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[00:07:01] <Ircaddict> uh yeah, so anyway, did anyone have a clue what the hell he was talking about with this... torpedo magnet idea?
[00:46:31] <Jymmm> Ircaddict 7500' deep mine shaft + faraday's law == a whole lot of electricity
[02:34:05] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has to give in to curiosity and ask..
[02:34:23] <Phydbleep> Is picnet a program or a person?
[02:56:13] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleepy, (s)he's a person.
[02:56:30] <A-L-P-H-A> only bots I know of... CIA-X, and logger_aj.
[04:05:39] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : A-L-P-H-A is a bot
[04:05:55] <Jymmm> and on that note... G'Night Folks!
[04:32:09] <Phydbleep> Ow! OW! OW!..
[04:32:47] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep just sliced his big toe on a piece of broken formica.
[04:34:05] <Phydbleep> I dont know which one hurts worse, the cut or the antiseptic.. OW!
[04:37:10] <Phydbleep> The antiseptic.. definately the antiseptic...
[05:51:55] <anonimasu> morning
[05:53:59] <Imperator_> morning
[05:57:17] <anonimasu> what's up?
[05:57:32] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is looking at casting alu
[06:00:56] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ wants to make another test of casting polymer concrete to show on fest
[06:02:22] <anonimasu> nice
[06:02:22] <anonimasu> :)
[06:02:26] <anonimasu> how did the last test go
[06:02:27] <anonimasu> ?
[06:04:54] <Imperator_> casting is not that problem, but i have to test the material
[06:05:10] <Imperator_> therefore i need other testing sticks
[06:05:22] <Imperator_> who fit on the testing machine
[06:06:35] <anonimasu> ah ok
[06:16:19] <anonimasu> I've got a roller throttle body design I am going to make.. but the size I'll need of alu is hard to get unless I but 6 meter
[06:16:23] <anonimasu> buy..
[10:24:55] <Jymmm> hola
[10:25:44] <alex_joni> hey
[10:26:21] <Jymmm> how goes it?
[10:30:32] <alex_joni> good
[10:30:41] <alex_joni> fighting with spamassassin
[10:31:38] <Jymmm> who's winning?
[10:34:51] <alex_joni> ME :D
[10:34:56] <Jymmm> lol
[10:35:10] <alex_joni> hardly
[10:37:56] <Jymmm> sounds more like "barely" =)
[10:38:26] <alex_joni> yeah
[10:39:27] <Jymmm> thus why I love having my own mail server =)
[10:39:44] <alex_joni> this is my mail server :((
[10:39:53] <Jymmm> ROTF!
[10:39:55] <alex_joni> Restarting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: fatal: cannot run as nonexistent user or root with -u option
[10:40:13] <alex_joni> I just want it to be able to access /etc/spamassassin/bayes_*
[10:40:56] <Jymmm> There's such an better way to deal with spam, but most folks dont understand the RFC's well enough.
[10:41:10] <alex_joni> heh
[10:42:45] <Jymmm> and the funny thing is you dont have to receive the spam to block it either.
[10:43:30] <Jymmm> unlike spamassin
[10:44:22] <acemi> is there a command like emc_tool_offset, but which give the tool's diameter?
[12:16:21] <alex_joni> acemi: what kind of command?
[12:16:28] <alex_joni> I mean: where do you want to use it?
[12:16:34] <alex_joni> program? or interface?
[12:16:52] <acemi> in tkemc, i want to show current tool's diameter
[12:17:06] <alex_joni> so from emcsh ?
[12:17:10] <acemi> interface
[12:17:41] <acemi> yes
[12:22:37] <alex_joni> acemi: no there isn't
[12:22:47] <alex_joni> but you should have access to the tool table file
[12:22:51] <alex_joni> which has those values
[12:23:05] <acemi> ok, thanks alex_joni
[12:26:58] <Jymmm> Ya know... When you're going thru a tutorial, you expect the tutorial to be correct! (bastards)
[12:27:51] <alex_joni> heh..
[12:27:57] <alex_joni> Jymmm: whatcha talking about?
[12:28:03] <alex_joni> acemi: don't mention it
[12:28:13] <alex_joni> don't think it would be difficult to add it though
[12:28:21] <alex_joni> not very usefull... but it's doable
[12:28:37] <acemi> i will try
[12:59:31] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[12:59:31] <alex_joni> bye
[13:18:43] <Deech> good morning.
[13:19:00] <Deech> has anyone successfully used emc to control vector drives?
[14:29:33] <joe2000chevy> hello
[14:33:34] <joe2000chevy> have a quick question on setting in ini file if someone can help me?
[14:34:08] <joe2000chevy> how to set feed override? it is default to 100 like to set it to 30 if possible
[14:40:27] <acemi> joe2000chevy, do you use tkemc as user interface?
[14:42:58] <joe2000chevy> no mini
[14:43:26] <joe2000chevy> i like the way it looks, i did not try the tkemc, looks more like a dos prog.
[14:43:40] <joe2000chevy> also there is a Axis?
[14:43:54] <acemi> you can add "emc_feed_override 30" in /usr/local/emc/plat/linux_rtai/bin/mini
[14:44:09] <acemi> after the line: set tkemc 1
[14:46:29] <joe2000chevy> well i use the generic.ini
[14:49:13] <joe2000chevy> i have not gone to the plat directory
[14:56:32] <acemi> I use BDI 4.20 and I have /usr/local/emc/plat/ directory
[14:57:03] <joe2000chevy> yea its prob. there but i only have edited the generic.ini file under the emc directory
[14:57:20] <joe2000chevy> i thought thats where i would do it at?
[14:58:19] <acemi> you can edit other file as root
[14:59:01] <joe2000chevy> which other file?
[15:02:17] <acemi> I don't know well but I think that you can't do that in .ini file. you must change mini file
[15:02:44] <acemi> mini is in /usr/local/emc/plat/linux_rtai/bin directory
[15:03:01] <acemi> i tried this and it's OK
[15:03:45] <joe2000chevy> so the mini.ini in that directory?
[15:04:07] <acemi> only mini, no mini.ini
[15:04:09] <joe2000chevy> i'm at work so i can not look at it now :(
[15:04:33] <joe2000chevy> ok only mini and can be edited with the text editor
[15:04:41] <acemi> yes
[15:05:07] <acemi> there is a line as "set tkemc 1"
[15:05:26] <joe2000chevy> ok kewl, i will try it later this afternoon, now to print out this messages :)
[15:05:39] <acemi> below this you must add: emc_feed_override 30
[15:05:57] <joe2000chevy> i really apriciate it,
[15:06:27] <joe2000chevy> its a bummer then you have your material set and then startoff at the wrong feed rate when you forget to change it manually
[15:22:22] <Jymmm> joe2000chevy "Then don't do that" =)
[15:31:47] <joe2000chevy> lol
[16:46:38] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[16:49:30] <Jymmm> * Jymmm grabs anonimasu by the throat and pours down a pot of coffee! Cream & Sugar?
[16:50:47] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, you need to get out more.
[16:51:02] <anonimasu> * anonimasu throws up at Jymmm
[16:51:17] <anonimasu> Thanks
[16:51:33] <anonimasu> nothing like some gall early in the evening
[16:51:46] <anonimasu> to get ready for the party later tonight
[16:51:47] <anonimasu> ^_^
[16:52:25] <anonimasu> just kidding
[16:58:36] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A "May the fleas of 1000 camels infest your motor drivers!"
[16:58:59] <Jymmm> New meaning to "Snap, Crackle, and Pop!"
[17:05:42] <anonimasu> hm, brb engraving somthing
[17:07:44] <Jymmm> what ya engraving?
[17:08:06] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/iotest/
[17:08:09] <anonimasu> on somthing
[17:08:10] <anonimasu> ;)
[17:08:35] <anonimasu> brb
[17:08:39] <Jymmm> k
[17:09:07] <tonyp> I need some help with some limit switches please
[17:10:16] <A-L-P-H-A> tonyp? the problem being?
[17:10:25] <A-L-P-H-A> without an expressed question, you won't get an answer.
[17:10:49] <tonyp> just wondering if anyone was listening
[17:10:56] <A-L-P-H-A> of course not.
[17:11:08] <tonyp> when connecting the 5v to the rs232.
[17:11:33] <tonyp> does it matter what pin I use or do I have to connect to all 12,13 and 15
[17:12:02] <tonyp> limits are prox wired in parallel
[17:12:24] <Jymmm> Um.... RS232 is serial, and typically has 9 pins.
[17:12:30] <tonyp> through a relay that will send the 5v to the par port
[17:12:39] <tonyp> woops, the par port
[17:13:15] <A-L-P-H-A> uh... rs232 is different than ttl.
[17:13:23] <A-L-P-H-A> rs232 runs are 10V. and ttl runs at 5v.
[17:13:27] <A-L-P-H-A> don't mix and match that.
[17:13:29] <tonyp> it is not an rs232
[17:13:40] <tonyp> it is the par port
[17:13:41] <A-L-P-H-A> well you typed that. :)
[17:13:50] <tonyp> yes I know.
[17:14:10] <A-L-P-H-A> so, connect the limit switches in series, and then to the parallel port. SEt it in software weither it'd be high or low.
[17:14:30] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A in series?
[17:14:33] <A-L-P-H-A> you'll need only 1 pin.
[17:14:46] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, yeah, limit switches in series. home switches individually.
[17:15:09] <tonyp> home is using the limit switches
[17:15:14] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A Eh, I guess it's just preference. I prefer parallel =) Less troubleshooting
[17:15:31] <A-L-P-H-A> pin X (just one pin) -> Switch -> switch -> switch -> X Switches -> gnd.
[17:15:37] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm? what are you smoking?
[17:15:50] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A I'm series
[17:15:53] <Jymmm> serious
[17:16:08] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A think xmas lights
[17:16:24] <A-L-P-H-A> well, you could do parallel, I guess... but series would work perfectly fine. Less wires.
[17:16:31] <A-L-P-H-A> less dangling cables.
[17:17:04] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A wires are no biggy to me, used to 100 wire bundles
[17:17:04] <tonyp> all the output and input from the limit/home are wired together and run to the 24 v transformer then out to one relay
[17:17:06] <A-L-P-H-A> tonyp, so you'll need END limit switches. So if you have 3 axies... 1 pin for hte limit switches, and 3 pins for the home switches.
[17:17:22] <A-L-P-H-A> tonyp. ACK!
[17:17:37] <tonyp> the relay will send 5v to the computer
[17:17:39] <A-L-P-H-A> my gah... heard of a 7805 voltage regulator?
[17:17:58] <tonyp> this is what I have to work with
[17:18:14] <A-L-P-H-A> 7805 voltage regulator. $1 at radio shack.
[17:18:48] <Jymmm> tonyp you dont have a 5v source at all?
[17:19:00] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, of course he does! he has a computer!
[17:19:11] <tonyp> yes, it is on the other side of the relay
[17:19:16] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A heh, I meant on the interface board =)
[17:19:17] <A-L-P-H-A> computer power supply: 12V, 5V, 3.3V and if you're savvy 7V.
[17:19:31] <A-L-P-H-A> why are we using a relay?
[17:19:43] <A-L-P-H-A> we being you.
[17:21:34] <tonyp> to send the 5v to the computer. the prox switches use 24 volt then send an output signal to pull the relay. the relay will then send 5 volt out to the computer via a computer power supply
[17:22:02] <Jymmm> tonyp what prox switches are you using?
[17:22:17] <Jymmm> specifically
[17:22:20] <tonyp> pnp from automation direct
[17:22:28] <tonyp> 5mm
[17:22:32] <tonyp> square
[17:22:41] <tonyp> 8mm sensing distance
[17:22:43] <Jymmm> automation direct
[17:23:47] <tonyp> I just need to know where to put the 5v on the par port. when I hit home the limits will serve for homing only one axis at a time
[17:23:58] <tonyp> then be used as end limit
[17:24:30] <Jymmm> tonyp you have a url for these by chance?
[17:26:30] <Jymmm> ah, found em
[17:27:34] <tonyp> http://web6.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Sensors_-z-_Encoders/Inductive_Proximity_Sensors/Rectangular_(CR-z-DR-z-APS_Series)/5X5mm_(CR5_Series)
[17:27:54] <tonyp> had to post it anyway just 'cause I looked it up
[17:29:06] <tonyp> anyways, paul_c sent a diagram for wiring and said to hook to 12,13 or 15 and ground to 18 thru 25
[17:29:40] <tonyp> I just wanted to make sure I dont have to jump all three together to make it work
[17:32:23] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... repeatable accuracy < 1.5% which means at 0.8mm, it'd be 0.012 mm
[17:32:38] <A-L-P-H-A> +/- 0.012 mm, repetable.
[17:33:09] <tonyp> That is all I need. only doing art work
[17:33:46] <A-L-P-H-A> I see.
[17:33:55] <A-L-P-H-A> that's not bad I'm saying.
[17:34:01] <A-L-P-H-A> and what's the cost again? $28USD?
[17:34:03] <A-L-P-H-A> +shipping
[17:34:13] <tonyp> yes
[17:35:22] <A-L-P-H-A> http://web6.automationdirect.com/static/specs/proxrectcr5.pdf I like to know hwo makes it.
[17:37:35] <tonyp> can you answer the question about which pin
[17:37:56] <A-L-P-H-A> which?
[17:38:53] <tonyp> yes do I put it to 12,13 or 15 or do I put it to 12 13 and 15
[17:39:29] <A-L-P-H-A> that's one and the same.
[17:39:37] <A-L-P-H-A> tonyp, are you asking for a wiring diagram?
[17:39:48] <tonyp> not really.
[17:40:20] <tonyp> I have it all hooked up but I didn't know if all three would need the 5v to operate all axises
[17:40:37] <tonyp> 12 13 and 15 that is
[17:41:08] <A-L-P-H-A> lets start from the basics, as I don't know what level of electronics knowledge you have.
[17:41:12] <tonyp> If I understand correctly hooking to one of the three will operate all of the axis limits and homes?
[17:41:20] <tonyp> Do I understand correctly
[17:41:34] <A-L-P-H-A> Parallel port pins can be input/output [I'd have to look up which pins are what]
[17:41:40] <A-L-P-H-A> but what you want it input.
[17:42:13] <tonyp> I dont know how the software reads each axis
[17:42:51] <A-L-P-H-A> so what you want to do, it this... give power to the sensor, and get the pulse/trigger signal back to those input pins.
[17:43:24] <tonyp> yes, but do I need it to go to all three or just one of the three
[17:43:29] <A-L-P-H-A> what I'd do, is give give power (+5VDC to pin one on the sensor). And trigger the sensor on/off, and see what's happening wtih the other pins. [which are grounded]
[17:43:57] <A-L-P-H-A> tonyp, depends on how you have them wired up. If you're using them as home sensors. ALL three sensors, get a pin each.
[17:44:21] <A-L-P-H-A> if you're using it as a limit switch, wire the sensors in series, and go to one pin.
[17:44:31] <tonyp> can I just jump 12, 13 and 15 together
[17:44:45] <tonyp> I can only home one axis at a time anyway
[17:44:57] <A-L-P-H-A> No.
[17:45:07] <A-L-P-H-A> cause once you've homed one, all the other sensors won't work.
[17:45:33] <A-L-P-H-A> cause the one sensor will be triggered, and staying on. So the software will think it's home, and never off home.
[17:45:57] <tonyp> I will set a field in the .ini to back off the switch by a specified distance
[17:46:42] <tonyp> In the ini there is a place to do this, I have worked with a machine that is set up this way and it works good. Smithy CNC mill
[17:47:19] <tonyp> I just dont know how the pins were wired
[17:47:23] <A-L-P-H-A> tonyp, how many pins do you want keep free doing nothing? and how many pins are you using to do work?
[17:48:04] <tonyp> I am only using the step and dir pins right now. then adding the home/limit today
[17:48:22] <tonyp> I wont be doing much else with them anytime soon.
[17:48:41] <A-L-P-H-A> you have 17 IO pins. 3 axis machine means 6 pins for step/direction. home switches 3 more pins (9 pins), 1pin limit switches (10 pins), still leaves you with 7 free pins.
[17:48:59] <tonyp> yes
[17:49:16] <A-L-P-H-A> I've used another 3... tach, and two power relays... I still have 4 pins free.
[17:49:42] <A-L-P-H-A> If I realy cared, I'd program a microcontroller to handle some of the relay and limit switching stuff.
[17:50:11] <tonyp> I will be doing that in the future but will need to build a new box to put the stuff in.
[17:50:31] <tonyp> the one I have now is crowded
[17:50:50] <A-L-P-H-A> tonyp, heard of the g2002?
[17:50:56] <A-L-P-H-A> or was it now renamed to g200x?
[17:51:30] <A-L-P-H-A> it'll give you a ton of IO pins, runs on USB.
[17:51:30] <tonyp> I am using the geckos. two 210's and one 201
[17:52:04] <A-L-P-H-A> the G200x is a breakout board for the step/dir drives.
[17:52:04] <tonyp> not what I was thinking about :/
[17:52:06] <A-L-P-H-A> drives.
[17:52:18] <tonyp> where can I get one
[17:52:19] <A-L-P-H-A> with many IO pins.
[17:52:30] <A-L-P-H-A> tonyp, it'll be out soon... a few people in here are testing them.
[17:52:35] <tonyp> 10
[17:52:40] <A-L-P-H-A> les, and robin_sz I believe both have one.
[17:52:52] <A-L-P-H-A> I/O, Input / Ouput pins.
[17:53:25] <A-L-P-H-A> tonyp, so why arne' tyou hapen with having 7 free pins? What else are those pins going to be doing?
[17:53:45] <tonyp> need to control dust collection, blower motor, router and speed control, lights, power supply etc
[17:54:03] <A-L-P-H-A> that's 6 pins.
[17:54:05] <A-L-P-H-A> still one free.
[17:54:42] <tonyp> right now I have the stuff hardwired to switches. 7 of them and still need three more for sure sometime in the future
[17:55:22] <A-L-P-H-A> then I'd worry about that in the future. Like getting a secondary parallel port, or use RS232/serial ports. You've got PLENTY of I/O pins on your computer.
[17:55:39] <tonyp> I am
[17:55:40] <A-L-P-H-A> but hey, if you want to get hung up about that... sure. whatever.
[17:56:05] <tonyp> that is for later. today I need limit and home
[17:56:07] <A-L-P-H-A> So, just use the 4 pins right now. 3 for the homes, and 1 for the limit switches.
[17:56:47] <Jymmm> * Jymmm tosses tonyp a contactor too!
[17:57:18] <A-L-P-H-A> contactor?
[17:57:26] <tonyp> that I will do
[17:57:36] <tonyp> thanks for all your help
[17:57:47] <tonyp> back to work, signing off
[17:58:04] <A-L-P-H-A> gah. he reminds me ofyou Jymmm.
[17:58:17] <Jymmm> whys that?
[17:58:18] <A-L-P-H-A> over thinking shit... and not getting anything done.
[17:58:50] <Jymmm> overthinking is a good thing... prevents daily nuclear detonations
[17:58:59] <A-L-P-H-A> all worried about shit that isn't happening yet. and even if it does happen... OH NO! I'll have to spend $30 to buy a PCI parallel port.
[17:59:56] <Jymmm> these a BIG difference in a $30 card -VS- considering $400 for HF mill or $200 for a shrelone cnc
[18:00:08] <Jymmm> err $2000
[18:00:22] <A-L-P-H-A> you can retrofit a sherline for cheap.
[18:00:44] <Jymmm> common mounts and couplers?
[18:01:09] <Jymmm> brb
[18:01:52] <A-L-P-H-A> well, I've got a CNC lathe alread. and a CNC mill... me doing a retro is easy and cheap.
[18:02:09] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:02:18] <anonimasu> if I were to re-do my retrofit I'd build a lathe
[18:02:30] <anonimasu> build/buy parts and have some machine shop make me mounts
[18:04:48] <anonimasu> even though that'd be relatively expensive the precision of thoose parts would be good/great
[18:15:51] <Jymmm> But I was specifically tlaking sherline =)
[18:16:21] <anonimasu> ?
[18:16:21] <anonimasu> what?
[18:16:52] <Jymmm> anonimasu retro a sherline mill to cnc
[18:17:27] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A said it was "cheap" to do, but never said how cheap
[18:17:51] <Jymmm> and I know he's an ebay whore =)
[18:19:37] <Jymmm> I'm really interested in a Sherline, but I have reservations... primarily on tooling.
[18:21:52] <anonimasu> lol
[18:22:07] <anonimasu> what on tooling?
[18:23:22] <anonimasu> I dont think that it'd be as large issue as you think :)
[18:26:54] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm? what? mounts + couplers + stepper motor + driver.
[18:27:20] <A-L-P-H-A> steppers = ebay. geckos for drivers, or make your own full/half drivers.
[18:27:49] <A-L-P-H-A> steppers, if you really wanted you can buy them direct... ~60-100 each for sherline sized.
[18:28:05] <Jymmm> what is sherline sized? nema23?
[18:28:10] <Jymmm> 17?
[18:28:21] <A-L-P-H-A> 17 would probably work... but 23 is probably what I'd go for.
[18:28:42] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd have to ask paul_c what oz/in n/m motors to use.
[18:29:03] <Jymmm> what about tooling? is it "common" for use in a sherline?
[18:29:14] <A-L-P-H-A> what tooling?
[18:29:24] <A-L-P-H-A> are we talking lathe or mill?
[18:29:24] <Jymmm> bit, mills, collets, etc
[18:29:27] <Jymmm> mill
[18:29:30] <Jymmm> or both
[18:29:34] <A-L-P-H-A> sherline has all that shit.
[18:29:37] <A-L-P-H-A> you can buy a kit.
[18:29:45] <A-L-P-H-A> ktmarketing.com
[18:30:05] <Jymmm> so it's not "off the shelf" cutters and such?
[18:30:35] <Jymmm> aka... drive to western tool and buy a end mill sirta thing
[18:30:40] <Jymmm> sorta
[18:30:51] <A-L-P-H-A> it is off the shelf.
[18:31:00] <A-L-P-H-A> like 1/4, 1/8, 3/8" shaft endmills.
[18:31:01] <anonimasu> hm, you just need collets for other stuff..
[18:31:16] <anonimasu> and when you buy a mill you usually buy a collet kit..
[18:31:19] <anonimasu> or get it with it..
[18:31:20] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd get the ER-16 collet spindle myself.
[18:31:26] <Jymmm> why?
[18:31:28] <anonimasu> unless you plan on running with a drill head..
[18:31:31] <A-L-P-H-A> ~$150 add on.
[18:31:33] <anonimasu> but that
[18:31:34] <anonimasu> that
[18:31:35] <anonimasu> err
[18:31:37] <A-L-P-H-A> cause ER-16 is good.
[18:31:38] <anonimasu> that's bad
[18:31:39] <anonimasu> :)
[18:31:43] <Jymmm> what is er16?
[18:31:50] <anonimasu> a collet size
[18:31:52] <A-L-P-H-A> collet system.
[18:32:14] <Jymmm> so, what collect comes stock with a sherline?
[18:32:32] <anonimasu> hm, what's the diff between er32 and er16?
[18:32:36] <anonimasu> size?
[18:33:32] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, yeah, sire
[18:33:33] <A-L-P-H-A> size
[18:33:36] <anonimasu> ok
[18:33:43] <Jymmm> This may sound silly, but I wish the sherline just had a "drill press" handle on the side.
[18:33:52] <A-L-P-H-A> there's like er-8 as well, which is TINY.
[18:34:03] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, cause you are silly.
[18:34:11] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A I'm serious
[18:34:16] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[18:34:23] <anonimasu> I dont get why you need handles on a cnc machine.
[18:34:26] <A-L-P-H-A> then buy yourself a shitty delta drill press from home depot.
[18:34:46] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, [tweaking] the position of a gantry.
[18:34:57] <A-L-P-H-A> sometimes quicker to just do it manually.
[18:35:02] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A I have a 12" drill press, but not for small stuff
[18:35:09] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: yeah but you can have removable ones..
[18:35:42] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: wouldnt you home both sides on a gantry machine?
[18:37:35] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, not if you're part is isn't starting there.
[18:38:05] <anonimasu> the only real reason would be to back off limit switches as I see it..
[18:38:41] <anonimasu> :)
[18:38:49] <Jymmm> anonimasu what if you just needed to take off 20 thous or cut a quick slot.
[18:38:50] <Deech> Doh!
[18:38:59] <anonimasu> although a jog wheel is a good thing ;)
[18:39:29] <Deech> I asked a question earlier and then went away. Now it's scrolled off the end of my buffer.
[18:39:39] <Deech> That's what I get for doing "work".
[18:39:43] <anonimasu> Jymmm: well, I'd think of a gantry machine as a larger machine then 5x5dm..
[18:40:03] <Jymmm> anonimasu ah
[18:40:04] <Deech> Well, I'll ask again, forgive me if someone answered me and I didn't see it.
[18:40:13] <anonimasu> logger_aj, bookmark
[18:40:13] <anonimasu> See
http://193.226.12.129/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2005-04-22#T18-40-13
[18:40:26] <anonimasu> I didnt see the question but if somone did you can look it up there
[18:40:28] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, what are you book marking?
[18:40:39] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: the logs?
[18:41:08] <A-L-P-H-A> Deech? what'd you ask?
[18:41:14] <Deech> wooo.. logs. :)
[18:41:18] <Deech> has anyone successfully used emc to control vector drives?
[18:41:56] <Deech> ah. looks like nobody answered it.
[18:42:44] <Deech> I've got an industrial robotic application that I'd like to use emc for, but we're leaning twards using vector drives instead of servos.
[18:42:46] <A-L-P-H-A> vector drivers? why not? if they're step and direction it shouldn't be an issue at all.
[18:43:07] <A-L-P-H-A> oh, vector isn't a company
[18:43:09] <Deech> hum.. not step, 0-10v analog control.
[18:43:18] <Deech> err.
[18:43:30] <Deech> motors, not drivers, if my terminology is wrong.
[18:43:32] <A-L-P-H-A> don't know then dude.
[18:43:46] <anonimasu> Deech: if you control your drives with 0-10V then it can be done
[18:43:54] <Deech> sweet.
[18:44:22] <Deech> not entirely disimilar to servos, just no rotory encoders and stops in a revolution, so low accuracy.
[18:44:24] <anonimasu> les runs a stg on he's router, and some people are running vital cards
[18:44:35] <anonimasu> ah, no idea about that
[18:45:07] <Deech> well, the trick with vectors, I'm told, is to use a brake when you want it to stop.
[18:45:17] <anonimasu> ah 3phase motors..
[18:45:30] <Deech> so, to stop the vector, you ramp down to 0v and apply a brake
[18:45:42] <anonimasu> hm.. that havent been done that I know of
[18:45:56] <Deech> weee! I love uncharted territory.
[18:46:20] <anonimasu> and I am unsure if you can use a vital or stg to do it
[18:46:26] <Jymmm> Deech Curious, whats teh benefit of vector over servo/stepper motors?
[18:46:40] <anonimasu> you could probably use the outputs..
[18:46:59] <Deech> cost, mostly
[18:47:12] <Deech> steppers don't have the strength we need
[18:47:16] <anonimasu> hm, a vital card runs at about 500$
[18:47:21] <Deech> (moveing about 3/4 of a ton around)
[18:47:30] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm craving a grilled chicken greek salad.
[18:47:30] <anonimasu> and a stg over 800$
[18:47:40] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: I hate you :D
[18:47:40] <Jymmm> greek?
[18:47:45] <anonimasu> * anonimasu craves togther with A-L-P-H-A
[18:47:48] <Deech> and servos will do it, but we only need accuracy within about 4 inches.
[18:48:27] <anonimasu> is this a repetive motion?
[18:48:30] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... but doesn't that sound good?
[18:48:31] <Deech> that's not really a big deal considering the original design with servos and ball screws will run about 25,000 before control system
[18:48:41] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: great
[18:48:47] <A-L-P-H-A> ~$5CDN I'll get one.
[18:48:50] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A: you will eat poutine and nothign but poutine!
[18:49:15] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, poutine's canuck. :D
[18:49:20] <Deech> the analog outs of the vital card is a standard +-10v
[18:49:28] <anonimasu> yep
[18:49:32] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A you are canuck! =)
[18:49:32] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm... Canadian dominance beseetches you.
[18:50:15] <Deech> so far I'm pretty sure it will work..
[18:50:16] <A-L-P-H-A> I am.
[18:50:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm also a Brit. And Chinese.
[18:50:58] <A-L-P-H-A> Deech, if not, you'd be able to create a microcontroller to do what you require.
[18:51:23] <Deech> weee! More stuff I don't know how to do!
[18:51:25] <Deech> :)
[18:51:43] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe... go with steppers and servos.
[18:52:01] <A-L-P-H-A> what's more improtant to you? cost or ease of implementation?
[18:52:06] <Deech> Cost
[18:52:23] <anonimasu> Deech: a tip, use self locking scews or a brake that locks up your design if you loose power.
[18:52:35] <anonimasu> perferably both..
[18:52:54] <Deech> Oh, the safety design team is all over that.
[18:52:54] <Deech> :)
[18:53:14] <Deech> my problem is making it move in the first place... it's there problem making it stop.
[18:53:15] <Deech> :)
[18:53:16] <Jymmm> Deech and cheaper than that.... 6' chain link fence pole; just toss it!
[18:53:18] <Deech> their
[18:53:37] <anonimasu> well, you could buy vector drives with drives that support serial commands..
[18:53:47] <anonimasu> I think LUST GMBH makse them
[18:53:50] <anonimasu> makes them..
[18:54:02] <Jymmm> Deech how many motors are you needing?
[18:54:19] <Deech> I'm currently looking at lenze products at the moment
[18:54:39] <Deech> 4 total axis I need to worry about.
[18:55:12] <A-L-P-H-A> 7 minutes... :D
[18:55:17] <A-L-P-H-A> Greek chicken salad.
[18:55:18] <A-L-P-H-A> yummy
[18:55:31] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: I like the regular ones better with feta cheese ;)
[18:55:43] <A-L-P-H-A> it does have feta in it.
[18:55:47] <anonimasu> ah ok
[18:55:50] <A-L-P-H-A> jsut with grilled chicken on top.
[18:55:52] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[18:56:35] <Deech> well, I need to make a judgement call, if the cost savings on vectors are worth the extra development time.
[18:56:54] <A-L-P-H-A> Deech, what are you making anyways?
[18:56:58] <Deech> Of course, I'm not terribly experianced with either, so the development time is going to be longish anyway.
[18:57:09] <Deech> robotic inventory storage system
[18:57:30] <A-L-P-H-A> couldn't just do a rack and pinion + barcode reader?
[18:57:48] <Deech> barcodes are unreliable in a factory environment.
[18:57:55] <A-L-P-H-A> fine. RFID.
[18:58:11] <Deech> what do you mean by rack and pinion?
[18:58:46] <A-L-P-H-A> someone explain it to him, while I go and pick up my snack.
[18:59:02] <Deech> The boxes that are being stored are below 12 x 24 and are from 50-300lbs each
[18:59:08] <anonimasu> I'll be back in a bit going to move
[18:59:24] <Deech> it's a glorified pick lift.
[18:59:46] <anonimasu> hm, how large are the shelve?
[18:59:52] <Deech> I know what "rack and pinion" is, I want to know how you're applying that to this application
[19:00:33] <Deech> the shelves will be about 24in deep, segmented into 12x112 boxes.
[19:00:55] <Deech> err
[19:00:57] <anonimasu> hm, will the loading cycle be fully automated without user input?
[19:00:57] <Deech> 12x12
[19:01:15] <Deech> the user will initiate the cycle, but other then that it's automated.
[19:01:19] <anonimasu> hm, ok
[19:02:21] <anonimasu> hm, bbl
[19:02:25] <Deech> k.
[19:02:34] <anonimasu> I'll read up on what you guys write and think a bit about it :)
[19:08:19] <A-L-P-H-A> that was fun!
[19:08:25] <A-L-P-H-A> I almost ran over two kids.
[19:08:50] <Jymmm> in purpose or accident?
[19:08:53] <Jymmm> on
[19:09:46] <A-L-P-H-A> if I did actually hit the kid, I'd say to the cop it was an accident.
[19:11:00] <Jymmm> damn right!
[19:14:20] <Jymmm> did they run out into the street?
[19:14:37] <A-L-P-H-A> would have been my fault anyways.
[19:15:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I was making a right on a red, and the kids started to walk out before green... and I looked they were already 1/2 metre into the street.
[19:20:37] <A-L-P-H-A> start to finish.
[19:20:48] <A-L-P-H-A> 26 minutes. order, pickup, eat.
[19:42:52] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: 30 minutes.. Order, Pickup, Eat, Get Heartburn. :)
[19:44:34] <A-L-P-H-A> nope.
[19:44:36] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a salad.
[19:44:41] <A-L-P-H-A> how do you heartburn from a salad?
[19:47:23] <Phydbleep> Too many ridishes?
[19:47:30] <Phydbleep> radishes..
[19:49:16] <Phydbleep> Plus with the <30 minute time frame I figured it was pizza. :)
[19:51:56] <A-L-P-H-A> radishes aren't in a greek salad.
[19:52:13] <A-L-P-H-A> it's lettice, tomatoes, red onions, olives, and feta cheese.
[19:52:27] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep knows some perverse Greeks..
[19:52:48] <Phydbleep> And that's not 'know' as in the biblical sense. :)
[19:53:06] <A-L-P-H-A> I once had these two greek sisters living together next door. The older one was hot, while the younger one was pretty blah.
[19:53:16] <Phydbleep> ROFL!
[19:53:32] <A-L-P-H-A> some are blessed, while others are not.
[19:53:52] <Phydbleep> I was over at a place where I used to work ~ 14 years ago yesterday afternoon..
[19:54:13] <Phydbleep> Had the ex-bosses 17 yo daughter making eyes at me..
[19:55:13] <Phydbleep> I threw a wet blanket at that when I asked her "Weren't you about this tall the last time I saw you?" Holding hand out at 1 meter level.
[19:55:47] <jepler> only an ex-boss? Go ahead. 17 is probably legal.
[19:56:05] <Phydbleep> And "Wow.. That phone has been in that display case since before you were born." :)
[19:56:44] <Phydbleep> I think 16 is legal in this state, But I prefer experience to enthusiasm. :)
[19:57:02] <picnet> No paulc? wow.
[19:57:10] <Phydbleep> picnet! :)
[19:57:24] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has a question for picnet...
[19:57:35] <picnet> * picnet wonders who phydbleep is.
[19:57:59] <A-L-P-H-A> hey, 17 can be pretty experienced.
[19:58:08] <Phydbleep> What does picnet mean? Is it like a PIC on a network or is it more like "If you don't stop that it will never heal"?
[19:58:23] <A-L-P-H-A> loha robin_sz.
[19:58:25] <robin_sz> evening girls ...
[19:58:36] <A-L-P-H-A> welcome lolita robin_sz.
[19:58:44] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep hands robin a clean mask.
[19:58:46] <robin_sz> * robin_sz wiggles his hips
[19:59:02] <picnet> pic = pic microcontroller range, net = a network of them. It relates to my 1994 university project where I made an Neural network simulator using pic micros, hence picnet.
[19:59:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I failed my neural networking class.
[19:59:30] <Phydbleep> picnet: Cool! heuristic network?
[19:59:32] <A-L-P-H-A> :/
[19:59:36] <robin_sz> * robin_sz has been playing with his G200X
[19:59:43] <picnet> bog standard backprop, nothing fancy then :)
[19:59:59] <picnet> hi robin
[19:59:59] <A-L-P-H-A> back propagation... heh.
[20:00:07] <A-L-P-H-A> if you got the right answer, stick.
[20:00:09] <robin_sz> hi
[20:00:11] <A-L-P-H-A> otherwise, modify yourself.
[20:00:41] <anonimasu> :)
[20:00:42] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:00:56] <robin_sz> so ... this new FPGA driven G200X rocks :)
[20:00:59] <A-L-P-H-A> haven't seen AJ all day.
[20:01:01] <A-L-P-H-A> wonder where he is.
[20:01:17] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz. and...? when are they goign to be released?
[20:01:20] <Jymmm> * Jymmm slips a peso in robin_sz's g-string
[20:01:24] <picnet> G200X is the "You cant break me" version?
[20:01:30] <robin_sz> ooh, not yet
[20:01:40] <robin_sz> picnet: it will be eventually
[20:01:43] <Phydbleep> Note to self, "Do NOT wear sandals while disposing of old formica".
[20:01:55] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, heh. how's the foot?
[20:01:55] <picnet> óuch.
[20:02:06] <A-L-P-H-A> infected?
[20:02:09] <A-L-P-H-A> amputation?
[20:02:12] <A-L-P-H-A> gangreen?
[20:02:15] <Phydbleep> Slice I could insert a quarter in. :\
[20:02:21] <picnet> that goes along the same lines as "dont ware shorts when making lots of red hot swarf?"
[20:02:24] <robin_sz> It wouldnt run at first .. found a solder bridge under the FPGA
[20:02:25] <A-L-P-H-A> puss, and fungus fun!
[20:02:36] <robin_sz> man .. those pins are tiny!
[20:02:43] <robin_sz> 0.5mm pitch
[20:02:52] <Phydbleep> picnet: More like "Don't weld at a nudist camp". :)
[20:03:01] <robin_sz> dotn eat yellow snow
[20:03:16] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz, does england even get snow?
[20:03:18] <picnet> 280 pgba?
[20:03:18] <Jymmm> dont eat brown snow either!
[20:03:19] <robin_sz> yes
[20:03:26] <robin_sz> sometimes we get a *bit*
[20:03:26] <picnet> pbga even.
[20:03:30] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: Of course not.. That's for 'lemon" snowcones. :)
[20:03:31] <A-L-P-H-A> does it stay? can you ski on it?
[20:03:47] <A-L-P-H-A> hehe... Monsters Inc.
[20:03:49] <A-L-P-H-A> hehehehe.
[20:04:02] <robin_sz> picnet: nah, 100 pin
[20:04:23] <A-L-P-H-A> reflow wouldn't work?
[20:04:35] <robin_sz> yeah it would ..
[20:04:43] <robin_sz> but the fpgas turned up late
[20:04:47] <robin_sz> so mariss hand did em
[20:04:54] <Jymmm> ewwwwww
[20:04:58] <robin_sz> relfow would be easy
[20:05:12] <A-L-P-H-A> mariss did a hand job on the fpgas?
[20:05:13] <A-L-P-H-A> damn.
[20:05:21] <A-L-P-H-A> those fpgas must be happy
[20:05:42] <Jymmm> and robin_sz got sloppy seconds
[20:06:10] <A-L-P-H-A> you know... I'd rather not have any, than get sloppy seconds... that's just gross to me.
[20:06:24] <picnet> * picnet wonders if hes in the right channel.
[20:06:41] <Jymmm> picnet why's that?
[20:07:03] <A-L-P-H-A> Enhanced Male Cranium.
[20:07:22] <Jymmm> We're talking about motor drives, get your mind out of the sewer picnet!
[20:07:50] <Phydbleep> picnet: Really.. You're obstructing traffic. :)
[20:08:07] <picnet> soup kitchen must of closed early today.
[20:08:43] <A-L-P-H-A> finally drew out the spindle.
[20:08:48] <A-L-P-H-A> now... to machine it. ?
[20:09:09] <A-L-P-H-A> yarghagdfajhaergh.
[20:09:16] <A-L-P-H-A> hope I don't mess this one up again.
[20:09:35] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Test it on scrap?
[20:09:58] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, material isn't the issue... it's me... material is just hot rolled mild steel.
[20:09:59] <A-L-P-H-A> cheap.
[20:10:09] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep keeps some oak 4x4 around for test pieces.
[20:11:30] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A just dont move it =)
[20:11:32] <A-L-P-H-A> I can't stop figiting.
[20:12:08] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: "fidgeting'
[20:12:32] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, yeah... I don't reposition the part, I don't think it'll mess up.
[20:13:03] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A : Just take your time setting it up and it'll be fine =)
[20:13:32] <Jymmm> I'm gonna watch a dvd... just can't think clearly with this cold.
[20:13:36] <Jymmm> bbl
[20:14:57] <Phydbleep> I think I'm going to try cut vinyl for pc board etching. Like what they use for signs.. There's a place that will take .grb files and give me a piece of adhesive vinyl with my pattern cut in it for < $10.
[20:17:13] <A-L-P-H-A> so, what are you gonna do with the vinyl?
[20:18:01] <Phydbleep> Stick it on the bare copper, weed out the bits I don't want and etch whats left.
[20:18:16] <A-L-P-H-A> that'd be only use once.
[20:18:32] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, got a laser printer?? I posted that to you before.
[20:19:00] <Phydbleep> So.. It's 72" wide.. I'll get a bunch in a linear foot of vinyl.
[20:19:27] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: I tried that and the printer I have is crap..
[20:19:41] <A-L-P-H-A> how to get a girl mad: 4:16:56 PM Lloyd: what do you want me to do? paste the logs? | 4:17:08 PM Leha: yea | 4:17:10 PM Lloyd: no | 4:17:16 PM Lloyd: whatever... don't believe me. | 4:17:27 PM Leha: i wont | 4:17:29 PM Lloyd: k | 4:17:32 PM Lloyd: problem solved. | 4:17:47 PM: Leha signed off (was Online)
[20:20:23] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, what was the issue? the paper? or what?
[20:21:03] <Phydbleep> Paper, Lack of heat in the fuser, lack of toner in the printer, scratched drum.. Freebie printer. :)
[20:22:13] <Phydbleep> # 6"x6" each I'll get 24 out of a linear foot.
[20:22:19] <Phydbleep> @
[20:22:52] <Phydbleep> And I can change the pattern halfway across the span :)
[20:24:20] <Phydbleep> I can also change the pattern from a pcboard to a panel face in the same piece.
[20:28:25] <A-L-P-H-A> awesome printer = $120USD or so... I have a Samsung 1750... works MINT.
[20:28:34] <A-L-P-H-A> and then you have an awesome printer to boot.
[20:32:39] <Phydbleep> Screen print place down the road will get it right and hand me a roll of vinyl for $2.50/lin ft in a 24" width.
[20:33:05] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, why not just mechanically etch your stuff instead then?
[20:33:40] <Phydbleep> I would if I had an old E size plotter to annoy into being a pcboard mill..
[20:33:45] <A-L-P-H-A> with the added benefit of it drilling everything for you as well.
[20:35:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I wonder will i win the $17.5million CDN lotto tonight. :D
[20:35:37] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: If you do, you should send me a mini-mill. :)
[20:35:43] <A-L-P-H-A> 6.7million pounds. 11million euros.
[20:37:16] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Or a cute redhead who can type. :)
[20:40:42] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Better make that the mini-mill.. If I get a cute redhead the wife will demand that i share. :)
[20:41:26] <Phydbleep> Or that I at least let here watch and critique technique..
[20:41:35] <Phydbleep> s/here/her
[20:43:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I got a GF to want a 3some, with her co-worker. I was game... but she chickened out... surprised?
[20:44:36] <anonimasu> a
[20:44:38] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: lol
[20:49:09] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: I've had her.
[20:51:26] <robin_sz> twice.
[20:57:26] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: The same girl twice does not count as a threesome.. Nor does it count if she has multiple personalities.. :)
[20:58:33] <Phydbleep> In fact.. Unless you want more than one woman cussing at you from the same body, Stay away from the MPD cases.
[21:01:53] <anonimasu> heh..
[21:20:12] <robin_sz> she said she didn't have a multiple personlity disorder
[21:20:22] <robin_sz> neither of them
[21:20:31] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: 14 times/ in different voices?
[21:20:41] <Phydbleep> Hehehe... :)
[21:20:59] <robin_sz> then her head span around and around ...
[21:21:12] <robin_sz> sigh ...
[21:21:59] <robin_sz> I need on of those wotsits .. fax/scanner/copier tings
[21:22:28] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has an OfficeJet for that.
[21:22:36] <robin_sz> yeah consdiered that
[21:22:38] <robin_sz> want laser
[21:23:11] <Phydbleep> HP III-P + a flatbed scanner for laser. :)
[21:23:59] <robin_sz> trouple with inkjet is ...
[21:24:08] <robin_sz> it costs a fscking fortune to keep them in ink
[21:24:12] <Phydbleep> I like the OfficeJet better for things that will get hauled out to the shop.. The lettering doesn't fall off hte paper in a year.
[21:24:54] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: I've got one of the OLD 300/500 models.. Costs about 12 to refill 3 times. :)
[21:25:00] <Phydbleep> $12
[21:25:11] <robin_sz> the new ones have chips :(
[21:25:26] <Phydbleep> That's why I dont have a new one. :)
[21:25:55] <robin_sz> oh, and it must have a network interface
[21:26:09] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep also doen't want the new "digital watermarking" that lets them ID what model/serial # of printer printed it.
[21:27:32] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: A net interface is easy.. P-90 and linux. You can even rig the pc to power up/down the printer that way. :)
[21:27:51] <robin_sz> sigh .. no
[21:28:04] <robin_sz> it needs to fax too
[21:28:24] <robin_sz> by the time you have a printer, linux, scanner and a fax-modem ...
[21:28:34] <robin_sz> fsck, thats a mess isnt it?
[21:29:16] <Phydbleep> Not for me.. When I tie the X10 controller, the thermostat and the cat feeder to it. Then it's a mess. :)
[21:29:20] <Deech> HP laser printers are fscking work horses.
[21:29:27] <robin_sz> mine too
[21:29:30] <Deech> I'd say buy a used one.
[21:29:41] <robin_sz> HP ljet 4m+ is my choice usually
[21:29:50] <Phydbleep> Get an older HP laser/combo.
[21:30:02] <robin_sz> but this is for the girl at the office .. needs an all-in-one idiot proof solution
[21:30:02] <Deech> I like the 5's myself
[21:30:16] <Deech> easier to work on then the 4s
[21:30:17] <robin_sz> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16188&item=6762424398&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
[21:30:20] <robin_sz> ??
[21:30:25] <Phydbleep> Deech: Want a 5L? just pay shipping. :)
[21:30:29] <robin_sz> yeah?
[21:30:35] <Deech> You couldn't pay me to take a 5l
[21:30:43] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep tried..
[21:30:48] <robin_sz> which 5s are *nice*
[21:30:50] <Deech> Stupid paperpath design on that one.
[21:30:55] <Deech> The 5mp
[21:30:59] <robin_sz> like a 4m+
[21:31:00] <Deech> workgroup printer
[21:31:01] <robin_sz> right
[21:31:05] <Deech> Yep.
[21:31:09] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: 5l's are the down and up paperpath.
[21:31:16] <robin_sz> ick
[21:31:22] <robin_sz> Id rtaher eat ratshit
[21:31:37] <Phydbleep> Yeah.. I cant even give the damn thing away. :\
[21:31:40] <Deech> that's why the L.. it refers to the shape of the paper path
[21:32:41] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has too many HP inkjets..
[21:32:42] <Deech> the 5mp is easy to maintain. 4 screws to replace the fuser and all the consumable rubber snaps in and out nicely.
[21:33:11] <Phydbleep> Deech: Yeah, That's why I like my old III-P.
[21:33:16] <Deech> on the other hand, the 4 series you have to take the damn thing nearly down to the frame to replace a bad fuser, and almost as much for the rubbers
[21:33:16] <robin_sz> I have a 4m+ with two trays .. just keeps going and going
[21:33:31] <robin_sz> what about the 3150 there?
[21:33:38] <robin_sz> any opinions?
[21:33:50] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has not worked on a 3150
[21:33:59] <Phydbleep> Or used one even.
[21:35:58] <robin_sz> linuxprinting.org
[21:35:59] <robin_sz> This printer is probably the most stable Multi Fuction device
[21:35:59] <robin_sz> developed by HP.
[21:36:14] <Deech> 3150 huh?
[21:36:16] <Deech> OHH
[21:36:23] <Deech> Yea, we've got a couple of those running around
[21:36:28] <robin_sz> looks OK?
[21:36:29] <Deech> they are ok, I guess.
[21:36:44] <robin_sz> driver is doze only
[21:36:48] <robin_sz> bu thats OK
[21:36:55] <Deech> same goofy paper path as the L, except it keeps curving and goes all the way back up in a U shape
[21:37:24] <Phydbleep> Deech: The 5l I have is the u paperpath.. Ick..
[21:37:25] <Deech> I haven't had any problems with ours except for a goofy driver issue that won't seem to go away
[21:37:30] <robin_sz> id rather have a goofy laser than a stinkjet
[21:38:07] <Deech> inkjets have their place
[21:38:19] <Deech> I'm rather happy with my Epson 7600.
[21:38:19] <Deech> :)
[21:39:02] <Deech> but that's sort of a bad boy printer. 6 color dye, 24" wide.
[21:39:05] <Phydbleep> Yeah, The "DuraBright" ink is nice for labels and things that you want permanent.
[21:39:45] <Deech> I thought it'd be cool to use the UltraChrome pigment ink for some stuff, but I didn't find out until I bought it that
[21:39:48] <Deech> it's only one or the other.
[21:40:05] <Deech> Whichever you put in first, dye or pigment, that's what you have to use for the rest of the printers life.
[21:40:18] <Deech> unless you completely replace the entire ink sub system
[21:40:44] <robin_sz> ahh
[21:40:53] <robin_sz> or maybe a Dell 1600N
[21:40:54] <Phydbleep> Cheaper to buy another printer...
[21:41:02] <Deech> Yep.
[21:41:08] <Deech> Cheap at only $3000
[21:41:09] <Deech> :)
[21:41:29] <robin_sz> nah
[21:41:35] <Phydbleep> What's the $ of the ink sub-sys and installation?
[21:41:35] <robin_sz> $450
[21:42:20] <Phydbleep> $450 for the printer or the rebuild?
[21:42:40] <robin_sz> whole thing
[21:42:52] <robin_sz> 236 GBP
[21:43:09] <Deech> I don't know, but it's not worth the effort
[21:43:43] <Deech> we normally need to use the dye for daily printing, so it's not worth it to switch over.
[21:47:02] <robin_sz> or a fax and a old laserjet printer ...
[21:47:48] <robin_sz> ah decision
[21:47:53] <robin_sz> like we ever need to scan
[21:48:00] <robin_sz> hmm copier
[21:48:02] <robin_sz> argh
[21:54:21] <robin_sz> decisions decisions
[21:54:51] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: PUNT! :)
[23:00:45] <robin_z> where did I go?
[23:00:55] <anonimasu> away
[23:00:56] <anonimasu> ;)
[23:01:02] <robin_z> you wish