#emc | Logs for 2005-06-26

[20:23:45] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: :)
[20:24:02] <alex_joni> hey Fido
[20:24:07] <alex_joni> * alex_joni just got home
[20:24:36] <alex_joni> did I miss anything the last few days?
[20:24:39] <alex_joni> yo paul_c
[20:24:48] <paul_c> alex_joni: Yes.
[20:24:51] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has been working on remodeling/rebuilding the utility room.
[20:24:58] <alex_joni> paul_c: what?
[20:25:09] <paul_c> presence
[20:25:18] <alex_joni> heh
[20:25:27] <alex_joni> has a very nice weekend in vienna :P
[20:25:29] <alex_joni> had
[20:25:44] <paul_c> waltzing ?
[20:25:55] <alex_joni> I skipped waltzing
[20:26:13] <paul_c> one dances a waltz, not skip.
[20:26:32] <alex_joni> yeah.. I skipped dancing :)
[20:26:41] <asdfqwega> Crivens! This ballscrew is too big for me to use!
[20:27:15] <asdfqwega> I need 2.5" travel...and the ballnut is 6" long :/
[20:27:19] <SWP_Away> chop saw
[20:27:24] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[20:27:47] <paul_c> * paul_c runs away.
[20:27:54] <SWPadnos> boo!
[20:28:17] <asdfqwega> Oh, I know that...but any way I figure it, my Z-axis feed is going to be bigger than my Z-axis quill/spindle
[20:28:43] <asdfqwega> I
[20:29:01] <asdfqwega> It's nice and hefty, though...32mm dia. with 10mm pitch
[20:29:29] <SWPadnos> that's about the size of the X + Y screws on my Bridgeport
[20:29:34] <paul_c> look on the bright side - You won't need to change it if/when you fit a bigger spindle (or need more travel)
[20:29:34] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Well, you missed it when we were discussing the idea that if we build a machine that converts bullshit to energy at an 8%-10% efficiency level, we could get to Alpha Centari in about 3 days by feeding it 15 minutes of any political/religious figures rantings. :)
[20:29:59] <A-L-P-H-A> uhuh
[20:30:03] <SWPadnos> I thought the lower bound on efficiency was 3-6%
[20:30:13] <A-L-P-H-A> well... if you just bent space, it'd be closer to a null point.
[20:30:17] <A-L-P-H-A> but that's besides the point.
[20:30:20] <SWPadnos> oh right - that was for a 1 week trip
[20:31:12] <Phydbleep> Then there was the EHPMC idea.. Enhanced Hampster Powered Machine Controller..
[20:31:16] <A-L-P-H-A> today was so sooooo sooo nice.
[20:31:24] <A-L-P-H-A> tanned, read, smoked a cuban. yummm.
[20:31:32] <A-L-P-H-A> washed the car, and driveway
[20:31:42] <paul_c> alex_joni: cvs up and comment.
[20:32:08] <A-L-P-H-A> this cuban embargo, it's only for US citizens right?
[20:32:12] <SWPadnos> yep
[20:32:19] <alex_joni> paul_c: I can't tonight :(
[20:32:27] <alex_joni> tomorrow morning
[20:32:32] <alex_joni> but I'm reading the commits now
[20:32:33] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, why again?
[20:32:36] <SWPadnos> and those countries our illustrious leaders can coerce into joining us
[20:32:54] <SWPadnos> because Fidel Castro was allied with the soviets, and is therefore EVIL forevermore
[20:32:57] <A-L-P-H-A> brits and Canucks don't have such an embargo
[20:33:05] <SWPadnos> pus that whole communist thinf
[20:33:08] <SWPadnos> thing
[20:33:13] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos? and China?
[20:33:18] <SWPadnos> plus ... thing
[20:33:22] <SWPadnos> well - that's different
[20:33:29] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: Coersion is no longer used.. Such tactics are 'terrorist acts' accoring to the USAPATRIOT act. :)
[20:33:31] <A-L-P-H-A> really? how so?
[20:34:18] <SWPadnos> right - to re-punctuate your sentence: "'Coersion' is 'no longer' 'used'. Such tactics are terrorist acts accoring to the USAPATRIOT act. :)"
[20:34:33] <Phydbleep> Castro's big disfunction is that he has been telling the US to F-Off and leave me alone for 40+ years.
[20:35:32] <asdfqwega> No, his major disfunction was pissing off the gambling mafia in the US
[20:35:32] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is having a 'punctuation dysfunction'
[20:35:39] <SWPadnos> I don't think we need a big political debate here. Anyone smart enough t o use a computer and IRC can probably agree that the president is an idiot, and that although we have some great ideals, we don't always live up to them.
[20:35:54] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Oh! "Wall Street" :)
[20:36:29] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has to agree with SWPadnos... The prez is a twit..
[20:36:52] <paul_c> Bush is a bloody......
[20:36:53] <SWPadnos> see - Phydbleep is smart enough to use a computer and IRC :)
[20:37:22] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep... well... more than 50% think he's not.
[20:37:23] <Phydbleep> DAMN!.. I slipped up and you found out. :)
[20:37:24] <A-L-P-H-A> hahahha
[20:37:30] <asdfqwega> With the latest 'free trade' baloney, it's become quite obvious
[20:37:38] <SWPadnos> well - you could be Phydbleep's cat ;)
[20:37:38] <A-L-P-H-A> voted twice into office. well.. voted once into office... but we won't go there.
[20:37:49] <SWPadnos> well - almost voted into office twice ...
[20:38:40] <SWPadnos> One nice thing about this country is that the Gestapo won't be knocking on our doors for having this conversation.
[20:38:56] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos. hahaha... so you think.
[20:38:58] <Phydbleep> BTW.. Oppose the repeal of the 22'nd amendment.. We don't need him as 'El Presidente for life".
[20:39:00] <SWPadnos> (the CIA or Homeland security might, but not the Gestapo)
[20:39:05] <paul_c> Gestapo = FBI or CIA ?
[20:39:08] <asdfqwega> SWPadnos: before you start that, read about the rules of how elections are run, and then explain to me why the dead vote Democrat in Chicago
[20:39:18] <A-L-P-H-A> wait till you start saying "SWPadnos" is going to hit the president.
[20:39:22] <SWPadnos> because they've seen the light ;)
[20:39:26] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe carnivore will hit you up...
[20:39:34] <A-L-P-H-A> mark you...
[20:39:51] <A-L-P-H-A> Secret service.
[20:40:04] <SWPadnos> they can check my FBI recordsa if they want - I'm a shining example of American Citizenry.
[20:40:14] <SWPadnos> (minus jar-jar-ism)
[20:40:27] <paul_c> Let's get rid of those damned inches in EMC and convert everything to metric.
[20:40:34] <A-L-P-H-A> write a letter, sign it someone else... wear cloves, make it to the whitehouse... death threat form "so and so"...
[20:40:44] <asdfqwega> Jar-jar-ism? sounds evil.
[20:40:51] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c! :( how about unitless?
[20:41:09] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got a lathe that's in mm... and then i've got a ballscrews in inches.
[20:41:10] <A-L-P-H-A> damn it.
[20:41:11] <SWPadnos> paul_c, OK by me, but I had suggested this some months back, and someone thought there would be a problem with the actual machine unit system
[20:41:15] <paul_c> sure, as long as we don't have to support legacy units.
[20:41:25] <SWPadnos> ie, ballscrew pitch and the like
[20:42:09] <paul_c> How much error would inch->metre conversion produce when you use a double ?
[20:42:21] <alex_joni> maybe angstroms would be a nice unit :))
[20:42:25] <A-L-P-H-A> wished there was a nice path around my area to go roller blading.
[20:42:32] <Phydbleep> paul_c: Crap.. Does this mean I'll have to manually convert to 'rods' and 'cubits'?
[20:42:33] <asdfqwega> paul_c: I don't mind what goes in inside EMC, but I'm sure as hell going to be working in inches
[20:42:35] <A-L-P-H-A> damn, I wouldn't have though i would say this... I miss hamilton
[20:42:51] <SWPadnos> doubles would be fine, but they require more storage and aren't atomic WRT moves
[20:42:57] <alex_joni> well even if EMC is internal in metric/inch/whatever
[20:43:10] <alex_joni> G20/G21 should still work as used
[20:43:30] <SWPadnos> the user interface and interpreter can work in whatever unit they want - there's just one conversion
[20:43:37] <paul_c> If everything is in metric, why support G20 ?
[20:43:49] <alex_joni> paul_c: in the file executed
[20:43:56] <SWPadnos> paul_c, I agree - it would be a good thing. I'm only pointing out that someone had an issue with it a while back
[20:44:05] <alex_joni> you might want to switch back and forth from metric to inch
[20:44:17] <SWPadnos> because it's in the spec, and there are a million G-code files that use it
[20:44:48] <asdfqwega> perspective on 'legacy' and 'obsolete' - there are still Pentium 1's in use, and there are CompSci professors who still say that C is outmoded, and Java will take over the world
[20:45:22] <paul_c> "obsolete" was the word I was looking for, thanks asdfqwega
[20:45:27] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep waves garlic and a cross at asdfqwega..
[20:45:34] <asdfqwega> Not everything is metric
[20:45:49] <SWPadnos> it doesn't work - I love garlic and I'm from there :)
[20:45:56] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: But some thing sound better that way. :)
[20:45:56] <SWPadnos> (a couple of generations back)
[20:45:59] <paul_c> 99% of the industrial world is metric
[20:46:07] <asdfqwega> Bullshit
[20:46:28] <paul_c> a reaction \o/
[20:46:50] <SWPadnos> 99% of the industrial world *should be* metric
[20:46:55] <SWPadnos> actually 100%
[20:47:02] <asdfqwega> Metric came into existence because some frenchies had to have a longer rod than the british
[20:47:12] <SWPadnos> bullshit
[20:47:21] <paul_c> The scientific community is metric.
[20:47:23] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Right.. Ask any woman if she wants 4" or 10cm and see which one she picks. :)
[20:47:40] <paul_c> Phydbleep: 100mm please.
[20:47:46] <SWPadnos> 1 decimeter
[20:47:56] <Phydbleep> ROFLMAO @ paul_c
[20:48:10] <paul_c> centimetres are used by schoolchildren & women.
[20:48:33] <SWPadnos> it's MKS (or CGS) or nuttin'
[20:49:53] <paul_c> OK... Rational for all internal units being metric:
[20:50:11] <paul_c> * No messy unit conversions all over the place
[20:50:22] <asdfqwega> I don't care if you make the internals metric or unitless
[20:50:34] <paul_c> * Change the ini from imperial to metric, PID remains the same
[20:51:06] <asdfqwega> But there is still a need for being able to display in inches
[20:51:12] <paul_c> * Only two places to do unit conversion should anyone really want imperial units.
[20:51:48] <Phydbleep> There should only be 2 conversions going on.. From what the machine measures in to EMC and to what the operator wants to see on the screen..
[20:51:56] <asdfqwega> They're not 'imperial' anymore...Great Britain disowned them
[20:51:57] <paul_c> * all but one or two countries still cling to inches.
[20:52:11] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: the measurement is done in ticks/units (mm)
[20:52:49] <SWPadnos> the two remaining conversions are for display, and in the interpreter going down to the motion control module
[20:52:59] <asdfqwega> Other than consistency for the internal maths, I don't understand what paul_c's hangup is over inches
[20:53:00] <SWPadnos> makes perfect sense to me
[20:53:08] <paul_c> SWPadnos: Not even that far...
[20:53:27] <SWPadnos> which?
[20:53:33] <paul_c> Display and at the point of input.
[20:53:44] <alex_joni> rest would be mm
[20:53:45] <SWPadnos> are you thinking that canon should be all mm?
[20:53:59] <alex_joni> yeah, surely
[20:54:02] <paul_c> everything
[20:54:09] <alex_joni> one more thing
[20:54:20] <SWPadnos> the RS274 interpreter needs to do inches as well, but it can convert on the way down
[20:54:26] <alex_joni> the user/integrator would have to define stuff in steps/mm ?
[20:54:39] <SWPadnos> that's where the problem was
[20:54:42] <alex_joni> the interp can read inches, but call mm-canon functions
[20:55:10] <paul_c> which then gets converted in to "machine units"
[20:55:14] <SWPadnos> a machine with a 0.2-inch lead (like just about every Bridgeport-like machine) likely has an uneven number of steps per unit
[20:56:08] <SWPadnos> even on my machine, which will have 40000 steps per inch, the number of steps per mm is still non-integer
[20:56:15] <alex_joni> right guys
[20:56:20] <alex_joni> I'm going to bed...
[20:56:23] <alex_joni> pretty tired
[20:56:26] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep wants some 10mm dia, 1mm pitch acme rod..
[20:56:34] <alex_joni> just cam home after some 7h drive
[20:56:35] <paul_c> and the steps/unit is stored where ?
[20:56:37] <SWPadnos> good night thanks for restarting the logger :)
[20:56:58] <SWPadnos> in the ini file
[20:57:07] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: if you can point me to a better logger, I'll change it
[20:57:13] <Phydbleep> Hurray for alex_joni and logger_aj :)
[20:57:20] <paul_c> and the ini file is input is it not ?
[20:57:22] <SWPadnos> nope - I'd be happy with yours at this point :)
[20:57:37] <SWPadnos> and I can set it to 1574.80314961 if I want
[20:57:48] <alex_joni> I meant logger-SW, so I can scrap the old one, and install a better one
[20:58:05] <SWPadnos> alex_joni, I understand - I only know of yours :)
[20:58:38] <alex_joni> this one's a dumb perl-based one
[20:58:50] <SWPadnos> does it have a name, or did you write it?
[20:59:10] <alex_joni> I dl it somewhere
[20:59:16] <alex_joni> can't remember where
[20:59:27] <SWPadnos> ok - I'll look around during my copious spare time :)
[20:59:32] <alex_joni> if I would have written it, be sure it would have been a bit smarter
[20:59:39] <SWPadnos> oh right - sorry
[21:00:10] <alex_joni> :P
[21:00:23] <alex_joni> but I don't do perl
[21:00:34] <alex_joni> and I really don't want to waste time looking at that code
[21:00:35] <SWPadnos> there's a python one I just found
[21:00:54] <alex_joni> don't have python on that machine :P
[21:00:58] <SWPadnos> http://infomesh.net/2002/logger/
[21:01:34] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: IRCBot?
[21:02:42] <SWPadnos> Perlbot
[21:02:53] <alex_joni> yeah.. sounds lik emine
[21:04:17] <ValarQ> alex_joni: install python then!
[21:04:20] <ValarQ> alex_joni: ;)
[21:05:22] <anonimasu_> hello
[21:05:40] <ValarQ> anonimasu_: hiya :)
[21:06:02] <alex_joni> http://vds.pas-mal.com/irclogs/stats.html
[21:06:40] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: ?
[21:06:57] <alex_joni> how does that look for a logger?
[21:07:16] <anonimasu_> ircstats?
[21:07:29] <anonimasu_> it's not really a logger, it's just a statistic thingie..
[21:07:30] <anonimasu_> :)
[21:07:38] <alex_joni> well..
[21:08:09] <anonimasu_> you could always set up a emech and make it log
[21:15:42] <acemi> http://www.emrah.com/kodlar/sinbad.pl.txt my ircbot... it can be converted an IRC logger easyly
[21:19:07] <robin_sz> acemi: congratulations
[21:20:09] <robin_sz> nice Perl. -w, use strict; well documented, good use of modules ...
[21:20:25] <acemi> :)
[21:21:05] <robin_sz> ooh, except ...
[21:21:07] <robin_sz> }
[21:21:09] <robin_sz> else
[21:21:10] <robin_sz> {
[21:21:30] <acemi> :)
[21:21:31] <robin_sz> apart from that, top marks :)
[21:21:47] <robin_sz> } else {
[21:21:51] <robin_sz> I prefer, :)
[21:22:03] <robin_sz> cuddle your elses :)
[21:23:16] <acemi> i like that 'if' and 'else' start from the same column
[21:23:42] <robin_sz> shurg ..
[21:23:47] <robin_sz> I know one guy ..
[21:23:51] <robin_sz> wh does ..
[21:24:05] <robin_sz> if( $cond) {
[21:24:10] <robin_sz> ...
[21:24:15] <robin_sz> }
[21:24:29] <robin_sz> makes the braces in the same place ...
[21:24:29] <A-L-P-H-A> what's a good video editor?
[21:24:33] <A-L-P-H-A> win32, or even linux.
[21:24:37] <A-L-P-H-A> for DIVX/AVI files.
[21:24:40] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: Mike Bloor,
[21:24:44] <A-L-P-H-A> I want to strip out some content on some views.
[21:24:47] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz?
[21:24:59] <robin_sz> oh, you mean software rather than wetware ;)
[21:26:02] <robin_sz> Avid MediaComposer is good ... yours for around $100K
[21:27:22] <robin_sz> http://www.avid.com/freedv/index.asp
[21:28:48] <robin_sz> free, not as good as media composer, but not at all bad
[21:29:31] <robin_sz> oh, npn free
[21:30:06] <anonimasu_> :)
[21:30:13] <anonimasu_> avid is very nice
[21:30:24] <robin_sz> indeed it is ...
[21:30:36] <anonimasu_> although not fast without the right hardware
[21:30:46] <robin_sz> I built/maintained/hand-held around 16 avid suties when I was at the BBC
[21:30:52] <robin_sz> suites
[21:30:57] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[21:31:15] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz used to work for the machine?
[21:31:16] <A-L-P-H-A> wow.
[21:31:21] <A-L-P-H-A> and you escaped?
[21:31:24] <robin_sz> fast SCSI discs and hardware compression help
[21:31:30] <anonimasu_> yep
[21:31:33] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: certainly did .. 15 years of it.
[21:31:39] <A-L-P-H-A> cool.
[21:31:40] <anonimasu_> I know somone that downloaded a pirate copy of it..
[21:31:46] <anonimasu_> and tried to run it on he's laptop ;D
[21:31:55] <anonimasu_> some guy at the school I went to..
[21:31:58] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: senior engineer, post production
[21:32:19] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz. cool. anything you post produced, that I would know of?
[21:32:21] <A-L-P-H-A> doctor who?
[21:32:22] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[21:32:27] <anonimasu_> heh
[21:32:28] <SWPadnos> did you ever work with The Mill or Glassworks?
[21:32:39] <A-L-P-H-A> aren't those relatively new?
[21:32:52] <SWPadnos> There's also Cine-Site
[21:33:13] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: I was an engineer, so never got mentioned, but I did work with Paul Vanezis restoring some Doctorr Who episodes before I left
[21:33:16] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm YARRRR!!!! pirate!!!! 'n something.
[21:33:20] <SWPadnos> I think the Mill has been around for a long time
[21:33:27] <A-L-P-H-A> coooool.
[21:33:35] <A-L-P-H-A> don't know the mill.
[21:33:49] <SWPadnos> It's one of the larger effects copanies in London
[21:33:53] <robin_sz> SWPadnos: The Mill were competitors :) .. we sometimes lost work to them
[21:33:58] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[21:34:03] <robin_sz> Soho ..
[21:34:04] <A-L-P-H-A> lets so how premier will do.
[21:34:10] <SWPadnos> You'd probably know Gadjecki VFX a little better in Toronto
[21:34:14] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ is starting to hate this cheapo tft
[21:34:21] <anonimasu_> it har large edges..
[21:34:25] <anonimasu_> so they glare..
[21:34:47] <anonimasu_> stupid designers.
[21:35:03] <SWPadnos> and of course William F. White, for all your rental needs
[21:36:01] <robin_sz> I sort of miss the world of broadcast
[21:36:12] <robin_sz> sort of ;)
[21:36:32] <SWPadnos> yeah - the 17-hour days whenever necessary are a bit of a bummer
[21:36:35] <SWPadnos> (or longer)
[21:37:03] <SWPadnos> You've probably seen a couple of commercials I worked on in the past few years
[21:37:05] <robin_sz> I spent too many years filling my head with service info ..
[21:37:17] <robin_sz> from grass Valley to Digibeta
[21:37:36] <robin_sz> Quantel to Questech
[21:37:38] <SWPadnos> Ah yes - Grass Valley - that was the other company I was trying to think of
[21:37:47] <robin_sz> nice mixers
[21:38:15] <robin_sz> the switches feel right, the paddles are sweet
[21:38:17] <A-L-P-H-A> HOLY smokes... this torrent site, has Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy completed 786,337 times. WOW.
[21:38:21] <anonimasu_> :)
[21:38:52] <SWPadnos> that's like $5 million taken from the RIAA by those terrible file sharers! ;)
[21:38:58] <anonimasu_> lol
[21:39:10] <anonimasu_> actually that's very little
[21:39:31] <robin_sz> SWPadnos: I worked on loads of gear from old Link cameras, through all the Sony Betacam stuff right through Avid and Digibeta, but I seem to have core dumped all that info now :)
[21:39:49] <SWPadnos> and that's just one of *thousands* of sites where these little fiends do their dirty work
[21:40:18] <SWPadnos> I've only worked as a camera array operator, but I have been able to play in some of the edit suites at CineSite and other places
[21:40:29] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[21:40:38] <A-L-P-H-A> $6683864.50 million, if you payd $8.50/ticket.
[21:40:51] <robin_sz> array operator? for stop-motion stuff?
[21:40:53] <anonimasu_> yep
[21:40:54] <SWPadnos> they're only $7.25-$7.75 here
[21:41:04] <A-L-P-H-A> but maybe some of those people have two+ people watching it... so maybe they'll inflat it to $200,000,000 instead.
[21:41:06] <SWPadnos> and most of the downloaders are kids, so they're only $5.75
[21:41:19] <anonimasu_> and most downloaders wouldnt see it if they couldnt download it
[21:41:24] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[21:41:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I saw it...
[21:41:48] <robin_sz> I actually prefer to dl dvds rather than buy them ...
[21:41:57] <robin_sz> not because of cost
[21:41:59] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks films should be GPL'ed
[21:42:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I _SAW_ starwars on my computer... HATED it... saw it the theatre afterwards... God only knows why, maybe it was punishment, still hated the movie.
[21:42:10] <anonimasu_> I hated it too
[21:42:17] <anonimasu_> I even went 100km to see it..
[21:42:24] <robin_sz> but because I fscking hate the compulsory "watch our trailers" crap that you cant skip on dvds
[21:42:25] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu. MBUAHahashahahahaha
[21:42:26] <anonimasu_> but well, I had a nice meal of fast food afterwards..
[21:42:30] <SWPadnos> alex_joni, they are, it just takes life + 75 years for it to happen (in this country, until it's extended again)
[21:42:47] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, so. wait.
[21:42:48] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: lol
[21:42:50] <anonimasu_> are there that old movies?
[21:42:53] <A-L-P-H-A> what happens if it's brought over to Canada?
[21:42:54] <anonimasu_> lol
[21:42:57] <SWPadnos> you can fast search through the trailers
[21:43:05] <A-L-P-H-A> does that mean that there is STILL a 75 year (C) on it it?
[21:43:16] <robin_sz> SWPadnos: yeah, I'd prefer to skip the scene
[21:43:17] <A-L-P-H-A> OR, does it fall under Canadian (C) laws?
[21:43:37] <robin_sz> SWPadnos: so at least on dl'd versions, itsusually skipped anyway
[21:43:38] <A-L-P-H-A> or say another countries (C) law, if it was released there?
[21:43:38] <SWPadnos> Mickey Mouse should be public domain now, but for some reason, copyright terms get extended whenever it's about to happen
[21:43:50] <anonimasu_> :)
[21:43:54] <anonimasu_> lol
[21:44:24] <SWPadnos> I think it means that any country that agrees to the international copyright treaties has to honor the long copyright term
[21:44:34] <SWPadnos> it's pretty stupid, if you ask me
[21:44:39] <SWPadnos> but hey - you didn't ask :)
[21:44:43] <robin_sz> did we ask you
[21:44:45] <robin_sz> heh
[21:44:56] <alex_joni> :P
[21:45:05] <A-L-P-H-A> hey! what about like Mexico?
[21:45:06] <SWPadnos> actually, A-L-P-H-A did ask, so there :P
[21:45:14] <A-L-P-H-A> after death, (C) goes to the government.
[21:45:46] <SWPadnos> That's the big problem with Korea (or some other pacific rim country) - they aren't signatories to the applicable treaties, so it's legal to copy things there
[21:45:54] <A-L-P-H-A> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. that felt good. just cracked my back.
[21:45:59] <SWPadnos> you just can't import the stuff into a signatory country
[21:46:15] <A-L-P-H-A> WOOOOOOHOOO! I'm a different shade than my photocopier paper!
[21:46:29] <SWPadnos> too much sun - stay inside for the rest of the week
[21:46:50] <A-L-P-H-A> well... actually I'm asian. I didn't stay out too long...
[21:47:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I just enough to finish a cigar.
[21:47:10] <SWPadnos> oh - well, congratulations on the new Laser White paper then :)
[21:47:10] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: say you're a chick ;P
[21:47:25] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, I'm a chick magnet! :) <Buahahha)
[21:47:30] <alex_joni> lol
[21:47:31] <robin_sz> http://www.area51newmexico.com/disturbing_universe/funny/tan_lines.jpg
[21:47:33] <alex_joni> doesn't count
[21:47:39] <alex_joni> and that said...
[21:47:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[21:47:43] <alex_joni> night guys
[21:47:53] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, seen that before.
[21:47:59] <alex_joni> sun is coming out soon.. gotta hide :D
[21:48:09] <robin_sz> beware the evil daystar!
[21:48:14] <SWPadnos> night
[21:48:17] <robin_sz> night
[21:48:32] <A-L-P-H-A> damn that big room with blue walls.
[21:51:17] <robin_sz> http://www.area51newmexico.com/disturbing_universe/funny/cat_carrier.jpg
[21:51:59] <SWPadnos> seen that before - that's pretty nasty
[21:52:14] <SWPadnos> (slightly funny, but definitely nasty :) )
[21:56:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I should send that to my cat loving friends.
[21:56:47] <A-L-P-H-A> but, I'm sure they wouldn't speak to me for a while.
[21:57:00] <robin_sz> do it
[21:57:02] <robin_sz> do it now
[21:59:42] <Jacky^> evening
[22:00:06] <A-L-P-H-A> runaway!
[22:00:06] <A-L-P-H-A> runaway!
[22:00:06] <A-L-P-H-A> runaway!
[22:00:09] <A-L-P-H-A> it's Jacky^!
[22:00:21] <Jacky^> run baby run ? :P
[22:01:48] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[22:18:21] <anonimasu_> are macs today good?
[22:18:28] <robin_sz> well ///
[22:18:30] <robin_sz> yes
[22:18:37] <robin_sz> or at leastthey will be soon
[22:18:39] <anonimasu_> I am very seriously considering purchasing one
[22:18:45] <robin_sz> now that they are going intel ;)
[22:18:51] <anonimasu_> a 12" powerbook..
[22:19:01] <robin_sz> really?
[22:19:02] <anonimasu_> I am so fucking sick of windows.
[22:19:05] <anonimasu_> yeah
[22:19:18] <robin_sz> coo, want to buy some old carbide endmills, $100 each?
[22:19:30] <anonimasu_> no :)
[22:19:35] <robin_sz> oh, sorry
[22:19:50] <robin_sz> for some reason I thought youmight be interested in old, overpriced junk ;)
[22:19:57] <anonimasu_> I pau 120$ for new ones..
[22:20:03] <anonimasu_> heh..
[22:20:15] <robin_sz> well, XP is OK
[22:20:16] <Jacky^> Linspire seem to made nice laptop Linux-ready :P
[22:20:18] <anonimasu_> well, my � year old laptop is struggling to run xp.
[22:20:25] <robin_sz> and linux is nice too
[22:20:25] <Jacky^> also lightbook
[22:20:29] <anonimasu_> well it's just a 3.4.. :D
[22:20:44] <robin_sz> but Debian on it and watch it fly
[22:21:17] <anonimasu_> oh, why is that the universal solution?
[22:21:34] <anonimasu_> :D
[22:21:43] <Imperator_> les: are you arround ?
[22:21:48] <anonimasu_> it seems like mac's in general make you less frustrated..
[22:22:55] <anonimasu_> I am not buying one tomorrow though
[22:23:49] <Jacky^> yeah, aniway it's true
[22:24:09] <Jacky^> Mac now also have a competitive price
[22:24:15] <Jacky^> not bad
[22:24:23] <anonimasu_> price isnt really a issue..
[22:24:41] <anonimasu_> sanity is more important
[22:24:42] <anonimasu_> :D
[22:25:17] <Jacky^> i don't know what you need to do..
[22:25:31] <Jacky^> if you want to run 3d Cad, well ..
[22:25:37] <anonimasu_> yeah then you need a pc..
[22:25:56] <Jacky^> you need highest Video performance
[22:26:26] <Jacky^> i bought an Olidata last year
[22:26:33] <anonimasu_> the cad I will be doing is for work, work can pay for whatever I need to run the programs
[22:27:00] <Jacky^> Via 3C 1ghz 512 mb ram, 60 gb HD 10 "
[22:27:08] <Jacky^> 800 GR
[22:27:15] <anonimasu_> no clue how much $ that is?
[22:27:18] <Jacky^> 0,8 kg
[22:27:25] <anonimasu_> ah laptop
[22:27:25] <Jacky^> 800 euro
[22:27:31] <Jacky^> yeah, laptop
[22:27:37] <anonimasu_> cheap...
[22:28:00] <anonimasu_> my 1,0ghz was 3600eur when I bought it..
[22:28:01] <Jacky^> you are talking about WK ?
[22:28:22] <anonimasu_> horrid isnt it?
[22:28:32] <Jacky^> :)
[22:28:37] <Jacky^> nope..
[22:29:08] <Jacky^> must see how many years ago..
[22:29:20] <anonimasu_> yeah, it's way back
[22:29:26] <anonimasu_> almost 4 years :)
[22:29:31] <anonimasu_> I was still in school
[22:29:33] <Jacky^> hehe..
[22:29:35] <anonimasu_> I need to sleep
[22:29:36] <anonimasu_> goodnight
[22:29:41] <Jacky^> night anonimasu_
[22:30:35] <robin_sz> http://www.area51newmexico.com/disturbing_universe/funny/sport_knee.gif
[22:30:37] <robin_sz> ouch
[22:36:25] <Jacky^> 710 mb of updates on Debian :\ sigh ..
[22:37:10] <robin_sz> weird .. I get 0
[22:37:22] <Jacky^> :(����
[22:37:33] <robin_sz> ah, wait, i have mine on 6 hourly pathches
[22:37:49] <Jacky^> i will finish tomorrow ..
[22:37:53] <robin_sz> tracking sarge?
[22:38:04] <Jacky^> sid
[22:38:13] <robin_sz> 'k
[22:41:46] <Jacky^> adsl seem go to trot .. 156 kB/s :)
[22:43:59] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ intercrosses the fingers of the foots
[22:44:29] <Jacky^> those of hands are busy..
[23:21:10] <robin_sz> fsck, I despair of some projects ...
[23:21:36] <robin_sz> looking at Mambo ... trying to figure out what "sections" and "categories" are ...
[23:21:45] <robin_sz> Category Manager -Click this icon to access the Category Manager. You will be able to edit your Categories.
[23:22:04] <robin_sz> how very useful that was as a help file.
[23:22:24] <Jacky^> :-)
[23:27:05] <Jacky^> i'm trying to get Wine + some windowze apps run but cpu seem stalled in a loop
[23:34:51] <robin_sz> ick
[23:35:12] <robin_sz> for Windows apps, I find Windows XP works just fine
[23:35:27] <Jacky^> hehe..
[23:35:35] <robin_sz> take my advice
[23:35:39] <Jacky^> i agree with you, but
[23:35:52] <robin_sz> dont install wine ... its a wate of space on linux
[23:36:04] <Jacky^> i would like try run something under Linux
[23:36:25] <Jacky^> i'm trying to copy the registry file
[23:36:42] <Jacky^> and also the windows dir, in Linux
[23:36:44] <robin_sz> you have too much time on your hands
[23:36:52] <Jacky^> should be work, I hope..
[23:36:59] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:37:02] <Jacky^> :D
[23:37:09] <Jacky^> not too much :\
[23:37:44] <Jacky^> my laptop have a too small monitor 10 ", to work with a Cad
[23:38:12] <Jacky^> second, my girlfriend every evening sing on Paltalk messenger :\
[23:38:45] <Jacky^> so, i will try all to get it work..
[23:41:17] <robin_sz> she sings?
[23:41:28] <Jacky^> yeah, very well
[23:41:41] <robin_sz> my wife has also started singing, in a choir
[23:41:41] <Jacky^> not a Vip eh ? :P
[23:41:58] <robin_sz> but so far, I have not had chance to hear her.
[23:42:21] <Jacky^> he live in naples, naples is the land of many singer, actors.. and avrious artist..
[23:42:33] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods ...
[23:42:48] <Jacky^> they born with the right inspiration there
[23:42:55] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[23:43:06] <Jacky^> maybe the Vesuvio vulcan :P
[23:43:18] <Jacky^> or the Gulf of Naples hehe
[23:43:20] <robin_sz> perhaps one day, I shall make the time to go to a concert when my wife sings ...
[23:43:39] <Jacky^> ugh ! bad thing..
[23:43:52] <Jacky^> you should always go..
[23:44:08] <robin_sz> well, she has only been in the choir for 20 years, so you can see how I have not had chance yet
[23:45:00] <Jacky^> wow, nice, 20 years ! will be very good
[23:45:18] <robin_sz> well, maybe
[23:45:27] <Jacky^> sure
[23:45:31] <robin_sz> somehow I am always busy on concert night
[23:45:46] <robin_sz> with very important tasks
[23:45:54] <robin_sz> work ..
[23:45:58] <robin_sz> washing hair ..
[23:46:08] <Jacky^> ah..
[23:46:25] <Jacky^> beutiful
[23:46:58] <robin_sz> my 5yr old son has his first concert next week, that i will go to.
[23:47:16] <Jacky^> he also sing ?
[23:47:16] <robin_sz> junior choir
[23:47:22] <Jacky^> nice
[23:47:45] <robin_sz> we will see ...
[23:47:51] <Jacky^> :-)
[23:48:19] <Jacky^> the passion always win at the end
[23:48:42] <Jacky^> sure, need to hard work
[23:48:46] <robin_sz> when my wife sings ... milk turns bad, the cat leaves the house and plants die.
[23:49:14] <Jacky^> mmhh.. i believe you
[23:49:24] <Jacky^> i'ts the life
[23:49:47] <Jacky^> too many thing at the same time
[23:50:09] <Jacky^> but sometimes is not possible to leave
[23:50:26] <Jacky^> too strong passions
[23:51:26] <robin_sz> well yeah
[23:51:34] <Jacky^> after I lost my first wife.. i understand that the secret of life is the tolerance ;)
[23:51:34] <robin_sz> too much work ..
[23:51:41] <Jacky^> yeah
[23:51:42] <robin_sz> hmmm
[23:51:53] <robin_sz> impotant are children
[23:51:57] <robin_sz> and motorbikes :)
[23:52:04] <Jacky^> first thing
[23:52:07] <Jacky^> hehehe
[23:52:10] <Jacky^> lool
[23:52:10] <robin_sz> the rest can wait
[23:52:16] <Jacky^> :)
[23:52:19] <robin_sz> oh and planes
[23:52:25] <robin_sz> and boats ..
[23:53:56] <Jacky^> ehh.. I know
[23:54:13] <Jacky^> we are only of meteors to this world