#emc | Logs for 2005-07-15

[00:01:48] <fenn> i'm using 平行移動 for "offset." does that make sense?
[00:02:32] <fenn> heikou idou
[00:21:20] <Jacky^> anyone here ?
[00:24:29] <Jacky^> tomorrow I would like to machine a part I finish today, anyone can give me some tips about mill, diameter, etc.. to use ?
[00:25:48] <fenn> what material?
[00:26:00] <Jacky^> fenn: wood
[00:26:09] <robin_sz> oh, then use a router cutter
[00:26:23] <Jacky^> yes, router cutter..
[00:26:42] <Jacky^> but i'm not sure about mill diameter and type
[00:26:56] <robin_sz> well, is it a big or little part?
[00:27:04] <Jacky^> i can show the draw.. a moment
[00:27:08] <fenn> doesn't really matter for a one-off part, it will get finished eventually
[00:27:15] <robin_sz> true.
[00:27:26] <Jacky^> is here: http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=lastup&cat=&pos=0
[00:27:27] <fenn> big bit makes it go faster, up to the limit of the machine
[00:28:05] <Jacky^> do you think can I use a 3 mm ball nose for all ?
[00:28:25] <fenn> heh is that artcam?
[00:28:30] <Jacky^> yes..
[00:28:42] <Jacky^> i'm using vmware on linux :(
[00:28:59] <fenn> yeah you can use a 3mm bit for the whole thing, but it will take a while
[00:29:09] <fenn> it will go a lot faster if you can do waterlines
[00:29:28] <Jacky^> I suppose many hours ..
[00:29:38] <fenn> yeah
[00:30:09] <Jacky^> I can use 6 mm end mill, 6 mm ball nose or 3 mm ball nose..
[00:30:17] <Jacky^> nothing more for now ..
[00:30:21] <fenn> artcam has some neat features.. you can do a roughing cut, and then it will only cut the parts it needs to on the finish pass
[00:30:39] <Jacky^> yeah, I've seen
[00:30:48] <fenn> rough it out with the 6mm end mill, then finish with 3mm ball nose
[00:30:59] <fenn> if you can figure out how to do that
[00:31:20] <Jacky^> well,
[00:31:48] <fenn> and the other thing... the wood can chip if you do conventional milling
[00:32:04] <fenn> so do climb milling on the roughing pass
[00:32:37] <Jacky^> okay
[00:32:40] <Jacky^> :)
[00:33:14] <Jacky^> I will try to create the toolpath now, then simulate it..
[00:33:42] <Jacky^> thanks :D
[00:55:15] <alex_joni> greetings
[00:55:39] <alex_joni> hey John.. are you around?
[00:55:39] <robin_sz> greetings
[00:55:48] <jmkasunich> yeah
[00:55:53] <alex_joni> nice
[00:55:56] <alex_joni> what's up?
[00:55:57] <jmkasunich> waiting for the 2.6.12 debs to download
[00:56:00] <alex_joni> coo
[00:56:21] <jmkasunich> about 8 mins left
[00:56:29] <jmkasunich> I sure hope this is reversible
[00:56:39] <alex_joni> why shouldn't it be?
[00:56:50] <alex_joni> you can always apt-get remove them
[00:57:02] <alex_joni> and apt-get install the ones from the CD again
[00:57:06] <jmkasunich> 4 of the 5 debs are unique new ones, but one is an upgrade of an existing one... I guess it could be downgraded
[00:57:10] <alex_joni> but I don't think that's even necessary
[00:57:28] <alex_joni> which one's the upgrade?
[00:57:31] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich is just nervous
[00:57:42] <jmkasunich> rtai-dev I think
[00:57:47] <alex_joni> right
[00:57:51] <alex_joni> called the same
[00:58:17] <alex_joni> you might have configure finding 2 rtais after this
[00:58:35] <alex_joni> it did for me (but I had my own rtai installed)
[00:58:58] <jmkasunich> --with-rtdir= or something like that tells it which one to use, right?
[00:59:31] <alex_joni> yeah
[00:59:46] <alex_joni> but in your case the upgrade should take care of removing the old one
[00:59:52] <alex_joni> and installing the new one in place
[01:00:16] <jmkasunich> gonna find out in a few mins
[01:00:21] <alex_joni> ;)
[01:00:28] <alex_joni> ain't it nice to live on the edge?
[01:00:40] <jmkasunich> think I'll try ./configure before I boot to the new kernel, test the shmem example
[01:00:56] <alex_joni> oh.. btw, thx for reminding
[01:01:01] <alex_joni> I forgot to check in smthg
[01:01:24] <alex_joni> the defines in Makefile.inc.in to build the rtapi/examples modules
[01:01:31] <alex_joni> give me 5 mins
[01:01:40] <alex_joni> booting the bdi
[01:01:42] <jmkasunich> you get 1 min 16 seconds
[01:01:44] <alex_joni> back in a bit
[01:01:45] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[01:01:55] <alex_joni> nah.. BDI doesn't boot that fast
[01:05:46] <alex_joni> back
[01:05:52] <jmkasunich> configure isn't happy
[01:06:03] <jmkasunich> (just started investigating)
[01:06:14] <alex_joni> what's wrong?
[01:06:20] <jmkasunich> it found multiple RT signatures, wants me to tell it which one to use
[01:06:26] <jmkasunich> so I gotta find them
[01:06:29] <alex_joni> ahh.. you need to follow those steps for the kernel source too
[01:06:41] <jmkasunich> oh, from the wiki page?
[01:06:50] <alex_joni> I think /usr/lib/realtime is the rtai used with 2.6.10 iirc
[01:07:05] <alex_joni> and /usr/realtime is what paul used for 2.6.12-magma
[01:07:19] <alex_joni> yeah.. you need to untar the kernel source
[01:07:23] <alex_joni> copy the .config
[01:07:26] <alex_joni> make oldconfig
[01:07:32] <alex_joni> make prepare-all
[01:07:32] <fenn> i compiled 2.6.10 with rtai-3.2, which goes into /usr/realtime
[01:07:36] <alex_joni> then you'll be set
[01:07:46] <alex_joni> fenn: I'm talking deb packages here
[01:07:52] <fenn> oh m/n
[01:08:22] <alex_joni> fenn: what rtai did you use?
[01:08:41] <fenn> uh, i wrote everything i did on the wiki page :)
[01:09:15] <alex_joni> good boy
[01:09:19] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile.inc.in: added configs for the rtapi/examples modules
[01:09:28] <alex_joni> which page?
[01:09:29] <alex_joni> :D
[01:09:41] <fenn> * fenn grumbles
[01:09:50] <fenn> FC3
[01:09:55] <alex_joni> I'm just curious what flavour you chose for rtai
[01:10:21] <alex_joni> rtai-3.2 3.2-test1 3.2-test2 3.2-test3 or CVS ?
[01:10:22] <jmkasunich> he said 3.2
[01:10:34] <alex_joni> there are quite a few 3.2
[01:10:36] <jmkasunich> oh
[01:10:57] <alex_joni> a few releases
[01:10:59] <fenn> just 3.2 i think
[01:11:20] <alex_joni> also .. the current 3.2 is called magma, but it'll probably get released as 3.3
[01:11:32] <alex_joni> I might be totally wrong here
[01:11:39] <jmkasunich> I think magma is 3.3 already
[01:11:39] <alex_joni> as I don't get those people ;)
[01:11:53] <fenn> its a quite complicated tree, looking at the branch diagram
[01:12:17] <alex_joni> well.. I don't bother trying to understand ;)
[01:12:25] <alex_joni> at least not at 03:26 am
[01:12:26] <jmkasunich> http://www.rtai.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6
[01:12:53] <fenn> alex_joni: i'm working on a japanese translation of emc.. what do I do once I've filled out the .msg file?
[01:12:57] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich was wrong I guess
[01:13:18] <alex_joni> fenn: commit it?
[01:13:44] <alex_joni> but you probably want to do the .po file too
[01:13:54] <fenn> and then what? does TkEmc automatically figure out which file to use based on LANG or what?
[01:14:37] <alex_joni> yup
[01:14:48] <jmkasunich> hmmmm that's gonna be a problem
[01:14:51] <alex_joni> at least that's how it's supposed to work
[01:14:55] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: what?
[01:14:59] <jmkasunich> LANG
[01:15:18] <A-L-P-H-A> hello folks.
[01:15:31] <jmkasunich> a week or two ago somebody reported a bug, and suggested that the run script should include "LANG=C" to solve it
[01:15:53] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: you know what's bugging me?
[01:15:59] <alex_joni> I did run tkemc in german
[01:16:05] <alex_joni> with LANG=de
[01:16:23] <jmkasunich> but that was probably before I added LANG=C to the run script?
[01:16:47] <alex_joni> a way back
[01:17:18] <alex_joni> yeah, what I wanted to point out is that I had no problem with awk and LANG=de
[01:17:44] <jmkasunich> oh, so maybe the bug report was actually caused by something else?
[01:18:03] <alex_joni> no idea
[01:20:12] <CIA-8> 03fenn * 10emc2/src/po/ja.msg: i hope someone can fix my busted translation :)
[01:21:23] <Jacky^> fenn: :))
[01:22:12] <fenn> the .po file looks a little daunting
[01:22:51] <fenn> especially since it's hard to understand in english
[01:22:52] <alex_joni> daunting?
[01:23:04] <alex_joni> heh.. you have a german one too..
[01:23:27] <jmkasunich> alex: do I need to boot to the new kernel before I do the make oldconfig?
[01:23:49] <alex_joni> don't think so..
[01:23:52] <alex_joni> but I did
[01:23:58] <alex_joni> but before you boot
[01:24:07] <alex_joni> try the rtapi examples
[01:24:15] <jmkasunich> can't
[01:24:18] <alex_joni> right
[01:24:22] <alex_joni> rtai was upgraded
[01:24:40] <alex_joni> ok.. then I guess.. ;)
[01:24:55] <alex_joni> btw, fusion is supposedly lacking math stuff :(
[01:32:02] <cradek> jmkasunich: instead of LANG you might be able to get by setting LC_NUMERIC (non-monetary numeric formats)
[01:32:29] <cradek> jmkasunich: or, you could fix the regexp in question to match [\.,]
[01:32:58] <jmkasunich> well I didn't even understand the original bug report, I just made the change because the poster seemed to know what he was talking about
[01:33:15] <jmkasunich> I'd have to investigate further, but I have other bugs to squash first
[01:33:23] <alex_joni> hey chris
[01:33:24] <cradek> I thought it had something to do with e.g. 3.000 vs 3,000
[01:33:27] <cradek> hello
[01:33:33] <alex_joni> it was smthg like that
[01:33:42] <alex_joni> abotu the period params from the ini
[01:34:19] <cradek> let me try to find the bug report
[01:35:49] <cradek> was it in the tracker?
[01:36:04] <jmkasunich> I think it was just a mail to the dev list
[01:36:05] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone know where to go get free ringtones?
[01:36:18] <jmkasunich> anyplace but the #emc IRC channel
[01:36:27] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich. :P :)
[01:36:46] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: try google
[01:37:01] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: try asking somewhere people care
[01:37:33] <jmkasunich> where it isn't off topic
[01:38:01] <alex_joni> or ask google, if that fails do what cradek or jmk said
[01:38:28] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: how's the configure going?
[01:38:41] <jmkasunich> about to make a minor change to configure.in
[01:38:47] <alex_joni> really?
[01:38:49] <alex_joni> coo ;)
[01:42:48] <cradek> I can't reproduce the problem with my awk
[01:43:00] <alex_joni> cradek: same here
[01:43:07] <cradek> even with LANG=de it expects numbers to use . for decimal point
[01:43:44] <alex_joni> so maybe it was LC_NUMERIC as you said
[01:43:52] <alex_joni> and LANG=c doesn't cure it
[01:44:07] <cradek> C, not c
[01:44:15] <cradek> LANG sets all those
[01:45:53] <cradek> "fixed"
[01:45:54] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.run:
[01:45:54] <CIA-8> allow different LANG settings while avoiding the bug reported on the list
[01:45:54] <CIA-8> Jul 1 2005 regarding awk's parsing of numbers from the ini
[01:46:29] <cradek> someone please try that, I can't run emc right now
[01:46:48] <alex_joni> hang on.. checking out already
[01:49:19] <alex_joni> cradek: ever come across this warning?
[01:49:20] <alex_joni> WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/kernel-source-
[01:49:20] <alex_joni> is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions.
[01:49:32] <cradek> nope
[01:50:22] <alex_joni> ok :)
[01:50:34] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: you'll probably get the same warning when compilin modules
[01:50:42] <cradek> I think you might be suffering from bleeding-edge syndrome
[01:51:33] <alex_joni> cradek: I need to
[01:51:46] <alex_joni> seems this is thhe kernel/rtai paul will use on the next BDI
[01:51:52] <alex_joni> and emc2 fails on it
[01:51:58] <cradek> without dependencies modprobe probably won't work for some stuff
[01:52:00] <jmkasunich> yep...
[01:52:18] <jmkasunich> Paul is the one with bleeding edge syndrome, but we're the ones suffering ;-)
[01:52:45] <alex_joni> depmod runs ok
[01:52:53] <alex_joni> not sure if that says anything
[01:53:16] <cradek> let me just say that he and I obviously have different visions for what would be a good emc platform
[01:54:43] <jmkasunich> cradek: what do you consider a good platform?
[01:54:53] <alex_joni> stromboli?
[01:54:58] <cradek> one that runs emc1 and emc2 and is stable and proven
[01:56:11] <jmkasunich> the problem is that emc1 does not gracefully move to new platforms, and sooner or later even a dinosaur like me wants something new
[01:56:23] <jmkasunich> I like Debian
[01:56:25] <cradek> for him to say that the next bdi will be kernel x and rtai y, when NO version of emc runs on those, is silly.
[01:56:28] <jmkasunich> (aka BDI-4.20)
[01:57:02] <jmkasunich> well emc2 should be not to hard to upgrade... all the differences should be limited to the RTAPI section
[01:57:26] <alex_joni> and probably even those shouldn't be there either
[01:57:37] <alex_joni> unless rtai people borked it up somehow
[01:57:51] <alex_joni> probably it's a strange sum of factors
[01:58:07] <jmkasunich> well this specific issue may well be an RTAI borking, but in general RTAPI exists to hide RTOS and OS dependencies
[01:59:36] <jmkasunich> well, that's annoying.
[02:00:57] <jmkasunich> the upgrade deleted the old rtai_config from /usr/lib/realtime/bin/ (in fact it deleted /usr/lib/realtime) but it didn't delete the old symlink to it from /usr/bin/rtai-config
[02:01:23] <jmkasunich> so ./configure is still finding the old link, but when it tries to run it, urp
[02:02:28] <jmkasunich> meanshile the new rtaoI-config is in a completely different place, /usr/realtime/bin/rtai-config
[02:02:39] <jmkasunich> gawd I can't type
[02:03:03] <jmkasunich> I fscking HATE upgrades!!!
[02:03:13] <alex_joni> yeah.. I had the same thing (symlink :()
[02:03:22] <alex_joni> but I thought it's because I had my own rtai
[02:03:30] <alex_joni> just rm it
[02:03:50] <alex_joni> if you link it properly it'll find 2 rtai's again
[02:03:52] <alex_joni> not good
[02:03:59] <alex_joni> but if you rm it, you should be set
[02:04:08] <jmkasunich> actually finding two is what should happen
[02:04:22] <jmkasunich> then the script prints a warning, and you re-run, telling it which one you want to use
[02:04:34] <jmkasunich> multiple versions should be able to co-exist that way
[02:07:12] <alex_joni> I know
[02:07:30] <alex_joni> but on 2.6 I'm not sure you can peacefully have 2 coexisting
[02:07:36] <alex_joni> without major hassle
[02:08:01] <jmkasunich> bummer
[02:08:13] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/ (configure configure.in): modified configure script, if it finds multiple RT signatures, it will list the ones it found to help the user investigate the situation
[02:09:34] <jmkasunich> ok, rm'ing the symling allowed configure to run, but of course it is now configed for the old RTAI
[02:09:41] <jmkasunich> rebooting
[02:13:11] <jmkasunich> well at least the new kernel doesn't have that thrice damned bootsplash anymore ;-)
[02:14:04] <Jymmm> Question... From a BLANK hdd, whats the best way to get to emc2?
[02:14:12] <jmkasunich> BDI-4.20
[02:14:29] <Jymmm> the one from sherline.com/emc ?
[02:14:44] <jmkasunich> damn... those warnings are gonna be very annoying
[02:14:45] <SWPadnos> http://www.cncgear.com/EMC/BDI/
[02:15:19] <Jymmm> SWP_Away : ok, that had the same MD5 as the one on sherline, thanks .
[02:15:23] <Jymmm> has
[02:15:54] <SWPadnos> no problem
[02:16:31] <SWPadnos> gah - DNS is all flaky on me
[02:16:36] <Jymmm> Ok, I'll reinstall bdi420. I want to use non-x interface as this machien just lags
[02:16:54] <SWPadnos> have you fiddled with PERIOD in emc.ini?
[02:17:27] <Jymmm> SWPadnos no, not at all. just bringing up emc then trying to drag a window around the screen is a big deal in itself
[02:17:46] <SWPadnos> do you mean booting the machine, or actually running EMC?
[02:17:51] <jmkasunich> how does it do when emc isnt running?
[02:18:01] <SWPadnos> (ie, is it laggy when you just run a terminal and drag it around)
[02:18:48] <Jymmm> w/o emc running response is pretty good. but when I had emc up and tried moving like kirc window it would lag big time.
[02:19:03] <jmkasunich> what is your PERIOD?
[02:19:06] <jmkasunich> make it bigger
[02:19:07] <Jymmm> I had installed debian sarge then apt-get emc too
[02:19:07] <SWPadnos> hey jmkasunich, do you know of a good place to get replacement mini bayonet bulbs? (like the ones in the average 29/30mm button)
[02:19:35] <jmkasunich> nope... never needed them
[02:19:40] <SWPadnos> PERIOD is probably 0.000016 - change it to 0.00003
[02:19:45] <SWPadnos> ok, thanks
[02:19:58] <SWPadnos> (need a few 120V ones for a phase converter rebuild)
[02:20:06] <jmkasunich> EMC2 period is 0.000050 by default
[02:20:24] <Jymmm> SWPadnos ok. I'm still RTFMing, but Ray sure is wordy =) so it's taking me longer to go thru it
[02:20:27] <jmkasunich> EMC1 is 0.000016
[02:20:34] <jmkasunich> which are you running
[02:20:35] <SWPadnos> OK - but BDI by default runs EMC1(.5)
[02:21:03] <jmkasunich> you mean when you click on the pretty icons?
[02:21:11] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich never clicks on the pretty icons ;-)
[02:21:35] <Jymmm> jmkasunich I tried the apt-get emc (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bdi-emc/debian/) but I think that has issue becasue I get errors during bootup about HAl not liking the kernel
[02:21:39] <alex_joni> emc1(.5) is 0.000024
[02:21:49] <SWPadnos> /usr/local/emc/* is also emc1 by default :)
[02:21:58] <Jymmm> so basically I'm 'starting over' from scratch
[02:22:56] <jmkasunich> cd ..
[02:22:58] <jmkasunich> oops
[02:23:11] <Jymmm> rm \. =)
[02:23:15] <Jymmm> (-rf)
[02:23:29] <SWPadnos> no - slashdot takes more than an rm :)
[02:23:36] <jmkasunich> hmmm... a minor bug in the makefiles
[02:23:43] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: where?
[02:23:45] <jmkasunich> make clean
[02:23:45] <Jacky^> GoodNight
[02:23:51] <Jymmm> G'Night Jacky^
[02:23:58] <SWPadnos> night Jacky^
[02:24:00] <Jacky^> bye
[02:24:14] <jmkasunich> Clean Up /home/John/emcdev/emc2head/src/libnml/nml
[02:24:36] <Jymmm> know hwere I can get eht java interface by chance?
[02:24:37] <jmkasunich> /bin/sh: line 1: [: /home/John/emcdev/emc2head/lib/CVS: binary operator expected
[02:27:06] <jmkasunich> time for me to go (my wife is calling)
[02:27:57] <jmkasunich> bye
[02:28:22] <alex_joni> bye
[02:28:34] <Jymmm> wow, she has him trained well! lol
[02:28:41] <fenn> looks like its bedtime for me too
[02:28:46] <Jymmm> (couldn't resist)
[02:28:55] <Jymmm> g'night fenn
[02:29:12] <fenn> my bed is calling, it has me trained well.. wait, i don't have a bed
[02:29:32] <fenn> must be someone else's bed
[02:30:10] <Jymmm> then what do you call the thing you lay down on?
[02:31:20] <alex_joni> ditto
[02:31:27] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to sleep
[02:31:32] <alex_joni> 05 am soon :(
[02:31:45] <Jymmm> night alex_joni
[02:31:56] <alex_joni> yeah.. what's left of it
[02:32:02] <SWPadnos> night, all - time for me to catch up a bit as well.
[02:32:07] <SWPadnos> (on sleep, that is)
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[05:58:43] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is talking to the plc manufacturer more
[06:03:27] <Jymmm> do they still have the old version avaialable?
[06:06:13] <anonimasu> wont help..
[06:06:15] <anonimasu> need to go go work
[06:07:58] <anonimasu> I'll explain it to you later :)
[06:46:25] <Jymmm> k
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[07:37:27] <A-L-P-H-A> go go?
[07:37:30] <A-L-P-H-A> are you a go go dancer?
[07:37:42] <A-L-P-H-A> one of the hotties with awesome tits, dancing in a cage at a night club?
[07:41:00] <Jymmm> lol
[07:41:50] <Jymmm> http://www.eviltree.de/zoomquilt/zoom.htm
[07:56:33] <ValarQ> neat
[07:59:25] <A-L-P-H-A> seen it
[07:59:26] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[08:13:18] <Jymmm> Well folks... I think I'm gonna call it a night. Got BDI 420 installed, so will muck with the settings and whatnot tomorrow!
[10:43:52] <Jacky^> morning
[11:00:46] <A-L-P-H-A> hi
[11:00:51] <A-L-P-H-A> isn't it like afternoon there for you?
[11:00:56] <A-L-P-H-A> being italy and all.
[11:01:06] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm off to sleep again.
[11:13:23] <Jacky^> hi A-L-P-H-A
[11:13:55] <Jacky^> :) 12:30 am here
[11:15:03] <Jacky^> bad wheater, clouds with no rain
[14:12:10] <Jacky^> hi alex_joni
[14:12:25] <alex_joni> hello
[14:12:52] <Jacky^> how proceed the 2.6.12 emc hacking ?
[14:13:09] <Jacky^> work ?
[14:13:55] <alex_joni> not yet
[14:14:02] <alex_joni> it seems the problem is with rtai-magma
[14:14:07] <alex_joni> and the shm there
[14:14:12] <Jacky^> uhm
[14:14:15] <Jacky^> :(
[14:15:50] <Jacky^> good luck ;)
[14:16:12] <Jacky^> I'm tryng to learn something about complex toolpath..
[14:17:38] <alex_joni> nice
[14:18:24] <Jacky^> ;-)
[15:57:51] <anonimasu> hello
[15:58:12] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: no, I just made a typo..
[16:12:18] <A-L-P-H-A> Jacky^, was it lunch time then? or nighttime?
[16:14:09] <fenn> 12:30 am is generally considered night time
[16:14:28] <A-L-P-H-A> but he's in italy...
[16:14:37] <A-L-P-H-A> so when he said that... it really should be pm.
[16:14:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I think he's in italy.
[16:14:51] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, he's in italy.
[16:20:25] <Jacky^> hello A-L-P-H-A :)
[16:24:29] <Jacky^> right. I missed am ..
[16:24:48] <Jacky^> too much sun on the head :\
[17:08:43] <anonimasu> my new lathe is nice :)
[17:10:54] <Jacky^> anonimasu: got a picture ?
[17:18:37] <anonimasu> yeah but not of where it is standing right now
[17:42:07] <Jymmm> Mornin folks!
[17:48:24] <websys> Nobody here but us chickens
[17:56:38] <JymmmEMC> hi websys
[17:57:32] <JymmmEMC> chickens huh? I better go warm up the bbq then!
[17:58:18] <websys> tough old birds
[17:58:35] <JymmmEMC> good marinate and a pounding can take care of that =)
[17:59:12] <websys> Well I have been getting pounded
[17:59:26] <JymmmEMC> I just installed BDI 420, but it's buggered up the dns =(
[17:59:42] <JymmmEMC> websys: hopefully not from the wifey (too much)
[18:00:06] <websys> Nah - that's the fun stuff
[18:00:39] <JymmmEMC> "Stick and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me!" lol
[18:01:21] <websys> Oh - whip me beat me make me feel cheap
[18:01:41] <JymmmEMC> I would, but i think you would like it WAY too much =)
[18:01:49] <websys> ;)
[18:02:13] <websys> Just installed 4.20 myself - didn't check DNS
[18:02:14] <JymmmEMC> do you know how to tell what resolution you're currently at in X ?
[18:02:48] <websys> Hmm - XF86Config sets the default
[18:02:53] <JymmmEMC> I have dhcp goin on, and it can't find like google as example, but after a few tries it finally found freenode
[18:03:13] <JymmmEMC> I set it to 1600x1200, but I don't know how to tell WHERE it's at now
[18:03:48] <JymmmEMC> and for some odd reason I can't open the XF86Config-4 file
[18:03:56] <JymmmEMC> even as root
[18:04:01] <websys> xwininfo -root
[18:05:53] <JymmmEMC> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[18:05:53] <JymmmEMC> Xlib: No protocol specified
[18:05:54] <JymmmEMC> xwininfo: unable to open display ':0.0'
[18:06:04] <websys> don't run as root
[18:06:12] <websys> su - someuser
[18:07:13] <JymmmEMC> it says 1600x1200, but this looks awefully big for that
[18:07:31] <websys> well it wouldn't lie to you
[18:07:38] <JymmmEMC> the hell it wouldn't!
[18:07:40] <JymmmEMC> lol
[18:07:51] <websys> well maybe in your case....
[18:08:38] <JymmmEMC> ok, now to make it bigger. but the darn thign won't let me edit the file
[18:08:59] <websys> even as root?
[18:09:10] <JymmmEMC> unless I'm editing the wrong file, but I doubt it. Yep even as root.
[18:10:09] <websys> file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[18:11:08] <JymmmEMC> oh wth... NOW it lets me.
[18:13:50] <JymmmEMC> ok, need to restart X... brb
[18:17:12] <robin_sz> meep?
[18:17:18] <Jymmm> you know, I'm changing resolutions with CTRL+ALT+NUM_PLUS and xwininfo -root still reports the same resoltuon
[18:17:19] <anonimasu> m33p
[18:17:34] <anonimasu> heh why dont you change it in your config
[18:17:57] <Jymmm> anonimasu I did, I added 1920x1440 but it's not taking it.
[18:19:02] <anonimasu> are you editing XF86Config
[18:19:03] <anonimasu> ?
[18:19:16] <Jymmm> /etc/X11/XFConfig-4
[18:19:40] <anonimasu> and are you starting your X with the config on the command line?
[18:20:17] <Jymmm> anonimasu I just installed BDI420 last night
[18:21:03] <anonimasu> but move the tile to XF86Config or whatever the na,me is
[18:21:15] <anonimasu> or start with X -????
[18:21:26] <anonimasu> and your config file as argument
[18:21:39] <anonimasu> I cant remember the command :
[18:21:48] <Jymmm> startx ?
[18:21:55] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:22:31] <Jymmm> the machime by default install goes to a gui login
[18:22:45] <anonimasu> yes?
[18:22:55] <Jymmm> that was just what was on the install, not necessarily what I want
[18:22:59] <anonimasu> but kill X and edit the config file....
[18:23:08] <anonimasu> if you edit the right file it will work :)
[18:23:36] <Jymmm> I C+A+Bksp, is that enough?
[18:23:57] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:23:59] <websys> should be
[18:24:32] <Jymmm> ok, I'm removing all the extra resolution fromt he config file, lets see if that makes a difference
[18:27:06] <Jymmm> lol... damn thing just let me w/o typing my password
[18:27:44] <websys> now that's a weak password
[18:27:52] <Jymmm> lol
[18:27:58] <Jymmm> no shit huh
[18:32:19] <Jacky^> Jymmm: fight with the x server ? :D
[18:32:25] <Jymmm> ok, this is weird, I must be editing the wrong sfile as I rebooted the box and it's still at 1600x1200 instead of 1920x1440
[18:33:13] <anonimasu> heh :)
[18:33:34] <Jymmm> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[18:35:06] <Jymmm> and even when I do change to a smaller resolution, why is it scrolling?
[18:39:02] <Jacky^> Jymmm: sometimes I find a solution (if you have knoppix live cd) booting with Knoppix live that have advanced HW detect features, then copy the conf file auto-generated /etc/X11/XF86config-4 in a floppy then override the old one in your distro
[18:39:57] <Jacky^> make even a backup copy of the file
[18:40:52] <anonimasu> why dont you just ediut your XF86config
[18:40:56] <anonimasu> you have one right?
[18:41:21] <anonimasu> or remove all config files and run XF86Config
[18:47:20] <Jymmm> anonimasu : I have been editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and I even restarted the machien, but it's not acceptign the changes or reading them
[18:48:14] <Jymmm> As a test, I only have "1024x768 "640x480" in the config file now. It it restarts at 1600x1200 something else is wrong.
[18:48:24] <Jymmm> s/It/If/
[18:48:46] <Jacky^> Jymmm: maybe the x server is using XF86Config ! not XF86Config-4
[18:49:02] <Jymmm> Jacky^ where whould that be located at?
[18:49:04] <Jacky^> check it ..
[18:50:23] <Jacky^> Jymmm: i'm not sure about location, there are many files like xinit and many other (I believe)
[18:50:46] <Jymmm> ok it started at 1024x768
[18:51:11] <Jacky^> if the X server is using debconf the file should be XF86Config-4, otherwise not
[18:51:18] <Jymmm> now, how do you prevent it from scrolling at lower resolutions
[18:51:20] <Jymmm> ?
[18:52:30] <robin_sz> Jacky^: i think you mean x client, not server
[18:54:02] <Jacky^> robin_sz: no, uasually the installation ask for use debconf or not to manage X server
[18:54:22] <robin_sz> no ... you have it the wrong way round
[18:55:08] <robin_sz> XF86Config configures the x client
[18:55:52] <Jacky^> mmmhh.. not sure
[18:56:06] <robin_sz> sigh ...
[18:56:12] <Jacky^> :)
[18:56:43] <Jacky^> Jymmm: tried to comment # the line 800x600 in the conf file ?
[18:58:16] <Jymmm> no, but I just removed all the resolutions except 1920x1440
[19:00:25] <Jacky^> should be the same thing, I suppose
[19:00:33] <anonimasu> Jymmm: same place
[19:00:53] <anonimasu> /etc/X11/etc/
[19:01:05] <anonimasu> XF86config
[19:01:30] <Jymmm> You know what, I left ONLY 1900x1440 and it STILL started at 1600x1200
[19:01:48] <anonimasu> You are doing something wrong.
[19:02:13] <Jacky^> Jymmm: can you paste the conf file on nopaste ?
[19:02:22] <anonimasu> comment out something that will break your X..
[19:02:26] <anonimasu> driver "nv"
[19:02:29] <anonimasu> add #
[19:02:29] <Jacky^> I'm corius :)
[19:02:40] <anonimasu> if X will start then it's not the file you are using
[19:02:42] <Jymmm> Well, during the install, it did ask me the max res I wanted, the highest available was 1600x1200
[19:03:45] <anonimasu> the issue is if you are editing the right file first of all
[19:03:55] <cradek> the X log says what config file it's using
[19:04:09] <cradek> % grep Using /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[19:04:09] <cradek> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config"
[19:04:11] <anonimasu> XF86config is the usual one
[19:04:20] <anonimasu> err Config..
[19:04:40] <Jymmm> whne I change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to "1024x768" "640x480" and did C+A+BKSP it restated in 1024x768
[19:04:58] <cradek> then look at the log to see what the problem is with 1920
[19:05:01] <cradek> 1900
[19:05:03] <cradek> whatever it is
[19:06:49] <robin_sz> Jacky^: for future reference, in X, the programs (auch as Netscape, Xchat or whatever) are the servers, the X client is the thing that fills the screen and provides awindow manager etc
[19:07:07] <robin_sz> or thats the way i understand it anyway .. its exactly the opposite of what you expect
[19:07:32] <Jacky^> right
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[19:09:37] <websys> Hmmm? I thought the Xsever was X and the xclients were things like xterm etc
[19:10:04] <Jacky^> hehe
[19:10:06] <fenn> 12:30 am is generally considered night timehjkl;'
[19:10:07] <Jacky^> :)
[19:10:13] <fenn> whoops
[19:10:24] <Jymmm> fenn morning
[19:10:30] <Jacky^> hi fenn
[19:11:50] <websys> According the the O'Reilly books xterm, xcalc etc are x clients
[19:12:02] <websys> so X is the X server
[19:12:23] <Jacky^> websys: it maybe depend on theside we look
[19:13:07] <websys> not according to the books I have on X which go back to 1988
[19:13:33] <websys> ( I've been working in X since 1982 )
[19:13:40] <Jacky^> i'm waiting for update my Sid distro..
[19:13:56] <Jacky^> I seen they released Xorg
[19:14:06] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is running xorg
[19:14:16] <Jacky^> I'm not sure to run it yet ..
[19:14:32] <anonimasu> why not?
[19:14:39] <Jacky^> also, can't understand why the upgrade want remove gaim
[19:15:21] <Jacky^> anonimasu: mmm.. I think it's not so stable yet
[19:15:34] <websys> Haven't seen any real difference running Xorg vs. XFree
[19:15:52] <Jacky^> I also use a simply window manager like evilwm, no icons, no bars..
[19:15:55] <anonimasu> Jacky^: I am afraid you seem to have no idea about it :)
[19:16:06] <anonimasu> it's as stable as xfree..
[19:16:09] <Jacky^> anonimasu: I will try it..
[19:16:17] <anonimasu> as far as I've experienced..
[19:16:34] <Jacky^> A friend of mine that tried it on Kubuntu don't talk very well..
[19:16:46] <Jacky^> but he's using a laptop
[19:16:55] <websys> anon - have you seen any difference between the different X servers?
[19:16:56] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is too
[19:17:21] <anonimasu> not really, I think it's a bit faster then xfree. but it might be my imagination
[19:17:46] <websys> ok - just thought I was missing something
[19:17:52] <Jacky^> this can be tested with some benchmark app, I think..
[19:18:04] <anonimasu> yeah.. but I dont bother too much
[19:18:24] <Jacky^> anonimasu: which video card are U using ?
[19:19:13] <anonimasu> radeon 9800 256mb mobile..
[19:19:30] <Jacky^> cool :) great card
[19:19:51] <anonimasu> :)
[19:19:54] <anonimasu> it's messy with linux though
[19:20:00] <Jacky^> 3D accelleration support work, right ?
[19:20:14] <anonimasu> I havent found out why my dualhead is being strange yet
[19:20:18] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:20:20] <anonimasu> it does :)
[19:20:21] <Jacky^> nice
[19:21:54] <Jacky^> I'm also using ati radeon 9600 256 mb
[19:22:09] <Jacky^> on wk I mean ..
[19:22:55] <anonimasu> :)
[19:23:52] <Jacky^> for me work great, I'm using that with linux + vmware+win2k and 3D cad.. rocks !
[19:24:05] <Jacky^> :D
[19:24:46] <Jacky^> Jymmm: solved ?
[19:25:14] <Jymmm> nope
[19:25:30] <Jacky^> damn..
[19:58:57] <Jacky^> cannot understand where to find the parameters like advance speed of a tool if they don't write it in the catalogue of the products :\
[19:59:44] <Jacky^> may I invent it ?
[20:00:33] <Jacky^> or maybe going for experiment ..
[20:02:16] <Jacky^> seem to me like a closed proprietary software information ghghghg...
[20:03:35] <anonimasu> adadvance sped?
[20:03:37] <anonimasu> speed?
[20:03:56] <anonimasu> any good producer will specify it
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[20:04:29] <anonimasu> but you may invent and experiment..
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[20:04:42] <anonimasu> decide on a chipload.. :)
[20:04:44] <anonimasu> and just mill away
[20:04:55] <Jacky^> yeah..
[20:05:23] <Jacky^> but I think it's not a good idea for the life of the tool :(
[20:05:41] <anonimasu> do you really have much choice if there's no specification.
[20:05:55] <anonimasu> :)
[20:05:56] <Jacky^> how ?
[20:06:03] <anonimasu> chipload?
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[20:06:13] <Jacky^> yes..
[20:06:30] <Jacky^> just testing, right ?
[20:06:41] <anonimasu> http://www.hanita.com/hanita_protected/formulas.htm
[20:06:48] <Jacky^> ah !
[20:06:50] <Jacky^> :)
[20:07:26] <anonimasu> follow that a bit then increase your feed until it sounds right
[20:07:32] <anonimasu> increase/decrease
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[20:07:46] <Jacky^> very interesting :D
[20:08:19] <Jacky^> the catalogue of my tools show only the price :\
[20:08:26] <anonimasu> cheap tools?
[20:08:51] <Jacky^> here: http://www.cmtutensili.com/prodotti.asp?CodiceFamiglie=12
[20:09:00] <Jacky^> are italian products
[20:09:13] <Jacky^> it seem to me not so good..
[20:09:53] <anonimasu> no idea :/
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[20:23:20] <anonimasu> Jacky^: what does the pdf on the endmill page say
[20:26:01] <Jymmm> what the utility to reconfig X - XFConfig?
[20:26:43] <anonimasu> XF86Config
[20:27:59] <Jymmm> where is it?
[20:28:52] <anonimasu> updatedb ; whereis XF86Config
[20:28:57] <anonimasu> brb, going to the kiosk
[20:28:58] <anonimasu> :)
[20:29:03] <Jymmm> nothing found
[20:29:34] <anonimasu> /usr/X11R6/bin/
[20:29:35] <anonimasu> maybe
[20:29:40] <Jymmm> thanks
[20:33:31] <Jymmm> ok, I thought that might give me a list of video cards, but it doesn't
[20:35:02] <anonimasu> it does
[20:35:13] <anonimasu> after you've set up your mouse and keyb
[20:35:42] <Jymmm> I did, but it only gives me a generic list... vga, svage, etc
[20:36:01] <anonimasu> there is more cards that will show also..
[20:36:25] <anonimasu> :)
[20:39:59] <Jacky^> anonimasu: the pdf show the same parameter of the webpage
[20:40:05] <Jacky^> nothing more
[20:40:07] <anonimasu> ok
[20:45:35] <Jacky^> Jymmm: you could also try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for reconfigure with a dialog window
[20:45:51] <Jacky^> should be simple
[20:54:49] <Jymmm> that brings up a different dialog that what I saw during the install.
[20:57:35] <Jacky^> strange..
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[20:57:55] <Jymmm> I just want to chang ethe video card, but need to see a list of them. what anonimasu, you , and someone else suggested doesn't list them all.
[20:58:52] <Jacky^> does not appear the list running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?
[20:59:01] <Jymmm> no
[20:59:17] <Jacky^> ugh !
[20:59:37] <Jymmm> ATI Mach64 is what I'm looking for. It should up during the BDI install, but not in any of the x config utilities
[20:59:46] <Jymmm> s/should/showed/
[21:00:07] <Jacky^> strange, for me first window opened is a list of the video drivers
[21:00:17] <Jymmm> look for ATI Mach64
[21:01:23] <Jacky^> first 3 drivers are: apm, ark, ati
[21:01:36] <Jacky^> there's no Ati Mach64
[21:01:51] <Jacky^> I think you need the Ati package for them
[21:02:05] <Jymmm> Yep, that's the problem, as there really is one, it showed up during the BDI install.
[21:02:19] <cradek> maybe it's called mach64
[21:02:56] <cradek> or, just try ati
[21:03:18] <Jacky^> cradek: it seem doesn't exist on default video card list
[21:03:38] <Jacky^> infact, ati should work
[21:03:57] <Jacky^> without 3D accelleration, but should work fine
[21:06:17] <Jacky^> if mach64 has 3D acc.
[21:07:50] <Jymmm> screw it, it's taking too much time just to get 1920x1440
[21:08:09] <Jymmm> ok, any suggestions why BDI isn't seeing my dns via dhcp?
[21:09:24] <Jymmm> when I has installed debian sarge there was no issues.
[21:09:38] <Jacky^> mmhh
[21:10:19] <Jacky^> try editing /etc/resolv.conf
[21:10:41] <Jacky^> but maybe the next time dhcp will overwrite it..
[21:11:08] <Jymmm> how can I see what it's currently using for dns?
[21:11:12] <Jymmm> dhcp that is
[21:11:23] <Jacky^> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[21:11:35] <Jymmm> dhcp wrties to that?
[21:11:45] <Jacky^> yes
[21:11:55] <Jacky^> anytime
[21:12:03] <Jymmm> resolv.conf is 0 bytes
[21:12:14] <Jacky^> no lines inside ?
[21:12:26] <Jymmm> it's zero byte file
[21:12:30] <Jymmm> emptry
[21:12:33] <Jacky^> :\
[21:13:00] <Jacky^> are U using ethernet card ?
[21:13:23] <Jymmm> yep, and it has an ip address, just no dns
[21:13:37] <Jacky^> is up ?
[21:13:43] <Jymmm> yes
[21:13:59] <Jacky^> try to restart:
[21:14:10] <Jymmm> no difference
[21:14:15] <Jacky^> /etc/init.d/networking restart
[21:14:19] <Jacky^> nothing ?
[21:15:08] <Jymmm> I've rebooted the machien many times, something is misconfigured during install
[21:15:23] <Jacky^> here are the first lines of my /etc/network/interfaces
[21:16:31] <websys> actually one if you just want to define the nameserver
[21:16:52] <Jymmm> I want it to grab the dns servers via dhcp
[21:17:10] <Jymmm> right now, I just want to see what it thinks the dns servers are
[21:17:20] <Jymmm> how can I do that?
[21:17:39] <websys> nslookup
[21:17:41] <Jacky^> Jymmm: I suspect some dhcp package is missing or not configured as a well
[21:17:43] <websys> ans type server
[21:17:58] <websys> s/ans/and/
[21:17:59] <Jymmm> Jacky^ I think so too
[21:18:26] <Jymmm>
[21:19:45] <Jacky^> Jymmm: try to reconfigure dhcp-dns :# dpkg-reconfigure dhcp-dns
[21:20:20] <Jacky^> ops..
[21:20:30] <Jacky^> sorry.. maybe is not for client side :\
[21:21:28] <Jacky^> should be dhcp-client
[21:21:45] <Jacky^> and dhcp
[21:22:00] <Jacky^> try to dpkg-reconfigure these packages
[21:22:24] <websys> or look at /etc/dchp3 for the cfg and scripts
[21:23:36] <Jymmm> could someone past theri conf file?
[21:23:39] <Jymmm> paste
[21:24:39] <websys> you mean resolv.conf?
[21:24:48] <Jymmm> dhcp3
[21:26:24] <Jymmm> the one I have is mostly commented out
[21:26:44] <websys> I'll send you the uncommented lines
[21:26:49] <Jymmm> k
[21:27:41] <websys> request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
[21:27:42] <websys> domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name,
[21:27:42] <websys> netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope;
[21:29:11] <Jacky^> hey Phydbleep :)
[21:29:26] <websys> request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name, domai
[21:29:28] <websys> n-name-servers, host-name, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope;
[21:32:38] <Jymmm> did you paste twice? if not, I have exactly that.
[21:34:10] <Jymmm> #prepend domain-name-servers;
[21:34:10] <Jymmm> request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
[21:34:10] <Jymmm> domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name,
[21:34:10] <Jymmm> netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope;
[21:34:10] <Jymmm> #require subnet-mask, domain-name-servers;
[21:34:19] <websys> yes - tried to get it on one line
[21:35:06] <Jymmm> then I guess the problem lies elsewhere
[21:35:52] <websys> you could try re-running the dhclient-script
[21:37:11] <Jymmm> no change
[21:37:33] <Jymmm> nslookup server still points to
[21:42:17] <PhydBleep_> PhydBleep_ is now known as Phydbleep
[21:45:02] <Jymmm> websys are you running dhcp?
[21:45:21] <websys> ummm on some boxes
[21:46:09] <Jymmm> at least the box you gave the listing from?
[21:46:10] <Jacky^> Jymmm: i'm running dhcp
[21:46:37] <Jacky^> Jymmm: what are you using as dhcp server ? ethernet modem ?
[21:46:47] <Jymmm> dlink router
[21:46:59] <Jymmm> which works fine on all the other machiens,
[21:47:05] <Jacky^> well,
[21:47:09] <Jymmm> even debian sarge and woody
[21:47:45] <Jacky^> the only thing is that won't write the file resolv.conf ?
[21:48:10] <websys> I don't think it's even getting an address
[21:48:27] <Jymmm> it's getting an ip, I'm shelled into ti
[21:48:43] <Jymmm> just can't resolv anything
[21:49:03] <Jacky^> have rou reconfigured the 2 pakages dhcp and dhcp-client ?
[21:49:06] <Jymmm> or it does sometimes but VERY slowly
[21:49:34] <websys> so ifconfig gives you and address besides
[21:49:48] <Jacky^> right
[21:50:04] <Jymmm> websys : I'm shelled into the box right now
[21:50:23] <Jymmm> SSH
[21:50:33] <Jacky^> Jymmm: ifconfig eth0 what says ?
[21:51:04] <Jymmm> localhost:/etc/network# ifconfig eth0
[21:51:04] <Jymmm> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:D0:B7:B4:F0:BE
[21:51:04] <Jymmm> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
[21:51:04] <Jymmm> inet6 addr: fe80::2d0:b7ff:feb4:f0be/64 Scope:Link
[21:51:04] <Jymmm> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
[21:51:04] <Jymmm> RX packets:3512 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[21:51:06] <Jymmm> TX packets:3680 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[21:51:08] <Jymmm> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[21:51:10] <Jymmm> RX bytes:588685 (574.8 KiB) TX bytes:362852 (354.3 KiB)
[21:51:19] <Jacky^> well it's up
[21:51:25] <Jacky^> route -n
[21:51:34] <Jacky^> should show your gateway
[21:52:21] <Jacky^> for me is
[21:52:43] <Jacky^> you should have I suppose..
[21:52:52] <Jymmm> localhost:/etc/network# ping
[21:52:53] <Jymmm> PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
[21:52:53] <Jymmm> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=13.9 ms
[21:52:53] <Jymmm> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=13.8 ms
[21:52:53] <Jymmm> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=12.9 ms
[21:52:53] <Jymmm> --- ping statistics ---
[21:52:55] <Jymmm> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2001ms
[21:52:57] <Jymmm> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 12.967/13.584/13.956/0.439 ms
[21:52:59] <Jymmm> localhost:/etc/network#
[21:53:06] <Jymmm> that's yahoo.com btw
[21:54:15] <websys> well you could just hard code a dns server if you just want to get it working
[21:54:15] <Jacky^> well, it worl with numeric address
[21:54:21] <Jacky^> work*
[21:54:54] <Jacky^> I think resolv.conf is being writed by dchp-client..
[21:54:57] <Jymmm> Couldn't stat source package list http://webersys.com ./ Packages
[21:55:14] <websys> I'm updating it this very minute
[21:55:17] <Jacky^> if the package is installed an configured should work
[21:55:41] <Jymmm> websys oh, I was just trying to install links
[21:56:18] <websys> should be there in a few minutes
[21:56:46] <Jymmm> Temporary failure in name resolution
[21:57:41] <websys> Jymmm - want to just plug in my nameserver temporily to see if it resolves?
[21:58:12] <Jymmm> What I'm REALLY frustrated about is debian sarge works fine. Then if I follow the wiki to apt-get emc there is a problem with HAL and the kernel.
[21:58:47] <Jymmm> websys my dns works fine, just they change them sometimes and I don't want to go thru this later on doewn the road.
[21:58:58] <websys> ok
[21:59:19] <Jymmm> screwit , how can I add them manually (mine that is) ?
[21:59:52] <websys> in the file /etc/resolv.conf, add the line(s):
[22:00:05] <websys> nameserver
[22:00:22] <websys> nameserver WhateverNameServerYouKnow
[22:00:35] <websys> you can have as many as you want
[22:02:34] <JymmmEMC> well, INSTANT response since I added them to resolv.conf
[22:02:43] <websys> figures
[22:03:10] <JymmmEMC> lets hope that a reboot doesn't have dhcp erase the entries
[22:04:26] <JymmmEMC> and why apt-get only has you as source is beyond me.
[22:04:26] <Jacky^> mmhh,, probably..
[22:06:19] <JymmmEMC> ty websys , Jacky^
[22:06:43] <JymmmEMC> I'll get the rest figured out later on.
[22:06:54] <websys> webersys id the only thing in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[22:07:33] <Jacky^> JymmmEMC: ok :)
[22:08:42] <Jymmm> localhost:/etc# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:08:42] <Jymmm> # The main repository for Debian packages.
[22:08:42] <Jymmm> deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main
[22:08:42] <Jymmm> # Synergy updates.
[22:08:42] <Jymmm> deb http://webersys.com/debian/ ./
[22:08:42] <Jymmm> # At some point, a repository will have to be created
[22:08:44] <Jymmm> # for BDI related packages. Meanwhile, a dummy line..
[22:08:46] <Jymmm> ## deb http://emc.repository/debian ./ ##
[22:08:48] <Jymmm> localhost:/etc#
[22:08:57] <Jymmm> websys gotta love it
[22:09:20] <Jymmm> thats the WHOLE file btw
[22:16:40] <websys> as long as you have the debian site, you should be able to get updates
[22:17:44] <JymmmEMC> yeah. I'm just used to having 'more then one' is all.
[22:18:56] <JymmmEMC> and I'm surprised to see ONLY one entry.
[22:19:26] <websys> That's all that paul put in there
[22:21:18] <Jacky^> JymmmEMC: adding deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main should be a good idea, to get security update
[22:21:36] <Jacky^> but better ask to paul..
[22:29:33] <JymmmEMC> if paul was ever around
[22:30:00] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:30:56] <JymmmEMC> oh great.... now that I've spent all this time on video and dns, now emc doens't start up.
[22:31:52] <Jacky^> ugh !
[22:36:45] <websys> Jymm - still there?
[22:36:51] <JymmmEMC> yeah
[22:37:22] <websys> Would you please do an apt-get update to see if it complains about my site?
[22:38:53] <JymmmEMC> localhost:/home/jim# apt-get update
[22:38:53] <JymmmEMC> Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages [3557kB]
[22:38:53] <JymmmEMC> Get:2 http://webersys.com ./ Packages [225B]
[22:38:54] <JymmmEMC> Ign http://webersys.com ./ Release
[22:38:54] <JymmmEMC> Get:3 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Release [81B]
[22:38:55] <JymmmEMC> Fetched 3557kB in 30s (118kB/s)
[22:38:55] <JymmmEMC> Reading Package Lists... Done
[22:38:58] <JymmmEMC> localhost:/home/jim#
[22:39:11] <websys> Thanks - guss it's all there now
[22:40:16] <JymmmEMC> how do I get the path to the cmd of an icon?
[22:41:39] <websys> ? right-click and get properties?
[22:42:06] <JymmmEMC> doens't show it for something in a menu... /EMC/generic
[22:44:17] <websys> right click on the start button and use menu editor?
[22:44:37] <JymmmEMC> I dragged the icon to the desktop
[22:44:54] <JymmmEMC> FUCK ME!
[22:45:03] <websys> No thanks
[22:45:27] <websys> the desktop is stored in files in our home directory
[22:45:30] <JymmmEMC> If I click the generic icon, it tries to start then dies. If I start it from a Konsole it starts
[22:45:42] <websys> you can view those files
[22:46:34] <websys> are you running Konsole as root?
[22:46:48] <JymmmEMC> su
[22:47:18] <websys> the icon doesn't go to su
[22:47:36] <websys> You're just a normal user
[22:47:45] <websys> ( from the icon )
[22:48:19] <JymmmEMC> so that just defeats the purpose
[22:48:24] <JymmmEMC> of having an icon
[22:53:22] <websys> You can have the icon run the app as a differt user ( i.e. root )
[22:54:24] <Jymmm> screw it, I'm gonna login as root instead.
[23:02:10] <Jacky^> hi robin_sz
[23:11:31] <robin_sz> evening
[23:11:43] <Jacky^> it seem to me that 3D roughing with 6 mm mill end don't make difference on a job :\
[23:12:03] <robin_sz> so .. one of my suppliers, who make cnc controls for plasma .. just sent me an email
[23:12:05] <Jacky^> evening robin_sz :-)
[23:12:26] <robin_sz> announcing their new email addresses
[23:12:45] <robin_sz> CC'd to everyone in there db
[23:12:47] <robin_sz> heheh
[23:13:03] <Jacky^> :)
[23:13:42] <robin_sz> people are so *stoopid* :)
[23:13:59] <Jacky^> yep..
[23:14:10] <robin_sz> anyway ... its the weekend now ...
[23:14:16] <robin_sz> shooting competition tomorow
[23:14:38] <Jacky^> is a way as another to attract attention
[23:14:57] <Jacky^> shooting ?
[23:15:11] <robin_sz> yeah, local competition
[23:15:17] <Jacky^> nice
[23:16:09] <robin_sz> well, if I win, yes, its nice
[23:16:17] <Jacky^> :)
[23:16:43] <Jacky^> I don't know how to say.. we say " In bocca al lupo" in this case
[23:17:13] <Jacky^> something like 'good luck', but isn't
[23:17:20] <robin_sz> 'k
[23:17:31] <Jymmm> i give up
[23:18:48] <Jymmm> I'm in contious mode, hold down a jog key, and then it goes, pauses,goes, pauses, etc.
[23:19:15] <Jacky^> Jymmm: solved ? work ?
[23:20:12] <Jymmm> no and no
[23:20:58] <Jymmm> great... now it's all locked up
[23:22:04] <Jacky^> bad day :(
[23:22:41] <Jymmm> very
[23:23:20] <Jymmm> is BDI 420 the same as BDI live?
[23:23:38] <Jymmm> I mean, built fromt he same thing?
[23:23:51] <Jacky^> I installed it, I believe are the same thing
[23:24:33] <Jacky^> you could check with uname --all
[23:25:52] <Jacky^> I also used live cd, work great for me
[23:31:32] <Jacky^> Jymmm: wich cpu have the pc where you're installing ?
[23:31:39] <Jacky^> not amd ?
[23:32:53] <Jacky^> if I remember well I read some issue about Amd cpu, somewhere..
[23:36:29] <Jymmm> celeron
[23:36:52] <Jacky^> no problem, then
[23:37:07] <robin_sz> * robin_sz suspects its a period problem
[23:37:22] <robin_sz> how fast is the machine?
[23:37:26] <robin_sz> 400mhz?
[23:37:30] <robin_sz> 1ghz?
[23:37:30] <Jacky^> robin_sz: eureka !
[23:37:34] <Jacky^> right
[23:38:59] <Jymmm> ~400MHz running keystick right now
[23:41:55] <Jymmm> um, anyoen know how to get rid of the background graphic on teh console? tuc swatting a msn butterfuly?
[23:44:09] <Jacky^> Jymmm: I think you can set background transparence on console to see the wallpaper on desktop
[23:44:15] <Jacky^> should be nice
[23:44:35] <Jymmm> I DONT want to see it.
[23:44:42] <Jacky^> ah
[23:44:45] <Jymmm> =)
[23:44:49] <Jymmm> oh hi robin_sz
[23:45:06] <Jymmm> just having a rough time here
[23:45:17] <Jymmm> I think I need to walk away for a bit.. bbl
[23:45:24] <Jacky^> then remove desktop wallpaper click DX
[23:45:49] <robin_sz> ugh .. they still put silly backgroubnd pics on?
[23:45:52] <Jacky^> Jymmm: check the period variable as robin_sz said
[23:46:03] <Jacky^> try a minor value
[23:46:11] <Jacky^> emc should work
[23:49:10] <Jacky^> tomorrow here begin an exposure market amateur radios operator, computer, surplus, etc..
[23:49:27] <Jacky^> saturday and sunday, 2 days :D
[23:50:28] <Jacky^> I will buy some old board, for components and sone lcd display :P