4000 kw co2
wow .. trumpf probably
could be very fast ...
20m a minute 30m ...
robin_sz: on this page: http://www.cuttingedgecnc.com/movies.htm
scroll the page at end
it's the only video of laser cutter i found
windows only sadly ...
but I can guess what it does
mine isnt quite that quick
it's very fast cutter machine
that are monsters, not machine ..
you need to be sure not to stand inthe way when it moves
i was thinking , in the next future, is someone will invent a colt laser with the same power... will be terrible :\
you dont hink thye have already?
the problem will be the ps :)
youve seen the tanks fitted with lasers?
only in the videogames
they carry around 4 tonnes of fuel, and burn it up in around 20 shots
they can melt a tank, or several people at a great distance ...
[00:11:10] <robin_sz> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/photos/lasers/1600W_CO2_laser_head.jpg
never seen things like this :\
doesnt everyone have one of these?
i was thinking a little machine ..
[00:14:24] <robin_sz> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/photos/lasers/25kw_RF_power_source.jpg
a small power supply fo it ;)
the 7KV txfmr is bottom left.
it seem to me a nuclear station, not a power supply
now .... when the laser beam hits someting .. thats nuclear :)
even seen a glass window just melt?
strangley, you do not need any license to won one or use one
won? .. own.
i've not idea about wath you're talking
to own a laser
or to use a laser
you do not need to have a permit
mmhhh .. no
anyone can have one ... no permit
it sound to me as very dangerous..
wait until I fit my automatic plane tracking radar :)
you can shot the moon :\
or the neighbours fog
zap .. no more dog.
robin_sz: wich country ?
this rule is valid for all the world ?
as far as I know
i posted the link of hecktor.ch in a roboitalia forum , they all are surprised :)
no such domain
hecktor.ch not exist
[00:28:46] <jacky^> http://www.hektor.ch
seem there are not many information about the sw they're using
maybe they want to get patents on their project..
been done before
no it has ...
not with wires like that though
but a long carriage
[00:40:22] <robin_sz> http://www.pixation.com/
so, it's not a big idea at the end..
robin_sz: how many time this machine exist ?
you know ?
* anonimasu is going berzerk soon
The fucking plc manufacturer cant reproduce the damn bug.
* anonimasu sigls
they will pay.
i agree with you
the thing is that I've been away today, and they dropped a mail saying they cant reproduce the problem
tomorrow and sunday they don't work i suppose..
so try again tueday
robin_sz: that's way too late.
robin_sz: it should have been fixed last week...
it might be fixed in 2 weeks then
oh, in 2 weeks my customers will kill me.
woprk around it
use different PLC
robin_sz: the trouble is that the plc's I have are the ones I should have
robin_sz: battery backup is not a option..
theese ones have flash for the program and sram with a cap to keep the power to the memory..
the battery backup ones store the program in battery backed up memory
robin_sz: and that is not a good thing since batteries wear out
does the cap lose charge too quickly?
so .. whats the problem?
they do loose the contrnets of the sram
ie all machine parameters
that means a 300km trip for me
and trouble for the customers, since they lose the parameters they've set/adjsted
the problem got better with a capacitor and a diode on the cpu module power.
although the problem should _NEVER_ occur at all.
shold be written to flash
reloaded on PLC start
hm, no the sram should be left, in place..
the flash is for the program memory..
but you dont have sram
8kb sram with backup
768kb of sram without backup
ie runtime allocated memory..
the parameters are always changing?
night guys, see you tomorrow
yes some of them
so flash is not good for them
exactly, although the flash would probably hold up..
the values/flow limits isnt changing
100K writes ...
the non user accessible ones
maybe more I dont know what kind of memory they use
even the user -settable ones could be in flash
its only things like postion that need to be in sram
but that requires writing to flash..
code cannot write to flash?
code can write to flash.. although the sram is way better.
besides when do you write/read from flash..
it adds a load of mess..
right .. bedtime
SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
SWP_Away, how do I setup a PWM on an atmel 90s2313? Say I want TTL in, giving it a duty cycle ( a word, or a doubel word), and it outputs the cycle accordingly. so $0000 would be 0%, while $ffff would be 100%.
Jymmm, that's X/(256^2)
I didn't know a 2313 could do that.
it can, but not natively... requires for bitgolf math
there's only so much room available now.
what do you mean?
there's a ton of room on an at90s2313
isn't 2313 4K
2k, 128bytes ram.
this should only be like a 15line app.
where is rayh when I need him.... anyone know much about tcl and the mini.tcl display under emc2?
I am trying to figure out why the axis display is not rendered in the right size font...
all the hard core guys are on the way to the cncfest .... should be fun
good night all
A-L-P-H-A scared me when he said boo
and on that note... G'Night Folks!
Imagine this: trying to make 2", 4096-count encoders wheels...
On a rotary table and vertical mill
Do the math...you'll laugh just as hard as I did
4096 count... 8192 bands of 0/1. 4096 triggers = 8192 bands.
so need to have a resolution of at least 8192 steps to make it happen.
12.566370614359172953850573533118 " on the OD edge.
Actually, it would be 2*pi
ratio of C to D, right?
7.6699039394282061485904379474597e-4" spacing for each band. That is if each band is equally spaced.
R to D.
btw, that's pretty small.
No, circumfirence to diameter
I was referring to 2R = 1D
0.087890625 degrees between centers for each band.
And an impossibly small feature size
asdfqwega: why are you trying to make such fancy encoders?
heh didn't you just leave
fenn: actually, it's something someone wants me to make
sounds like a photo-etching project to me
fenn: but not inexpensively!
your rotary table probably wouldn't have been accurate enough anyway, even if you could engrave the lines
Or... if you're able... make it so that it's double sided.
you can enhance the resolution that way. But it's probably just better off going on ebay to buy a $20 encoder.
[08:36:10] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26261&item=5589353153&rd=1
<-- 7406 lines of resolution
* asdfqwega hopes Phydbleep is paying attention to that link
how's things going?
I actually don't know.
it's my birthday, and I don't have any emotions right now.
it's more ... _I'm hungry_
that's pretty common
going to do any machining today?
[08:49:47] <Phydbleep> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=97184&item=7523095418&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
yeah, hunger. I get hungry every day... that's when I know it's time to eat
asdfqwega: Yeah, I was paying attention to the link..
hey, that isn't bad.
why? anonimasu, were you gonna make if for Phydbleep?
A-L-P-H-A: Try 'horny' occaisionally.. It's really fun. :)
oh, I have interfaces like that ;)
anonimasu, I don't think I'm gonna machine anything today
* Phydbleep is waiting for 21:00 GMT..
going to buy it?
Phydbleep. horny is what broke up my last relationship. she got tired of multiples... and felt that the relationship was just physical.
Today is the last Dr. Who of the new season. :\
Phydbleep. yes. yes it is.
but there will be a christmas special!
second season will start, and a 3rd season is announced as well
And seasons 2/3 are confirmed. :)
bravo. type that after i've already annouced that.
good summary! :)
Too bad.. CE has been doing a ripping job as the Dr. :)
in 3weeks time, Stargate Atlantis, and SG-1 will be back!
cE is whome?
I thought Ce was another show, doing a rip off of Dr. Who.
And I don't care how badly I mangled the spelling..
* Phydbleep is suffering from 'plumbers hangover'..
Phydbleep: inhalation of too much lead solder?
Dont you just hate it when you've got optical spots from running a torch and cant see directly in front of you?
I haven't had that problem since I bought a auto-darkening welding shield
my auto darkening welding shield is BUST!
I'm like wtf.
Propane torch.. no O2 feed so there's not enough light to trigger mine.
check the batteries
wtf is mykow/
A-L-P-H-A: There's still a set of batteries and a switch if it's a harbor fright unit.
[09:02:03] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46092
<-- it's this helmet
I'll tinker at it, to see
wow. I just cleared up 20 gigs of space!
horray for DVD backups!
A-L-P-H-A: Yeah, Look for a rectangular battery door on the inside.. Mine like that takes a pair of AAA's as well.
I need some freak'n food
I invented eating, you know
Single-handedly wiped out starvation
I've got some italian suasages... I'll grill them, and have them on a bun.
John Cleese on our 'new' goverment... http://www.rense.com/general66/unit.htm
with some pickled cabbage.
* Phydbleep is glad that A-L-P-H-A is well downwind..
that is a funny funny read.
Yeah, I'd give your left-nut to hear him read it..
You know that has to land somewhere between 'dead parrot' and the Latin lesson from 'Life of Brian'.. :)
You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game.
I love the last 2 sentences
I like 10-12 and 14... :)
14 You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.
At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables.
hm, metric is best
hi A-L-P-H-A ,anonimasu_ , Phydbleep :)
...and monkeys will fly out of my butt.
* Phydbleep Fed-Ex's asdfqwega a bag of Monkey-Chow..
asdfqwega: You'll need to feed them till then. :)
Hi jacky^ :)
hey Phydbleep :D
asdfqwega: And just where do you buy 'Rectal Dwelling Flying Monkees"?
The same pet store you get the pigs that fly of La Guardia in tight formation :)
quick, EVERYONE RUN!
* Phydbleep remembers a line from a bad comedy bit...
alex_joni: We aint.. Got any more loco-weed?
just mowed some
A-L-P-H-A is now known as A-L-P-H-A_happy_
A-L-P-H-A_happy_ is now known as A-L-P-H-A
My bday today!
A-L-P-H-A: getting old eh?
A-L-P-H-A: Well, "Crappy Birthday!" is you're going to bitch about it.
going clubbing with a bunch of friends! :D
could of girls, and some good friends. Always a good time.
A-L-P-H-A: that's a bit old;)
A-L-P-H-A: So how many baby seals did you get?
sun just got out
* alex_joni can't see no more
Phydbleep... :) it's not season... gotta wait till winter.
need the nice white coats.
and gotta wash the damn pups right afterwards, so theydon't stain themselves.
unless you get them on the head, and then hang them upside down.
it's blue skys here, but everything is still dark.
the world must have just stopped rotating.
I'm outside with my laptop
and it was pretty ok, a bit cloudy
now I'm getting roasted in the bright sun
Ah.. It's 09:30 there?
[12:36] <Phydbleep> Ah.. It's 09:30 there?
Phydbleep: what's wrong with you?
who wakes up at 09:30 on a saturday?
on a FREE saturday
[03:45] alex_joni Phydbleep: what's wrong with you?
ok.. argument taken ;)
^^ ^^ That's what's wrong with me..
alex_joni: wuss, i got up today at 0:30
* Phydbleep has been running on ~5.5 hours/day of sleep for over a year..
what's your secret?
fenn: I'm really short on 'beauty sleep'?
alex_joni: I did
brb, need to go to the pharmacy
And now for something completely different.. A man who knows how to play with his balls in public...
[10:15:56] <Phydbleep> http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/oa/*http://uk.download.yahoo.com/pr/fu/oa/pianowithballs.wmv
now there's no more sun
but it starts to rain :((
* alex_joni needs a scanner
fast, good, and ok for books & dias
do you wanna do OCR to it afterwards?
5 megapixel is enough res for ocr.
(distortion from a non-smooshed book will mess up the OCR sometimes)
but I don't want camera
I need a scanner
maybe with a film adapter
Box, glass top, camera pointed up.. scrap an old copier chassis if you want to get fancy.
hmm phydbleep may be on to something
alex_joni: The camera is 5x faster than the scanner. :)
plus you get a camera
And all the guts from the copier. :)
now you just gotta figure out how to CNC it for lights-out operation, and you're set!
nah.. don't like it ;)
If you want it automated you want a page-turner and camera..
not enough light on the camera
that piano with balls was COOL.
aj, spot lights!
just get yourself a scanner.
I told you he knew how to play with his balls in public...
in the americas it's like $40 for a decent one.
* Phydbleep has 2 flatbed scanners and they're a PITA..
I far prefer just grabbing the wifes kodak DC3(something) and shooting the pages.
[10:31:59] <alex_joni> http://www.logos.com/features/bookscanner
alex_joni: That's > $10K
Here's an <$50 scanner. :\ http://www.liquidationetc.com/21/15122.htm?346
I hate those damn things.
" its 10-megapixel digital camera snaps photos at 600 dots per inch"
still fighting PLC's ?
I'll call my dealer at monday and tell them I am very very pissed off at how this has been handled.
[10:41:45] <Phydbleep> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=97184&item=7523095418&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
$10 Zoid display head.
Phydbleep: do you have the PLC+
alex_joni: going to go out and machine the mounts for the die grinder and some parts for work
then onto the robot
I hope not.. It sounds like something i'd need to see the doctor about.
I'm relaxing in the wild
I havent had a customer call today
got my laptop & my EVDO connection
either the machine is running or they've given up
both should work for you :)
alex_joni: And a 100m extension cord?
alex_joni: oh, I hope it's running
Phydbleep: what for?
Fido: wireless baby
alex_joni: Spare batteries?
nah.. but 4h should be enough
alex_joni: dont you have power over there?
*throws alex the car-charger
not in the back yard
inside I do..
but it's nice outside
well, I'll be back later
alex_joni: Ive got 22V/30A in the backyard.
anonimasu_ is now known as ano|gone
Phydbleep: I do have an 220V/3A solar cell
Woohoo! Babe in bondage. :)
but. that's not nice to carry around
heh one of those pictures is from my school
* alex_joni sees fenn
front row in the middle
* Phydbleep goes blind..
Migrane... Torch + fumes + flux on skin + lack of sleep..
And I can sense the frikken seismic stresses are building again and It'll be another hour before I can get to sleep..
Expect another >6.0 quake somewhere between Guatamala and Chile in the next 12 hours.. :(
i need a sign like this: http://www.goodlaughter.com/funnypictures/pics/onlyinaustralia.jpg
"If there's a HUGE FSCK-UP, Call Todd" ROFL!
* alex_joni will be back later
today's catch, fresh from the dumpster: http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/camera/DCP_0360.JPG
considering that everything i could have wanted was there, it wasn't a bad deal (1 hour to go get it, take it home, wash it off)
I think I found a servo set on ebay that will work for the paint robot I am making
3 brushless servos/encoders....3 amps...100 bucks or so?
Did a quick inertia match test on motioneering....looks ok
24 inch move from stopped in about 0.4 sec
how much does your robot weigh les?
robin_sz: yeah :)
les has a 'bot?
looks like he's buying parts on ebay
he did mention getting an cient puma or someting a while back
i am going to go gorge myself on avocados
a puma weighs in around 500lbs
this is a very light one to paint turkey calls
you found an old indutrial bot?
or making something?
just a simple rotation, radius, z
making (I think)
ah, making someting
I just can't stand the repitition of painting thousands of them
driving me nuts
and I cannot find a spray painter here
so I'm it
so....put the calls in drying trays....robot picks em up, puts em on turntable
2 second spray...
robot pickes em up?
then it pickes it up and puts back on tray
sounds like an ideal use for a vacuum cup
the calls have a through hole in the middle
so no problem
3 jaw gripper then
I am just going nuts here
I make a very poor production worker
can't do repetitive tasks
with 10,000 calls that is 40,000 pick place and spray operations
I don't want to do that
I could hire a pick/place guy
but it is pretty simple to automate
robot tubular thomson shaft?
say 24 inch arm 1.5 diameter?
id conver them ;)
I did a run in motioneering
0.4 sec for 24" move
frames of twenty on a long conveyor line :)
see, heres the problem
well I figure the drying rack idea would be simple
how many calls on a tray
let's see...20 or 30 yeah hex close packed
paint cycle time?
* anonimasu yawns
* anonimasu is waiting for the mill to get done
I am going to mill my bearing mounts for the robot :)
2 seconds to paint...um...let's say 5-10 sec total...that's conservative
so max 5 min/tray?
so every 200 seconds or so .. you need to change trays
whatever, yeah 5 mins
5 minutes is nto long enough for you to go and do something else
so there you stand .. loading trays
sander could do that in addition to sanding work
do he get to pick the snading dust out of the finish afterwards too?
the question is at what level does autoloading become profitable..
do you have enough stuff in queue, for the sander to be busy with it?
sand 4 calls...change tray...sand 4 calls... etc
does not have to be synchronous
brb changing part..
robot can wait till sander finishes a part right?
wont hte sanding guy be dusty?
labor is cheap?
I compare that to just having another worker loading trays....
labor is cheap pbut logistical problems with part time
i was just considering whether the robot pick and place was economic
can't just snap my fingers and have a worker there
I doubt that it is if a $10 worker is available
or whether a automted spray system where a worker puts a fres part on a acrousel and lifts off a sprayed art would work ...
I guess it's always economical to hire less people in most cases
* robin_sz cant type today
usually, yes, unless its a very low skill job
super low skill job
workers cost, and they whine..
anything with a skill level is usually best automted
but since the trays have to be loaded, and then moved and then ...
and they have sickdays ;)
robots does not complain..
I just wonder if a manual load process onto a painting carousel ...
I should make the turntable / spray heads/ plc first
rotates 1 part every 5 seconds
start with manual pick/ place
I doubt the automated pick/place will save any time
as the trays have to be loaded by hand in the first place
hm, just less labour
now if I could get more small part powder/ painting work...
keep a batch of trays loaded and let the sander sand..
no it will not save that much time
might as well just pick em off the drying racks ..
onto a carousel .. throught he pain booth, back to the rack
any option on IR blasting them to speed up drying?
again...if I have a worker there when production is going...
see that is a real logistical problem out here in the woods
* anonimasu nods
that is the only real reason to consider automation
and it is a real problem
* anonimasu ndos
that sounds reasonable
maybe a auto tray changer ... 20 trays in a stack, 600 calls ...
this is "just in time stuff"
leave it on overnight doing multi-coats :)
for a worker I must hold inventories
yeah with laquer it is good to spray when previous coat is tacky
so one tray might be on for several coats
it would also be possible to booth the whole process, leaving just a slot for trays in/out .. with an air blast to keep dust out
and keeping fumes out of the factory
well it is in a booth for sure
but only needs to be small...no worker inside
* anonimasu kicks the PSU
damn I need a fan on it..
cost of heating a big booth in winter is $$$
and hell, if it does need a worker inside .. he'd die from fumes anyway
robin_sz: good point
so that narrows it down to mexicans I guess ;)
and that worker is me because I cannot find a spray painter
if you are really cute, you can automate a swap over to thinners to auto-clean the heads too
well for sure I will start with the carousel thing first
how hard would it be to control a robot with emc?
can you do the kinematics?
and let it take care of the x/y/z positioning?
it could be done...but I have this 8 axis kmotion board just sitting here
probably the same as controlling a mill with emc ;)
les: what did you tihnk of the G200X gui?
I started building a robot yesterday 0.5 or 4dm of reach
the kmotion does g-code...but it is not to the level of a cnc control
I am going to talk to them about that though
hm ok too bad :/
I'd love to engrave with a small robot
or drill odd holes..
have to talk to another cnc vendor too...
les: what did you tihnk of the G200X gui?
I here he is making a trip to Shanghai....
the gui looked ok
So...I may be scooped on the china thing for US market....
well, that was just timing dood.
but what can I do? I don't have a product...
So I figure I ought to talk to this guy....
If he brings em in with mach II it will be a disaster
* anonimasu nods
well, you know what I would do already, we did this to death 3 months ago
well the company glentek I was working with....
just went out of business!!!!
you know warthog routers...
anyway here is the guy heading over there....
[13:20:18] <les> http://www.tormach.com/
hm I looked at their toolchangers earlier
hm, another part running.
It's just one guy
but I hear he is planning on spending time in Shanhai...
well, five avocados later.. there goes my motivation for the day
oh ,, HIM
hes a bit of a twat actually.
he re-sells the gecko rip offs
I hear he's a Prick
exchanged a few emails with him .. id agree with that sentiment
where are the gecko rips coming from?
its a version 3 rip off, quite old, but exact copy of the board, they got some components wrong though
so ot doesnt perform
they whistle like a kettle :)
[13:30:02] <robin_sz> http://www.protobyte.com/
You know, in business decisions I think I nit pick and over analyze too much instead of just acting....
and .. miss the boat
which I believe just set sail for Shanghai :)
well, i like the guy's philosophy, even if he sells ripoffs
heh...so this protobyte makea accusations on their site about breach of contract with???
not seen any accusations on their site
they have no contract with gecko ..
[13:33:43] <les> http://www.protobyte.com/company.htm
they just bought a drive and copied it
Aw I should have someone else making stategic business decisions for me...I should stay in the lab fetting over microns as usual
...will be with this r&d contract....PO is here on my desk...
AFAIK, they just ripped a gecko off and have no ther involvement with Gecko ...
$20k to write a book report...heh
mariss stripped the components and overlayed it .. they are identical
well, a few changed areas
b you tthe blk overleays pad-for-pad
but the bulk
so this greg jackson guy....could you give me a brief synopsis of his character?
I already did ;)
ok a twat. Does he have technical skills?
basically, i took issue with him when he spammed a list, offering these drives ...
that's pretty low
he didn;t see anyting wrong with it .. (either spamming or selling rip offs)
I hope it wasn't the gecko list
I forget which list ..
anyway .. I suggested (on list) that people didn;t buy his toolholders ...
then he got REAL pissed :)
what goes around comes around huh?
i dont get it.. the "tordrive-2000" is $125 but a G201 is $114?
why would anyone buy the ripoff?
fenn: because it's a 2k ;)
fenn: btw.. "Under construction for the next week or so... 5/31/05 -- fenn"
it's a month soon
time flies when you're having fun :)
well, i dont really know what else to do to that wiki
hmm.. maybe I was more used to the old layout
can't seem to find stuff now
should be still there I think
well, its got a search bar at least
compiling emc2 is a mess
HowToTryEmc2 is actually compiling emc2
and BDI4 is not EMC2
i can't rename any of the pages.. that's why i'm making a new wiki
would have been probably best to start like that all along
yeah, i didn't think of it until i was up to my knees in bs
[13:54:47] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/wiki
i can change linuxcnc.org back to original if you want
well, no, actually i dont want to do that
where'd the misconception come from that bdi-4 was emc2?
[13:58:29] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?CompilingEMC2
yeah but i put it there because i thought bdi-4 was emc2
and so did a lot of other people
yes.. and having things like this in the wiki doesn't really help in that direction
BUT the "recommended procedure" is to compile the CVS on the BDI if you want to run EMC2
not true either
the recommended procedure is to get emc2 off CVS and compile it on ANY RTAI or RTLINUX patched kernel
BDI is only RTAI
so that's pretty restrictive in that direction
I did run emc2 on SuSE, deb, BDI, etc.
patched with RTAI mostly
but cradek runs it on RTLINUX
didn't know it worked with RTLINUX..
so it shouldn't matter
emc from the BDI doesn't
btw did my last email make sense
can't recall ;)
heh.. it was the second one about a new improved message layer, the spindle speed example
and re-writing the rest of emc2 etc
fenn: are you aware of the amount of code that needs to be changed?
i've spent the last month doing nothing but reading and breathing emc documentation
and i think it all needs to go
oh i'll steal the algorithms, dont worry
ano|gone is now known as anonimasu_
fenn: good luck.
fenn: what is wrong with NML?
fenn: I'm doing this for more than a year now
fenn: it's not about algorithms
it's about sheer size of the task
it's about the sheer ammount of code that depends on other code
about 50000 lines of code to change
that's cause it's over-complicated
maybe more if you want to exchange NML with smthg else
emc isn't 50000 lines worth of complexity
right.. but you still need to touch it, even if it's removing
it's far more worth
fenn: are you sure about that?
build one for <50000 and I'll agree
but remember to have ALL the emc functionality
fenn: why do you want nml to go?
alex_joni: write me a feature list
anonimasu: nml seems to be the scapegoat for crappy coding practices in general
fenn: that is not nml's fault it's the messaging layer implementation.
ie, the switch statement
[14:12:32] <alex_joni> http://work.depenet.com/odd/lol.htm
anonimasu: did you read my email?
fenn: yes I did.
but I cant remember it
fenn: want a feature list?
well, basically the NML dialect hard-codes a lot of things like the fact that the machine has a spindle
alex_joni: an exhaustive one
fenn: that's dialect
not NML but NML implementation in EMC
fenn: nml just relays the messages..
no cms relays the messages, i think
1. stepping (14-15 stepping types), get those from HAL
2. servo (STG, motenc, etc)
i will keep hal
3. 6 axes, hexapods, kinematics
fenn: are you going to write your own emc?
anonimasu: looks like it :/
4. linear & rotary axis
5. PID with FFx
6. RS274-D GCODE interp
fenn: I honestly think that's a stupid idea.
7. speed settings /axis
8. 3-4 GUI's (tkemc, mini, AXIS, emcpanel, keystick, xemc, etc)
10. RTAI & RTLINUX compatible
11. ini-file configuration
12. remote connection between components (GUI on doze & the like)
13. external ESTOP support
14. Homing, limit switches
15. support for all milling related tasks (spindle, coolant, flood, lube)
fenn: are you hellbent on replacing nml?, or is it possible to revise the codebase, to _FIX_ the mess.
15.1. 15 should get replaceable for another machine (say laser)
16. ferror and min_ferror support
17. ini-based addresses for hardware
19. jogging (absolute, incremental, relative, continous)
20. mm / inch selectable
21. backplot support
22. backlash support
23. motor direction should be ini-adjustable
24. more than one trajectory model (speed vs. exact path)
25. stop/resume g-code programs
26. MDI mode support
i thought you were giving a feature list for EMC.. but a requested feature list is good too
27. 20 kHz stepping at least
there is only one not very ok in emc right now, that's 24
the rest is there
28. custom M codes based on executables/scripts found on startup
I could go on for another half an hour.. but got bored ;)
well, it'll be a good summer project
fenn: did you read my question?
fenn: you know how much work is in emc already?
anonimasu_:never mind fixing the mess
anonimasu: fixing the mess is my goal
anonimasu_: that's currently beeing worked on
alex_joni: I know
fenn: emc has about 10 years of coding in it
fenn: so you are causing a split for that reason..
not a summer project
but if you think you can do it .. be my guest
anonimasu: i am concerned that EMC is too narrow in scope, and has been around so long that it's hard to change anything without breaking everything else
there's no way to make code flexible without re-writing it
this is a normal thing to do in software engineering
you don't do software engineering by yourself
fenn: you have no idea how much work/code emc consists of.
if you have a team that works on it.. maybe
well, most of the coders here have invested so much energy into learning how EMC1 works that they don't want to throw all that effort away
define coders here
fenn: mind explaining "flexible"
fenn: are you talking about plugging in other applications to interface it?
fenn: or are you talking hardware?
fenn: or functionality?
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
anonimasu: i'm talking about changing the way it works easily
will you explain more.. I dont get what you mean by that..
oooohhh - juicy conversation ;)
SWPadnosp: I am trying to get a grip..
emc doesn't directly support grippers
SWPadnos: emc doesn't currently support grippers
but a suitable HAL module could be written :)
or gripers, for that matter
anonimasu: i want it to be more modular in all respects
anonimasu: you don't need the rest of EMC to run HAL
fenn has a point - it is customary to rewrite code to make it generic (it usually takes 3 revisions)
it's not fun to do, though
that's the kind of independence all of the parts should have
the interp. can be run separately
now I wonder what good it would be to run the GUI on it's own
so you dont have to have an rtai kernel to test out the gui?
GUI runs on doze
if you like
afaik you wont need rtai to run the gui
heck all EMC can be compiled on doze
I already have done that
the only problem is the step outputs
as doze is way too unreliable to pulse out decent steps
now show me DBUS on doze
show me on-the-fly message creation and routing in any NML derivative
* fenn doesnt have windows
* fenn lives in a basement :)
fenn: on the fly?
you mean defining a new message type.. for a new module on the fly?
wot's on the fly?
without restarting emc or recompiling?=
yeah.. you start a new chunk of object code with new parameters, tell it what the parameters, and it routes a message to that code
restarting, not that much of an issue
i mean i dont care if i have to restart it
say you add a new axis to the machine, axis Q
I havent looked too much at the switch stuff. but such functionality can be implemented
axis Q has a logarithmic output
no such kinematics exist
can you do the kinematics in nonrealtime?
kinematics are nonrealtime
otherwise we'd be screwed
but kinematics are not axis independent
they are machinedependent
if your machine has one axis it still needs kinematics
actually hacking togther a concept to show routing of messages like that would be pretty trivial
sigh.. i'm supposed to actually be getting something made today
instead of pointless nml arguments
hm, it seems like you just want your own split of emc...
fenn: go right ahead
the sources are in CVS
do your thing locally
fenn: stop complaining about how it is then, and make a own branch..
i will make a branch on the cvs
anonimasu_: not branch
branch is not ok
1. the number of branches is pretty big as it is
2. you can't delete a branch afterwards
3. you wouldn't benefit from branching as you would have to rip out all the code
4. added files to a branch would be visible in the HEAD
5. it would confuse users who know little about CVS
6. before you do such a thing you might want to get an ok on the dev list, or on sundays meeting
fenn, even if you can dynamically create message types, how does the system know those messages unless it's modified?
SWPadnos: it won't
only 2 parties need to know it
fenn: I see no point in arguing any further, beyond this, I was trying to get to a conclusion what was wrong and if it could be fixed.
sender and receiver
i wasnt going to bring it up until i was serious about it.. but paul kinda forced me to get all this out there
SWPadnos: the message structure is based on the code structure, which is dynamic
I see this as a waste of dev resources..
yes - so you have a new sender and a new receiver (and a new GUI and a new interpreter etc) - all parts of the system need to have some changes if a *really new* thing is added
SWPadnos: no, not at all
refactoring = throwing away everything but the 6 lines of logic in a program ;)
oh well, such a system with messages can be realized.
even with nml.
fenn, look at it this way - there are (at least) two stages to changing EMC to be more generic
SWPadnos: it's a small step from 7 to 70.000
step 1 is changing the modules so they have less (ideally no) interdependence
so things like an interpreter are easily interchangeable
step 2 is actually implementing functional changes
which is easier, since you now have a more modular system
yes first you refactor, then you implement new features
emc is pretty modular already, and the messaging layer is part of what makes it so
fenn: well, go ahead.
you can write a plant control program that directly controls hundreds of EMC machines on a shop floor
communicating via NML, running on whatever OS you want
and it will still be a pain in the ass to use
there are pieces that aren't able to be "snaped" in or out, but some work is being done in that direction
fenn: unfortunately I haven't seen any of your code, so I'm not able to say if you will succeed or not
(I personally dislike the fact that the task planner, trajectory planner, and interpreter end up in the same executable)
alex_joni: me either
it would be great to use loadable modules for that (DLL hell, as Ray loves to point out :) )
* anonimasu_ nods
I'd say the first thing is to look at the capabilities that are there
then look at how the tasks are split between the parts of EMC
then look at how you want them split
I'd say the first thing is to add missing crucial capabilities
like an better TP
I HATE MY FUCKING BANK!
well - making it work is #1, but for fenn, making it "better" is a driver
that's the first major step in accomplishing anything
I'm gonna switch my bank.
A-L-P-H-A, tell us how you really feel
I so fuck'n hate them.
* anonimasu_ pats A-L-P-H-A on the back
they have that big tower in the middle of town, right?
A-L-P-H-A: go in there with a machine gun and politely request that they do whatever it is
* alex_joni thinks fenn might be affected by videogames
nobody move! i want free checking!
[14:55:10] <anonimasu_> http://mindprod.com/jgloss/unmaincamouflage.html
How to Hide Forbidden Globals
maybe some childhood marks :)
They send me a package, it states i have 10 days to till it out from the date it was printed. I have 2 day to gather it all, and mail it, and shit. Fuck'n impossible. So they mail me out another package, and say ignore the dates, just do it in 30 days.
So I do. Then they tell me, oh, you're missing some forms. WTF couldn't you, the bank, send me all the fuck'n forms. Now they say they want a letter from someone outside my family to state my source of income, and how I'm supporting myself.
if my bank did that I'd change.
my bank is sick..
I went there and said I wanted a better rate at my accounts..
WTF. They make me jump through so many fuck'n hoops, just to save as I calculated it... $135CDN for two months.
they told me that if I put 13000$ for 5 years there they could give a slightly better rate
okay, it's been nice having this little talk with all of you, but i'm going to build something now
fenn is now known as fenn_afk
anonimasu. I hoped you moved.
just all the money..
I am switching banks in right fuck'n away.
or well, I'll do it soon
I got so mad..
I got mad right now.
no way in hell I'd lock $13k there, for 5 years
$13K USD? or what?
then they wanted me to invest in funds/whatever they are called..
and I told them "NO WAY IN HELL"
not that I'd place 13k even if I had that much to place..
banks are here to screw you fuck'n over.
* anonimasu_ nods
tax office's also
I'm gonna go do it... I wrote this fuck'n letter, and just gonna get one of my friends to sign it. And done.
* alex_joni goes to grab some lunch
bah, still trying to wake up
it's much better to sleep
I think so too, but one of the parrots thinks otherwise and is MUCh louder =)
She wakes up WAY too early. Even the other parrots think so and grumble!
heh - have you seen the Pixar short "For The Birds"?
never heard of it (I dont think)
[15:13:03] <SWPadnos> http://www.pixar.com/shorts/ftb/
grumbling birds reminded me of it
I think it's included on the Toy Story DVD
SWPadnos... know anyone I could hire to take down an entire evil corperation? Such as a large multinational bank?
Puss In Boots
but don't tell him I sent you
wanted, a corperate assasin, that is able to take down a large multinational bank, and willing to do it on consignment. Payment will be a direct proportion of profits by selling their stocks short on the open market prior to planned destruction.
I should put that on metropolis. hahahaha
ask in #Corporate_Assassins
didn't miss much
I swapped things around in my system yesterday and musta changed something in the BIOS, my desktop isn't stable anymore.
SWPadnos, I wonder will there will be high traffic in #corporate_Assassins ?
not sure ;)
unstable desktop bites again!
Well, it seems to be the PCI bridge setting sin the BIOS
You know, why do they have so many settings but never really tell you what they are for?! lol
Yeah, I saw the full 'For The Birds' a ways back, funny stuff!
I liked it on whatever DVD it came on
This is pretty funny too http://www.pixar.com/shorts/gg/index.html
yep - I've seen that one too
Ah, I think the shrot is on Nemo
* Jymmm grabs the dvd
I think it's from before that - maybe "Toy Story" or "A Bug's Life"
yep - "Geri's Game" is on "A Bug's Life"
playing a dvd, if I go bye-bye, you know what just went bonkers (again)
and "For The Birds" is on "Monsters, Inc."
Well, the only pixar I have is nemo, so...
I should know it isn't on Toy Story - I don't think we have that one :)
maybe a bugs life
Have you seen the others?
not all of the ones listed...
I mean "A Bug's Life" and "Monsters, Inc"
oh, yeah =)
heh - and they say they're just for kids :)
And the Incrediables too
oh yeah - that was great
oh that's bullshit!
saw that one in the theater
We have Shrek 1 & 2, Ice Age, Nemo
it was funny - we were looking for a good movie, and the only one was "The Incredibles" - none of the live-action movies looked the least bit interesting
yep - same here (and no kids :D )
hmmm - I really should build another DVD / CD rack
we've overflowed the 3 DVD shelves in this one
My neighbot just uses the binders
He has like 200 DVD's
I had considered getting a Pioneer changer, but I think we now have too many for one of those (300)
we finally watched Shrek 2 last night - that was excellent
The sony can be chained together
I think you can chain two pioneers as well (and Sony has a 400-disc one, I think)
each holds 600
600 now - wow
for $300 too
does it do DVD-audio?
damn, a friend is goin on a boat trip today http://www.islaspalomino.com/
nice scenery ;)
Should be.... for Peru
Jymmm: i got those surplus bearings a while ago.
Jymmm: they were new old stock wrapped in oiled paper
Jymmm: they are coated in some really thick cosmoline
WD-40 works well on cosmoline :)
Jymmm: so I need to clean them out at work and repack some grease in them
the inners and outers are ground flush to each other, so I will have to work out a spacer arrangement
SWPadnos good to know
I cleaned ballscrews with WD-40 - worked like a charm
yep to WD-40
I got a cheap plastic tablecloth at a Dollar store, sprayed the ballecrews on it, and wrapped it up for a day
the cosmoline fell off the next morning :)
ah soaking helps. I'll remember that
I think it's the vapor for a day that really helps :)
I'll soak one of these bearings today then
gallon of wd40 is $10
got my mill going this last week
there's a really good grease to use as well - Mobilgrease 28
using EMC1 and DRO card. Using EMC as a glorified DRO right now
it's an aircraft grease - good for very wide tepmeratures
Until I get the servo amps out of mothballs
I have to build a 4' sq enclosure for my machine. =(
4' cube, you mean? :)
you're trying to sound proof it right?
SWPadnos correct =)
just get 3 sheets of plywood, stack them all up, and do a single cut in half
a long time ago, I used to do guitar repair in my apartment with a router ;)
I was hoping for 36" cubed
(or ask the guys at Home depot reqal nice, and they'll do it for you
SWPadnos you mean 5 pieces
you need 5, but you get 6 - I'm not sure if you're better off just getting the 4x4 plywood in the first place
dan_falck I got a shitload of carpet the other day for the soundproofing
it's probably a better deal
keep a fire extinguisher handy too : )
Well, I still need to build a box for the shopvac and maybe small compressor too. I'm almost thinking just building a cabinet on casters
dan_falck I got three =)
shop-vac cabinets don't do a lot of good
even with expensive "noise-suppression foam"
SWPadnos actually my router is louder than the vac
we had one as a fume extraction system at my old company - it cut down on the noise somewhat, but it really wasn't that great
get one of the dust collectors with cloth bags. They're quieter
this vac is a tad louder than a household vacuum
and we spent $hundreds on the material
you may be OK then
dan_falck my dust colector is a shopvac =)
SWPadnos plus wrapped in 3" of carpet, I think just might help =)
reinforce the insulation in the apartment.
like I want to hear it either?! =)
I used to play in bands. We set up rehearsal spaces with extra insulation all over the place
drums were always fun
they got extra baffles around them
These are VERY nice --> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=118230&catalogId=10001&classNum=156&subdeptNum=155&storeNum=8
My biggest issue right now is the 4' dimensions. It really screw up things in this room. 36" is fine, but that extra fowls up stuff and I have to think about rearranging everything in here and there's is a lot of file cabinets, or to just 'deal with it' somehow. I'd rather have somethign on wheels though. Kinda a 2x4 then just bolt two together.
I'll take the shopvac and the router out back and wrap the carpet around them to give me an idea on how thick I really need =)
how are things?
How's the weather up in Portland ?
rain, sun, rain, sun...
supposed to get lots more rain
Sounds just like Blighty
ditto in SFO area
used my mill for the first time in over a year this week
carved out a bit of space to work in
I'm using my Kulaga DRO card with an older BDI. Haven't hooked up servo amps yet.
EMC works as a nice DRO
steve_stallings: are you headed to the CNC workshop this week?
Yes, expect to be there Wednesday through Sunday
sounds like it should be a good time
thats on the old mazac right??
Dan, are you going to be there?
no, not enough money or vacation time this year
I wish I could be there
take lots of pictures and post them if you can
they should web cam it to a site
It's a killer for me, but Ray Henry has a way of twisting arms....
is Matt going too?
Yes, traveling with me.
well, I need to go work on the mill. Talk to you guys later.
dan_falck hasta and thansk for the info on the bearings!
[16:36:23] <dmess> http://www.uflyontario.com/
.. be well
lol... I just looked at that url, and I'm thinking Ontario California. Even the area code is close (909). lol
i started work on a carbon fiber mtg bike frame this am
but I see the pic and think "There's no water anywhere NEAR ONT"
we have a big lake named ontario..
they one you can't see across you mean?
even from the CN Tower
ah 52 miles i believe... so ya you cant see across it to see buffalo's fires burnin'
near st catherines you can see across on a good day..
oshawa is 34 miles across and it still a long way in a catameran.. on dec 15... man we were idiots...
dmess it was mostly a clear day when I was there and still couldn't see across it =)
not from toronto...
iv flown to 8000' and cant see across
well, I'm thinkin a mile high in the sky should make SOME difference there
and they call it a lake.... bullshit!
what is it then??
a mini sea
cause its not evern close to the biggest one...
still.... you can see across lakes, that aint no lake damnit!
Superior IS an inland sea to anyone who sails her
see, we need a new word between Lake and Sea
hey anu.. they amazed we call lake ontario a lake...
ever seen great slave lake... its LARGE
* anonimasu_ nods
I've never seen it since I am in sweden..
oh really.. now..
sorry i confused you with alpha for a moment..
anonimasu I'd slap him if I were you for that one!
* anonimasu_ slaps dmess under the rug
hmI almost scrapped another part
sorry.. i apologize and let me live forever with the pygmie in new guinea... amen
dmess: dont worry
not the flippin rug ... AGAIN...
dmess : No way, you now have to LIVE with A-L-P-H-A for a year!
I took a too heavy cut and the mill pulled the piece out of the vise
I am making a mount for the die grinder so I can engrave with it on the mill..
ahhh..insufficient clamping pressure...
vise + impact wrench == sufficient clamping pressure
I figured it's way better then my large spindle for engraving
oh I am afraid to break another vise
the other one broke in half
hey whats with the american cout system letin MJ off with yet ANOTHER kid under his drawers???
dmess That's HollyWood for ya
dmess: think of the poor celebrities!
or as I like to call em HollyWeird
Jymmm: I still havent gotten around to making any parts for the robot yet :)
but guys... another KID...
the justice system here is the same..
some one's needs to hurt that boy..
dmess did you hear that that kid's parents also tried pulling the same thing with another celebrity too?
they nail some pedophile and they get 5 years of jailtime..
yeah like that's enough..
they should have their balls cut off and then they should be chained inside some mine..
he wouldnt last 5 days in general population
no miners need BALLS
dmess: thoose miners does not deserve to keep them
but all the other miners would laugh and make fun of their funny sounding voises..
ive been in quite a few mines
they should be let free based on how much coal they produce ;)
well it you get the right burnin temperature .. the average human male could be reduced to about 1.2 lbs or 1/2 kg worth of ash/carbon mat'l...
* anonimasu_ nods
that's a good thought
worth about .45 us $$
use the liquid oxygen ignition system
Hrmm... The logic of locking MJ up with minors is um... err...
miners... not minors...
as in those who mine..
nah... Just send him to a plastics recycling centre
paul's got a HELuf an idea...
lets hear ya sing your way thru the chippers...
give a whole ney meanin' to " beat it"
ah. ah. ah. Stayin alive. ah. ah.
go with it paul... this is good mat'l
You to could own a piece of MJ when you by his Greatest Hits CD
Thanks to the Ca. recycling program.
Doing our bit to reduce waste.
and hereeeeees. Jonnie
Having a re-run of some crap 'mericun TC show here.
I just finished parsing my messages ;)
I'm wishing nice things to fenn ;)
* alex_joni is working on the wiki page
smthg like that
making some pages available again
* anonimasu_ nods
and removing some aberations
you might give me a hand ;)
for a bit :) going to leave for my friends place in a bit
I went home yesterday
I fell asleep while waiting for QT to compile, on the laptop
QT makes me sleepy too
it's easy :)
easy to fall asleep
either I take a shower and go there or I finish machining my part..
or I help you out and go back to machining my part
and then go there..
* alex_joni is on 33% battery
I'll go and finish my part then I'll leave and I'll help you out a bit :)
power went out..
there was a thunderstorm earlier here
* alex_joni is fading
* alex_joni is at 18%
might be another half an hour
you need to type slower - you're usig too much CPU
SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
sorry roflmaoff .. good stuff.. paul_c .... im peein' mineself.. ; )===
we had a plane with our nose gear come down this week with the gear still UP....
pilot forgot to push the buttons
a friend of mine flew in the canadian hang gliding championships last week.... 2 brand new never before flown wings...
1st went fine... good wing... set-up was clean... launch... trim flight.. and land...
2nd ... set-up seemed clean... but launch became a cluster...and he unhooked to fix a zipper on the wing... as the prior 2 launch potatoes ..launched...
he picked it up ...yelled clear &launch 2X... and ran... as the wing rose BUT he didnt
he crawled up over the basebar and flew it into the rolling hillside that was launch TODAY... not yesterdays 1200' cliff
had the whole horse up his ass.. not just the shoe..
dmess for the plane w/ no landing gear (now), you should charge a dumbass fee of 25%
Plus an extra $10 for laundry services.. I know I'd laugh so hard I might pee my pants. :)
losted in gcode :\
i'm tryng many cad and image-gcode converter, at the end they all seem use the same algorith.. same final result
its *hot* here today
robin_sz: also here
today was a "what the fsck was that laser doing last week" day ... I had a couple of problems I wanted to solve
so .. tell me ...
I have a win95 laptop
* alex_joni feels pitty
* cradek loans robin_sz his redhat9 CDs
ideally, I'd just want to run DOS
robin_sz: freedos works pretty well
* alex_joni hands robin some DOS 4.1 install disks
but W95 will reboot into DOS mode
even before->Hit F5 at startup
cradek: been there, tried that, wasted a weekend
robin_sz: I run autocad on freedos...
F8 not F5
but .. how can I make it just always boot into DOS?
robin_sz: you can make dos the default boot selection by editing ... some file or other
cradek: that much I figured
robin_sz: ask google
the trick is to know which file
robin_sz: I've done that, but it was long ago
look for the "SELL = " line.
so its hot here tonight
first nice evening of the year
and some twat has decided to mow his field with a bloody great big tractor ...
robin_sz: rename the windows folder ;)
* robin_sz goes to find the tungsten tipped bullets and HEAT rounds
Options in MSDOS.SYS
This command will boot into your OLD DOS without loading Windows 95.
Boots DOS 7.0 instead of Windows 95.
[21:03:49] <cradek> http://www.americatoday.com/hanar/dosb.htm
ooh nicey :)
thats just right
and it was F4
the laser monitoring porogram is DOS based
I did do a freedos box for it ... but it would not run
with F4 it simply boots to dos, doesn't open that menu
robin_sz: short question
is there a way of restoring the wiki to a previous state?
view other revisions ... (choose a revision) .. edit revision <number> ... save
was thinking for the whole wiki ;)
but then again.. I see a lot of people have commited some docs.. wouldn't befair to erase that too
for any particular reason?
we have nightly backup of the whole server ...
we can rol anything back to anytime day if we have to ...
cradek: fenn kinda mixed it up
* alex_joni is going through the pages now
alex_joni: I must admit it did seem a bit ... ummm .. random
it was pretty mixed up, emc with emc2 with BDI
and some bits apply to emc1 and emc2
and.. we already have confused users..
having the wiki messed up only adds problems
well, anyway ... I handed over the keys to that paerticular kingdom to Steve Stallings ...
if he gave the admn password to fenn, thats his lookout
what would have been better, is if fenn wanted to reorganise the index ..
he created a new page
built his index
seems he does a new wiki now
lost interest on this one
new wiki? where ?
on his box iirc
using content off this wiki?
[21:16:53] <alex_joni> http://fenn.dyndns.org/wiki/
yeah, and he seems to have forgotten to add the Creative Commons license ...
some pages don't feel Creative at all
[21:18:46] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Compiling_Axis_EMC2
well, you're not actually compiling anything since it's a script language, but it sure feels like it.
uh, it's also innacurate
today i changed the dremel with a 600 W router and tried first cut on wood, i leave the room like a ghost in a fog, sawdust also in the ears :\
cradek: feel free to feel offended ;)
jacky^: this is not a joke, get some dust extraction. it is NOT good for your breathing.
also.. might I ask you to lend me a hand on gramatic/spelling stuff?
no need for offense, but it's incorrect; there are several parts that compile.
alex_joni: me? happily
jacky^: also it's pretty dangerous.. fine dust dispersion might explode
in practice, nah
but for your lungs, get some extraction
robin_sz: probably not on saw dust
alex_joni: flour is good though :)
but on powder coat ;)
nah, poweder is non flammable
I've seen cases when it blew up :(
not the stuff I use ...
robin_sz: one for you : http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Documentation
quite ... concise.
may I kindly ask you to remove that?
sure .. ask away
or is it out of your hands?
gone baby ..
seems you are sorting this out ...
I'm working my way through
darn.. lost link
is this still on?
[00:00] <robin_sz> no
alex_joni: it sure gets late early where you are
may I ask to remove another one?
cradek: better than getting early late
[21:35:27] <alex_joni_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?InstructionS
see priv msg
think I missed that while I was disconnected
notice the _
I just sent it again
not to me ;)
robin_sz: how do I code bullet lists?
mwahaha the bullet code of death!
alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
robin_sz: still there?
got my message?
[22:49:48] <A-L-P-H-A> http://kerneltrap.org/node/5308
cradek: still there?