#emc | Logs for 2005-08-02

[15:58:26] <Yuga> * Yuga is picking his nose
[16:08:56] <alex_joni> adorable ;)
[16:11:28] <RonB> can EMC be run "virtual" - without connection to machine?
[16:11:46] <cradek> emc1 has simulation mode
[16:11:46] <alex_joni> RonB: depends on the level of vitural
[16:11:49] <alex_joni> virtual
[16:11:57] <alex_joni> as cradek said you can run emc1 in sim mode
[16:12:02] <alex_joni> that's even without RT
[16:12:09] <alex_joni> emc2 can be run only RT (so far)
[16:12:16] <alex_joni> but you can run it not connected to a machine
[16:12:26] <RonB> just want to try while I am waiting for isolation board
[16:12:27] <steve_stallings> there is sim without realtime, or just run stepper modes with motors connected
[16:12:39] <steve_stallings> without
[16:12:44] <alex_joni> if you run a stepper setup, that's open loop, so it doesn't matter if you have motors or not
[16:13:13] <RonB> OK - just disable switches and try it?
[16:13:20] <alex_joni> yup
[16:13:34] <alex_joni> ur unplug your parport cable
[16:13:36] <alex_joni> or
[16:13:43] <RonB> be the "home" and "e-stop"
[16:14:33] <RonB> that was a question... BTW
[17:19:00] <paul_c> [pc_op] apropos hel
[17:22:29] <Jymmm> Mornin Folks!
[17:35:55] <alex_joni> hey paul_c
[17:48:46] <alex_joni> heh..
[17:48:50] <alex_joni> try this:
[17:49:10] <paul_c> pc_op: roulette
[17:49:10] <pc_op> paul_c: *click*
[17:49:15] <alex_joni> go to www.google.com, enter "miserable failure", and hit "I'm feeling lucky"
[17:49:36] <alex_joni> pc_op: roulette
[17:49:36] <pc_op> alex_joni: *click*
[17:50:23] <paul_c> pc_op: errno -12
[17:50:23] <pc_op> paul_c: (unknown) (#-12): Unknown error 4294967284
[17:50:32] <paul_c> pc_op: errno 24
[17:50:33] <pc_op> paul_c: EMFILE (#24): Too many open files
[17:50:38] <alex_joni> heh
[17:51:15] <paul_c> pc_op: channelstats
[17:51:15] <pc_op> paul_c: On #emc there have been 13 messages, containing 278 characters, 42 words, 0 smileys, and 0 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 1 join, 0 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
[17:51:27] <alex_joni> :P
[17:51:37] <alex_joni> pc_op: channelstats
[17:51:37] <pc_op> alex_joni: On #emc there have been 16 messages, containing 528 characters, 87 words, 1 smiley, and 0 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 1 join, 0 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
[17:52:02] <paul_c> plat roulette ?
[17:52:16] <alex_joni> wot's plat?
[17:52:34] <paul_c> .ro for play ?
[17:52:45] <alex_joni> not really
[17:53:10] <paul_c> chicken ?
[17:53:17] <alex_joni> nah :)
[17:53:29] <alex_joni> wanna play?
[17:53:40] <alex_joni> your turn :)
[17:53:47] <paul_c> pc_op: roulette
[17:53:47] <pc_op> paul_c: *click*
[17:53:56] <alex_joni> pc_op: roulette
[17:53:57] <pc_op> alex_joni: *click*
[17:54:02] <paul_c> pc_op: roulette
[17:54:02] <pc_op> paul_c: *click*
[17:54:03] <alex_joni> pc_op: roulette
[17:54:04] <pc_op> pc_op has kicked alex_joni from #emc
[17:54:05] <pc_op> * pc_op reloads and spins the chambers.
[17:54:10] <paul_c> \o/
[17:54:16] <alex_joni> heh ;)
[17:54:33] <alex_joni> pc_op: channelstats
[17:54:33] <pc_op> alex_joni: On #emc there have been 39 messages, containing 1023 characters, 174 words, 4 smileys, and 0 frowns; 1 of those messages was an ACTION. There have been 2 joins, 0 parts, 0 quits, 1 kick, 1 mode change, and 0 topic changes.
[17:57:21] <paul_c> pc_op: spell superduper
[17:57:22] <pc_op> paul_c: Possible spellings for "superduper": super duper, super-duper, speedup, speedier, speeder, speedups, speeders, sportier, supporter, and speeder's.
[17:57:51] <paul_c> pc_op: wtf is super-duper ?
[17:57:51] <pc_op> paul_c: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
[17:58:19] <paul_c> pc_op: wtf is ls
[17:58:19] <pc_op> paul_c: Error: I couldn't find the wtf command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.wtf.command configuration variable appropriately.
[17:59:28] <alex_joni> pc_op: ls is wtf
[18:08:58] <paul_c> pc_op: pid
[18:10:27] <alex_joni> pc_op: whoami
[18:10:27] <pc_op> alex_joni: I don't recognize you.
[18:10:33] <alex_joni> pc_op: I am alex_joni
[18:11:57] <Jymmm> pc_op botsnack
[18:12:11] <Jymmm> pc_op: botsnack
[18:12:32] <alex_joni> feeding the bot, eh?
[18:12:57] <Jymmm> trying, but I don't think it's hungry
[18:13:27] <Jymmm> pc_op stfu is <reply> [STFU] Shut The Fuck Up
[18:14:51] <Jymmm> pc_op: stfu is <reply> [STFU] Shut The Fuck Up
[18:14:57] <Jymmm> oh well
[18:16:30] <Jymmm> paul_c does the bot have a trigger character?
[18:17:18] <steve_stallings> pc_op: help
[18:17:19] <pc_op> steve_stallings: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[18:18:33] <Jymmm> pc_op: insult steve_stallings
[18:18:45] <Jymmm> pc_op: help insult
[18:18:46] <pc_op> Jymmm: Error: There is no command insult.
[18:18:56] <Jymmm> pc_op: help <insult>
[18:18:56] <pc_op> Jymmm: Error: There is no command <insult>.
[18:19:16] <Jymmm> pc_op: google emc
[18:20:44] <Jymmm> pc_op: lart steve_stallings
[18:21:19] <Jymmm> pc_op: base 10 16 11
[18:21:38] <Jymmm> pc_op: calc 2+2
[18:22:17] <Jymmm> pc_op: seen paul_c
[18:23:27] <Jymmm> pc_op: help seen
[18:23:27] <pc_op> Jymmm: Error: There is no command seen.
[18:23:37] <Jymmm> pc_op: help roulette
[18:23:38] <pc_op> Jymmm: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
[18:24:22] <Jymmm> pc_op: help ChannelLogger
[18:24:23] <pc_op> Jymmm: (channellogger <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the ChannelLogger plugin. Use 'list ChannelLogger' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.ChannelLogger' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to (1 more message)
[18:24:52] <Jymmm> pc_op: list ChannelLogger
[18:24:53] <pc_op> Jymmm: Error: That plugin exists, but it has no commands with help.
[18:27:14] <Jymmm> pc_op: tell steve_stallings Hi!
[18:27:23] <Jymmm> pc_op: tell Jymmm Lo!
[18:27:50] <Jymmm> pc_op: tell Jymmm about wtf
[18:33:21] <RonB> * RonB just like giving a teenager a playstation
[18:36:12] <alex_joni> just like babies with candy
[18:38:26] <alex_joni> brb... rebooting to bdi
[18:45:30] <Jymmm> wb alex_joni
[18:45:38] <alex_joni> ty
[18:47:43] <Jymmm> one of these years I'll learn trig! lol
[18:48:48] <alex_joni> heh
[18:50:08] <Jymmm> One of my goals in life is to learn what every button on my calculator does =)
[18:50:57] <RonB> do you know the command for quit in IRC?
[18:51:09] <anonimasu> hello
[18:51:14] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[18:51:17] <anonimasu> RonB: /quit
[18:51:31] <anonimasu> finally back from the customer
[18:51:42] <RonB> sometimes you can get several... :)
[18:53:35] <anonimasu> alex_joni: how are things going?
[18:53:49] <alex_joni> ok.. thinking about workingon the stg driver
[18:54:20] <anonimasu> nice
[18:54:20] <anonimasu> :)
[18:54:59] <dave-e> is les lurking?
[18:55:33] <anonimasu> I would love to play but the USC havent landed yet
[18:57:51] <dave-e> hey alex...working on the stg driver would be nice. :-))
[18:58:04] <alex_joni> dave-e: I know ;)
[18:58:14] <alex_joni> you're running stg?
[18:58:24] <dave-e> on 2-18
[18:58:33] <alex_joni> heh.. golden oldies ;)
[18:58:42] <dave-e> works
[18:59:00] <dave-e> stg just comes up easier and faster than other cards
[18:59:28] <dave-e> I am hoping to move to 4.20 sometime
[18:59:45] <alex_joni> well.. probably emc2 on 4.20 with a stg driver would be smthg
[18:59:52] <alex_joni> but.. it's not very tested yet
[19:00:01] <alex_joni> and the stg driver is not halfway there
[19:00:09] <dave-e> bit by bit
[19:00:13] <alex_joni> yup
[19:00:38] <dave-e> I'm wondering if les has tested the new tp on the chance it may have helped with his problems
[19:01:48] <dave-e> got to get down to shop and try and make some parts
[19:02:02] <anonimasu> I should be doing that but first I need to find out why my emc2 is broken
[19:02:30] <dave-e> maybe that is why Jon used the old old stuff
[19:02:38] <dave-e> uses
[19:03:04] <dave-e> tool length should now work in 4.20 and that would be nice
[19:03:09] <anonimasu> why emc2 is broken?
[19:03:23] <Jymmm> anonimasu did you feed it?
[19:03:34] <anonimasu> Jymmm: no.. I think it's mad at me
[19:03:38] <anonimasu> emc1 works like crap compared to emc2 imo..
[19:03:43] <dave-e> talk to it nicely
[19:03:45] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:03:56] <anonimasu> I think I've messes up some period settings..
[19:04:08] <dave-e> emc2 has great potential
[19:04:15] <dave-e> but how many are making parts
[19:04:16] <Jymmm> anonimasu : Did you hold emc2 in your arms when it fell down and skinned it's knees and tell it you loved it?
[19:04:27] <anonimasu> dave-e: I've been making lots of parts
[19:04:46] <dave-e> excellent...i'm told that is what cnc's are for
[19:05:00] <anonimasu> yeah :D but I broke it playing with the tp..
[19:05:12] <anonimasu> and re-downloaded a new cvs version and my older settings wont run with it ;)
[19:05:35] <dave-e> gotta run .... hope you get it fixed.
[19:05:42] <anonimasu> yeah, it's not a big deal
[19:05:54] <paul_c> who's up for a game of roulette then ?
[19:06:08] <anonimasu> paul_c: I could be, but that depends on what I win..
[19:06:08] <alex_joni> heh.. me ;)
[19:06:17] <alex_joni> you get to stay here
[19:06:25] <anonimasu> nice.
[19:06:48] <cradek> paul_c: I'll play if it kicks you off 5/6 of the time and kicks me off 1/6
[19:07:05] <alex_joni> pc_op: roulette spin
[19:07:06] <pc_op> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
[19:07:26] <Jymmm> pc_op: roulette
[19:07:26] <pc_op> Jymmm: *click*
[19:07:34] <anonimasu> pc_op: roulette
[19:07:34] <pc_op> anonimasu: *click*
[19:07:36] <paul_c> pc_op: roulette
[19:07:36] <pc_op> pc_op has kicked paul_c from #emc
[19:07:38] <pc_op> * pc_op reloads and spins the chambers.
[19:07:41] <anonimasu> * anonimasu laughs
[19:07:43] <alex_joni> pc_op: roulette
[19:07:43] <Jymmm> pc_op: roulette spin
[19:07:44] <pc_op> alex_joni: *click*
[19:07:45] <pc_op> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
[19:07:55] <alex_joni> pc_op: roulette
[19:07:55] <pc_op> alex_joni: *click*
[19:07:57] <anonimasu> pc_op: roulette
[19:07:58] <pc_op> anonimasu: *click*
[19:07:59] <Jymmm> pc_op: roulette
[19:07:59] <pc_op> Jymmm: *click*
[19:08:13] <alex_joni> pc_op: roulette spin
[19:08:14] <pc_op> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
[19:08:24] <anonimasu> pc_op: roulette
[19:08:25] <pc_op> anonimasu: *click*
[19:08:29] <alex_joni> pc_op: roulette
[19:08:30] <pc_op> pc_op has kicked alex_joni from #emc
[19:08:31] <pc_op> * pc_op reloads and spins the chambers.
[19:08:34] <Jymmm> pc_op: roulette
[19:08:34] <pc_op> Jymmm: *click*
[19:08:35] <anonimasu> I think that's enough for today :D
[19:08:36] <alex_joni> lol
[19:09:04] <anonimasu> * anonimasu fears to get shot ;)
[19:09:11] <anonimasu> pc_op: roulette
[19:09:11] <pc_op> anonimasu: *click*
[19:09:18] <anonimasu> couldnt resist..
[19:10:20] <paul_c> pc_op: eightball
[19:10:20] <pc_op> paul_c: Unlikely.
[19:10:34] <anonimasu> paul_c: you should ask it stuff first..
[19:10:45] <anonimasu> pc_op: will we fix the tp?
[19:10:48] <anonimasu> pc_op: eightball
[19:10:48] <pc_op> anonimasu: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
[19:10:58] <alex_joni> pc_op: anonimasu-soccer
[19:11:01] <paul_c> pc_op: coin
[19:11:01] <pc_op> paul_c: tails
[19:11:09] <alex_joni> pc_op: tails
[19:11:19] <Jymmm> pc_op: lart paul_c
[19:11:23] <cradek> pc_op: if anyone else brought this kind of crap into the channel, would paul_c kickban him?
[19:11:34] <alex_joni> pc_op: really
[19:11:34] <anonimasu> pc_op: eightball
[19:11:34] <pc_op> anonimasu: No clue.
[19:11:50] <alex_joni> pc_op: eightball
[19:11:50] <pc_op> alex_joni: You're kidding, right?
[19:11:58] <alex_joni> no
[19:12:10] <anonimasu> * anonimasu thinks of megahal and laughs
[19:12:40] <alex_joni> lol.. yeah
[19:12:46] <alex_joni> pc_op: do you know megahal?
[19:12:50] <alex_joni> pc_op: eightball
[19:12:50] <pc_op> alex_joni: _I_ don't know.
[19:13:11] <alex_joni> ok.. enough crap
[19:14:08] <paul_c> I'll pull the plug in a day or so.
[19:24:41] <alex_joni> paul_c: is there a skype deb package?
[19:28:21] <paul_c> alex_joni: Yes.
[19:28:36] <alex_joni> found one on skype.com
[19:28:39] <paul_c> But not in the main repository.
[19:28:43] <alex_joni> but none in the repos
[20:07:01] <alex_joni> oh oh
[20:07:09] <alex_joni> they're taking over the channel
[20:07:10] <alex_joni> slowly
[20:07:36] <robin_sz> indeed
[20:08:24] <robin_sz> freenode is a bit broken today
[20:08:33] <robin_sz> several nodes are off
[20:09:40] <alex_joni> skype is stupid
[20:09:44] <alex_joni> on debian that is
[20:10:05] <alex_joni> why can't such a simple thing work?
[20:10:14] <alex_joni> I need to load an oss wrapper over alsa
[20:10:23] <alex_joni> and route the audio stuff through artsd
[20:10:36] <alex_joni> using artsdsp -m skype
[20:10:42] <alex_joni> I mean .. cmon.. this is bull
[20:10:49] <robin_sz> but skype on windows works so well ...
[20:11:10] <robin_sz> audio on linux has always been a bit hit and miss
[20:11:14] <JJB> Hello
[20:12:15] <robin_sz> got a long way to go to catch up with doze yet
[20:12:45] <JJB> I'm a newbie to Linux and I was wondering if any of you guys could give me instructions on setting up RTLinux 3.1 on Fedora Core 4
[20:12:58] <JJB> the kernel is 2.6.12-1.1398
[20:13:25] <robin_sz> too hard for me im afriad,
[20:13:41] <cradek> I think rtlinux 3.x works with kernel 2.4
[20:13:48] <alex_joni> JJB: any reasin for using rtlinux?
[20:13:50] <cradek> you will have to use rtai, or pick a different distribution
[20:13:52] <alex_joni> reason even
[20:14:07] <alex_joni> rtai is a bit nicer
[20:14:11] <robin_sz> and fedora ... ick .. please no
[20:14:12] <JJB> well, let's rephrase it, I'm trying to setup EMC on Fedora Core 4, if that's even possible...
[20:14:18] <alex_joni> ok
[20:14:19] <alex_joni> it is
[20:14:24] <cradek> if you're a newbie to linux, you will not easily be able to set up a realtime system yourself.
[20:14:29] <alex_joni> check wiki.linuxcnc.org first
[20:14:34] <JJB> okay
[20:14:54] <robin_sz> could we recommend a "bdi" .. brai ndead install?
[20:15:08] <robin_sz> it a preconfigured linux with RT and EMC all ready to rock
[20:15:14] <alex_joni> JJB: would debian turn you off?
[20:15:15] <JJB> i have setup BDI 4.20
[20:15:20] <JJB> hehehe
[20:15:23] <robin_sz> ok
[20:15:23] <alex_joni> oh.. ok ;)
[20:15:38] <JJB> I have set it up in another partition, but honestly I don't like it that much
[20:15:41] <robin_sz> well, feel free to try setting it up on fedora ...
[20:16:20] <robin_sz> for similar fun you can always try shutting your fingers in the desk drawer ... the pain is similar ;)
[20:16:30] <JJB> and I try this as well on the .ini file tried the EMCMOT = newstg...
[20:16:35] <JJB> but cannot find the driver
[20:16:45] <JJB> hehehe
[20:17:06] <robin_sz> the BDI is pretty much your best hope of a pain free emc
[20:17:27] <robin_sz> its probably worht making hte effort to like the debian stuff enough to keep it
[20:17:28] <alex_joni> JJB: there is no stg driver on the BDI
[20:17:38] <alex_joni> and the one for emc2 is not done yet
[20:17:38] <JJB> but the problem with BDI is that I cannot find the driver, so how can I set it up on BDI?
[20:17:47] <alex_joni> you won't :(
[20:17:52] <robin_sz> and you have an STG card?
[20:17:56] <JJB> not for stg?
[20:17:58] <JJB> stg model 2
[20:18:02] <alex_joni> the only stg driver till now is for emc1
[20:18:08] <alex_joni> and that runs only on 2.4
[20:18:14] <alex_joni> so bdi4.20 is no good
[20:18:32] <alex_joni> I am working on a STG V1 driver right now.. for emc2
[20:18:38] <alex_joni> after that the V2
[20:18:41] <JJB> and would like to use for six axis, but in the future we may need to use for eight axis
[20:18:45] <cradek> JJB: I have had good luck with redhat 9 and rtlinux 3.2
[20:18:46] <JJB> i see
[20:18:57] <robin_sz> eight axis?
[20:19:00] <robin_sz> with emc?
[20:19:04] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:19:06] <robin_sz> * robin_sz ponders
[20:19:09] <alex_joni> robin_sz: 2 of them
[20:19:11] <alex_joni> :D
[20:19:12] <cradek> simple matter of programming
[20:19:14] <alex_joni> emc1 and emc2
[20:19:15] <JJB> okay, can you explain? isn't fedora similar to rh9?
[20:19:16] <alex_joni> lol
[20:19:28] <cradek> JJB: redhat 9 (and FC1 I think) use 2.4 kernel
[20:19:30] <anonimasu> JJB: the trouble is if you are capable of setting up RTAI..
[20:19:36] <JJB> i see
[20:19:42] <cradek> JJB: you must use 2.4 kernel to run emc1
[20:19:47] <anonimasu> otherwise compiling emc should be straightforward
[20:19:50] <JJB> FC4 use 2.6 kernel
[20:19:53] <alex_joni> JJB: even if you set it up.. you still need a 2.4 kernel
[20:19:57] <JJB> i see
[20:19:59] <alex_joni> right.. so FC4 is no good
[20:20:01] <anonimasu> You will have to downgrade to a 2.4.x kernel to be able..
[20:20:03] <JJB> okay
[20:20:09] <alex_joni> heh .. good luck on that ;)
[20:20:22] <alex_joni> messign with kernels and RT stuff is one thing
[20:20:24] <cradek> you should start over with a distribution that uses 2.4
[20:20:28] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I did that on my bdi.. so it can be done..
[20:20:33] <alex_joni> but messing with distribution stuff .. that's hard
[20:20:37] <JJB> okay
[20:20:42] <alex_joni> I messed up a few SuSE
[20:20:45] <anonimasu> alex_joni: distribution stuff?
[20:20:47] <cradek> or, try bdi-live or something
[20:20:50] <cradek> old BDIs are 2.4
[20:20:56] <alex_joni> anonimasu: distribution-related configs
[20:20:56] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[20:20:57] <JJB> so let's see, what BDI can I download that has drivers for STG II
[20:20:58] <JJB> ?
[20:21:03] <Jymmm> 2.4 or 4.2 ?
[20:21:03] <alex_joni> mostly not very documented
[20:21:13] <alex_joni> JJB: probably the live one would be best
[20:21:17] <alex_joni> BDI-Live
[20:21:28] <RonB> * RonB undocumented - and understatement
[20:21:31] <JJB> alex_joni: and it has drivers for STG II?
[20:21:39] <alex_joni> it should
[20:21:48] <alex_joni> but you can always check out emc from cvs
[20:21:52] <alex_joni> and the driver is there
[20:21:52] <cradek> with it, you can easily build emc1 from cvs
[20:21:57] <cradek> yeah, what he says
[20:22:05] <alex_joni> cradek: not sure that's so easily
[20:22:07] <anonimasu> alex_joni: downgrading works pretty well, there are no reason it shouldnt work..
[20:22:09] <alex_joni> but you can build emc
[20:22:19] <cradek> alex_joni: easier than bdi4, since there's a compiler
[20:22:19] <JJB> I see
[20:22:20] <robin_sz> is the current CVS actually compilable for EMC1?
[20:22:30] <cradek> robin_sz: if not, the cradek_stable branch is
[20:22:38] <robin_sz> right
[20:22:39] <anonimasu> but unless you are familiar with it, installing bdi is a easy way.
[20:22:43] <alex_joni> anonimasu: there are usually issues, like modutils & co
[20:22:52] <JJB> okay, now, i'm a little confused, so strictly what should I do?
[20:23:00] <JJB> download BDI what?
[20:23:04] <alex_joni> robin_sz: should be, not sure about the interp stuff.. but other than that it should be
[20:23:07] <robin_sz> BDI-live
[20:23:10] <alex_joni> JJB: download BDI-Live
[20:23:11] <JJB> in order for six axes to work and STG II card to work as well
[20:23:12] <alex_joni> install it
[20:23:15] <alex_joni> and run it
[20:23:15] <JJB> okay
[20:23:22] <alex_joni> it should have STG2 on it
[20:23:31] <JJB> BDI-Live can only run from CD or I can install as well?
[20:23:31] <alex_joni> if not get back in here, and we'll work it out
[20:23:36] <JJB> okay
[20:23:36] <alex_joni> both
[20:23:39] <JJB> thanks
[20:23:42] <alex_joni> yw
[20:23:46] <robin_sz> * robin_sz is a little unsure on how well 6 axis support works ...
[20:23:48] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yeah, but if you go through the bother to downgrade it's not a big deal.. :)
[20:23:49] <JJB> c u all
[20:24:02] <anonimasu> JJB: what are you going to do with 6 axis:es
[20:24:11] <JJB> hexapod
[20:24:24] <robin_sz> oh, right ;)
[20:24:27] <JJB> i've been to this channel before
[20:24:35] <RonB> JJB - BDI livce will install to sisc
[20:24:40] <RonB> disc
[20:24:43] <anonimasu> ok
[20:24:48] <robin_sz> that should be OK from wht I remember
[20:25:03] <robin_sz> it was the rotary axes that seemed borked when I tried them
[20:25:38] <robin_sz> but that was ages ago
[20:26:03] <cradek> synchronized a,b,c work relatively well in emc1
[20:26:06] <JJB> okay
[20:26:10] <cradek> it's true they used to be broken
[20:26:23] <cradek> you will almost certainly want to use the cvs version, not the version that comes on live
[20:26:40] <robin_sz> it was ages ago I tried them . I havent tracked them in ages
[20:35:37] <Jymmm> Just wondering, anyone know of a nix build sorta kinda based on embedded device? I have a 'disk-on-a-chip' and want to create a NAS box with ext usb hdd support
[20:36:24] <robin_sz> gumstix?
[20:38:29] <Jymmm> ide support?
[20:40:08] <Jymmm> I want SMART support - murphy's law
[20:40:52] <alex_joni> ucLinux ?
[20:41:44] <robin_sz> so ide support, usb, some networking?
[20:41:54] <robin_sz> how about a shuttle mobo?
[20:43:04] <Jymmm> exactly, but I want to use the disk-on-a-chip for the boot process
[20:43:09] <Jymmm> READ ONLY
[20:43:35] <robin_sz> so, what about a shuttle mobo?
[20:44:02] <Jymmm> what does a mobo have todo with a distro ?
[20:44:36] <robin_sz> im confused .. you looking for an embedded device?
[20:44:48] <robin_sz> actaully, wait ..
[20:44:56] <Jymmm> robin_sz do you know what a disk-on-a-chip is?
[20:45:06] <robin_sz> yes
[20:45:31] <Jymmm> and that it's only interface is IDE
[20:45:48] <Jymmm> it HAS to plug into a mobo =)
[20:46:15] <robin_sz> thats because mobos are the only things on the planet that implenent IDE interfaces?
[20:46:16] <Jymmm> But, I need a micro distro wiht just the basic necessities.
[20:46:35] <robin_sz> anyway, .. I think I stopped caring
[20:46:50] <robin_sz> I had a good day dumpster diving today ...
[20:46:57] <robin_sz> found some cloth ...
[20:47:11] <robin_sz> about 2m long, 300mm wide
[20:47:35] <robin_sz> looks like it has a weave of around 100u
[20:48:10] <robin_sz> oh .. yeah .. its stanless steel ;)
[20:50:18] <anonimasu> nice
[20:50:38] <robin_sz> I have no idea how much woven stainless cloth is .,. it cant be cheap
[20:50:50] <anonimasu> What's it used for?
[20:51:00] <robin_sz> high performance fluid filters
[20:51:09] <anonimasu> ah ok
[20:51:20] <robin_sz> this comapny make coolant and chip systems for big machines
[20:51:37] <robin_sz> and I laser most of their parts :)
[20:52:26] <anonimasu> neat
[20:52:52] <anonimasu> seems like you've finally gotten quite a production going with the laser
[20:52:53] <anonimasu> :)
[20:53:05] <robin_sz> yeah ... just about enough now
[20:53:25] <robin_sz> plenty of small �200 jobs coming through
[20:53:36] <robin_sz> and stainless work
[20:53:38] <anonimasu> no continous runs?
[20:53:44] <robin_sz> not much yet
[20:53:49] <anonimasu> ok
[20:53:50] <robin_sz> thats good and bad
[20:53:56] <anonimasu> you need some job to keep the machine running during the night
[20:53:57] <anonimasu> :D
[20:54:02] <robin_sz> well yeah
[20:54:12] <robin_sz> but .. that means when it stops yo have trouble
[20:54:26] <robin_sz> somewhere a production lime runs out of parts
[20:54:37] <robin_sz> and someonestarts sneding you lost production bills
[20:54:42] <anonimasu> yeah, but a monkey can change sheets..
[20:54:43] <anonimasu> :D
[20:54:54] <robin_sz> not if the laser shits itself
[20:55:02] <anonimasu> why would it do taht?
[20:55:03] <anonimasu> that
[20:55:14] <robin_sz> because its made from "stuff"
[20:55:35] <robin_sz> and anything thats made from stuff, has a habit of going wrong at the most inconvenient time
[20:55:49] <robin_sz> with two laser you have a chanve
[20:55:52] <robin_sz> chance
[20:56:08] <robin_sz> hence the need to get the second machine on line asap
[20:56:54] <anonimasu> long run productions makes nice $
[20:56:54] <anonimasu> ;)
[20:56:59] <robin_sz> mmmm
[20:57:01] <robin_sz> maybe
[20:57:03] <anonimasu> or continous stuff rather
[20:57:15] <robin_sz> long runs also tend to screw the price right down
[20:57:34] <robin_sz> you can often make more on a few one offs
[20:57:54] <anonimasu> well price per part will go way down, but you will have more used time on the machine
[20:58:03] <robin_sz> liek this guy coming in on Monday ...
[20:58:15] <robin_sz> hes put some 10mm sheet out into a job ...
[20:58:20] <anonimasu> specially if you can have one laser cutting all the time..
[20:58:27] <anonimasu> and if you can take on the one offs on the other :)
[20:58:27] <robin_sz> that now needs some big accurate slots ...
[20:58:47] <robin_sz> so hes coming in, with the sheets on a truck to have them cut ...
[20:58:58] <robin_sz> thats going to cost ;)
[20:59:59] <anonimasu> ;)
[21:00:01] <robin_sz> theres another guy tomorow who needs som 6mm plates
[21:00:07] <robin_sz> again .. he needs them NOW
[21:00:29] <robin_sz> it will take around 30 minutes to cut them ...
[21:00:42] <robin_sz> but it will cost him arounf �250 ...
[21:01:15] <anonimasu> yep :9
[21:01:16] <anonimasu> :)
[21:04:59] <robin_sz> oh foo, the religious types have started going off on one on the geckdrive list ..
[21:05:36] <anonimasu> religious?
[21:05:40] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:05:43] <anonimasu> what are they preaching?
[21:05:53] <robin_sz> there was a competition to rename the G200X
[21:06:00] <anonimasu> heh
[21:06:03] <anonimasu> jebus2005
[21:06:04] <anonimasu> :D
[21:06:05] <robin_sz> some guy suggested G-Ezus
[21:06:14] <alex_joni> lol
[21:06:26] <robin_sz> and won a prize of two gecko 201s for the funniest entry
[21:06:32] <alex_joni> he won?
[21:06:42] <robin_sz> the funniest entry prize yeah
[21:07:02] <robin_sz> the main prize was a G200x, 3 drives and Mach4
[21:07:14] <robin_sz> the name was G-Rex :)
[21:07:31] <robin_sz> anyway ...
[21:07:36] <robin_sz> the GEzus guy
[21:07:47] <robin_sz> he said he couldnt accept the drives
[21:07:56] <alex_joni> bugger that
[21:08:02] <alex_joni> I would have taken the drives
[21:08:03] <robin_sz> he was wrong to take the name of our saviour in vane etc
[21:08:07] <alex_joni> and scrapped mach4
[21:08:09] <robin_sz> too damn right
[21:08:17] <alex_joni> ahh the G-Ezus guy
[21:08:20] <alex_joni> right
[21:08:25] <anonimasu> heh
[21:08:26] <alex_joni> thought the G-Rex guy
[21:08:47] <robin_sz> and about 3 people cam in with "good to see someone having the courage of their convictions" etc
[21:08:58] <robin_sz> and I was just thinking "tosser" ;)
[21:10:35] <anonimasu> :D
[21:12:41] <robin_sz> reminds me of Ray Lee who I used to work with ...
[21:12:59] <robin_sz> gave up a good job at the BBC to go and work for "The Christian Channel"
[21:13:10] <robin_sz> which promptly went bankrupt ...
[21:13:16] <cradek> I guess god hated him
[21:13:23] <robin_sz> and was re-launched as a 24hr horror movie station
[21:13:25] <cradek> and The Christian Channel
[21:13:30] <cradek> hahaha
[21:14:06] <robin_sz> I actually quite liked Ray, a very decent bloke
[21:14:11] <robin_sz> for a god botherer ;)
[21:14:42] <anonimasu> :)
[21:15:10] <robin_sz> right .. thats it .. im going to post this post and start a religious war on the gecko list
[21:16:32] <paul_c> anonimasu: *click Bang
[21:17:20] <anonimasu> ;)
[21:17:21] <robin_sz> it used to be said that a man should only go to church three times ... christening, marriage and funeral
[21:17:27] <robin_sz> sounds lke 3 times too many to me ;)
[21:18:19] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:18:44] <anonimasu> or 2 that can be avoided..
[21:19:04] <robin_sz> avoiding the first one can be tricky ...
[21:19:22] <anonimasu> nah
[21:19:32] <anonimasu> just have decent parents ;)
[21:19:40] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:19:47] <anonimasu> the last one however is unavoidable
[21:19:53] <robin_sz> nah, not in the UK
[21:20:30] <robin_sz> the local council will incinerate you for a small fee
[21:20:51] <anonimasu> oh here too but that's usually after you've gone to church..
[21:21:06] <robin_sz> the church bit is very optional here
[21:21:25] <anonimasu> here also :)
[21:21:35] <robin_sz> almost no one goes on a sunday ..
[21:21:45] <anonimasu> horrid
[21:21:47] <robin_sz> its like 1 or 2 % of the population at most
[21:22:16] <anonimasu> savages :D
[21:22:20] <robin_sz> somehoe though, there is still compulsory indoctrination in schools
[21:22:37] <anonimasu> *coughs*
[21:22:40] <anonimasu> robin_sz: just kidding ;)
[21:22:59] <anonimasu> brb going to plug in the mill so I might get to make some parts
[21:23:08] <robin_sz> heh, no chance
[21:36:26] <anonimasu> heh
[21:36:27] <anonimasu> why not?
[21:36:34] <robin_sz> life
[21:36:41] <robin_sz> it never works out that way
[21:36:46] <anonimasu> heh
[21:36:53] <anonimasu> I need this in 2 days
[21:36:53] <anonimasu> www.bojn.net/~an0n/panel.jpg
[21:37:43] <robin_sz> roughing pass, parallel finish, 3 holes ...
[21:37:48] <anonimasu> promised a customer I'd show them a prototype..
[21:37:53] <anonimasu> ofcourse..
[21:37:59] <anonimasu> not a big deal...
[21:37:59] <anonimasu> :)
[21:38:01] <anonimasu> plastic..
[21:38:04] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:38:29] <anonimasu> but I need emc to stop crapping ;)
[21:38:55] <robin_sz> and you need this for August 3rd?
[21:39:06] <anonimasu> roughly
[21:39:11] <robin_sz> which year?
[21:39:15] <anonimasu> since I'll be going to the customer to do a software upgrade then
[21:39:17] <anonimasu> this year ;)
[21:39:25] <robin_sz> oh, bummer ;
[21:40:37] <anonimasu> dont you belive I'll make it?
[21:40:37] <alex_joni> emc software upgrade?
[21:40:39] <alex_joni> lol
[21:40:40] <anonimasu> no
[21:40:47] <anonimasu> plc ;)
[21:41:51] <anonimasu> joint 0 following error
[21:41:54] <anonimasu> is what I get ;)
[21:42:18] <robin_sz> sounds like a following error
[21:42:25] <anonimasu> yeah for all moves :)
[21:42:28] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:42:32] <robin_sz> on joint 0
[21:43:00] <anonimasu> on all joints
[21:43:01] <anonimasu> :)
[21:43:18] <robin_sz> thats quite broken then :)
[21:43:44] <anonimasu> yeah the config file was working before :/
[21:43:54] <CIA-9> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/ (hal_stg.c hal_stg.h): added some more code, revised the way shm stuff is organised. needs testing.
[21:44:39] <alex_joni> dang it's hot..
[21:44:48] <alex_joni> I need a better wateercooler
[21:44:49] <alex_joni> :D
[21:45:19] <robin_sz> I was thinking of diverting some laser chiller water to office cooling duties :)
[21:45:26] <alex_joni> heh
[21:45:33] <alex_joni> how low does it chill?
[21:45:39] <robin_sz> low
[21:45:44] <alex_joni> nice
[21:45:48] <robin_sz> I set it at aroud 12 degrees
[21:45:54] <robin_sz> but it will go lower
[21:45:58] <alex_joni> nice
[21:46:02] <alex_joni> compressor based?
[21:46:05] <robin_sz> and its rated at 45kw
[21:46:12] <alex_joni> heh.. a lot
[21:46:20] <robin_sz> the laser only pumps out 30kw, so there room for more
[21:46:21] <anonimasu> plenty :D
[21:46:34] <anonimasu> you should heat the office during winter
[21:46:39] <robin_sz> yeah compreessor based .. 2 18Amp 3 phase compressors
[21:46:43] <alex_joni> nice
[21:46:51] <alex_joni> changed a transformer today
[21:47:01] <alex_joni> I'm adding 2 more axes to a robot
[21:47:04] <robin_sz> say, 2.5m long, 1.5m tall ... 800mm deep
[21:47:24] <alex_joni> changed a 3500 VA transformer with a 4000 VA one ;)
[21:47:28] <robin_sz> wow
[21:47:36] <robin_sz> big robot]
[21:47:41] <alex_joni> not that big difference.. but it has 2 secondary circuits
[21:47:45] <robin_sz> and it pulls that power?
[21:47:48] <alex_joni> 3x140 and 3x220
[21:47:51] <alex_joni> yeah
[21:47:52] <anonimasu> lol
[21:47:54] <robin_sz> wow
[21:47:57] <alex_joni> it's for the servo's
[21:48:07] <alex_joni> the 3x220 2000VA is for 2 axes :D
[21:48:11] <robin_sz> and this is a welding bot?
[21:48:14] <anonimasu> alex_joni: think you could steal me one?
[21:48:16] <alex_joni> yup
[21:48:23] <alex_joni> anonimasu: a trafo?
[21:48:23] <anonimasu> great!
[21:48:26] <alex_joni> or a robot?
[21:48:28] <robin_sz> so it has to mve a 2kg torch at around 1m a minute?
[21:48:32] <anonimasu> nah, I dont want a stinking trafo..
[21:48:34] <alex_joni> the yup was for anonimasu
[21:48:36] <anonimasu> a robot.. :D
[21:48:37] <alex_joni> dang
[21:48:43] <alex_joni> the yup was for robin_sz
[21:48:53] <alex_joni> robin_sz: it's for the external axes
[21:48:55] <anonimasu> surely no one would notice ;)
[21:48:58] <anonimasu> :D
[21:49:08] <alex_joni> robin_sz: big 2 axes positioner
[21:49:08] <robin_sz> alex_joni: ahhm, the part rotator?
[21:49:11] <robin_sz> right
[21:49:12] <alex_joni> right
[21:49:15] <alex_joni> turn/tilt
[21:49:19] <alex_joni> 25000N ;)
[21:49:33] <robin_sz> i thought the idea was a robot meant you didnt need turn tilt?
[21:49:38] <alex_joni> weighs about 9 tons :)
[21:49:44] <alex_joni> robin_sz: not really..
[21:49:54] <alex_joni> you need to turn/tilt the part for productivity
[21:50:00] <robin_sz> i guess you still dont want to weld uspdie down
[21:50:05] <alex_joni> right
[21:50:14] <alex_joni> I wanna weld V welds if possible
[21:50:21] <robin_sz> in the flat
[21:50:21] <alex_joni> so turn/tilt the workpiece in place
[21:50:26] <alex_joni> right
[21:50:44] <robin_sz> mig question for you ...
[21:50:52] <robin_sz> manual mig that is ...
[21:50:54] <alex_joni> also.. you need external axes for big parts
[21:51:04] <alex_joni> ask away.. not sure I can answer.. but we'll see
[21:51:10] <anonimasu> heh
[21:51:18] <anonimasu> alex_joni: you are soon to be a weld engineer :D
[21:51:22] <alex_joni> right
[21:51:23] <robin_sz> the books tell you to point the torch forward at arounf 15 to 20 degrees
[21:51:32] <alex_joni> depends on what you need
[21:51:36] <alex_joni> the point forward
[21:51:51] <alex_joni> point forward/backward determines the shape of the weld
[21:51:52] <robin_sz> yeah, I know forhand, backhand, penetration nice finish ...
[21:51:56] <robin_sz> anyway ...
[21:51:58] <alex_joni> right
[21:52:07] <alex_joni> 15 is pretty much I'd say
[21:52:10] <robin_sz> I see a lot of welders using it almost vertical
[21:52:12] <alex_joni> 5-10 is usuaö
[21:52:14] <alex_joni> right
[21:52:18] <alex_joni> vertical is best ;)
[21:52:27] <alex_joni> at least for robotic welding that's best
[21:52:27] <robin_sz> and no weave
[21:52:39] <alex_joni> well.. no weave means better penetration
[21:52:49] <robin_sz> ok ...
[21:52:56] <alex_joni> but also problems with gap-filling
[21:53:02] <alex_joni> or side penetration
[21:53:09] <alex_joni> it depends on the app.
[21:53:22] <anonimasu> and ultimately on your skill.. :D
[21:53:25] <anonimasu> robin_sz: dont go there..
[21:53:28] <anonimasu> just buy a robot ;)
[21:53:29] <alex_joni> you know the theory that point backward means better penetration?
[21:53:38] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:53:40] <alex_joni> it's only ok for low currents
[21:53:43] <robin_sz> and forward makes aneat pass
[21:53:47] <robin_sz> oh?
[21:53:48] <robin_sz> low?
[21:53:53] <alex_joni> at more than 300 amps it doesn't matter
[21:53:58] <robin_sz> oh I kow
[21:54:02] <robin_sz> dip and sparay
[21:54:03] <alex_joni> you can point it anywhere you like.. it's the same
[21:54:05] <robin_sz> spray
[21:54:20] <alex_joni> yeah.. so pointing forward/backward is for dip
[21:54:29] <robin_sz> I can hit spray mode on 1mm wire at around 300A
[21:54:30] <alex_joni> but .. if you got the chance.. do pulsed :D
[21:54:41] <alex_joni> seems a bit high for 1.0 mm
[21:54:44] <anonimasu> alex_joni: cheap mig's ;)
[21:54:55] <alex_joni> anonimasu: I know.. I sell them too
[21:54:55] <anonimasu> 300A is neat :D
[21:55:00] <alex_joni> not really ;)
[21:55:04] <robin_sz> its a 500A set ...
[21:55:11] <anonimasu> alex_joni: low?
[21:55:12] <alex_joni> that's more like it :)
[21:55:17] <alex_joni> but definately not with 1.0
[21:55:19] <robin_sz> Murex Transmig 500
[21:55:24] <alex_joni> I welded some 480 with 1.2
[21:55:28] <alex_joni> not very good
[21:55:34] <alex_joni> wanna try out some 1.4 wire
[21:55:38] <alex_joni> and 1.6 after that
[21:55:51] <robin_sz> I mainly use 0.8mm
[21:55:53] <alex_joni> oh.. and almost forgot .. Tandem too ;)
[21:55:59] <robin_sz> at around 120A
[21:56:08] <alex_joni> that's ok for thin sheets
[21:56:13] <alex_joni> < 3-4 mm
[21:56:15] <anonimasu> how thin is thin..
[21:56:16] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:56:16] <anonimasu> heh
[21:56:20] <anonimasu> that's not thin :D
[21:56:23] <anonimasu> 0.8 is thin.
[21:56:27] <alex_joni> 40 mm is medium
[21:56:28] <robin_sz> thats tig
[21:56:35] <alex_joni> can't weld 0.8 mig
[21:56:40] <alex_joni> tig is problematic
[21:56:43] <alex_joni> at 0.8
[21:56:47] <anonimasu> you can do it with tig..
[21:56:48] <robin_sz> really?
[21:57:00] <alex_joni> you can do it.. but you need a good hand
[21:57:03] <robin_sz> tig woudl be my choice
[21:57:05] <alex_joni> and also.. depends on the material
[21:57:06] <robin_sz> pulsed
[21:57:07] <anonimasu> but well, at 10a pulsed..
[21:57:14] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[21:57:15] <alex_joni> my choice would be micro-plasma ;)
[21:57:18] <robin_sz> heh
[21:57:18] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:57:24] <robin_sz> so ...
[21:57:30] <robin_sz> one more question
[21:57:32] <robin_sz> ;)
[21:57:32] <anonimasu> but a tig is more versatile :D
[21:57:32] <alex_joni> tried one out a while ago
[21:57:33] <alex_joni> :D
[21:57:36] <robin_sz> alumimuim MIG
[21:57:40] <alex_joni> it does tig too
[21:57:45] <alex_joni> robin_sz: shoot
[21:57:49] <robin_sz> what do I need?
[21:57:54] <anonimasu> alex_joni: 0-xxxxA
[21:57:54] <alex_joni> alu wire
[21:57:59] <robin_sz> uh huh ...
[21:58:01] <anonimasu> right gas
[21:58:08] <alex_joni> right bowden
[21:58:14] <alex_joni> dunno how you call it
[21:58:17] <anonimasu> ar-mison.. I think..
[21:58:19] <robin_sz> linet
[21:58:20] <alex_joni> the wire guide
[21:58:21] <robin_sz> liner
[21:58:30] <alex_joni> you need a teflon one
[21:58:34] <anonimasu> and a _GOOD_ wrire feeder..
[21:58:37] <alex_joni> not metal
[21:58:39] <dmess> high all...
[21:58:41] <alex_joni> anonimasu: most will work
[21:58:52] <alex_joni> and you need to change the driving rollers
[21:59:01] <alex_joni> need special wheels for alu
[21:59:01] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I've tried it before, it wouldnt work..
[21:59:12] <dmess> an a340 just piled into the end of the runway in to @ pearson int airport
[21:59:13] <anonimasu> it squished the wire..
[21:59:17] <alex_joni> they need to have some small teeth
[21:59:29] <robin_sz> I have 4 roll feed
[21:59:31] <alex_joni> and less pressure on the wire like on normal
[21:59:35] <anonimasu> mind you this was a old easb mig ;)
[21:59:38] <alex_joni> you need to change the rolls
[21:59:39] <robin_sz> (I think)
[21:59:42] <alex_joni> the driving ones
[22:00:00] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[22:00:09] <dmess> drive rolls on the esab could be smooth too
[22:00:32] <alex_joni> for alu you need not smooth rolls
[22:00:36] <anonimasu> yep
[22:00:39] <anonimasu> * anonimasu didnt know..
[22:00:51] <alex_joni> so: rolls, teflon liner, alu wire, gas
[22:00:58] <robin_sz> gas?
[22:01:02] <robin_sz> what gas?
[22:01:15] <anonimasu> alex-joni: argon-mison right?
[22:01:22] <dmess> yup sound like the right setup
[22:01:30] <alex_joni> argon-mison?
[22:01:32] <robin_sz> mison?
[22:01:33] <alex_joni> what's that?
[22:01:38] <anonimasu> a gas..
[22:01:39] <dmess> alu... argon.. i believe??
[22:01:47] <alex_joni> dmess: yes..
[22:01:51] <anonimasu> for tigs it's pure argon
[22:01:54] <robin_sz> I have pure argon? should I try that?
[22:02:05] <dmess> absolutely...
[22:02:07] <alex_joni> you can weld mig with pure argon
[22:02:09] <alex_joni> so ..why not
[22:02:18] <anonimasu> http://www.us.lindegas.com/International/Web/LG/US/likelgus.nsf/DocByAlias/nav_prod_bulk_mison
[22:02:26] <dmess> precisely why not??
[22:02:30] <anonimasu> MISON Ar (Argon + NO)
[22:02:34] <alex_joni> Ar 100.. is ok for all materials
[22:02:43] <alex_joni> He 100 is for Alu and copper
[22:02:44] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[22:02:59] <alex_joni> He 0-95 , rest argon is for Alu and copper
[22:03:00] <dmess> si... thats spanis for oui
[22:03:14] <alex_joni> rest of gases are for MAG
[22:03:24] <dmess> mig
[22:03:36] <anonimasu> alex_joni: i was going to ask, is breathing argon dangerous?
[22:03:37] <anonimasu> :D
[22:03:38] <alex_joni> these are for mig (Ar, He, ArHe)
[22:03:53] <alex_joni> anonimasu: it's not very good.. not toxic either
[22:04:06] <dmess> dont breathe the inert gasses...
[22:04:08] <alex_joni> but.. if you breathe a lot.. you'll lack the oxigen, and die
[22:04:14] <anonimasu> ah, I know.
[22:04:25] <alex_joni> also.. watch out for the Helium
[22:04:30] <anonimasu> yeah..
[22:04:33] <alex_joni> don't try funny stuff with it
[22:04:42] <anonimasu> breathing argon makes you queazy.
[22:04:45] <dmess> some are heavier than air.. and displace your breathing capacity
[22:04:48] <anonimasu> dont ask how I know..
[22:04:53] <Jymmm> * Jymmm shoves alex_joni into a weather ballon!
[22:05:07] <alex_joni> dmess: right.. then you need to stand upside down for it to run out
[22:05:10] <alex_joni> for real
[22:05:19] <Jymmm> That's IN TO, not towards.
[22:05:20] <alex_joni> seen a guy once at a show
[22:05:45] <alex_joni> took some gas that made his voice sounds a lot deeper
[22:05:47] <dmess> and caugh... while a FRIEND... perforns some anal probing...
[22:06:02] <alex_joni> blows air with a straw
[22:06:02] <alex_joni> LOL
[22:06:23] <alex_joni> instead of the anal probing :D
[22:06:31] <dmess> for that you need a GOD friend...
[22:06:38] <dmess> GOOD
[22:06:46] <alex_joni> LOL
[22:06:49] <alex_joni> anyways..
[22:06:52] <alex_joni> going to bed
[22:06:59] <alex_joni> robin_sz: hope I answered your question
[22:07:01] <dmess> be well.. ; )
[22:07:04] <anonimasu> alex_joni: and about the guy at the show?
[22:07:08] <alex_joni> ahh..
[22:07:09] <anonimasu> did he survive?
[22:07:09] <robin_sz> I think so
[22:07:16] <alex_joni> he had to stand on his head for a while
[22:07:20] <anonimasu> LOL
[22:07:20] <alex_joni> for the gas to run out
[22:07:23] <robin_sz> so its ALu wire and argon gas, a descent liner ..
[22:07:26] <alex_joni> it was ok
[22:07:34] <robin_sz> and just a plain old DC. CV mig
[22:07:38] <alex_joni> robin_sz: make sure it's not a metal liner
[22:07:49] <robin_sz> ok
[22:07:52] <alex_joni> robin_sz: a pulsed one would be best
[22:08:01] <alex_joni> one that has some alu-synergy lines in it
[22:08:18] <dmess> and lube the liner... add a felt patch to clean your wire..
[22:08:28] <alex_joni> some got alu-puls
[22:08:33] <anonimasu> dmess: teflon liners.. :)
[22:08:41] <alex_joni> that's a low frequency pulsing
[22:08:46] <alex_joni> about 40 Hz
[22:08:47] <robin_sz> I just wanted to try it in my 500A mig set
[22:08:49] <dmess> cool.. but clean wire too
[22:09:03] <alex_joni> you need to run AC
[22:09:08] <robin_sz> oh
[22:09:10] <anonimasu> if you need to clean you've got too little amperage ;)
[22:09:12] <alex_joni> not sure DC will take care of the oxides
[22:09:27] <anonimasu> if it dosent weld, crank it up till it welds *joking*
[22:09:43] <alex_joni> the problem with alu is the melting point
[22:09:48] <alex_joni> it's not very high
[22:09:54] <alex_joni> about 600 iirc
[22:10:18] <alex_joni> but the oxides that form on the alu have a much HIGHER melting point
[22:10:44] <alex_joni> so you'll increase the power to melt the oxides, and when they melt the alu below will just start to flow
[22:10:47] <alex_joni> very bad
[22:10:53] <alex_joni> so you need AC
[22:10:54] <dmess> you will need LOTSA power and dont be scared to crank up the wire speed
[22:11:10] <alex_joni> the negative period takes care of the oxides
[22:11:17] <alex_joni> and the positiv one is for the actual welding
[22:11:25] <alex_joni> pretty neat ;)
[22:11:34] <alex_joni> but... give it a shot in DC too
[22:11:40] <alex_joni> maybe it'll work
[22:11:47] <dmess> it'l have an oxide pool for yu to poke the wire into and keep it moving...
[22:13:09] <dmess> as it rolls along your wire speed rolls the puddle over in the direction your going... push you puddle
[22:13:55] <dmess> and let the oxide cover and shield yur perfect looking weld
[22:15:54] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[22:15:57] <alex_joni> night guys
[22:16:58] <Jacky^> hello
[22:17:28] <anonimasu> hello jacky
[22:17:40] <Jacky^> hi anonimasu :-)
[22:19:12] <anonimasu> now lets see if emc2 will work
[22:19:59] <anonimasu> again
[22:21:21] <anonimasu> iniaxis.cc 226: bad return from emcAxisSetBacklash
[22:21:21] <anonimasu> iniaxis.cc 226: bad return from emcAxisSetBacklash
[22:21:21] <anonimasu> iniaxis.cc 226: bad return from emcAxisSetBacklash
[22:21:21] <anonimasu> bad return value from emcTrajSetAxes
[22:21:21] <anonimasu> iniaxis.cc 226: bad return from emcAxisSetBacklash
[22:23:13] <Jacky^> during the compilation ?
[22:23:21] <anonimasu> no
[22:23:42] <anonimasu> during run
[22:23:45] <Jacky^> mmhh
[22:23:54] <Jacky^> the msg seem clear
[22:24:09] <anonimasu> clear?
[22:24:20] <Jacky^> clean ?
[22:24:32] <anonimasu> I wonder if it's the config error or if it's broken
[22:24:33] <anonimasu> :)
[22:24:37] <Jacky^> should be backlash setting, or not ?
[22:25:57] <anonimasu> wait a bit
[22:25:59] <anonimasu> going to try it
[22:31:19] <anonimasu> Jacky^: I broke something :D
[22:32:08] <Jacky^> what ?
[22:32:33] <Jacky^> :\
[22:32:54] <anonimasu> just my config
[22:32:58] <anonimasu> and now I deleted it by accident
[22:33:28] <Jacky^> :)
[22:34:19] <Jacky^> I usually backup all config file in my home dir
[22:34:22] <anonimasu> not a big deal I have a backup :)
[22:34:31] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:38:07] <anonimasu> now lets see.
[22:38:25] <anonimasu> joint 0 following error
[22:38:34] <Jacky^> uhmm
[22:38:59] <Jacky^> I would ask about following error ..
[22:39:02] <anonimasu> ask?
[22:39:42] <Jacky^> I changed Period value in my mill_frq.ini as paul_c said to me yesterday
[22:39:54] <Jacky^> now i've another problem,,
[22:40:00] <anonimasu> tell me about it
[22:40:17] <Jacky^> i get following error on all axes
[22:40:35] <Jacky^> before the valus for period was 0.00002
[22:40:48] <Jacky^> an it frequently crashed
[22:41:06] <anonimasu> oh, too low maybe..
[22:41:13] <Jacky^> yeah
[22:41:24] <Jacky^> i changed in 0.00020
[22:41:35] <Jacky^> but i get following error
[22:41:48] <Jacky^> max speed for axis 0 was 5
[22:41:59] <Jacky^> axis 1 4
[22:42:04] <Jacky^> axis 2 5
[22:42:15] <Jacky^> and was working fine
[22:42:33] <Jacky^> now work only if i set these variables to 2
[22:42:40] <Jacky^> but it's too slow :\
[22:42:46] <Jacky^> is it normal ?
[22:43:06] <anonimasu> well, what system do you have?
[22:43:21] <anonimasu> it works now..
[22:43:26] <anonimasu> just had ferror set way too low :)
[22:43:27] <Jacky^> celeron 900 256 mb ram
[22:43:42] <anonimasu> how manu pulses per mm does that equal to?
[22:43:53] <Jacky^> the value 0.00020 its right, sure
[22:44:05] <Jacky^> how many pulses ? :\
[22:44:09] <anonimasu> but the input_scale
[22:44:09] <Jacky^> no idea..
[22:44:20] <anonimasu> check it
[22:44:21] <anonimasu> :9
[22:44:29] <Jacky^> why ?
[22:44:51] <Jacky^> changing the period is it necessary also to change input scale ?
[22:45:03] <anonimasu> no
[22:45:08] <Jacky^> ah..ok
[22:45:09] <anonimasu> but I am curious to see
[22:45:46] <Jacky^> tomorrow i will copy the uotput debug of dmesg into a usb pendrive..
[22:45:56] <Jacky^> the emc pc is away from here :(
[22:46:03] <anonimasu> yeah grab a copy of your config also
[22:46:04] <anonimasu> :)
[22:46:12] <Jacky^> anyway input scale it's right
[22:46:21] <anonimasu> I've had my fair share of trouble with emc2..
[22:46:24] <Jacky^> 20 cm of working area
[22:46:33] <anonimasu> but getting it to work should be no trouble..
[22:46:42] <anonimasu> yeah but are you pushing more pulses then you are able to..
[22:46:47] <anonimasu> and what are ferror set to?
[22:46:49] <Jacky^> is emc2 stable at all now ?
[22:46:53] <anonimasu> ferror and min_ferror
[22:47:01] <anonimasu> oh, I've been running emc2 for a couple of months..
[22:47:03] <anonimasu> or well longer
[22:47:21] <Jacky^> can't remember.. i think default values of mill_freq.ini
[22:47:31] <Jacky^> it's stable ?
[22:47:31] <anonimasu> are your machine in metric or "
[22:47:35] <Jacky^> mm
[22:47:41] <anonimasu> stable as in works for making parts with?
[22:47:57] <Jacky^> wood ?
[22:48:09] <anonimasu> or what do you mean
[22:48:16] <anonimasu> I've been making lots of prototypes with it..
[22:48:23] <Jacky^> i was talking about emc2
[22:48:30] <Jacky^> if is stable or not
[22:48:34] <anonimasu> yes.. but what do you mean with stable...
[22:48:39] <anonimasu> do you mean as in stable release..
[22:48:42] <Jacky^> :)
[22:48:42] <anonimasu> or stable as in working good?
[22:48:48] <Jacky^> no.. i know
[22:49:07] <anonimasu> it works great
[22:49:09] <anonimasu> :)
[22:49:11] <Jacky^> is it unstable (maybe beta version) or develop ver..
[22:49:29] <Jacky^> i would like to try it
[22:49:37] <anonimasu> I found it working better then emc1 for my needs..
[22:49:55] <Jacky^> some new stuff ?
[22:50:07] <anonimasu> hm, not too much
[22:50:18] <anonimasu> looks the same & feels the same
[22:52:14] <Jacky^> i think the heart bit will be different :)
[22:52:36] <anonimasu> heh ;)
[22:52:39] <Jacky^> I will try it ..
[22:52:46] <Jacky^> some day
[22:58:51] <Jacky^> I would like to try servo's
[22:59:07] <anonimasu> :)
[22:59:23] <Jacky^> i'm looking for a good controller
[22:59:40] <Jacky^> i prefer to build anything from my self
[23:01:31] <Jacky^> but for servo's controllers seem to be hard..
[23:01:47] <anonimasu> dont bother..
[23:02:06] <anonimasu> you are much better off buying something that's been used before
[23:02:34] <Jacky^> the problem is where..
[23:02:49] <anonimasu> www.picosystems.com
[23:03:58] <Jacky^> well.. i will see
[23:04:06] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[23:04:10] <anonimasu> I think I'll use thoose for the lathe
[23:04:23] <anonimasu> my sanity kind of broke yesterday..
[23:04:30] <anonimasu> I am going to buy some servos off ebay..
[23:04:35] <anonimasu> and machine motor mounts for them
[23:04:40] <Jacky^> nice
[23:04:58] <Jacky^> servo's should be more fast than stepper right ?
[23:04:58] <anonimasu> but it's a later project..
[23:05:04] <anonimasu> yes
[23:05:20] <anonimasu> I have servos on the mill now
[23:05:26] <anonimasu> with gecko g340's
[23:05:31] <Jacky^> cool
[23:05:58] <Jacky^> I want to try :))
[23:06:01] <anonimasu> servos are good if you need the speed..
[23:06:06] <Jacky^> yeah
[23:06:12] <anonimasu> but if you cant afford it you can build nice machines with steppers
[23:06:17] <Jymmm> anonimasu what you pay for the servos?
[23:06:37] <anonimasu> Jymmm: 562$ each..
[23:07:35] <anonimasu> :/
[23:07:43] <Jacky^> anonimasu: how much the area of work ?
[23:07:50] <anonimasu> dont know..
[23:07:56] <anonimasu> thoose are small servos..
[23:08:07] <anonimasu> if I buy them in US they are 460 each for slightly larger ones..
[23:08:08] <Jacky^> I suppose will be great area
[23:08:14] <anonimasu> not really
[23:09:22] <anonimasu> emc2 works nicely again..
[23:09:27] <Jacky^> beh.. small wan't mean feww efficient :)
[23:09:49] <anonimasu> the problem is inertia matching, but I can live with much less torque then I have now..
[23:10:05] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:10:17] <paul_c> nite
[23:10:34] <anonimasu> I would do lots of things different on a new machine
[23:10:43] <anonimasu> I'd buy my motor mounts.. instead of machining them..
[23:10:48] <anonimasu> if I didnt have a cnc mill already..
[23:11:10] <Jacky^> ah :(
[23:11:19] <anonimasu> I'd never have messed with it..
[23:11:32] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:11:33] <anonimasu> just paid the cash for a macine shop to build them..
[23:11:43] <anonimasu> and ordered the ballscrews pre-machined
[23:11:55] <anonimasu> since that's a option that costs a few extra $
[23:12:28] <anonimasu> err just a few..
[23:14:50] <Jacky^> well.. I can continue with my toy machine
[23:15:06] <Jacky^> I need a true machine now
[23:15:25] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is currently holding out until he finds a real cnc mill with broken controller
[23:15:33] <anonimasu> I've missed quite a few
[23:15:33] <anonimasu> :/
[23:15:40] <anonimasu> but I am going to own a machining centre.
[23:15:43] <anonimasu> someday
[23:16:01] <anonimasu> or well, a larger/more rigid mill
[23:16:12] <Jacky^> nice :)
[23:16:36] <Jacky^> that what I also need :(
[23:16:46] <anonimasu> I've missed lots of good deals..
[23:16:59] <anonimasu> most of the machines are too large to fit in my garage/shop..
[23:17:05] <Jacky^> ouch :(
[23:17:35] <Jacky^> let me know if you meet some good offer
[23:17:36] <anonimasu> eventually the attic will go to make room for one ;)
[23:17:43] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:17:50] <anonimasu> Jacky^: it's the shipping that gets expensive..
[23:18:00] <anonimasu> otherwise I'd buy a VMC off ebay
[23:18:04] <Jacky^> right ..
[23:18:14] <Jacky^> in the US ?
[23:18:15] <Jymmm> anonimasu : Well, quit whining about it and clear that shit out and GET ER DONE!
[23:18:32] <anonimasu> Jymmm: ER?
[23:18:40] <Jymmm> say it out loud
[23:19:14] <anonimasu> whaddayamean?
[23:19:22] <Jymmm> google 'Larry the cable guy'
[23:20:58] <anonimasu> Jymmm: talking about the stuff I would have done, was only to be helpful..
[23:21:03] <Yuga> boo!!!
[23:21:19] <anonimasu> Jymmm: always keeps somone from repeating the same stuff :)
[23:21:21] <Jacky^> hello Yuga
[23:21:28] <Yuga> lo there Jacky^
[23:21:28] <Jymmm> anonimasu didn't you r mom (or somebody) already gave you the ok to yank out the roof (attic)?
[23:21:35] <anonimasu> yeah.. ;)
[23:21:54] <anonimasu> but the work involved will keep it there quite a while more
[23:22:04] <Jymmm> anonimasu ok then, have you even bothered to even LOOK up there to see what needs to be removed yet?
[23:22:23] <anonimasu> Jymmm: yes, floor/isolation/stuff in the attic..
[23:22:36] <anonimasu> the stuff is the worst part..
[23:22:43] <Jymmm> anonimasu: ok, start with the stuff!
[23:22:45] <anonimasu> moving it meand it has to go somewhere..
[23:22:51] <anonimasu> and where I dont know ;)
[23:22:58] <Jymmm> to the curb
[23:23:08] <anonimasu> mother's and father's stuff..
[23:23:17] <anonimasu> well, no time for that either..
[23:23:29] <Jymmm> if it's been up there more than a year, get rid of it!
[23:23:35] <anonimasu> in reality I'd have a moderately sized machine
[23:23:39] <anonimasu> i'd rather.
[23:23:49] <anonimasu> but they end up expensive
[23:23:56] <anonimasu> like 20x the price of a larger mill..
[23:24:34] <Jymmm> move the insulation to between the roof structs.
[23:24:40] <Jymmm> struts
[23:25:15] <anonimasu> might be able to hoist the mill in place from top..
[23:25:16] <Jymmm> reroute the electrical
[23:25:24] <anonimasu> only removing a chunk..
[23:25:58] <Jymmm> you can still keep the area above the garage door as storage area
[23:26:05] <anonimasu> 2 doors..
[23:26:09] <anonimasu> :)
[23:26:18] <Jymmm> swing out or up ?
[23:26:23] <anonimasu> up.
[23:26:46] <Jymmm> then there ya go.... extra storage.... just todd up some simple racking
[23:26:46] <anonimasu> I wonder if it could be done that way..
[23:27:53] <Jymmm> just take down a couple of boxes each week
[23:28:02] <anonimasu> hehe
[23:28:21] <Jymmm> but if you never start, you'll never will
[23:29:01] <Jymmm> then we just have to hear ya whine about 'no space' ya lazy bastard! lol
[23:29:31] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I am trying to "brake"
[23:29:37] <Jymmm> brake?
[23:29:44] <anonimasu> I was going to refrain from converting the lathe to cnc..
[23:29:55] <Jymmm> ah
[23:30:06] <anonimasu> but, what's the point in resisting.. I've got half of the toolchanger completed..
[23:31:04] <Jymmm> tell ya what.... fly me out there, gimme your servo motors/encoders/drivers and I'll clear out that attic for you in one day!
[23:31:14] <anonimasu> hah
[23:31:32] <anonimasu> it'd be cheaper if I gave you my car :D
[23:31:40] <Jymmm> I only need a ladder, chain saw, and two gallons of gasoline
[23:31:52] <Jacky^> Jymmm: need help ?
[23:31:56] <anonimasu> gasoline is fun ;)
[23:32:07] <Jacky^> to clear the attic :P
[23:32:28] <Jymmm> Jacky^ you can patcht he hole in the roof
[23:32:43] <Jacky^> lol
[23:33:24] <robin_sz> mmm ...
[23:33:38] <robin_sz> you know this "yank out the roof" plan ...
[23:33:51] <Jacky^> i will came with the flamethrower
[23:34:17] <Jacky^> ten minuts of work ..
[23:34:19] <robin_sz> you know how the bits that the ceiling is fastened to ...
[23:34:43] <robin_sz> well ... they usually form the bottom bit of a triangle ...
[23:34:59] <anonimasu> robin_sz: yep
[23:35:02] <robin_sz> cut them out and the roof trusses eventually spread and push the walls over
[23:35:23] <anonimasu> yep
[23:35:33] <robin_sz> just a thought
[23:36:04] <robin_sz> or where you planning just to tkae out a small section of ceiling
[23:36:33] <anonimasu> a small section..
[23:36:35] <anonimasu> or maybe all..
[23:36:45] <anonimasu> I dont even know if I should bother and just look for a smaller machine
[23:37:15] <anonimasu> and shell out a lot of more money..
[23:37:24] <Jymmm> anonimasu : if you leave the ceiling area above the garage door, you can put in a drop-down ladder up there too
[23:37:46] <Jymmm> easy storage
[23:37:58] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:38:23] <Jymmm> are both garage doors the same width?
[23:38:29] <anonimasu> yes
[23:38:31] <Jymmm> or one double and a single?
[23:38:38] <anonimasu> two double ones..
[23:39:07] <Jymmm> well, shit... there ya go.... leave half in tact and tear out the other
[23:39:19] <anonimasu> it's common ^
[23:39:23] <Jymmm> just watch out for those load supporting ones =)
[23:40:22] <Jymmm> anonimasu whats the climate like there? snow in the winter?
[23:40:26] <anonimasu> yes
[23:40:28] <anonimasu> lots of snow
[23:40:42] <Jymmm> you have pellet stoves there?
[23:40:48] <anonimasu> some do
[23:41:05] <anonimasu> and ~+15-35c in the summer..
[23:41:20] <Jymmm> you could toss a pellet stove on the workshop side and work in the winter time
[23:41:20] <Jacky^> nice
[23:41:21] <anonimasu> and from 0 to -40 in the winter.. sometimes
[23:41:30] <anonimasu> got a nice electric heater
[23:41:34] <robin_sz> and 20 inches of snow ...
[23:41:44] <Jymmm> electric heater is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[23:41:50] <anonimasu> not quite
[23:42:09] <anonimasu> robin_sz: what's that in meter?
[23:42:11] <anonimasu> :D
[23:42:17] <anonimasu> *lazy*
[23:42:20] <robin_sz> heh
[23:42:26] <Jacky^> anonimasu: are you in Germany ?
[23:42:28] <robin_sz> ok, 60cm of snow
[23:42:28] <anonimasu> 0.5m
[23:42:31] <anonimasu> heh
[23:42:39] <anonimasu> more like 2m
[23:42:43] <robin_sz> nice
[23:43:11] <anonimasu> or well, I might have taken a bit too much
[23:43:14] <anonimasu> but it's lots of snow..
[23:43:24] <robin_sz> awesome ..
[23:43:28] <Jymmm> anonimasu I want a pic of the icciles hanging down from the mill's spindle =)
[23:44:17] <anonimasu> Jymmm: heh
[23:45:19] <Jacky^> Yuga: hey
[23:45:28] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[23:45:37] <anonimasu> * anonimasu does the emc2-working dance
[23:46:15] <Jacky^> robin_sz: have you experience in period variables ?
[23:46:38] <robin_sz> oops, seems I *DID* start a religious war on the gecko list ;)
[23:46:49] <anonimasu> Jacky^: tweak them lower and lower... until the box locks up..
[23:46:52] <anonimasu> then increase them a bit ;)
[23:47:22] <robin_sz> Jacky^: they always seemed random and unecessary to me .. I saw them as just an annoyance
[23:47:25] <Jacky^> anonimasu: yeah, but I can't uderstand why the speed is slow..
[23:47:58] <anonimasu> Jacky^: give me your input_scale
[23:48:00] <Jacky^> very slow
[23:48:03] <anonimasu> ie steps per inch
[23:48:08] <anonimasu> if you do inch
[23:48:23] <Jacky^> i'm using mm ..
[23:48:28] <Jacky^> well, ok, np
[23:48:35] <anonimasu> ok, how many stepps per mm do you have?
[23:48:36] <Jacky^> well see tomorrow
[23:48:51] <Jacky^> can't remember :((
[23:48:52] <anonimasu> and does your drive's have multipliers on them?
[23:48:57] <anonimasu> 2x 3x and so on
[23:49:23] <Jacky^> the only thing I remember is the vel value: 5
[23:49:31] <anonimasu> that's VERY SLOW
[23:49:31] <Jacky^> for axes
[23:49:57] <Jacky^> wtih 0.00002 as period wasnt slow
[23:49:57] <anonimasu> grab a copy of your config until tomorrow
[23:50:04] <Jacky^> ok
[23:50:07] <anonimasu> and we will have a look at it
[23:50:07] <anonimasu> :9
[23:50:08] <anonimasu> :)
[23:50:12] <Jacky^> :)
[23:50:33] <Jacky^> another problem i've is the router
[23:50:51] <Jacky^> sometime during the job the tools go down :\
[23:51:10] <anonimasu> go down?
[23:51:12] <anonimasu> fall/slip
[23:51:18] <Jacky^> it does not tighten well
[23:51:23] <Jacky^> the screw on the router
[23:51:35] <Jacky^> the mandrel
[23:51:37] <anonimasu> are thoose weldon shanks?
[23:52:08] <Jacky^> ?
[23:52:15] <Jacky^> cant translate :(
[23:52:37] <Jacky^> I will change router ..
[23:53:05] <Jacky^> bosch should be better than B&C, I hope..
[23:53:15] <anonimasu> hm, yeah
[23:53:56] <Jacky^> B&C/ Black and Decker ..
[23:54:26] <anonimasu> they should be ok also
[23:54:33] <anonimasu> but well, I've never dealt with routers
[23:54:54] <Jacky^> robin_sz: you ?
[23:55:07] <Jacky^> dou you have a bosch router ?
[23:55:10] <anonimasu> no
[23:55:12] <robin_sz> black and decker? feck no
[23:55:14] <anonimasu> err
[23:55:15] <robin_sz> pile of shite :)
[23:55:24] <robin_sz> DeWalt
[23:55:38] <Jacky^> work fine ?
[23:55:39] <robin_sz> well, Elu ..
[23:55:44] <robin_sz> but became DeWalt
[23:55:48] <Jacky^> could you tell me a model ?
[23:56:06] <robin_sz> I got the 1800W one, with electronic speed control
[23:56:13] <Jacky^> wow
[23:56:16] <robin_sz> soft start
[23:56:23] <robin_sz> and tach feedback
[23:56:24] <Jacky^> 1800 W ?
[23:56:30] <Jacky^> how many rpm ?
[23:56:31] <robin_sz> so it pulls harder when under load
[23:56:34] <robin_sz> , mmm
[23:56:42] <robin_sz> might be 2200 w
[23:56:44] <anonimasu> load compensated..
[23:56:45] <Jacky^> should be fast
[23:56:46] <robin_sz> let me check
[23:57:31] <robin_sz> DW625 rings a bell ...
[23:57:41] <robin_sz> yeah that
[23:57:47] <Jacky^> robin_sz: thanks
[23:57:54] <Jacky^> I will check for it
[23:57:58] <robin_sz> the electronic speed control is a MUST HAVE item
[23:58:14] <Jacky^> ah, ok ..
[23:58:23] <Jacky^> should be very simple I suppose
[23:58:33] <robin_sz> its inbuilt,
[23:58:33] <Jacky^> some diode ?
[23:58:36] <robin_sz> nah
[23:58:38] <Jacky^> ok
[23:58:46] <robin_sz> its got a servo loop
[23:58:56] <robin_sz> and tach feedback
[23:58:57] <Jacky^> ah.. nice
[23:59:06] <robin_sz> as it hits harder into the wood,
[23:59:14] <robin_sz> it chucks more power in