Good evening folks!
Hope none of you live in a flood plain like I do!
housing is cheaoper I guess
Some what, but they are allready flooded a Km noth of me!
can you swim?
Like a fish:)
well, start moving everything upstairs
I'm hoping it won't get to that, I don't want to move 8 aquariums thanks.
I hope those fish dont drown!
robin how are you at decifering parport pinouts?
yours is ... muddy.
and a bit damp.
oh, sorry, thats tomorow ..
you have emc installed?
I got new steppers and new drivers but hookup is a little different than zylotex
you have emc installed?
Yes I'm running Emc2
my familiarity with emc2 is >< this much
Do you want to go pin by pin?
I beleive as standard, it has the same pinout as emc1
use the "show signals" script in the GUI to show you the pinouts
Yes it does, but new driver has different terms for stuff and i want to make sure i hook up to right parport pins1
I know what the emc pinouts are, not sure what new driver is asking for. Maybe just different names for same thing
I need help to cross reference them!
Any body game?
The driver is from Nyden Corp, San Jose .
Allright, Thanks any way! Bye for now.
[01:50:32] <Jymmm> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?XylotexBoard
how are ppl installing emc2? From CVS only?
so install bdi 420 then cvs?
well, I'll never install it till it gets out of cvs
you dont have any excuse
I'm not gonna muck around with cvs. Someone whats to pull it out, ok.
it's two commands
Well, just getting bdi installed took 4 reboots.
that's because your machine is a flunky piece of trash
what makes you think it will perform correctly when you need it to?
works on everythign else
it's okay jymmm, you can confide in me, i'm trying to install emc on a machine that powers off every once in a while for no particular reason
I'm serious, I have debian and 2k on this machine - no problems installing/operating at all. Just BDI
I suspect the RT kernel isn't all up to par for 'onboard' devices
reset you BIOS to SAFE settings.
but the installer has nothing to do with that
from what i understand, it's exactly the same as any other debian installer
SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
It's just *MUCH* easier to blame the developers, even if it's not their fault.
(but we know it is =)
ValarQ you like that huh? =)
nah, but it't true...
it is easy blaming developers
cause they fucked up and will NEVER admit it!
of course we won't, my code for example is perfect
is there anythign in particular you screw up more than anything else?
* ValarQ thinks for a moment
can't think of something special, i usually learn from my mistakes
I start screwing up when I have a time crunch adn have to take shortcuts.
like while we dont need that anymore, so do the other thing minimally.
still fighting to get emc?
alex_joni Nah, just blaming the developers for their screwups =)
alex_joni aka biting the hand that feeds =)
why don't you apt-get install emc ?
if you got a working debian...
alex_joni say what?
apt-get install emc
alex_joni I thought a RT kernel was needed
that's pulled too
and it gets installed
oh, NOW you tell me!
wanted to make you learn stuff :D
[06:38:46] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?DebianInstall
alex_joni.... Please TAKE this personally.... FUCK YOU! lol
ok.. won't say no more ;)
Nah, I got it installed coupel days ago, just slow
dns is screwed up , so that's not helping
try emerge bind
no, I mean it's not pulling the dns servers via dhcp
and i dont remember how to change all that
* ValarQ points at the debianuser and laughs
ValarQ: don't be mean :D
it's not their fault
ValarQ : Goony Goo Goo
I like debian
me too ;)
* anonimasu yawns
I just talked to the customer I went to yesterday.. the machine is running in production today ^_^
so ... when will it blow up?
I am waiting for them to end up in bad grounds so I can tweak it some more
tree planting still?
they stopped from dragging to plant seeds to digging to plant tree's....
you need to move the machine acording to the forward speed..
in sync.. otherwise the material falls back :)
hm, I got a new os for the plc's that dosent have the memory problem... :)
the one i encountered yesterday :)
seems to me you'll get them to have a nice PLC after all
* anonimasu hasted manufacturer bugs
stuff I cant fix but just diagnose..
* alex_joni starts installing sugarcrm
hm, I should head for work in a bit
[08:24:58] <alex_joni> http://www.sugarcrm.com/home
alex_joni: have you played more with your toy?
if I get time over I should move to another office at work..
need a AC and a good lock on the door..
anonimasu: seen the new movies I made?
give me give me give me!
anonimasu: found it?
looking in a bit. reasoing /.
[08:37:06] <anonimasu> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/06/30/1854228.shtml?tid=123&tid=95&tid=145
I need to go will check the movies from work
I am looking onw
looks really nice
hm, now lets see if the os downgrade solves my problem
argh it's a hardware problem
bugger that ;)
it's pretty serious..
intermitent problem ?
well I guess I'll be on phone to switzerland again..
the hardware revision on some of my plc's does not allocate memory correctly
I hate intermitent stuff
that's the hardest to debug
I tried switching the OS version of them to another one that it work with on another plc.
but it does not solve it..
I have a object that changes the pointer to some data, and that object has a connection to two memory objects..
the memory objects does not get any pointer to the data..
the other problem I had that I kind of cured they managed to reproduce also..
hmmm .. started to install sugarCRM
works pretty ncie
so they have sent the issue to the OS dept
need to wait for their solution..
calling switzerland :)
hm, lunch or somthing
anonimasu: short question
nah.. found it ;)
[10:54:15] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/DSC01230.JPG http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/DSC01231.JPG
my new lathe :)
yo anonimasu :)
you just missed the link to the lathe I bought
[11:03:35] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/DSC01230.JPG http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/DSC01231.JPG
what's up today?
today is my birthday :D
i'm waiting for a dinner
and reply some e-mail
tnx alex_joni ;)
*looking at VFD's with positioning support :)
I need lots of cash.
hack emc to do that
drivev my spindle off the lpt?
my vfd is on it's last breath...
I want a digital one.. they are more reliable..
mine somtimes ends up between the windings in the motor and the motor stalls..
* anonimasu just got off phone with switzerland
long phonecall ;)
oh wrote a mail and made a testcase..
they were like "ah you again"
* anonimasu seems to be great at breaking things
I hope it's the module that has a problem and not the hardware revision..
but it's taking a awfully long time to verify ;)
what are you doing today?
nah.. preparing to leave
I'm starting my vacation
hm I am amazed at how efficient inverters are nowdays
12 > 220v has a effiency of 90%
yeah.. I packed mine ;)
err over 90%
that's pretty damn efficient
I just oredered one for a customer..
to driver a servodrive 48v converter :)
where are you going?
to your other house?
going with a tent
yeah.. that's why I needed the 12->220 ;)
I have a 24>220v(300w cont 600w int)
and my laptop charger will do 12 in directly
it's nice being able to charge in the car when going to places to work..
hmm... seems my machine can't output pulses fast enough :(
it ferrors at > F100
well that's about the limit
I ferror over 2000
hmm.. 140 is still ok
straight G1 works at F180
hmm.. seems F stuff doesn't apply
it takes the max vel from the ini ;)
try feed override..
ferrors at 132 with feedoverride 120
1.1 still ferrors
1.01 still ferrors ;)
seems 132 is max for me
that's pretty fast
with my current setup anything > 1300 ferrors
emc2 does not like high period settings
it forgets the interface :)
you should add a motor to your toy ;)
or a pen so you can plot stuff
1i = 256.67 pulses
so 132 ipm = 567 pulses / sec
hm that really is slow
that's 1100 changes / sec
or about 4kHz
you should be able to get more speed out of it.. I think
I got ~300 per mm
try cranking up your period
huh.. that's a lot ;)
period is at 0.0000050
it's too little..
period is at 0.000050
what are your times for the axis:es
max_vel & max_accel ?
I cant remember the name :)
nee to log onto the mill at home and check
or whatever it's called
try decreasing them..
servo to 500 ?
lemme see ;)
I tweaked down PERIOD and the servo_period for the axis:es to get more speed..
you might need to raise ferror also.. in worst case
yeah.. but I can't go with PERIOD lower
because.. it's a 300 MHz box
I guess you ARE at the limit
my box is a 600 MHz
but it's too slow :)
and it's not a 300 MHz CPU
it's a 300 MHz SBC
with an Geode GX1
a bit slower than a PII-300 ;)
you can match the fastest plc's I can buy..
they have 300mhz geode processors..
but well, the price is scary..
1250$ per cpu module :D
I have a 800 with a 440bx chipset
in my shelve as a server..
that will power the mill in the future
buggerall feedback from JMK about the NML messages..
seen my toy?
it's moving ;)
seen the vids.
an interesting "toy"
paul_c: how are things going for you?
paul_c: what's up ?
Start a new project next week
wich type of project ?
are you splitting from emc?
i would also like to start something for a little I know..
can you suggest something ?
or is it just somthing else
I seen there are many projects starting , seem to do the same thing :\
paul_c: what we really need ?
I know a little of Ruby, can also try Python
but please do not talk to me of C
Purely usr space, probably C++, and maybe on top of RTAI
uhm.. no.. I think can't be to help for this :(
to hard for me
paul_c: that sounds nice
Most of it is GUI design & programming.
Jacky^: what's missing is a gui for configuring hal
ValarQ started doing that
alex_joni: you know, i started to learn emc some mounth ago, but if I can be something, i will be happy to do it
paul_c: any special reason you've decided to start a new project like that?
getting paid for it.
ah.. I thought you were giving up on emc..
paul_c: is it not actually possible to make a donation for developers ?
sure you can.
Bank No. xxx-xxxxx-xxx
i mean specific donation
i made some donation last year
[13:51:19] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/users/alex_joni/
The donation scheme @ SF only works if/when all the developers sign up to it.
I read that the money goes to the project that need more of others
people cant decided where ?
I tracking debian.org
Sorry, alex_joni does not accept donations. Please encourage them to opt in to the donation feature. ?
I have been known to do custom BDI disks for a small fee.
hmmm.. I don't have PayPal
that's why it won't work
I don't know much about emc development
but I think there are many way to help
the first should be monay donation, i'm sure
second, could be maybe cpu donation
many project are using cluster I suppose to develop their apps
, repeat,i don't know much about emc development..
I tried qemu + win2k + artcam.. it deluded me
can't work, 4 mb video memory !
paul_c: sorry, in my little, I think BDI can't become a business
I think BDI could be supported from voluntary donations
but we need to disclose BDI to the outside better
I mistake ?
I think shoud be more popoular..
no need other
alex_joni: Did you want to make a start on the NML command messages ?
how do you mean that?
like what was done with the status messages.
one small problem ;)
I'm running from civilization ;)
next week I'll be in a tent
without power or laptops around :D
[14:36:11] <paul_c> http://www.rei.com/product/47819613.htm?vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC
looks really nice
I wonder how many people you can fit in that..
just the one.
[14:40:46] <alex_joni> http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=47850744&parent_category_rn=4500538&vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_PP
anonimasu: that's for one
the link I sent is for 6 ;)
you dont want a tent that spacy..
I still prefer my tent for 3 ;)
works ok for 2 people
let me guess..
you met a girl that dragged you out in the forest..
heh.. that was looong ago ;)
Jacky^_ is now known as jacky^
hm, I guess it's time to go home for me now
hp keyboard died :\
these are toys, not keyboard :\
* alex_joni goes home
got some decent work to quote on today
not anything really special, but enough to keep us busy
I installed, tested sugarcrm
works pretty slow on my crappy machine ;)
its nice looking
xrms is OK too
P133/48M Ram ;)
I'm just using an old dual 600 Xeon box
sounds a bit better
I plan to use my dual 933 Xeon / 1 GB ram for this
but slwo compared to a say, 2.8ghz celery
should be OK
CRM can change your business
allows multiple people to do sales effectively
what I don't like is that it doesn't have a ro locale
I think its just a big text file
so translation would be simple
yeah.. but .. who has the nerve to do that ;)
crm is nice
we use somthing like that at work..
and, with all respect, the costs of paying someone to do that for you might be lower in .ro than other places
yeah.. I agree ;)
would probably be around 10-20 EUR / h
so you could even make some money :)
sugar crm is not just open.
it has a comercial arm too
so maybe they would pay a little for another locale
it can change your company for sure
IF you use it properly
all that knowledge about "x is a customer of y" "b used to work for c" etc can be captured
and not just in one persons head
and you should never again forget to follow up an enquiry
or a quotation
I hope so
those are "opportunities" in crm speak
quotations = opportunities ?
give each one a value and a %ge likelyhood of it coming good
and eventually you can see your predicted sales coming up ...
perhaps the biggest thing is that it allows you to have more than one person across sales ...
everyone can see what is going on
can you configure groups?
say I have 3 divisions
and I don't want people across divisions see what others do
access control lists in xrms
sugar has similar
right.. smthg like that
hm, that's pretty standard for all management software
say I have customers for only one salesman to see
and managers of course
* robin_sz nods
you dont want some sales people just copying your entire db
thats pretty standard
steve_stallings: gotta brag about this ;)
[16:47:12] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/mytoy/
anonimasu: don't laugh ;)
it's a nice toy
* alex_joni has today 10000 times less money ;)
our money got denominated
10000 lei = 1 RON ;)
you should start dealing in usd
now it's 3.46 LEI = 1 EUR
no laughs, guessing 3 axis kinematics for 2 cartestian axes?
steve_stallings: actually 3 cartesian axes
but Z doesn't work because of too little weight
alex_joni: isnt it kind of futile selling robots.. and stuff when the money you make gets denominated
it's just new money
with less 0'es at the end
it's worth the same
ah like that..
I thought they decresed in value. :D
dont worry ...
inflation will soon bring those 0s back
inflation is about 2-5% in the last few years
so it's not that bad
alex - assume you have seen: http://www.linuxcnc.org/NAMES2000/HEXAPOD.JPG
steve_stallings: yeah, a while back
* alex_joni goes away for a while
back later guys
[16:54:39] <anonimasu> http://www.cuttingedgecnc.com/Movies/ffmm.wmv
I need some help regarding MEC
well .. ask away
okay, we are in the process of updating EMC since we have a real old version
however, even then
with the old version I'm having some issues to make it work
since I follow the procedure of going from turning E-Stop off
and then the next step to turn the machine on by pressing F2, I can hear the servos go
but it doesn't show that it is turned on
so I can't do any calibration or anything
and before it was supposed to work
since some students used it before
and the last time they did was a year and a half ago
ciao robin_sz :))
so is there anything in the code that may make it not recognize that the machine is on
parport pin 12-13-15
which version are your running
1.18 i believe
wow ... old.
tell me about it
well, its worth upgrading, thats for sure
well, we are getting a new computer, so by tuesday we'll be getting the processor
last thing we are missing
oh, built from parts?
why missing ?
ahh, must be a govenrment funded thing .. about the only people who can afford to build from parts these days :)
well, we ordered parts but it seems processor was defective
so we returned and now we are waiting for the replacement
if it worked before, it should still work
I'd guess the estop circuit is probably to blame
well, it goes out of ESTOP
but wont come "on"
so that's your only guess?
no .. i shall have another guess in a aminute
oh ok, thanks a lot :)
the thing is that I'm not an electrical engineer, so I'm scared of messing up anything on the control panel
not knowing your setup its difficult to guess
using the STG servo board?
i have model ii
though originally we should use model i
but it seems that it may be broken
I recommend you figure out the problem BEFORE changing the machine or software
any of the servo drives showing a fault?
* robin_sz agrees with cradek
and you are running this from a command line?
or a clicky icon?
from the EMC window
no .. to start emc ...
oh, from an icon
try running it from a command line
<check where the icon links to, go there>
as you may see some debugging info that helps
should i leave windowsx
no .. you are not a linux guy then?
i'm using linux
but i'm using the GUI
so should i leave the GUI?
just from the console?
19:07 -!- Jacky^ was kicked from #linux-it by Md [Md]
but open a terminal window <xterm, gterm, whatvere your term is ...>
robin_sz: here we have many stupid peoples :\
JJB: and then cd to wherever you emc install is ...
he ask to me for : 19:02 < Md> qualcuno sa come posizionare una immagine con LaTeX in un angolo della pagina, sopra il testo
che c'è già?
i reply: 19:06 < Jacky^> http://www.lateximage.com/home.htm
and he kicked mee :\
JJB: and then run emc, probably ./emc.run ... but check your icon properties to find out if you are unsure
Jacky^: one minute, I am trying to help a guy with a real emc question
gghhgh stupid italian op :(
okay, so i run
robin_sz: ok, :)
ooh, a hexapod :)
yemc? wow .. now theres a GUI from the past :)
just watch for errors
esp as you press F1 f2 ...
so i go for the procedure
* robin_sz nodsa
okay, pressed F1
so that's fine
then press F2
hear the servos go
but doesn't show anything
next step is to home
by pressing A or Z
command 124 cannot be executed until the machine is out of E-stop and turned on
so it thinks it is still off
but when i press F2
it's when i hear the servos go
so it does turn them on
well, I was hoping to see some sort of useful error message
sounds like the estop circuit is OK
as the servos come on
yeah, that's what i think
ue Jymmm what's up in california '?
On a 3 axis router, is it possible to rotate the head from 90 degrees to 45 degrees (for drilling holes at an angle) and have emc compensate, or is this somethign that I would have to deal with elsewhere (cam/cad)?
Jacky^ the heat =(
okay, i'm back
JJB: some machine implement a return signal, to confirm they came on
Jacky^ (.) (.)
so what should i do then?
is it possible there is someting you have overlooked?
some saftey circuit?
a key switch?
i've tried my best
but there's no more information on any circuits
other than the connections
but for troubleshooting
they don't talk anything about this
JJB: well, in the absence of any obvious software errors, its probably sometihng external to emc, esp if it worked before
JJB: I would recommend you return later when paul_c is around, as he has more experience than most of us
okay, that'd be great
when time is he back?
mail him and arrange a time ...
that often works
do you know his e-mail?
thats one of his
JJB do you know what driver this thing is using?
how can i figure out?
can you see the board(s) the motors are connected to?
Jymmm: its a servo to go 2 card
was thinking a reversed wiring since it's being rebuilt.
well, originally it was working with a servo to go 1 card
however, i have doubts with that card
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
LawrenceG, did you get any documentation with the MESA FPGA card?
since with that one not even the servos turn on
more of the story
so we were lent from another lab a 2 card
I think that uses a different driver
not sure if 1.18 even supports the stg2 ...
out of my depth now though ... :)
* Jymmm waves to SWPadnos
well, i'll change back the 1 card, and see if i hear them run
i'll get back 2 u on that
JJB : If you suspect one of the cards, you could swap out the card from another axis for testing purposes as well.
swpadnos: just the stuff that came online
* SWPadnos waves back at Jymmm
Jymmm: one of what cards? he only has one card in at any one time .. a single STG card
robin_sz : I thought they might have been individual drivers per motor.
like the geckos are
there are -the card only supplies an analog control signal (IIRC)
Jymmm: you seem confused. this is an STG card driving some servos
Jymmm: you have one STG cardm and up to 8 servo drives
robin_sz : <Jymmm> robin_sz : I thought they might have been individual drivers per motor.
and they arent
there are individual drivers per motor
but thats got nothing to do with the STG card
SWPadnos: you get your card ???
not directly anyway
(to Imperator_ )
haven't installed it yet
my "testing" computer was raided to fix my wife's computer, and I haven't put it back together yet
we asked them for about six cards and we got no answer since monday
SWPadnos : Hey, that's ALWAYS a bad idea =)
well - it kept my wife happy so ...
with the STG1 card
i can't get them to turn on
all things being equal, a computer doesn't complain when you remove parts :)
i read the documentation for stg and emc
and they said that there's no difference in the operation of STG1 and STG2
so if u have STG1 and upgrade to STG2
it should work with the same drivers
SWPadnos : WEll, if you are removing parts from your wife, I hope your at least there's tequilia involved.
JJB: that may be the case with later STG drivers, I cant honestly be sure with 1.18 ...
well, it seems to turn the servos on at least
really, paul_c is the man to ask ...
somethign more than the old STG1 did
okay, will do then
thanks a lot
I already e-mailed him
waiting for an answer
thanks for your help guys
what's up there ?
[18:36:59] <robin_sz> http://www.rathergood.com/buffy/
tomorrow at work ?
or free day ?
and shooting in the afternoon
shooting ? what ?
where ? O_o
when the holydays ?
are you programmed ?
holidays? ... none this year
no ? :\
well, august I have 1 week shooting
national competitons at Bisley
and a few days sailing in Finland
sailing ? you rent a boat ?
or you have a boat ?
I like Fisherman
to fish.. of course
why don't come in Roccella Jonica ?
whit the boat I mean
there's a nice port :)
20-27 august 2005
take a look : http://www.istc.org/sisp/?fx=event&event_id=97487
I have a friend with a boat in FInalnd
we go over once or twice a year to sail in the Gulf of Botnia ...
where you will you ?
in Finland ?
probably one of the top 4 sailing spots in the world
West coast of Scotland, 1000 island bay in NZ ...
they are nice too
anyway, in the next days i will take some photos of roccella joina port, i want to show it you :)
its a long way from .fi
my friend is taking a new bnaot back from uk to .fi this week
but, every summer I see many tourist coming from North Europe..
a Sparkman and Stephens boat, so very nice .. aluminium hull
I will show you some photo's, next days,
well.. i must go in hospital for a visit :\
after will go to eat something
Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
* anonimasu yawns
and fenn too!
fenn_: greetings :)
fenn: can you do me a favour?
I hope he doens't hit the wrong button when machining!!!
i just had to share this link, hope it works: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fpc.watch.impress.co.jp%2fdocs%2f2005%2f0328%2froboone.htm
what, break into the manufacturer's house and steal 50 stg cards?
fenn: nah, not quite that ... it was more a wiki thing
oh poo.. i'm always into ninja-type activities
* robin_sz doubts the STG guys have 50 cards left anyway
fenn how tall are these robots?
they seem to be just radio controlled bots .... not autonomous
did you see the kid wearing the control suit?
oh man, http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0328/robo0479.jpg
I'd put our bot up against any of them
that's the designer of the gundam suits' robot
yeah, lots of RC servos ...
those things have plastic gears .. I should imagine the biggest job is changing all the gears after every round
more like all tha maching that had to be done!
so so many parts
actually i didn't know babelfish could do japanese
guess i'm out of a job
fenn Hebrew is the one language that's difficult to find a translator for.
* alex_joni likes xml stuff
[20:51:31] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/mare1041.jpg
not exactly what i was expecting :)
just got it via email
* Jymmm connects a hipot tester to alex_joni's electric toothbrush
alex_joni : http://www.asresearch.com/products/catalog/hipots.shtml
fenn: anyway as I was saying ...wiki things ...
fenn: the original wike is published under a "creative commons" licence .. sort of a GPL for creative works
fenn: could you include a the creative commons licence terms on your copy somewhere?
oops yeah... it was included in the page template that didn't get copied over
no problem :)
actually, i was thinking of printing out copies of the emc wiki and selling them to unsuspecting newbies :)
I'm wondering if 15' of motor cable is enough, or to go with 20'?
alex_joni: you see the fighting robots link?
[21:13:48] <fenn> http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fpc.watch.impress.co.jp%2fdocs%2f2005%2f0328%2froboone.htm
gotta love this one: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0328/robo0893.mov
these kids make better stuff than most of that MIT crap
fenn : They have technology crammed down their throats too. In the US, you can be a HS grad and not know how to read.
uh, what's your point?
fenn : If the education level in technology was as strong here in the US, We'de see more amazing things like that.
yeah but those kids are 12 years old! they don't even know how to read japanese!
fenn: be serious, what's to read at those funny pictures ;)
i dont think it has anything at all to do with education, it's all about where your motivations and dreams are going
throw in a little healthy rivalry that would never happen in the US (since nobody is interested in robots here) and you get stuff like robo-ONE
ah well, i'll stop ranting
i should put in an entry next year :)
fenn: the US has a long way to go to catch up with places like Japan
fenn: remember, the US is the country where they still dont believe in evolution, so they probably have a lot of science catching up to do yet
Software suppliers are trying to make their software packages more "user-friendly." Their best approach, so far, has been to take all the old brochures, and stamp the words, "user-friendly" on the cover.
[22:01:29] <robin_sz> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Strawberry+Pancakes/
i'm going out
Day changed to 02 lug 2005 !!
a while back
robin_sz: are you familiar with orson welles ?
* alex_joni loves the war of the worlds ;)
didn't see the new one though
but the one by orson welles is great
the radio version ...
caused massive panic in the US when it was broadcast
hmm.. that does say a bit about US people ;)
sure does ;)
[22:49:46] <Jymmm> http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/wotw.html
The raido broadcast was just like "breaking news", and if missed the introduction, you didn't know it was real.
Now the FCC stepped in, can't do shit like that anymore. bummer.
alex_joni : got a sec?
Does anyone know how to change step/direction to cw/ccw pulses?
you mean quadrature
Hey alex_joni hows things?
bpmw_: pretty ok
look for the STEPPING_TYPE var
bpmw_: what emc flavour?
Hi robin, yes
but ... its not available in all the drivers
dont think so
emc2 is easy
you have a parameter to the insmod of the step driver
Im all eyes!!:)
bpmw_: look at core_stepper.hal
1. replace: loadrt stepgen cfg="0 0 0"
at the top of file
with: loadrt stepgen cfg="2 2 2"
type 2 is quadrature
ype 2: Quadrature (aka Gray/Grey code)
State Phase A Phase B
0 1 0
1 1 1
2 0 1
3 0 0
0 1 0
ok so far?
ok, but how does that affect standard pinout.hal?
2. need to route the new pins (exported by type 2) to parport
SO I will have 4 pinsout per axis?
still 2 / axis
but they won't be called stepgen.0.step and stepgen.0.dir
instead they'll be called stepgen.0.PhaseA and stepgen.0.PhaseB
so.. quick hack:
edit core_stepper.hal and replace stepgen.x.step with stepgen.x.PhaseA and stepgen.x.dir with stepgen.0.PhaseB
should be enough
but it would be more nice to change the name of the signals too
see: newsig Xstep bit
that should probably read: newsig XPhaseA bit
but then you'd have to change standard_pinout.hal too
to link the new renamed signals
Just let me digest this. Pin 2 would be be cw + and pin 3 would be ccw + and cw&ccw- would tie to gnd?
Alex you still there?
how many inputs do your motor drivers have?
Is my last question correct for hook-up?
not sure what cw+ and cw- mean
same for ccw+ and ccw-
but it sounds kinda sane what you said
I think cw is phase 1 and ccw is phase 2.
ok.. then you got it right
there's a major storm approaching here ;)
So I would then ground the cw and ccw- pins?
yup.. would be my best guess too
ok. Alex what country?
alex_joni : http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/15247.html
Jymmm: you can see my house on maps.google.com
on satellite view
alex_joni Heh, cool!
but.. unfortunately there are no coords
Far from me. But we are supposed to get severe thunderstorm tonight. Don't need anymore rain allready flooding 1Km away.
bpmw_: any more questions for me?
alex_joni : http://www.google.com/search?q=weather+san+jose+ca
I think that will do for now, will make copies of files and give it a try!
Jymmm: you can search for 'timisoara, romania' on maps.google.com
will get you there
Jymmm, San Jose is where my steppers and drivers came from!
bpmw_ retailer or mfg?
I understand its about 80 degrees there now.
alex_joni whats that blob at the bototm of the map
Mfg. Nyden Corp.
btw.. did you guys know that you can see area 51 on maps.google.com?
on satellite view, not on maps ;)
alex_joni you read that too huh
yeah.. a while ago
even found it myself
seems google updated the maps from keyhole
alex_joni I watched a show where ppl were talking photos, had the FBI searchign their homes while they were photographing
Discovery Channel just had a special on area 51 this week, it was pretty interesting!
bpmw_ that was it
but I saw it a couple weeks ago
I think it been on a few times!
too many sometimes
they repeat so much anymore
I know, I have sattelite tv and hard to find something to watch!
lol, and then netflix was invented
alex_joni : DVD Rental all by mail
our local DVD rental service brings them home
and comes to pick them up when finished
about 1.5$ / DVD
alex_joni : ~$15/mo you get to rent as many as you want, up to three at a time. free postage. netflix.com
Thats pretty cool!
alex_joni is that per day?
it's / DVD
till you give it back
ok, yeah no late fees here either.
but I think it's up to 2 days that you can keep it
Hey guys any idea how i can save aal the instructions alex gave me so i can print it out?
this is as long as you want up to 45 days or so
and you can't get new ones after 3 already taken
add them to the wiki
bpmw_ see that link
no, I mean go look at it =)
I see it :D
alex_joni I hope you do =)
I went looking at it ;)
but I recall reading those things somewhere
they sound.. very .. familiar
Ya know... it's a PITA to type and solder at the same time =)
no sh*t ;)
I had to solder my soldering iron last week
Yeah.... no shit!
that was tough
quit burning the cord!
yeah.. the cable had problems
had to make it shorter
I'm soldering cable to connectors... always a PITA
[23:31:39] <alex_joni> http://www.elv-downloads.de/Bilder/Artikel/34620.jpg
sodler tabs, then gotta make it short enough for the strain relief
this is the one I use
I have an olde grounded pencil iron, I can do IC's with it at least.
Thats a nice soldering station!
yeah.. pretty cheap too
I dont' solder enough to justify a $100 soldering station (yet)
was about 60 EUR
~ 75 $
Thanks Alex for all the info, printed out of logger just great!
bpmw_: glad to help
I have to leave now and start the bbq, my wifes getting hungry:)
heh.. this is nice
[23:36:15] <alex_joni> http://www.elv-downloads.de/Bilder/Artikel/63351.jpg
I'm thinking abotu getting this http://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?&product_id=14731&czuid=1120258263046
Will catch you later, stay dry from the storm!
Jymmm: pretty ok
See ya guys!
[23:37:43] <alex_joni> http://www.elv.de/Shopping/ArtikelDetail.asp?SessionId=00185059940818294703&Referenz=633%2D51&Gruppe=ME%2DOZ&Stufe=2
not sure it'll work, because of the SessionId in there
searcg for 'WEL021' on the main website
yeah seen that
I said the link I posted might not work
if not search for 68-633-51 at www.elv.de
it did work
though, not in english =)
the USB scope
yeah. I know ;)
heh.. I was about to buy me a toy RC car
was a ferarri F1 car
I think I'd be scared to use that on my laptop
about 50 cm long
should go about 45 kmh
that's a LOT
talk to jacky, maybe he can get a REAL one cheap =)
not for 40 EUR like this one
it was really big for an RC one ;)
you wanna see what I ***REALLY*** want?
[23:47:49] <alex_joni> http://www.elv.de/Shopping/ArtikelDetail.asp?SessionId=00185059940818294703&Referenz=633%2D01&Gruppe=MO%2DFA%2DEF&Stufe=3
Jymmm: why not ;)
alex_joni : Drool in envy.... http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=HydroFoam
hmmm .. I wonder.. how do you control these at 80 kmh
you watch the whole thing?