymmm> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kataweb.it%2Fsport%2Fdetail.jsp%3FidCategory%3D2846%26idContent%3D1181457&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
Jymmm: the trick to placing bets is to only place bets you are going to win
I think Livorno it's a good team
have you seen the match ?
* Jymmm bets $10,000 USD that robin_sz will say something sarcastic before midnight PDT
the trick is of course to understand how betting works, and most punters dont
WOOHOO I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
oh another trick, is to play with money you own and can afford to loose.
well, sure .. but I have some friends in .fi who make nice livings from betting ...
or well, playing for money you do not own is stupidity :)
dinnertime for me
Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
but hey don't gamble
Jymmm: I'll be dropping mariss that mail tomorrow.
the one about the g340..
I cant live with the stepper on Z anymore.
anonimasu ah, ok.
anonimasu well, glad I was able to help there
I acceled it 1/5 of the servos and it went *whirr*
or well about half..
punters seem to think the odss are based on some magical assessment of how likely someone or someting is to win .. its not .. its based purely on how much money has come in agaisnt each bet ... thats why a bookie can never lose
robin_sz: so a bet with lower odds are simply what less people have been betting on ;)
ahh.. the match just started
what website has ads from doubleclick.net ?
heh.. seems it 1:0
poli timisoara: juve
Hi Alex, something new ??
the local team is playing soccer
with juventus torin
and winning so far ;)
don't have a tv
well.. not anymore ;)
they are tought not to make goals in the first half, because of the comercials at the break
well.. it was 1:0 before the break
jeah juventus torin is tought not to make goals
I'm looking for a way to extend the range of my Videosender..
i've a TX cam on a box 100 mt away from here and the receiver here
I want to see live video of cnc working from here
but the tx have few power..
get an analog camera
no signal here :(
and receiver here
or an ethernet camera
i can't use cable
you can do STP on 100m
if you got direct connection
i'm tryng with Radio AV receiver
get a better antenna
i'm looking for
but i'm not sure if the videosender is 900 mhz or 2.4 ghz :\
ahh.. what antenna does it have on now?
a small antenna like the old cell phone
about 8 cm
that sounds like 450 MHz
my lil antenna "looks" like old cellphone, but it's dual band 144/440
and they have tri-band ones too
whats the fcc id number?
i cant get the signal for only 15 damn mt
Jymmm: I bought it some year ago
the only thing I can read is
Jacky^ look on the bottom of hte unit where the label is
Radio AV Receiver
Jymmm: no label..
I think it' a chinese product
have a spectrum analyizer handy?
just a small label with QC passed
any one got any interesting router sites for me to visit?
tu 20 mhz ..
Yuga: if you want to do from yourself coyote linux it's nice
depend on what you need
hmm...not that kinda router!
Yuga : well, you did say interesting...
well , Jymmm have a nice router
Jacky^ dont know yet, still waiting for them ti ship it back to me
Jymmm: anyway it's a very nice product
I like it
so does that mean no one has any good interesting sites?
Yuga: I think you can also look at Makita for professional tools
cradek: are you around?
[22:18:21] <Yuga> http://www.makita.com/Tools_Item_View.asp?id=209
search there, also comment from customers..
mines bigger than yours!!!
size doesn't matter guys
thats what guy's with small ones say
well. I heard it somewhere
nasty storm out there ;)
lol... nice try of changing subject
alex_joni: yes, but not for long
wanted to ask you smthg about cvs
so alex_joni... how small is yours?
the tags $Log $ get expanded by cvs?
yes, there are several magic strings
any list available?
I did too.. but no luck
Keywords and their corresponding values:
assuming cvs supports all the keywords that rcs does, of course
it probably does
please resist using $Log$ or anything else that puts lots of pollution in the file
how about at the end of the file?
I think I've seen that somewhere
please resist using $Log$ or anything else that puts lots of pollution in the file
that's what cvs is for!!
I think these should only be used for things like printf("it's probably the fault of %s that this file is broken\n", "$Author$");
often version numbers are constructed the same way
[22:28:55] <Yuga> http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?&SID=Z5000&offerings_id=10695
<---- ooooohhhh perty
but I hate file pollution, and it's especially stupid when it's just a duplicate of what's already in the log
... as if you asked for my opinion :-)
likewise - It also makes merging of branches a serious problem.
well.. I did ask
yeah, sort of
or not.. but it's nice to know
paul_c: that's right, it does mess up diff/patch
i"If you want to record the commit logs, do it in the CHANGELOG - That is what it is there for."
paul_c: and for no good reason
I just looked at some drivers..
and seen that such tags get used
If you want to post a comment about it to the dev list, I'll chip in with a supporting argument.
Jymmm: found, look like this: http://www.eyespyvideo.com/wireless/900mhz/rx-900.htm
alex_joni: it's really useful for something like the version number
alex_joni: so it gets incremented automatically when you make a change
paul_c: maybe another time
alex_joni: but for $Log$, it gives no advantage and just gets in the way
alex_joni: The suggestion was aimed at cradek
paul_c: I haven't seen anyone else mention wanting to do this, so let's just let it die here
cradek: thing is.. some have already done this
on emc2 at least
alex_joni: I didn't know that
seems like we make all the new-users-of-version-control mistakes
I'm just bitter because I've seen them all before
heck.. even CodingStyle has it
It started by someone (who shall be blamed) at the codeFest...
I guess I'm not an emc2 developer, I never look at it
I see 15 files
but grep might fail on fancier incantations of "$Log "
I say just take that crap out, and check the files in with an appropriate log message
alex_joni: tip - use the -k flag when checking out or updating.
I can't even find CodingStyle
it's not in docs
arrgh, it's in src
yuck, $Log$ differences do show up in diffs under cvsweb
I found a xtal inside my videoreceiver: JWT 4.000, any idea about the work frequency ?
uh, 4.000 MHz?
it's 4 mhz ?
no, 4 MHz
well, now I know whic antenna to buils :P
4GHz seems a bit much for a video receiver
not in bandplan either
and 4 milliHertz is right out
but the working frequency is probably not of the XTAL
that's for the chip
* cradek <- pedant
usually the frequency for the transmission is from an PLL
Fred Proctor started the $Log$ tags..
i see 2 IB, the smallest is TA 280 F
Jacky^: those usually need to take care of frequency hopping & the like
paul_c: is he responsible for the pre-rcs stuff at the top of the emc1 files too? Those habits are hard to break
and an XTAL can never ever change the frequency fast enough
paul_c: those make perfect sense if you don't have any revision control, but they're dumb as soon as you do (IMO of course)
alex_joni: anyway can't be 900 mhz I suppose
get a spectrometer
and check ;)
get a freq counter
Jymmm: what good is a freq counter on analog signals?
alex_joni for his transmitter
he means spectrum analyzer
a scope would
that's what I said
Jacky^ has a scope
anonimasu: one for 900 MHz at least
but 2.4 Gigs is a bit rare
I know there are scopes up to 100 Gigs
he wants to get a better antenna, but doens't know the freq,
but.. who's got the money ;)
the only thing i've it's an old oscilloscope here
I found such a scope for 240$
stick a freq coutner right next to the lil antenna
at a sale..
I hope you got it
but I didnt have any use for a scope at that time
for your health's sake
* alex_joni takes the wet kipper from paul_c, and smacks anonimasu silly with it
was a tektronics DSO scope..
next time you BUY it
* Jymmm grabs the wet kipper from alex_joni and beats the shit out of anonimasu with it till he's a blodd pulp!
hell man, it'll cost more jsut to have it certified
what were you thinking?! you could have sodle it if nothign else.
paul_c: you might want to start a wet-kipper-rental business
I didnt need a scope at that time and I didnt have any money for it :)
or even give it away... to me for example
anyways.. oportunities come and go ;)
next time.. ask :P
anonimasu so if you see a nice car for sale for $500 and you already have me, you wouldn't buy it?!
ebay had a Lotus Elise go for 50p
anonimasu: riding on Jymmm to work?
paul_c secratary or ?
and a porsche 911 for 1.5 Euros
that I would have bought
buy now.. no bidding
did it really go through?
it was the wife of some guy
angry at her husband for cheating :))
found information about the bigger IC: TA8804F FM Demodulation for Broadcasting Satellite Receiver :))
let see the datasheet..
that's a lot lower
alex_joni modulation, not bandwidth
about 20 mt
I just found a big f***ing receiver/transmitter
[22:50:56] <anonimasu> http://www.blocket.se/view/5212123.htm?caller=nbl_s&l=0&c=1&city=0
Jacky^ you want to look at the finals, usually closest to the antenna/coax jack
bigger than arecibo?
alex_joni: large enough ;)
[22:52:20] <anonimasu> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/418
[22:52:31] <Jymmm> http://www.kenwood.net/indexKenwood.cfm?do=ProductDetails&ProdID=5016&Group=5
ya know, I really dont liek the look of the TS2000, but i can control it remotely from my HT or mobile rig
Jymmm: can't find finals, only smt components except 2 IC
Jacky^ look near heatsinks
* Jymmm is STILL waiting (20yrs) for a ALL BAND transceiver!
Jymmm: no heatsinks
[22:56:09] <anonimasu> http://www.icom.co.jp/world/products/amateur/7800/index.htm
i think its all inside an IC
low power circuit
anonimasu DUH! neither is the 20' antennas =)
looks like a tv tuner
Jacky^ metal case 1/2" tall 1.5" wide 3" long?
no shit ;D
anonimasu Well, we did it ONCE
Jymmm: no idea in inches..
metal case with a tiny coax solder on one side?
I'm reading at the datasheet..
Jymmm: yeah, metal case double face pcb
the jack is soldered directly on pcb
[23:01:06] <Jymmm> http://master-tv.com/article/tuner/tuner.jpg
like that (sorta)?
Jacky^: go build this --> http://www.science-workshop.com/
toshiba datasheet say: it generate the agc voltage by filtering the 402.78 mhz (479.5 mhz) bla bla ..
imput range frequency tipical 400 max 550
* robin_sz returns
dman, i will try an half way .. 450 mhz
steve hardys posts on the gecko list are interesting ...
read only one..
about the dumb mode of G-Rex
last couole of msgs
Jymmm: i will try a dipole antenna.. should be simple
Jacky^: better with an cantenna
easier to make
ca antenna ?
a dipole is not very gain'ish
yup.. google it up
yeah, i know .. :)
pringles might be ok on some frequencies
[23:09:51] <anonimasu> http://www.vlf.it/
there's a cantenna calc out there
anyone work with flash in here?
A-L-P-H-A: I have a flashlight
does that count?
Jacky^ how about a discone antenna?
Jacky^: I built a few antenna's for 2.4GHz
and the best were cantennas
Jymmm: think that i can't get the signal for 12 mt
discones are a notoriously difficult thing to get a decent match for tx with
A-L-P-H-A whats your question?
OK for scanners though
so, anything is good if work
the best are grids
robin_sz not like he's putting out more thatn 500mW
with yagi in the spot
Jacky^ go get some twin lead and clip it till you get a good signal! lol
so.. i will see when emc will crash from remote pc :\
how about VNC?
or ssh -X
this afternoon i lost 2 job :(����
Jymmm, how do I access arguments passed from the url?
Jymmm: so? if you have low power, good matching is important as at high power .. you want to couple your transmitter effectively to free space dont you?
i cant' use cable
Say <embed src="someFlash.swf?var1=foo&var2=bar" ...>. How do I access var1, and var2 within actionscript?
robin_sz we doens't even know the bandwidth of the Tx at this point.
also i dont want to run some grab software apache, cam on the emc pc ..
is this video?
it's a cely 900, too slow
I run ssh -X on my 300 MHz geode SBC
well, if i solve the period issue, maybe..
i dont want to stress it during the jobs
usually you can't
the RT stuff does it's job
maybe the rest can't keep up.. but the job should get done
that's why it's called real time ;)
Ive been running "motion" for grabbing camera images .. works nicely
it's new to me :(
the problem i've now is the speed, too slow
Jymmm: do you like flash eh ? :P
Jacky^ I LOVE flash
already seen mksite ?
an italian guy
[23:21:39] <Jacky^> http://www.mksite.com/
Jymmm: that's german
I love this.. push the buttons on the bottom
it's at least 4 years old
pesky phone line
robin_z: bad weather there ?
looks like my children had tipped some goo in the ADSL filter ...
corroded the circuit board a little
1st they flood the bathroom, now goo in the dsl stuff.
oh . .theyve done worse in between
* Jymmm waits till they discover fire
and the combination of the above
home made explosives
a few weeks ago they took the hose from the paddling pool, and began to squirt each other with it
they were in the living room at the time
not that ok
thnakfully, it was a hot few days and we dried out again
robin_z: how many years old the children ?
5, 3, 2
its hard then :)
it only gets worse with age
there wqent the old me
from what can depend mainly a following error ?
you using steppers or servos?
its bad ?
I never understood the stepper/following error thing .. all far to complicatated for me ... I think its usually down to setting the various periods correctly and then guessing the correct numbers to have in your PID values
I must wait a little for servos :(
tuning the PID values for steppers is the same as tuning them for servos, so it will be good practice for you
Jacky^: using emc1?
following errors usually have 2 causes on steppers
1. too little ferror or min_ferror
2. the RT pulsing can't keep up with the speed needed
2.a. PERIOD too small
2.b. too high speeds set up
2.c. too high accels set up
a moment.. sorry
2.d. too much feed override
PERIOD too large... like 0.00020 instead of 0.000020
errr.. that's what I meant for 2.a
said too small ;)
too small leads to locks... like 0.000002
acc too high as well causes problems
too small leads to need for better hardware
LawrenceG: 2.c :)
PID gains too high is another.
yup and yup
right..on emc1, emc2 doesn't have PID for steppers anymore