who knows how to use a grinding wheel on a lathe? Outside grinding...
Ircaddict, well you're LOTSA help.
les... would know.
he knows everything I need to know.
who else in here would know... no one that I know of... gezr would know too. but he's not kicking
A-L-P-H-A: What are you trying to grind?
* Phydbleep has a lathe and know how to setup a grinder..
* Phydbleep beats A-L-P-H-A with a stick..
* Phydbleep was just beating A-L-P-H-A with a stick..
* anonimasu beats A-L-P-H-A
* Phydbleep gets bored and sticks A-L-P-H-A with a beat.. The lame ass one they use for the music in cheap pornos...
Wow.. I'm impressed.. "New Skin - Liquid Bandage" is the shiznit..
* anonimasu yawns
I could have stuffed a quarter in the slice in my toe last night.. Now it's just a red line with a slight gloss to the skin around it.
I should have a shower then head off to work
Work? On a Saturday? BLASPHEMER! :)
* Phydbleep prays for anonimasu's weekend.
Oh Great Oly, That from which all cheap beer flows..
We beseach thee to take pity on this poor wretched sinner and deliver him to the corner tavern..
And lead him not to the temptation that is Coors..
Hehehe... Hows that for a prayer for your weekend?
sounds like what we call beer over here ;)
Coors is more like screwing in a canoe..
Or the white label stuff that just says "BEER".
well time to head back to work
hmm... picked on while I'm not here.
Phydbleep, grinding mild steel.
what time is it there?
Time: 14:00:09 -0500 GMT, Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), AMD XP 2800+ running at (1-AMD , 2123MHz, 512KB (0% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 602/1024MB (58.79%), C: 47.01gb of 75.42gb free, D: 0gb of 0gb free, N: 47.15gb of 372.62gb free, Current Uptime: 3days 20hrs 47mins 36secs, Record Uptime: 3wks 12hrs 48mins 50secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
so has everyone flown over to the states for codefest?
I have no idea
like no one's here.
paul's gone, les... swpadnos.
* anonimasu nods
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anonimasu. you need to register your nick.
checking my mail is such a hassle
type /msg nickserv help
I'll do it later tonight..
going to go for a drive to check if anyone's at the lan party..
admit it... you're cruising for hookers.
the closest hookers from here is in finland..
heard of the PHONE?
wonder if they look good.
I wonder if sweden has many hookers...
or the swiss...
hm, I wouldnt know
I know the denmark does.
probably as many as in usa..
red light district and all.
more in denmark though
and those dirty English.
USA has tones.
probably all the hookers, would in USA would equal the total population of some small countries.
probably all the hookers in USA would equal the total population of some small countries.
there's less here I think
Italy there's some... or so this documentary made it out to be...
Albanian sex slaves...
this was a "national geographic" documentary, on human cargo/slave trade.
it's not SLAVES in the sense of ball and chain... but take a fish out of it's element, and it's hard for it to survive without help.
I know what you mean
you cant go anywhere without a passport..
so... people that trade human lives, tricks/kidnaps a victim, and moves them elsewhere, and forces them to do stuff.
A-L-P-H-A: like anyone of thoose people can afford that?
and so, if your captors take your passport, they own you... cause you don' speak the language.
* A-L-P-H-A notices that everyone likes to ignore dmess.
oh yeh...starts monday
anyone using tool length?
my tools length is none of your business.
you are not a machine...maybe a robot :-)
i get wierd response after a g43 hn
dave-e. sorry... I don't know it. I actually repostion the tool most of the time. Or I just use ONE tool.
for the whole part.
my parts take multiple tools
as long as your better half doesn't take multiple tools. :)
using 2.18 and month old cvs
invoke tool length with g43 H1 (first tool)
z display immediately shows tool length
g1 x 1 y 1
and z heads for the deck
only if one commands a discrete z does it work
add the g43 to the 1st Z move line
3 surface startup should work too
ok i'm easy
so G1 g43 h1 x 1 y 1
make your post say goo x ...y .... s...m3
g43 z ... h.... m8
ah i'll go tryit.
works on everthing else ive worked on
ALPHA... wifey bought a new multi function print/scan/fax machine that makes scanning manuals a breeze
dmess, why are you scanning manuals? you own them already.
a cd or ftp site is alot lighter to carry
Toshiba only sent hard copies
it's a photo/scan/fax thingier... how hard could it be?
double sided... into pdf... an i think they are right... shees feeder
dmess, I bet your kid could figure it out, quicker than you could read the manual.
when I was 3... my mother didn't know how to operate the photo copier...
had some bad news this am... ex -canadian hang/paragliding champion died yesterday at Quest air in Fla.
a neightbour was over babysitting me... and saw me plug in the photocopier into the wall, turn it on, and photocopy my hand, and turn it off, and unplug it.
diving for a bag a money... ; (
just a shame
diving in a paraglider? for a physical bag of money? or a prize?
my life is worth more then $250.
it's worth... well... depend son how long I get to live after getting that money.
say, I'm 25 now... and I get $5billion dollars, and I get to live for another 50 years. I'd do it.
he was flyin' in the HG competition... but as a side note the pilots had a stuffsac of $$ if you could skim and grab it .. then go for it...
dmess, buahhaha. Darwinian evolution working it's magic. :)
sorry, I have no pitty on stupidity.
was a trashy day... he come in at over 85 mph and hooke the base bar... snapped the front flyin wire and pancaked int the planet.. i figure with about 31 G force
was only wearing a bean bucket .. not a full face... he died en-rout to hospital
his father died in a paraglider about '98 or so.. his dad was insirational in inventing HG & PG in canada
cool sport... I'd do it for the relaxing value... not the thrill value.
thats the thing to do it for...
I don't do it through...
I wanna go skydiving again.
when you make a bad decision in thes sport its not just some busted up teeth
well, it was technically parachuting.
I had a natural high for like a week I think.
oh thatw how your 1st high flight makes ya feel
fuck. I feel stupid... planning on what to wear now for this date I have tonight.
wanna impress.... go naked
You know... I don't even want to get naked with her, "today". It's the first date.
what kinda attitude is that... she want to het laid... man .. get'r'gone....
The kind of attitute that I want to get for the 3rd date.
good luck... ; )
clean up and make yourself smell pretty
hmm.. nap. vacuum car. shower, and stuff. head out.
new job has a cafeteria... not just a lunch room
where? the place by olympia?
yes... Messier-Dowty... make landing gear..
Do they have cafeteria food? can anyone go into there and order cafeteria food?
with those sexy cafeteria ladies with moles, and big hairnets.
and those rubber gloves surving you slope onto a tray.
my 2nd day i got an e mail from the head chef askin if i had and kosher or vegitarian requirments...
The Hangar Caf�
Menu for the Week of: April 25-29
Day of the Week Soup of the Day Grill Special Main Entr�e
Monday Cream of Cauliflower Whistle Dog (Bacon
& Cheese) w/ Teriyaki Beef Wraps w/ Fries or Salad
Fries or Salad
**Vegetarian Wraps w/ Salad**
Tuesday Navy Bean Same
Macaroni w/ Meat or Vegetarian Sauce w/ Caesar
Wednesday Chicken Noodle Same Chicken Bakes or Vegetarian
Bakes w/ Fries or Salad
Thursday Pasta Fagoli Same
Homestyle Baked Ham w/ Scalloped Potatoes &
Friday All Day Breakfast!!!
Menu Subject To Change.
i could get fat there
A-L-P-H-A: Did you get your grinder set up?
* Phydbleep comes wandering back from the land of Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
03rumley * 10emc/src/emctask/emctaskmain.cc: (log message trimmed)
Interpreter startup test changed to fix incorrect g-code in the ini file from preventing the interpreter to load.
Bad g-code will simply return the error, but not kick out the startup of the interpreter.
emctaskPlanClose() 'if' conditionals fixed. Limit switch hits, etc, would cause
continuous calls to emctaskPlanClose(). These checks were apparently in place at
one point previous to this. On my system, the task period is fast enough that
the repeated calls to emctaskPlanClose() would trip off the 'limit overide'
03rumley * 10emc/src/emctask/emctask.cc:
Added axes in position check to the MDI call to rs274ngc_synch().
This fixes the MDI bug with axis motion on un-specified axes, if those axes were in motion when the command was given.
03rumley * 10emc/src/emctask/emcsh.cc: #ifdef'd the INCH_PER_MM to get rid of a compiler warning from the inclusion of rs274ngc.hh in emc.hh
03rumley * 10emc/src/emcnml/ (emc.cc emc.hh):
Include rs274ngc.hh, to get fix use of hard coded values here dependent on the values set in rs274ngc.hh.
EMC_TASK_ACTIVE_G_CODES to RS274NGC_ACTIVE_G_CODES
EMC_TASK_ACTIVE_M_CODES to RS274NGC_ACTIVE_M_CODES
nice config CIA-8
03rumley * 10emc/src/rs274ngc_new/ (4 files): (log message trimmed)
1. G92 fixes and modifications (added P<coordinate sys 1-9> modifier, to set origin offsets as if G10)
2. G10 fixes and modifications
3. Coordinate system change save G92 offsets and take them
out of effect. (Can be left on via P2 modifier)
4. No MDI error check bug fixed
5. P value check added to convert_coordinate_system()
* Jymmm pokes robin_sz with a <insert somethign here>
ooh, lots of mods to the interp ...
isn't there supposed to be a shed load of mods to the interp waiting, like subroutines etc?
mined ewe, even those few look worthwhile backporting into the G200X interp ...
you know ...
the emc interp was ported to the Rabbit for use on the G200X
as mods get made to the interp, we have to backport them onto the code we have in the G200X codebase
its a pretty manual thing
oh, two differnet "projects" huh?
I didn't realize that.
yeah, the G200x is nothing to do with emc, we just use the interp
is that the purpose of emc2?
to eliminate the backporting?
emc2 was meant to be a clean break from emc, to rid ourselves of the cruft
plenty of cruft followed us
So, what (if anything) is Mariss trying to adhere to "standards" wise?
pure step/dir and gcode?
right now ...
it does step/dir
(at anything up to 4 mhz)
has the emc interp
so 6 chn of motion
and 4 analogue in/outs
16 outs too
of straight digital IO
plus .... ;)
Huh? you mena an interface board?
03rumley * 10emc/src/rs274ngc_new/ (4 files): (log message trimmed)
Rev 2: (of 4)
1. Optional allow MS-DOS format files, and files w/o RS274NGC delimiters,
'%', M02, or M30.
RS274NGC_FILE_DELIMITERS used to turn on and off strict adherence
at compile time, rs274ngc.hh. Default is off.
2. Semi-colon comment capability
not an interface baord
a full motion controller
complete with emc interp
oh, no computer huh?
and a procesor
thats a possibilty .. right now it has a USB lead and a display as gUI on a PC or laptop
but you could make up some push buttons and a keypad if you wanted
seems redundant, especially on how cheap computers are these days. But I suspect it's an "embedded" all-in-one soltuion
yeah, just using a laptop is my preferrd choice .. with one of these cards it really sings
just like a headless computer
I love sparc stations for that...
just toss on a serial cable and you gor console!
or a modem
I prefer a laptop and a wireless card
wireless + robotic == bad thing imo
Love the concept, just dont' trust it.
even with security/encryption
thats what I like about htis powered off USB
if the laptop dies, everything stops
you hope =)
robin_sz, no codefest for you?
A-L-P-H-A: So WTH are you trying to grind? Just a round smooth patch or is it a cam?
A-L-P-H-A: I think my days with emc are about done ..
robin_sz you leaving emc?
leaving? its not soemting you join is it?
robin_sz: He's wondering why you're thinking of buggering off, Me too. :)
well ... having played with the G200X ... emc is so far behind now, its unlikely to ever catch up
the geckodrive motion controller
now .. that thing can spin motors
I've never seen one, But figure it's a embedded solution.
robin_sz didnt you say it's based upon emc?
its a bord on a USB lead, with the EMC interpreter for gcode and produces pulses for step/dir drives
Jymmm: it uses the emc interp
[22:18:43] <robin_sz> http://www.quacky.co.uk/~robin/G200X.jpg
there are other versions in cases, with screw terminals etc for those that like that sort of thing
No, The 2xX berg conn in the middle.
thats where the Rabbot plugs in
little 22mhz Z80 based thing
runs the interp, planms the motion, runs the IO etc
flashable I suspect?
Ahh... That's what I'm going to be using a PIC-18F452x for..
I like the rabbits ...
whats this rabbit thing (no pink nose I suspect)
they come wit 512K ram. 512K flash and plenty of IO for like 30GBP
Hehehe.. Mine are ~$12. :)
He's back! :)
X just shat itself
the dev kit is like 180 USD ... with compiler, leads, dev board, a rabbit etc
robin_sz: WTF? Are you trying to run emc/xmms/vlc and Doom-III all on the same box?
03rumley * 10emc/src/rs274ngc_new/ (4 files): (log message trimmed)
Rev 3: (3 of 4)
1. Abstracted m code names in the same manner as g-codes.
2. Changed m-code handling to a 2D array
of the form m_modes[mode][<index>], where <index> is the LETTER_INDEX enum
set in rs274ngc.hh. (CODE, P, Q currently)
P and Q hold an index to the related value stack, and CODE holds the m-code
ooh, lots of mods coming in ...
I do hope they manage to get subroutines into the interp
robin_sz: The system I'm trying is ~$12 for dual parallel or ~$17 for usb.. :)
lpt1 + lpt2 == 16 bit data path @ 1 mHz.
lpt is dead
dead as ISA
Dead as EISA?
maybe even that dead
Ooohh.. That's pretty dead..
I have an EISA machine too .. lovely thing.
EISA... haven't heard that in years
but .. as a new thing, I wouldnt bother with LPT
USB, firewaire maybe
LPT is just to deal with old machines.. Firewire is a possibility.
* Jymmm hugs his UART
Jymmm: Get a room..
forget LPT, really, its dead
laptops no longer come with lpt
has serial too
robin_sz: Remember.. LPT is ok for cheap prototyping. :)
and usb and firewire and fdd and dvdrw
usb is cheap.
So am I. :)
But I'm not easy. :)
I bet an lpt cable cost mroe than the lpt cable
earth lang robin_sz, earht lang
anyway, I have a solution that works for me now .. G200X for ~150 USD
useable GUI, smooth pulses, works striaght out of the box ..
all the user has to do is install the GUI on a laptop and they are off
robin_sz: I was going to use emc2 for the gui layer.
the GUI for this thing is open source and cross platform ..
why not start on that
and .. I even build the Windows .exe on my linux box :)
Hmmm, hal looked like the way to go.. All this really needs is a readout/control head and it could actually be a LCD with a cut down usb kb.
HAL is a fine piece of work
JMK has doen a LOT of really nice stuff in there
* Imperator_ leaves for travelling to EMC Fest
set the encoder ppr, set leadscrew length/turns, set drive V/A curves, zero and run. :)
see if you can drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st century
Phydbleep: yeah, thats pretty much what i have here on the 200X
* Phydbleep has a Jeep that will tow a house..
Think that could grag them up to 2001?
the 200X would make a fine outboard pulsegen for emc
wonder if Art is going to the CNC workshop thing ...
That's basically what i was doing..offload everything but display and buttons to the controller/data aggregator.
seen the PMDX board from Steve Stallings?
Big, ~.7 farad caps on all the power supply lines so the system has time to write current position to fram on a power-fail.
those PMDX board look real neat
Yank the control cable and it will finish the current operation and shut-down.
thats the way to go
* Phydbleep is going for "Idiot Resistant"..
Nothing is "Idiot Proof" because you can always find a bigger idiot.
[22:42:59] <robin_sz> http://www.pmdx.com/PMDX-131/index.html
Yeah, Google. :)
"when trying to make something completely idiot proof, people often underestimate the sheer resourcefulness of complete idiots"
robin_sz I dont get the reasoning behind the G200X. If it still requires the use of a computer be connected to it, why bother?
That is close, but I want this moodular where 1 channel can blow and you just swap in a spare.
All the encoder electronics fit in the encoder shell, and the drive chnnels end up as ~ 50mm x 70mm x 100mm with the heatsinks per.
Jymmm: because it works, ive not seen a computer based solution that is capable of driving modern steppers with microsteppign drives
the aggregator is ~ 25mm x 100mm x 100mm.
* Phydbleep is thinking DINrail mount style.
Or an old 5.25 FH SCSI chassis.
Jymmm: and for a commercial solution, the G200X works out about $400 cheaper than EMC
with EMC you would have to ship a pre-configured computer .. with the G200X they can just us a laptop or whatever
for "low end" users (ie with IQ in single figures) a BDI disk is not an option
robin_sz: USB adds <$5 to me design.
its a good solution
using the FTDI chip?
Yeah, It will be there as an option, but i'm still going to proto with lpt.
16C745 or similar.
I suppose it makes the programming easier
but its more expenssive for production
Whole system will be incircuit program for firmware updates.
yeah, the 200X does that
the fpga is loaded onthe fly
2 cpu's per channel for encoder/driver, 1 for the aggregator, 1 for the usb. :)
and the Rabbit can easily be re-flashed
sounds WAY more expensive than the 200X to build already ...
Yeah, Parts cost for 5 channels of 100V 10A drive w/ encoders is <$110.
yeah MUCH more expensive than the 200X
oh, with drives
thats not bad then
I reckon parts wise the 200X is about $25~30
plus a rabbit
Modular design, Blow an encoder or driver and swap a board out, Drive boards are ~ $17 in parts.
$35 for 200V 20A driver.
Hehehe... Spindle drive, :)
could the small drivers do 0-5v input for control?
with a direction logic input?
all the small drivers are I^2C control from the aggregator.. It will understand whatever it's programmed for. :)
I could probably make it grok g-code directly.
so no analogue input to the driver?
and this is some new high-speed mode of i^2C?
or will you be able to get drive requests down to the drive fast enough, say 1Khz?
on standard i^2c
not the mode I used way long ago then
03rumley * 10emc/src/rs274ngc_new/ (4 files):
Rev 4: (4 of 4)
1. Added in Ken Lerman's subroutine and conditionals enhancements
(Didn't get his latest fix merged in, yet)
2. Small fix for case of zero length line, and skipping. Case exists with block delete '/' or
READ_FULL_COMMENT OFF (rs274ngc.hh)
3. Various indentation and comments cleaned up from the last commit.
The encoders report @ 100 KHz and I was going to run the motor drives @ 1Mbit to get a decent microstep/pwm output.
the subroutine mods just went in :)
See? and you were going to bugger off and buy a gecko. :)
and? I'm going to go and copy those mods into the gecko right away ...
nah, thats OD for you
I suspect you'll see that and the segmotqueue stuff in the new version of Mach2/3 too
except you wont
because Mach is closed source
at least the gecko stuff is open source
well, apart from the FPGA itself
but the interface to it is public
This is all going to be pd/gpl when I'm done.
you just going to publish the desing or sell hardware?
Schematics, code, encoder generation code.. All of it.
so not a commercial offering then ...
WTH would I want to sell hardware? That's paperwork and real work.. :)
robin_sz but he's gonna give us all we want to beta test for him!
its also a way to earn money for food
food? what's that?
not every cnc hobbyist can build PCBs
once I have somethign to cnc on, I want to do a few pcb's
* Phydbleep is a prime example
robin_sz oh you mean for profit?
no I mean making pcbs is a messy business
I can use the ferric cloride, but everything for photo xfer makes me sicker than hell.
sodium hydroxide (lye) solution?
chemical sensitivities... Acetone, ketones, some food additives.. Bleah!
oh you dont need those anymoe
not for prototypes
laser printer, lye solution .. thats it
I've seen the laser/iron method but I've got a crap printer cartridge and scratches in the drum.
no .. not the iron on one
the photo one
Do tell. :)
you print onto some Laserstar paper
put it over some photo sensitive board ...
20 mins in the UV
2 mins in lye and wash
even the PCB houses dont use film anymore
know what they do?
photo board is out for me.. It outgasses..
Even hte pre-treated stuff. :(
they just put photboard in a big flat-bed laser printer
it prints the UV directly onto the photobaord :)
and when doing multi-layer stuff .. can you imagine how carefully you have to place the board inthe machine each time to get the layers right?
well .. heres the thing ... you just toss it in. it spots the index marks and adjusts the print :)
it even takes account of the changes in size of the board with temperature ..
I just want to make a few of these PCB's http://www.pilotltd.net/cnc.htm
so .. soldering is out for you too?
I can solder, I have a fume vent,
i just can't deal with things that will outgas later, like paint, glue..
Phydbleep 90% of every plastic on the planet
Phydbleep hopw you dont have anything teflon in your home
Jymmm: I think that's part of the problem. I've been dicthing plastic where practical.
Jymmm: : look horrible .. .old non-microstepped L297 based things
Teflon (PTFE) == toxic
Teflon is ok as long as you dont heat it.
but mainly inert
Phydbleep cooking bacon in a teflon pan exceeds its rated temp
of 450 F... rasies it to 520 F
I don't use it around food.
like he said
Teflon is ok as long as you dont heat it
robin_sz: Or cook with it. :)
its a pretty inert engineering plastic though
UHMW is non toxic, even when burnt
theres plenty of more toxic and more reactive plastics about
polystyrene for instance
* Phydbleep thinks Jymmm has an odd idea of "Non-Toxic"
or any styrene
robin_sz PTFE is one of the nastiest when heated though.
Phydbleep what, UHMW? go look at the MSDS
theres worse .. much worse
* Phydbleep has smelled roasting uhmw.. P!U!
CO and CO2
and paints ... most paints are much worse than most plastics
Mmmmmmmmm lead paint =)
Dumbass tried to take a 1" cut at 2K rpm.. galled the tip, melted the part, stunk up the whole shop.
my mate andy has two 20Kg pots in his shed
of pot cyanide :)
pot == jar (I hope)
if you are going to plate metals its handy
oh yeah.... just hope the gardener dont go... whats this? sniff
just dont mix it with acids :)
oh it smells nice enough
like almonds, or cherries
that "sweet" smell
you know that if you crush and eat 50 cherry stones, you could die?
same for almond hulls.
60 apples seeds iirc too
~250mg of cyanide is the LD50 for humans
robin_sz: that sounds like much
what's in apple seeds?
~250mg? 0.25 of a gramme?
not a lot
anonimasu: people usually put more salt than that on fries.
fortunatley its non cumulative
* Phydbleep does the happy dance..
you can have a bit each day and live
My linear sensor array sample is here. :)
4096 ppr encoders..
* Phydbleep looks in the box again..
* Phydbleep looks in the bag in the box..
* Phydbleep looks in the tiny plastic package in the bag..
* Phydbleep gets a magnifying glass..
Ahh.. There it is. :)
Holy Kerap!.. This thing is tiny.. 0.5mm x 0.25 mm x 6mm
hm, I am going to play with qt tomorrow
That's how it all fits in the encoder shell.
like a smt resistor?
50mm x 50mm x 15mm for hte complete encoder
going to electroform the codewheels?
More like a bit of mechanical pencil leaad.
robin_sz: Photo or 4800 dpi inkjet.
you reckon it injet will be IR opaque enough?
how much did electroforming work out at?
robin_sz: It will be with this ink. Epson Durabright print with all 4 colors. :)
they print the negaitve in resist onto a sheet of stainless
The Mongo remote for the TV won't punch a signal through it @ 1"
then plate it with nickel
then just bend it and all the little encoder wheels pop off ...
can be very cost effective
Cool, I might have to try that.
nickel wont bond to stainless
unless you give it a gold plate first
I was going to print these on 1.8" "mailing tabs" (clear polystyrene sticky dots) and laminate it between 2 layers of 1mm lexan.
seems doomed to failure
2mm of lexan?
I might use just the one layer with the sticky on it.. Focus is not an issue.. slot for emitter.
I have one word ...
The detector is .25mm from the disk.
ah well, it shoud be fun anyway
Woah.. What i want is a USDigital E3 equivalent and they want $50 ea.. :\
sounds cheap to me
Correction.. $75 each for 1/2" shaft hole.
l297 does do microstepping?
no the L297 does not
its full or half step
any dropin replacement for it?
chip, not driver