#emc | Logs for 2005-05-10

[00:00:05] <Jymmm> G'night les
[00:00:07] <les> later!
[00:00:09] <Phydbleep> G'nite
[00:00:25] <Jymmm> only ones left are the hoodlums
[00:00:54] <Phydbleep> Woohoo! My staus has been upgraded. :)
[00:01:01] <Phydbleep> status
[00:02:56] <dmess> seems like it...
[00:03:51] <Jymmm> not much status change from punk to hoodlum
[00:03:53] <Phydbleep> And Woohoo! The wife is home which means I'm off the hook for babysitting for a while. :)
[00:06:12] <dmess> its NOT babysitting if they're yours.... its spending quality time.... or so im being reminded of as she walks by...
[00:06:47] <Jymmm> lol
[00:07:14] <Phydbleep> ROFLMAO!
[00:07:35] <dmess> im gettin' looks... that are meant for you dude.. not me..
[00:08:02] <Phydbleep> From about 5:30 on it's babysitting because all I hear is "where's Momma?"
[00:08:32] <dmess> i listen to "can I???
[00:08:45] <Jymmm> Momma was abducted by aliens, she'll be back in 3.2 light years.
[00:09:00] <Phydbleep> I'm getting about the same looks on this end and she knows where I sleep. :)
[00:09:06] <Jymmm> whats a light year? go look it up!
[00:09:35] <dmess> i told my daughter i traded her for 2 magic beans one weekend she went away....
[00:10:12] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep was tempted the last time the gypsies came by.. :)
[00:10:29] <dmess> by sunday she wanted to know what the beans were gonna grow... and if they could grow mommy back..
[00:12:39] <dmess> any one ever heard maclean & maclean...
[00:15:29] <Jymmm> MrClean, yep
[00:15:37] <Jymmm> McMaster Carr, Yep
[00:15:55] <Jymmm> McChicken, yep
[00:16:12] <Jymmm> mackean, nope
[00:16:16] <Jymmm> maclean, nope
[00:16:44] <dmess> canadian comedians..
[00:16:55] <Jymmm> ah
[00:17:03] <Jymmm> but not be that funny
[00:17:09] <Jymmm> must not be that funny
[00:17:26] <dmess> mid 80's dudes..
[00:17:32] <Jymmm> ah
[00:18:13] <dmess> can you handle a 2M dcc??
[00:20:42] <dmess> i just found an old hard drive of mp3's
[00:23:54] <dmess> company.. gotta fly..
[01:50:52] <A-L-P-H-A> heh... 30ipm with a 1/2" end mill, cutting 75% of the diameter, and 0.1" depth of cut in the material, causes some nice chips. Machine vibrates like hell... but it's able to handle it. Just need a WAY better table. [needs to be more stable]
[02:04:21] <jmkasunich> hi paul
[02:04:25] <jmkasunich> where are you today?
[02:07:46] <paul_c> Sykesville
[02:07:57] <jmkasunich> say hi to matt and ray for me ;-)
[02:10:43] <paul_c> Ray is running away...
[02:14:17] <rayh> Hi Guys
[02:14:17] <weyland> ne1 awake?
[02:14:28] <jmkasunich> hi ray, wayland
[02:14:38] <rayh> Hi John
[02:14:42] <weyland> Hey JMK~!
[02:14:52] <weyland> long time, no write
[02:15:10] <rayh> jmkasunich: Gonna drop by wednesday evening.
[02:15:34] <jmkasunich> ok, thanks for the warning
[02:15:44] <jmkasunich> any idea what time?
[02:15:46] <rayh> You be around?
[02:15:50] <jmkasunich> sure
[02:15:53] <weyland> have small EMC prob, can't figure out, wanna try?
[02:16:02] <rayh> Leaving here noon eastern.
[02:16:14] <jmkasunich> prob around 5-6 then
[02:16:21] <rayh> What time is good?
[02:16:33] <jmkasunich> took me 5-3/4 or 6 to get here->NIST
[02:16:44] <rayh> Okay
[02:16:51] <jmkasunich> 6 should be fine
[02:16:59] <rayh> Six it is.
[02:17:16] <rayh> weyland: What kind of emc prob you got?
[02:17:17] <jmkasunich> I generally leave work between 5:30 to 6, commute is less than 10 mins
[02:17:38] <weyland> having problems either losing steps, or with backlash comp
[02:17:42] <weyland> short story to follow
[02:18:04] <weyland> lost my controller and all disks in a freak fire...
[02:18:09] <weyland> machine is fine
[02:18:14] <rayh> euuu
[02:18:23] <weyland> so I figured it's been a few years, time to upgrade...
[02:18:33] <weyland> wasn't machine's fault by the by...
[02:18:41] <weyland> some one else..
[02:18:58] <weyland> so I build a new controller and get BDI 44
[02:19:10] <weyland> set everything up, and seems to be rolling along pretty well
[02:19:25] <weyland> until I try and run the TUX and Shpere progs
[02:19:45] <weyland> I notice TUX is coming out with "step over" lines...
[02:20:03] <weyland> I figure the backlash isn't what I remembered it to be, or had gotten worse...
[02:20:21] <weyland> I ran some tests, got the backlash and entered it in
[02:20:26] <weyland> tried running the sphere
[02:20:33] <weyland> THATS when it got REAL apparant
[02:20:43] <weyland> it came out as an oval
[02:21:07] <weyland> I don't think I'm losing steps, but backlash comp doesn't seem to make a diff
[02:21:12] <Phydbleep> Closer than a cube, so it's not all bad... :)
[02:21:15] <weyland> has anyone reported anything like this?
[02:21:48] <jmkasunich> how much backlash do you have in the machine?
[02:22:03] <weyland> I have 020 in X and 021 in Y
[02:22:21] <weyland> thing is - I don't recall if I need to maybe set one of them as negative...
[02:22:31] <weyland> changing it didn't seem to be noticable
[02:22:33] <jmkasunich> I don't think it would be negative
[02:22:37] <rayh> What version was your old emc?
[02:22:39] <jmkasunich> did you try setting it to zero?
[02:22:55] <weyland> Man, I have NO idea... it's been ... what? Two years?
[02:23:16] <weyland> And, OF COURSE, it's now an emergency... LOL
[02:23:21] <rayh> Okay. What kind of stepper drivers are you using?
[02:23:25] <weyland> have a new part I need to make
[02:23:29] <weyland> Geckos
[02:23:32] <weyland> 210s
[02:24:03] <jmkasunich> we (Fred and I) "fixed" a bug in backlash last year at Fest... the old code attempted to do accel/decel in the backlash comp, but did it incorrectly such that you could get constantly increasing errors
[02:24:18] <rayh> How fast a pulse train do you produce.
[02:24:22] <weyland> That seems like a good description
[02:24:38] <jmkasunich> the new algorithm will never give you constantly increasing errors, but it doesn't have the same accel/decel curve
[02:24:39] <weyland> errr ... sure ask me something technical like that... it's been years, remnember
[02:24:45] <weyland> :)
[02:24:53] <jmkasunich> you are using steppers tho, not servos?
[02:24:57] <weyland> refresh my memory..
[02:25:00] <weyland> steppers
[02:25:06] <rayh> Input scale times max feedrate.
[02:25:43] <weyland> max feedrate in inches or as in the ini file setting?
[02:26:00] <rayh> as is in the ini
[02:26:01] <weyland> 4000 scale, and either .2505 or 15IPM
[02:26:22] <rayh> and the speed of the new processor
[02:26:25] <jmkasunich> 1000 steps per second then (I think)
[02:26:29] <weyland> yep
[02:26:37] <weyland> approx
[02:26:50] <weyland> 1002
[02:27:15] <weyland> I don't recall that as being much
[02:27:21] <weyland> but it HAS been a while
[02:27:42] <rayh> I'd increase both SETUP_TIME and HOLD_TIME to 2 or 3 and try running.
[02:27:49] <weyland> once I got it actually working, and ran it a while, I forgot most of what I learned
[02:27:55] <weyland> hmmmmm
[02:28:03] <rayh> I know that feeling.
[02:28:11] <weyland> :)
[02:28:21] <weyland> you get so used to it just working
[02:28:42] <rayh> btw got the tool turret working on the lathe today.
[02:29:08] <rayh> Took Matt, Paul, and I to do it though.
[02:29:12] <weyland> holy sh|t~! I recall talking about that... waaaaayyyy back when...
[02:29:39] <weyland> nice.
[02:29:39] <jmkasunich> how'd you do it? did you have to re-write some C or C++?
[02:29:42] <rayh> Long ago. Yes it was.
[02:29:54] <weyland> congratz
[02:29:55] <rayh> Running it with tickle.
[02:30:07] <weyland> has anything happend with threading?
[02:30:14] <rayh> Works like a charm. Much better than the old control.
[02:30:18] <jmkasunich> using iosh to drive the bits?
[02:30:57] <rayh> iosh is athe next step. Still a bit of interference with using both ppmcio and tkio
[02:31:21] <rayh> we'll work that out in the morning.
[02:31:55] <weyland> was gonna grab BDI46 tonight, or is there another flavor you think I might like?
[02:32:20] <jmkasunich> BDI-4.20
[02:32:20] <rayh> Threading is probably the last thing to do on this machine. But at least we have a machine to test it with
[02:32:45] <weyland> hmmmm 4.20? Okay...
[02:32:57] <rayh> I really like 4.20. It is rock solid.
[02:33:06] <weyland> I've actually been playing around with the idea of doing a lathe of late
[02:33:08] <weyland> kewl
[02:33:17] <jmkasunich> is paul still there>
[02:33:23] <rayh> It will soon be the base for development
[02:33:28] <jmkasunich> ? I mean
[02:33:41] <weyland> I've been offered one of those harbor freight 7 inchers that is hurt, but would make a nice convert...
[02:34:01] <rayh> That would be a good start.
[02:34:20] <rayh> automationdirect has a good price on stepper motors
[02:34:31] <weyland> looking at it, it seems a no brainer - just tie in to the lead screw, leave the nut engaged, and go...
[02:34:53] <weyland> or replce as necessary
[02:35:20] <rayh> Yep. That kind of a machine can be built in stages ans you get time and money.
[02:35:37] <jmkasunich> there must be a linux tool that lets you examine a file as a hex dump, right?
[02:35:54] <weyland> well, I've got some spare steppers laying about, and the offer of the lathe got me thinking...
[02:36:12] <weyland> have to do the encoder on the headstock though...
[02:36:20] <rayh> I used to know something about core dumps but have not had to deal with one of late.
[02:36:26] <weyland> damn you, now I'm thinking of lathe, not mill...
[02:36:30] <weyland> :)
[02:36:46] <rayh> Yes. Matt has a 360 pulse US Digital on this lathe.
[02:36:50] <jmkasunich> this isn't a core dump... I'm just trying to see if a text file has tabs instead of spaces in some locations
[02:37:07] <weyland> any pics somewhere?>
[02:37:29] <jmkasunich> clean checkout of directory.map on my BDI-TNG box looks normal, clean checkout on my BDI-4.20 box has fscked up indentation
[02:37:37] <rayh> Yes look in www.linuxcnc.org/Dropbox they are all named Hxx.jpg
[02:38:02] <rayh> jmkasunich: that doesn't sound good.
[02:38:19] <jmkasunich> right... can you give Paul a poke, I want to ask him about this
[02:38:41] <rayh> I'll yell down the stairs. brb
[02:39:23] <paul_c> * paul_c hears a distant mumble....
[02:39:40] <jmkasunich> strange things with directory.map
[02:40:02] <jmkasunich> you made some changes a week or so back (when the toplevel makefile moved)
[02:40:11] <jmkasunich> on my tng box it looks great
[02:40:20] <jmkasunich> on the 4.20 box the indentation is all fscked
[02:40:35] <jmkasunich> fresh checkouts on both, looking at them with cat
[02:40:55] <weyland> (saw pics) neat stuff. thanks. hafta finish the mill, then think about that.
[02:41:03] <jmkasunich> how does one look at a file closely (as in to see tabs vs spaces)
[02:41:31] <jmkasunich> ahh, hd
[02:45:18] <jmkasunich> hmm, some of the spaces have the high bit set!!?!?
[02:45:42] <weyland> quick quest, then I'll shoot back to the shop -
[02:46:26] <weyland> who's selling a decent ballscrew kit for the bench mills nowadays. for a decent price?
[02:46:46] <weyland> been running those poor acme's to death.
[02:50:15] <jmkasunich> hey paul_c, what editor did you make those changes with?
[02:50:43] <jmkasunich> both checkouts have the high bit set on some of the spaces (0xa0 instead of 0x20)
[02:51:35] <rayh> I've used the cheap screws and nuts from McMaster but never a kit.
[02:52:13] <rayh> I've also made the bearing blocks from stock and used trailer wheel bearings.
[02:52:17] <weyland> I'll hafta go see what they're costing these daze... Thanks~!
[02:52:26] <weyland> taper timkens?
[02:52:34] <paul_c> jmkasunich: I had logged in to a box at home - Maybe the editor on that one needs an update.
[02:52:49] <rayh> Good talking with you. Hope you get that mill going and the rush order done.
[02:53:03] <jmkasunich> know any automated tricks for fixing it, or just brute force with an editor?
[02:53:25] <rayh> I used the cheap tapered from carquest. A i think they were.
[02:53:38] <weyland> You too, thanks. No rush order, it's for me, might've gotten my first patent and need more protos
[02:53:42] <jmkasunich> sed s/0xa0/0x20/ ? ;-)
[02:54:09] <weyland> Ooh~! there's a search and replace perl script you might wanna look into...
[02:54:11] <rayh> congrats weyland
[02:54:26] <jmkasunich> weyland - try setting backlash to zero and see if that makes the strangeness go away
[02:54:30] <weyland> keeping fingers crossed, but THANKS~!
[02:54:34] <weyland> Okay, will do
[02:54:36] <rayh> gotta run and finish a new install.
[02:54:42] <jmkasunich> the "fix" Fred and I did, basiclly disappears completely if backlash is zero
[02:54:44] <weyland> Gonna head to the shop and try it
[02:54:53] <jmkasunich> so that could at least let you rule it out, if the problem persists
[02:54:54] <weyland> Best regards - !~
[02:55:03] <jmkasunich> good luck
[03:11:18] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/directory.map: revised directory.map to match reality, fixed some strange (high bit set) characters
[03:11:49] <jmkasunich> nothing's ever fscking simple
[03:34:50] <A-L-P-H-A> 1+1 = 2
[03:35:16] <jmkasunich> <space> = 0x20
[03:35:27] <A-L-P-H-A> <null> = 0x00
[03:35:27] <jmkasunich> except when it is 0xA0
[03:35:40] <A-L-P-H-A> sometimes it's 0xff
[03:35:43] <jmkasunich> every other space in that file was 0xA0
[04:06:49] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added kclean to Makefiles in emc subtree, minor tweaks to other makefiles
[04:06:49] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added kclean to Makefiles in emc subtree, minor tweaks to other makefiles
[04:07:06] <jmkasunich> time for sleep
[05:51:19] <A-L-P-H-A> hey Jymmm, aj
[05:51:27] <Jymmm> hola
[05:52:23] <alex_joni> morning
[05:52:54] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, I got my mill to cut alu 6061-t6 at like 30ipm, on a 1/2" endmill. :D
[05:53:09] <A-L-P-H-A> loud. but pretty fast... 1550rpm.
[05:53:13] <alex_joni> nice
[05:53:30] <A-L-P-H-A> that was on some test stock.
[05:53:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I need/want to make a furnace, and make some bricks of alu.
[05:54:49] <Jymmm> Man, HP Calcs really suck now... http://www.hp.com/calculators/index.html
[06:07:30] <A-L-P-H-A> I still have my ti82
[06:07:36] <A-L-P-H-A> somewhere.
[06:07:39] <alex_joni> heh
[06:07:47] <alex_joni> who uses such things anymore?
[06:08:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I never even used it... I used it in highschool... that's about it.
[06:08:15] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep still uses a slipstick sometimes..
[06:08:20] <alex_joni> same here
[06:08:25] <alex_joni> slipstick?
[06:08:31] <A-L-P-H-A> slide rule
[06:08:36] <A-L-P-H-A> get it?
[06:08:43] <Phydbleep> If the batteries ever go dead I'm screwed though. :)
[06:08:55] <A-L-P-H-A> aj's quick this morning. :D
[06:09:07] <A-L-P-H-A> I need to have normal waking hours, so I can machine stuff.
[06:09:44] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has quiet machines and can do what/when he wants. :)
[06:10:25] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. The stereo in the shop is louder than the drive on the klathe. :)
[06:10:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd like to see you do 30ipm, at 1550rpm, 0.1" depth of cut, with a 2flute 1/2" endmill.
[06:11:08] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: OK.. Buy me the machine and send it to me and I'll try it. :)
[06:11:24] <A-L-P-H-A> haha. no.
[06:11:38] <A-L-P-H-A> crap I'm bored.
[06:11:48] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep also believes in soundwalls and abode will dampen a multitude of noises.
[06:11:55] <A-L-P-H-A> adobe?
[06:12:06] <Phydbleep> s/abode/adobe
[06:12:16] <A-L-P-H-A> adobe??
[06:12:35] <Phydbleep> Mud brick to the uneducated. :)
[06:12:40] <A-L-P-H-A> Sun dried, unburned brick of clay and straw.
[06:12:51] <A-L-P-H-A> there's STRAW in it.
[06:13:19] <Phydbleep> Binder.. Makes them stay together.
[06:13:31] <A-L-P-H-A> sure.
[06:13:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got a normal house... made of wood, i-beams, and stuff.
[06:13:54] <Phydbleep> There's houses here that are adobe and > 100 years old.
[06:14:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm going to lay down...
[06:14:13] <Phydbleep> G'nite :)
[06:15:13] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is going to go scrape off more cosmoline and get ready to mount all the pieces on the table.
[06:16:15] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> still?
[06:16:56] <Phydbleep> Yet... I ran out of WD-40 last night and that's the best thing I've found so far to remove it.
[06:19:13] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> orange clean?
[06:20:26] <Phydbleep> Cosmoline... Think old, old, old sealing wax mixed with chewing gum and some other @#$%^#$^#% things.
[06:21:24] <Phydbleep> OC won't touch this.. Pure orange oil will strip it, but it is hard to get to spray under things.
[06:22:04] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> I use orange clean.. but the oils/goo I have, are pretty fresh
[06:22:17] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> and just those nice blue shop towels, to wipe it down.
[06:23:26] <Phydbleep> ROFL.. I wish.. I'm using WD, a stainless brush, Stainless brillo, Brass brillo and Scotch-brite to finish it off.:)
[06:23:45] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> wow. that's crappy.
[06:23:54] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> what about laquer thinner?
[06:24:04] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> laquer thinner, pretty much takes everything out.
[06:24:25] <Phydbleep> Nope.. It's beautiful under all that grop.. I bet it's got < 100 hours on it in the last 58 years. :)
[06:25:20] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> more than double my age.
[06:25:21] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> heh
[06:25:26] <Phydbleep> And best of all... It was free. :)
[06:26:28] <Phydbleep> Well.. Mostly.. It was free till I gave the guy an old industrial sewing machine head I was using for a doorstop. :)
[06:26:56] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> so junk for junk, someone's junk is another persons pot of gold
[06:27:15] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> us death tool > 1600 now.
[06:27:29] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> 1604... so far.
[06:27:46] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> 1783 coalition forces dead in total.
[06:27:47] <Phydbleep> Nice Freudian slip there. :)
[06:28:13] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> ?
[06:28:14] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> what slip?
[06:28:22] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A_laptop us death tool > 1600 now.
[06:28:24] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> what sexual ennuendo?
[06:28:40] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/05/09/iraq.main/index.html
[06:29:06] <Phydbleep> Not sexual, just a funny description of the military.
[06:29:22] <Phydbleep> US Death Tool.
[06:29:50] <Jymmm> http://www.greased-lightning.com
[06:30:08] <Phydbleep> Actually there is a sexual connotation because everyone they get pointed at is fscked. :)
[06:30:14] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/09/cat.lawsuit.ap/index.html shit. I need to move to the US, and have a pet, be mauled by a neightbours dog.
[06:30:49] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: that's like that joke about the blonde & the turtle :P
[06:31:20] <alex_joni> put them on their back and they're fscked :D
[06:31:20] <Phydbleep> AJ, Don't start me on the blonde jokes. :)
[06:31:24] <alex_joni> lol
[06:31:24] <Jymmm> Phydbleep try napatha and see if that helps
[06:31:39] <Jymmm> err Naphtha
[06:31:52] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> Jymmm, I think he likes to stroke the machine, to get all nice and clean.
[06:31:55] <asdfqwega> While I would not be in favor of a "Gattica Syndrome"-style future, I'd really like for smart people to outbreed the stupid ones, instead of the other way around
[06:32:04] <Jymmm> Naphtha <---- Correct Spelling
[06:32:07] <Phydbleep> WD works just fine.. Spray it, let it sit for a minute and the stuff rolls of without too much fuss.
[06:32:11] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A kinky
[06:32:27] <Jymmm> Phydbleep what do you think is in WD40 and much cheaper
[06:32:32] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> Phydbleep, I guess fat people need love too.
[06:32:41] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Ever read "The Little Black Bag" or "The Marching Morons" ?
[06:33:00] <asdfqwega> Never heard of either.
[06:33:45] <Jymmm> Phydbleep could try xylene if that doesn't work
[06:34:25] <Phydbleep> C. M. Kornbluth wrote both.. Rather pessimistic view of the future and how fscked/overworked the smart ones end up. :)
[06:34:31] <asdfqwega> My reading list is more Heinlein, Asimov, and Niven
[06:35:02] <Phydbleep> Jack Williamson's "The Humanoids" is also worth a read.
[06:35:09] <asdfqwega> Ah, yeah...I'm already familiar with that in practice
[06:35:44] <alex_joni> * alex_joni isn't wake enough for this conversation
[06:35:52] <alex_joni> damn it's early
[06:35:59] <alex_joni> 09:35 .)
[06:36:00] <Phydbleep> The Marching Morons is a lot like the B-Ark from Htchhikers guide.
[06:36:03] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> Time: 02:35:58 -0500 GMT, Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), Intel Pentium M 2.0gHz running at (1-Intel Pentium 4, 1993MHz, 512KB (0% Load)), DDR333 RAM Usage: 302/512MB (58.98%), C: 0.34gb of 19.53gb free, E: 17.66gb of 17.73gb free, Current Uptime: 1wk 4days 1hr 52mins 28secs, Record Uptime: 2wks 3days 8hrs 23mins 1sec
[06:36:24] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> that's such lies.
[06:36:27] <Phydbleep> The TV version or the book.
[06:36:33] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> my laptop has been hibernating most of that
[06:36:33] <asdfqwega> Ooooh, I don't think I could take another B-Ark.
[06:36:45] <alex_joni> Time: 09:35:57 +0200 GMT, Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), Intel Centrino 1400 running at (1-Intel , 626MHz, 0KB (0% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 387/503MB (76.94%), C: 1.04gb of 37.25gb free, Current Uptime: 2wks 20hrs 41mins 38secs, Record Uptime: 3wks 9hrs 30mins 56secs, 15'' TFT.
[06:37:24] <Phydbleep> 00:31:50 up 54 days, 14:44, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.06, 0.01 :P :)
[06:37:30] <alex_joni> lol
[06:37:36] <alex_joni> linux doesn't count :D
[06:38:08] <Phydbleep> My XP has olny been up since I popped the breaker while mowing the lawn.
[06:38:24] <alex_joni> heh
[06:38:31] <alex_joni> running on the same breaker?
[06:39:23] <Phydbleep> This place is wired screwy.. until I made the landlord get an electrician to fix it, 1/2 the house was on 1 15A breaker.
[06:39:37] <asdfqwega> O_o
[06:40:06] <alex_joni> heh
[06:40:18] <Phydbleep> Yeah, I made them add several circuits to the rework as well .:)
[06:41:22] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep now has 220V/30A service on a convenience outlet outside. :)
[06:41:39] <alex_joni> that sounds pretty ok
[06:41:52] <alex_joni> I just installed some welding power sources yesterday
[06:41:54] <Phydbleep> Yeah, That's my welder outlet.
[06:41:58] <alex_joni> MIG
[06:42:11] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> that's a lot of juice.
[06:42:13] <alex_joni> for a Tandem system (uses 2 wires in one weld pool)
[06:42:14] <Phydbleep> Yeah, HF wirefeed.
[06:42:24] <alex_joni> running 400V @ 63 Amps each
[06:42:28] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> scary
[06:42:41] <alex_joni> but that's the breaker
[06:42:43] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: 13mm plate?
[06:43:00] <alex_joni> the power sources only use about 50 amps each
[06:43:07] <alex_joni> that's juice
[06:43:26] <alex_joni> I have 2 earthing cables each : 95 mm^2 section
[06:43:43] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> aj, what would you need to weld ? armour plating??
[06:43:54] <alex_joni> nah.. welding normal steel
[06:43:58] <alex_joni> about 20-25 mm thick
[06:44:50] <alex_joni> but you got lots of productivity ;)
[06:45:02] <alex_joni> imagine running on 2x400 Amps welding current
[06:45:08] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> yeah.
[06:45:09] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> sure.
[06:45:09] <alex_joni> of course not manually :D
[06:45:20] <alex_joni> you wouldn't wanna do that :)
[06:45:32] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> aj, wait you're the guy that works with dad, to build robots right?
[06:45:42] <alex_joni> I know I hate it (have to be there till I set up weldin params)
[06:45:45] <alex_joni> ALPHA: yeah
[06:45:50] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> 'ight
[06:45:57] <alex_joni> but he ain't building any robots :D
[06:46:03] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> oh
[06:46:11] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> industrial love machines now?
[06:46:12] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Hehehe... Want to help me build a few "farm implements" ?
[06:46:28] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> Phydbleep, you already have sheep to play with
[06:46:43] <alex_joni> we don't actually build them, only comissioning, programming, service, etc
[06:46:52] <alex_joni> and .. we sell them ;)
[06:47:00] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep wants something that can chase down and recycle a truck. :)
[06:47:13] <alex_joni> lol
[06:47:18] <alex_joni> try mutating a shape
[06:47:49] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep would settle for programmable nano-asseblers.
[06:48:03] <Phydbleep> nano-assemblers
[06:48:04] <alex_joni> too small ;)
[06:48:23] <Phydbleep> Feed them for a while. :)
[06:48:27] <alex_joni> I'd be afraid to lose them
[06:48:30] <alex_joni> lol
[06:48:43] <alex_joni> how do you know if they are all there?
[06:48:55] <alex_joni> * alex_joni just misplaced his nano-assembler
[06:49:11] <alex_joni> I wonder who could help me find it :D
[06:49:58] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep could make a comment about a microscope and tweezers, but you've probably already heard it. :)
[06:50:14] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> eew
[06:50:30] <alex_joni> what's a tweezer?
[06:50:47] <Phydbleep> Pincers.. Splinter remover.
[06:51:07] <alex_joni> ahh
[06:51:08] <Phydbleep> Forceps!
[06:51:15] <alex_joni> right
[06:51:54] <alex_joni> I hate beeing so sleepy
[06:51:57] <alex_joni> * alex_joni yawns
[06:52:11] <alex_joni> not enough blood in my caffeine
[06:52:16] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has learned to survive on ~ 5.5 hours of sleep.
[06:52:23] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> I need sleep.
[06:52:25] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> bbl.
[06:52:25] <alex_joni> you'd need 6
[06:52:29] <alex_joni> night
[06:52:40] <Phydbleep> Gn'ite A-L-P-H-A
[06:52:47] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: did you know that us humans sleep multiples of 1.5 h ?
[06:53:15] <alex_joni> seems there is some periodic stuff going on when we sleep
[06:53:23] <Phydbleep> So why do I wake up after 5.5?
[06:53:57] <alex_joni> you're twisted :D
[06:54:15] <Phydbleep> No, Just warped. :)
[06:54:21] <alex_joni> yeah
[06:54:40] <alex_joni> I had about 6.6 h sleep last night
[06:54:46] <alex_joni> too much I guess ;)
[06:55:54] <alex_joni> I found out it's a bit more complex with me
[06:56:06] <alex_joni> actually I care about the time I wake up
[06:56:48] <Jymmm> I went to bed at midnight, and woke up at 1am
[06:57:04] <alex_joni> I can sleep 3h and be ok, but I need to wak eup after 10am ;)
[06:57:30] <Phydbleep> Hmm.. Time for another round of "De-Grop and Name That Part"..
[06:57:31] <Jymmm> I need 8 hrs, just getting this project done is on my mind.
[06:57:33] <Phydbleep> BBIAW
[06:57:57] <Jymmm> M*A*S*H is the greatest show ever
[06:58:00] <alex_joni> one day I went to bet about 1800 and got up
[06:58:07] <alex_joni> the next day at 1400 ;)
[06:58:11] <alex_joni> Jymmm: I agree
[06:58:16] <alex_joni> got a few of 'em
[06:58:27] <alex_joni> about 6 DVD's or so
[06:58:45] <alex_joni> each carying 1-2 series :D
[06:58:48] <Jymmm> ah cool, they play about 3 episodes at night
[07:02:25] <alex_joni> nice
[07:02:31] <alex_joni> I do too :)
[07:03:00] <alex_joni> I do like it beeing older than me.. :D
[07:03:05] <alex_joni> the show I mean
[07:05:36] <Jymmm> It has value to it, not just a laugh track
[07:11:14] <alex_joni> yup
[08:35:23] <nevyn_> nevyn_ is now known as nevyn
[10:32:06] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> logger_aj, bookmark
[10:32:06] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> See
[10:32:53] <alex_joni> hey ALPHA
[10:33:00] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> hey aj.
[10:33:05] <alex_joni> so early?
[10:33:53] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> at 6:32 am, yeah.
[10:34:02] <alex_joni> that's why I asked
[10:34:06] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> dunno why
[10:34:10] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> just woke up...
[10:34:16] <alex_joni> hmm.. 4 hours sleep
[10:34:17] <alex_joni> :(
[10:34:20] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> I think I'm just excited about my mill working
[10:34:27] <alex_joni> heh
[10:34:41] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> well, it was working for a while. just that I have something to mill.
[11:30:44] <A-L-P-H-A> yum
[11:31:02] <A-L-P-H-A> freshly juiced carrots + apples.
[11:33:28] <alex_joni> hey rayh
[11:35:59] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone do alu castings in here?
[11:38:30] <rayh> Hi Alex.
[11:38:50] <alex_joni> how's lathe stuff going?
[11:38:55] <alex_joni> paul arrived there?
[11:46:28] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/src/emc/ (4 files in 2 dirs): replaced a few more math.h with rtapi_math.h
[11:47:25] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtapi_math.h: added a blank line at the end of the file to get rid of warnings
[11:52:01] <les> hi ray
[11:52:07] <les> paul show up?
[11:52:18] <A-L-P-H-A> does every one think about paul?
[11:52:24] <les> heh
[11:52:56] <les> he is mr. BDI
[11:53:00] <alex_joni> lol
[11:53:03] <rayh> Yep. Paul is here. Dead out now cause he worked until well after 1 am on the Modbus connectors
[11:53:03] <alex_joni> BDP :)
[11:53:16] <les> he always does that ha
[11:53:58] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is starting to wake up
[11:54:04] <alex_joni> [14:53] * alex_joni is starting to wake up
[11:54:06] <alex_joni> ;)
[11:54:13] <rayh> update to follow on lathe.
[11:54:16] <les> early or late?
[11:54:21] <rayh> Three IO systems
[11:54:58] <rayh> JonE's univpwm for axis motors and spindle encoder read.
[11:55:04] <les> And I hope he will preach the gospel of St cubic to fred
[11:55:26] <alex_joni> I thought it was St quintic ?
[11:55:33] <rayh> It also handles a bunch of 110 for parts catcher, cuttoff slide, etc
[11:55:37] <les> can be
[11:55:47] <alex_joni> ;)
[11:56:15] <rayh> A Winford ISA card handles tool turret, spindle brake and clutches,
[11:56:29] <alex_joni> how do you command those?
[11:56:30] <alex_joni> CL?
[11:56:36] <rayh> A Modbus link sends spind speed and direction
[11:57:20] <rayh> Jon's IO is through hacks to his dio software and M101+
[11:58:00] <rayh> The Winford runs with tkio. That sends spind speed and dir to serial
[11:58:09] <rayh> for the Modbus link.
[11:58:22] <rayh> IMO it would be a lot easier with CL.
[11:59:00] <les> Sounds like I will be sorry I gave away those hardinge lathes with burned controls
[11:59:27] <rayh> Yes. Matt would like to convert more of them.
[11:59:47] <rayh> My three will come after the integrator session at Rolands.
[12:00:14] <alex_joni> rayh: will you run emc2-lathe?
[12:00:19] <rayh> The air operated tool turret works much easier with tkio than it ever did
[12:00:26] <rayh> on the original control.
[12:00:54] <rayh> We installed 4.20 and compiled the sf last night. Jon's board comes up and
[12:01:28] <rayh> allows estop control. Still a bit of work to be done there but we will take advantage of Mr BDI
[12:01:34] <alex_joni> nice
[12:01:53] <alex_joni> tell him I got emc2 to compile on BDI.. maybe he'll try that out *g*
[12:01:54] <rayh> for the next day or so. This will allow a clear upgrade path to EMC2 and HAL
[12:02:01] <rayh> when those systems are in place.
[12:02:07] <alex_joni> yup
[12:02:25] <alex_joni> well.. right now I'd advise against it :) (not tested, not working)
[12:03:12] <rayh> It won't be easy with this machine. The customer is conservative...
[12:03:28] <alex_joni> right
[12:03:37] <rayh> If it works he doesn't want it screwed with.
[12:03:47] <alex_joni> lol
[12:03:52] <alex_joni> I know the feeling
[12:04:02] <alex_joni> "never touch a running system" ;)
[12:05:04] <rayh> I wish I honored that advice... I'm always messing with em.
[12:06:26] <alex_joni> same here ;)
[12:06:30] <alex_joni> but sometimes it's good
[12:06:52] <alex_joni> in the end it does work better.. but the road to there .. :)
[12:12:56] <rayh> You bet the road can be a bit rough. But then I like being a pioneer.
[12:19:04] <alex_joni> ditto
[12:45:26] <alex_joni> yo paul_c
[13:32:40] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> he's awake?
[13:33:27] <alex_joni> sleepwalking
[13:33:28] <alex_joni> or.. sleepirc'ing in this case
[13:33:31] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> sleep irc'n
[13:34:06] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> I just got off the phone with my designer... He can design, but he can't code to save his life.
[13:34:58] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> nit picking on single pixel errors in alignment of text.
[13:35:26] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> I'm like... LEARN css... and we won't have this/these issue
[13:35:28] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> issues
[13:37:09] <alex_joni> heh
[13:37:13] <alex_joni> yeah
[13:42:04] <alex_joni> web designer?
[13:47:50] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.run: fixed a path typo for TCL_DIR in order to allow popimage to work
[13:47:57] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders where an0n is
[13:48:09] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> alex_joni, yeah, web.
[13:48:30] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> avoiding me...
[13:48:33] <alex_joni> heh
[13:48:44] <alex_joni> I do my own webdesign :(
[13:48:48] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> he was supposed to help me figure out feed rates and stuff.
[13:48:55] <alex_joni> he?
[13:48:57] <alex_joni> :)
[13:48:59] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> anon.
[13:49:02] <alex_joni> ahhh
[13:49:17] <alex_joni> thought the webdesigner guy
[13:49:18] <alex_joni> lol
[13:49:27] <alex_joni> that would be a first
[13:49:33] <alex_joni> milling webdesigner :)
[13:49:37] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> he knows so little. I need him to learn CSS properly
[13:49:41] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> and design from there.
[13:50:30] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> hahaha... psp got a game boy emulator.
[13:50:41] <A-L-P-H-A_laptop> http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/10/1224235&tid=207&tid=203&tid=222&tid=212&tid=233
[13:56:16] <alex_joni> now that's stupid
[13:56:17] <alex_joni> :D
[14:21:08] <alex_joni> hey Steve
[14:21:18] <stevestallings> Morning Alex
[14:24:19] <alex_joni> what's up?
[14:24:54] <stevestallings> I started a page on the 2005 Programmer Fest, still need to process photos and post.
[14:25:50] <alex_joni> nice
[14:26:29] <stevestallings> Looks like you are getting lots done with EMC2 build process. Is it close to being usable by "dummies"?
[14:26:44] <alex_joni> emc2 is
[14:26:55] <alex_joni> the 2.6 part is not fully there yet
[14:27:03] <alex_joni> but the dummies part is debateable
[14:27:11] <alex_joni> the compile is pretty straightforward
[14:27:17] <alex_joni> that part has been accomplished
[14:27:24] <alex_joni> the same should be for configuring it
[14:27:30] <alex_joni> that's still to be done
[14:29:30] <stevestallings> I look forward to the EMC2/2.6 environment being good enough to be the default choice for anyone wanting to start tinkering with EMC.
[14:30:09] <alex_joni> that's not very far away
[14:51:55] <alex_joni> Steve: do you have some backups of www.linuxcnc.org ?
[14:52:22] <alex_joni> I just noticed that smthg fishy happened and www.linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/ seems to be gone
[15:04:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[15:04:41] <alex_joni> bye
[16:29:53] <anonimasu> hmm
[16:31:20] <dave-e> pretty quiet , eh?
[16:33:01] <anonimasu> yeah
[16:36:01] <anonimasu> hm, maybe I should make some parts..
[16:36:16] <anonimasu> or set up my Z axis limit switch
[16:54:11] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu. :) parts are good
[16:54:16] <A-L-P-H-A> especially if they make you money
[18:22:27] <les> hi dave and martin
[18:24:49] <dave-e> hi les...need to talk...brb
[18:27:42] <dave-e> ok...now I'm back
[18:31:23] <anonimasu> iab
[18:31:37] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: z axis limit switches are good aswell
[18:37:07] <A-L-P-H-A> perhaps
[18:37:25] <anonimasu> ;)
[18:37:28] <anonimasu> dont you think so?
[18:38:01] <dave-e> it just depends on how much you need to prevent damage
[18:38:26] <anonimasu> hm yeah
[18:38:47] <anonimasu> but when emc decides that the key for Z up has locked..
[18:38:49] <anonimasu> ;)
[18:38:51] <anonimasu> it's good
[18:46:04] <alex_joni> greetings
[18:46:09] <alex_joni> an0n: are you around?
[18:46:12] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yes
[18:46:19] <alex_joni> hello
[18:46:22] <anonimasu> hey
[18:46:32] <alex_joni> was wondering.. you had an emc2 checked out
[18:46:38] <alex_joni> can you check out again?
[18:46:45] <anonimasu> yes
[18:46:47] <anonimasu> howcome?
[18:46:57] <alex_joni> I changed the run script, should get you a nice splash.. was wondering if it works
[18:46:57] <alex_joni> :D
[18:47:00] <anonimasu> ah ok
[18:47:23] <anonimasu> trying it in a sec ;)
[18:47:27] <alex_joni> ok
[18:47:57] <anonimasu> just need to connect to the box
[18:48:31] <anonimasu> hm, do you know anything about connecting a jog wheel to emc2?
[18:48:59] <anonimasu> there's a jogwheel somthing thingie, but how does it work?
[18:49:01] <anonimasu> ;)
[18:49:11] <anonimasu> is there anyone that's tried it?
[18:49:12] <alex_joni> nope :)
[18:49:19] <alex_joni> should be.. but who :D
[18:49:35] <alex_joni> there was even a driver for a joystick afaik
[18:49:49] <anonimasu> hm..
[18:49:54] <anonimasu> I feel the need for one
[18:50:00] <anonimasu> using the keyb is kind of awky
[18:50:00] <anonimasu> :)
[18:50:14] <anonimasu> unless you write MDI commands
[18:50:34] <alex_joni> heh
[18:50:59] <anonimasu> grabbing a new emc2 now
[18:51:24] <anonimasu> :)
[18:51:58] <anonimasu> if I want debug output I can just run emc.run -d is that right?
[18:52:01] <alex_joni> how's weather up there?
[18:52:10] <alex_joni> emc.run -d -v gives you all ;)
[18:52:12] <anonimasu> pretty nice
[18:52:19] <anonimasu> I thought about looking into the bug I found
[18:52:32] <alex_joni> but.. that's to use with typescript.. or else you won't see much
[18:52:37] <anonimasu> why it stops responding to mode changes
[18:52:40] <anonimasu> hm typescript?
[18:52:45] <alex_joni> script
[18:52:53] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:52:55] <alex_joni> run you normal program
[18:52:58] <alex_joni> ctrl+d
[18:53:14] <alex_joni> produces a file called typescript with all the console output saved
[18:53:26] <anonimasu> never seen that before
[18:53:31] <anonimasu> I usually run > file
[18:53:49] <alex_joni> this one works a bit better
[18:54:09] <alex_joni> it saves err and output
[18:54:12] <anonimasu> or the command that dumps stderr also
[18:54:21] <alex_joni> yeah
[18:54:27] <anonimasu> I just cant remember it now
[18:54:49] <alex_joni> you need some 2> &3> or smthg like that
[18:54:56] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:55:00] <alex_joni> can't really remember those either :P
[18:55:06] <anonimasu> & 0> file
[18:55:07] <anonimasu> I belive
[18:55:41] <anonimasu> well anyway, as long as I get the stuff out of the program it'll solve itself ;)
[18:55:55] <les> a bit more irc tag heh
[18:56:02] <les> dave still there?
[18:56:02] <alex_joni> hey les
[18:56:04] <dave-e> ah ha
[18:56:10] <dave-e> yep
[18:56:11] <les> hey alex
[18:56:18] <alex_joni> how's stuff?
[18:56:21] <les> what's up dave?
[18:57:08] <anonimasu> les: how's things going?
[19:03:33] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[19:03:52] <alex_joni> an0n: got the checkout?
[19:04:15] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:04:20] <anonimasu> what the hell did you do to it?
[19:04:28] <anonimasu> it takes forever to compile this time *grins*
[19:04:34] <alex_joni> http://5128.rapidforum.com/topic=115678449564
[19:04:49] <anonimasu> damn startup image :p
[19:04:54] <alex_joni> I changed $EMC_BIN_DIR with $EMC_TCL_DIR (inside emc.run)
[19:05:10] <alex_joni> so that doesn't have anything to do with compile :)
[19:05:10] <anonimasu> heh
[19:05:12] <anonimasu> :)
[19:05:32] <anonimasu> I wonder if anything has changed from yesterday or if I can just move the run file ;)
[19:06:06] <alex_joni> well.. nothing else changed
[19:06:14] <anonimasu> ok :)
[19:06:26] <alex_joni> at least not by me :)
[19:06:31] <alex_joni> and I didn't see any commits..
[19:06:34] <anonimasu> I'll just let it compile..
[19:22:55] <anonimasu> :)
[19:22:55] <anonimasu> still not done
[19:23:19] <alex_joni> darn.. on what are you compiling?
[19:23:28] <alex_joni> I crashed my machine 3 times since then :D
[19:23:40] <anonimasu> pIII 500
[19:25:34] <alex_joni> hmm.. should go faster
[19:25:42] <alex_joni> that's over half an hour now
[19:25:47] <alex_joni> are you running emc? :D
[19:25:50] <anonimasu> no
[19:25:53] <anonimasu> oh in the background
[19:25:54] <anonimasu> heh
[19:25:55] <anonimasu> lol
[19:26:02] <alex_joni> now that explains a LOT
[19:26:18] <alex_joni> greetings skonak1
[19:26:24] <alex_joni> we have been expecting you
[19:26:49] <anonimasu> ps axuw |grep emc |grep -v grep| awk {'print "kill -9 " $2'}|sh
[19:27:11] <alex_joni> how about killall emc ?
[19:27:26] <anonimasu> alex_joni: wont kill everything
[19:27:28] <anonimasu> :)
[19:27:33] <alex_joni> killall tkemc ;)
[19:27:37] <anonimasu> too messy
[19:27:38] <anonimasu> :D
[19:27:44] <anonimasu> I am used to using that on bsd ;)
[19:27:44] <cradek> kill -9 -1
[19:27:54] <alex_joni> -1 ?
[19:27:57] <anonimasu> lol
[19:27:58] <anonimasu> try it
[19:28:02] <anonimasu> *grins*
[19:28:07] <anonimasu> kill-all
[19:30:40] <alex_joni> let me run emc.run first
[19:30:45] <alex_joni> it won't matter after that :D
[19:31:32] <anonimasu> I am trying it now
[19:31:47] <anonimasu> cant find emc2.gif
[19:32:04] <alex_joni> hmm.. isn't that checked out?
[19:32:17] <alex_joni> check your top dir
[19:34:25] <anonimasu> it works
[19:34:29] <alex_joni> it does?
[19:34:35] <anonimasu> yep
[19:34:40] <alex_joni> nice
[19:34:59] <anonimasu> want to see a screenshot of my splash?
[19:35:05] <alex_joni> heh
[19:35:06] <alex_joni> sure
[19:35:09] <anonimasu> I made one a couple of days ago
[19:38:03] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/emcstart.jpg
[19:39:42] <alex_joni> ick.. what's secure CRT ?
[19:39:49] <anonimasu> commercial terminal program..
[19:39:57] <anonimasu> ssh/telnet/serial
[19:40:00] <alex_joni> what for?
[19:40:08] <alex_joni> what's wrong with putty?
[19:40:20] <anonimasu> putty works.. but I like SecureCRT better :)
[19:40:37] <alex_joni> well I like putty ;)
[19:40:57] <anonimasu> I like putty
[19:40:59] <anonimasu> also
[19:41:05] <anonimasu> what do you think of the image?
[19:41:16] <anonimasu> I need to re-arrange the words a bit..
[19:41:18] <anonimasu> though
[19:41:25] <alex_joni> nice.. but I'd use a different font
[19:41:45] <anonimasu> * anonimasu would too
[19:41:48] <anonimasu> s/would/will
[19:41:59] <alex_joni> also: if you use Enhanced then go Machine (not Mmachine)
[19:42:00] <anonimasu> but not the one for EMC though..
[19:42:07] <anonimasu> typo.
[19:42:08] <anonimasu> :D
[19:42:23] <alex_joni> same for C-ontroller
[19:42:52] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:43:01] <alex_joni> what do you think of this: http://www.robcon.ro/emc/emc_running_win_xp.JPG
[19:43:32] <anonimasu> looks nice
[19:43:44] <alex_joni> heh.. emc compiled on doze
[19:43:49] <alex_joni> only sim though
[19:43:54] <alex_joni> motion I mean
[19:44:18] <alex_joni> notice: mmio.exe, motsim.exe, etc
[19:45:27] <alex_joni> an0n: http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/emcstuff/dekstop-extended.jpg
[19:45:54] <anonimasu> looks very nice
[19:46:14] <alex_joni> yeah.. that was before I figured out how to use putty with x-forwarding
[19:47:04] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Why not use Cygwin as the X layer?
[19:47:07] <anonimasu> :)
[19:47:16] <alex_joni> that's what I use
[19:47:22] <alex_joni> Cygwin/X even ;)
[19:47:26] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep comes wandering back from the land of sleep.
[19:47:34] <alex_joni> morning :)
[19:47:38] <alex_joni> [22:47] <alex_joni> morning :)
[19:48:08] <Phydbleep> [12:57] alex_joni morning :)
[19:48:18] <alex_joni> that's better
[19:48:28] <alex_joni> but either mine or your clock is screwed
[19:48:29] <alex_joni> :D
[19:48:31] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. Afternoon here..and my clock is an hour wrong.
[19:48:41] <alex_joni> 1h and 10 mins
[19:50:06] <anonimasu> hm..
[19:50:09] <anonimasu> changed it a bit..
[19:50:15] <Phydbleep> This is only 2 minutes fast compared to the machine I have auto-set the clock.
[19:52:02] <alex_joni> an0n: don't like the one I did ?
[19:54:25] <anonimasu> it didnt come along with the cvs..
[19:54:26] <anonimasu> :D
[19:54:36] <alex_joni> how come?
[19:54:42] <alex_joni> should come
[19:56:57] <anonimasu> I dont know
[19:57:47] <alex_joni> maybe you had already a file called emc.gif ?
[19:58:14] <anonimasu> no
[19:58:20] <anonimasu> I grabbed the whole tree
[19:58:22] <alex_joni> strange
[19:58:24] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/emc.gif
[19:58:32] <anonimasu> that's how it ended up ayway :)
[19:58:39] <alex_joni> heh
[19:59:21] <alex_joni> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/emc/emc2/emc2.gif?rev=1.1
[19:59:31] <anonimasu> ever noticed the error with tkemc?
[19:59:40] <alex_joni> what error?
[19:59:40] <anonimasu> that the digits come out small on every startup
[19:59:44] <alex_joni> yup
[19:59:52] <alex_joni> that's because you need a file
[20:00:05] <anonimasu> hm..
[20:00:23] <anonimasu> what file?
[20:00:34] <alex_joni> hang on
[20:00:45] <anonimasu> ok
[20:00:49] <alex_joni> in emc1
[20:01:04] <alex_joni> there are TkEmc, TkEmcL, TkEmcS
[20:01:13] <alex_joni> just copy TkEmc to the root of emc2
[20:01:17] <alex_joni> should work then
[20:01:19] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Now how am I supposed to look at your site and see what kind of insanity you're up to when there's no index page?
[20:01:27] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: insanity+
[20:01:27] <anonimasu> heh
[20:01:47] <alex_joni> ++insanity
[20:02:23] <alex_joni> at least imap is krypterad
[20:02:35] <Phydbleep> insanity^2 ?
[20:02:38] <anonimasu> I am not insane
[20:02:44] <anonimasu> just a bit
[20:02:45] <anonimasu> :D
[20:02:58] <alex_joni> Skyddet �r langt ifran totalt, men det �r en bra b�rjan.
[20:03:13] <anonimasu> what?
[20:03:16] <Phydbleep> insanity * 10^42 ?
[20:03:42] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: yeah
[20:03:59] <alex_joni> som k�nner av om eposten skickas fran en server som �r k�nd f�r att skicka just o�nskad epost
[20:04:20] <Phydbleep> Well keep trying, You'll eventually catch up to me. :)
[20:04:23] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: if you get my point
[20:04:23] <anonimasu> ah..
[20:04:52] <alex_joni> Allt material som l�ggs upp pa den h�r servern av anv�ndare �r pa deras eget ansvar,
[20:04:52] <alex_joni> Allt material som strider mot g�llande lagar kommer att tas bort.
[20:05:01] <anonimasu> heh
[20:05:03] <anonimasu> I wrote that.
[20:05:10] <Phydbleep> Finnish?
[20:05:13] <anonimasu> swedish
[20:05:14] <alex_joni> swedish
[20:05:25] <anonimasu> says that everything the user puts up on this server are their own responsibility
[20:05:37] <Phydbleep> close.. It all looks like throat surgery to me. :)
[20:05:44] <alex_joni> heh
[20:05:45] <anonimasu> and that all material that dosent comform to the laws will be removed.
[20:05:51] <alex_joni> h�eh
[20:06:04] <anonimasu> I found some user leeching mp3's to the world..
[20:06:20] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/mrtg/
[20:06:21] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:06:24] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Hehehe.. I should dend you a copy of the disclaimer from my old web site.
[20:06:36] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: wont be nescessary :D
[20:06:38] <anonimasu> I dont admin anymore..
[20:06:49] <anonimasu> or well, not officially atleast.
[20:06:55] <anonimasu> so there's no one responsible over that server
[20:07:25] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/phone.jpg what I am up to ;)
[20:07:36] <anonimasu> although a bit old
[20:07:40] <Phydbleep> me is scared..
[20:07:46] <Phydbleep> me is scared..
[20:07:50] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is scared..
[20:07:56] <anonimasu> why?0
[20:07:58] <alex_joni> why is that?
[20:08:04] <alex_joni> ^_-
[20:08:12] <alex_joni> -_-
[20:08:15] <alex_joni> -_^
[20:08:20] <Phydbleep> Oh, Boy.. It's a soap mold. :)
[20:08:27] <alex_joni> lol
[20:08:37] <alex_joni> thought it was for butter
[20:08:40] <anonimasu> kyaa*�!#"
[20:08:44] <anonimasu> * anonimasu faints
[20:08:51] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/m_key.jpg
[20:08:55] <Phydbleep> ROFL!
[20:09:00] <anonimasu> first real cnc machined part :)
[20:09:51] <alex_joni> that's the M key for the phone?
[20:09:58] <anonimasu> lol
[20:11:03] <anonimasu> I was just toying around when I drew the phone to see if I could do it
[20:12:30] <alex_joni> ok guys
[20:12:34] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is going to bed
[20:12:37] <alex_joni> night
[20:12:43] <Phydbleep> G'nite :)
[20:12:57] <anonimasu> :night..
[20:12:59] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is trying to remove a metal sliver from his thumb.
[20:13:46] <anonimasu> :/
[20:14:04] <anonimasu> I am trying to find some info on coding for x..
[20:14:07] <anonimasu> QT/GTK
[20:14:28] <Phydbleep> ?
[20:14:34] <Phydbleep> What info?
[20:14:45] <anonimasu> oh, some guides/reference and stuff..
[20:14:52] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks an0n starts on halgui
[20:15:04] <alex_joni> that would be HIGHLY appreciated
[20:15:18] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: I thought you were going to go fall over?
[20:15:32] <alex_joni> I am now.. running on low fumes on the laptop
[20:15:33] <alex_joni> bye
[20:16:02] <anonimasu> lol
[20:16:03] <Phydbleep> OK.. He's gone.. Break out the hookers and booze. :)
[20:16:12] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. :)
[20:16:14] <anonimasu> * anonimasu cracks open a can of coke
[20:17:29] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep looks at the large sack of 2-litre bottles and wishes for a plastics recycling unit.
[20:18:16] <anonimasu> :D
[20:18:28] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[20:19:27] <anonimasu> I hope I get enough time to play with QT/GTK
[20:21:34] <anonimasu> hm QT it is..
[20:21:44] <anonimasu> since that had the smallest hello world example ;)
[20:22:00] <Phydbleep> I hope I can find a babysitter or someone to run an errand because I need a new drive belt for the lathe.
[20:22:33] <Phydbleep> QT/GTK is gui creation tools?
[20:22:56] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:22:59] <anonimasu> or well libraries
[20:23:04] <anonimasu> there are tools for QT I think
[20:23:34] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep used to use the 'otools' package for gui stuff.
[20:24:01] <anonimasu> hm is that good
[20:24:16] <Phydbleep> it was 6 years ago. :)
[20:25:13] <anonimasu> ok
[20:26:01] <cradek> QT isn't free
[20:26:37] <anonimasu> hm, too bad.
[20:26:52] <Phydbleep> It was really nice for gui stuff at the time... Use it to layout your window and it would spit C/C++ code to generate your gui.
[20:27:52] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[20:29:09] <anonimasu> cradek: got any better solution to coding gui's?
[20:29:30] <cradek> nope.
[20:31:00] <cradek> I guess there is a Qt open source edition
[20:31:00] <cradek> I'm no expert
[20:31:01] <cradek> but I'd read up before using Qt to write an app
[20:31:05] <anonimasu> somtimes I really really hate linux.
[20:31:05] <anonimasu> so very badly.
[20:32:48] <anonimasu> well I guess I could use GTK... but it seems messier
[20:36:42] <anonimasu> loads messier
[20:53:06] <Phydbleep> I liked otools because it was simple and didn't require any external libs.
[20:53:17] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[20:53:25] <anonimasu> well I guess it's gtk..
[20:53:50] <anonimasu> that's the choice..
[20:58:04] <Phydbleep> Robin! :)
[21:04:00] <anonimasu> http://users.bigpond.net.au/mlm/libglade/
[21:05:32] <anonimasu> yay
[21:07:03] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: how does that look?
[21:11:19] <robin_sz> hi girls ...
[21:11:29] <anonimasu> hey robin
[21:11:35] <robin_sz> I see the SCO thing is hotting up nicely :)
[21:11:44] <robin_sz> anyone following that?
[21:13:09] <anonimasu> not really
[21:13:28] <anonimasu> :)
[21:13:36] <anonimasu> I hope they loose.
[21:14:27] <robin_sz> no you dont
[21:14:35] <anonimasu> hm..
[21:14:41] <robin_sz> you might hope they lose
[21:15:08] <robin_sz> sorry
[21:15:19] <robin_sz> lose/loose is one of my pet hates :)
[21:15:28] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep hopes a judge points out that SCO has already shot themselves in the ass by releasing large portions of their code GPL..
[21:16:01] <robin_sz> yeah, this current thing is relating to Maureen O'Gara, a particularly vile journalist they have
[21:16:31] <Phydbleep> I hope they 'loose' their bowels when their lawyers hand in the bill. :)
[21:17:27] <anonimasu> laters, I'll be off now..
[21:17:33] <robin_sz> she wrote an article with all sorts of personal details relating to Groklaws PJ on a variety of sites. Seems many linux nerd wrote to all the advertisers with a "we wont buy your products whilel you advertise on sites that publish this crap" emails .. and today they all sacked her :)
[21:17:43] <Phydbleep> $3.928472 * 10^14 ???? *THUD*
[21:18:12] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Laters. :)
[21:18:17] <robin_sz> night anonimasu
[21:19:00] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: That looks like a gui package. :)
[21:19:22] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep just saw the link that had scrolled offf the screen.
[21:19:41] <anonimasu> yep
[21:21:20] <anonimasu> I wonder how easy it is to use..
[21:21:21] <LawrenceG> anyone using axis with bdi-4.20?
[21:23:13] <robin_sz> now .. this is kewl ..
[21:23:18] <robin_sz> http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/dual_photography/
[21:55:00] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: Yeah, I saw that a while back.. It's a really amusing way of making a camera. :)
[22:00:17] <daryl> Looking for help with emc or emc2 and 2.6 kernel... anyone around?
[22:28:04] <Jymmm> Yo
[22:28:12] <daryl> Hey
[22:29:15] <Jymmm> how goes it?
[22:31:43] <daryl> ok.. Know anything about kernel 2.6 amd emc?
[22:31:53] <Jymmm> not a thing
[22:32:00] <daryl> Same. But I'm trying anyway.
[22:32:09] <Jymmm> the ones that should shoule be around in a few hours
[22:32:21] <daryl> Cool.
[22:32:43] <daryl> I thought I read in the list that it's possible... but maybe not complete.
[22:32:45] <robin_sz> ISTR the last BDIrelease built on 2.6
[22:32:53] <daryl> What's istr?
[22:32:59] <robin_sz> I seem to remember
[22:33:04] <daryl> * daryl learns something.
[22:33:07] <Jymmm> * Jymmm dog piles robin_sz
[22:33:15] <daryl> That's good news.
[22:33:16] <robin_sz> DAMHIKIJKOK
[22:33:21] <Jymmm> lol
[22:33:36] <Jymmm> robin_sz Hey the root 3 thing, did you just know that, or recognize it?
[22:33:58] <robin_sz> just knew it ..
[22:34:23] <Jymmm> robin_sz : ah, ok. either way, thanks.
[22:34:48] <robin_sz> root 2, root 4, pi, pi/2 pi^^2, etc .. you become familiar withthem when you see em
[22:34:49] <daryl> * daryl gets more coffee.
[22:34:59] <robin_sz> root 3 not root 4 doh
[22:35:11] <Jymmm> heh
[22:35:54] <Jymmm> robin_sz It was kinda a trip... I can "recognize" certain things, like 1.732 but have nfc what it really is.
[22:37:38] <daryl> make modules
[22:37:40] <daryl> * daryl waits
[22:37:47] <daryl> I should have turned off some things.
[22:38:14] <robin_sz> Jymmm: too many years of maths and ohysics classes burn thes things into your brain
[22:38:22] <robin_sz> like e too
[22:39:08] <Jymmm> robin_sz Like I said, too busy getting stoned. but I was mucking around drawing a hexagon and noticed that
[22:39:09] <robin_sz> 2.718281828
[22:39:47] <robin_sz> now ...
[22:39:59] <robin_sz> what about j??
[22:40:22] <robin_sz> hmm thats odd
[22:40:24] <Jymmm> what's J ?
[22:40:29] <daryl> EE's version of i.
[22:40:41] <robin_sz> yeah, i or J
[22:40:54] <Jymmm> oh, clueless =)
[22:40:58] <robin_sz> so I have a little grapical calculator
[22:41:09] <robin_sz> I press 'pi' it shows pi
[22:41:15] <robin_sz> i press e, it shows e
[22:41:26] <robin_sz> but when I press i, it segfaults ...
[22:41:40] <daryl> Does it run windows?
[22:41:49] <robin_sz> I imagine so
[22:42:14] <daryl> Good lord. Maybe I should halt the build and turn off some modules.
[22:42:34] <robin_sz> nah, justbuy faster hardware :)
[22:42:55] <daryl> I think this thing's running > 2GHz already...
[22:43:52] <daryl> Needs a progress bar.
[22:44:21] <Jymmm> daryl to slow it down some more huh?
[22:44:35] <robin_sz> oh well, I thought my little joke about a calculator with an 'i' button was funny
[22:44:52] <Jymmm> robin_sz sorry, missed it.
[22:45:01] <daryl> Jymmm - ok.. good point.
[22:45:11] <robin_sz> Jymmm: but when I press i, it segfaults ..
[22:45:21] <Jymmm> heh
[22:45:41] <robin_sz> I suppose you could do a calculator with compley numbers though ..
[22:45:48] <robin_sz> two displays huh?
[22:45:57] <Jymmm> I have a HP20s, and when I looked up on Hp's website, they no longer have any good calcs anymore. that really sucks
[22:46:09] <robin_sz> i use dc
[22:46:33] <robin_sz> you know that one?
[22:46:42] <Jymmm> dc calc? nope
[22:46:47] <robin_sz> yo uhave linux?
[22:46:55] <Jymmm> heh, yeah
[22:47:06] <robin_sz> well type dc on a xterm
[22:47:08] <Jymmm> I mean t one that takes batteries
[22:47:26] <daryl> Ever try octave?
[22:47:40] <robin_sz> mmm, not heard of it .. is it rpn?
[22:48:05] <daryl> not really.. ever use matlab?
[22:48:08] <robin_sz> nope
[22:48:14] <Jymmm> matlab $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4
[22:48:23] <daryl> Ever use scilab Jymmm?
[22:48:34] <Jymmm> nope, just my HP20s =)
[22:48:42] <daryl> scilab = free matlab
[22:49:07] <Jymmm> ah, well I barely know what some of the buttons on my calc are for as it is =)
[22:49:26] <daryl> A bit lacking in documentation, but surprisingly good.
[22:49:31] <robin_sz> I had a early ti rpn and loved it, finding dc on linux made me ahppy again
[22:49:32] <Jymmm> That was one of my goals in life.... To know what every button on my calculator is for =)
[22:50:23] <daryl> It's a worthy goal.
[22:50:23] <robin_sz> Jymmm: ever used an rpn calculator?
[22:50:44] <Jymmm> robin_sz once... many many moons ago
[22:51:15] <robin_sz> weirdly, I prefer them to "normal" ones still,
[22:51:30] <daryl> Woohoo! build done.
[22:51:45] <Jymmm> I dont think thats weird, I just never learned it
[22:51:51] <daryl> Yeah... once you use rpn for a while, you'll never go back.
[22:51:56] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:52:13] <daryl> I find it really hard to do anything with a regular calculator
[22:52:43] <robin_sz> its also good for posting definitive proofs in mailing lists, becaus eyou can do the calc and paste it as tex, with the right answer, but none of the newbs can figure out what the hell it means :)
[22:53:08] <Jymmm> robin_sz example?
[22:53:49] <robin_sz> hmm ...
[22:54:33] <robin_sz> ok, so in long hand ...
[22:54:55] <robin_sz> (3 x 2)/( 5 - 3)
[22:55:35] <Phydbleep> 3
[22:55:37] <robin_sz> and in dc ..
[22:55:40] <robin_sz> 3 2 * 5 3 - / p
[22:56:21] <anonimasu> rpn?
[22:56:32] <anonimasu> ah.. reverse polish notation..
[22:56:41] <robin_sz> yeah, dc is a linux comand line rpn calc
[22:56:42] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[22:56:52] <anonimasu> I love my calc..
[22:56:55] <anonimasu> casio somthing
[22:57:04] <Phydbleep> Yeah, I hate that.. I'd rather have a paper and pencil. :)
[22:57:17] <anonimasu> cfx-0850gb plus
[22:57:22] <Phydbleep> RPN that is.
[22:57:37] <robin_sz> as easy to learn as polish backwards :)
[22:58:05] <Phydbleep> I never learn Polish at all. :)
[22:58:12] <Phydbleep> Learned.
[22:59:32] <anonimasu> goodnight
[22:59:35] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is off now
[22:59:41] <robin_sz> night
[22:59:49] <Phydbleep> G'nite. :)