#emc | Logs for 2005-06-14

[00:00:04] <jacky^> nice
[00:00:59] <Jymmm> very nice. I've yet to make a DX qso
[00:01:15] <Jymmm> so no QSO cards for me =(
[00:01:23] <jacky^> hehe
[00:02:19] <jacky^> was very funny when internet and pc's...
[00:02:43] <Jymmm> yeah, ham went almost bye bye
[00:02:55] <jacky^> bye
[00:03:41] <jacky^> yep
[00:03:55] <Jymmm> oh this is VERY cool... http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs/aprs-parks.txt
[00:05:10] <jacky^> ugh ! can't connect it :\
[00:05:30] <Jymmm> it is a military website, that might be why.
[00:05:34] <jacky^> to many traffic from europe
[00:07:17] <Jymmm> that last link was listing all the US National PArks that have digipeters
[00:07:57] <Jymmm> and that you can connect from the main parking lot (not just the top of the mountain).
[00:07:58] <jacky^> at this time seem impossible to connect webserver outside of europe :\
[00:09:09] <jacky^> nothing to do, timeout..
[00:13:04] <Jymmm> that sucks.
[00:16:29] <jacky^> LOL, : cpu 80486DX 50 mhz Euro 2
[00:29:43] <A-L-P-H-A> WOW... you know, as a novice machinist, machining is difficult if you don't know the tricks.
[00:30:01] <A-L-P-H-A> like. if you can avoid it, don't move the part.
[01:27:11] <LawrenceG> ....
[02:10:44] <LawrenceG> anyone on tonight running a recent build of emc2 (from cvs) ?
[02:12:32] <jmkasunich> hi Lawrence
[02:12:44] <LawrenceG> cheers
[02:12:52] <jmkasunich> I saw your email, and was just doing some testing
[02:13:06] <jmkasunich> fresh checkout runs fine on my BDI-4.20 box
[02:13:11] <jmkasunich> what distro are you running?
[02:13:15] <cradek> I just built it for the first time an hour ago
[02:14:04] <LawrenceG> great... been trying for 2 days.... ubuntu which basically debian and the rt kernel from bdi-4.20
[02:14:43] <LawrenceG> root@speedy3:/home/lg/emc2HEAD/emc2/configs # uname -a
[02:14:43] <LawrenceG> Linux speedy3 2.6.10-adeos #1 Sat Mar 5 22:56:08 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:14:55] <jmkasunich> so slightly different, but not so different that it should have problems...
[02:14:58] <cradek> runs fine for me except I get joint 2 following error shortly into 3D_Chips
[02:15:18] <cradek> (with the default ini)
[02:15:20] <jmkasunich> let's see what we can figure out
[02:15:43] <jmkasunich> cradek: recent checkout?
[02:15:44] <LawrenceG> I notice default ini file has very high accael value of 20
[02:16:00] <cradek> jmkasunich: an hour or so old
[02:16:16] <LawrenceG> yesterday checkout and then a full new one this afternoon (maybe 5hours ago)
[02:16:17] <jmkasunich> ok, it's not the stepgen thing I fixed last week then
[02:16:21] <cradek> huh, "io" takes 100% of the cpu whenever it's not in estop
[02:16:32] <cradek> that's probably not right
[02:17:03] <jmkasunich> hmmm... gotta take a look at that... I haven't been in there, that's mostly alex's work
[02:17:23] <cradek> fwiw, my rtai install is completely unproven
[02:17:25] <jmkasunich> I want to focus on lawernce's prob first tho
[02:17:30] <cradek> right, sorry
[02:17:34] <jmkasunich> io isn't a realtime prog...
[02:17:36] <cradek> what is it?
[02:17:53] <jmkasunich> user space prog, gets NML messages and twiddles HAL pins
[02:18:40] <jmkasunich> it's main() sits in a loop, polling for either HAL pin changes (to update the NML status) or NML messages (to drive the HAL pins)
[02:18:56] <jmkasunich> there should probably be a sleep() in that loop somewhere
[02:18:59] <cradek> wait, I meant what is Lawrence's problem?
[02:19:05] <jmkasunich> oh....
[02:19:07] <cradek> jmkasunich: no, it should use select
[02:19:21] <cradek> jmkasunich: but forget it for now :-)
[02:19:25] <jmkasunich> can't select on a HAL pin (or an NML message I think)
[02:19:33] <jmkasunich> there is an inifile param for polling period
[02:19:45] <jmkasunich> anyway... LGs prob is that emc.run doesn't
[02:19:46] <LawrenceG> I added some expaned messages in the user side rtai file to find out where the failure was coming from.... if I can remember, it was about 8k or 8m allocation with a key 0x9xxxxxxx something
[02:20:30] <jmkasunich> is the machine you are IRC'ing with the one with emc2?
[02:21:02] <LawrenceG> yes... my only one that has enough poop for gl.
[02:21:42] <jmkasunich> that's good (troubleshooting on IRC really sucks when you have to run down to the basement, try something, then run back up and report results ;-(
[02:22:01] <jmkasunich> it looks like no user space prog is able to open shared memory
[02:22:13] <jmkasunich> lets try something simpler than emc.run
[02:22:34] <LawrenceG> error is at line 111 of rtl_ulapi.c
[02:22:46] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich looks
[02:22:56] <LawrenceG> mbuff_alloc fails...
[02:23:13] <jmkasunich> waitaminit.... _RTL?
[02:23:38] <jmkasunich> your box should be using rtai_ulapi.c
[02:24:02] <jmkasunich> sounds like a problem with ./configure.... rtl_ulapi is for RTLinux, not RTAI
[02:24:43] <LawrenceG> could be my goof in filename... I cleaned out my code with a new download today
[02:25:05] <LawrenceG> all I looked at was the ulapi... part
[02:25:29] <LawrenceG> I can quickly change the msg again so we know for sure...
[02:26:10] <jmkasunich> please do that... if it's rtl it points us in one direction, if not we need to go in a completely different direction
[02:27:35] <jmkasunich> just looked in the two files.... line 111 of rtai_ulapi has nothing to do with shmem, and 111 of rtl_ulapi is the error message in question
[02:28:32] <LawrenceG> RTAPI: rtai_ulapi.c ERROR: could not open shared memory
[02:28:51] <LawrenceG> line 99
[02:29:01] <jmkasunich> ok
[02:29:27] <jmkasunich> lets try something
[02:29:42] <jmkasunich> first do /sbin/lsmod, see if rtapi is loaded
[02:30:42] <LawrenceG> RTAPI: rtai_ulapi.c ERROR: could not open shared memory key = 0x90280A48 of 8600 bytes
[02:31:10] <jmkasunich> that's an edited error message?
[02:31:15] <LawrenceG> rtapi 27392 2 motmod,hal_lib yesy its loaded
[02:31:17] <jmkasunich> same place tho
[02:31:35] <jmkasunich> lemme check that key
[02:31:44] <LawrenceG> yes, I added the filname, key and size to the error msg
[02:32:17] <LawrenceG> do you need the key in hex or something else?
[02:32:28] <jmkasunich> hex is good
[02:32:47] <jmkasunich> the HAL key is 0x48414C21, and the size is 65500
[02:32:59] <LawrenceG> rtapi_data = rtai_malloc(RTAPI_KEY, sizeof(rtapi_data_t));... its basically data from call
[02:33:12] <jmkasunich> so either it's not HAL that is attempting to open the shmem, or something messing up that call
[02:34:16] <LawrenceG> the interesting thing is that the error shows up 3 times
[02:34:54] <jmkasunich> poor errorhandling in the run script (probably my fault)
[02:35:05] <jmkasunich> first the IO porgram tries to open shmem, and fails
[02:35:31] <jmkasunich> the script merrily continues on and tries to run halcmd twice (there are two .hal files in the config)
[02:35:39] <jmkasunich> and both of those fail too
[02:35:45] <LawrenceG> makes sense
[02:36:18] <jmkasunich> in rtai_ulapi.c, line 32
[02:36:42] <jmkasunich> insert before the rtapi_print_mag call:
[02:37:16] <jmkasunich> rtapi_set_msg_level(RTAPI_MSG_ALL);
[02:37:31] <jmkasunich> that will get us a little more debug info
[02:38:05] <LawrenceG> line 80 sets a level: static int msg_level = RTAPI_MSG_INFO;/* message printing level */
[02:38:38] <LawrenceG> should I change that... line 32 is in the middle of the comments
[02:38:47] <jmkasunich> oops, my mistake... I wanted you to insert at line 92
[02:39:01] <jmkasunich> (I read the column instead of the line from my editor status bar)
[02:39:14] <jmkasunich> but yes, simpler to change line 80
[02:40:08] <jmkasunich> just realized why the key and size aren't matching
[02:40:41] <jmkasunich> this isn't HAL attempting to open it's shared memory block, this is RTAPI attempting to open it's own block, that is a lower level thing
[02:41:30] <jmkasunich> yes. that is the RTAPI key
[02:41:59] <jmkasunich> in other words, RTAI isn't letting us open ANY shared memory from the user space side
[02:42:38] <LawrenceG> .. I looked for who creates it... is that done on the rt side?
[02:43:15] <jmkasunich> the rtapi kernel module opens it on the kernel side, and any rtapi based user processes open it on the user side
[02:43:59] <LawrenceG> could the keys or size be mismatched?
[02:44:28] <jmkasunich> not unless something screwy happend during the build...
[02:44:44] <jmkasunich> the kernel side open is at rtai_rtapi.c:151
[02:45:24] <jmkasunich> the RTAPI_KEY is defined in rtapi_common.h, which is included in both rtai_rtapi.c and rtai_ulapi.c, so that should certainly be the same
[02:45:48] <jmkasunich> rtap_data_t is a typdef'ed structure name, the struct is also defined in rtapi_common.h
[02:46:33] <jmkasunich> it appears the kernel side open is succeeding, otherwise the rtapi module wouldn't load
[02:47:06] <LawrenceG> i am just instrumenting it with the same msgs
[02:47:29] <jmkasunich> you mean the one on the kernel side?
[02:47:44] <LawrenceG> the line 151 side
[02:48:03] <jmkasunich> those messages go to the kernel log... I usually open another shell and do "tail -f /var/log/messages" to see them
[02:51:30] <jmkasunich> if you get "RTAPI: Init" followed by "RTAPI: Init complete" in your kernel log, then it is working from the kernel side
[02:52:48] <LawrenceG> yes, those show up fine in kernel log and the malloc seemed to be working as it never printed an error between those
[02:54:52] <jmkasunich> sounds like an RTAI issue
[02:55:07] <jmkasunich> I need to dig out some RTAI documentation
[02:55:17] <jmkasunich> you said you're using the kernel from BDI-4.20
[02:56:10] <jmkasunich> rtai_ulapi.c:58 does "#include <rtai_shm.h>"
[02:56:15] <LawrenceG> I think I used the source and rt patch and built it....
[02:57:15] <jmkasunich> that is a user space header, but to be honest I don't know how RTAI supports the user space API
[02:57:22] <jmkasunich> maybe those files didn't get installed?
[02:57:33] <jmkasunich> but that would probably cause errors at link time...
[02:57:54] <jmkasunich> it's been almost two years since I wrote the rtapi stuff....
[02:58:05] <jmkasunich> please bear with me as I dig thru the code
[02:59:57] <jmkasunich> (I've never built a kernel, with or without RT patches... I've always used BDI
[03:00:31] <jmkasunich> so I have no idea what might have gone wrong in that process
[03:00:32] <LawrenceG> interesting.... I changed the msg in the init_module (rtai_rtapi.c) and I dont see it... maybe running an old kernel module?
[03:00:54] <jmkasunich> you don't see your change?
[03:01:14] <LawrenceG> since there is no make install, does the emc.run move the kerenl modules?
[03:01:32] <jmkasunich> thats probalby because the old module is still loaded
[03:01:32] <jmkasunich> try
[03:01:34] <jmkasunich> "sudo scripts/realtime stop"
[03:02:04] <LawrenceG> using rmmod motmod hal_lib rtapi rtai_sem rtai_shm rtai_fifos rtai_up rtai_hal adeos
[03:02:37] <LawrenceG> since realtime stop doesnt unload motmod so the rest wont unload
[03:02:53] <jmkasunich> ok, but its better to use the "realtime start" and "realtime stop"... it resolves some paths and such
[03:03:07] <jmkasunich> (especially since we're running from the build directory)
[03:03:49] <jmkasunich> once you get all that junk unloaded, don't try emc.run again
[03:04:11] <jmkasunich> just try "sudo scripts/realtime start"
[03:04:54] <jmkasunich> followed by "bin/halcmd show comp"
[03:05:32] <jmkasunich> that is simpler, and will probably generate the same failure with much less other stuff going on to confuse things
[03:05:51] <LawrenceG> RTAPI: rtai_ulapi.c ERROR: could not open shared memory key = 0x90280A48 of 8600 bytes
[03:05:51] <LawrenceG> HAL: ERROR: rtapi init failed
[03:05:51] <LawrenceG> halcmd: hal_init() failed
[03:05:51] <LawrenceG> NOTE: 'rtapi' kernel module must be loaded
[03:06:21] <jmkasunich> ok, same problem (halcmd is just another user space program that wants to use shared memory)
[03:06:47] <LawrenceG> ok lsmod shows rtapi loaded: rtapi 27392 1 hal_lib
[03:06:56] <jmkasunich> the kernel log showed that the rtapi load worked fine, right?
[03:07:31] <LawrenceG> Jun 13 20:03:31 localhost kernel: RTAPI: Init
[03:07:31] <LawrenceG> Jun 13 20:03:31 localhost kernel: RTAPI: Init complete
[03:07:56] <LawrenceG> (but these dont match my patched messages!)
[03:08:16] <jmkasunich> you changed the init message?
[03:08:22] <LawrenceG> dont know where the kernel messages are coming from.... line and filename would help
[03:08:49] <LawrenceG> rtapi_print_msg(RTAPI_MSG_INFO, "RTAPI: Init 0x%0X %d\n",RTAPI_KEY,sizeof(rtapi_data_t));
[03:09:04] <LawrenceG> line 147 of rtai_rtapi.c
[03:09:05] <jmkasunich> rtai_rtapi.c, init is line 147, complete is 193
[03:09:22] <jmkasunich> ok
[03:09:38] <jmkasunich> so your revised module either isn't getting built, or isn't getting loaded
[03:09:52] <LawrenceG> looks like it
[03:10:16] <jmkasunich> check the timestamp on rtlib/rtapi.ko, compare it to rtai_rtapi.c
[03:11:35] <LawrenceG> interesting... dated this morning when first built the cvs download
[03:11:57] <jmkasunich> delete it and run make
[03:12:17] <jmkasunich> it's possible there is a dependency that isn't properly handled by the kbuild makefile
[03:12:41] <jmkasunich> kbuild is a strange beast, and we only added kbuild long after rtapi stuff was stable
[03:12:55] <jmkasunich> you're probably the first person to change that file in a year or more
[03:13:18] <LawrenceG> ok it rebuilt... I have been doing build as normal user, but running as root
[03:13:28] <jmkasunich> I do the same
[03:13:32] <jmkasunich> actually I use sudo to run
[03:14:34] <jmkasunich> strange... I just touched rtai_rtapi.c, and did a make
[03:14:49] <jmkasunich> it remade all the kernel modules (all the files in rtlib)
[03:15:25] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich hates kbuild
[03:15:59] <LawrenceG> interesting... it does not seem to be running the newly built module
[03:16:15] <jmkasunich> you did realtime stop ; realtime start?
[03:17:20] <LawrenceG> yep... on my box rtapi.ko shows up in 3 places
[03:17:51] <LawrenceG> /home/lg/.Trash/rtapi.ko
[03:17:51] <LawrenceG> /home/lg/emc2HEAD/emc2/rtlib/rtapi.ko
[03:17:51] <LawrenceG> /home/lg/emc2HEAD/emc2/src/rtapi/rtapi.ko
[03:18:23] <mshaver_at_work> mshaver_at_work is now known as mshaver
[03:18:39] <LawrenceG> who moves it from rtapi to the rtlib directory? make?
[03:18:43] <jmkasunich> same here... it is initially built in the src dir, then moved
[03:18:48] <jmkasunich> make moves it
[03:19:36] <LawrenceG> ok, same size and date
[03:19:58] <jmkasunich> and the date is now newer than your edited source, right?
[03:20:43] <jmkasunich> just thought of something... check the size and dates of "src/rtapi/rtai_rtapi.c" and "src/rtapi/rtapi.c"
[03:20:49] <jmkasunich> they should be the same
[03:21:27] <jmkasunich> (another kbuild thing... we had do make a link between the specific version that were using and the generic name, the old build system did it differently)
[03:23:06] <jmkasunich> also: cat scripts/rtapi.conf
[03:23:39] <jmkasunich> the line RTLIB_DIR= should point to the directory with the freshly compiled module in it
[03:24:04] <jmkasunich> for you I think thats /home/lg/emc2HEAD/emc2/rtlib
[03:24:15] <LawrenceG> one is from sunday and one is from today
[03:24:32] <jmkasunich> the source files?
[03:24:48] <jmkasunich> rtapi.c is supposed to be a link to rtai_rtapi.c
[03:25:31] <jmkasunich> dammit, I bet I know what happened... the link is to the old file (maybe an editor backup file, maybe completely gone) when you did a save from your editor it probably saved it to a new file
[03:25:42] <LawrenceG> 3188 -rw-r--r-- 1 lg lg 48297 2005-06-13 19:52 src/rtapi/rtai_rtapi.c
[03:25:43] <LawrenceG> 9782780 -rw-r--r-- 1 lg lg 48187 2005-05-22 21:22 src/rtapi/rtapi.c
[03:25:51] <jmkasunich> gawd I'm hating kbuild bmore every day
[03:26:15] <jmkasunich> 9 megs... thats screwed
[03:26:41] <LawrenceG> that inode... sizes are close, but not linked
[03:26:50] <jmkasunich> duh... I can't read
[03:27:31] <jmkasunich> I'm trying to find the link creation... Paul added that, its either at make time or maybe a configure time
[03:27:33] <LawrenceG> so src/rtapi/rtapi.c is supposed to be a link?
[03:28:00] <jmkasunich> yes, unfortunately... (more kbuild crap... the source name must match the module name)
[03:28:35] <jmkasunich> under kernel 2.4, we didn't do that... we build rtai_rtapi.o, then copied it to rtlib/rtapi.o
[03:29:44] <jmkasunich> ah, the rule to make the link is in src/rtapi/Makefile:117
[03:30:10] <jmkasunich> it should have "$(RTPREFIX)_rtapi.c as a dependency, so if you edit the C file the link gets re-created
[03:30:32] <jmkasunich> delete rtapi.c and run make again, that should fix it for now
[03:32:31] <LawrenceG> bingo... new run ran
[03:32:45] <jmkasunich> nasty stuff
[03:32:51] <jmkasunich> it depends on the editor you use
[03:33:02] <LawrenceG> Its a good thing I dont have much hair!
[03:33:26] <jmkasunich> I'm using kate here... it writes the edited file back over the original, so it doesn't break the link
[03:34:00] <jmkasunich> but an editor that renames the original to a backup and writes the new to a new inode will break the link (or rather, leave the link pointing at the old file)
[03:34:15] <LawrenceG> the build is pretty fast.. wonder if make clean and then make would help
[03:34:27] <jmkasunich> perhaps
[03:34:47] <jmkasunich> It would certainly help this problem (getting an updated kernel module)
[03:34:58] <jmkasunich> I'm afraid the original problem is in the user space side tho
[03:35:18] <LawrenceG> dont know if clean will remeove the rtapi.c
[03:35:30] <jmkasunich> it does
[03:35:48] <jmkasunich> line 107 of the makefile
[03:35:58] <LawrenceG> ok... at least now I can check and see if the key and size match
[03:36:27] <jmkasunich> I'll be very shocked if they don't... but it's worth checking
[03:38:00] <LawrenceG> they match.... we know it exists now on rt side, but user side is failing to connect to it
[03:38:20] <LawrenceG> correct?
[03:38:39] <jmkasunich> yes
[03:39:07] <jmkasunich> what editor were you using?
[03:39:39] <LawrenceG> is rtai_malloc an emc function or a call to the rt kernel lib? editor=gedit at the moment
[03:40:06] <jmkasunich> rtai_malloc is a direct call to the RTAI realtime operating system stuff
[03:40:17] <jmkasunich> no EMC, no HAL, very low level
[03:40:32] <jmkasunich> if that doesn't work, nothing is gonna work
[03:41:48] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, what was it that I can change to decrease my period timing?
[03:41:58] <A-L-P-H-A> for others, I don't mean the ini file.
[03:43:12] <jmkasunich> lawrenceG: try running "rtai-config"
[03:43:20] <LawrenceG> as root?
[03:43:21] <cradek> plat/realtime/lib/freqmod.o: unresolved symbol rt_task_make_periodic
[03:43:22] <cradek> gah
[03:44:04] <jmkasunich> no just as a user
[03:44:18] <jmkasunich> (it doesn't change configs, it tells you things about the config)
[03:44:45] <jmkasunich> with no options, it should just give a help screen... first I just want to know if it works on your install
[03:45:00] <jmkasunich> if so, the try "rtai-config --version"
[03:45:10] <jmkasunich> mine says "3.1"
[03:45:23] <LawrenceG> yep help screen and version 3.1
[03:46:02] <jmkasunich> I keep thinking there is something missing or busted on your rtai install
[03:46:07] <jmkasunich> but I have no idea what
[03:46:16] <cradek> can you run the rtai tests?
[03:46:18] <LawrenceG> I know the old rt stuff had some test files to exercise it wonder if I have them?
[03:46:23] <jmkasunich> never tried them
[03:46:31] <cradek> % cd /usr/realtime/testsuite/kern/latency/
[03:46:39] <cradek> % ./run
[03:47:12] <jmkasunich> no such directory as /usr/realtime
[03:47:19] <cradek> umm
[03:47:23] <cradek> /usr/src/rtai
[03:47:26] <cradek> /usr/local/src/rtai
[03:47:27] <LawrenceG> /usr/lib/realtime/testsuite/
[03:47:30] <cradek> who knows
[03:47:35] <cradek> aha
[03:47:44] <A-L-P-H-A> type updatedb.... and use locate! :)
[03:48:02] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: I know right where mine is
[03:48:12] <jmkasunich> I have /usr/lub/realtime/testsuite
[03:48:14] <jmkasunich> running now
[03:48:17] <A-L-P-H-A> lub?
[03:48:34] <jmkasunich> lib
[03:48:49] <cradek> I'm curious to see what you guys get for "lat max"
[03:48:56] <jmkasunich> hmmm... no ./run
[03:49:04] <jmkasunich> instead two dirs, kern and user
[03:49:09] <jmkasunich> under user, more dirs
[03:49:11] <cradek> kern/latency
[03:49:34] <cradek> % cd /usr/lib/realtime/testsuite/kern/latency; ./run
[03:49:55] <jmkasunich> 2005/06/13 23:49:01 min: 18438 max: 20952 average: 20098
[03:50:27] <jmkasunich> 2005/06/13 23:49:09 min: 18438 max: 26819 average: 20101
[03:50:43] <cradek> huh, mine looks completely different...
[03:51:26] <cradek> g'night all, bedtime
[03:51:42] <jmkasunich> hmmm... I wonder if the tests crashed his box
[03:51:46] <jmkasunich> night cradek
[03:52:50] <jmkasunich> hi... did the tests crash you or something?
[03:53:04] <LawrenceG> opps... ran latency and had a hard lockup... no nothing
[03:53:17] <LawrenceG> no keyboard mouse or anything
[03:53:20] <jmkasunich> not good
[03:53:31] <LawrenceG> does it run for you?
[03:53:33] <jmkasunich> yes
[03:53:39] <jmkasunich> 2005/06/13 23:49:09 min: 18438 max: 26819 average: 20101
[03:53:59] <LawrenceG> let me try again... I may have had some of the rt stuff already running
[03:54:46] <LawrenceG> my box is noticably slower when running the rt kerenl, even with nothing loaded
[03:55:00] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone notice that if EMC is running, you cannot login via SSH?
[03:55:25] <LawrenceG> /usr/lib/realtime/testsuite/user/latency/
[03:55:25] <LawrenceG> ls
[03:55:26] <jmkasunich> never tried that
[03:55:39] <jmkasunich> other window ;-)
[03:55:49] <LawrenceG> sri
[03:56:15] <LawrenceG> what did you run?
[03:56:17] <jmkasunich> I don't have a non-realtime kernel to compare to
[03:56:26] <jmkasunich> I ran kern/latency
[03:56:54] <jmkasunich> just tried user/latency, that one works too
[03:57:50] <LawrenceG> here goes /usr/lib/realtime/testsuite/kern/latency/run
[03:58:16] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich waits.....
[03:58:16] <LawrenceG> *
[03:58:16] <LawrenceG> *
[03:58:16] <LawrenceG> * Type ^C to stop this application.
[03:58:16] <LawrenceG> *
[03:58:16] <LawrenceG> *
[03:58:17] <LawrenceG> Password:
[03:58:19] <LawrenceG> ## RTAI latency calibration tool ##
[03:58:21] <LawrenceG> # period = 100000 (ns)
[03:58:23] <LawrenceG> # avrgtime = 1 (s)
[03:58:29] <LawrenceG> # check overall worst case
[03:58:31] <LawrenceG> # do not use the FPU
[03:58:33] <LawrenceG> # start the timer
[03:58:35] <LawrenceG> # timer_mode is oneshot
[03:58:37] <LawrenceG> Error opening /dev/rtf3
[03:58:41] <LawrenceG> hmmm...
[03:58:56] <jmkasunich> mine was identical up to:
[03:59:08] <jmkasunich> # start the timer
[03:59:08] <jmkasunich> # timer_mode is oneshot
[03:59:09] <jmkasunich> 2005/06/13 23:49:00 min: 18438 max: 20952 average: 20089
[03:59:09] <jmkasunich> 2005/06/13 23:49:01 min: 18438 max: 20952 average: 20098
[03:59:48] <jmkasunich> spits out one line per second until ctrl-C
[04:00:23] <jmkasunich> I think dev/rtf is a realtime fifo, used to communicate the results from kernel space to user space
[04:00:32] <LawrenceG> looks like I need to test the rtai install... something fishy in Denmark (or Nanoose Bay at least)
[04:00:48] <jmkasunich> either all user space stuff is messed up, or the fifo is built on top of shmem, and that is messed up
[04:01:35] <jmkasunich> there is an rtai mailing list, since the tests are failing, they may be able to help you figure out what is wrong
[04:01:39] <LawrenceG> lets try some other tests and compare...
[04:02:16] <jmkasunich> under kern I have latency, preempt, and switches
[04:02:26] <jmkasunich> wanna try preempt?
[04:03:13] <jmkasunich> *
[04:03:14] <jmkasunich> *
[04:03:14] <jmkasunich> * Type ^C to stop this application.
[04:03:14] <jmkasunich> *
[04:03:15] <jmkasunich> *
[04:03:15] <jmkasunich> latency: min: -5, max: 3, average: 0; fastjit: 18, slowjit: 39 (all us) *
[04:03:16] <jmkasunich> latency: min: -5, max: 3, average: 0; fastjit: 18, slowjit: 39 (all us) *
[04:03:18] <jmkasunich> latency: min: -6, max: 3, average: 0; fastjit: 18, slowjit: 39 (all us) *
[04:04:13] <LawrenceG> lg@speedy3:/usr/lib/realtime/testsuite/kern/preempt $ ./run
[04:04:13] <LawrenceG> *
[04:04:13] <LawrenceG> *
[04:04:13] <LawrenceG> * Type ^C to stop this application.
[04:04:13] <LawrenceG> *
[04:04:13] <LawrenceG> *
[04:04:15] <LawrenceG> Error opening /dev/rtf0
[04:04:28] <jmkasunich> busted fifo again
[04:04:32] <LawrenceG> device problems again... are you running as root or user?
[04:04:36] <jmkasunich> user
[04:05:07] <LawrenceG> lg@speedy3:/usr/lib/realtime/testsuite/kern/preempt $ ls /dev/rt*
[04:05:07] <LawrenceG> /dev/rtc
[04:05:19] <LawrenceG> maybe I need to start the rt stuff
[04:05:40] <LawrenceG> i expect the run should load what it needs
[04:06:04] <jmkasunich> yeah, it should... I don't have any rtai modules loaded right now, but the tests worked anyway
[04:06:18] <jmkasunich> [John@ics2:preempt]$ ls /dev/rt*
[04:06:23] <jmkasunich> /dev/rtai_shm /dev/rtf0 /dev/rtf2 /dev/rtf4 /dev/rtf6 /dev/rtf8
[04:06:23] <jmkasunich> /dev/rtc /dev/rtf1 /dev/rtf3 /dev/rtf5 /dev/rtf7 /dev/rtf9
[04:06:24] <LawrenceG> ok, I dont have any loaded either
[04:06:47] <jmkasunich> note rtai_shm
[04:06:59] <LawrenceG> yes!
[04:07:02] <jmkasunich> I wonder if those dev entries need to be created as part of the RTAI install?
[04:07:14] <LawrenceG> those devices should have been created during install
[04:07:39] <LawrenceG> are you going to be around for a while?
[04:07:50] <LawrenceG> got to take the dog out...
[04:08:06] <jmkasunich> wasn't planning on being up much later (midnight here, gotta work in the morning)
[04:08:26] <jmkasunich> a half hour or so is no prob, but not much later
[04:08:31] <LawrenceG> ok... I'll continue the rtai quest and find out how to get those devices
[04:08:44] <jmkasunich> would a ls -l help?
[04:08:58] <jmkasunich> shows major and minor numbers, maybe you only need to do mknod
[04:09:31] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 254 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtai_shm
[04:09:31] <jmkasunich> crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 135 2004-09-18 07:53 /dev/rtc
[04:09:31] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 0 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf0
[04:09:32] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 1 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf1
[04:09:32] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 2 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf2
[04:09:33] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 3 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf3
[04:09:33] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 4 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf4
[04:09:36] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 5 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf5
[04:09:37] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 6 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf6
[04:09:40] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 7 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf7
[04:09:42] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 8 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf8
[04:09:44] <jmkasunich> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 150, 9 2005-04-09 11:21 /dev/rtf9
[04:09:50] <LawrenceG> thanks for your help..... could be a good thing to add to the emc.run script.... check for the devices being around
[04:10:21] <jmkasunich> I'd add it to the realtime script... (which is used by emc.run)
[04:10:36] <LawrenceG> good idea
[04:10:42] <jmkasunich> actually, maybe ./config should test that
[04:10:47] <LawrenceG> got to go...
[04:10:52] <jmkasunich> problem is dealing with RTOS variations
[04:11:02] <jmkasunich> I'm gonna call it a night too
[04:11:09] <jmkasunich> let me know what you find out
[04:19:22] <LawrenceG> will do,
[04:26:36] <weyland> hey y'all... anyone ever use stlworks?
[05:14:16] <CIA-12> 03mshaver * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/ (interp.hh interp_return.hh Makefile): Adding interp.hh and interp_return.hh which contain the declarations of interpreter public functions and interpreter public return code values respectively
[05:18:41] <CIA-12> 03mshaver * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/ (14 files):
[05:18:42] <CIA-12> Changes to rs274ngc intepreter files that cause them to use the public return
[05:18:42] <CIA-12> code values declared in interp_return.hh. For example, RS274NGC_OK is replaced
[05:18:42] <CIA-12> by INTERP_OK. This is needed to generalize the way interpreters are written.
[05:20:56] <CIA-12> 03mshaver * 10emc2/src/emc/task/ (emctask.cc emctaskmain.cc):
[05:20:57] <CIA-12> Changes to emc task files that cause them to use the public return code values
[05:20:57] <CIA-12> declared in interp_return.hh. For example, RS274NGC_OK is replaced by INTERP_OK.
[05:20:57] <CIA-12> This is needed to generalize the way interpreters are written. Some other
[05:20:57] <CIA-12> comments were also added where potentail problems were thought to be found.
[05:31:14] <mshaver> * mshaver committed some stuff to CVS & will now go to sleep
[05:31:25] <mshaver> mshaver is now known as mshaver_asleep
[06:10:18] <CIA-12> 03mshaver * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/rs274ngc_errors.cc:
[06:10:19] <CIA-12> Forgot to update this file with changed position for FILE_NOT_OPEN error code
[06:10:19] <CIA-12> value. This method of getting strings to represent error codes seems very hokey,
[06:10:19] <CIA-12> especially since the errors and their values are declared one place and these
[06:10:19] <CIA-12> strings are stored in hopefully the right order in this altogether different
[06:10:19] <CIA-12> file.
[06:45:42] <A-L-P-H-A> moo
[06:45:56] <A-L-P-H-A> is that my cow? or michael?
[06:46:10] <Jymmm> alright! who left eh gate open? all the cows got out again!
[06:46:24] <Phydbleep> Holy mykow!
[06:46:40] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
[06:46:49] <A-L-P-H-A> moo
[06:49:02] <Phydbleep> Hmm... I need a 75mm dia, 750 gram steel disk to make a jog wheel from.
[06:49:24] <A-L-P-H-A> 3" disc... EASY.
[06:49:27] <A-L-P-H-A> why 750 grams?
[06:50:12] <Phydbleep> ~19 mm thick.. It gets cut, a lot, to ~ 350 grams.
[06:50:31] <A-L-P-H-A> again... why 750grams?
[06:52:18] <Phydbleep> Because I want a finished weight of 300-350 grams and I want to machine it from 1 piece vs make wheel from 13mm plate and press in the hub.
[06:53:01] <Jymmm> Phydbleep who 750grams though?
[06:53:04] <Jymmm> why
[06:53:10] <Jymmm> where
[06:53:11] <Jymmm> what
[06:53:14] <Jymmm> how
[06:53:15] <Jymmm> now
[06:53:16] <Jymmm> brown
[06:53:17] <Jymmm> cow
[06:53:39] <A-L-P-H-A> mykow
[06:53:46] <A-L-P-H-A> how now brown cow
[06:55:48] <Phydbleep> 7mm of MS is ~220g, 12mm edge on the wheel + 7mm hub, 750g is roughly 22mm at 75mm dia.
[06:56:14] <asdf-qwee> Where is Moscow?
[06:56:40] <asdf-qwee> Behind the barn with Pa's cow!
[06:57:22] <Jymmm> asdf-qwee Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad joke
[06:57:49] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Weee Trusted ewe...
[06:58:29] <Jymmm> lol
[06:58:52] <asdf-qwee> * asdf-qwee puts "Dirty Deed Done With Sheep" on the jukebox
[06:59:04] <Jymmm> anyone good at fabricating brass?
[06:59:27] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has lots of brass when fabricating. :)
[07:00:50] <Jymmm> lol http://www.craigslist.org/sby/zip/78726957.html
[07:00:51] <Phydbleep> D'Eaux.. 68mm dia not 75 mm dia.
[07:04:05] <asdf-qwee> Dang...I woulda liked to have a motorcycle frame to work with
[07:04:42] <asdf-qwee> * asdf-qwee is far, far away from everything good and interesting
[07:08:11] <Jymmm> asdf-qwee well, just watch A-L-P-H-A instead
[07:09:51] <Jymmm> I got this file cabinet todayfor free, the deak was too big and WAY too heavy http://actuators.stanford.edu/People/Sorger/desk.jpg
[07:10:55] <A-L-P-H-A> wtf?
[07:10:58] <A-L-P-H-A> watch me...
[07:11:01] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got a webcam...
[07:11:39] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A : Nah, we are still decidign if your a reality show, comedy, drama, horror, or just a b rated movie
[07:17:17] <Jymmm> G'Night Golks!
[07:17:20] <Jymmm> Folks
[07:18:00] <ValarQ> G'dMorning folks!
[07:27:34] <asdf-qwee> * asdf-qwee somehow imagines any show with Jymmm in it would fall under the category 'deformed midget fetish'
[07:31:18] <A-L-P-H-A> asdf-qwee, you're imagination is _interesting_
[10:15:27] <jacky^> hi
[10:15:42] <fenn> yo
[10:16:10] <jacky^> hey fenn :)
[10:16:12] <fenn> i'm giving a presentation on EMC today, i should be asleep by now if i want to be awake for it
[10:16:31] <fenn> oh well
[11:06:45] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/emc/task/emctaskmain.cc: Add a todo tag to Matt's FIX-ME and expanded on the comments.
[12:39:59] <alex_joni> morning
[12:40:02] <alex_joni> or.. good day
[12:40:13] <ValarQ> g'day
[12:40:18] <alex_joni> hey ValarQ
[12:40:22] <alex_joni> how's stuff ?
[12:40:43] <ValarQ> i'm working on some crap2g-code filter
[12:40:57] <alex_joni> crap2g-code?
[12:41:03] <alex_joni> how's crapplication?
[12:41:11] <ValarQ> yeah, i wan't to mill my cards made with crap :)
[12:41:17] <alex_joni> ahh
[12:41:19] <alex_joni> ok ;)
[12:41:43] <ValarQ> i ended up writing code for merging lines and arcs to shapes
[12:41:51] <ValarQ> kinda tricky...
[12:43:49] <alex_joni> heh
[12:47:04] <ValarQ> i can handle rectangles, but arcs are tricky...
[12:48:32] <ValarQ> http://arda.no-ip.org/polycrap.png
[13:01:42] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[13:07:24] <alex_joni> yo stephen
[13:07:33] <alex_joni> ValarQ: waiting for holycrap
[13:07:35] <alex_joni> :D
[13:07:38] <SWPadnos> hi
[13:07:41] <alex_joni> that would cover them all
[13:07:56] <SWPadnos> then on to the high=class "turd" series
[13:08:00] <SWPadnos> high-class
[13:08:15] <ValarQ> alex_joni: heh :)
[13:08:38] <ValarQ> alex_joni: holycrap, the complete crap cad/cam system :D
[13:09:23] <alex_joni> yeah.. and autocrap
[13:09:29] <alex_joni> holycrap extended with AI
[13:09:31] <SWPadnos> actually - the files should be named .turd
[13:09:38] <alex_joni> turd?
[13:09:44] <SWPadnos> a piece of crap :)
[13:09:52] <alex_joni> heh
[13:10:02] <SWPadnos> (a dog craps, the owner picks up the turds)
[13:10:13] <alex_joni> if you say so ;)
[13:10:47] <SWPadnos> http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.1?s=turd
[13:10:53] <SWPadnos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turd
[13:11:02] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: never mind ;)
[13:11:11] <SWPadnos> heh - it's not just me, you see ;)
[13:11:37] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: you native speakers sure know about a lot of strange words...
[13:11:56] <SWPadnos> I'm sure you have a few that I know nothing about :)
[13:12:13] <ValarQ> probably :)
[13:13:59] <alex_joni> SWPadnos might be one of the few natives around
[13:14:01] <alex_joni> :D
[13:14:17] <SWPadnos> well - American, not English :)
[13:14:21] <alex_joni> yeah..
[13:14:26] <alex_joni> toast on both sides?
[13:14:33] <SWPadnos> yes, of course
[13:14:39] <cradek> I'm a native american speaker, but I also can read and write british
[13:14:39] <SWPadnos> but still only milk in tea
[13:14:39] <alex_joni> lol.. nice
[13:14:41] <alex_joni> :D
[13:14:50] <alex_joni> hey chris
[13:14:53] <cradek> hello
[13:15:04] <ValarQ> cradek: native american?
[13:15:05] <alex_joni> heard you have some problems on the io process?
[13:15:07] <cradek> did you see your patch was already broken by the end of the day? I made a new one.
[13:15:13] <alex_joni> yeah..
[13:15:15] <alex_joni> seen that
[13:15:16] <alex_joni> :D
[13:15:19] <cradek> alex_joni: just that it spins the CPU
[13:15:36] <cradek> alex_joni: I fear my rtai setup is bogus, but that's probably unrelated
[13:15:51] <alex_joni> I'll look over it
[13:15:53] <cradek> ValarQ: native american, not native-american
[13:15:58] <alex_joni> it shouldn't spin the CPU
[13:16:01] <alex_joni> that bad
[13:16:04] <cradek> alex_joni: I figured so
[13:16:25] <cradek> ValarQ: I also use punctuation correctly.
[13:16:42] <alex_joni> cradek: all the time?
[13:16:43] <SWPadnos> dont u hateit wen ppl cant spel?
[13:16:55] <alex_joni> i srly do
[13:17:14] <cradek> alex_joni: whenever it's needed in order to not be ambiguous
[13:17:47] <alex_joni> yes I think so too sometimes it makes a lot of sense to use punctuations sometimes it doesn't
[13:17:50] <ValarQ> cradek: ok
[13:18:05] <alex_joni> * alex_joni will be back later
[13:54:15] <jacky^> hi Jymmm
[13:54:23] <Jymmm> mornin
[13:54:39] <jacky^> i'm cutting wood for the first time :D
[13:55:18] <Jymmm> very cool! you making a venus de milo (sp) ?
[13:55:29] <jacky^> hehe.. no..
[13:55:42] <Jymmm> too bad
[13:55:54] <jacky^> how's the batteries ?
[13:56:05] <jacky^> working ?
[13:56:17] <Jymmm> Dont know yet. almost all charged, but haven't tested them.
[13:56:29] <jacky^> aha..
[14:48:38] <mshaver_awake> mshaver_awake is now known as mshaver_away
[14:49:10] <paul_c> damit. I wanted to bounce some ideas of him..
[14:58:07] <SWPadnos> boing
[15:03:49] <Jymmm> I love google maps
[15:04:41] <SWPadnos> pretty amazing, isn't it?
[15:04:59] <Jymmm> I love the fact that you can drag-n-scroll them
[15:05:15] <SWPadnos> yeah, and the satellite thing is pretty darned cool too
[15:05:28] <Jymmm> yep
[15:08:35] <Jymmm> They did a nice job on the interface. I just hope they add on lat/lon as well
[15:10:22] <cradek> if you click "link to this page" you can read the latitude/longitude in the url
[15:10:42] <cradek> ...?ll=37.058517,-95.674656
[15:33:31] <Jymmm> ok, if you enter in a lat/lon like this 37.112782,-121.630516 you get the correct map, but no markers.
[16:03:28] <anonimasu> hello everyone
[16:03:57] <ValarQ> hello you
[16:04:14] <Jymmm> * Jymmm notes... When a company offers a 'Unconditional Lifetime Warranty' on their products, they shouldn NOT be charging return S&H (fuckers).
[16:04:55] <anonimasu> hehe
[16:05:41] <anonimasu> ^_^
[16:06:43] <Jymmm> Well, I guess I know what company's products I won't be buying in the future!
[16:07:19] <anonimasu> ValarQ: what does ploycrap do?
[16:07:44] <anonimasu> brb dinner
[16:07:57] <ValarQ> anonimasu: only merging rectangles so far...
[16:17:06] <paul_c> nuts
[16:20:43] <jepler> * jepler adds some features to AXIS
[16:21:05] <SWPadnos> all nuts present and accounted for
[16:23:43] <jepler> now you can pass the file you select through an arbitrary filter before it's fed to emc
[16:24:47] <jepler> Jymmm: what company is that?
[16:31:24] <Jymmm> jepler : Pelican - I bought a flashlight from them that has a "light bender" that I use when cleaning my guns. Some of the oil I use leaked and basically made the plastic very brittle and cracked in a few places.
[16:31:32] <Jymmm> pelican.com
[16:32:00] <jepler> 'k
[16:32:14] <jepler> * jepler files that away
[16:37:23] <Jymmm> jepler: The light costs $13, and it was just $2 S&H they wnated, but it's the principal of the thing. When I bitched about it they waived the return S&H. The thing is that that with MagLite (as an example) I'd walk in the front door and they would fix my flashlight while I waited. Or if I sent in a Zippo lighter for repair there was no bs, no rma#, nada. Same goes with Cross Pens.
[16:40:23] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[16:40:25] <anonimasu> ValarQ: nice
[16:44:02] <anonimasu> hm, maybe I should get some more code doen
[16:44:04] <anonimasu> done
[16:44:38] <anonimasu> I've just had a 19 hour day
[16:47:33] <paul_c> Evening sivaraj
[16:48:00] <sivaraj> good evening poul
[16:48:32] <paul_c> s/o/a/
[16:48:43] <alex_joni_away> alex_joni_away is now known as alex_joni
[16:49:02] <SWPadnos> Poul Anderson - great author :)
[16:49:27] <sivaraj> soryy paul
[16:50:47] <alex_joni> hello guys
[16:51:29] <SWPadnos> hi
[16:53:10] <alex_joni> what did I miss?
[16:53:55] <paul_c> nuffink
[16:54:06] <alex_joni> cool
[16:54:24] <alex_joni> * alex_joni built his future ass-kicking emc controlled machine
[16:55:12] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[16:55:16] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[16:57:38] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: what's up?
[16:57:44] <SWPadnos> the temperature
[16:57:51] <alex_joni> ohh.. same here
[16:57:52] <alex_joni> :(
[16:58:09] <alex_joni> 27 now
[16:58:11] <SWPadnos> It's only around 28C here right now (in my office)
[16:58:13] <alex_joni> but pretty warm
[16:58:29] <alex_joni> office should be more than 27
[16:58:30] <alex_joni> :(
[16:58:38] <alex_joni> err.. is not should
[16:58:41] <jacky^> here rain..
[16:58:48] <SWPadnos> I've been milling a bit of aluminum - slowly getting closer to having a motor mount
[17:00:28] <SWPadnos> I suppose I should get back to that
[17:00:45] <SWPadnos> it's hard to crank a Bridgeport table at 30 IPM though (2.5 turns/second)
[17:02:52] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[17:43:58] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[17:43:59] <alex_joni> laters
[17:54:10] <anonimasu> * anonimasu slaps alpha_emc
[17:55:46] <Jymmm> * Jymmm slaps alpha_emc becasue anonimasu slapped alpha_emc
[18:01:48] <anonimasu> Jymmm: what's up?
[18:02:42] <Jymmm> anonimasu nada. Takin the gf out to lunch in a few minutes =)
[18:03:16] <Jymmm> Indian food - all you can eat buffy. and it's actually good quality too.
[18:03:31] <A-L-P-H-A> argh
[18:03:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I had all you can indian buffet.
[18:03:46] <A-L-P-H-A> from an upscale indian restuarant...
[18:03:51] <A-L-P-H-A> NEVER again.
[18:04:12] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll take the local mom and pop indian restuarants... the clean ones.
[18:04:45] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone got some simple line fonts?
[18:05:21] <A-L-P-H-A> les has some...
[18:08:45] <jacky^> A-L-P-H-A: need a file ?
[18:09:44] <A-L-P-H-A> jacky^, yeah. I'm looking for something that's very simple.
[18:09:47] <A-L-P-H-A> nothing fancy.
[18:09:57] <A-L-P-H-A> something like this... hang on a sec while I pull the picture
[18:10:28] <jacky^> i've something, text
[18:10:41] <jacky^> you can accept file via ddc ?
[18:10:59] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.eurospeed.ca/performance/images/products/eurospeed/esp028.JPG <-- see the "EUROSPEED" it's a double line, I would want this to be a single line font.
[18:11:11] <A-L-P-H-A> jacky^, not on freenode, unless you're a registered user.
[18:11:18] <A-L-P-H-A> jacky^ lloyd.leung @ gmail.com
[18:11:36] <jacky^> i�m a registered user, ok, wait a moment
[18:11:45] <A-L-P-H-A> if you're registered, it _may_ work.
[18:11:53] <jacky^> yeah
[18:12:15] <jacky^> let me see you link first..
[18:13:01] <jacky^> yes, is like it
[18:13:24] <jacky^> i tried it on wood not aluminium
[18:13:56] <anonimasu> very nice font
[18:14:09] <A-L-P-H-A> which one? my link?
[18:14:21] <A-L-P-H-A> I hate it... that the companies old logo.
[18:14:26] <A-L-P-H-A> the new logo looks somuch nicer.
[18:14:27] <jacky^> yes, i've seen,
[18:16:34] <jacky^> try it on some soft material first
[18:17:11] <A-L-P-H-A> jacky^, I was hoping for the font file. :)
[18:17:14] <jacky^> ah.. ypu also need to set tool to 0.0 lenght and 0.0 diameter
[18:17:40] <jacky^> i'm not sure if is what youre looking for, try it
[18:18:23] <jacky^> A-L-P-H-A: but.. you need the font file or the example ?
[18:18:46] <A-L-P-H-A> I guess both. hahaha. let me simulate this and see what it looks like.
[18:18:54] <jacky^> this font i used is for windoze
[18:19:00] <jacky^> ok..
[18:19:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm on windows.
[18:19:23] <jacky^> let me know..
[18:19:59] <jacky^> but i think the font is a classic comes whit ms
[18:20:05] <jacky^> with*
[18:20:13] <jacky^> maybe arial
[18:20:48] <jacky^> depend on cut the final result, i think..
[18:21:53] <A-L-P-H-A> jacky^, nice font. I like it. I wouldn't mind it.
[18:21:55] <A-L-P-H-A> However.
[18:22:32] <A-L-P-H-A> For this engraving, I'm trying to use a single endmill. The reason is, si because my 1/32 endmills are 4flt, not 2flt, and are geting clogged.
[18:23:40] <jacky^> don't you change it from software ?
[18:25:31] <A-L-P-H-A> well... I was looking for a font similar to Giacomo, but instead of outlined, normal.
[18:26:17] <jacky^> sorry, no idea :(
[18:27:18] <jacky^> i'm also at my first experiences here ;-)
[18:27:58] <A-L-P-H-A> <-- check out alien5.ttf, that's something I'm interested in. (btw, that's my computer)
[18:28:02] <jacky^> it seem a clear and classic font
[18:28:09] <jacky^> something like arial
[18:28:34] <A-L-P-H-A> or Architex.ttf
[18:28:59] <A-L-P-H-A> or Automati.ttf, except with the E not being so spaced up heavy
[18:29:18] <jacky^> :-)
[18:29:23] <jacky^> cool link
[18:29:41] <jacky^> bookmarked ;)
[18:30:09] <jacky^> ah..
[18:30:34] <jacky^> but maybe is yor webserver ?
[18:31:29] <jacky^> i like abduction
[18:32:44] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: have you tried reading any of these with TTT?
[18:33:14] <jacky^> ciao cradek !
[18:33:37] <cradek> hello
[18:33:57] <jacky^> cradek: where from ?
[18:34:08] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek/truetype
[18:34:56] <jacky^> wow, nicee
[18:35:27] <jacky^> why this nise links are hidden from google ? :\
[18:35:33] <jacky^> nice*
[18:35:59] <A-L-P-H-A> arial it is.
[18:36:03] <cradek> hm, it fails
[18:36:09] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek? TTT, no
[18:36:30] <jacky^> cradek: where from ?
[18:36:47] <cradek> jacky^: ?
[18:36:52] <A-L-P-H-A> there's no win32 compiled version is there?
[18:36:55] <jacky^> where you from
[18:37:05] <jepler> win32? Who's using win32?
[18:37:06] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: haha
[18:37:14] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: I don't pay the microsoft tax, sorry.
[18:37:20] <cradek> jacky^: Lincoln, NE, USA
[18:37:33] <jacky^> cradek: nice, i'm from italy
[18:37:34] <jepler> cradek: you can develop win32 apps with mingw cross-compiler and test under wine
[18:37:45] <cradek> jepler: but why?
[18:38:03] <cradek> jepler: the win32 users would just whine that there's no gui
[18:38:11] <jepler> cradek: I dunno, just saying that you don't have to pay tax to develop win32 programs
[18:38:16] <jepler> cradek: yes, that'd be their next complain
[18:38:20] <cradek> jepler: point taken
[18:38:26] <jacky^> jepler: i'm also using win32 for cad and cam :\
[18:38:40] <jacky^> on a laptop
[18:39:16] <jacky^> but on my wk i've Debian Gnu Linux :P
[18:39:30] <cradek> FT_New_Face() fails
[18:40:49] <jacky^> bah..
[18:41:11] <jacky^> aniway jepler my compliments for Axis, nice application ;)
[18:41:58] <jepler> jacky^: thanks .. anyway, I had cradek's help with it
[18:42:07] <jacky^> :-)
[18:42:24] <cradek> yeah, I'm entirely responsible for the blt dependency
[18:42:47] <jacky^> good work
[18:44:36] <jacky^> very clean gui, i like it
[18:45:55] <cradek> that's a very nice compliment. a clean efficient gui was our goal
[18:46:14] <jacky^> nice
[18:48:22] <cradek> Its return value should be 0 if the font format is recognized, or non-zero if not.
[18:48:42] <jacky^> see you later, time for dinner
[18:48:55] <jacky^> jacky^ is now known as jacky^afk
[18:55:58] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/rtapi/Makefile:
[18:55:58] <CIA-12> How to build a kernel module from a single source file under kbuild.
[18:55:58] <CIA-12> This gets rid of the need to make a hard link between the platfom
[18:55:58] <CIA-12> specific source and the generic name.
[18:57:13] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: none of these ttf files are recognized by FreeType2
[18:57:29] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[19:02:30] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: they all say "OS/2" in the header - are they super old?
[19:07:30] <A-L-P-H-A> my allergies are acting up. :(
[19:08:28] <jepler> cradek: I downloaded 'Alien5.ttf', and it works for me.
[19:08:50] <cradek> jepler: oh no, I bet it's junkbuster again
[19:08:54] <cradek> jepler: arrgh
[19:09:30] <cradek> yep
[19:10:07] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: Is your fonts page online all the time?
[19:10:29] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: also do you know the license for these fonts?
[19:10:31] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll put it up on my webserver if you want.
[19:10:39] <A-L-P-H-A> freetypefonts.com
[19:10:43] <A-L-P-H-A> all from freetype fonts.
[19:11:09] <cradek> freetypefonts.com is squatted
[19:11:19] <A-L-P-H-A> minus the s.
[19:11:19] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
[19:11:47] <cradek> nope
[19:12:36] <A-L-P-H-A> 1001freefonts.com
[19:14:05] <anonimasu> hmm my gui is taking form
[19:15:12] <cradek> nice, TTT does work with them
[19:16:50] <jacky^afk> jacky^afk is now known as jacky^
[19:19:06] <anonimasu> * anonimasu ywans
[19:19:09] <anonimasu> night evberyone
[19:19:23] <jacky^> night anonimasu
[19:20:24] <A-L-P-H-A> night
[19:22:54] <alex_joni> evening
[19:23:00] <anonimasu> evening alex
[19:23:06] <jacky^> hi alex_joni
[19:24:51] <paul_c> * paul_c kicks alex_joni
[19:26:02] <alex_joni> * alex_joni kicks back
[19:26:13] <alex_joni> I won't go down without a fight
[19:26:19] <alex_joni> show yer teeth
[19:26:20] <alex_joni> :)
[19:26:39] <paul_c> * paul_c gets out the size 89 boots (with extra studs)
[19:27:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni grabs his c4
[19:27:15] <paul_c> time to leave.
[19:27:19] <alex_joni> along with some NML sticks ;)
[19:27:27] <alex_joni> so.. wanted to talk about smthg?
[19:27:35] <paul_c> yup.
[19:27:40] <alex_joni> shoot
[19:27:42] <alex_joni> *g*
[19:28:17] <paul_c> How much work would you be willing to put into this NML reworking ?
[19:28:44] <alex_joni> hmm.. I think I might fit a few (about 1-2) hours in there
[19:28:53] <alex_joni> that's hours / day
[19:29:22] <alex_joni> probably a bit more for the weekend
[19:29:47] <paul_c> you do realise that even a small change will break endless reams of files ?
[19:29:53] <alex_joni> yup
[19:30:00] <alex_joni> that's why I'd go with a big change
[19:30:11] <alex_joni> rip out emc.hh and do it all over
[19:31:09] <paul_c> first stage is to prune out the cruft that is just wasting bandwidth.
[19:31:19] <alex_joni> first code emc2.hh to how it should look like (no compromises)
[19:31:28] <alex_joni> then fit the rest of the code
[19:31:37] <alex_joni> I know this approach would take more time
[19:31:43] <alex_joni> and be a bit tougher
[19:31:53] <alex_joni> but it would leave a clean implementation to work with
[19:32:14] <paul_c> there is one key file that will need a major overhaul....
[19:32:20] <alex_joni> the other way around might be an never-ending patching and hacking and tqeaking
[19:32:23] <alex_joni> which one?
[19:32:50] <paul_c> wanna guess ?
[19:33:09] <alex_joni> which area?
[19:33:14] <paul_c> usr space
[19:34:12] <alex_joni> hmmm
[19:34:30] <alex_joni> usrmot?
[19:34:59] <paul_c> emctaskmain.cc
[19:35:05] <alex_joni> right
[19:35:13] <alex_joni> * alex_joni looks at it
[19:35:23] <paul_c> that is where all commands get processed.
[19:35:45] <alex_joni> ehhh. only 86k
[19:35:50] <alex_joni> that should be doable ;)
[19:36:10] <alex_joni> ohhh.. bugger this
[19:36:15] <alex_joni> this is bad code
[19:36:35] <alex_joni> I was aware that NML messaging was done badly...
[19:36:35] <paul_c> hey, you're the one that looked at it.
[19:36:48] <alex_joni> but didn't dig till here ;)
[19:37:06] <alex_joni> those static FOO_MESSAGE at the beginning... yuck
[19:38:34] <alex_joni> jee...
[19:38:42] <alex_joni> I wonder who can easily read things like:
[19:38:42] <alex_joni> case EMC_TASK_PLAN_INIT_TYPE:
[19:38:42] <alex_joni> case EMC_TASK_PLAN_RUN_TYPE:
[19:38:42] <alex_joni> case EMC_TASK_PLAN_SYNCH_TYPE:
[19:38:42] <alex_joni> case EMC_TASK_PLAN_EXECUTE_TYPE:
[19:38:42] <alex_joni> return EMC_TASK_EXEC_WAITING_FOR_MOTION_AND_IO;
[19:38:44] <alex_joni> break;
[19:41:20] <jacky^> mmmeeeee
[19:41:47] <alex_joni> anyways...
[19:41:55] <jacky^>
[19:41:59] <jacky^> :D
[19:42:03] <alex_joni> back to serious talks..
[19:42:18] <alex_joni> paul_c: I think we should make a plan of some kind
[19:42:25] <alex_joni> of the things we need to accomplish
[19:43:27] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has a question since the guru's are here.
[19:43:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni sees none
[19:43:52] <Phydbleep> Does emc/hal treat all axises the same?
[19:43:54] <alex_joni> but ask away.. us mortals might be able to enlighten you
[19:44:11] <alex_joni> same how?
[19:44:13] <jacky^> Hi Phydbleep
[19:44:20] <alex_joni> what do you mean?
[19:44:44] <Phydbleep> IE, Could X/Y/Z all be labeled for movement + be defined as spindles?
[19:45:19] <alex_joni> there is currently no spindle support
[19:45:25] <alex_joni> to drive it I mean
[19:45:41] <alex_joni> but you could connect an axis (say X) phisically to a spindle
[19:45:49] <Phydbleep> alex_joni No motor start/stop outputs?
[19:46:01] <alex_joni> spindle start/stop ?
[19:46:04] <alex_joni> sure there is
[19:46:24] <alex_joni> but not spindle speed setting
[19:46:29] <alex_joni> I mean tracking
[19:46:41] <alex_joni> there is support for spindle speed too
[19:47:15] <Phydbleep> Ah.. So could x/y/z all deal with independent spindle motors?
[19:47:20] <alex_joni> sure
[19:47:32] <alex_joni> but you'd have to command them using g-code
[19:48:25] <Phydbleep> Does g-code support using preset spindle speeds?
[19:48:36] <alex_joni> iirc yes
[19:48:42] <jepler> yes, you can specify a speed
[19:48:50] <alex_joni> jepler: hello
[19:48:57] <jepler> hi alex
[19:49:25] <Phydbleep> So I could define 2 spindles and have 5 preset speeds on each?
[19:49:27] <alex_joni> seen you wanted to improve axis..
[19:49:31] <jepler> eg M3 S10000 -> spindle clockwise, turn at 10000RPM
[19:49:41] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: you have S codes for spindle speed
[19:49:45] <jepler> so I guess that's not a preset speed, if you mean "turn at speed 5"
[19:49:51] <Phydbleep> jepler: Ah, OK.. via m-code.
[19:50:17] <alex_joni> but you couldn't tell it S500 for spindle 1, S700 for spindle 2, etc .. that wouldn't work
[19:50:23] <jepler> Phydbleep: M3/M4/M5 means spindle clockwise/counterclockwise/stop
[19:50:45] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: It's nice to be able to turn acrylic with minimum melting. :)
[19:50:46] <jepler> S- is the speed in RPM
[19:51:33] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: the spindle stuff has outputs to hal
[19:51:42] <alex_joni> from there you can route it anywhere..
[19:51:54] <alex_joni> but afaik noone has ever done that.. yet ;)
[19:52:05] <Phydbleep> OK.. SO I'm back to making the machine understand g/m codes and using the pc for a program loader. :)
[19:52:28] <alex_joni> you could even take the speed setting and run it through a stepgen which outputs steps for the spindle drive
[19:52:35] <alex_joni> or route it to a DAC,
[19:52:36] <alex_joni> etc
[19:53:01] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: I'd need pwm for my spindle drive.
[19:55:59] <paul_c> Phydbleep: You using a digispeed controller ?
[19:56:39] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: if you explain exactly what you like to do..
[19:57:27] <Phydbleep> paul_c: is my current control head.
[19:57:33] <anonimasu> hm, I think I have a idea on how to solve the issue of storing moves and things
[19:57:58] <alex_joni> moves?
[19:58:22] <anonimasu> operations
[19:58:46] <anonimasu> qt really is nice
[19:58:57] <Phydbleep> paul_c: I want to keep the buttons, replace the display with an lcd and wire it all back to the pc.
[19:59:50] <Phydbleep> paul_c: Plus add about 6 encoder units for readout on various bits. :)
[20:01:04] <Phydbleep> paul_c: And here's the lcd unit http://www.eio.com/g321skel.htm
[20:04:35] <alex_joni> heh.. the SED133x is nice
[20:04:42] <alex_joni> I used it in a project a while back
[20:06:21] <Phydbleep> Sure beats hell out of bit banging the port to try and drive the panel directly.
[20:06:45] <alex_joni> how about LCDproc?
[20:06:54] <Phydbleep> ?
[20:06:54] <alex_joni> I did run it with that SED133x
[20:07:02] <alex_joni> google it up ;)
[20:07:27] <alex_joni> I ran a console on it :D
[20:07:35] <alex_joni> kinda slow on the refresh, but it worked
[20:08:08] <Phydbleep> Oh.. That pkg..
[20:08:18] <paul_c> always fancied getting my hands on a VR headset....
[20:08:30] <alex_joni> not that good ;)
[20:09:03] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep just wants a transdermal neural interface unit.
[20:09:34] <Phydbleep> It'd sure make irc, coding and drafting faster. :)
[20:09:41] <paul_c> * paul_c grabs the nailgun
[20:09:53] <alex_joni> lool
[20:10:34] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep swaps the air-line from the nail-gun to a vaccuum port.
[20:10:44] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[20:11:14] <Phydbleep> That ought to give it heartburn.
[20:11:45] <paul_c> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3685791.stm
[20:11:49] <anonimasu> will the nails come out backwards?
[20:11:56] <anonimasu> logically speaking they would.
[20:12:08] <anonimasu> nothing like shooting yourself in the foot
[20:12:16] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:12:28] <alex_joni> that's through the foot
[20:12:31] <alex_joni> not in the foot
[20:12:33] <paul_c> http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2005-01-16-nail-skull_x.htm or mouth.
[20:12:45] <anonimasu> ah right
[20:12:53] <anonimasu> my bad
[20:13:13] <jacky^> u� anonimasu O_O
[20:13:19] <jacky^> morning :D
[20:13:30] <Phydbleep> The nails wont come out backwards but it should wreck the valving in the gun.
[20:13:44] <SWP_Away> how could someone *NOT* notide a 4-inch nail in the roof of their mouth???
[20:13:46] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: I was just kidding :)
[20:13:49] <SWP_Away> notice
[20:14:56] <anonimasu> SWP_Away: nice
[20:14:58] <SWP_Away> I mean - it'shard enough to not notice peanut butter stuck to the roof of your mouth...
[20:15:02] <SWP_Away> it's hard
[20:21:55] <jacky^> hard life
[20:22:03] <jacky^> freddy mercury
[20:22:05] <jacky^> :-)
[21:00:23] <anonimasu> night everyone
[21:01:01] <alex_joni> night an0n
[21:03:24] <jacky^> night ale
[21:08:58] <jacky^> hey!
[21:09:19] <alex_joni> jacky^: what?
[21:09:58] <jacky^> i'm listen Led Zeppelin (starway to heaven)
[21:10:07] <jacky^> tooo cool
[21:10:44] <jacky^> you know ?
[21:11:11] <alex_joni> kinda
[21:11:32] <jacky^> if you like the video
[21:11:43] <jacky^> is on apache :P
[21:11:49] <jacky^> at my adress
[21:13:34] <jacky^> i understand how to set backslash on my cnc...
[21:13:46] <alex_joni> nice
[21:13:47] <jacky^> * jacky^ take a bigg hammer
[21:14:12] <jacky^> :\
[21:14:32] <alex_joni> if it doesn't work.. take a bigger hammer
[21:14:37] <alex_joni> :D
[21:14:39] <jacky^> :P
[21:15:36] <jacky^> do you think 5 kg hammer 100 mm x 150 goes well ?
[21:15:42] <jacky^> :D
[21:16:04] <jacky^> i'm going to try...
[21:16:12] <alex_joni> might
[21:18:47] <jacky^> alex_joni: whe you come to italy ?
[21:19:20] <jacky^> when*
[21:19:31] <alex_joni> dunno.. was last year
[21:19:38] <jacky^> you're near
[21:19:51] <alex_joni> not very.. still a day to drive
[21:19:57] <alex_joni> but pretty near
[21:20:06] <jacky^> yes,..
[21:20:46] <jacky^> don't you take an holidays in this summer ?
[21:21:18] <Imperator_> Hi all
[21:21:23] <jacky^> hi Imperator_
[21:21:24] <alex_joni> jacky^: not sure where I'll go
[21:21:28] <alex_joni> hey Martin
[21:21:41] <alex_joni> long time no see
[21:22:04] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ is surprised to have a Mailbox full with messages about NML
[21:22:08] <Imperator_> jep
[21:22:19] <alex_joni> lol
[21:22:44] <Imperator_> have i missed a good discussion about NML in the chat ?
[21:22:48] <jacky^> alex_joni: i'm here, if you like , why don't come here some week ?
[21:23:07] <alex_joni> jacky^: thanks :)
[21:23:14] <alex_joni> gotta see what I'll do
[21:23:26] <jacky^> okay
[21:23:35] <alex_joni> I have some friends I can stay in Rome.. but I was there already
[21:23:35] <jacky^> if you like the sea
[21:23:42] <alex_joni> although it was only for a week
[21:23:47] <alex_joni> :)
[21:23:56] <jacky^> rome ? i don't know yery well
[21:24:02] <jacky^> i know naples
[21:24:11] <jacky^> and south italy
[21:24:21] <alex_joni> naples = great pizza
[21:24:24] <Jymmm> Italy Sucks!
[21:24:31] <Jymmm> 3
[21:24:31] <Jymmm> 2
[21:24:34] <Jymmm> 1
[21:24:36] <alex_joni> Jymmm sucks Italy
[21:24:44] <Jymmm> alex_joni oh baby!!!
[21:24:53] <jacky^> ciao Jymmm :-)
[21:25:02] <Jymmm> jacky^ how ya doin jacky^ =)
[21:25:20] <jacky^> i know CA is better :-))
[21:25:22] <jacky^> heheh
[21:25:40] <alex_joni> US is .. :)
[21:25:51] <paul_c> jacky^: Ca isn't called the fruit'n'nut state for nothing.
[21:25:56] <Jymmm> jacky^ : I dont know, California is ok and all. But I suspect that Italy is a LOT slower pace and much more rich in culture.
[21:26:08] <jacky^> but also here, in the summer is beutiful
[21:26:12] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ flyes to Egypt on thursday :-)
[21:26:21] <Jymmm> Imperator_ Got Kevlar?
[21:26:22] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ for diving
[21:26:24] <alex_joni> Imperator_: nice
[21:26:40] <alex_joni> Jymmm: you don't need Kevlar for diving
[21:26:44] <Imperator_> Jymmm: Kevlar ???
[21:26:54] <Jymmm> Imperator_ bullet proof vest == kevlar
[21:27:07] <jacky^> Jymmm: i've seen.. some nice place in l.a., near to beverly hills, if i remember well
[21:27:14] <alex_joni> Imperator_: kugelsichere westen
[21:27:18] <Imperator_> jo
[21:27:20] <jacky^> an italian place
[21:28:04] <Imperator_> don't ned that in Egypt ??? Only on the boarder to israel. but i would not go there
[21:28:13] <Jymmm> jacky^ : There is NOTHING nice near BH, except maybe Griffith Observatory adn then the freaks in Hollywood (that has alwasy been fun to do)
[21:28:47] <jacky^> i remember some Valentino shopping
[21:28:55] <jacky^> Armani..
[21:29:08] <paul_c> the only good thing about LA is the I5 out.
[21:29:25] <Imperator_> Jymmm: "slower pace" in Italy ??? Nope they are a bit cracy !!!
[21:29:46] <jacky^> what is I5 ??
[21:29:59] <alex_joni> Interstate
[21:30:06] <alex_joni> I would guess
[21:30:14] <jacky^> ah...
[21:30:20] <alex_joni> as in : way out of there
[21:30:26] <jacky^> i was thinking silicon valley..
[21:30:32] <Jymmm> paul_c SUCKER! You NEVER take I5 to get the hell out of LA fast! Especialy near the 405/LAX
[21:30:40] <Jymmm> or near Santa Ana
[21:30:44] <paul_c> Imperator_: You haven't missed much ML discussion.
[21:30:58] <Imperator_> Hi Paul
[21:31:03] <Imperator_> ok
[21:31:11] <alex_joni> but one important aspect is that N gets dropped
[21:31:17] <paul_c> Jymmm: r66 east ?
[21:31:19] <alex_joni> *g*
[21:31:21] <Jymmm> jacky^ : I5 Interstate 5, goes from the Mexico border all the way to the Canada border.
[21:31:58] <jacky^> Jymmm: first time i heard
[21:32:03] <jacky^> :\
[21:32:28] <Jymmm> paul_c: Actually the highways in the high desert. Taking R66 (Foothill Blvd/Arrow Hwy/etc) gets really backed up but at least you have side streets.
[21:32:37] <paul_c> Jymmm: Once you get to the top of the San Bern. mountains, you can fly.
[21:32:48] <jacky^> i taked i fly from rome fiumicino to detroit then, detroit - los angeles
[21:33:01] <jacky^> 14 hours
[21:33:04] <Imperator_> paul_c: its no secret, that I don't like NML, but i begin to understand it. But I still think that it is a very complicated thing. I think now that replacing it would make only sense if we can improve the messaging system a lot with that step.
[21:33:22] <Jymmm> paul_c : Not any more. That area has SERIOUSLY grown. You have to gets past the speed trap in Barstow. Then you can open it up to 100+
[21:33:30] <alex_joni> Imperator_: nobody is crazy enough to attempt that :)
[21:33:34] <alex_joni> seriously
[21:33:47] <alex_joni> but we'll work on cleaning things up
[21:33:50] <Imperator_> alex_joni. replacing NML ?
[21:33:53] <paul_c> Imperator_: I do not intend to replace NML, just rationalise some of the message content
[21:34:04] <Imperator_> ok
[21:34:14] <jacky^> :)
[21:34:17] <alex_joni> Imperator_: replacing NML would take a whole bunch of coders
[21:34:25] <alex_joni> and they would have a lot to do
[21:34:29] <Imperator_> to implement the code generation tools would also help a lot
[21:34:38] <alex_joni> so.. probably never gonna happen
[21:34:47] <alex_joni> Imperator_: yuck
[21:35:03] <alex_joni> code generation tools is a very good point that smthg is fishy
[21:35:03] <paul_c> Haven't heard from Josh about his python tool
[21:35:23] <alex_joni> Josh ?
[21:35:33] <paul_c> alex_joni: Take a look at bison & yak
[21:35:33] <Imperator_> thought also on Josh
[21:35:57] <alex_joni> ahh.. codefest attendee ?
[21:36:33] <Imperator_> alex_joni: the one on EMC fest next to me on the foto
[21:36:46] <Imperator_> photo
[21:36:46] <alex_joni> right
[21:37:02] <SWP_Away> yak, eh? :)
[21:37:19] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[21:37:27] <Imperator_> Hi stepen
[21:37:32] <SWPadnos> Hi Martin
[21:37:37] <jacky^> uff.. but always in the US :\
[21:37:57] <alex_joni> moo got away
[21:38:10] <alex_joni> moo's back
[21:38:33] <Imperator_> SWPadnos: what was the name of that Linux distro you have talked about at EMC Fest ?? the one with the very good hardware detection
[21:38:41] <SWPadnos> mepis
[21:38:56] <Imperator_> ah ok, thx
[21:38:58] <SWPadnos> http://www.mepis.org/
[21:39:51] <SWPadnos> I haven't tried it on my touchscreen PC - maybe I should
[21:41:00] <Imperator_> :-)
[21:42:14] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ has finished the layout of the (maybe) upcomming EMC Servo Card
[21:42:50] <alex_joni> nice
[21:43:00] <SWPadnos> cool
[21:43:14] <Imperator_> alex_joni: btw. i send you the conters tomorrow
[21:43:21] <Imperator_> counters
[21:44:31] <Imperator_> alex_joni: do you have tested now your PC104 counter card ???
[21:44:35] <alex_joni> thx
[21:44:45] <alex_joni> I did a while back
[21:44:56] <alex_joni> it worked ok
[21:45:02] <Imperator_> so you have made a board
[21:45:15] <Imperator_> nice
[21:45:17] <jacky^> alex_joni:
[21:45:31] <jacky^> then
[21:46:05] <jacky^> come here ?
[21:46:12] <alex_joni> now
[21:46:14] <jacky^> august ?
[21:46:19] <alex_joni> not then
[21:46:21] <jacky^> really
[21:46:27] <alex_joni> heh.. what for?
[21:46:43] <jacky^> july or august
[21:47:01] <jacky^> we are at the sea
[21:47:19] <jacky^> internet conenction 100 %
[21:47:28] <jacky^> beautiful places
[21:47:31] <alex_joni> lol..
[21:47:37] <jacky^> O_O
[21:47:42] <alex_joni> I'll spend my vacation very far from a PC
[21:47:51] <jacky^> mmhhh..
[21:47:59] <alex_joni> or any other electronic device ;)
[21:48:06] <jacky^> whithout a laptop on a beach ?
[21:48:09] <Imperator_> jacky^: where are you located ??
[21:48:09] <jacky^> ok...
[21:48:21] <jacky^> Imperator_: south italy
[21:48:30] <alex_joni> jacky^: you might convince Imperator_ to visit you :D
[21:48:32] <Imperator_> cool
[21:48:46] <jacky^> really
[21:48:54] <jacky^> i've a big house
[21:48:59] <jacky^> no wife
[21:49:12] <paul_c> no wifi ??
[21:49:17] <jacky^> just girlfriend
[21:49:18] <Imperator_> btw. I'm in south germany
[21:49:23] <alex_joni> it's 2.4
[21:49:40] <alex_joni> but it's regulated by the FIA
[21:49:47] <jacky^> paul_c: wi-fy 100% working :P 24 db antennas
[21:49:49] <jacky^> LOL
[21:49:55] <alex_joni> * alex_joni sounds like megahal
[21:49:58] <Imperator_> was a week at the lardo di garda two weeks ago with the mountainbike
[21:50:24] <jacky^> here in august, form 1 to 7 august
[21:50:34] <jacky^> there's a week of a tourist
[21:50:39] <jacky^> very nice
[21:51:08] <jacky^> Imperator_: mmhh too much north
[21:51:23] <jacky^> gardaland is nice
[21:51:30] <jacky^> but not in the summer
[21:52:01] <jacky^> we have a clean sea
[21:52:25] <jacky^> you can see an euro in a water from 2 mt
[21:52:40] <jacky^> also have a mountains near
[21:52:52] <jacky^> about 30 minuts of car
[21:52:58] <jacky^> 600 mt
[21:53:18] <jacky^> up the livel of the sea
[21:53:19] <Imperator_> cool
[21:53:31] <jacky^> yep
[21:53:54] <jacky^> Imperator_: where you from ?
[21:54:06] <Imperator_> but 600m is not that high !! only about 30min to go up with the bike :-)
[21:54:32] <Imperator_> do you know Ulm ??
[21:54:34] <jacky^> the hightest mountain here is about 1300 mt, i think..
[21:54:54] <jacky^> on, i don't know
[21:54:58] <jacky^> no*
[21:55:12] <jacky^> where is ?
[21:55:43] <jacky^> wait..
[21:55:52] <jacky^> i can show you some nice photo..
[21:55:56] <Imperator_> in the south of germany, about 70km in the east of Stuttgart
[21:56:00] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[21:56:02] <jacky^> ah nice
[21:56:13] <jacky^> i've many friend in germany
[21:56:25] <jacky^> they are italian,
[21:56:39] <alex_joni_> spaghettifresser LOL
[21:56:44] <jacky^> some friend of mine back here to work..
[21:56:55] <jacky^> he leave a restaurant in germany
[21:56:56] <alex_joni_> jacky^: just a joke
[21:56:57] <Imperator_> :-)
[21:57:00] <jacky^> this year
[21:57:09] <Imperator_> italians are cool, but a bit cracy
[21:57:32] <jacky^> he said time has changed in germany..
[21:57:43] <jacky^> so, come back to italy after 20 years !
[21:57:48] <Imperator_> dont give a car or or motorcycle with more than 40 kW to a italian
[21:58:09] <jacky^> oh no..
[21:58:20] <alex_joni_> :))
[21:58:22] <Imperator_> driving in italy is a bit dangerous
[21:58:23] <jacky^> we don't know to drive a motor
[21:58:41] <jacky^> valentino rossi, or ferrari are the examples.. :))
[21:58:56] <alex_joni_> those are the exceptions
[21:59:00] <jacky^> aniway..
[21:59:00] <alex_joni_> not examples
[21:59:05] <alex_joni_> :P
[21:59:06] <jacky^> hehe
[21:59:07] <Phydbleep> Don't forget Bugatti. :)
[21:59:14] <Imperator_> jo and it is cool to see how the italians are driving them
[21:59:15] <alex_joni_> yeah
[21:59:18] <alex_joni_> and maserati
[21:59:52] <jacky^> we only cant' drive a simple stepper ! LOL
[22:00:08] <alex_joni_> lol
[22:00:16] <jacky^> haha
[22:06:53] <alex_joni_> night guys
[22:06:57] <paul_c> night alex_joni_
[22:07:01] <Imperator_> night
[22:07:08] <Imperator_> see you next week
[22:07:09] <jacky^> Imperator_: we don't know limits when driving
[22:07:14] <jacky^> night
[22:07:28] <Imperator_> jacky^: right
[22:07:45] <jacky^> stay away...
[22:07:52] <Imperator_> but i like the way of live in italy
[22:08:04] <jacky^> :D
[22:08:18] <jacky^> i know..
[22:08:34] <jacky^> you born for the precision
[22:08:44] <jacky^> we are not perfect :\
[22:08:58] <Imperator_> but faster
[22:09:04] <jacky^> yeah..
[22:09:13] <jacky^> sometime
[22:09:40] <jacky^> ;)
[22:10:13] <Imperator_> germany are so perfect that the thinks we made are never running, because we want to make them perfect, and that is not possible
[22:10:29] <jacky^> Imperator_: if you come to italy thi summer let me know
[22:10:40] <Imperator_> ok
[22:10:43] <jacky^> we could pass a nice time togheter :)
[22:10:47] <jacky^> okay
[22:11:26] <Imperator_> i start a new job next month, then i don't have time for holiday for the rest of the year, I think
[22:11:36] <jacky^> :\
[22:11:43] <jacky^> take a pause..
[22:11:43] <Imperator_> tja
[22:11:51] <Imperator_> i will see
[22:12:16] <jacky^> good thing ;-)
[22:28:20] <Imperator_> ok time to leave
[22:30:51] <jacky^> hey
[22:31:25] <jacky^> \(O_O)/
[22:31:54] <jacky^> Jymmm: what's up there ?
[22:32:01] <jacky^> girls ? :P
[22:40:06] <robin_sz> meep?
[22:40:19] <robin_sz> no les tonight?
[22:42:59] <jacky^> hi robin_sz
[22:44:00] <jacky^> Jymmm: take a look of my photo in l.a. here: http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&pos=-1254
[22:44:06] <jacky^> :PP
[22:44:53] <jacky^> was hollywood :D
[22:45:59] <robin_sz> * robin_sz looks
[22:46:10] <jacky^> :P
[22:46:57] <robin_sz> yep, its you in Hollywood alright
[22:47:08] <jacky^> yeah :)
[22:47:42] <robin_sz> so ... tonight, I need to calculate suction pads
[22:48:01] <jacky^> uhm
[22:48:13] <jacky^> no idea..
[22:48:24] <robin_sz> 250kg, I guess we need a safety factor of 2, so say 5000N lifting force ..
[22:48:33] <robin_sz> umm, 8 pads ...
[22:49:05] <robin_sz> 625 N per pad?
[22:49:20] <jacky^> mmm to difficult for my mind
[22:49:51] <jacky^> at this time
[22:49:52] <robin_sz> so, say 0.5 bar of scion
[22:49:57] <robin_sz> suction ..
[22:50:07] <jacky^> right !
[22:50:10] <jacky^> i agree
[22:50:13] <robin_sz> :)
[22:50:24] <jacky^> :D
[22:50:31] <robin_sz> now .. if I could remember what a kPa was defined as ...
[22:51:15] <jacky^> you know.. marconi invented a radio ..
[22:51:23] <jacky^> meucci a telephone
[22:51:37] <robin_sz> who?
[22:51:46] <jacky^> they was in a good moment i think..
[22:51:49] <jacky^> :)
[22:52:00] <jacky^> meucci..
[22:52:11] <jacky^> don't you know meucci ?
[22:52:23] <jacky^> modems and telephone
[22:52:31] <jacky^> tnx to meucci ..
[22:53:32] <robin_sz> never heard of her
[22:53:39] <jacky^> acc..
[22:53:42] <jacky^> bad
[22:53:46] <jacky^> too bad
[22:53:47] <robin_sz> I thought that was Bell?
[22:54:02] <jacky^> bell ?
[22:54:10] <robin_sz> Alexander graham bell
[22:54:15] <jacky^> * jacky^ look at dict what bell mean...
[22:54:28] <jacky^> robin_sz: nahh
[22:54:35] <robin_sz> Alexander graham bell invented the phoen didn;t he?
[22:54:52] <jacky^> nnaaa
[22:55:00] <robin_sz> just like Logi Baird invented the telvision
[22:55:03] <jacky^> the hone was invented by meucci
[22:55:13] <jacky^> well
[22:55:19] <jacky^> look well*
[22:55:34] <jacky^> :)
[22:56:14] <jacky^> umpf
[22:56:27] <robin_sz> ahh, so 1 Pa is 1N per M^^2
[22:56:34] <robin_sz> m^^2 even
[22:56:52] <jacky^> mi girlfriend is stressing me because she dont' know where i'm chatting :\
[22:57:02] <jacky^> (00:54:34) anna: ti far� da controllo
[22:57:06] <jacky^> umpf ..
[22:57:09] <jacky^> :\
[22:57:36] <robin_sz> but you are chatting to an online dating agency
[22:57:57] <jacky^> she want to know where i'm
[22:58:00] <jacky^> :\
[22:58:06] <robin_sz> heh
[22:58:22] <jacky^> (00:56:10) anna: dammi l url dove sei ora
[22:58:39] <robin_sz> she won't like it here ...
[22:58:43] <jacky^> she say: give the url where you're now !
[22:58:45] <jacky^> LOL
[22:59:00] <robin_sz> I got that ...
[23:01:42] <jacky^> ghghghg
[23:01:44] <jacky^> :(
[23:03:57] <jacky^> ok
[23:04:46] <paul_c> the gf ?
[23:04:50] <jacky^> ehm
[23:04:57] <jacky^> evening anna_d
[23:05:05] <robin_sz> hmmm ... eep! we best not continue what we were saying ;)
[23:05:14] <paul_c> anna_d: You don't wanna know whathe's been saying ;)
[23:05:17] <anna_d> evening
[23:05:37] <jacky^> anna_d: as you can see
[23:05:43] <anna_d> ?
[23:05:52] <paul_c> adult toys ?
[23:05:53] <jacky^> we are 4 desperados here
[23:06:02] <jacky^> no woman
[23:06:03] <jacky^> :\
[23:06:11] <jacky^> roger ?
[23:06:22] <robin_sz> hey! im a woman!
[23:06:34] <jacky^> mhmhm
[23:07:07] <robin_sz> well, sometimes
[23:07:08] <jacky^> she dont' understand english :P
[23:07:15] <robin_sz> oh great!
[23:07:17] <jacky^> (01:05:28) anna: che dicono
[23:07:17] <jacky^> (01:05:30) anna: ?
[23:07:18] <jacky^> (01:05:36) anna: desperados
[23:07:19] <jacky^> LOL
[23:07:32] <jacky^> what they say's ?
[23:07:35] <jacky^> hehehe
[23:07:36] <robin_sz> elle parle francaise?
[23:07:52] <anna_d> oui
[23:08:16] <anna_d> je parle francaise
[23:08:34] <jacky^> O_o
[23:08:39] <robin_sz> moi aussi, en peut.
[23:08:58] <anna_d> aussi moi un petit peut
[23:09:23] <jacky^> * jacky^ ghghghg dict fr-ita !!!
[23:09:48] <jacky^> argh ! segfault :\
[23:10:10] <robin_sz> eh jacky^, maintenant le nuit fait tres interresant, hein?
[23:10:16] <SWP_Away> Je ne parle pas Francais :)
[23:10:24] <jacky^> ???
[23:10:42] <anna_d> ah ah
[23:10:56] <jacky^> he-he-he...
[23:10:59] <anna_d> comprend pas jacky
[23:11:01] <jacky^> :\
[23:11:15] <paul_c> anna_d: ginocchio lui nell'inguine.
[23:11:27] <anna_d> ah ah
[23:11:36] <jacky^> LOL
[23:11:38] <jacky^> :)
[23:11:46] <anna_d> paul :-)
[23:12:09] <paul_c> buona notte.
[23:12:25] <jacky^> anyway anna_d
[23:12:38] <jacky^> paul_c � lo sviluppatore di BDI
[23:12:48] <anna_d> parla italiano anche?
[23:13:08] <jacky^> Brain Dead Install, la distribuzione che sto usando
[23:13:11] <jacky^> ops,
[23:13:22] <jacky^> qui � vietato parlare italiano :\
[23:13:58] <jacky^> robin_sz: is a mine good friend (un amico di chat)
[23:14:15] <jacky^> visto dove sono ?
[23:14:24] <robin_sz> ach, quand meme, vraiment ile est un "club dating" pour les hommes ;)
[23:14:53] <jacky^> she's courious
[23:15:08] <robin_sz> ha, she will be very curious now :)
[23:15:18] <jacky^> nah..
[23:15:38] <jacky^> she understand the joke
[23:15:47] <robin_sz> it is midnight here, and my wife thinks we shold go now
[23:15:47] <anna_d> i'm not verygood at writing english
[23:15:48] <jacky^> and the reality
[23:15:56] <robin_sz> and I will not argue with her ;)
[23:16:17] <fenn> dio porco
[23:16:25] <jacky^> ma LOL
[23:16:26] <robin_sz> anna_d: and I am not very good at Italian :)
[23:16:28] <anna_d> fenn?
[23:16:29] <robin_sz> anyway ..
[23:16:33] <fenn> i've got to give a presentation on EMC in 45 minutes
[23:16:34] <robin_sz> goodnight, I must go
[23:16:38] <jacky^> forse cercavi : porcodio
[23:16:59] <fenn> was trying to make a demonstration model before then.. failed miserably
[23:17:39] <jacky^> anna_d: io penso che fenn voleva fare un esclamazione.. ha un po esagerato :\
[23:17:54] <jacky^> :)
[23:18:13] <anna_d> si si
[23:18:20] <jacky^> yeah ?
[23:18:27] <jacky^> :P
[23:18:47] <jacky^> cmq, puoi stare qui se vuoi
[23:18:53] <jacky^> io sono qui
[23:19:02] <jacky^> ok ?
[23:19:25] <anna_d> si
[23:19:29] <jacky^> ok..
[23:19:44] <Jymmm> I just got back from sears. I went ahead and bought the extended warranty on the router and the shopvac I bought a week ago. Great price!
[23:20:15] <Jymmm> fenn good luck!
[23:20:21] <jacky^> hey Jymmm :) where ?
[23:20:33] <fenn> eh.. i'll just bring a box with some motors.. nothing fancy that actually moves or anything
[23:20:39] <Jymmm> jacky^ Sears
[23:20:45] <jacky^> anna_d: (questo � Jymmm vive in california, US )
[23:20:50] <fenn> rayh today i get to play mr. loudmouth
[23:20:54] <jacky^> Jymmm: nice
[23:21:09] <jacky^> hi rayh
[23:21:10] <Jymmm> fenn you're gonna play with robin?
[23:21:14] <fenn> eww
[23:21:35] <rayh> You taking the loudmouth job away from me, fenn?
[23:22:06] <jacky^> anna_d: (rayh � quel signore che ti ho fatto vedere nelle foto, lo sviluppatore di alcuni programmi )
[23:22:10] <fenn> gotta go.. i'm presenting emc to my local LUG in 35 mins
[23:22:15] <Jymmm> On the $200 router I bought, it cost $33 for a two ye instant exchange warranty, and for the $50 shopvac it was $9 for two yrs.
[23:22:18] <fenn> fenn is now known as fenn_afk
[23:22:39] <jacky^> rayh: ready for the meeting ?
[23:23:26] <rayh> Not hardly. But what choice do I have.
[23:23:34] <jacky^> :)
[23:23:57] <rayh> Fantastic fenn. LUG is good.
[23:24:17] <jacky^> i'm talking abot emc components to my girlfriend anna_d
[23:25:40] <jacky^> she don't like that i pass many time to study and learn emc :\
[23:25:47] <jacky^> she's curios
[23:26:04] <anna_d> traduzione in msn!
[23:26:17] <anna_d> please!
[23:26:30] <Phydbleep> jacky^: As well she should be, You should be studying her curves. :)
[23:26:32] <Jymmm> jacky^ anna_d is your girlfriend?
[23:26:44] <anna_d> yes
[23:26:55] <anna_d> jymmm
[23:26:58] <jacky^> anna_d: (sto dicendo che non ti piace il fatto che paso molto tempo a studiare in irc o al pc macchine emc )
[23:27:07] <Phydbleep> See? Some concepts are universal. :)
[23:27:11] <Jymmm> Hi anna_d =)
[23:27:16] <anna_d> sigh non � cosi proprio
[23:27:21] <jacky^> Jymmm: yes, she's :\
[23:27:31] <Jymmm> jacky^ oh and what Phydbleep said =)
[23:27:44] <jacky^> LOL
[23:28:10] <jacky^> anna_d: (qualcuno dice che sto studiano le tue curve.. lol )
[23:28:18] <anna_d> no
[23:28:22] <Jymmm> no?!
[23:28:23] <anna_d> ah ah
[23:28:27] <jacky^> :\
[23:28:33] <anna_d> cnc
[23:28:34] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep wracks his brain for Italian phrases and can only come up with fomal Latin.
[23:28:39] <Phydbleep> formal
[23:28:52] <anna_d> no curves!
[23:28:56] <Jymmm> jacky^ : Fine, you no longer study anna_d's curves, focus on EMC alone.
[23:29:04] <jacky^> mmhhh
[23:29:16] <jacky^> she seem not agree
[23:29:31] <jacky^> hard..
[23:29:39] <anna_d> cosa non accetto'
[23:29:40] <Jymmm> jacky^ flowers
[23:29:51] <jacky^> hehe
[23:30:50] <jacky^> anna_d: ?
[23:30:58] <Jymmm> anna_d: Piuttosto gli fareste studiarvi EMC?
[23:31:01] <anna_d> lei sembr non accetta'
[23:31:37] <anna_d> jymmm what?
[23:31:41] <jacky^> anna_d: here we are all good guys
[23:31:51] <Jymmm> anna_d You would rather have him study EMC than you?
[23:31:55] <jacky^> anna_d: (qui siamo tutti bravi ragazzi..)
[23:32:07] <anna_d> :-)
[23:32:41] <jacky^> cmq, hai visto.. non ci sono donne
[23:32:57] <jacky^> there are not women here..
[23:32:58] <anna_d> stai zitto mi fai sembrare scema
[23:33:03] <anna_d> cosi!11
[23:33:06] <anna_d> !!!
[23:33:09] <Jymmm> jacky^ : See, i told you they are a tease =)
[23:33:12] <jacky^> umpf
[23:34:00] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : You got all they are syaing down?
[23:35:18] <jacky^> she's paranoic
[23:35:23] <Phydbleep> Not a clue what they're saying..
[23:35:43] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : Ok, just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me =)
[23:35:53] <Jymmm> jacky^ : What is she paranoid about?
[23:36:11] <jacky^> bah..
[23:36:46] <jacky^> anna_d: what you understand ?
[23:36:59] <anna_d> niente proprio
[23:37:04] <anna_d> ho vocabolario
[23:37:08] <anna_d> alla mano per capire
[23:37:09] <jacky^> i sayd parabolic antenna
[23:37:14] <jacky^> wi-fi
[23:37:21] <Jymmm> jacky^ oh, LOL
[23:37:27] <jacky^> :\
[23:37:41] <anna_d> :/
[23:37:46] <Jymmm> jacky^: No, that is NOT what you wrote =) lol
[23:38:03] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep wonders if anna_d understands English..
[23:38:11] <jacky^> * jacky^ ghghghg
[23:38:34] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep wonders if jacky^ is being strangled.
[23:38:49] <anna_d> ti ha strangolato
[23:38:50] <Jymmm> * Jymmm thinks strangled too
[23:38:51] <jacky^> ma lol
[23:39:06] <anna_d> perch� tu mi chiedi cosa ho capito'
[23:39:14] <anna_d> ah ah
[23:39:23] <Phydbleep> anna_d: He's not being strangled 'yet'?
[23:39:25] <jacky^> anna_d: speak english here please..
[23:39:52] <anna_d> j'not speak english
[23:39:57] <jacky^> or sing in italian :P
[23:40:13] <jacky^> anna_d: lives in naples
[23:40:20] <Phydbleep> Please, No singing in Italian..
[23:40:27] <jacky^> she have a very beautiful voice
[23:40:38] <Jymmm> Phydbleep she might have a nice voice. You never know.
[23:40:42] <anna_d> yes naples
[23:40:43] <jacky^> she can sing an only son in english
[23:40:52] <jacky^> image: lennon
[23:40:52] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is among the 'opera overdosed'.
[23:41:24] <Jymmm> Singing ok, no opera though.
[23:41:34] <jacky^> who have paltalk ?
[23:41:39] <jacky^> installed ?
[23:42:24] <jacky^> really, she have a very good voice
[23:42:31] <jacky^> to sing
[23:42:50] <jacky^> i also like to play a guitar
[23:43:14] <jacky^> but at the moment i cannot :\ too late
[23:43:34] <Jymmm> jacky^ Then play with anna_d instead =)
[23:43:36] <jacky^> anna_d: capito ?
[23:43:59] <jacky^> Jymmm: anna_d is in naples , i'm in reggio di calabria
[23:44:08] <jacky^> so, far away
[23:44:14] <Jymmm> jacky^ how many miles?
[23:44:24] <jacky^> 250
[23:44:36] <jacky^> i'm south
[23:44:40] <Jymmm> jacky^ Start walking, you'll be there by next week
[23:44:42] <jacky^> she's north
[23:44:56] <anna_d> qualcosa
[23:45:17] <jacky^> for the next week ?
[23:45:36] <jacky^> she's will come here for 30
[23:45:41] <anna_d> prossimo fine settimana'
[23:45:52] <anna_d> ?
[23:45:53] <jacky^> next weekend
[23:46:04] <Jymmm> jacky^ cool =)
[23:46:15] <Jymmm> Long distance relationships suck.
[23:46:15] <jacky^> :-)
[23:46:26] <jacky^> yeah
[23:46:31] <anna_d> :/
[23:46:38] <jacky^> hehe
[23:46:58] <Jymmm> anna_d : They do
[23:47:01] <anna_d> cosa � such'
[23:47:07] <anna_d> suck
[23:47:12] <Phydbleep> jacky^: Foget me coming over there, send anna_d over here if you're too busy playing with your emc. :)
[23:47:21] <Jymmm> lol
[23:47:43] <jacky^> Phydbleep: lol
[23:47:53] <Jymmm> anna_d : If he's too busy play with emc, you want to visit California?
[23:48:16] <jacky^> p(01:46:28) anna: phydbleep
[23:48:16] <jacky^> (01:46:33) jack: spe..
[23:48:18] <jacky^> :\
[23:49:00] <jacky^> anna_d: (he sayd: se sono troppo occupato a studiare emc di far sapere)
[23:49:08] <anna_d> california siiiiiiiiiii
[23:49:15] <Jymmm> ROTF
[23:49:50] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : Ha! You lose!
[23:49:50] <anna_d> jymmm rotfl
[23:50:28] <Jymmm> anna_d : Ok, Fly into San Francisco and I can pick you up from there. I live 40 minutes from there =)
[23:50:48] <jacky^> ma LOL
[23:51:26] <anna_d> vola per san francisco e?
[23:51:48] <jacky^> 40 minuti, semplice
[23:52:12] <jacky^> ah..
[23:52:44] <anna_d> yes fly goooooooooooo!
[23:53:09] <jacky^> anna_d: is here: http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=lastup&cat=&pos=1
[23:53:24] <jacky^> she's our masquotte :)
[23:54:02] <Jymmm> anna_d : What do you want to see in California?
[23:54:32] <jacky^> anna_d: cosa ti piacerebbe vedere in california ?
[23:54:36] <anna_d> tutto
[23:54:43] <jacky^> Jymmm: all
[23:55:24] <anna_d> beautiful
[23:55:39] <Phydbleep> anna_d: http://www.garagegames.com/images/uploaded/imag.7174.me.jpg
[23:56:01] <anna_d> che viso simpatico
[23:56:04] <anna_d> davvero
[23:56:12] <anna_d> gli tirerei la barbaaaaaa
[23:56:17] <jacky^> that's nice face
[23:56:26] <anna_d> :_)
[23:56:36] <anna_d> :-)
[23:56:38] <Phydbleep> But I need a barber.? Hehehe.. :)
[23:56:53] <jacky^> i don't know how to say 'barba' in english :\
[23:57:12] <anna_d> barber?
[23:57:27] <jacky^> anna_d: si, barbiere
[23:57:40] <jacky^> nel senso..
[23:57:50] <jacky^> avrebbe bisogno di un barbiere ?
[23:57:51] <Phydbleep> Beard?
[23:57:55] <anna_d> ho vocabolario con me
[23:58:00] <jacky^> Phydbleep: � simpatico assai :)
[23:58:05] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep just mugged babelfish.
[23:58:05] <anna_d> no
[23:58:11] <anna_d> � bello con la barba
[23:58:16] <anna_d> non deve togliere
[23:58:23] <Jymmm> anna_d California is a bigger than ALL of Italy.
[23:59:08] <jacky^> anna_d: Jymmm dice che la california � molto molto piu' grande dell'Italia
[23:59:25] <jacky^> anna_d: ti puoi perdere
[23:59:37] <jacky^> anna_d: tante cose da vedere
[23:59:43] <Jymmm> anna_d : You would have to live here for a while to see ALL of California, then you wouldn't see jacky^ for a long time!
[23:59:55] <Phydbleep> anna_d: Grazie :)