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[00:00:00] <alpha_emc> it's really difficult to make out the text.
[00:00:07] <jacky^> waht's the problem ?
[00:00:20] <alpha_emc> it's an graphical underlay...
[00:00:33] <jacky^> you can customize font, background, etc.. and save settingd
[00:00:36] <alpha_emc> I want to remove it.
[00:00:40] <jacky^> from console menu
[00:01:00] <alpha_emc> jacky, how do I remove the background? what file do I edit?
[00:01:44] <jacky^> i think youre' talking about ini files
[00:01:51] <anonimasu> you turn it off in the grub config file
[00:01:57] <jacky^> depend on what youre running
[00:01:58] <anonimasu> /boot/grub/grub.conf
[00:02:02] <anonimasu> if you run bdi..
[00:02:19] <jacky^> :\
[00:02:23] <jacky^> bah..
[00:03:00] <jacky^> alpha_emc: install lilo
[00:03:08] <jacky^> remove grub
[00:03:18] <jacky^> edit /etc/lilo.conf
[00:03:20] <alpha_emc> so just command out splashimage in /boot/grub/grub.conf file?
[00:03:29] <jacky^> ghgh
[00:03:33] <alpha_emc> ghgh?
[00:03:40] <anonimasu> yeah, I think that should be it
[00:03:46] <alpha_emc> k. I'll try that.
[00:03:52] <jacky^> bah
[00:04:07] <anonimasu> it's on the line to load your os.. I think..
[00:04:11] <anonimasu> I cant check it out right now
[00:04:24] <jacky^> i think is better spend your time in other thingh
[00:04:34] <jacky^> like setup emc machine
[00:04:41] <jacky^> aniway..
[00:04:54] <jacky^> you can edit grub ini file
[00:05:11] <jacky^> or lilo.conf if you prefer lilo
[00:05:24] <alpha_emc> well... I'll let you know in few minutes, after I reboot
[00:05:38] <jacky^> mmmhh
[00:06:15] <jacky^> *_*
[00:07:26] <jacky^> anonimasu:
[00:07:31] <jacky^> are you ?
[00:07:47] <fenn> alpha apt-get remove bootsplash is supposed to work, but doesn't
[00:08:04] <alpha> no it's something to do with bootsplash
[00:08:32] <jacky^> acc..
[00:08:47] <fenn> anonimasu: for your flow sensor, just use a wire with a current running through it; measure resistance of the wire, it's proportional to heat which is proportional to mass flow through the tube
[00:09:05] <fenn> like on a turbo'd engine mass flow sensor
[00:09:05] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, sorry I mised that message
[00:10:11] <anonimasu> fenn: hm, might work..
[00:11:04] <fenn> easier than trying to reinvent the wheel
[00:11:38] <fenn> or just buy a mass flow sensor :)
[00:12:33] <anonimasu> fenn: if everything were perfect that wouldnt be a problem :)
[00:13:04] <anonimasu> how does thoose senrors stand up to shocks?
[00:14:33] <fenn> well, the thickness of the wire depends on how fast of a response you need
[00:14:56] <fenn> but you have a small tube, so the wire can be thin since it doesn't have to span a large distance
[00:15:21] <anonimasu> fenn: I dont mind reinventing the wheel as long as it'll turn out well :)
[00:15:43] <fenn> how does your IR sensor measure the amplitude of the reed?
[00:17:05] <anonimasu> I was thinking to a rc filter then to a avr measuring the voltage
[00:17:19] <anonimasu> perferably without the IR sensor..
[00:17:31] <anonimasu> with a piezo vibration sensor instead
[00:18:03] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, kinda works... that apt-get remove bootsplash... bootsplash was just updating stuff.
[00:18:33] <fenn> oh so you remove bootsplash, then you edit grub.conf?
[00:19:32] <A-L-P-H-A> I think the actual command is the following
[00:19:40] <A-L-P-H-A> su -> update-rc.d bootsplash remove
[00:20:07] <A-L-P-H-A> rebooting right now to see.
[00:20:48] <anonimasu> fenn: does that sound entirely wrong?
[00:23:05] <fenn> anonimasu: i dont know anything about electronics :)
[00:23:13] <weyland> hey guys, did you all getthat following error thing figured out last night?
[00:23:56] <jacky^> hi weyland
[00:24:02] <jacky^> last night ?
[00:24:18] <jacky^> or saturday night ?
[00:24:21] <jacky^> :\
[00:24:32] <weyland> crap, I have no idea any more...
[00:24:33] <anonimasu> :)
[00:24:41] <weyland> :)
[00:24:50] <jacky^> mmhh
[00:25:08] <weyland> i think it wa slast night
[00:25:24] <weyland> couldve been two nights ago
[00:25:32] <jacky^> well.. wait.. i'm rebooting ram system..
[00:25:57] <weyland> either way, i did the update that john recommended, and now I'm getting all kinds of following errors too
[00:26:07] <jacky^> * jacky^ file not found
[00:26:10] <jacky^> :\
[00:27:01] <jacky^> weyland: about what ?
[00:27:18] <anonimasu> weyland: have you tried cranking up your ferror's ?
[00:27:53] <weyland> what should they be at?
[00:28:01] <A-L-P-H-A> I've being told that this is a kernel compiled option.
[00:28:08] <weyland> they're at 1.000 now
[00:28:21] <weyland> what is?
[00:29:34] <weyland> anyone? bueller?\
[00:29:40] <anonimasu> higher?
[00:29:47] <jacky^> uhmm
[00:29:49] <anonimasu> what speeds are you running at?
[00:29:54] <fenn> weyland min_ferror should be higher than .05?
[00:29:56] <jacky^> i can't understood
[00:30:06] <jacky^> i speak antic aramaic :\
[00:30:09] <fenn> jacky^: ferris bueller's day off
[00:30:26] <weyland> min_ferror is at 050 now
[00:30:31] <weyland> ferror is at 1.000
[00:31:01] <weyland> anonimasu: suggestions past 1.000?
[00:31:02] <fenn> you get following errors on a g0 or g1?
[00:31:11] <anonimasu> increase it until they stop..
[00:31:13] <weyland> g0 and manual jogs
[00:31:19] <anonimasu> and increase your period..
[00:31:27] <anonimasu> or run with a lower accel/velocity
[00:31:44] <fenn> this sounds strangely like the bug john just fixed
[00:31:46] <weyland> accel is now down to 1.0
[00:31:51] <weyland> still happens
[00:31:54] <anonimasu> very strance
[00:31:58] <anonimasu> strange
[00:31:59] <weyland> kinda wierd
[00:32:10] <weyland> also, after a long manual jog
[00:32:30] <weyland> the axis will reverse direction briefly afgter stopping
[00:32:42] <fenn> the motors running at the velocity limit during a jog, it stutters and tries to keep up but has to go over max velocity.. result is following error
[00:33:16] <anonimasu> f*ck.. I cant cfd this tonight..
[00:33:21] <weyland> so how that would be fixed? increase max velocity?
[00:33:23] <anonimasu> my head is crap today
[00:33:23] <anonimasu> ..
[00:33:32] <anonimasu> yeah, increase the max velocity
[00:33:36] <anonimasu> and set your default lower
[00:33:48] <weyland> default is at ONE
[00:34:06] <anonimasu> I am running mm so I cant help you with sensible values
[00:34:11] <fenn> same thing happens with accel
[00:34:21] <anonimasu> accel has caused me lots of problems
[00:34:21] <fenn> is there a default accel option?
[00:34:29] <anonimasu> yeah
[00:35:06] <weyland> brb, gonna go play with the ini
[00:35:25] <anonimasu> k
[00:36:29] <fenn> surely the anonymous cvs updates faster than several days
[00:36:48] <fenn> that bug fix was on june 8th
[00:37:42] <rayh> I believe that JohnK posted something about switching tags.
[00:37:57] <rayh> to get the correct download
[00:38:33] <A-L-P-H-A> new feat... shall I recompile the kernel for kicks?
[00:38:47] <fenn> yes, it will be educational
[00:39:57] <jacky^> umpf
[00:40:06] <jacky^> i�'ve been in rimini e riccione
[00:40:19] <jacky^> i know what move the economy there
[00:40:24] <jacky^> u Pilu !
[00:40:34] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
[00:41:00] <fenn> la via della droga
[00:41:06] <jacky^> yeah u pilu
[00:41:13] <jacky^> nah feen
[00:41:27] <jacky^> u piklu = girls :P
[00:41:30] <jacky^> ops
[00:41:31] <jacky^> pilu
[00:42:39] <jacky^> fenn: where you from ?
[00:42:44] <fenn> indiana
[00:42:50] <jacky^> usa ?
[00:43:18] <fenn> yes.. cornfield country
[00:43:27] <fenn> i live in the hilly wooded parts though
[00:43:28] <jacky^> nice
[00:43:50] <jacky^> how you know italian words ?
[00:43:53] <fenn> my roommate married a girl from milan
[00:44:01] <jacky^> ahhh...
[00:44:05] <jacky^> :)
[00:44:07] <fenn> and my dad took italian.. and I know spanish which is practically the same
[00:44:23] <jacky^> nice
[00:44:35] <fenn> easier to understand than to make up my own words :)
[00:44:52] <jacky^> riesci a capire se scrivo in italiano ?
[00:45:07] <jacky^> :)
[00:45:17] <fenn> se suona mayor audito :)
[00:45:22] <jacky^> hehe
[00:45:25] <jacky^> :P
[00:45:42] <jacky^> when the latest time you've been in italy ?
[00:45:48] <fenn> never?
[00:46:00] <jacky^> never ???
[00:46:12] <fenn> believe it or not
[00:46:21] <fenn> there are lots of places i haven't been to
[00:46:33] <jacky^> i'm too..
[00:47:06] <weyland> hmmmmmm... wierd... increased the default accels, max vel, nd set default vel higher, and all seems much better now...
[00:47:11] <jacky^> i've been in california in 2002
[00:47:15] <jacky^> l.a.
[00:47:23] <jacky^> for 20 days
[00:47:36] <jacky^> very nice
[00:47:37] <Jymmm> I've benn in Calif for a LOT longer than 20 days =)
[00:47:56] <weyland> Im gonna go try and makke this thing make some girder oarts
[00:47:58] <weyland> parts
[00:48:01] <jacky^> Jymmm: yo, you live there :)
[00:48:30] <jacky^> i love us
[00:48:31] <Jymmm> jacky^ : I was actually born here =)
[00:49:07] <fenn> L.A. is gross
[00:49:21] <Jymmm> LA has it's good spots
[00:49:26] <jacky^> i've been in an otel in downtown
[00:49:50] <jacky^> i got a rent car for 35 $ day
[00:50:23] <jacky^> i've seen hollywood, studio universal, venice beach..
[00:50:28] <jacky^> very vey nice
[00:50:54] <jacky^> the only bad thing was a food
[00:50:59] <jacky^> for me..
[00:51:01] <jacky^> :\
[00:51:05] <jacky^> vary bad
[00:51:34] <anonimasu> I am going to go play with the shower and then head to bed
[00:51:38] <anonimasu> got work to do tomorrow :)
[00:51:42] <jacky^> i found an italian restaurant, but the pizza was very bad :\
[00:51:48] <Jymmm> anonimasu kinky
[00:51:48] <fenn> uh.. have fun with the shower, kay?
[00:51:52] <jacky^> not like in italy
[00:52:00] <Jymmm> pizza isn't italian!
[00:52:08] <fenn> no it's invented in chicago
[00:52:09] <jacky^> no, wait
[00:52:12] <anonimasu> actually I've been outside all day in dust and wind :)
[00:52:12] <jacky^> no no
[00:52:20] <jacky^> pizza was born in naples
[00:52:21] <anonimasu> Jymmm: very dirty
[00:52:23] <Jymmm> chinese I thought, or was that noodles
[00:52:23] <jacky^> italy
[00:52:24] <anonimasu> no wya!
[00:52:38] <Jymmm> anonimasu lol
[00:52:41] <jacky^> the best pizza of the world, you can believe me
[00:52:55] <anonimasu> Jymmm: how is it going?
[00:53:08] <Jymmm> jacky^ Yeah, like I'm gonna believe you after the "girl" you tried to set me up with.... NOT!
[00:53:51] <jacky^> Jymmm: if you come here, we can found how many girls you want !
[00:53:56] <Jymmm> anonimasu not too shabby. got done wiring up the drives, just need to pull out a computer and spin those babys. My machine won't be here for a month =(
[00:54:06] <jacky^> you can also reamin here and married :)
[00:54:13] <fenn> Jymmm you can make a nice little circuit board cutter to keep you occupied
[00:54:37] <Jymmm> jacky^ You think I'll marry an italian girl?! There are not enough ear plugs on the planet for that! =)
[00:54:46] <Jymmm> fenn how so?
[00:55:19] <jacky^> Jymmm: yeah.. i can image
[00:55:30] <fenn> Jymmm get cutting boards from walmart.. dice into suitable sized blocks, screw together with sheet metal screws if you dont have a drill/tap set
[00:55:33] <anonimasu> Jymmm: :/
[00:56:12] <Jymmm> anonimasu : This is what I ordered -->
http://k2cnc.com/CNC-router-KS-2525_detail.asp
[00:56:14] <fenn> Jymmm the polyethylene has such a low coeff of friction it doesnt matter if it's accurately made.. it will still slide on a cheap metal rod
[00:56:39] <Jymmm> fenn : I just might do that actually =)
[00:57:02] <Jymmm> s/walmart/$0.99 store/
[00:57:05] <anonimasu> Jymmm: very nice
[00:57:22] <anonimasu> Jymmm: looks great!
[00:57:25] <fenn> s/$0.99 store/plastics supplier dumpster/
[00:58:00] <anonimasu> Jymmm: probably lots better then building it yourself
[00:58:06] <Jymmm> anonimasu : Thanks. I had the gantry clearance changed from 3" to 6.5" at n/c, and then they increased the Z travel from 3" to 5" for an additional $100 (includes beefier rails too).
[00:58:08] <fenn> i've got 100 lbs of plastic chunks from my last dumpster expedition
[00:58:24] <anonimasu> unless you have access to cnc machines :)
[00:58:27] <Jymmm> fenn tey lock dumpster in this area.
[00:58:37] <anonimasu> just talk to some machine shops
[00:58:39] <anonimasu> :)
[00:58:45] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has excess of plastics and alu right now
[00:58:51] <anonimasu> got lots of spare off work
[00:58:53] <fenn> yeah they throw away so much crap
[00:59:18] <Jymmm> anonimasu Better than I could do out of MDF thats for sure =)
[00:59:27] <fenn> MDF should be banned :)
[00:59:33] <anonimasu> Jymmm: better then you could do without another cnc machine
[00:59:36] <Jymmm> Nah, MDF is good stuff
[00:59:53] <anonimasu> hand machining is hell :D
[00:59:54] <Jymmm> anonimasu a $86,000 CNC Center (which is what they have)
[01:00:06] <fenn> anonimasu: hand scraping is hell :)
[01:00:07] <anonimasu> Jymmm: yep
[01:00:10] <A-L-P-H-A> k, more new people.
[01:00:12] <anonimasu> fenn: agreed
[01:00:26] <les> back for a little...another band from the tropical storm coming in
[01:00:26] <A-L-P-H-A> http://lloydleung.com/gallery/emc_error/how-do-i-remove-this-background.jpg <-- how do I remove the vga frame buffer thing?
[01:01:06] <Jymmm> les : you all setup in your basement to sit out the storm?
[01:01:10] <anonimasu> * anonimasu stretches
[01:01:27] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: ctrl-alt-f2
[01:01:32] <les> just a lot of rain
[01:01:36] <fenn> doesn't fix the problem, just gets around it
[01:01:37] <les> not much wind
[01:01:38] <Jymmm> les ah ok
[01:01:52] <jacky^> wow
[01:01:56] <Jymmm> CTRL+ALT+[NUM+ or NUM-]
[01:02:02] <fenn> linux gives you 6 virtual consoles
[01:02:18] <anonimasu> you can add more in /etc/ttys
[01:02:20] <jacky^> Jymmm: so, you never been here :\
[01:02:30] <les> hey jacky...I like italian girls. Actually I like all girls. Pity I'm old.
[01:02:44] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn!!! that's awesome! and want I want... but how do I remove it? for kicks now...
[01:02:50] <jacky^> les: what's the problem
[01:02:50] <Jymmm> les not to worry, they are saving the old girls for you!
[01:02:57] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: when you figure it out, tell me
[01:03:10] <les> married twice jacky...that's enough!
[01:03:25] <jacky^> i can say you how italian girls thinks
[01:03:34] <les> tell me.
[01:03:34] <Jymmm> set your refresh rate a lil higher
[01:03:44] <jacky^> they thinks as money, business, not years old
[01:04:01] <les> hmm i'm there!
[01:04:14] <les> I stayed a while in Nice.
[01:04:23] <les> used to be italian right?
[01:04:23] <anonimasu> les: bring the BMW, and the suit ;)
[01:04:31] <les> haha
[01:04:38] <jacky^> then if you want to conquist an italian girl, show 2-3 credit card, you'll sure have success
[01:04:39] <fenn> bring the airplane, and the suit
[01:04:45] <anonimasu> yeah
[01:04:48] <les> They spoke italian there.
[01:05:07] <anonimasu> hehe
[01:05:26] <jacky^> just look our government: berlusconi
[01:05:53] <jacky^> berlusconi have the monopoly of private TV
[01:05:59] <les> really
[01:06:00] <jacky^> is like murdock
[01:06:11] <les> I understand
[01:06:16] <fenn> i thought italian media was pretty radical compared to US media
[01:06:28] <jacky^> berlusconi is the best friend and alleat of president bush
[01:06:46] <jacky^> this says all
[01:06:52] <anonimasu> brb
[01:06:55] <les> I saw a lot when JP II passed away
[01:07:22] <jacky^> i think a little different
[01:07:33] <jacky^> i'm a fanatic of richard stallman
[01:07:47] <fenn> yes he has the right idea
[01:08:16] <jacky^> we lost many people in iraq
[01:08:22] <les> I really really like the area around Nice and monte carlo.
[01:08:34] <les> I am not a fan of iraq war.
[01:08:34] <jacky^> many young man
[01:08:56] <jacky^> it's an oil war
[01:09:03] <les> of course
[01:09:05] <jacky^> just an oil war..
[01:09:11] <les> oil crusade we call it
[01:09:17] <jacky^> yeah
[01:09:35] <jacky^> bah..
[01:09:58] <les> ah...religion, politics, and cnc. perfect.
[01:10:30] <fenn> well, at least we all agree
[01:10:34] <fenn> otherwise this would drag on for hours
[01:10:38] <les> haha
[01:11:26] <jacky^> today have been released an italian ostage
[01:11:35] <les> I saw!
[01:11:43] <jacky^> :\
[01:13:38] <les> oh well
[01:14:22] <les> latest storm squall has blown through here
[01:14:34] <les> another one in 4 hours
[01:14:44] <jacky^> :(
[01:14:52] <fenn> i left my windows open for that one... car is full of water
[01:15:02] <les> you know the pavement has not been dry on Watts street here in over a week
[01:16:04] <jacky^> well. guys, it's bedtime for me
[01:16:05] <fenn> ah you have a vortex thing going on.. nevermind
[01:16:14] <les> The dampness does not effect the shop though...but the dehumudifiers are running a lot
[01:16:21] <les> yea very late
[01:16:25] <les> good night
[01:16:26] <fenn> g'night jacky
[01:16:34] <jacky^> 3:15 am :\ Gnight
[01:16:39] <jacky^> ciaoo !
[01:17:13] <les> not much to do tonight
[01:17:43] <fenn> i finally got the wiki copied over to pukiwiki
[01:17:48] <les> tv half plus commercials as usual
[01:18:02] <les> url?
[01:18:18] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/wiki/
[01:19:14] <les> looks ok.
[01:19:15] <fenn> gonna be renaming everything tonight so it makes sense
[01:19:24] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[01:19:42] <les> still up!!!
[01:19:50] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[01:20:01] <anonimasu> still trying to get the simulation of this thing running
[01:20:10] <anonimasu> but well, I guess it's time to quit and just go to bed..
[01:20:10] <les> oh
[01:20:30] <les> I used to work that late. not anymore.
[01:20:42] <anonimasu> this is hobby/work :)
[01:20:57] <fenn> don't listen to him.. he's a work-a-holic
[01:21:02] <anonimasu> haha
[01:21:19] <les> I always hired engineers that work was their hobby. then they did like you!
[01:21:40] <anonimasu> ended up working themselves to death?
[01:22:14] <les> no...but lots of good products, stomach problems, and divorces.
[01:22:14] <anonimasu> somehow I end up building stuff, or designing whatever I am doing :)
[01:22:31] <les> you can do it for a while
[01:23:01] <anonimasu> yep
[01:23:23] <anonimasu> 1� month more then everything will be working as it's supposed to..
[01:23:47] <les> yeah I always said that too...haha
[01:23:55] <anonimasu> but well, since the both machines are running in production now I dont have to work that much :)
[01:24:22] <les> I try to do engineering only half the time
[01:24:34] <anonimasu> I program most of the time :
[01:24:40] <les> Clients push though
[01:24:54] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[01:25:17] <les> I did engineering all day today.
[01:25:42] <anonimasu> nice
[01:25:43] <les> Have not figured it out...so may not sleep well.
[01:26:02] <anonimasu> les: keep pen and paper by the bed
[01:26:34] <les> I write all down in my engineering notebook.
[01:26:40] <anonimasu> very nice :)
[01:26:43] <fenn> keep notebook under pillow :)
[01:26:43] <les> and on the blackboard.
[01:27:06] <les> when I erase I take a picture with the digital camera.
[01:27:14] <anonimasu> I was on a way to grab one at work before
[01:27:26] <anonimasu> but I havent grabbed somthing to use as office yet
[01:27:59] <anonimasu> just a desk way too much stuff on it
[01:28:04] <anonimasu> err with way too much on it
[01:28:17] <les> I take lots of pictures when I build something or tke something apart
[01:28:32] <anonimasu> :)
[01:29:10] <les> 64 meg per flash cip in the camera...lots of pictures
[01:29:14] <les> chip
[01:29:23] <les> then burn cdr
[01:29:34] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, found out now. grub.conf, remove the "kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-adeos root=/dev/hda3 ro splash=silent vga=788"
[01:29:34] <A-L-P-H-A> TO "kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-adeos root=/dev/hda3 ro"
[01:29:55] <anonimasu> damn I wanted this to work so I could test if I would get a vortex.. in the airflow
[01:30:33] <anonimasu> I added a \^ before the membrane..
[01:31:27] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: cool I will try it out/put it on the wiki
[01:31:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't know how to make a new page in the wiki
[01:31:52] <anonimasu> oh well, I can try it in reality tomorrow
[01:32:00] <anonimasu> I wonder if OH film will behave well..
[01:32:02] <anonimasu> as membrane
[01:32:45] <A-L-P-H-A> how does one add a new wiki page to wiki.linuxcnc.org?
[01:32:57] <fenn> make a link to a new page, click on the link
[01:33:02] <les> you need some vortex shedding to get the thing to flap around a lot.
[01:33:22] <anonimasu> les: never heard about that
[01:33:31] <les> haha...google
[01:33:36] <anonimasu> yeah
[01:33:37] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A:
http://fenn.dyndns.org/wiki/index.php?BdiFaq
[01:33:52] <anonimasu> you mean I need to make the flow a bit turbulent inside of it?
[01:34:02] <A-L-P-H-A> oh that wiki
[01:34:02] <anonimasu> ah yeah
[01:34:29] <les> http://www.galleryoffluidmechanics.com/vortex/re200.htm
[01:34:30] <A-L-P-H-A> you added it already
[01:34:31] <A-L-P-H-A> :P
[01:34:42] <A-L-P-H-A> Q. How do I get rid of the annoying penguin with a flyswatter background?
[01:34:42] <A-L-P-H-A> A. Do this:
[01:34:42] <A-L-P-H-A> su
[01:34:42] <A-L-P-H-A> apt-get remove bootsplash
[01:34:42] <A-L-P-H-A> update-rc.d -f remove bootsplash
[01:34:43] <A-L-P-H-A> edut grub.conf, remove the "splash=silent vga=788"
[01:35:14] <fenn> well i'm working on my own branch of the wiki until it is mostly done.. then i will see if i can get wiki.linux.org to point to it
[01:35:22] <fenn> or maybe get someone else to host it on a more reliable connection
[01:35:39] <A-L-P-H-A> I could host it...
[01:35:46] <anonimasu> les: exactly somthing like that I had in mind, although I need to do some simulations to get it nice :)
[01:36:00] <les> yeah.
[01:36:02] <A-L-P-H-A> hosting the wiki isn't an issue... low bandwidth usuage... just not the iso image.
[01:36:12] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: what kind of connection? i've got DSL and it hasn't been down except for power outages
[01:36:27] <anonimasu> I think I might be able to use the OH film as element for testing..
[01:36:30] <fenn> .iso should be set up as a bittorent anyway
[01:36:45] <A-L-P-H-A> uh... this is didicated server... on like a freeBSD box...
[01:36:50] <A-L-P-H-A> it's www.textdrive.com <--
[01:36:54] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got hosting from them.
[01:37:18] <fenn> heh i forgot i have fenn.freeshell.org
[01:38:00] <anonimasu> actually I need it on/off so I wouldnt need a piezo element, just a membrane to move when there's enough flow..
[01:38:25] <anonimasu> but with a piezo element it's useful in other applications :)
[01:38:25] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, what is this??
http://fenn.freeshell.org/0007.jpg
[01:38:48] <fenn> its a POV-RAY fractal object
[01:38:49] <les> yup
[01:39:07] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, ooks good.
[01:39:07] <fenn> take a julia set and spiral it around on itself
[01:39:15] <fenn> not mine.. was an entry in a contest
[01:39:18] <les> your reynolds number is very low (more google!)
[01:39:25] <fenn> wanted to carve one out of wax/do lost wax process casting with it
[01:39:52] <fenn> rendered image :)
[01:40:27] <A-L-P-H-A> http://fenn.freeshell.org/diploma.jpg <--- hehehe... this could be some photoshop fun!!!!!
[01:41:36] <fenn> ever read the gingery books?
[01:42:01] <anonimasu> les: it's somthing like 1.20 � 10^6
[01:42:03] <A-L-P-H-A> like as in gingerly lathes?
[01:42:06] <fenn> yeah
[01:42:09] <A-L-P-H-A> no
[01:42:14] <A-L-P-H-A> seen some results from them.
[01:42:22] <les> Lokks like my old diploma. same printer?
[01:42:27] <les> looks
[01:42:33] <fenn> yeah diplomas-online.com :{
[01:42:35] <fenn> heh
[01:42:44] <anonimasu> but that's at 5m from the fan
[01:43:24] <anonimasu> the real number should be 6000 :)
[01:43:33] <les> I could have some photoshop fun...
[01:44:42] <fenn> the hard part is duplicating the raised/gold leafy seal
[01:44:53] <fenn> well, maybe not if you have cnc equipment
[01:44:56] <les> That's how I met my second wife. She sent me a picture of here by email. I painted the clothes off it and sent it back.
[01:45:25] <les> She said it wasn't quite right and came here to show me the art errors.
[01:45:42] <les> ahem.
[01:45:56] <anonimasu> :D
[01:46:38] <anonimasu> night everyone
[01:46:44] <les> night!
[01:47:56] <fenn> how do they do automatic random mirroring? like you click on server.com/file and it gets www6.server.com/file
[02:01:59] <A-L-P-H-A> les... sure sure... making up stories again. :) hahahah
[02:02:16] <les> which one?
[02:02:23] <les> all true!!
[02:02:28] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, metarefresh, with a script to generate a random number.
[02:02:40] <A-L-P-H-A> so says the TRO against you.
[02:05:09] <les> Take my word...if a girl emails a picture...get in photoshop and retouch the clothes off (if needed). Send it back. See what happens.
[02:07:03] <A-L-P-H-A> wtf? a new club is opening like walking distance to me.
[02:08:06] <les> No clubs here.
[02:08:17] <A-L-P-H-A> we do have a population of 92K.
[02:08:37] <les> we have a population of 304
[02:08:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I still have no freak'n clue where this place is.
[02:08:46] <A-L-P-H-A> or maybe it's the old club renamed.
[02:08:47] <A-L-P-H-A> heh
[02:08:57] <A-L-P-H-A> do you know everyone?
[02:09:04] <les> I went to clubs a lot in Chicago.
[02:09:09] <A-L-P-H-A> that's actualy a serious question.
[02:09:17] <les> Mostly
[02:09:26] <A-L-P-H-A> yikes.
[02:09:37] <les> Not all
[02:09:53] <A-L-P-H-A> shit... I should be leaving right now... friends are at a coffeeshop, and asked me to join them... [they asked me to join them for dinner earlier already]
[02:10:38] <les> Coffeeshop hmmm...used to go to those too
[02:10:54] <les> we called them drug clubs.
[02:11:14] <les> Old hippie here.
[02:13:34] <les> Took LSD, smoked lots of pot etc....made me crazy.
[02:14:18] <les> So I suddenly ran off and got an engineering degree.
[02:14:18] <les> (being crazed)
[02:25:44] <fenn> i think youth is classified in the DSM as a mental illness
[02:37:13] <asdfqwega> logger_aj, bookmark
[02:37:13] <asdfqwega> See
http://193.226.12.129/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2005-06-11#T02-37-13
[02:45:09] <cradek> does anyone understand the bug description about "Z loses modality when G43 is active"?
[02:46:57] <fenn> i think it reverts to machine offsets maybe?
[02:47:12] <fenn> short answer: no
[02:47:15] <cradek> he shows three different behaviors but I don't even know which is right
[02:47:32] <cradek> I touched something related, so I'm worried
[02:47:47] <cradek> but I don't remember if my bugfix made it to emc1/head anyway
[02:48:12] <fenn> the merge was a while ago
[02:49:57] <cradek> merge of what?
[02:51:11] <fenn> merge of code from emc2 back into emc1?
[02:51:28] <fenn> or was that emc2-bdi into emc2-head
[02:51:51] <cradek> I fixed the g54 bug in emc1/cradek_stable
[02:52:03] <cradek> I think it was also put in emc2/bdi4 and emc2/head
[02:52:08] <cradek> I don't know if it's in emc1/head
[02:52:12] <fenn> ah
[02:53:09] <fenn> mwahaha.. hyperlinks the way they were meant to be
[02:53:21] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/wiki/index.php?Test
[02:53:59] <cradek> ugh
[02:54:09] <cradek> hyperlinks should be blue and underlined
[02:54:22] <cradek> the cursor should change to the hand when over them
[02:54:25] <fenn> i'm sure there's an option somewhere to change that
[02:54:35] <fenn> it changes to a hand in konqueror
[02:54:51] <cradek> yeah, here too
[02:55:13] <fenn> why should it be underlined?
[02:55:25] <cradek> so you can tell it's a link
[02:55:33] <cradek> links have been underlined on the web since day one
[02:55:51] <fenn> i fail to see how it matters
[02:55:58] <cradek> now people are getting artsy and doing other stuff, and it hurts usability
[02:56:10] <fenn> if you're using a black&white monitor you should set it to "use my settings always" anyway
[02:57:27] <fenn> otherwise the change in color should be good enough
[02:57:40] <fenn> not many black/red/blue colorblind people around
[02:58:54] <fenn> i'll see what i can do
[03:16:09] <fenn> cradek: satisfactory?
[03:16:22] <fenn> (links set to browser's setting)
[03:16:28] <fenn> underlines that is
[03:18:13] <cradek> much better, except they shouldn't highlight when moused over
[03:19:37] <cradek> fenn: seriously, you probably don't want my input in matters of style - I'm a staunch traditionalist
[03:20:16] <fenn> now.. good?
[03:20:37] <fenn> i too hate flashy useless crap
[03:20:43] <fenn> especially flash
[03:20:44] <cradek> perfect! it looks just like 1998
[03:21:06] <fenn> it kinda gives me little white specks when the links are too close together, like in the menu bar
[03:21:18] <cradek> it renders fine for me
[03:21:25] <fenn> what browser? firefox?
[03:21:25] <cradek> what browser?
[03:21:29] <cradek> yeah firefox
[03:21:30] <fenn> konqueror 3.3
[03:21:36] <cradek> oh, there's your problem
[03:21:49] <fenn> bah
[03:21:57] <cradek> :-)
[03:22:19] <fenn> i wish they would work on making konqueror work perfectly
[03:22:29] <fenn> oh well
[03:22:41] <fenn> i want a lightweight browser.. and firefox ain't it
[03:23:23] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek/fenn
[03:24:01] <cradek> (if you don't have an LCD ignore the color fringing)
[03:24:43] <cradek> ll
[03:24:49] <cradek> oops
[03:26:29] <fenn> yeah i have firefox running right now also.. thanks anyway
[03:26:49] <fenn> i think it's easier to read without underlines everywhere
[03:27:06] <fenn> but, you may think differently so i change the stylesheet to "default"
[03:27:16] <cradek> you could be right
[03:27:18] <fenn> everyone's happy
[03:27:27] <cradek> great solution
[03:27:40] <fenn> but i messed up all the permissions :P
[03:27:41] <cradek> don't mess with the user's preferences
[03:29:01] <asdfqwega> lightweight browser - lynx?
[03:29:23] <cradek> links
[03:30:12] <fenn> links is pretty piggy for what it is, actually :)
[03:30:20] <fenn> i use it a lot
[03:30:33] <cradek> I really like that it shares cache among all instances
[03:30:45] <fenn> but sometimes it's easier to click with a mouse than navigate through fifty hyperlinks
[03:30:50] <cradek> I have a half dozen X terminals running on one machine. With firefox if you're running on one, it won't let you run on another.
[03:31:02] <cradek> fenn: so click (in xterm)
[03:31:44] <cradek> you did know there's mouse support, right?
[03:33:12] <fenn> well, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt
[03:33:45] <fenn> actually i didn't know it worked for clicking on links
[03:34:30] <fenn> usually i use links through an ssh connection, and gpm doesnt work
[03:43:47] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega is going out to eat
[03:44:47] <asdfqwega> Time to sample the fine local nightlife we have out here - that is, if you like to get drunk on beer and puke all over yourself
[03:45:33] <fenn> sounds familiar
[04:08:23] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega! :)
[04:08:37] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has been making a control panel.
[04:42:31] <fenn> cradek: you like 1998 style? in firefox do View->Page Style-> No Style
[04:48:46] <A-L-P-H-A> hello peeps.
[04:48:55] <A-L-P-H-A> back from that awefully unproductive time with my friends.
[04:49:53] <A-L-P-H-A> go to coffee shop. I show up, oh we're going the pond to chill. end up at pond (with bug repellant this time) and chilled for an 1hr. So I drive for 20 minutes, chill for an hour, and then head home. What an aweful friday evening.
[05:01:54] <fenn> well, at least nobody got stabbed
[05:08:09] <A-L-P-H-A> oh, there was a fight on my street... stupid teenagers... I called the cop while I was leaving my street on my cell.
[05:15:49] <A-L-P-H-A> buhahaahahhaha
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5588866207&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW $20.7K
[05:27:41] <fenn> holy shit someone is really paying that much money?
[05:49:49] <Jymmm> Q: Would you consider closing this auction for $20,000? I am AJs biggest fan, and I really need this item. Please let me know. Thank you
[05:50:38] <Jymmm> I'd give my left nut to be with AJ.
[05:57:14] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: I got the fan/pulley unscrewed off that pmdc motor.
[06:11:34] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep? :) Cool.
[06:12:02] <A-L-P-H-A> she's got mental issues.
[06:12:12] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep? what cha saying?
[06:12:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I forgot to install screen!
[06:13:02] <Phydbleep> So does whoever's paying $20k for a jar of air..
[06:13:10] <A-L-P-H-A> plus two free t-shirts!
[06:13:35] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A who cares if she is mental... those eyes of hers
[06:14:16] <A-L-P-H-A> she's not my type. She's really attractive... and use I would do her... but she's not my first choice.
[06:15:32] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: The 4500 rpm 90VDC motor I showed you the pic of a while back.
[06:15:37] <A-L-P-H-A> http://imdb.com/name/nm0795517/ chich from The Transporter...
[06:15:42] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep!!! oh! yeah! :)
[06:15:58] <A-L-P-H-A> how much do you want for that motor?? :)
[06:16:09] <Jymmm> oh, you one of those
[06:16:13] <Phydbleep> It turned out to be simple once I found out hot it was assembled.
[06:16:22] <Phydbleep> s/hot/how
[06:17:04] <Phydbleep> Spin it up and short it out and the flywheel unscrews itself and rolls across the floor. :)
[06:17:18] <A-L-P-H-A> hahahhaha cool.
[06:17:33] <Jymmm> electric yoyo huh
[06:18:10] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: What can I get for that motor?
[06:20:23] <A-L-P-H-A> does it come with the PWM controller?
[06:20:46] <A-L-P-H-A> how much does a case of beer cost down there?
[06:21:04] <A-L-P-H-A> cost of a case of beer + shipping? :D
[06:21:48] <fenn> i dunno.. shipping's a bitch on a case of beer
[06:22:37] <Jymmmm> When you power up steppers, should they make a slight buz/humming sound?
[06:23:47] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: IF you're running pulses and no movement? YES.
[06:24:14] <Jymmmm> no signals at all, just powering on
[06:24:21] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: You have them in lock-up right?
[06:24:39] <Jymmmm> they are locked up
[06:25:04] <Phydbleep> Yeah, They'll hum a bit and get warm/hot.
[06:25:07] <alpha_emc> oh this is sick!!!
[06:25:33] <Phydbleep> alpha_emc: We dont want to know about your sex life. :)
[06:25:34] <A-L-P-H-A> they really shouldn't get HOT.
[06:25:59] <alpha_emc> nono. I'm using "screen -x" so anything I type shows up at each location.
[06:26:04] <alpha_emc> and that to me is NEAT!
[06:26:07] <Jymmmm> Phydbleep : Ok, just checking =) I JSUT finsihed wiring up everything and hit the switch for the first time =)
[06:26:38] <A-L-P-H-A> they should not be getting HOT... but very warm is acceptable.
[06:26:39] <Jymmmm> Well, connected one motor at a time, just in case =)
[06:26:56] <Phydbleep> Hehehe... I had to hack together a plywood box for my control panel earlier. :)
[06:27:29] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: That's why I said warm/hot.. hot/hot is bad.
[06:27:40] <A-L-P-H-A> k
[06:27:52] <alpha_emc> damn this is cool.
[06:28:12] <Phydbleep> I'd be more worried about the temp on the driver transistors at the moment.
[06:28:24] <A-L-P-H-A> big heat sinks...
[06:28:43] <A-L-P-H-A> drill and tap a hole into a CPU heatsink/fan...
[06:28:50] <A-L-P-H-A> mouse transistors to it.
[06:28:54] <A-L-P-H-A> mouse=mount
[06:28:59] <Jymmmm> Phydbleep You'll love this then.... I got a SCSI HDD duplicator box from teh surplus store for $5 and it included 4 pin mic connectors and a PC PS in it as well. fits 4 fans perfectly on the front (after a lil remodeling with an angel grinder) and fits a DB25 and a DB9 connectors on the back =)
[06:30:28] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Hehehe.. I spent $5 for the box that has the motor controller/opto feedback bits in it now..
[06:30:55] <Jymmmm> cool
[06:31:21] <Jymmmm> stuff around here anymore is scarce. no more dot-bombs left.
[06:31:35] <Phydbleep> Nice heavy steel box.. ~18" x 12" x 10".. Used to be a UPS battery pack.
[06:32:17] <Jymmmm> this is heavy steel too, the the angle grinder remodling
[06:32:27] <Jymmmm> s/the the/thus the/
[06:36:21] <fenn> anyone know how to escape a smiley in php?
[06:36:36] <fenn> \:\) doesn't work
[06:37:18] <A-L-P-H-A> WOW, was this screen thing so confusing.
[06:37:27] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn yeah.
[06:37:34] <A-L-P-H-A> you want ot encode? or decode?
[06:37:49] <A-L-P-H-A> for mysql? or just in general?
[06:38:06] <fenn> well.. what this code does it takes a :) and turns it into a picture
[06:38:17] <fenn> :) and :( work fine
[06:38:25] <fenn> er.. :D and :( work i mean
[06:38:30] <A-L-P-H-A> but not :)
[06:38:42] <A-L-P-H-A> could do it as characters.
[06:38:54] <A-L-P-H-A> ascii characters...
[06:39:06] <A-L-P-H-A> or "addslashes" "stripslashes"
[06:39:15] <weyland> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY fafnir
[06:39:26] <weyland> oops
[06:39:28] <A-L-P-H-A> weyland, stop stalking.
[06:39:33] <weyland> hahaha
[06:40:20] <fenn> http://pastebin.com/298790
[06:41:40] <weyland> hey is cradek still awake?
[06:41:51] <A-L-P-H-A> try " instead of '
[06:41:57] <A-L-P-H-A> weyland prod him, and see.
[06:42:12] <A-L-P-H-A> I suggest the favourite, /ctcp cradek page technique.
[06:42:14] <weyland> cradek: prod
[06:42:22] <fenn> where do i put " instead of ' ?
[06:43:07] <A-L-P-H-A> http://pastebin.com/298792
[06:43:10] <A-L-P-H-A> that _should_ work.
[06:44:08] <fenn> oh heh
[06:44:31] <A-L-P-H-A> did it?
[06:44:37] <fenn> no
[06:44:47] <fenn> it's weird that :( works but :) doesnt
[06:45:03] <A-L-P-H-A> what is using $facemark_rules
[06:45:11] <fenn> my wiki
[06:45:23] <A-L-P-H-A> as in how...
[06:45:26] <fenn> dunno what's calling it
[06:45:30] <A-L-P-H-A> pregreg stuff?
[06:45:36] <A-L-P-H-A> regex
[06:45:55] <fenn> i'll paste the whole file if you want
[06:47:37] <fenn> well, the file didn't really contain any useful info
[06:52:33] <fenn> ah it was because it was the first entry on a line, which is where formatting symbols usually go
[06:52:39] <fenn> so it got processed differently
[06:53:14] <A-L-P-H-A> what about "\s(\:))" <-- doesn't look like it'll work.
[06:55:14] <fenn> no.. the problem was somewhere else
[06:55:35] <A-L-P-H-A> so fixed?
[06:56:00] <fenn> yeah
[06:56:03] <A-L-P-H-A> cool
[06:56:13] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/wiki/?Test
[06:57:35] <A-L-P-H-A> :) and :( didn't do anything.
[06:57:40] <fenn> look at the source
[06:57:54] <fenn> it's because they're the first character in a line
[06:58:01] <A-L-P-H-A> oh
[06:58:07] <A-L-P-H-A> you want that?
[06:58:19] <fenn> no.. but it's good enough for me
[06:58:58] <fenn> ~:) works
[06:58:59] <A-L-P-H-A> oh................... that felt good. just cracked my back.
[07:00:54] <fenn> man icewm just walks all over KDE
[07:01:34] <fenn> only thing it needs is an automatic menu creator that works right
[07:08:27] <Jymmmm> G'Night Folks!
[07:08:30] <A-L-P-H-A> night
[07:08:33] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, really?
[07:08:38] <A-L-P-H-A> hard to install?
[07:10:21] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: need some basic knowledge of linux.. but, it's about 50x faster in all operations
[07:10:29] <fenn> i use most of the kde components with it still
[07:10:48] <fenn> apt-get install icewm
[07:10:54] <fenn> switchdesk icewm
[07:11:03] <fenn> er.. switchdesk is a redhat thing
[07:11:57] <A-L-P-H-A> cool.
[07:12:17] <A-L-P-H-A> I cant seem to find some screens of it
[07:13:32] <fenn> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/primeice/ <- my favorite theme
[07:14:48] <fenn> for some of the themes on freshmeat.net you have to apply a bunch of poorly-written patches
[07:14:55] <A-L-P-H-A> everything is timing out on me.
[07:14:59] <A-L-P-H-A> I think my dns server is fucked.
[07:15:20] <fenn> weird
[07:15:25] <A-L-P-H-A> it's my dns server.
[07:15:31] <A-L-P-H-A> it'll be done for a little while now. fack.
[07:15:46] <A-L-P-H-A> what's irc.freenode.org's ip, just encase I disappear.
[07:16:00] <A-L-P-H-A> i got a bunch. nm.
[07:17:20] <fenn> heh can't you find another dns server
[07:17:44] <A-L-P-H-A> ISP assigns me one.
[07:17:48] <A-L-P-H-A> what can I do?
[07:17:57] <A-L-P-H-A> plus my router handles it all
[07:18:25] <fenn> 66.36.247.82
[07:18:28] <fenn> dnsreport.com
[07:19:00] <A-L-P-H-A> dns backup
[07:19:06] <fenn> nm that site sucks
[07:19:27] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... that's okay... that theme.
[07:19:45] <fenn> i like it because it looks good at low resolution
[07:19:55] <fenn> most themes have too much texturing going on
[07:21:55] <A-L-P-H-A> do I tinker with the system to see if I can get a faster period, or a faster acceleration rate?
[07:23:57] <fenn> what's accel right now?
[07:24:19] <A-L-P-H-A> not accel, velocity sorry
[07:24:23] <fenn> too much accel and your machine will be bouncing around
[07:24:44] <A-L-P-H-A> right now I have vel and acc set to be the same.
[07:25:02] <fenn> 1? 20?
[07:25:28] <A-L-P-H-A> http://pastebin.com/298798 this
[07:25:42] <A-L-P-H-A> going to test 0.000020 period right now
[07:27:14] <A-L-P-H-A> rtai is coded to be 0.000024
[07:27:16] <A-L-P-H-A> can't change that
[07:28:36] <fenn> so 50000 cycles/sec * 1 step/cycle * 1/12800 in/step = 3.906 in/sec theoretical
[07:29:08] <A-L-P-H-A> No way.
[07:29:15] <fenn> if your motors can keep up
[07:29:16] <A-L-P-H-A> 234.36 inch/min.
[07:29:38] <A-L-P-H-A> 41666 cycles/sec
[07:29:57] <A-L-P-H-A> 3.2552083333333333333333333333333 in/sec... that's FAST.
[07:30:07] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't be that my machine could handle that at all.
[07:30:28] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.000024 period = 41.6k hz.
[07:30:35] <fenn> what's the table travel again?
[07:30:44] <A-L-P-H-A> 28" x 8" x 3.5"
[07:31:20] <fenn> * fenn digs up some physics equations
[07:31:45] <fenn> amazing how calculus just falls right out of your brain if you don't use it
[07:32:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I failed calculas, and I'm a math major. hahahhaaha
[07:32:04] <A-L-P-H-A> that's so sad.
[07:32:08] <A-L-P-H-A> I did eventually pass it.
[07:33:10] <A-L-P-H-A> see, I wouldn't mind knowing how these Periods and cycle times, actualy equate to each other.
[07:33:45] <A-L-P-H-A> oh. wait.
[07:33:51] <fenn> you just gotta know the units
[07:34:14] <fenn> and you seem to think about velocity and accel backwards
[07:34:16] <A-L-P-H-A> 4166.66 hz per step x 1/12800 steps = 0.32552083333333333333333333333333 "/sec
[07:34:28] <A-L-P-H-A> you did it differently.
[07:34:52] <fenn> 12800 steps/inch right?
[07:34:52] <A-L-P-H-A> cause each axis cycle is 0.00024 not 0.000024
[07:34:55] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah
[07:35:11] <fenn> .00024? that sucks
[07:35:36] <fenn> get an old computer, it won't let you down
[07:35:54] <A-L-P-H-A> well. that's the cycle time.
[07:36:07] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek told me to do it as 10x the period.
[07:36:22] <fenn> cycle time is the "slow" loop.. used for trajectory planning and such
[07:36:47] <A-L-P-H-A> how does one get cpu information from the cli?
[07:37:03] <fenn> bunch of stuff in /usr/realtime/testsuite
[07:37:13] <fenn> er, do you mean realtime stuff?
[07:37:25] <A-L-P-H-A> kinda
[07:37:32] <A-L-P-H-A> like cpu speed, memory, hdspace.
[07:37:58] <fenn> "top" is good for most stuff
[07:38:33] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.00024 x 12800 = 3.072
[07:38:36] <fenn> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:38:38] <A-L-P-H-A> top - 03:37:09 up 6:11, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[07:38:38] <A-L-P-H-A> Tasks: 54 total, 1 running, 53 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
[07:38:38] <A-L-P-H-A> Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 100.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si
[07:38:38] <A-L-P-H-A> Mem: 515432k total, 110524k used, 404908k free, 12236k buffers
[07:38:38] <A-L-P-H-A> Swap: 1044184k total, 0k used, 1044184k free, 72232k cached
[07:39:16] <fenn> heh my 900 mhz duron is running at 1200 mhz without me even telling it to
[07:39:44] <A-L-P-H-A> under [task] cycle_time what does that mean througput?
[07:40:33] <fenn> i dont see that
[07:40:51] <A-L-P-H-A> page 49 of the integrators book
[07:41:00] <A-L-P-H-A> line 84 in my config.ini
[07:41:25] <A-L-P-H-A> what is EMCTASK?
[07:42:53] <fenn> fuck if i know
[07:43:10] <fenn> it's something between the "interpreter" and the "motion planner"
[07:43:38] <fenn> i think it turns g-code into really simple commands maybe
[07:44:20] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah know... a flow chart of the system would be REALLY nice right about now
[07:44:33] <fenn> i got one.. hold on
[07:44:38] <fenn> this is emc2 or emc1?
[07:44:48] <A-L-P-H-A> emc1
[07:45:18] <A-L-P-H-A> see I tried changing period to 0.000020, but RTAI spat out some error saying it's switching it back to 0.000024 as that's what it was set to.
[07:45:28] <A-L-P-H-A> so I can't even override that.
[07:45:57] <A-L-P-H-A> I wonder if paul_c will come out with a BDI for EMC2.
[07:46:31] <fenn> http://localhost.localdomain/wiki/index.php?EMC%20Documentation click on the "EMC Control LG" at the bottom o the page
[07:46:47] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn. I would.
[07:46:51] <A-L-P-H-A> but look at the link.
[07:46:52] <fenn> s/localhost.localdomain/fenn.dyndns.org
[07:47:38] <A-L-P-H-A> http://fenn.dyndns.org/wiki/index.php?EMC%20Documentation
[07:48:27] <A-L-P-H-A> ahh
[07:48:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I see
[07:49:01] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm...
[07:49:27] <A-L-P-H-A> lets see what happens if I shrink the cycle_time down by half, and make the velocity doubled.
[07:50:49] <A-L-P-H-A> lets see
[07:52:57] <fenn> arg i'm never gonna get this documentation put together
[07:57:48] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm.
[07:57:51] <A-L-P-H-A> seems to have worked.
[07:57:55] <A-L-P-H-A> or at least it's not erroring out
[07:58:18] <A-L-P-H-A> http://pastebin.com/298811
[07:58:45] <A-L-P-H-A> 31.2 ipm for X+Y ain't to bad.
[07:58:55] <fenn> btw why are you using keystick?
[07:59:06] <A-L-P-H-A> I thought it may allow me to go faster.
[07:59:49] <fenn> i think.. when the RT processes use up all the cpu time, user-space stuff like KDE just locks up for a bit
[08:00:02] <fenn> or goes slowly
[08:00:08] <A-L-P-H-A> goes very slowly.
[08:00:14] <A-L-P-H-A> kedit freezes 25% of the time.
[08:00:15] <A-L-P-H-A> heh
[08:00:28] <A-L-P-H-A> k, maybe I'll go axis-1.0
[08:00:39] <fenn> good luck
[08:00:42] <A-L-P-H-A> why?
[08:00:50] <fenn> shrug.. never worked right for me
[08:00:55] <A-L-P-H-A> oh
[08:01:15] <fenn> i like the idea.. but it locks up when i try to run it
[08:01:24] <fenn> i need to clean the dust off that computer i think
[08:01:27] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek, and jepler will help :D hehe
[08:01:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I wonder what les, paul and other are using.
[08:03:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I really don't think linux is good for people with ADHD or ADD.
[08:03:55] <A-L-P-H-A> bbiab. food. hungry.
[08:04:01] <fenn> yes.. those people need to take up rock-climbing
[08:04:11] <fenn> :)
[08:27:06] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, I have.
[08:27:19] <A-L-P-H-A> climbing gear all over my room.
[08:28:16] <A-L-P-H-A> bouldering mat, 11mm dia x 100m rope, harness, carribeaners, etc...
[09:13:17] <anonimasu> good morning everyone
[09:16:44] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[09:16:52] <anonimasu> I am so fscking tired of this damn bug in emc2
[09:21:39] <asdfqwega> which one?
[09:22:17] <anonimasu> the one that causes the ui to lock up during mode change
[09:26:01] <anonimasu> :(
[09:26:21] <fenn> rofl..
http://www.linuxcnc.org/handbook/fileref/emc/inherits.html
[09:27:48] <anonimasu> I am trying a new emc2
[09:27:52] <anonimasu> to see if it helps
[09:35:08] <anonimasu> :)
[09:35:48] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, it won't. :D
[09:36:01] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: are you sure?
[09:36:16] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, no. I'm just downing your day.
[09:36:28] <anonimasu> * anonimasu pokes A-L-P-H-A in the eye
[09:36:41] <A-L-P-H-A> ohoh! I have another one!!! do it again to the other one this time!
[09:36:47] <anonimasu> oh it's not great already
[09:36:49] <anonimasu> :)
[09:46:01] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[09:46:09] <anonimasu> seems like the newer emc2 is more buggy.
[09:49:17] <anonimasu> I cant get it out of estop
[09:49:18] <anonimasu> :/
[10:06:38] <asdfqwega> paul_c: I have a question about the period setting in BDI-4
[10:07:35] <asdfqwega> Can it be set lower by the .ini, or is it set by compiling RTAI?
[10:07:53] <paul_c> set in the ini
[10:08:32] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c, then how come when I set the period to 0.000020, I get a message setting RTAI is set to 0.000024
[10:08:33] <asdfqwega> jmk was trying to set it lower, and he was getting an error
[10:08:41] <A-L-P-H-A> same.
[10:09:13] <paul_c> check dmesg.
[10:09:13] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega needs to defrag his memory [scratches head]
[10:10:28] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Did you build your panel yet?
[10:11:05] <paul_c> Registered /dev/emc with major 253
[10:11:05] <paul_c> emcmot: SHMEM_KEY = 100
[10:11:05] <paul_c> emcmot: PERIOD = 20000ns
[10:11:05] <paul_c> emcmot: IO_BASE_ADDRESS = 378
[10:11:17] <asdfqwega> Phydbleep: You must have me confused with someone else - I don't currently have a control panel project
[10:11:24] <paul_c> emcmot: initializing freqTask for step/dir
[10:11:24] <paul_c> emcmot: rtaiTickPeriod=24
[10:11:24] <paul_c> emcmot: making freqTask periodic at a rate of 24 ticks or 20114 nanoseconds
[10:11:50] <paul_c> You editing the right ini file ?
[10:12:25] <asdfqwega> Phydbleep: I'm currently working on converting my vertical mill
[10:13:05] <anonimasu> hey paul :) how's things going?
[10:13:40] <asdfqwega> Going things, how are?
[10:14:06] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, I think you're thinking AJ
[10:14:08] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Well, I got the hard mockup for mine done in plywood.. I still need to build the new control board and attach the new display.. :)
[10:14:30] <anonimasu> what kind of buttons did you use?
[10:14:42] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Nope.. I'm thinking asdfqwega.. I sent him buttons to use on his next panel. :)
[10:14:49] <anonimasu> ah ok
[10:14:51] <anonimasu> what kind of buttons?
[10:15:05] <asdfqwega> Pac-man button :)
[10:15:07] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Happs Controls Arcade buttons. :)
[10:15:23] <Phydbleep> In shiny candy-like colors. :)
[10:16:14] <anonimasu> heh ok
[10:16:40] <anonimasu> * anonimasu wants thoose short stroke ones that they use in real machines
[10:16:43] <Phydbleep> I wanted buttons that would drain if they got sprayed full of coolant, soda, oil, blood..
[10:17:00] <anonimasu> yep
[10:17:02] <Phydbleep> You know how some projects go. :)
[10:17:05] <anonimasu> they are sealed :)
[10:17:15] <anonimasu> I have a plc with a panel I am going to use
[10:17:28] <A-L-P-H-A> emcmot: rtaiTickPeriod=29
[10:17:43] <asdfqwega> I also have some of the large red ESTOP variety
[10:17:54] <anonimasu> http://www.sigbi.se/PLC/images/dtc281.gif
[10:18:03] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: You could add 1 silicone o-ring to these and seal the face.
[10:18:05] <A-L-P-H-A> emcmot: making freqTask periodic at a rate of 24 ticks or 20114 nanoseconds
[10:18:17] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c, I got all sorts of things in my dmesg
[10:18:38] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Snazzy. :)
[10:18:45] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: yeah expensive and nice :)
[10:18:49] <A-L-P-H-A> http://pastebin.com/298857 <-- dmesg dump
[10:18:50] <anonimasu> 16 in and 16 out
[10:19:13] <anonimasu> 2 analog inputs
[10:19:16] <anonimasu> and 2 outs :)
[10:20:44] <paul_c> and are you editing 1) The right ini. 2) The correct variable.
[10:21:21] <A-L-P-H-A> http://pastebin.com/298858 <-- my generic.ini file.
[10:21:44] <A-L-P-H-A> well, currently emc RUNS my code... at 30ipm... I don't know if I'm loosing steps or not though.
[10:22:08] <A-L-P-H-A> i.e. I don't know if I my motors will handle it or not.
[10:22:08] <paul_c> Line 132: PERIOD = 0.00024
[10:22:20] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c, yes. but I _did_ have it set to 0.000020.
[10:22:44] <A-L-P-H-A> it has 5 zeros. 0.000024 on line 132.
[10:22:46] <anonimasu> hm, paul_c do you have a clue why this happens
[10:23:23] <Phydbleep> anonimasu:
http://68.35.143.93/lathe/061105001.bmp
[10:23:26] <A-L-P-H-A> I just lowered my cycletime from 0.00024 to 0.00012.
[10:23:39] <anonimasu> /home/an0n/new/emc2/rtlib/hal_lib.o: /home/an0n/new/emc2/rtlib/hal_lib.o: unresolved symbol rtapi_task_start
[10:23:48] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, where are you getting those buttons?
[10:23:49] <anonimasu> ERROR: Could not load 'rtapi'
[10:24:12] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Video game rental/repair place.
[10:24:20] <A-L-P-H-A> cost per button?
[10:24:30] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: where are you at?
[10:24:38] <anonimasu> ah, found out why
[10:24:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm in Toronto... I just curious.
[10:24:42] <A-L-P-H-A> i'm
[10:24:52] <paul_c> anonimasu: That's a problem with emc2 HEAD build - Take it up with jmk.
[10:25:09] <anonimasu> aw�pevnvspdafen9
[10:25:17] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, I remember reading something about a sticky build that works.
[10:26:00] <fenn> kinda works
[10:26:12] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Weyland's
[10:26:17] <paul_c> A-L-P-H-A: I've just tried a run with a different period in my ini file - It is passed to the kernel module correctly.
[10:26:43] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c, okay. I maybe mistaken then... I'll test again, and leave you a note if there is an issue.
[10:26:52] <A-L-P-H-A> I still gotta check to set if the motion is correct.
[10:26:56] <fenn> paul_c: are there any other hexapod kinematics modules besides minitetra.o? i thought for sure there were since it originally ran servos..
[10:27:52] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A:
http://www.yellowpages.ca/searchBusiness.do?action=homeSearch&start=1&srchtype=category&Se=smp&directoryId=093087&provinceId=&cityId=&categoryName=&showMsgBox=1&what=amusement&Dir=093087&sType=simpleSearch&step=find&categoryId=00047600&city=toronto
[10:29:11] <paul_c> fenn: link the *kins.o to emcmot.o in place of trivkins.o
[10:29:44] <paul_c> there are kins.o for hexapod, Puma,, Scara, and a couple more.
[10:30:29] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: I'd try pinball-outlet or toronto coin machine.
[10:30:35] <anonimasu> hm, it seems like the bug has fixed..
[10:30:40] <anonimasu> err has been fixed..
[10:31:33] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Talk to the guys back in the service dept and offer to trade a 12 pack for some of the junque-box. :)
[10:32:29] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: nice buttons
[10:32:30] <anonimasu> :)
[10:35:43] <fenn> i'm guessing genhexkins.o
[10:37:52] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: I need to enlarge the display hole and mount the LCD, then add the jog-wheel and selector buttons in the blank space.
[10:39:35] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is debating whether the jog wheel should free-spin on good bearings or cog via a magnetic coupling...
[10:39:57] <fenn> cog via crappy bearings :)
[10:40:09] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: You work on real machines, How does the wheel move?
[10:40:45] <Phydbleep> fenn: I'd use an old floppy drive stepper for the mag-cog. :)
[10:40:54] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega is installing BDI-4 on some of Phydbleep's 'junque'
[10:41:53] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: That's why it's "junque" and you ended up with it instead of being "junk" and landing in the bin. :)
[10:43:46] <Phydbleep> Anybody with a real machine with a jog wheel?
[10:45:12] <fenn> phydbleep just use a mechanical encoder that cogs once per click
[10:45:57] <Phydbleep> fenn: I can do that with the old stepper and a Schmidt-trigger chip. :)
[10:46:26] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: I dont.. I work with my mill running emc..
[10:47:13] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Well How should the jog wheel move?
[10:47:33] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: the weel should be light to turn but with a bit of resistance..
[10:47:50] <Phydbleep> So minor cogging.
[10:47:57] <asdfqwega> Like scroll wheel of a good mouse
[10:48:47] <anonimasu> yeah.. very minor
[10:48:52] <Phydbleep> So.. Like an old stepper with a 5oz brass knob. :)
[10:48:59] <anonimasu> hehe
[10:49:07] <Phydbleep> s/5/15
[10:49:21] <asdfqwega> Whatever works
[10:49:27] <anonimasu> yeha
[10:49:29] <anonimasu> err yeah
[10:49:51] <fenn> what's that in N*m/cm/sec/sec?
[10:49:55] <Phydbleep> Ah crap.. Texas is contagious..
[10:50:21] <Phydbleep> and it sounds like anonimasu caught it.. :\
[10:50:41] <anonimasu> :(
[10:50:42] <Phydbleep> fenn: Don't drop it on your toes?
[10:50:47] <anonimasu> typospree
[10:51:43] <asdfqwega> Typospree - isn't that something for athlete's foot?
[10:51:43] <jacky^> halo
[10:52:22] <anonimasu> I have no idea about that
[10:52:29] <Phydbleep> So tomorrow I gut the old 5.25" floppy drive for the stepper and build a jog-wheel. :)
[10:53:18] <anonimasu> :)
[10:53:18] <anonimasu> nice
[10:53:20] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: I thought that was the stuff that gets the White-out off the monitor easily.. :)
[10:54:50] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep needs to pick up a 4" dia x 1.5" piece of steel or brass for the knob..
[10:56:58] <fenn> i thought you said "jog wheel" not "handwheel"
[10:57:14] <asdfqwega> Anybody have a use for a Nema 63 1000-oz-in stepper?
[10:57:31] <fenn> probably not
[10:57:44] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Sure, Ship it down here and I'll build something out of it. :)
[10:57:58] <fenn> that sounds kinda big
[10:58:23] <Phydbleep> fenn: So I'll build something big?
[10:58:46] <Phydbleep> fenn: Or something hideously overpowered. :)
[11:00:51] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: What is that, About a 15 pound stepper?
[11:01:14] <fenn> you could make a really big jog wheel out of it
[11:01:14] <asdfqwega> Phydbleep: was your control panel going to interface with emc?
[11:01:21] <asdfqwega> yeah, about that much
[11:01:37] <asdfqwega> Unipolar, 10V, 2 deg/step
[11:02:41] <asdfqwega> Forget handwheel - put it on a exercise bike and generate power
[11:03:12] <fenn> good ol' 4 phase power
[11:03:38] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Eventually it'll tie to the pc/emc2
[11:06:06] <Phydbleep> Crap.. 5AM.. time for me to fall over and try to get some sleep.
[11:06:13] <Phydbleep> G'nite all. :)
[12:08:50] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[12:31:30] <jacky^> hi rayh
[12:36:20] <rayh> Hi jacky^
[12:36:35] <rayh> How are things in Italy today?
[12:55:12] <anonimasu> I found out why I got the error.
[12:55:16] <anonimasu> damn period.
[12:55:22] <anonimasu> err the User interface one..
[12:55:39] <anonimasu> the period was set too low..
[12:55:59] <anonimasu> caused very strange problems.
[12:56:14] <jacky^> ops, i was away from keyb, i'm milling :P
[12:56:28] <anonimasu> maybe I should add a note on the wiki about it
[12:56:33] <jacky^> rayh: nice, alla well
[12:56:46] <rayh> Good to hear that.
[12:57:01] <anonimasu> can anyone remove the item off the bug tracker?
[12:57:04] <jacky^> yeah :)
[12:57:20] <anonimasu> maybe we should add a check to see if period is too low to allow nml messages to get handled..
[12:57:39] <anonimasu> this bug has been killing my parts lately
[12:58:04] <anonimasu> s/bug/feature
[12:58:08] <anonimasu> <- stupid user
[13:21:17] <paul_c> what did you have the GUI cycle time set to ?
[13:50:28] <anonimasu> the same as default
[13:50:36] <anonimasu> hm, my prototype works
[13:50:43] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/fltest.jpg
[13:50:46] <anonimasu> ^_^
[13:50:49] <anonimasu> YAY!
[13:51:30] <anonimasu> paul_c: I can get the gui to work now, but I get ferrors
[13:52:23] <anonimasu> 0.150 right now
[13:52:38] <anonimasu> BASE_PERIOD = 0.0000330
[13:52:46] <paul_c> with emc2 HEAD ?
[13:52:54] <anonimasu> yes
[13:53:03] <anonimasu> oh I changed it to a lower value right now
[13:53:06] <anonimasu> a bit ago..
[13:53:09] <paul_c> nmp. Take it up with jmk.
[13:55:12] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[13:57:07] <anonimasu> hm, now I just need somthing suitable for a membrane
[14:03:02] <anonimasu> www.bojn.net/~an0n/fltest1.jpg
[14:03:56] <anonimasu> well, the problem does not go away.
[14:09:21] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[14:11:37] <anonimasu> nevermind, I found a setting that works, but it's strange that it bugs when you lower the period..
[14:51:45] <rayh> anonimasu: could you describe how your machine misbehaved?
[14:53:18] <anonimasu> rayh: there's a bug report about it
[14:53:26] <anonimasu> the "mode" stops working
[14:56:58] <rayh> mode as in you can not change the machine mode from the gui?
[14:57:03] <anonimasu> yeah
[14:57:11] <anonimasu> it lock up in manual..
[14:57:28] <rayh> Okay. That is quite different from what we were seeing with BDI-4.20
[14:57:48] <rayh> Thanks for the report.
[14:58:19] <anonimasu> the reason for it is when you set the period too low
[15:23:52] <jacky^> what mean the msg: D word with no g41 or g42 ?
[15:24:29] <jacky^> the command was N30 M09
[15:41:47] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has no idea
[15:42:55] <jacky^> i'm tring to setup a cad in section NC Post Output settings , seem very hard :\
[15:43:07] <anonimasu> hm, what program?
[15:43:23] <jacky^> OneCNC Mill professional
[15:43:37] <jacky^> winsoz
[15:44:00] <stevestallings2> stevestallings2 is now known as steves_logging
[15:44:24] <anonimasu> I think they are in the wrong order..
[15:44:25] <anonimasu> :)
[15:44:27] <jacky^> it work but the code it goes to create seem not emc compatible
[15:44:39] <anonimasu> read up on the syntax for g/mcodes
[15:45:24] <jacky^> there are a lot of options, too many for me :\
[15:46:03] <anonimasu> I wish I could afford the pro version
[15:46:07] <anonimasu> it seems like a nice program
[15:46:23] <jacky^> yeah
[15:48:32] <jacky^> i think the problem is in the movements section:
[15:49:10] <jacky^> G00 Code (%G)= G00 are entered
[15:49:15] <jacky^> it's right ?
[16:25:12] <Jymmm> hola cradek
[16:30:51] <anonimasu> hllo jymm
[16:34:33] <dave-e> is paul hiding?
[16:35:17] <paul_c> * paul_c is busy.
[16:35:35] <dave-e> I won't ask doing what :-)
[16:35:52] <dave-e> ray??
[16:38:27] <dave-e> paul - I just tested 4.2 after downloading and burning a cd.
[16:39:14] <dave-e> It inserts the offset when g43 is invoked, not on the next move
[16:39:35] <dave-e> the moves in minus Z with each x move.
[16:39:58] <dave-e> so the build you are using is different than the standard distro
[16:41:54] <rayh> Hi Dave.
[16:41:57] <dave-e> ...then moves minus in Z with each x move
[16:42:00] <dave-e> hi ray
[16:43:55] <rayh> I was under the impression that the g43 set the offset as soon as it saw it.
[16:44:06] <dave-e> guess we'll maybe get to build both emc1 and emc2 for the vital board at fest. ;-)
[16:44:08] <rayh> It didn't move the axis until you set a z position.
[16:44:33] <rayh> But you are saying that it adds the z offset each move after g43
[16:44:45] <rayh> That sounds like a task problem.
[16:44:53] <jacky^> i tried to generate a g-code file with a cad, the second line is N20 M05 G40 G49 G80
[16:45:20] <dave-e> adds z offset to z with each x move
[16:45:33] <rayh> Cause the interp does not know anything about tool length.
[16:45:35] <jacky^> emc stop with an error message: D word with no g41 or 42
[16:45:42] <paul_c> G43H2 sets on offset - If you have tkemc in Relative mode, it shows up immediately.
[16:45:48] <jacky^> anyone know ?
[16:45:51] <paul_c> BUT no motion takes place .
[16:45:57] <dave-e> opps...lets try that again...let me got play a bit
[16:46:09] <dave-e> paul...yes that is true
[16:46:12] <paul_c> Use machine
[16:46:17] <dave-e> OK
[16:46:32] <dave-e> I'll go play a bit....in machine
[16:46:34] <paul_c> jacky^: M09 is coolant OFF
[16:46:37] <dave-e> brb
[16:46:39] <rayh> jacky^: send the next few lines also.
[16:46:47] <jacky^> ok
[16:46:55] <jacky^> N30 M09
[16:47:17] <jacky^> N40 T5 G43 H5 D5(10 MM END MILL)
[16:47:32] <jacky^> N50 M06
[16:47:35] <paul_c> ^^
[16:48:10] <paul_c> you ned a G42 or G43 on the same line as the D5
[16:48:24] <rayh> That looks pretty badly mixed up.
[16:48:38] <paul_c> N40 T5 G43 H5 G42 D5(10 MM END MILL)
[16:48:55] <jacky^> thanks a lot
[16:49:32] <rayh> I saw an m80 in there before. Unless you change that to g0, g1, g2 or g3 you will get no motion.
[16:49:34] <paul_c> but you don't have an M06 to go with the T5
[16:50:14] <jacky^> :\
[16:50:21] <jacky^> ill'try
[16:51:08] <dave-e> OK... set machine
[16:51:17] <dave-e> now g43 h1
[16:51:28] <dave-e> g1 x 1
[16:51:45] <dave-e> ... g1 x 1 x = 1 z = -2
[16:51:54] <jacky^> i have in the Rapid line format of the NC Post output setting %G%X%Y%Z%F this shoul be right ?
[16:52:25] <dave-e> opps start over.... can't type
[16:52:42] <jacky^> same line also in Feed line format
[16:53:00] <dave-e> if I move in x then z increments by the tool length offset every move
[16:53:17] <dave-e> acts the same with Y
[16:54:08] <dave-e> and did not reset by tool length when g49 was issued
[16:55:35] <SWPadnos> logger_aj, bookmark
[16:55:35] <SWPadnos> See
http://193.226.12.129/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2005-06-11#T16-55-35
[16:56:15] <paul_c> update from CVS and rebuild. Z does not move for me.
[16:57:00] <dave-e> thanks paul...thought that was the cure....so I need to add the rest of the dev tools to the install before I can build?
[16:57:49] <paul_c> It's all on the CD. Just follow the instructions on the wiki
[16:57:59] <dave-e> OK
[16:58:48] <dave-e> catch you later, thanks
[17:24:34] <robin_sz> meep?
[17:24:45] <jacky^> hi robin_sz
[17:24:50] <robin_sz> hey
[17:25:29] <robin_sz> * robin_sz spots some *nice* servos on ebay
[17:36:38] <SWPadnos> hiya folks, how are things?
[17:46:41] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[17:48:02] <SWPadnos> that good, huh?
[17:48:08] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[17:48:19] <SWPadnos> that bad, huh?
[17:48:58] <A-L-P-H-A> sure.
[17:49:07] <A-L-P-H-A> gotta just pick up this girl later this afternoon.
[17:49:16] <A-L-P-H-A> so leaves me no time to really do much
[17:49:40] <SWPadnos> some would consider going somewhere with a girl "doing much" :)
[17:50:20] <A-L-P-H-A> well, it's like, chill with her, shop, bbq at a friends house, poker with her, and then take her home.
[17:50:38] <SWPadnos> it's still something - have fun
[17:50:39] <A-L-P-H-A> but as for completing my own stuff, it doesn't leave that much time.
[17:50:47] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, did I tell you?
[17:50:48] <SWPadnos> no - I know the feeling
[17:50:53] <SWPadnos> no
[17:51:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I increased the speed a bit?
[17:51:12] <SWPadnos> found a spindle?
[17:51:29] <A-L-P-H-A> 31.5ipm? Or at least emc doesn't puke out with a following error when I changed the settings.
[17:51:30] <SWPadnos> nevermind - what was wrong?
[17:52:33] <A-L-P-H-A> period = 0.000024. cycle_time for each of the axis is 0.00012, and doubled my velocity speeds.
[17:52:51] <A-L-P-H-A> http://pastebin.com/298980 <-- generic.ini
[17:52:58] <SWPadnos> ah - what was cycle_time before?
[17:53:05] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.00024
[17:53:14] <SWPadnos> hm - interesting
[17:53:33] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, though!!!! I haven't measured the results yet.
[17:53:36] <dmess> high all...
[17:53:47] <A-L-P-H-A> so I couldn't say my machine is running correctly at all.
[17:53:54] <A-L-P-H-A> hi dmess.
[17:53:56] <SWPadnos> hi there - turn any big tubes recently? :)
[17:54:41] <dmess> whats your machine doing ALPHA
[17:54:46] <SWPadnos> I'm looking for affordable NEMA L16-20 plugs and receptacles
[17:54:52] <SWPadnos> tough going
[17:55:11] <A-L-P-H-A> dmess, uh... sitting. while it should be calibrating.
[17:55:21] <A-L-P-H-A> wished I had linear scales.
[17:55:43] <dmess> hmm why sitting..??
[17:56:47] <jacky^> ciao A-L-P-H-A :-)
[17:56:49] <A-L-P-H-A> working on emc's period stuff.
[17:57:34] <dmess> i see... so non timeline moving stuff is interfering with the time line
[18:01:58] <A-L-P-H-A> 6hrs sleep is not going to do me. nap time
[18:16:40] <Jymmm> sounds confusing to me.
[18:22:58] <jacky^> :(����������
[18:25:43] <Jymmm> I'm tyring to figure out how they get a workbench out of this
http://www.orchardsupplyhardware.com/SinglePage.aspx?fsi=4492&loc=50707&ver=AP-N_NO_NT&pg=281364&ad=4888710
[18:26:39] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, 2 things.
[18:26:48] <SWPadnos> one, buy it at Costco - it's $62
[18:27:27] <SWPadnos> two, to make a workbench, you assemble the two halves side-by-side, rather than vertically (as shown)
[18:27:46] <Jymmm> 96" wide
[18:28:11] <SWPadnos> yes, or 36" deep
[18:28:27] <SWPadnos> make that 48 - these are the deep ones
[18:28:42] <dmess> a few milk crate some 2 x 6's and a bunc a tie wraps would emulate it well...
[18:29:12] <Jymmm> dmess : I got your milk crate right here -->
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?ec=BC-EC1423-Cat20595&pos=0&whse=&topnav=&prodid=11006395
[18:29:13] <SWPadnos> milk crates + old fire door = excellent workbench :)
[18:29:22] <dmess> si
[18:30:54] <dmess> 2 stolen saw horses and the neighbours garage door i was supposed to fix for him... 3 yrs ago.. new guy there now.. doesnt i have the door to his garage..
[18:30:58] <Jymmm> SWPadnos I can't find it at costco.com
[18:31:16] <SWPadnos> go to costco.warehouse near you :)
[18:31:16] <dmess> know i have
[18:31:16] <Jymmm> dmess lol
[18:31:57] <dmess> im an asshole... im not giving up my outdoor gardening bench table..
[18:32:22] <Jymmm> dmess just hope he doesn't find out and decide to drive thru HIS garage door.
[18:33:30] <dmess> its at the back of the propoerty hed hit the creek NEXT... it might be wort the video tape.. ; )===~~~
[18:33:53] <dmess> no he bought the house as is
[18:35:35] <dmess> well i gotta pervert a bbq from natural gas o propane to cook supper...wish me luck.. if you dont hear back from me call GHOSTBUSTER's cause 911 will be no good to me...
[18:36:02] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:36:22] <anonimasu> iab, bbq grills are indeed deadly
[18:37:00] <dmess> i have the conversion kit... but no instructions.. HEE ha..
[18:37:14] <dmess> fre to a good home..
[18:37:29] <dmess> l8r
[18:50:08] <robin_sz> meep?
[18:50:58] <robin_sz> where was I ...
[18:51:12] <robin_sz> oh yes, some really nice servos on ebay ...
[18:51:18] <robin_sz> I'm having those :)
[18:53:13] <SWPadnos> ebay.co.uk, or .com?
[18:54:34] <robin_sz> SWPadnos: .co.uk
[18:55:03] <SWPadnos> ah
[18:55:08] <robin_sz> they are nice and new .. with epicyclic boxes too :)
[18:55:33] <SWPadnos> I have a "servo motors" favorite search, and I didn't see anything too exciting in the last few days
[18:56:37] <robin_sz> well, they look nice to me ... I have nerver managed to get an real servos, so this could be the start of my edventures without steppes :)
[19:01:40] <anonimasu> robin_sz: didnt you advocate how good steppers were?
[19:01:41] <anonimasu> :D
[19:03:14] <robin_sz> yes
[19:03:17] <robin_sz> and I still do
[19:03:52] <SWPadnos> unless servos are cheap :)
[19:04:05] <robin_sz> ahh, bugger .. these have no encoders
[19:04:16] <robin_sz> sigh
[19:04:29] <SWPadnos> heh - always something
[19:04:35] <robin_sz> yeah
[19:04:38] <SWPadnos> they're fairly low power
[19:04:42] <robin_sz> but, it might still be a godd buy
[19:04:45] <robin_sz> good
[19:05:15] <robin_sz> only 100w, but thats enough for many applications
[19:05:33] <SWPadnos> true
[19:05:54] <SWPadnos> the max speed from the gearbox will be roughly 110 RPM
[19:05:58] <anonimasu> robin_sz: sounds to me like you cant afford servos :)
[19:06:05] <SWPadnos> thogh with pretty good torwue
[19:06:14] <SWPadnos> torque
[19:06:16] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[19:06:25] <anonimasu> I wish I could afford good gearboxes :D
[19:06:34] <anonimasu> but they cost more then my servos :)
[19:06:38] <robin_sz> anonimasu: probably not .. but, hey, I'll see how these go
[19:06:46] <SWPadnos> and *way* more than my servos
[19:07:23] <anonimasu> :)
[19:08:06] <SWPadnos> I have a few 50 oz-in servos - I was thinking of using a gearbox on one and motorizing a rotary table
[19:08:15] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[19:08:23] <robin_sz> my other search is for a vcuum pump
[19:08:27] <robin_sz> vacuum pump
[19:08:38] <SWPadnos> but I'd end up with like 10 million counts per revolution :)
[19:08:45] <robin_sz> I feel the need for a sheet loader for the laser
[19:08:50] <anonimasu> is that really so horrid?
[19:09:03] <robin_sz> vacuum pads and a pump seem to be the answer
[19:09:13] <SWPadnos> me? yes - it is horrid
[19:09:32] <robin_sz> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=633&item=7521620557&rd=1
[19:09:41] <robin_sz> think this will be up to the job?
[19:09:51] <jacky^> * jacky^ shake the head on the wall - ghghghghg....
[19:10:19] <anonimasu> nice pump
[19:10:22] <robin_sz> its about 1.1hp
[19:10:35] <jacky^> s.o.s ! help ! :\
[19:11:03] <SWPadnos> and the problem is ... ?
[19:11:06] <robin_sz> 27m3 hr
[19:11:22] <robin_sz> 0.5m / minute?
[19:11:37] <anonimasu> robin_sz: well, a good vaccum pump will cost you
[19:11:48] <robin_sz> well, I dont need a good pump
[19:11:53] <SWPadnos> that's not bad - but the motor has a terrible power factor
[19:12:09] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: um, 320v 1a?
[19:12:13] <robin_sz> I only need to acheive 0.5 bar
[19:12:18] <anonimasu> or 2a or what it was..
[19:12:31] <anonimasu> hm, I have no idea how much vaccum that is
[19:12:37] <robin_sz> I have good pumps when I need to go low :)
[19:12:38] <jacky^> don't know how to setup NC ouput setting :(
[19:12:43] <SWPadnos> what - where? (320V 1A)
[19:12:50] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: the motor..
[19:12:52] <robin_sz> anonimasu: half of normal atmospheirc pressure
[19:12:58] <SWPadnos> it's 3 phase
[19:13:05] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: yes?
[19:13:10] <robin_sz> that pump goes to 0.15 bar, more than good enough
[19:13:27] <robin_sz> I have good pumps that go to 0.003bar
[19:13:34] <robin_sz> but very low flow
[19:13:54] <SWPadnos> but cos(phi) is 0.6. I'm assuming that's the phase angle, so the PF would be (... something ...)
[19:14:09] <robin_sz> mm, pf is 0.6
[19:14:28] <SWPadnos> ah - is it that direct ?
[19:14:30] <robin_sz> phi would be about 70 degrees
[19:14:40] <SWPadnos> where did the 320V 1A come from?
[19:14:52] <robin_sz> no idea
[19:14:53] <anonimasu> it was 2a...
[19:14:54] <anonimasu> I think
[19:15:02] <jacky^> hey guys, could you help me ?
[19:15:07] <robin_sz> 2.65 @ 415v
[19:15:17] <anonimasu> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7521620557&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
[19:15:24] <robin_sz> sure, sate your problem
[19:15:30] <SWPadnos> state, then sate
[19:15:35] <anonimasu> 340v 2,56a
[19:15:55] <anonimasu> err typo 4.65..
[19:15:58] <SWPadnos> anyway - 0.6 PF isn't too good
[19:16:01] <anonimasu> and 346v..
[19:16:07] <robin_sz> 240v 4.6A or 415v, 2.65A
[19:16:15] <robin_sz> not caring :)
[19:16:31] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:16:35] <anonimasu> 150mbar
[19:16:36] <anonimasu> :)
[19:16:51] <robin_sz> right, it will be mine :)
[19:16:54] <SWPadnos> here's a cool motor:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7522207178
[19:17:01] <SWPadnos> at least - most of one :)
[19:18:00] <SWPadnos> oh - unless the shiny part is the rotor - now that would be cool
[19:18:14] <jacky^> 2i'm in General settings Coordinate values: Absolute is checked Incremental not, it's right ?
[19:18:42] <robin_sz> yeah, that is complete
[19:18:46] <anonimasu> very cute motor
[19:18:53] <robin_sz> integral gearbox
[19:18:59] <robin_sz> and he has the drive too
[19:19:30] <anonimasu> damn..
[19:19:34] <anonimasu> I want that rotary motor.
[19:19:47] <robin_sz> the pinion bolts to the end on those 6 holes
[19:19:57] <robin_sz> it has an integral palnetary reduction
[19:20:13] <SWPadnos> that might make a nice knee drive. hmmm
[19:20:19] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:20:22] <anonimasu> for a nice little robot
[19:20:29] <robin_sz> it would work best on a low inertia system
[19:20:35] <robin_sz> it will be very responsive
[19:20:39] <SWPadnos> well - forget you saw it :)
[19:20:50] <anonimasu> are you buying it?
[19:21:00] <anonimasu> damn you
[19:21:06] <SWPadnos> I may - the guy is also selling the matching drive
[19:21:25] <jmkasunich> seems a waste to use something like that for a knee drive
[19:21:26] <SWPadnos> I've been looking for a knee motor for a long time
[19:21:36] <SWPadnos> heh - cheap though (maybe)
[19:21:37] <anonimasu> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=78195&item=7522351916&rd=1
[19:21:55] <anonimasu> :)
[19:21:55] <jmkasunich> 6 days to go... it won't be cheap by the end of the auction
[19:22:01] <anonimasu> if I could get another one.
[19:22:12] <anonimasu> that's the kind of servos I want
[19:22:45] <jmkasunich> SWP: you need servo for your knee, or stepper OK
[19:23:00] <anonimasu> hey jmk
[19:23:04] <SWPadnos> the power must bepretty low - the output shaft on the reducer is only 3/8 " diameter
[19:23:23] <anonimasu> the motor I pasted?
[19:23:35] <SWPadnos> I prefer servo, since my other mtors are also servos
[19:23:38] <SWPadnos> yes
[19:23:41] <anonimasu> heh
[19:23:44] <anonimasu> 5kw peak..
[19:23:45] <jmkasunich> I have a 840 oz-in NEMA 42 stepper, 1.45V at 15A, could be rewired in bipolar parallel for 2.90V 7.5A, good fit for a gecko
[19:23:46] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:23:46] <robin_sz> wow, up to 225ft lb output torque
[19:23:58] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: yeah, small output
[19:24:12] <anonimasu> 1.6 continous..
[19:24:25] <anonimasu> err 1.3..�
[19:24:49] <SWPadnos> 1.3 lb-ft continuous?
[19:24:55] <anonimasu> no.
[19:24:58] <anonimasu> 1.3kw
[19:25:01] <dmess> situation positive.... FUBAR.. but it works fine..
[19:25:32] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: that's a powerful servo :)
[19:25:36] <SWPadnos> did you look up the manufacturer's specs?
[19:25:51] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: did you read the text on the auction?
[19:26:04] <robin_sz> ive seen thes used on newer big lasers
[19:26:15] <robin_sz> big pinion direect mounted,
[19:26:18] <anonimasu> yep
[19:26:22] <robin_sz> driving onto a rack
[19:26:39] <anonimasu> with inertia matching on a machine that motor would run as fast as you could command it..
[19:26:48] <robin_sz> yep
[19:26:51] <jmkasunich> use it for the elbow or maybe even shoulder joint on a robot arm
[19:26:59] <robin_sz> modern lasers run up to 200m/minute
[19:27:02] <anonimasu> err 600rpm after the gearbox...
[19:27:08] <SWPadnos> brushless = expensive drive though (unless Rutex has their drive available now)
[19:27:21] <robin_sz> mmm, the loadings are not up to a robot arm
[19:27:34] <jmkasunich> didn't somebody say 225 ft-lb?
[19:27:38] <robin_sz> yep
[19:27:39] <dmess> who could dream up an ariticulating shot peener...
[19:27:49] <robin_sz> but thats output torque
[19:28:06] <robin_sz> robot arms exert mor than just torque loading
[19:28:12] <dmess> or deburing machine..
[19:28:17] <jmkasunich> sure, you won't be picking up bricks with it... but for light stuff (desktop robot arm, not heavy industry)
[19:28:29] <alex_joni> greetings
[19:28:34] <jmkasunich> hi alex
[19:28:38] <jacky^> hey alex_joni
[19:28:40] <anonimasu> hi alex
[19:28:41] <dmess> aloha...
[19:28:42] <alex_joni> hey John
[19:28:48] <alex_joni> et al.
[19:28:48] <robin_sz> I'd guess it make 1500 total with the drive
[19:29:01] <robin_sz> time to go and play lasers, later guys :)
[19:29:04] <alex_joni> what's up?
[19:29:05] <anonimasu> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71395&item=7522212145&rd=1
[19:29:11] <dmess> thats HOW .. in native
[19:29:12] <alex_joni> bye robin_sz
[19:29:14] <anonimasu> alex_joni: just talking crap ;)
[19:29:22] <alex_joni> so the usual, right?
[19:29:26] <alex_joni> :)
[19:29:26] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:31:16] <SWPadnos> ok - 9.1 inch-pounds continuous
[19:31:50] <alex_joni> got a new baby SWPadnos ?
[19:32:12] <SWPadnos> heh - not me, man!
[19:32:23] <SWPadnos> gotta run and pick up the wife - wee you guys laer
[19:32:25] <SWPadnos> later
[19:32:27] <SWPadnos> see
[19:32:30] <SWPadnos> see later
[19:32:31] <SWPadnos> guys
[19:32:33] <SWPadnos> ugh
[19:32:35] <alex_joni> bye
[19:32:38] <alex_joni> ;)
[19:58:23] <Jymmm> Ug Ug Ug
[19:58:52] <alex_joni> looky people, it started to talk
[19:58:58] <alex_joni> if you can call it that
[19:58:58] <jacky^> cough !
[20:00:15] <Jymmm> what talked?
[20:00:33] <alex_joni> [22:56] <Jymmm> Ug Ug Ug
[20:00:49] <Jymmm> ah, well I have a headache
[20:00:57] <alex_joni> :)
[20:01:08] <jacky^> 21:56
[20:01:44] <Jymmm> I'm tossing the router and the shopvac in the closet to see what kind of sound prrofing I get
[20:02:20] <Jymmm> closet door plus 2" EPS, no change. w/ 4" of EPS it improved, but not all that much
[20:03:13] <Jymmm> maybe 1.5" and 3" respectivly
[20:03:24] <Jymmm> closet door is hollow
[20:04:06] <Jymmm> I do have a piece of 3/4" MDF about 2x3 ft I could stick in front of the closet door and see if that makes a difference
[20:10:52] <rayh> One of the best ways to prevent sound transmission is to alternate layers of different density.
[20:11:16] <Jymmm> rayh : You know, that's what I thought. But les was saying otherwise.
[20:11:32] <rayh> Also having slight angles between parallel layers in air work rather well.
[20:11:39] <rayh> I saw that and bit my lip.
[20:11:58] <rayh> I've built a few sound studios and tv studios in my former life.
[20:12:08] <Jymmm> rayh Yep, I thought that as well... to prevent the sound from having a striaght path
[20:12:22] <alex_joni> hey rayh
[20:12:37] <rayh> That is why they slope the windows between studio and control.
[20:12:51] <rayh> Hi Alex.
[20:12:54] <Jymmm> rayh so the window doesnt act like a speaker cone?
[20:13:14] <rayh> Right. So that one pane of glass does not drive the other.
[20:13:37] <Jymmm> rayh I was thinking MDF and carpet madding snadwiched together
[20:13:41] <Jymmm> padding
[20:13:53] <rayh> There is a difference though between sound absorbing and sound transmission.
[20:14:15] <Jymmm> rayh Thats what les was saying, but I think I overloaded his brain that day
[20:14:40] <Jymmm> well absorbtion and containment is what were wear talking about
[20:14:58] <Jymmm> les was pushing towards containment, I rather have absorbtion
[20:15:18] <Jymmm> assuming that would yield better results.
[20:15:33] <jmkasunich> containment only works if you can contain it completely
[20:16:20] <rayh> phone brb
[20:16:22] <Jymmm> k
[20:16:50] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Well, I'll have a couple doors with plexiglass in them + two vac hoses
[20:18:03] <CIA-12> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/configs/emc.ini: changed shared memory key used by motion controller, to avoid possible collisions with emc1
[20:18:17] <asdfqwega> [Rayh must secretly work as a MS tech-support operator....]
[20:18:22] <Jymmm> But I dont want to sit around buying different materials just to test their acustic properties
[20:18:44] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: close
[20:18:48] <Jymmm> asdfqwega whys that?
[20:18:50] <alex_joni> emc tech-support ;)
[20:18:59] <alex_joni> Jymmm: he's always on the phone
[20:19:04] <alex_joni> yo weyland
[20:19:19] <alex_joni> fixed your problems?
[20:19:20] <weyland> hey there~!
[20:19:28] <weyland> kinda sorta not really yes
[20:19:36] <alex_joni> what's still bugging?
[20:19:38] <Jymmm> No, No, No, that's rayh 1-900-Hot-Babe line @ $399/min
[20:19:39] <weyland> me
[20:19:42] <jmkasunich> weyland: hows the bike project going?
[20:19:44] <asdfqwega> alex_joni: I knew that, just want to get a rise outta Ray
[20:19:56] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: you won't ;)
[20:20:07] <weyland> jmkasunich: having big problems trying to program the girder parts
[20:20:28] <weyland> need a real cam system and just cant afford one
[20:20:48] <weyland> freemill siezes when I try to get it to do it
[20:21:19] <weyland> beating me head against the wall
[20:21:44] <weyland> need something like a script or macro that will do profiling and strep over for me
[20:21:56] <weyland> step over
[20:22:37] <weyland> went and tried win4lin to get solidworks to work in linux and it failed miserably
[20:22:46] <weyland> wine coughs
[20:22:57] <weyland> gonan try vmware later
[20:23:15] <Jymmm> weyland let me know how the vmware + SW turns out
[20:23:18] <weyland> just hate the thought of having to run windows within linux
[20:23:22] <weyland> will do
[20:23:36] <Jymmm> weyland Well, at least it isn't linux in M$
[20:23:38] <weyland> still doesn't help me with a cam system tho
[20:23:42] <weyland> treu
[20:23:45] <weyland> true
[20:24:20] <weyland> win4lin won't even complete the install executable
[20:24:30] <weyland> opens the splash and crashes
[20:25:15] <paul_c> cough wine cough
[20:25:23] <weyland> LOL
[20:25:28] <alex_joni> yo paul_c
[20:25:32] <weyland> I'm just tired
[20:25:38] <weyland> been up for three days now
[20:25:55] <weyland> welding, machining, wrenching, designing the front end...
[20:25:56] <Jymmm> brb
[20:25:59] <alex_joni> weyland: when you reach a few years of uptime, it's time to brag
[20:26:01] <weyland> it's all good
[20:26:04] <alex_joni> a few days won't count
[20:26:13] <alex_joni> ;)
[20:26:14] <weyland> heh heh
[20:26:18] <jmkasunich> alex: that's human uptime, not CPU uptime
[20:26:26] <alex_joni> that's my point
[20:26:34] <alex_joni> what's a few days?
[20:26:37] <alex_joni> for a human?
[20:26:51] <jmkasunich> a few days without sleeping?
[20:26:53] <alex_joni> it's much for a CPU, but for a human it's nothing ;)
[20:26:57] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is kidding
[20:27:03] <alex_joni> just slep most of today ;)
[20:27:16] <alex_joni> got up a few hours ago
[20:27:21] <weyland> REALLY wish I could get synergy to do something
[20:28:09] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: I did that once
[20:28:14] <alex_joni> working on a project
[20:28:16] <weyland> its like trying to read old norse
[20:28:26] <alex_joni> had a week with about 10 hours of sleep
[20:28:32] <jmkasunich> ouch
[20:28:41] <alex_joni> yeah.. was pretty tough
[20:28:49] <jmkasunich> I've done all-nighters, but lately it really takes a lot out of me
[20:28:58] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich is getting old
[20:29:16] <alex_joni> right
[20:29:18] <alex_joni> same here
[20:29:23] <weyland> your only as old as the woman you feel
[20:29:32] <alex_joni> although.. it shouldn't (for a few years at least)
[20:29:43] <jmkasunich> bummer, my wife is a year older than I am ;-)
[20:29:48] <weyland> SOL
[20:29:59] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: that's sane
[20:30:28] <weyland> anyone actually USED Synergy here?
[20:30:30] <alex_joni> it works best when they are a bit older
[20:30:38] <alex_joni> weyland: I played with it for a bit
[20:30:40] <alex_joni> but not much
[20:30:48] <weyland> get it to do anything?
[20:30:50] <alex_joni> websys might have ;)
[20:31:02] <weyland> yeah, never seems to be here tho
[20:31:04] <weyland> ")
[20:31:07] <weyland> :)
[20:31:15] <weyland> man, all thumbs today
[20:32:11] <killar> does EMC only accept g-code? can the emc gui take a DXF file?
[20:32:34] <jmkasunich> killar you need a CAM program to convert DXF to g-code
[20:33:11] <killar> yea, ok.. any ones for linux? i've never found one
[20:33:19] <ValarQ> python :D
[20:33:26] <alex_joni> you might be able to run ace in wine
[20:33:45] <killar> acemi, that sounds familiar, i did run something in wine to do it, might of been it
[20:33:55] <weyland> I've been testing the shit outta progs with wine and win4lin lately
[20:33:56] <killar> er, ace
[20:34:10] <killar> i just like linux programs :)
[20:34:13] <alex_joni> weyland: any luck ?
[20:34:17] <alex_joni> killar: write one ;)
[20:34:34] <paul_c> hp2xx, qcam, synergy, gcad3d
[20:34:38] <weyland> not yet
[20:34:39] <ValarQ> whats DXF?
[20:34:44] <paul_c> sagcad...
[20:34:45] <ValarQ> some cad standard format?
[20:35:10] <killar> yea, i wrote my own CNC program, it used dxf files... but my stepper controllers (the ones from controlanything.com) just don't seem to be cutting it anymore, and i want some better stepper controllers, which if i'm chanign so much i thought i'd try out EMC
[20:35:20] <alex_joni> ValarQ: autocad uses dxf
[20:35:25] <killar> so i'm used to just loading a dxf file and it works..
[20:35:28] <alex_joni> pretty widespread, although kinda crappy
[20:35:34] <ValarQ> alex_joni: ok, no open specs then?
[20:35:55] <alex_joni> ValarQ: some
[20:36:01] <jmkasunich> DXF is a drawing format, not a part program format...
[20:36:02] <ValarQ> ok...
[20:36:10] <Jymmm> asdfqwega If rayh was M$ T/S, he would NEVER be off the phone
[20:36:23] <alex_joni> ValarQ: most of the entities in autocad are with specs
[20:36:29] <jmkasunich> he would also be a clueless idjit
[20:36:30] <alex_joni> there are some you need to license
[20:36:55] <killar> yea, i understand.. but my parts aren't that complicated, so i just have the program cut things in a certain way..
[20:37:46] <weyland> is the synergy in the BDI supposed to do CAM?
[20:38:29] <weyland> was it alex_joni or cradek that wrote that python program for me?
[20:38:34] <Jymmm> aspergillosis
[20:38:36] <alex_joni> weyland: it was cradek
[20:38:39] <weyland> too tired to remember
[20:38:41] <weyland> thanks
[20:38:45] <killar> do you guys build your own cnc machines?
[20:39:37] <ValarQ> killar: yeah :)
[20:39:57] <weyland> was wondering if it would be possible to take a toolpath from a DXF add a variable for the radius desired, plug in a step over number, and arrive at a set of code for generating a radiused profile around a part
[20:39:59] <killar> yea, i bought the plans from hobbycnc eheh.. it worked quite well
[20:40:22] <weyland> or even just tell it the toolpath
[20:40:48] <alex_joni> I think I'll go back to sleep
[20:40:50] <killar> step over? i called it cut adjustment, based on half the radius of the tool you are using, if that's what yer talking about.. the algorithm i wrote seems to work pretty well
[20:40:51] <alex_joni> it's fun ;)
[20:41:11] <alex_joni> killar: there's a tool compensation in emc
[20:41:19] <alex_joni> you need to tell it the diameter of the tool
[20:41:21] <killar> really, good
[20:41:23] <killar> ahh
[20:41:28] <alex_joni> and wether you run from the left or the right
[20:41:40] <killar> right
[20:41:43] <alex_joni> you use G41, G42 for that
[20:41:54] <killar> so what program do you use to convert dxf to g-code?
[20:41:54] <alex_joni> G40 to not use compensation anymore
[20:41:59] <alex_joni> ace?
[20:42:25] <alex_joni> or that autocad stuff cradek did
[20:42:27] <killar> you use windows for making parts? or linux
[20:42:36] <killar> oh, autocad
[20:42:38] <alex_joni> I don't make parts ;)
[20:42:44] <killar> oh, ok ehhe
[20:42:58] <weyland> anyone know WHY synergy was put on the BDI?
[20:43:11] <alex_joni> * alex_joni suspects paul_c might know
[20:43:24] <weyland> just curious if the person that included it might have tried it or know how to use it
[20:43:41] <weyland> of have details about it
[20:43:48] <weyland> or have
[20:43:48] <alex_joni> weyland: last I tried synergy it had very nice tutorials
[20:43:51] <alex_joni> on how to use it
[20:43:56] <alex_joni> you might want to try those
[20:44:19] <weyland> tried. not working for me, don't come up and emails to them haven't been replied to
[20:44:26] <weyland> I pro'lly pissed someone off...
[20:44:56] <Jymmm> again?
[20:45:07] <alex_joni> heh
[20:45:10] <weyland> lol
[20:45:12] <weyland> it happens
[20:45:19] <weyland> <shrug>
[20:46:01] <weyland> not a big deal, I'm just trying to understand it, and what it is supposed to be
[20:46:13] <weyland> whether it's just for cad, or its supposed to do cam as well
[20:46:26] <weyland> or if that's disabled or something
[20:47:08] <weyland> if I had someone cam some stuff for me, what should I tell them to post it as?
[20:47:16] <weyland> as in what post processor?
[20:47:49] <Jymmm> wb rayh
[20:47:57] <rayh> That was fun.
[20:48:10] <Jymmm> rayh your 900 number rang huh?
[20:48:20] <rayh> Don't demo dhclient on a working machine.
[20:48:27] <Jymmm> lol
[20:48:30] <rayh> Well at $399 a minute that was a money maker!
[20:48:30] <rayh> <rayh> killar: Weber systems, Synergy.
[20:48:30] <rayh> <rayh> Their guy monitors this list as websys.
[20:48:30] <rayh> <rayh> It is distributed on the BDI-4.xx disks.
[20:49:10] <weyland> rayh: have you seen any of the questions I just asked? you might be able to answer one or two for me
[20:49:36] <rayh> logger_aj: bookmark
[20:49:36] <rayh> See
http://193.226.12.129/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2005-06-11#T20-49-36
[20:49:40] <Jymmm> weyland wait in line bitch! rayh's mine!
[20:49:44] <weyland> lol
[20:49:51] <weyland> don't make me get me spear
[20:50:12] <Jymmm> stick and stone may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me!
[20:50:43] <Jymmm> rayh (there's some material you can use on your 900 line)
[20:51:33] <Jymmm> I wish there was 'sound proofing for idiots' book
[20:52:03] <Jymmm> or DIY sound proofing, I hate guess with this crap for a one time project
[20:52:17] <rayh> Do you want to quiet the machine down in the room it is running in?
[20:52:39] <rayh> or are you trying to keep the sound away from others outside the room?
[20:52:40] <alex_joni> Jymmm: use bigger earplugs
[20:52:48] <Jymmm> rayh I Want to make a container to encase it it and add the SP to that.
[20:53:06] <Jymmm> SP being sound proofing
[20:53:40] <alex_joni> use 20mm metal sheets
[20:53:44] <alex_joni> make a big crate
[20:53:49] <alex_joni> stuff everything inside
[20:53:51] <alex_joni> and weld it
[20:55:02] <Jymmm> alex_joni apartment and no welder
[20:55:22] <anonimasu> spot weld it :9
[20:55:44] <Jymmm> I tossed the shopvac and te router in the closet as a test. It was ok. but then again there are clothes in the closet as well.
[20:55:44] <alex_joni> no.. spot weld doesn't really work on 20 mm metal sheets
[20:56:25] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yes with enough power.
[20:56:57] <alex_joni> anonimasu: I do sell 630 kVA machines ;)
[20:57:02] <alex_joni> spot welding machines
[20:57:19] <rayh> Down the road they build enclosures for diesel generators.
[20:57:24] <anonimasu> alex_joni: neat
[20:57:40] <Jymmm> rayh you have any idea what they are using?
[20:57:53] <rayh> They use sheet metal and fill a 2 inch gap between.
[20:58:07] <Jymmm> fill with what, expanding foam?
[20:58:12] <rayh> With a medium density fiberglass
[20:58:27] <anonimasu> alex_joni: How thick stuff can you weld with thoose?
[20:58:45] <alex_joni> anonimasu: not very thick
[20:58:48] <alex_joni> depends on the material
[20:58:50] <rayh> The inner metal layer, the side facing the noise, they punch out about 50%
[20:58:58] <anonimasu> alex_joni: ok, well still not enough power then
[20:58:58] <rayh> in various sized holes.
[20:59:05] <alex_joni> usually those big ones are used on thin sheets, but a lot of spots
[20:59:09] <anonimasu> *grins*
[20:59:17] <anonimasu> ah high duty cycle
[20:59:30] <weyland> be baq ina few minutes
[20:59:35] <Jymmm> rayh See, I'mf just not sure what to sandwich together. I was sure that 3" EPS would make more of a difference than it did.
[20:59:39] <weyland> weyland is now known as weyland_away
[20:59:45] <rayh> They tell me it's good for about 50-60db of sound reduction
[21:00:18] <rayh> Dry sand works really well.
[21:00:27] <alex_joni> anonimasu: I was meaning more spots at once
[21:00:32] <anonimasu> alex_joni: ah
[21:00:33] <alex_joni> you get custom tools
[21:00:43] <alex_joni> to place say 20-50 spots at once
[21:00:46] <anonimasu> yep
[21:01:07] <anonimasu> if you were to make 1 spot how thick could you go ;)
[21:01:14] <Jymmm> rayh so they us the random hols on the inner layer to break up the sound, then the fiberglass to diapate the rest?
[21:01:40] <rayh> Right. That is about the idea.
[21:02:10] <Jymmm> rayh 2" of fiberglass like you would find in an interior wall?
[21:02:23] <rayh> This is a router.
[21:02:28] <Jymmm> rayh yes
[21:02:45] <rayh> So most of the sound is in the mid to high range of frequencies.
[21:02:55] <alex_joni> anonimasu: like these
http://www.tecna.net/images/prtrif.jpg
[21:03:17] <rayh> The fiberglass that they use is at least 3x the density of home insulation.
[21:03:30] <anonimasu> cute :)
[21:03:36] <Jymmm> rayh but for lower freq's too
[21:03:53] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep uses industrial carpet for noise absorber.
[21:04:00] <Jymmm> rayh what about carpet padding instead of insulation?
[21:04:52] <rayh> carpet itself would work. The backing foam is a bit light also.
[21:05:30] <rayh> Several layers of carpet should produce a lot of loss at the frequencies you need.
[21:06:57] <Phydbleep> rayh: I use the tight weave heavy industrial stull like from theaters and motels.
[21:07:12] <Phydbleep> s/stull/stuff
[21:07:13] <Jymmm> indoor/outdoor carpet
[21:07:24] <Jymmm> but commercial grade
[21:07:25] <Jymmm> ?
[21:07:28] <Phydbleep> Nope..
[21:07:30] <rayh> Yes. The denser the better for a weave.
[21:07:51] <Phydbleep> It has to be a fibrous carpet and not a fake-grass style.
[21:08:17] <Jymmm> Heh, what about ruberish door mats - from the $0.99 store
[21:08:21] <rayh> Lots of the indoor/outdoor stuff is thin strips of plastic.
[21:08:44] <rayh> If they have felt backing that would work.
[21:09:05] <Phydbleep> Go to the carpet store and get a stack of the sample mats.. Or buy a remnant of a decent short-pile Berber.
[21:09:12] <weyland_away> weyland_away is now known as weyland
[21:09:50] <rayh> weyland: You had a question for me?
[21:09:57] <weyland> buches
[21:10:00] <Phydbleep> The other thing that works is what they call 'wall-carpet', It's a heavy felt-like material.
[21:10:01] <weyland> :)
[21:10:09] <Jymmm> thank you!
[21:10:29] <weyland> might be easier to check the log link aj posted, but can retype if you want
[21:10:45] <rayh> * rayh looking
[21:10:47] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: I get old wall carpet from the music store when they recover speaker boxes.
[21:10:53] <weyland> that was "bunches"
[21:11:56] <rayh> This re synergy?
[21:12:12] <weyland> that and other stuff too
[21:13:08] <rayh> The radiussed part is easily doable.
[21:13:26] <weyland> ooohhh. you have my attention
[21:13:28] <rayh> You can incr or decr the increment var on each pass.
[21:13:38] <weyland> ?
[21:14:02] <weyland> increment var?
[21:14:46] <rayh> The arc endpoint would have to be the sqrt of the sides of the triangle formed.
[21:15:35] <rayh> I did a bit of this with the code in (looking)
[21:16:40] <rayh> 3dtest.ngc
[21:17:16] <killar> does the bdi install work with a dual processor machine?
[21:17:56] <rayh> It should run, I don't know how much advantage it will take of both procs.
[21:18:19] <rayh> All of the motion will run on only one.
[21:18:26] <Phydbleep> killar: Ask asdfqwega in a day or two, i just sent him a dual P-II board a while back. :)
[21:19:16] <killar> yea, i just have a dual processor machine i'm not using, was gonna load it up on that
[21:19:23] <killar> i could pull one of the processors.. doesn't really matter
[21:19:23] <weyland> rayh: what I'm trying to avoid, is having to code each arc and step over by hand
[21:19:40] <weyland> rayh: there's a lot of linear inches there :)
[21:21:02] <rayh> Oh. Then you want either a script that spreads it out or some other interpreter with macro or looping or such.
[21:21:03] <weyland> rayh: also, about the other questions - post processor?
[21:21:13] <weyland> rayh: YES~!
[21:21:46] <weyland> rayh: something that I can either tell the toolpath to, or it reads it from something like a dxf
[21:22:11] <weyland> rayh: tell it the radius in x&z
[21:22:20] <weyland> and the amouint of step over
[21:22:21] <weyland> etc
[21:22:41] <weyland> CAM in a can
[21:22:47] <weyland> basically
[21:22:56] <rayh> I've known guys to produce the nurbs stuff in Rhino and then pass it to vector to do the cam.
[21:23:19] <rayh> No way that I know of to get it into a CNC directly.
[21:23:20] <weyland> vector = M$ ?
[21:23:30] <weyland> plus I don't know rhino
[21:23:40] <weyland> know solidworks a little bit
[21:23:47] <weyland> willing to learn tho
[21:23:47] <rayh> Yes. There is a trial disk that ships with Sherline. Don't know how long it's good for.
[21:24:18] <weyland> that's what brought me questions arounf to synergy
[21:24:24] <weyland> does it cam?
[21:24:28] <weyland> or only cad
[21:24:29] <rayh> I'm pretty low level when it comes to CAD/CAM ability.
[21:24:38] <weyland> so am i
[21:24:41] <alex_joni> weyland: take your dxf
[21:24:43] <anonimasu> weyland: both
[21:24:47] <rayh> synergy does both cad and cam.
[21:24:48] <alex_joni> and run it through rayh
[21:24:53] <weyland> lol
[21:25:03] <alex_joni> it should produce fairly decent g-code
[21:25:16] <weyland> let me clarify -
[21:25:26] <weyland> does the synergy on the bdi do cam?
[21:25:34] <rayh> The guy who made the initial connection between synergy and bdi was a fellow at smithy.
[21:25:54] <anonimasu> weyland: I dont think so
[21:25:57] <rayh> He has since moved on and is running an EMC router in his spare time.
[21:26:36] <weyland> I don't mind spending the time to learn synergy if it does, but if it doesn't, there's almost certainly better ways that I should go
[21:26:45] <rayh> Ah. The synergy on bdi will do cam if you get an access code from websys.
[21:27:17] <weyland> ahhhhhhhhhh... okay, need code = big or small $ ?
[21:27:29] <rayh> 90 days is free.
[21:27:34] <rayh> more if you ask.
[21:27:34] <weyland> this is more info than I've gotten from writing them directly
[21:27:37] <alex_joni> weyland : synergy is about 1k
[21:27:38] <weyland> kewl
[21:27:43] <weyland> OUCH~!
[21:27:43] <jacky^> hi
[21:27:54] <alex_joni> but it should be worth that money
[21:28:00] <rayh> The 1k is for the full solids version.
[21:28:03] <alex_joni> autocad is a lot more, and it's dumber
[21:28:07] <alex_joni> rayh: right
[21:28:13] <rayh> a 2.5d is < 300
[21:28:43] <rayh> I've cut a couple of parts with it. Takes time to get past the first step.
[21:29:07] <weyland> but already have solids with SW
[21:29:11] <rayh> The demo programs help a lot but I have to slow them down a lot for my old head.
[21:29:26] <rayh> But no cam from solids.
[21:29:32] <weyland> anyone know how to get them to repsond to mails?
[21:29:41] <weyland> right
[21:30:27] <rayh> Bob is going to be at retroFest.
[21:30:35] <rayh> at least for a few days.
[21:31:10] <weyland> can someone ask them if they're getting my mails? just occured to me that they may have not received them
[21:31:23] <anonimasu> I tried synergy it was great!
[21:31:32] <anonimasu> but my cad style does not mix with it :/
[21:31:41] <anonimasu> <3 solidworks
[21:31:47] <weyland> can you elaborate
[21:31:53] <weyland> ?
[21:32:48] <anonimasu> weyland: I've gotten used to solidworks so switching to a program that does not have the same kind of workflow is ahrd
[21:32:53] <anonimasu> very very hard
[21:34:06] <weyland> how did you find it to differ? I ask because I'm pretty comfy in SW as well
[21:34:39] <anonimasu> weyland: it's more autocad-ish
[21:35:12] <anonimasu> you should have a word with websys about trying it
[21:35:13] <anonimasu> :)
[21:36:35] <weyland> okay
[21:36:51] <weyland> if >I can get them to respond, or get my mails if they aren't already
[21:37:01] <weyland> I'm intrested
[21:37:29] <weyland> really wanna get away from that last windows box that is only still alive for running SW
[21:37:30] <anonimasu> weyland: *points at websys*
[21:37:59] <weyland> I know, but he never seeems to be here when I am
[21:38:05] <weyland> websys: you here?
[21:38:20] <anonimasu> give him a query :)
[21:38:31] <rayh> Only on during the week from 9 to 5 central
[21:38:31] <weyland> I'd think he'd've spoken by now with all that's being written
[21:38:37] <weyland> ahhhh...
[21:38:45] <anonimasu> he does show up somtimes :)
[21:39:29] <weyland> I've found it very frustrating to be stuck with windows for CAD/CAM
[21:39:46] <weyland> which is why I'm trying so hard to get SW to run in linux
[21:40:36] <anonimasu> are you trying to emulate solidworks ?
[21:40:36] <anonimasu> heh
[21:40:37] <anonimasu> cute!
[21:40:44] <Jymmm> weyland you'll STILL be stuck with windows
[21:40:45] <anonimasu> or did you talk about software
[21:41:12] <weyland> I'm trying/looking for/at both
[21:41:18] <anonimasu> *sighs*
[21:41:23] <anonimasu> I hate cam program manufacturers.
[21:41:27] <weyland> lol
[21:41:53] <weyland> I did trip across that old cd of smartcam two days ago...
[21:41:58] <anonimasu> why cant they state the retail is at 2500$ unless other arrangement with the salesmen
[21:42:04] <weyland> wonder if it would ork in wine...?
[21:42:28] <Jymmm> anonimasu what are you using for CAM ?
[21:42:30] <jacky^> wine ? O_O
[21:42:33] <jacky^> slurp
[21:42:35] <anonimasu> Jymmm: visualmill
[21:42:37] <jacky^> :)
[21:42:44] <anonimasu> it sucks
[21:42:46] <CIA-12> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/hal/components/stepgen.c: fixed a stepgen problem that shows up when position-scale is negative - thanks to bpmw for reporting it
[21:43:05] <weyland> oh, kewl
[21:43:05] <Jymmm> Version Visual Mill 5.0 List Price $4,000, Sale Price $3,500
[21:43:11] <weyland> ACK~!
[21:43:20] <anonimasu> Jymmm: looking at other programs ;)
[21:43:22] <weyland> wtf?
[21:43:31] <anonimasu> I'd love solidworks + solidcam
[21:43:33] <asdfqwega> About the same for BobCAD/CAM
[21:43:41] <Jymmm> anonimasu solidcam?!
[21:43:44] <weyland> how do you like solidcam?
[21:43:55] <anonimasu> the middle version of onecnc perferably..
[21:44:03] <anonimasu> havent tried it, it seems nice..
[21:44:07] <anonimasu> and well integrated with solidworks
[21:44:15] <weyland> hmmmmm...
[21:44:24] <anonimasu> onecnc seems nice too.
[21:44:29] <anonimasu> but the price adds up so much
[21:44:31] <weyland> don't know that one
[21:44:34] <anonimasu> if you need a cad program also
[21:44:36] <anonimasu> www.onecnc.com
[21:45:26] <jacky^> that's i'm tring to use
[21:45:31] <jacky^> seem very nice
[21:45:53] <anonimasu> jacky^: how much is the advantage version?
[21:46:13] <weyland> I'm SO not into going further into being locked into windows with OFFICE2003 compatibility...
[21:46:21] <jacky^> anonimasu: i can't say too much.. i'm a neophite
[21:46:27] <jacky^> a newbie
[21:46:34] <anonimasu> jacky^: ?
[21:46:43] <anonimasu> jacky^: oh, I was curious about the price
[21:46:51] <jacky^> this i the first day i tried onecnc2000
[21:47:10] <jacky^> oh.. te pirce, yeah..
[21:47:18] <jacky^> i got it from a frined ;)
[21:47:22] <jacky^> friend*
[21:47:38] <anonimasu> :/
[21:48:13] <jacky^> i first tried synergy, to much difficult for me
[21:48:31] <jacky^> so i switched to this
[21:49:06] <weyland> baq in a few, guys
[21:50:19] <jacky^> rhis seem to me like some years ago..
[21:50:54] <jacky^> when in linux wasn't a good web browser
[21:51:14] <jacky^> the story is repeated with a cad
[21:51:34] <jacky^> anyone write a good cad open source !
[21:51:38] <jacky^> :D
[21:53:20] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is leaving
[21:53:24] <alex_joni> bye guys
[21:53:38] <jacky^> the software should be free
[21:54:35] <alex_joni> qcad does CAD
[21:54:45] <alex_joni> but CAM is more difficult to find
[21:54:46] <jacky^> mmhh.. ive seen
[21:54:51] <jacky^> nice
[21:54:59] <jacky^> but not usable :\
[22:00:43] <killar> how much does synergy cost? anyone know?
[22:00:54] <jacky^> no idea
[22:01:25] <weyland> one of the guys jsut sed about 1k a little while ago
[22:02:07] <paul_c> basic package is around $300 (fwicr)
[22:02:39] <killar> hmm
[22:02:59] <paul_c> full blown 3D parametric modelling is a little over 1K
[22:03:14] <killar> i guess i don't need that
[22:03:25] <killar> i only have a 3 axis machine...
[22:03:43] <Jymmm> paul_c what's $1k and does it include CAM ?
[22:03:56] <paul_c> It compares farourably with vector.
[22:04:39] <jacky^> hey paul_c
[22:15:15] <dave-e> hi ray
[22:15:43] <dave-e> need 2.6 help if anyone is around
[22:16:18] <dave-e> I'm trying to mount a cd and need a device name
[22:17:17] <killar> well, /dev/cdrom might work if the os linked it for ya
[22:17:59] <dave-e> I think I tried that as well as /dev/hdc
[22:18:07] <paul_c> mount /cdrom
[22:18:24] <dave-e> ok...nothing more?
[22:18:33] <killar> that's if your fstab has it
[22:18:41] <killar> do cat /etc/fstab
[22:18:52] <dave-e> I'll check
[22:20:09] <dave-e> ah! /dev/hdd
[22:20:24] <dave-e> now back to work....thanks
[22:22:40] <killar> what's a good cnc router, i use a crappy dremel now, wanna build a new z-axis with a new motor, i'd like it to handle small bits as well though, dremel size is 1/8" i think, also handling bigger sizes would be nice though, doens't have to be to powerful
[22:24:46] <paul_c> dunno.
[22:33:37] <dave-e> paul - since I had to import emc2 source off a cd ....where should it go?
[22:34:17] <jacky^> /usr/src ?
[22:34:32] <paul_c> /home/dave-e/emc2
[22:34:50] <dave-e> OK ... can do.
[22:40:48] <weyland> Im sorry, i should've gimp'd them down a bit
[22:40:57] <weyland> oops wrong channel
[22:41:42] <dave-e> paul... and then cp to /usr/src for the build?
[22:42:21] <paul_c> no - Build in the home dir.
[22:42:31] <paul_c> You can run it from there as normal.
[22:42:51] <jacky^> :)
[22:42:59] <dave-e> can do ... just carefully picking my way thru this.
[22:45:33] <jacky^> paul_c: when the next release of BDI ?
[22:46:17] <paul_c> whin I feel like it.
[22:46:31] <jacky^> :-)
[22:46:43] <jacky^> nice answer
[22:47:14] <killar> i just installed BDI 4.20
[22:47:26] <jacky^> paul_c: you're the only developer working in it ?
[22:47:41] <jacky^> seem very hard :\
[22:48:03] <killar> course it just crashed, could be this crappy computer.. well didn't crash, the "sherline inch" thing stopped responding when i loaded a sample file..
[22:49:59] <killar> oh, now it's working hehe
[22:56:12] <dave-e> BINGO! 4.2 with emc2 is up and running. 3d-test went OK and so did tool length testing. <big grin>
[22:56:37] <jacky^> congratulations dave-e :)
[22:57:16] <paul_c> dave-e: And ??
[22:57:48] <dave-e> well since I can break almost anything this is good news!!
[22:58:36] <paul_c> so the bug fixes that I committed work ?
[22:59:01] <dave-e> This machine is headed for fest ... with a single axis test servo connected to it. Something for JMK to play with.
[22:59:17] <dave-e> squashed bugs smell good
[22:59:36] <rayh> congrats dave-e
[22:59:59] <dave-e> thanks....it is good when the dragon flames-out
[23:00:34] <rayh> John and I were talking earlier about some issues with emc2 shutting down.
[23:00:52] <rayh> Make certain that you get the proper shut down messages when it closes.
[23:01:23] <dave-e> I'll go try... and see what I get...
[23:01:31] <rayh> You going to set it up with your motenc and try it.
[23:03:12] <dave-e> nothing too wild
[23:03:19] <dave-e> about 6 lines
[23:03:54] <dave-e> can quote them if needed
[23:04:29] <dave-e> on the motenc...don't i need to configure the hal to make it work?
[23:08:44] <paul_c> Yay... Damned silly bug... But finally got trajectory.o linked & running.
[23:11:45] <paul_c> currently got the RT motion stack set to 28K - A huge saving over the 150K+ of the original.
[23:14:07] <rayh> dave-e: motenc config stuff on the way.
[23:18:33] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich is now known as jmk_dinner
[23:21:21] <dave-e> thanks Ray
[23:21:25] <robin_sz> meep?
[23:21:29] <robin_sz> * robin_sz returns
[23:21:43] <anonimasu> paul_c: very neat
[23:22:27] <robin_sz> now, that was a satisfying bit of work on the laser
[23:22:49] <robin_sz> a nice sign for outside the factory :)
[23:22:49] <rayh> Welcome
[23:23:21] <anonimasu> :)
[23:26:04] <robin_sz> its nice to do someting for yourself, instead of a customer, do it the way you want and have it come out looking absolutlety great
[23:28:15] <anonimasu> hm, I need to find a good way to do signs.
[23:28:37] <asdfqwega> Hire les ;)
[23:28:38] <robin_sz> this was just letter cut out of steel and powder coated
[23:28:56] <robin_sz> with a U shaped chanel behind to stand them 35mm off the wall
[23:29:20] <anonimasu> asdfqwega: oh, les is on the other side of the world :)
[23:29:46] <robin_sz> I cut the wall of the channel away where the letter did not hide it, so they just hang there :)
[23:31:45] <robin_sz> on a router, well, thats different
[23:32:11] <robin_sz> Type3 is the software to lust after for signs, or artcam if you are on a budget
[23:35:35] <anonimasu> ok
[23:36:00] <robin_sz> signs are so much easier with signmaking software :)
[23:37:59] <robin_sz> Scanvec used to do a thing called "enroute" that was quite nice when it worked, but it crashed more than it worked
[23:38:04] <robin_sz> maybe its got better
[23:39:54] <jacky^> ah
[23:40:06] <jacky^> sorry..
[23:40:21] <jacky^> wrong window
[23:42:04] <anonimasu> well, I dont make enough signs to justify it
[23:42:24] <robin_sz> yeah, well, maybe you can pick up a cheap copy
[23:42:27] <robin_sz> on ebay
[23:42:39] <robin_sz> shipped direct from malaysia ;)
[23:42:51] <robin_sz> so .. how is the tree planter?
[23:43:20] <anonimasu> robin_sz: in production
[23:43:23] <anonimasu> :)
[23:43:44] <robin_sz> sounds like the first trials have thrown up some "opportunities for design improvement" ;)
[23:44:08] <anonimasu> robin_sz: minor changes, and a couple of sensors...
[23:44:21] <robin_sz> and a stronger box for when they bash it on trees ;)
[23:44:51] <anonimasu> nope, mounted them in another place :)
[23:44:57] <robin_sz> heh
[23:45:12] <robin_sz> so just the "exit pipe full of mud" problem
[23:45:28] <robin_sz> and the 2 seeds, not 10 ...
[23:45:32] <robin_sz> and its solved?
[23:45:33] <anonimasu> robin_sz: that havent happened yet as they check it somtimes, but if it happens you want to know
[23:45:45] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[23:46:05] <robin_sz> but this is what first real use is all about I guess
[23:46:12] <robin_sz> finding out how to make it better
[23:46:13] <anonimasu> robin_sz: yeah, I have a new design for the feeder part, with some modifications :)
[23:46:27] <robin_sz> it sounds a trick problem to be honest
[23:46:38] <anonimasu> trick problem?
[23:46:46] <robin_sz> it must be hard to get one seed and not cut another one in half
[23:46:49] <robin_sz> tricky
[23:46:54] <anonimasu> yeah..
[23:47:10] <anonimasu> we got past that phase ;)
[23:47:14] <robin_sz> it would be very easy to make a rtee seed mincing machine by accident
[23:47:56] <anonimasu> :)
[23:47:59] <anonimasu> yeah it is
[23:48:04] <anonimasu> the seeds are so very expensive
[23:48:26] <robin_sz> presumably there is something similar, like rice or corn you can use to test?
[23:48:44] <anonimasu> got old seeds to test with
[23:48:52] <robin_sz> right
[23:49:02] <anonimasu> but they are about 900$ a kg
[23:49:05] <anonimasu> ;)
[23:49:14] <robin_sz> heh
[23:49:33] <robin_sz> at that price, Id expect to be able to smoke them ;)
[23:49:36] <anonimasu> the flow sensor design works great
[23:50:03] <anonimasu> I'll have a real prototype with electronics toomrrow
[23:50:08] <robin_sz> ultra low pressure air sensor?
[23:50:12] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:50:39] <anonimasu> I did check my supplier for airflow sensors, but wire ones arent a option
[23:50:40] <robin_sz> I can think of another way
[23:50:43] <anonimasu> neither are impeller ones
[23:50:52] <robin_sz> why not wire ones?
[23:51:06] <anonimasu> dirt/dust/stuff
[23:51:19] <anonimasu> they work at higher pressures then IO have also
[23:51:24] <robin_sz> nah
[23:51:34] <anonimasu> yes.. they do
[23:51:36] <robin_sz> they detect stunningly low flows
[23:51:47] <robin_sz> amazingly low flows ...
[23:51:51] <anonimasu> looked into it earlier today..
[23:51:57] <robin_sz> fine ...
[23:52:07] <anonimasu> :)
[23:52:32] <anonimasu> anything fragile will break..
[23:52:36] <robin_sz> let me put it this way, the ones I built could easily detect a hand moved through the air 50cm away
[23:53:34] <anonimasu> and what I care about isnt the actual flow..
[23:53:37] <anonimasu> just that there is flow..
[23:53:46] <anonimasu> :)
[23:53:56] <robin_sz> surely the flow sensor can go in the clean air feed side?
[23:54:08] <anonimasu> there is no clean air to be fed..
[23:55:00] <anonimasu> and well, the only thing I need is a on/off switch
[23:55:05] <robin_sz> right
[23:55:24] <robin_sz> wont that suffer from the dirt and crud problem too?
[23:55:40] <anonimasu> I'd love to do somthing with piezo vibration detectors but there's not nearly enough time
[23:56:04] <anonimasu> robin_sz: no
[23:56:29] <robin_sz> did youconsider a differentila piezo sensor over a restricted section of tube, detect the pressure drop?
[23:56:35] <anonimasu> not since there is one moving part riding on a shaft and a contact it touches
[23:57:39] <robin_sz> I just like the idea of no moving parts :)
[23:57:43] <robin_sz> less to go wrong
[23:57:51] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:58:12] <robin_sz> there are some very neat differential pressure sensors now
[23:58:17] <robin_sz> and very low cost
[23:58:17] <anonimasu> I like that too, but there isnt much that can go wrong with somthing like that if it breaks you get a warning about it..
[23:58:50] <robin_sz> I tink a lot of them come from automotive, used to detect flow in car aircon systems etc
[23:58:59] <anonimasu> yeah true
[23:59:10] <anonimasu> but it adds to the overall complexity..
[23:59:23] <robin_sz> but, you need electronics to make sense of the signal I guess
[23:59:34] <robin_sz> if you were making a hundred of thes things ...
[23:59:35] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:59:45] <robin_sz> it would be the way to go
[23:59:55] <robin_sz> but for tens? probably not worht it
