EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK I've be cloned!!!
paul_c has kicked Jymmm from #emc
'cos I can ;)
The world is only big enough for one Jymmm
paul_c: And I was just about to tell him to stop cloning around and get busy. :)
"Send in the clones...."
* Phydbleep sends half a battalion after Jymmmm, on a mission to "Pillage, Plunder and Grape"...
03paul_c 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/src/ (12 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Reverted Alex's rtapi_math.h - Whilst floating point math is used by some of the
realtime modules, we should not encourage it's use (Linus does not use fp math
for a reason !). Until such time as kernel space fp math is supported, a couple
of ugly hacks are required to avoid compile time warnings. These hacks have the
potential to break with future compilers...
Fortunately, only two sources in the hal tree are afflicted, the files in emc/
damit... CVS is slow tonight...
on sf ?
03paul_c 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/ (emc2.gif docs/Hal_Introduction.pdf): (log message trimmed)
Remove any last trace of those M$ line terminators - *WHEN* I get the command right for f in ./emc2.gif
03paul_c 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/emc2.gif: Repair the damage to the gif..
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/emc/log/ (emcmotlog.c emcmotlog.h): Repair the damage to the gif & pdf files - Note: Unwise to run dos2unix on these files cd /tmp/emc2..
03paul_c * 10emc2/ (50 files in 13 dirs): Repair the damage to the gif & pdf files - Note: Unwise to run dos2unix on these files cd /tmp/emc2..
paul_c I have a lil perl script somewhere if you want it
done the damage now....
asdfqwega: I haven't got any of those.. Will you settle for styrofoam peanuts?
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/emc/ (46 files in 4 dirs): Missed a few files in the last effort....
jmkasunich: are you here? have question relating to that problem
* jmkasunich hides
don't worry, no pressure
* paul_c hides behind jmkasunich
I ran emc after I did the update today
I took out all backlash comp
and ran some text for engraving just for sh|tzng|glz
it ran *pretty* nicely,
but was still a bit off...
but the Z kept going deeper and deeper as it went along
just wondering if that might be linked to the same problem or I need to chase something else down
with backlash comp set to zero?
didn't bury the cutter or nything
then you are loosing steps... you need to tweak tuning (PID) or accel rates to make it stop loosing steps
but it was obviously getting deeper
the backlash thing simply makes it more obvious
I've always been fuzzy on the PID tuning stuff
has there been anything new written explaining it?
because it generates a more demanding profile for the motors to follow
I'm afraid I don't know anything about tuning emc1
might you know who I can ask?
Ray, maybe JonE... paul?
paul_c: you needn't hide from me unless you've seen the Bison picture...
losing steps from moving Z up ?
not sure if it is up or down
Either the Z accel & Velocity is too high, or....
if the cut is getting deeper, you're loosing up steps
yeah, just thought that out...
the stepper motor isn't strong enough to raise the head.
definitely strong enuff
too much accel?
most likely.... Drop the PID gains a little too.
wait wait~! PID gains?
LOL, my luck...
3:40 in the morming over there
try a post to the users list about tuning... somebody will help
Really?!? Wow, where is he?
users list at sourceforge?
made some progress on the backlash thing... I have a block of code that limits the commanded path so that it will not exceed velocity or accel limits regardless of what the program and backlash comp add up to
(before the program and the comp could have been acceptable individually but their sum could still accel or move too fast)
right now that code is embedded in an EMC2 HAL component, because that was the fastest way to test it...
(some brain bending math in there, not complex but it took me a week to get it right)
No pressure - any idea when I can have it?
now I just have to translate it for emc1 and stuff it in
kewl, I have SO much stuff to make
one long evening should do it... but tonight won't be that evening, nor tomorrow (other committments)
A lot of it for this bike for the magazine
reading the archives and manual, thanks for the help yet again
03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): merged the last couple weeks of work from the kbuild-0-1 branch to HEAD. HEAD should now compile under all BDIs, including BDI-4.20 (kernel 2.6)
03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/ (19 files in 7 dirs): merged the last couple weeks of work from the kbuild-0-1 branch to HEAD. HEAD should now compile under all BDIs, including BDI-4.20 (kernel 2.6)
Jymmm: Give it another 10 minutes and it'll be ,orning where you are. :)
Phydbleep afternoon. clocks are running backwards!
stinking 2 phase clocks!
Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
one question how do you count irregurarily sized 1mm seeds?
sure it is
oh, in a controlled env it is..
the trouble is how do you get exactly one seed to pass at a time..
since they are irregurarily sized they can stick..
Mkae it and the housing out of acrylic.
hire a kid
will a MT2 taper fit in a 1/2" jacobs chuck?
I am going to count them optically
or make the impellor out of silicone.
although it's a "dose" of seeds
with a optical fork, but it's not quite what I want :)
Phydbleep you sure?
[07:14:25] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46343
MT1 might barely fit, but you'll never get a good grab on it.
MTx == Morse Taper.. You'd have to turn/grind a 1/2" non taper to grab it.
[07:17:44] <Phydbleep> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=45047
Look at the hole in the end and the dia of the shank.
* Phydbleep was about to go get the 1/2" Jacobs, a MT2 shank and the camera. :)
Why do you want one of those for a drill-press?
for us in a drill press, yes.
There are some of those that are 1/2" shank.. Look around some more.
on HF ?
Or get one, dissasemble it, get the MT2 shank turned down to 1/2", re-assemble.
alex_joni: Hey, I resent that remark.. We're more of a rabble. :)
Or an unruly mob. :)
Phydbleep this is (basically) my drillpress http://www.deltawoodworking.com/index.asp?e=136&p=1153
morning unruly mob
alex_joni Hey, I resent that remark!
alex_joni: That's better! :)
Jymmm: Order a spare spindle and have it bored/turned for a MT@?
Phydbleep where are these other $100 tapping head you were tqlking about?
* Phydbleep found 1500 rpm, 1000kg side load bearings to make a megamill.
* alex_joni hands Phydbleep a 2 axes 25000N manipulator
just sold one today :)
alex_joni: Well cool, When does the truck get here with it?
you do realise you need some big servo's for it ;)
2-3 kW motors
diesel powered servos
it could be done with huydralics..
but the valve package $ would kill you
you don't have precision with hydraulics
Or steam. :)
lol.. how about men power?
alex_joni: not the same..
alex_joni: but the cost isnt the same either..
I'm building the power systems for the lathe where I can flat-belt drive it and use the pmdc spindle motor for a generator to run a laptop/pc. :)
who sells cheap cast iron pullys?
for replacement on a table saw
Jymmm: commercial laundry machine repair places.
they use a fanbelt?
I thought they had a transmission
Drivebelt for the pump.
Also drive pulleys for dryres if you need a 12" pulley. :)
just 3 or 4 "
and I need to get a key too
Pump pulley.. Ford water pump pulley is about that size.
What size shaft?
for a 1HP motor
Commercial washing machine part.
are most pulleys iron ro aluminum?
1hp should be ~ 5/8" with a key.
yep, it really is a 1hp motor
it could be 5/8" I dont recall
5/8".. 3/4" tops I bet.
are most pulleys iron or aluminum?
Depends on the pulley and the app and how much of the design was reworked by the beancounters in the name of profits. :)
Jymmm: Air compressor repair places will have iron pulleys.. home depot will have Al.
ok, cool. they're onlt being replaced becasue the set screw won't stay tight
* Phydbleep has 1 2-3/8" OD 3/4" bore keyed pulley.
And it's Al.
key is fubared now becasue of it too - doens't even looked hardened
I have a bunch of random unkeyed pulleys and a 'broaching set' to broach the keyways if I need them.
Re-grind the key smooth (or cut a new one) and case-harden it.
harden it how?
I just have a propane torch
Or just get some hardened key stock..
[07:58:10] <Phydbleep> http://www.ytmag.com/toolt/messages/125947.html
* Phydbleep is teaching newbs about case-hardening parts. :)
chem reaction between the stell and carbon?
alex_joni: I got my serial interface to the plc working neatly yesterday
thats kinda neat Phydbleep
* anonimasu is going to try hardening somthing
I didnt know about the charcoal..
but I've hardened stuff, in just oil..
I wonder if you could just use a inert gas as atmosphere..
argon or somthing
Phydbleep: got a idea?
alex_joni: how's things going?
* Phydbleep would try reduced atmosphere and an induction heater if it was handy.
hm, I wonder how much work to build a induction heater would be..
anonimasu: Pull a partial vaccuum on the chamber and then flush it with N2 or Ar..
anonimasu: Depends on how big a part you want to heat and whether you want to be able to slag it or not. :)
anonimasu: induction heaters need to be tuned to the mass involved.
Crap.. I hope he has brains enough to ventilate the area if he tries that..
* Phydbleep has had to kick someone 'up the arse' for roasting marshmallows on a hibachi in the living room..
They thought it would be a 'cool' way to warm up a cold room. :|
Phydbleep. :) hahahha
Phydbleep, how old are the kids?
19, 21, & 22.. It was a bunch of former housemates in the university ghetto.
Phydbleep: where r u from?
do you yanks get tomorrow off?
But, They were smart enough to set the beer outside the window to cool.
A-L-P-H-A: today is monday ... :)
almost half the day gone already
aj, you ain't a yankee. suuush.
[11:11] <alex_joni> almost half the day gone already
I need to know if I can call msc to get something ordered.
alex_joni: I'm in New Mexico.
Phydbleep, is there a holiday tomorrow for you guys?
alex_joni: 'Land of the Flea, Home of the Plague'... 'Come on vacation, Leave on probation'..
A-L-P-H-A: HTFWIK? I'm a stay at home daddy. :)
I think the holiday weekend is next week.
Phydbleep: with a avr to control the frequency..
anonimasu: And a non-contact pyrometer to monitor the heating.
anonimasu: You could make it self-tune that way as well.
Phydbleep: New Mexico reminds me of an old movie I liked to see
have you seen Convoy?
alex_joni: Yeah, Long time ago.
but it was nice :)
New Mexico, I40
Sand-storms.. Dust-storms... wind-storms.. hail-storms.. Oh yeah.. We get all the exciting weather.
I'm expecting it to top out about 120F here this summer. :\
Phydbleep, hahhaha. sucka.
I might get 30oC... MAX 36oC.
horray for CANADA!
A-L-P-H-A: may the fleas of a thousand armpits infest your camel... :)
Or was that "May the dogs of a thousand fleas infest your armpits"?, I was always lousy at this sort of thing..
* Phydbleep flunked cursive..
A-L-P-H-A (And anyone else in the northern states/territories/ice floes) http://www.homier.com
About like HF with a few odd deals.
found a nice quote
* anonimasu yawns
The difficult I'll do right now.
The impossible will take a little while
[08:37:13] <Phydbleep> http://www.homier.com/detail.asp?dpt=1&cat=11&sku=03989
< Out of stock currently.. $200 mill/drill.. MT2 spindle.
alex_joni: That's like the "I fix it $25/hr, I fix you watch $50/hr, You worked on it first? $100/hr." sign at the TV repair shop. :)
Phydbleep: looks nice for a mill
pretty cheap too
Yeah, And if you talk to the right guy you can buy castings from returns.. lathe/mill bits..
what do you think of: http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_lathe/Reviews/Homier2/Homier.htm
alex_joni: That's the 7x12, I was going to buy a set of castings for one and add motor/electronics/etc.
I was actually thinking that since the headstock is symmetrical I could buy 2 headstocks, 1 bed and a few other bits to build a custom machine.
*waits for he
he's qt book to arrive
still bugging qt around?
I have a friend who has a lathe
and wants to CNC it
and maybe sell it afterwards
alex_joni: it's probably the best way to write a gui I think.. if you can live with the license terms..
ie: GNU YOUR CODE!
an0n: can you do a halgui in it?
GNU's not Unix :(
although I need to learn it first...
don't believe you :P
but well, online programming stuff is on top of my list..
good for playing with qt also..
* Phydbleep is reading the instructions for his new "Bomba De Gasolina"...
heh.. doing coctails?
Which is what the box for the new fuel pump says.
It also says "Pompe A Essence"
essence de petrol
Like I really need the instructions.. I read them to find out how stupid they expect the general public to be. :)
~15% of the population here speaks nothing but Spanish.. I wonder how many FBI heart attacks there would be if they wiretapped autozone?
Si, Si, Bomba De Gasolina, Bomba De Gasolina.. $29.99... ROFL.. :)
I take 15 pcs ;)
/me wonders if asdfqwega likes blue neon...
* Phydbleep wonders if asdfqwega likes blue neon...
Yeah, Blue Neon.. I have a pair of 10" dia blue neon speaker surround rings with the power supply.
[09:54:51] <anonimasu> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81552#post81552
*loves rotary engines*
anonimasu: Have you seen http://www.freedom-motors.com
[10:04:14] <alex_joni> http://www.keveney.com/Wankel.html
I havent seen it :9
alex_joni: FM licensed the OMC patents for rotary motors.
not that I care... LOL
if I am going to build a model of a engine it'll be a rotary
a 2 rotor 500cc engine ;)
And now for todays lesson in french.. "Cui coupe la fromage?" "Cui coupe la fromage?" .. "Who cut the cheese?" "Who cut the cheese?"...
fido: thought it was "qui"
D'Eaux! (Translation... ."D'Oh!")
nice one ;)
if it would be a cool doh...
we would have ice ;)
Oh.. NM.. :)
hm, actually you could skip the second rotor and build a centrifugal supercharger..
anonimasu: They've done a 150cc single rotor that will be used in APU's (Aux Power Unit) for semi refrigerators.
* Phydbleep remembers something..
I have to fill out the sample reques form I got from Ananlog Devices and email it back..
I never got free samples :((
alex_joni: you were being too modest
alex_joni: 99% of the time, All you have to do is know how to fill out web-forms. :)
but I think they reconsider when they check the shipping costs ;)
alex_joni: Microchip is Fed-Exing stuff in from Malasia and Thailand to me here.
* Phydbleep orders a pair of ADXL321 +/-18g accelerometer sensors and a pair of brownout/reset chips..
alexander slocum is my hero
not only does he have the most badass machine tool designs, he has the most badass design engineering lectures on the web
* anonimasu nods
Scarey.. 4mm x 4mm x 1.45mm +/-18g sensor.. I can build a high speed balancer for > 75k rpm and < $30..
* Phydbleep knows fenn will want one.
Hehehe... I'll have to build 2.. 1 big one for the 9.25" disks and a smaller one for some 1.75" models.
why's it so big?
oh nm thought it said cm not mm
what is it a load cell?
need to figure out where to buy those
It's 100mV/g if VCC = 5V?
Does that help?
57mV/g @ 3.3v
not really, i can't remember if strain gauges (read: load cells) work on resistance or capacitance
I think you get a voltage proportional to the load..
Yeah, Analog out.
yeah, who cares so long as it works :/
They have analog or pwm out units.
My thoughts exactly. :)
* Phydbleep needs to get a large rubber rat to cut in half..
i'm totally amazed at how good juiced radish greens taste
they have me bouncing around like i'm on meth, too
I'm going to mount the back half on a nice plaque with a $2000 price tag on it..
rats in NM??
If somebody wants me to give a rats ass it'll cost them $2000. :)
fenn: Rubber rat.
We have pidgeons here.. Winged rats. :)
Phydbleep: Google for SOE & exploding rats
* Phydbleep is scared to..
all those times when we were kids, stuffing firecrackers into dead squirrels..
were really just memories of our past lives as secret agents coming back again :)
paul_c: Ever hear about the cat-piloted bomb?
paul_c: It was part of the same SOE circus.
SOE was years before I were born.
Bleah.. 05:30.. Time for me to fall over.. It'll me 90 by noon and too hot to sleep. :\
G'night all. :)
03alex_joni * 10emc2/configs/emc.ini: changed default intro file in emc.ini
I just got a lathe quick-change kit..
are you guys reading EPN ?
[11:40:37] <alex_joni> http://www.epn-online.com/
looks like epn doesn't know what EPN stands for
electronic product news
i am reading #EMC logs.. like the real thing only better :P
fenn: where from?
it's funny til it comes back to bite you in the ass :)
people are more interesting when they don't know they're being watched
they're also more interesting when you cut out the hours and hours of boredom...
well.. be my guest
btw, you could work on sundays
and post those to linuxcnc.org
as the irc logs there are a bit outdated ;)
sort of "secretary duties"?
* alex_joni wonders how long fenn would last doing the task
jmk tried it for a while
then I did it for a while
* anonimasu is finally done
but.. it's kinda boring ;)
an0n: ready to count your seeds *grin*
alex_joni: finished the other plc box..
just clean out the crap and post it or just post it raw or what?
clean out the logged on / logged off stuff
clean out email addys
cat <log> |grep -v "<anonimasu>"
an0n: would still leave a lot of traces.. (from <an0n>, <anonimasu_>, etc..)
I was just kidding :)
brb, fetching a cola
my version of grep.. grep -e means expression, -v means invert matching
i assume you mean --erase or some such
fenn: oh and we need a short description for each sunday meeting ;)
ah that's the tricky part
fenn: an0n suggested -v (that would only leave lines without anonimasu)
I said make that -e (to leave only lines with anonimasu)
i'm not a "guru" yet, even if my lug thinks so
lug= (local) linux user group
sure.. since i'm reading the logs anyway
can i make my own user acct on the wiki or do i need permission?
you can make your own acct on the wiki
but irc logs are not on the wiki
well why the hell not? :)
that's where i'll put 'em
i'm a fan of wiki's
why are there so many different formats for the logger?
.txt, .html, .rdf
only use txt
html is deprecated
and rdf I can't switch off :D
fenn: didn't bother too much with this logger
logger_aj, you suck
I'm logging. I don't understand 'you suck', alex_joni. Try /msg logger_aj help
is there a better log somewhere?
the log is ok
the logger is stupid ;)
* fenn shrugs.
* logger_aj is already logging
* anonimasu has been cleaning the desk
BDI 4.20 is emc2, yes, no?
i thought it was emc1 but now i'm confused
* alex_joni goes home
The TurboTool can comfortably operate at speeds of 100,000 rpm and with 100 kW of cutting power. Higher speeds and cutting power can be obtained as shown below. :o
yet another monster from slocum's laboratory
gonna slap one of those babies on my hexapod for sure
fenn you have a hexapod?
fenn: you think it'd be possible to build a spindle like that?
100 000rpm is neat ^_^
steve_s_logging is now known as steve_stallings
Morning, you guys have been BUSY!
just wait till I really get going...
The thought scares me just a bit. The rest of us are still trying to absorb all the new stuff.
Now that John has merged the kbuild stuff, I will be joining some of the bdi-4 branch as per codeFest agreement.
Question - will it be possible to easily have multiple interpreters so that some of the issues with how they should behave can be answered by selecting a variant with a .ini paramater?
I want to see a stable, industry standard version, but do not want to inhibit those who want to tinker.
That depends very much on how the different interps are implimented.
If it requires 3,4,99 directories each containing 12,000 lines of identical code....
If Rumley wants to do a variant that uses 99% of common code, he does it in a branch.
Then how would it make it into distribution as option selectable by .ini file?
anyone able to go to www.editplus.info ?
If by "distribution", you mean a BDI disk....
Paul - I was really meaning a tarball on SourceForge, but would not object to it being on a BDI. BDI is your thing, so your call.
editplus.info - good DNS, tracert fails on last hop?
body, dead, over - All spring to mind when talking about the BDI & screwball interps.
Figured that. Did you find a freely available set of docs of ISO version? I did find Fadal have a complete programmers manual on line.
I pretty much like the interpreter as written originally.
Fred was suppose to email the ISO standards over
Only think I missed was subroutines.
Not sure if subroutines are in the ISO version, but I also want them badly.
subroutines, macros, PLC functions...
I just printed out the NIST stand alone int review. Boy is the format of that messed up.
I think it would be a good thing is we could adhere to a standard published by a vendor independent body of some sort.
Printed a lot of garbage...wasted a lot of paper.
If the ISO standard is modern and maintained, then we could "settle" a lot of agruments by saying the standard EMC interpreter conforms to ISO standard XXX.
There are now at least 3 commercial cnc control software packages that use the NIST interpreter.
Les - is this a new document? Where is it?
[14:30:39] <les> http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC-release-archives/content/RS274NGC_22.doc
OK, got my hopes up when you said "review".
Well I called it that because it discusses shortcomings etc
I was looking at that trying to decide which control to put on the router.
I will use emc on a mill.
It should work ok on a mill at slow feeds with simple shapes
only problem is the inability to blend tangent arcs
That will cause problems on any machine at any speed
I see Fadel show the Siemens 840 manuals as well as their own...
les: well, I hope it'll be solved anytime soon
I wouldn't count on it
hm, why not?
anonimasu_ is now known as anonimasu
it has been years of trying
I find it strange that there a single person that understands why it happens..
Well that would be Fred
I have a basic idea though
It is inherent in the structure of the code
TP should not be a synced RT thing
couldnt you get it to load the segments instead of calculating them synced?
EMC uses the motion current plan calculated every nth servo cycle
That is basically the wrong way to do it.
Fred will tell you that.
Motions should be time stamped data in a queue.
The RT servo cycle should use the current time to refer to the proper plan data
I dont really see a problem with doing it that way..
That way there are no starvation issues.
except for how/when you do the calculations
The plan is precalculated using the max feed over ride
so you just feed all the data into the planner
that sticks it into a queue..
then if servo cycle time is scaled it will always still be valid.
does the calcs..
wouldnt it be possible to modify the current planner to do that?
and to replace it with a planner that loads precalculated stuff off the queue?
The current planner is invoked every nth servo cycle in RT
that would have to change
yes, but you could change the planner to a "motionqueue.c"
but that would seem to change the whole basic structure of emc
which I guess is difficult
difficult does not mean it's impossible..
A g-code file is just a list of positions and time (by calculation from feed)
A queue of motion plans is the same thing
just in a different format
wouldnt the changes required be in the part that translates the queue into physical motion be what would be required to change?
and in segmentqueue to place the calculated segments somwhere..
I dont have a idea where the motion happens..
is it in segmentqueue or in emcmot?
where do the segments go..
The servo cycle runs on a timmer interupt right?
servo cycle time
that time should point to a precalculated queue element.
Rather than calculate a current one every nth cycle
but if you instead of calculating every segment on the fly
you could load your segments into memory, and just copy them..
Well there is no reason whatsoever to calculate segments on the fly
03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/ (25 files in 12 dirs):
This is the first stage of joining of the bdi-4 branch and HEAD. It *may* break both HEAD and the branch, but this will be fixed in later commits.
Note: Just the rtapi, hal, and libnml directories have been joined so far. A few minor changes need to be made in HEAD before a join can progress there..
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/libnml/posemath/ (_posemath.c posemath.h): Minor tweak to the includes to ward off a compile error.
03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/libnml/posemath/ (_posemath.c posemath.h sincos.c): More joining..
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/ (50 files in 5 dirs): One more join..
back in for a little bit
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/libnml/ (36 files in 3 dirs): One more join..
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/libnml/ (13 files in 2 dirs): One more join..
how is everyone.
oh ok...taking a little time off from work to do yard stuff
could not do it on the weekend due to weather
yea i'm back at work now :(
Finished my newer DIY CNC... so kinda happy now..
If the weather is bad on the weekend I just work some...then take the weekend time when the weather is good!
have any pictures?
[16:37:51] <joe2000chevy> http://cnczone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=81608&postcount=70
anyone do any DIY controllors? I have a guy asking about some links of some.
looks very nice. Nice and neat.
I'll bet you don't want to get it dirty with old chips haha
hahaha, shopvac sitting right next to it.. lol
I don't know much of DIY controllers...or at least hobby ones sorry
oh no prob.
industrial ones yes...but $$$
We are considering selling a light industrial router.
But it isn't looking good at the moment
this is looking impressive though:
you have a link?
[16:44:43] <les> http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/
It uses the EMC interpreter
low cost too
board with DSP, driver amps, and software is under $1000
good for a small buisness.
hook up motors, switches, etc and go!
Yes I am looking at that for the router product idea.
In quantity is is very very cheap!
well back to some yard work.
ok have fun.... lol
or are you at work?
stopped working 5 min's ago :)
heh.. wanna do some qt?
tell me about it
was thinking about a hal tool
smthg like a logic analyser
* anonimasu nods
alex_joni_ is now known as new_guest
do you know IO_Show ?
no, and I dont know any QT yet :/
what's the problem?
I am feeling a bit tired :)
an0n: it's a tcl script that shows some logic levels of the parport
I was thinking about the same thing for HAL stuff
ah you mean that thingie..
* anonimasu knows what it is
have a window with a number of channels (logic pins)
and a dropdown with pins on each
so you can select the ones you need to see
not too advance
what's wrong now?
new_guest: shut up
really.. not maybe
alex_joni: who's this _new_ guest?
new_guest is now known as roxen
I was thinking of going with GTK
to keep the same like halmeter & halscope
but .. I don't know :(
cant really help you decide :)
im still in geneva ..
today, its wet
was great at the w/e
eeh.. I see
03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/ (hal_motenc.c motenc.h): Last set of joins before starting on the /src/emc directories
actually, I think we have photographs of that
not the goat again
no not the goat.
what's the problem?
* anonimasu pokes roxen
* alex_joni hands anonimasu a bigger stick
anonimasu: if, after you poked it, its still alive, then you didn;t poke it hard enough :)
* anonimasu pokes roxen with the BIGGER stick
still too small
* anonimasu is weak
* paul_c ponders kicking roxen
do it. do it now
* alex_joni hands paul_c a wet kipper
just how many bots are on here?
* alex_joni thinks robin_sz is one
pc_op ? logger_aj ?
at least they are *quiet* bots
paul_c: can I ask you smthg?
actually a couple of questions
1. about that NML connector class
2. about cvs foo commands
1. where should it reside?
2. seems jmk forgot some files from the merge to head, was wondering if you can verify the foo to merge them to HEAD
which files got left out ?
and I want to change emc.run and emc.ini
change motmod.o (from emc.ini) to motmod
and let emc.run figure out if there's a .o or a .ko module in $RTLIBDIR
03paul_c * 10emc2/scripts/realtime: Merge the runscript from the kbuild branch in to HEAD.
03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.run: added a small change to let emc.run figure out the module extension for EMCMOT
03alex_joni * 10emc2/configs/emc.ini: removed module extension from motmod.o as that is figured out by the run script
so.. about that NML connector
libnml sounds ok?
or emc/nml_intf ?
Read the CodingStyle before doing anything..
* alex_joni is too tired to do serious coding this evening
so I'm only playing around with Gtk
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/ (CodingStyle Makefile.inc.in): Fix a small problem with the makefiles introduced after the join from bdi-4
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Fix a small problem with the makefiles introduced after the join from bdi-4
wow, I was considered a bot? sorry then. I'm just a technical spy workin on my own CNC system.. I already told you one time :)
what CNC system is that?
a wire edm one
heh.. I've pathced linux-2.6, wrote a Gtk+2 interface and a cool CORBA'ised base:) This summer I'll have an opportunity to work with a real machine, and then I hope I'll show you what I've done. It woths nothing until then, though
erDiZz is now known as erDiZz_away
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/CodingStyle: Small typo correction... Not that it appears anyone reads it anyway...
paul_c: Even though I'm not coding, would it make you feel better if I read it? :)
I did read it a few times.. if that eases your pain
hm, I should probably read it.
oh well, old habits are hard to kill
erDiZz_away: if you have any information on the generation of sparks please share ;)
anonimasu: I saw some schematics for a high-freq unit for one somewhere.
[20:12:17] <Phydbleep> http://cscott.net/Projects/FabClass/final/edesign1.html
hm, acutally I have a psu..
the welder I power my mill with..
oh that control board I mentioned before....
getting a free eval unit
les: Cool! :)
90 microsecond servo time for all four axes
uses emc rs274 interpreter
does not use the emc planner
even has 8 3 amp h-bridges
has PIDFF/biquad digital filters
how much is a board?
$900 quan one
Much less in larger quantities
comparable to motenc let's say
but has amps, dsp, all the io you need, a c compiler, and a lot of other software.
It could be a hook up the motor wires and go thing.
but as long as there's hope for emc I am not buying anything.. :D
maybe a g200x/g100..
Well yeah...but I am thinking of commercial products of course
yeah, I was thinking about your routers..
emc was free...but the card cost a lot...and the amps....
this is control software, card, and amps
closest commercial thing is thousends
fanuc is good. :D
this is hundreds
Well anyway...I am happy.
* Phydbleep found a Fanuc A-200 for <$4k the other day.
well, each axis are $3000 ;)
the servos for each axis..
just because it's "fanuc"
Thas had the Karel A-200 controller with it.
I have no idea, but I nearly shit myself when I called fanuc and asked for a quote on a controller..
[20:27:56] <Phydbleep> http://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=17841&czuid=1116879337968
Callifornia USA, Pick up only..
ah a whole robot..
that's a good price..
but I have no idea about the control..
I asked about a control for a mill
[20:29:31] <Phydbleep> http://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=17827&czuid=1116879337953
Karel A-600 $2500
still, expensive... :)
or maybe not
heh... I just trashed my hal ;)
forgot to unlock a mutex
no other solution but reboot :(
heh.. it works now
I managed to build a lot of combo-boxes
to select hal-pins ;)
an0n: wanna try this out?
alex_joni: another day
heh.. maybe I'll get more functionality out of it till then :)
I am too tired
* alex_joni goes to bed
hey does EMC2 have a self install? like to try it out if at all possible, But remember I'm the one who knows nothing of Linux... lol
there isn't a deb package for it....
Hmm... When running axis my x-axis loses steps. But when running tkemc, it doesn't.
daryl: throw hardware at the problem?
daryl: what speed system?
* Phydbleep bets on pci video.
It shouldn't be hardware. ;)
Scratch that idea. :)
Or... at least not the cpu speed.
I'm ssh'ing into the box and tunneling X...
So there is some overhead there.
Lot of overhead..
Hmm... I'll try it again without the ssh stuff.
* daryl needs a kvm switch
is the computer using shared main memory for video ?
It's not the ssh
paul_c: I don't know. How can I tell?
paul_c: Doesn't seem to make a difference if the display is running through an ssh tunnel to another machine or on that machine. Could it still be a video memory issue?
does it have a separate graphics card ?
It's on the motherboard.
and do you know what the chipset is ?
Book says it's an S3 ProSavage8
XFree log shows S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] rev 0, Mem @ 0xe1000000/19, 0xd8000000/27
miniITX MoBo ?
daryl: In the bios, turn the video memory down to 8 meg, set the AGP apeture to 16 meg, reboot and pray?
daryl: Send me one and I'll figure it out for you. :)
But... would that affect it when running through ssh and displaying on another machine?
Might.. I do a lot via ssh and have found that combo boards can give odd results.
Plus in that instace your video mem is coming off of the system ram.
Unless you're gaming or watching porn on the machine set the video ram to 8 or 16 meg and the AGP apeture to 2X that.
Heh heh... my plans have been foiled.
Currently video bios shadow is disabled. Think I should enable it?
daryl: That could be really bad.. Cross-contaminating EMC with Doom-III or Virtual-Slut could ruin your weekend.. And the next dozen in therapy... :)
Leave it disabled
You mentioned to set the video ram to 8 or 16 meg... I don't see an option anywhere to set that.
The AGP aperature is currently 128MB
What's APIC mode and should I enable or disable it? It's currently enabled.
There's also something called "VGA Share Memory Size"
set to 32MB at the moment
That's it.. Turn it down .
Thoughts on if video ram should be cacheable?
Actually, How far down will the agp ap go?
Disable video caching.
How about system bios caching?
argh... keeping typing on the wrong keyboard...
Under agp, there are three enable/disable settings:
agp fast write
agp master 1 ws write
agp master 1 ws read
Right now it's enabled, disabled, disabled
enable fast write and disable the other two.
What did the mem/agp get set to?
I turned the agp aperature down to 16
and the mem down to 8
Guess I'll reboot now and give it a go.
Cooll.. Save reboot and try that.. you might need to make it 32/64 to make X happy again.
I think 99% of it was the 32/128.
* Phydbleep has had really ODD results with agp ap != 2X mem.
That would be great if it was... we'll soon find out.
No luck.. still a twitching axis.
The twitches are from groups of really closely spaced steps
(way too closely spaced)
It must be how axis is dealing with that step-group then..
* Phydbleep looks at paul_c..
"Oh Great Guru, Bestow thy wisdom upon us!". :)
* paul_c has had nothing to do with the development of axis
I think it's probably somehow load related. But if that was the case you'd think that running ssh or not would make a difference.
paul_c: Tough? It's your turn in the barrel as "The Great Guru". :)
Plus, I need to reboot this terminal and install a drive... So I'll bbiaf. :)
later... thanks for the attempt. ;)
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc: At last a *real* bug fix. As pointed out by KR, there is a typo in convert_stop()