uh yeah, so anyway, did anyone have a clue what the hell he was talking about with this... torpedo magnet idea?
Ircaddict 7500' deep mine shaft + faraday's law == a whole lot of electricity
* Phydbleep has to give in to curiosity and ask..
Is picnet a program or a person?
Phydbleepy, (s)he's a person.
only bots I know of... CIA-X, and logger_aj.
Phydbleep : A-L-P-H-A is a bot
and on that note... G'Night Folks!
Ow! OW! OW!..
* Phydbleep just sliced his big toe on a piece of broken formica.
I dont know which one hurts worse, the cut or the antiseptic.. OW!
The antiseptic.. definately the antiseptic...
* anonimasu is looking at casting alu
* Imperator_ wants to make another test of casting polymer concrete to show on fest
how did the last test go
casting is not that problem, but i have to test the material
therefore i need other testing sticks
who fit on the testing machine
I've got a roller throttle body design I am going to make.. but the size I'll need of alu is hard to get unless I but 6 meter
how goes it?
fighting with spamassassin
sounds more like "barely" =)
thus why I love having my own mail server =)
this is my mail server :((
Restarting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: fatal: cannot run as nonexistent user or root with -u option
I just want it to be able to access /etc/spamassassin/bayes_*
There's such an better way to deal with spam, but most folks dont understand the RFC's well enough.
and the funny thing is you dont have to receive the spam to block it either.
is there a command like emc_tool_offset, but which give the tool's diameter?
acemi: what kind of command?
I mean: where do you want to use it?
program? or interface?
in tkemc, i want to show current tool's diameter
so from emcsh ?
acemi: no there isn't
but you should have access to the tool table file
which has those values
ok, thanks alex_joni
Ya know... When you're going thru a tutorial, you expect the tutorial to be correct! (bastards)
Jymmm: whatcha talking about?
acemi: don't mention it
don't think it would be difficult to add it though
not very usefull... but it's doable
i will try
* alex_joni goes home
has anyone successfully used emc to control vector drives?
have a quick question on setting in ini file if someone can help me?
how to set feed override? it is default to 100 like to set it to 30 if possible
joe2000chevy, do you use tkemc as user interface?
i like the way it looks, i did not try the tkemc, looks more like a dos prog.
also there is a Axis?
you can add "emc_feed_override 30" in /usr/local/emc/plat/linux_rtai/bin/mini
after the line: set tkemc 1
well i use the generic.ini
i have not gone to the plat directory
I use BDI 4.20 and I have /usr/local/emc/plat/ directory
yea its prob. there but i only have edited the generic.ini file under the emc directory
i thought thats where i would do it at?
you can edit other file as root
which other file?
I don't know well but I think that you can't do that in .ini file. you must change mini file
mini is in /usr/local/emc/plat/linux_rtai/bin directory
i tried this and it's OK
so the mini.ini in that directory?
only mini, no mini.ini
i'm at work so i can not look at it now :(
ok only mini and can be edited with the text editor
there is a line as "set tkemc 1"
ok kewl, i will try it later this afternoon, now to print out this messages :)
below this you must add: emc_feed_override 30
i really apriciate it,
its a bummer then you have your material set and then startoff at the wrong feed rate when you forget to change it manually
joe2000chevy "Then don't do that" =)
* anonimasu yawns
* Jymmm grabs anonimasu by the throat and pours down a pot of coffee! Cream & Sugar?
Jymmm, you need to get out more.
* anonimasu throws up at Jymmm
nothing like some gall early in the evening
to get ready for the party later tonight
A-L-P-H-A "May the fleas of 1000 camels infest your motor drivers!"
New meaning to "Snap, Crackle, and Pop!"
hm, brb engraving somthing
what ya engraving?
[17:08:06] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/iotest/
I need some help with some limit switches please
tonyp? the problem being?
without an expressed question, you won't get an answer.
just wondering if anyone was listening
of course not.
when connecting the 5v to the rs232.
does it matter what pin I use or do I have to connect to all 12,13 and 15
limits are prox wired in parallel
Um.... RS232 is serial, and typically has 9 pins.
through a relay that will send the 5v to the par port
woops, the par port
uh... rs232 is different than ttl.
rs232 runs are 10V. and ttl runs at 5v.
don't mix and match that.
it is not an rs232
it is the par port
well you typed that. :)
yes I know.
so, connect the limit switches in series, and then to the parallel port. SEt it in software weither it'd be high or low.
A-L-P-H-A in series?
you'll need only 1 pin.
Jymmm, yeah, limit switches in series. home switches individually.
home is using the limit switches
A-L-P-H-A Eh, I guess it's just preference. I prefer parallel =) Less troubleshooting
pin X (just one pin) -> Switch -> switch -> switch -> X Switches -> gnd.
Jymmm? what are you smoking?
A-L-P-H-A I'm series
A-L-P-H-A think xmas lights
well, you could do parallel, I guess... but series would work perfectly fine. Less wires.
less dangling cables.
A-L-P-H-A wires are no biggy to me, used to 100 wire bundles
all the output and input from the limit/home are wired together and run to the 24 v transformer then out to one relay
tonyp, so you'll need END limit switches. So if you have 3 axies... 1 pin for hte limit switches, and 3 pins for the home switches.
the relay will send 5v to the computer
my gah... heard of a 7805 voltage regulator?
this is what I have to work with
7805 voltage regulator. $1 at radio shack.
tonyp you dont have a 5v source at all?
Jymmm, of course he does! he has a computer!
yes, it is on the other side of the relay
A-L-P-H-A heh, I meant on the interface board =)
computer power supply: 12V, 5V, 3.3V and if you're savvy 7V.
why are we using a relay?
we being you.
to send the 5v to the computer. the prox switches use 24 volt then send an output signal to pull the relay. the relay will then send 5 volt out to the computer via a computer power supply
tonyp what prox switches are you using?
pnp from automation direct
8mm sensing distance
I just need to know where to put the 5v on the par port. when I hit home the limits will serve for homing only one axis at a time
then be used as end limit
tonyp you have a url for these by chance?
ah, found em
[17:27:34] <tonyp> http://web6.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Sensors_-z-_Encoders/Inductive_Proximity_Sensors/Rectangular_(CR-z-DR-z-APS_Series)/5X5mm_(CR5_Series)
had to post it anyway just 'cause I looked it up
anyways, paul_c sent a diagram for wiring and said to hook to 12,13 or 15 and ground to 18 thru 25
I just wanted to make sure I dont have to jump all three together to make it work
hmm... repeatable accuracy < 1.5% which means at 0.8mm, it'd be 0.012 mm
+/- 0.012 mm, repetable.
That is all I need. only doing art work
that's not bad I'm saying.
and what's the cost again? $28USD?
[17:35:22] <A-L-P-H-A> http://web6.automationdirect.com/static/specs/proxrectcr5.pdf
I like to know hwo makes it.
can you answer the question about which pin
yes do I put it to 12,13 or 15 or do I put it to 12 13 and 15
that's one and the same.
tonyp, are you asking for a wiring diagram?
I have it all hooked up but I didn't know if all three would need the 5v to operate all axises
12 13 and 15 that is
lets start from the basics, as I don't know what level of electronics knowledge you have.
If I understand correctly hooking to one of the three will operate all of the axis limits and homes?
Do I understand correctly
Parallel port pins can be input/output [I'd have to look up which pins are what]
but what you want it input.
I dont know how the software reads each axis
so what you want to do, it this... give power to the sensor, and get the pulse/trigger signal back to those input pins.
yes, but do I need it to go to all three or just one of the three
what I'd do, is give give power (+5VDC to pin one on the sensor). And trigger the sensor on/off, and see what's happening wtih the other pins. [which are grounded]
tonyp, depends on how you have them wired up. If you're using them as home sensors. ALL three sensors, get a pin each.
if you're using it as a limit switch, wire the sensors in series, and go to one pin.
can I just jump 12, 13 and 15 together
I can only home one axis at a time anyway
cause once you've homed one, all the other sensors won't work.
cause the one sensor will be triggered, and staying on. So the software will think it's home, and never off home.
I will set a field in the .ini to back off the switch by a specified distance
In the ini there is a place to do this, I have worked with a machine that is set up this way and it works good. Smithy CNC mill
I just dont know how the pins were wired
tonyp, how many pins do you want keep free doing nothing? and how many pins are you using to do work?
I am only using the step and dir pins right now. then adding the home/limit today
I wont be doing much else with them anytime soon.
you have 17 IO pins. 3 axis machine means 6 pins for step/direction. home switches 3 more pins (9 pins), 1pin limit switches (10 pins), still leaves you with 7 free pins.
I've used another 3... tach, and two power relays... I still have 4 pins free.
If I realy cared, I'd program a microcontroller to handle some of the relay and limit switching stuff.
I will be doing that in the future but will need to build a new box to put the stuff in.
the one I have now is crowded
tonyp, heard of the g2002?
or was it now renamed to g200x?
it'll give you a ton of IO pins, runs on USB.
I am using the geckos. two 210's and one 201
the G200x is a breakout board for the step/dir drives.
not what I was thinking about :/
where can I get one
with many IO pins.
tonyp, it'll be out soon... a few people in here are testing them.
les, and robin_sz I believe both have one.
I/O, Input / Ouput pins.
tonyp, so why arne' tyou hapen with having 7 free pins? What else are those pins going to be doing?
need to control dust collection, blower motor, router and speed control, lights, power supply etc
that's 6 pins.
still one free.
right now I have the stuff hardwired to switches. 7 of them and still need three more for sure sometime in the future
then I'd worry about that in the future. Like getting a secondary parallel port, or use RS232/serial ports. You've got PLENTY of I/O pins on your computer.
but hey, if you want to get hung up about that... sure. whatever.
that is for later. today I need limit and home
So, just use the 4 pins right now. 3 for the homes, and 1 for the limit switches.
* Jymmm tosses tonyp a contactor too!
that I will do
thanks for all your help
back to work, signing off
gah. he reminds me ofyou Jymmm.
over thinking shit... and not getting anything done.
overthinking is a good thing... prevents daily nuclear detonations
all worried about shit that isn't happening yet. and even if it does happen... OH NO! I'll have to spend $30 to buy a PCI parallel port.
these a BIG difference in a $30 card -VS- considering $400 for HF mill or $200 for a shrelone cnc
you can retrofit a sherline for cheap.
common mounts and couplers?
well, I've got a CNC lathe alread. and a CNC mill... me doing a retro is easy and cheap.
* anonimasu nods
if I were to re-do my retrofit I'd build a lathe
build/buy parts and have some machine shop make me mounts
even though that'd be relatively expensive the precision of thoose parts would be good/great
But I was specifically tlaking sherline =)
anonimasu retro a sherline mill to cnc
A-L-P-H-A said it was "cheap" to do, but never said how cheap
and I know he's an ebay whore =)
I'm really interested in a Sherline, but I have reservations... primarily on tooling.
what on tooling?
I dont think that it'd be as large issue as you think :)
Jymmm? what? mounts + couplers + stepper motor + driver.
steppers = ebay. geckos for drivers, or make your own full/half drivers.
steppers, if you really wanted you can buy them direct... ~60-100 each for sherline sized.
what is sherline sized? nema23?
17 would probably work... but 23 is probably what I'd go for.
I'd have to ask paul_c what oz/in n/m motors to use.
what about tooling? is it "common" for use in a sherline?
are we talking lathe or mill?
bit, mills, collets, etc
sherline has all that shit.
you can buy a kit.
so it's not "off the shelf" cutters and such?
aka... drive to western tool and buy a end mill sirta thing
it is off the shelf.
like 1/4, 1/8, 3/8" shaft endmills.
hm, you just need collets for other stuff..
and when you buy a mill you usually buy a collet kit..
or get it with it..
I'd get the ER-16 collet spindle myself.
unless you plan on running with a drill head..
~$150 add on.
cause ER-16 is good.
what is er16?
a collet size
so, what collect comes stock with a sherline?
hm, what's the diff between er32 and er16?
anonimasu, yeah, sire
This may sound silly, but I wish the sherline just had a "drill press" handle on the side.
there's like er-8 as well, which is TINY.
Jymmm, cause you are silly.
A-L-P-H-A I'm serious
* anonimasu sighs
I dont get why you need handles on a cnc machine.
then buy yourself a shitty delta drill press from home depot.
anonimasu, [tweaking] the position of a gantry.
sometimes quicker to just do it manually.
A-L-P-H-A I have a 12" drill press, but not for small stuff
A-L-P-H-A: yeah but you can have removable ones..
A-L-P-H-A: wouldnt you home both sides on a gantry machine?
anonimasu, not if you're part is isn't starting there.
the only real reason would be to back off limit switches as I see it..
anonimasu what if you just needed to take off 20 thous or cut a quick slot.
although a jog wheel is a good thing ;)
I asked a question earlier and then went away. Now it's scrolled off the end of my buffer.
That's what I get for doing "work".
Jymmm: well, I'd think of a gantry machine as a larger machine then 5x5dm..
Well, I'll ask again, forgive me if someone answered me and I didn't see it.
I didnt see the question but if somone did you can look it up there
anonimasu, what are you book marking?
A-L-P-H-A: the logs?
Deech? what'd you ask?
wooo.. logs. :)
has anyone successfully used emc to control vector drives?
ah. looks like nobody answered it.
I've got an industrial robotic application that I'd like to use emc for, but we're leaning twards using vector drives instead of servos.
vector drivers? why not? if they're step and direction it shouldn't be an issue at all.
oh, vector isn't a company
hum.. not step, 0-10v analog control.
motors, not drivers, if my terminology is wrong.
don't know then dude.
Deech: if you control your drives with 0-10V then it can be done
not entirely disimilar to servos, just no rotory encoders and stops in a revolution, so low accuracy.
les runs a stg on he's router, and some people are running vital cards
ah, no idea about that
well, the trick with vectors, I'm told, is to use a brake when you want it to stop.
ah 3phase motors..
so, to stop the vector, you ramp down to 0v and apply a brake
hm.. that havent been done that I know of
weee! I love uncharted territory.
and I am unsure if you can use a vital or stg to do it
Deech Curious, whats teh benefit of vector over servo/stepper motors?
you could probably use the outputs..
steppers don't have the strength we need
hm, a vital card runs at about 500$
(moveing about 3/4 of a ton around)
I'm craving a grilled chicken greek salad.
and a stg over 800$
A-L-P-H-A: I hate you :D
* anonimasu craves togther with A-L-P-H-A
and servos will do it, but we only need accuracy within about 4 inches.
is this a repetive motion?
anonimasu... but doesn't that sound good?
that's not really a big deal considering the original design with servos and ball screws will run about 25,000 before control system
~$5CDN I'll get one.
A-L-P-H-A: you will eat poutine and nothign but poutine!
Jymmm, poutine's canuck. :D
the analog outs of the vital card is a standard +-10v
A-L-P-H-A you are canuck! =)
Jymmm... Canadian dominance beseetches you.
so far I'm pretty sure it will work..
I'm also a Brit. And Chinese.
Deech, if not, you'd be able to create a microcontroller to do what you require.
weee! More stuff I don't know how to do!
maybe... go with steppers and servos.
what's more improtant to you? cost or ease of implementation?
Deech: a tip, use self locking scews or a brake that locks up your design if you loose power.
Oh, the safety design team is all over that.
my problem is making it move in the first place... it's there problem making it stop.
Deech and cheaper than that.... 6' chain link fence pole; just toss it!
well, you could buy vector drives with drives that support serial commands..
I think LUST GMBH makse them
Deech how many motors are you needing?
I'm currently looking at lenze products at the moment
4 total axis I need to worry about.
7 minutes... :D
Greek chicken salad.
A-L-P-H-A: I like the regular ones better with feta cheese ;)
it does have feta in it.
jsut with grilled chicken on top.
well, I need to make a judgement call, if the cost savings on vectors are worth the extra development time.
Deech, what are you making anyways?
Of course, I'm not terribly experianced with either, so the development time is going to be longish anyway.
robotic inventory storage system
couldn't just do a rack and pinion + barcode reader?
barcodes are unreliable in a factory environment.
what do you mean by rack and pinion?
someone explain it to him, while I go and pick up my snack.
The boxes that are being stored are below 12 x 24 and are from 50-300lbs each
I'll be back in a bit going to move
it's a glorified pick lift.
hm, how large are the shelve?
I know what "rack and pinion" is, I want to know how you're applying that to this application
the shelves will be about 24in deep, segmented into 12x112 boxes.
hm, will the loading cycle be fully automated without user input?
the user will initiate the cycle, but other then that it's automated.
I'll read up on what you guys write and think a bit about it :)
that was fun!
I almost ran over two kids.
in purpose or accident?
if I did actually hit the kid, I'd say to the cop it was an accident.
did they run out into the street?
would have been my fault anyways.
I was making a right on a red, and the kids started to walk out before green... and I looked they were already 1/2 metre into the street.
start to finish.
26 minutes. order, pickup, eat.
A-L-P-H-A: 30 minutes.. Order, Pickup, Eat, Get Heartburn. :)
it's a salad.
how do you heartburn from a salad?
Too many ridishes?
Plus with the <30 minute time frame I figured it was pizza. :)
radishes aren't in a greek salad.
it's lettice, tomatoes, red onions, olives, and feta cheese.
* Phydbleep knows some perverse Greeks..
And that's not 'know' as in the biblical sense. :)
I once had these two greek sisters living together next door. The older one was hot, while the younger one was pretty blah.
some are blessed, while others are not.
I was over at a place where I used to work ~ 14 years ago yesterday afternoon..
Had the ex-bosses 17 yo daughter making eyes at me..
I threw a wet blanket at that when I asked her "Weren't you about this tall the last time I saw you?" Holding hand out at 1 meter level.
only an ex-boss? Go ahead. 17 is probably legal.
And "Wow.. That phone has been in that display case since before you were born." :)
I think 16 is legal in this state, But I prefer experience to enthusiasm. :)
No paulc? wow.
* Phydbleep has a question for picnet...
* picnet wonders who phydbleep is.
hey, 17 can be pretty experienced.
What does picnet mean? Is it like a PIC on a network or is it more like "If you don't stop that it will never heal"?
evening girls ...
welcome lolita robin_sz.
* Phydbleep hands robin a clean mask.
* robin_sz wiggles his hips
pic = pic microcontroller range, net = a network of them. It relates to my 1994 university project where I made an Neural network simulator using pic micros, hence picnet.
I failed my neural networking class.
picnet: Cool! heuristic network?
* robin_sz has been playing with his G200X
bog standard backprop, nothing fancy then :)
back propagation... heh.
if you got the right answer, stick.
otherwise, modify yourself.
so ... this new FPGA driven G200X rocks :)
haven't seen AJ all day.
wonder where he is.
robin_sz. and...? when are they goign to be released?
* Jymmm slips a peso in robin_sz's g-string
G200X is the "You cant break me" version?
ooh, not yet
picnet: it will be eventually
Note to self, "Do NOT wear sandals while disposing of old formica".
Phydbleep, heh. how's the foot?
Slice I could insert a quarter in. :\
that goes along the same lines as "dont ware shorts when making lots of red hot swarf?"
It wouldnt run at first .. found a solder bridge under the FPGA
puss, and fungus fun!
man .. those pins are tiny!
picnet: More like "Don't weld at a nudist camp". :)
dotn eat yellow snow
robin_sz, does england even get snow?
dont eat brown snow either!
sometimes we get a *bit*
robin_sz: Of course not.. That's for 'lemon" snowcones. :)
does it stay? can you ski on it?
hehe... Monsters Inc.
picnet: nah, 100 pin
reflow wouldn't work?
yeah it would ..
but the fpgas turned up late
so mariss hand did em
relfow would be easy
mariss did a hand job on the fpgas?
those fpgas must be happy
and robin_sz got sloppy seconds
you know... I'd rather not have any, than get sloppy seconds... that's just gross to me.
* picnet wonders if hes in the right channel.
picnet why's that?
Enhanced Male Cranium.
We're talking about motor drives, get your mind out of the sewer picnet!
picnet: Really.. You're obstructing traffic. :)
soup kitchen must of closed early today.
finally drew out the spindle.
now... to machine it. ?
hope I don't mess this one up again.
A-L-P-H-A: Test it on scrap?
Phydbleep, material isn't the issue... it's me... material is just hot rolled mild steel.
* Phydbleep keeps some oak 4x4 around for test pieces.
A-L-P-H-A just dont move it =)
I can't stop figiting.
Jymmm, yeah... I don't reposition the part, I don't think it'll mess up.
A-L-P-H-A : Just take your time setting it up and it'll be fine =)
I'm gonna watch a dvd... just can't think clearly with this cold.
I think I'm going to try cut vinyl for pc board etching. Like what they use for signs.. There's a place that will take .grb files and give me a piece of adhesive vinyl with my pattern cut in it for < $10.
so, what are you gonna do with the vinyl?
Stick it on the bare copper, weed out the bits I don't want and etch whats left.
that'd be only use once.
Phydbleep, got a laser printer?? I posted that to you before.
So.. It's 72" wide.. I'll get a bunch in a linear foot of vinyl.
A-L-P-H-A: I tried that and the printer I have is crap..
how to get a girl mad: 4:16:56 PM Lloyd: what do you want me to do? paste the logs? | 4:17:08 PM Leha: yea | 4:17:10 PM Lloyd: no | 4:17:16 PM Lloyd: whatever... don't believe me. | 4:17:27 PM Leha: i wont | 4:17:29 PM Lloyd: k | 4:17:32 PM Lloyd: problem solved. | 4:17:47 PM: Leha signed off (was Online)
Phydbleep, what was the issue? the paper? or what?
Paper, Lack of heat in the fuser, lack of toner in the printer, scratched drum.. Freebie printer. :)
# 6"x6" each I'll get 24 out of a linear foot.
And I can change the pattern halfway across the span :)
I can also change the pattern from a pcboard to a panel face in the same piece.
awesome printer = $120USD or so... I have a Samsung 1750... works MINT.
and then you have an awesome printer to boot.
Screen print place down the road will get it right and hand me a roll of vinyl for $2.50/lin ft in a 24" width.
Phydbleep, why not just mechanically etch your stuff instead then?
I would if I had an old E size plotter to annoy into being a pcboard mill..
with the added benefit of it drilling everything for you as well.
I wonder will i win the $17.5million CDN lotto tonight. :D
A-L-P-H-A: If you do, you should send me a mini-mill. :)
6.7million pounds. 11million euros.
A-L-P-H-A: Or a cute redhead who can type. :)
A-L-P-H-A: Better make that the mini-mill.. If I get a cute redhead the wife will demand that i share. :)
Or that I at least let here watch and critique technique..
I got a GF to want a 3some, with her co-worker. I was game... but she chickened out... surprised?
A-L-P-H-A: I've had her.
robin_sz: The same girl twice does not count as a threesome.. Nor does it count if she has multiple personalities.. :)
In fact.. Unless you want more than one woman cussing at you from the same body, Stay away from the MPD cases.
she said she didn't have a multiple personlity disorder
neither of them
robin_sz: 14 times/ in different voices?
then her head span around and around ...
I need on of those wotsits .. fax/scanner/copier tings
* Phydbleep has an OfficeJet for that.
yeah consdiered that
HP III-P + a flatbed scanner for laser. :)
trouple with inkjet is ...
it costs a fscking fortune to keep them in ink
I like the OfficeJet better for things that will get hauled out to the shop.. The lettering doesn't fall off hte paper in a year.
robin_sz: I've got one of the OLD 300/500 models.. Costs about 12 to refill 3 times. :)
the new ones have chips :(
That's why I dont have a new one. :)
oh, and it must have a network interface
* Phydbleep also doen't want the new "digital watermarking" that lets them ID what model/serial # of printer printed it.
robin_sz: A net interface is easy.. P-90 and linux. You can even rig the pc to power up/down the printer that way. :)
sigh .. no
it needs to fax too
by the time you have a printer, linux, scanner and a fax-modem ...
fsck, thats a mess isnt it?
Not for me.. When I tie the X10 controller, the thermostat and the cat feeder to it. Then it's a mess. :)
HP laser printers are fscking work horses.
I'd say buy a used one.
HP ljet 4m+ is my choice usually
Get an older HP laser/combo.
but this is for the girl at the office .. needs an all-in-one idiot proof solution
I like the 5's myself
easier to work on then the 4s
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Deech: Want a 5L? just pay shipping. :)
You couldn't pay me to take a 5l
* Phydbleep tried..
which 5s are *nice*
Stupid paperpath design on that one.
like a 4m+
robin_sz: 5l's are the down and up paperpath.
Id rtaher eat ratshit
Yeah.. I cant even give the damn thing away. :\
that's why the L.. it refers to the shape of the paper path
* Phydbleep has too many HP inkjets..
the 5mp is easy to maintain. 4 screws to replace the fuser and all the consumable rubber snaps in and out nicely.
Deech: Yeah, That's why I like my old III-P.
on the other hand, the 4 series you have to take the damn thing nearly down to the frame to replace a bad fuser, and almost as much for the rubbers
I have a 4m+ with two trays .. just keeps going and going
what about the 3150 there?
* Phydbleep has not worked on a 3150
Or used one even.
This printer is probably the most stable Multi Fuction device
developed by HP.
Yea, we've got a couple of those running around
they are ok, I guess.
driver is doze only
bu thats OK
same goofy paper path as the L, except it keeps curving and goes all the way back up in a U shape
Deech: The 5l I have is the u paperpath.. Ick..
I haven't had any problems with ours except for a goofy driver issue that won't seem to go away
id rather have a goofy laser than a stinkjet
inkjets have their place
I'm rather happy with my Epson 7600.
but that's sort of a bad boy printer. 6 color dye, 24" wide.
Yeah, The "DuraBright" ink is nice for labels and things that you want permanent.
I thought it'd be cool to use the UltraChrome pigment ink for some stuff, but I didn't find out until I bought it that
it's only one or the other.
Whichever you put in first, dye or pigment, that's what you have to use for the rest of the printers life.
unless you completely replace the entire ink sub system
or maybe a Dell 1600N
Cheaper to buy another printer...
Cheap at only $3000
What's the $ of the ink sub-sys and installation?
$450 for the printer or the rebuild?
I don't know, but it's not worth the effort
we normally need to use the dye for daily printing, so it's not worth it to switch over.
or a fax and a old laserjet printer ...
like we ever need to scan
robin_sz: PUNT! :)
where did I go?