for a given machine I agree that all internal data should use the same units
but I don't think EMC should dicatate to the machine builder what that unit is
microns, mm, meters, inches, should be the builder's choice
yes - but there are definitely confusing things in e.g. the ini file
people don't know what units are attached to different parameters
length, length^2, "units", counts, etc.
yes - ini and configs are a sticking point for HAL...
The other thing to look at is dynamic configurability of HAL drivers
for example, on the USC, there's an 8-bit output port (separate from the SSR outputs)
this is meant for spindle speed control, but the driver doesn't use it yet
it's supposed to connect to a DAC, right?
It is just 8 port bits, which can be output to an R-2R ladder, or to a D/A converter
but, it could also be used as 8 HAL_BIT outputs
yo chouldn't need a different driver for those two options
you shouldn't ...
so there should be a method of either having driver "snap-in" modules, or having a driver be able to change the pins it exports dynamically
ideally the driver would know what is connected there... if a DAC, it would export one analog HAL pin who's value is written to the DAC. otherwise, it exports 8 digital HAL pins
in this case, the driver can't know, because there is no feedback (unless you compile a separate driver)
right now if the driver can't tell by polling the HW, you'd have to pass the "DAC/noDAC" info as an insmod command line
also, there's no reason why you couldn't connect a D/A to any generic I/O port (or block)
hal drivers in general use insmod command line parameters for config - you wouldn't have to recompile
I suppose what I'm trying to do could be done by a DacBits module - has one float input and 8 bit outputs
some DACs could do that... but most these days have strobes or similar, and don't just want to see 8 wires
DAVbits would unpack, then later parport would repack... that is certainly sub-optimal
yes - that's why I'm wondering about reconfigurability
I'm assuming the case where someone wants to connect a DAC to 8 arbitrary digital outputs is gonna be rare
is there any way for low-level data to make its way up to higher levels? (like, which HAL_PINs are on the same physical port)
not arbitrary bits, but on a purely digital board, yes
ie, a PCI-DIO board from computerboards would have no notion of analog in the driver, but it would be nice to be able to grab a "byte" or "word" of output from it, as one block
for use in a higher-level function
again, could be done by insmod time parameters
a toolchanger might have a similar requirement for aggregated biuts
instead of exporting 8 hal_bit pins, it could export one hal_u8 pin
yes - but then every driver has to be changed for each possible data type
(ie, if we add a HAL_u64 and HAL_s64, all drivers would need updating to support it)
(or at least those with more than 32 bits ;) )
hopefully the syntax for telling a driver "bits 0-8 are individual, bits 8-15 should be packed, 16-23 are single, and 24-foo are packed" could be standardized, and applied to all multi-bit digital drivers
there will be no HAL_u64
current generations of processor can't access 64 bit values atomically
all hal types are 32 bits or less, for that reason
yes they can
not without wrapping the code in something
tmp = *foo;
amd_64 and ia_64 and ppc are all ecxamples of processors that can
is not atomic
when the last ia32 CPU is pushing up daisies, then we can start using 64 bit hal types ;-)
some can, but that's not good enough
actually, the place where I wish I could use 64 bits is not digital I/O, its analog
hal_float is a float, not a double, because of the 32 bit limitation
oh you said bits... make that 128 =)
parts is parts, pieces is pieces bits well sweep them up
jmkasunich : I feel that 256 bit computers should be commonplace TODAY.
why? no need for them
Jymmm where's my flying car?
they promised us hovercrafts damnit!
jmkasunich it would help in cryptography work, that's for sure.
damned mplayer wouldn't play me any sound on that DVD so I'm building a new one and if this doesn't work why this computer may just have an entirely new definition of just what "booting the system" can really mean!
minor speedup, yes, but any size CPU can manage arbitrarly long keys anyway
you don't need a 1024 bit CPU to do encryption with 1024 bit keys
jmkasunich Well, I'm expecting 256bit to also once and for all resolve the floating point issues along the way.
hopefully this christmas season Santa will leave me a nice new PC at the town dumps here i really need to upgrade
jmkasunich I'm not talking en/decryption itself as much as cryptography.
as in breaking of encryption?
* Jymmm first project when he gets this cnc router built will be to create a dumpster diving trophy for pfred1
jmkasunich I never said encryption. cryptography os much more than just that.
heck this year I should be able to find systems more powerful than this one
sorry, don't know much about it
this is only an 800MHz
yeah I'm pulling 450s out with fair regularity up to now and have gotten a 500
until last week, 600 was my best
so I figure by christmas this year I should be getting stuff faster than 800MHz
I got an 800 this week, but that was the first
yeah I'm figuring that 800 and up from here on in picking
they don't approve of people taking whole computers, so I grab parts
my town you just grab the whole box
but when I saw the 800, I grabbed the mobo and cpu and ram all together
take it home maybe flip around the floppy cable and you're in business
I pick at work.. can only take certain things
the last one i grabbed it was really weird it needed a drive on one of it's SCSI busses in order to boot
it was very specific as to which SCSI chain needed a drive
SCSI busses in general is weird these days, unless it's a server or something
that one took me a few minutes to figure out
yeah it was an HP Kayak had 2 seperate SCSIs in it
two whole different busses
and without a drive on one it didn't want to know anything
high end box in its day
I never seen anything like it before
yeah it was a POS
I ended up just snagging the memory out of it
Early Raid-0/1 box.
nice assed case
I don't like HP - too much proprietary stuff
but overall it was a dog
yeah when I grabbed it I really thought I had something
til I actually got it running
I know that feeling
heck I got PI200's that'll kick it's ass
it is a PII450
Hehehe.. I have a Compaq like that..
yeah I was a little miffed
maybe if it had the second CPU installed i donno
maybe then it'd have been something just had one in it though
[00:32:40] <jmkasunich> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=tis07266&locale=en_US&taskId=101&prodSeriesId=50440&prodTypeId=15351
that's the fanciest box I've ever picked
so far best system I've nailed has been an IBM Aptiva box
it's a PIII500
I actually use it in my dungeon lab
20GB HDD DVD player 256MB RAM CD burner
I've never found a DVD, and only onw CD burner
yeah that one was funny I grabbed it down in the metal pile
the bucket loader had already pushed it around some
so I grabbed it out of the mud not knowing what it was figured I'd pull the IDC connector out of it or something
got it home read the decal on it I was likt this can't be true
I think it had a fiddly keyboard PS2 connector or something
oh gawd same deal Cannot find codec for audio format 0x2001.
back (for a bit)
on the 64 bit thing - it's only an example :)
but, I wouldn't worry about atomic reads/writes when all bits are represented in individual bytes anyway ;)
well if you define a 16 bit entity, I assume you want it transferred atomically
(or 8, or 32)
a 32-bit float is fine going between drivers and higher level code, but not enough between different high level functions
the atomic thing is only needed if data is being passed between different threads
actually, there's no reason to have floats in drivers - all the hardware deals in bits
that's where we differ
I think a dac should be commanded to output _volts_, not counts
you can have conversion functions for DAC/ADC cards, where the function converts (on the user/high level side)3
the higher level code shouldn't have to know whether you have an 8, 10, or 12 bit converter
all code other than the driver and the helper deal in floats
why have the separate helper?
it may ease the pains of floats in kernel space
hal supports floating point math on a thread by thread basis
right - RTAPI allows you to specify, right?
if a thread is defined as supporting FP, then any function/module in that thread can use FP with no penalty
there is a penalty, but it's only on thread switch, not between functions in the thread
things like the digital only hardware drivers (parport, etc) and the fast stuff (stepgen, encoder) are integer only
true - anything dealing with analog is probably on a slower update cycle as well
right - so no additional penalty, once one module uses FP, and a high level module almost certainly does
stepgen accepts a float command in a slow thread, which does the scaling and float to int conversion
I gues sit depends on how you use the term "module"
then the fast thread generates the steps
yeah, module is badly overloaded
(the word that is)
yep - I think there were three or four different versions in the last 3 sentences :)
I use component to refer to a hal "thing", like stepgen, or parport, or encoder
so are stepgen and the stepgen helper in the same thread (or module)?
stepgen is the component (implemented as a kernel module)
it exports two functions, one uses fp, and is intended to be added to a slow thread
the other uses integers and generates the steps, and is intended to be added to a fast thread
it also exports several pins and parameters
all that stuff is part of one component
OK - and the callers have to mark themselves as float or not, depending on which of hte two functions they call
(or is that automagic somehow?)
when the function is exported, it is labeled as using fp math or not using fp math
when a thread is created, it is also defined as fp capable or not
the api won't let you add a function that needs fp to a thread that can't support it
do you have a system that can compile emc2 (head)?
I don't think so - I only have kernel 2.6 systems ATM
that would include BDI-2.xx, BDI-TNG, I think BDI-Live rc46, but not BDI-4.xx
the best way to get a handle on hal is to play around with it
yep - I can probably boot a 2.4.something on my Gentoo box, but I haven't gone through the RT patches on any of those
I think I've got a good handle on the overall design, and it looks good to me
I'll be bringing at least one BDI-TNG box in addition to this one which is running BDI-4.20
I just worry about the cycles at the bottom of the food chain :)
a man after my own heart
My real focus is to get a HAL-enabled USC / kernel 2.6 system going
getting HAL (and the rest of emc2(head) to compile on 2.6 is high on my priority list too
I like 2.6 for several reasons, and I can wait a bit to make my machine work
(though I'd love to start making money with it)
I thikn we can work on that at Fest
I'm glad Jon decided to go
I have some learning to do about the kernel build system for 2.6
It's not too hard - I'm not sure what the specific detail changes are
I know it's easier to get modules compiled on 2.6
things like .ko instead of .o, and needing to have a kernel source tree installed
but not nevessarily to migrate a build system
on 2.4, you only needed kernel headers
true - you need the full make system installed for 2.6
(makefile / kbuild stuff, not GNU make)
the real trick is gonna be making it work under 2.6 without breaking it for 2.4
but it's easier from the perspective of #DEFINE KERNEL and the ease of make SUBDIRS=.
that could be an issue for kernel modules
I'm gonna bring the compile farm along to allow for multi-platform builds
that's the compaqs? :)
(which reminds me, gotta install 4.20 on there, if it will fit)
no, an old 8 slot blade server box
so we can compile overnight :D
20 mins or so, depending on the distro
BDI-2.xx compiles EMC about three times faster than BDI-Live rc46, on the same hardware
pfred: basically 8 machines in one box, each has a different distro installed
* pfred1 builds yet another mplayer with dts support hopefully ...
the whole reason I got this DVD was because my pirate rip of this movie the sound is garbled in one spot
SWP: here is the compile farm output: http://www.linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/
what's the main difference between the two (2.whatever and rc46)?
more likely kernel revision and X / text login
means there was 45 before it that didn't cut it either I'd imagine
got it - 2.2 vs. 2.4
BDI-2 is based on RH 6.x, BDI-TNG is based on RH7.x, and Live is morphis/knoppix or something like that
RH7.X was a classic
one of the best Linux distros ever
I still got a box here running 7.3
yeah, I like BDI-TNG... but paul doesn't - RH did something that pissed him off, and he stopped supporting TNG
yeah RH did stuff that pissed everyone off
that's why I went to SuSE
another differnece between the BDIs is that 2.xx uses RTLinux, TNG and later use RTAI
but Debian has been pissing me off for years so ...
interesting - BDI 2.18 uses cc as the compiler, TNG uses egcs, and rc46 uses gcc
I swear Billy Gates is like the lead developer for Debian and he keeps it clunky just to keep Windows popular
SWP: never noticed that before
I was just flipping through the three EMC2 build logs, and noticed the differneces
TNG uses egcs because it has a version of gcc that doesn't generate a good kernel
right - the 2.96 debacle
which really turned out to be bad assembler in the kernel
(I was aware of the TNG vs Live difference, didn't realise that 2.18 did something different)
I really should get the farm up and running again
unfortunately, the latest rc46 build failed, so I can't see valid time comparisons
rc47 here we come!
it might be good to have the makefiles linked from that page as well
and rcslib tree
but these are from 10/25/04
emc1 and rcslib never really built well on BDI-Live.. you had to jump thru some hoops
and the farm doesn't
(something like replacing a couple of headers, or a script, or something... don't recall)
the farm has been down since christmas
that would explain it
I powered it down while traveling, and there hasn't been much demand for it since then
Actually - I have to run, I really need to get the LED thing going tonight (my friend is freaking out a bit since I'm leaving on Sunday)
it was used fairly heavily during the development of the autoconfig branch which has since been merged
I'll chat later, but unfortunately not during either of the next two Sunday developer meetings
(on a plane both days)
thanks, see ya
SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
ok, whos in ohio?
...in the middle of Bumfsck, Egypt
what's round on both ends and high in the middle?
jmkasunich no silly Ohio!
* Jymmm bets $5 he can guess jmkasunich phone number
not gonna take that
and address, and yob
jmk: disconnect, man! He's tracing you!
aren't many "kasunich" in the phone book
ok, gimme a name and state
Bierbower, in Wyoming
Smith, John, Ohio
asdfqwega first name
asdfqwega nothing found
asdfqwega : gilmore Rd
Found the online yellowpages, did you?
oh no, worse
...you've hacked the telco
yellowpages doens't have DOB's
ok another name and state
Ashley Riggs, Nevada
no ashley's but some A.
So, what database have you gotten your fingers into?
a background check db
it found ppl I know that are not using a computer too
old addresses and new addresses too
Oh, what the heck
Is there a URL? I'd like to see if I'm in there
so, got anyone you wanna hunt down?
And if I did, I wouldn't be so goshe as to admit it in a public channel XD
Jymmm how much you charging?
depends if ambulances or funeral homes are necessary =)
$40 USD otherwise
my old BA used to tell me it was $200 as long as they weren't famous or anything
life is so cheap ain't it?
High all... ; )==~~~
I could have gotten high today I turned it down though
out of the habit
ah.. you can't get high on the ground anyway...
tomorrmow it looks like we fly...
nah we'd have gone upstairs to have gotten high
dmess Death Valley 200+ ft BELOW sea level
yewah we're on a mountain anyways so even on the ground we're fairly high
iv stood 7380 feet BGL
I was working for a scaffolding company and i asked one of the employees once so how high have you gone on the job? he said like 4 joints ...
im still waiting to get that high in an unpowered wing..
they were a crazy outfit
they did like the Statue of Liberty
so was Macassa #3 shaft...
they scaffolded a job once and the building they scaffolded burned to the ground
but it didn't fall down the scaffold held it up
we went to hell on a sting...1.875" in diameter and 4 miles long
Pos:2027.5s 49504f (29%) 87fps Trem: 22min 4053mb A-V:0.023 [4126:768]
my copy copy rip which I'll transcode
plumb within .75 " 0ver 7380'
man this is such cool software
that's about .0001% error
yeah that's nice
hm 13 channels and nothing on
get a friend with a netflicks account
andyg Do you know the difference between regular and cable tv?
cable has 100 channels of crap, regular only has 13
Jymmm netflicks is cooler than even cable
andyg With cable, it just takes longer to find out there's nothing on.
sure, with regular tv, you don't get 34kbps
pfred1 We have a netflix acnt
I use t,yahoo.com
pfred1 already watched Elektra
when i was on DSL I'd just download flicks out of usenet but with cable i have a usenet cap
I was doing digital on demand years ago :)
with nutin on kinda makes my TiVo project pointless
heck I got that last lord of the rings while it was still in the theatres
beautiful rip of it
I'd like to find a video store with all 45 episodes of KungFu
andyg you seen kill bill?
he's in that
I laughed like hell when I realized he was bill
I need at least one episode, so the guy at work will understand why I say "very good Grasshopper", when he codes a loop from 0
bruse lee was supposed to play the lead in that it was his project
but they figured a chinese wouldn't sell in a US market so they ripped his idea off
but Kane was half american, not half chinese
um, wait a sec...
nah it was bruce lee's idea they just stole it from him and screwed it up
those were different times
yes they weere :sigh:
when color TV didn't mean colored TV
life was simpler then, fewer haircuts
or coloreds on TV!
it simply wasn't done back then
I think bruce lee would have been a hell of a lot better than david carridene
man bruce lee kicked mad ass!
all in the family broke a lot of TV boundries
I dunno i think D C played it pretty well
man he's no bruce lee
yes it did
nobody is no bruce lee
when he played kato and kicked out the lite on the ceiling
man that was wild stuff!
but wait there was a black family on tv...Kid DINOMITE
I got a rip of the bruce lee story on my system someplace
what the heck was that show...the dad was never there, was wworking on the pipe line
remember the pipeline? financed almost as manay startups as coke in the 70's
father don't know jack?
the alaskan pipeline?
yeah I remember when it was getting built
and they made the trucks with the special tires that wouldn't hurt the tundra supposedly
some guy laid down let the truck run over him
reminds me of this salesman I heard about
he was demonstrating this unbreakable skylight
and it broke under him
did he have an impact on the tundra?
9 stories into an empty pool
I hope the next salesman that showed up had some good bloodstain remover product
I've lost sales, but not quite htat damatic
I don't think that guy was too worried
you don't live through a 9 story drop into an epmty pool
least he didn't ;)
mh I gotta find a air contitioner on sale
andy... ill sell you some ice
where did the water come from?
the top of the lake
but you better get you order in soon or its gets more $$$
na I can get lake ice
wait, does yours come with waleye or perch on top?
Phydbleep, yes, how'd you guess?
That's too far to ship a cheap window unit.
I hate refrigerated air and ended up with an air conditioner.
ah, yes my isp is showing
I'm moved down to the city recently and am dreading hot weather
It's usually < 40% humidity here.. Evaporative coolers are the way to go...
heh it's usually 98% humidity here, unless it's really humid
Inoticed some of those ECs, hadn't seen them as a consumer product before
I used to live in east Texas.. 110 degrees, 110% humidity.
I would die
here's one 5k BTU 83.95US, hm wonder where it was made...
The EC here is ~ 30sqft of pad and is good for 120 outside to 75 inside. :)
yeah, I've hacked those befor, fan+towel+5gal bucket
[03:02:11] <Jymmm> http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/3c5ad59a/newcar.jpg&cb=20030927020448
Jymmm, is it for sale??
ROFLMAO!... Man that must be a bitch of a drive with a hangover..
Phydbleep Texas? Why nothing but steers and queers ever come out of Texas and i don't see any horns on you!
[03:05:46] <Jymmm> http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/584e5fac/doc.gif&cb=20030927020448
damn there's tags left on that? they all must be queers there!
I wonder if that guy is WEPed
all in the name of science
cool google logo is it mike angelo's birthday?
davinci painted that
and last i heard it's getting moved
oop da vinci
mike painted the ceilings
can i copy that? does google own the copywrite, gad life is complicated
I donno I been saving googles for a while now
whenever they put up special ones i save them
it's a hobby of mine collecting them :)
this is my first
andyg well here catch up to me then http://22.214.171.124:10000/new/Multimedia/randpix/Googles/allpix4.php
ha the filename is even da_vinci on it
thanks pfred1, mabe another time
I'm a pretty big fan of da vinci tho so I know his work
he was a geat hacker
heck he probably even predicted nostradomas
the da vinci code is some strange stuff
oh look CNC octopus feeding http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/15/octopus.love.ap/index.html
I'm ignorant of it
Every hour, food was being dispensed through an electronic, automatic feeder.
Initially we thought maybe it was a fluke," DeCastro said. "But it turned out to be a Flounder!"
[03:24:12] <Jymmm> http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/778bb5d1/SafeSex_1.gif&cb=20030313004903
pfred1: The wife would disagree, I keep my human-horn hidden when not in use to deter alien poachers.
* Phydbleep was muzzling a dog with it's own sphincter.
anon not around =(
Damn it's dead in here...
Phydbleep has changed the topic to:
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les, what's the proper method of grinding stuff?
A-L-P-H-A " everything at a 45 degree angle =)
Eeeeesh... I'm on a 21" CRT and running a resolution of 1920 x 1440 and everything still looks too large, like it's cluttering up the screen.
oh, the horror
SWP_Away ain't it though! =)
I also suffer from terrible monitor problems - there are borders between my three 19" monitors :D
I just feel for those that dont have such a large screen available to them
I mean, it's not a seamless 3840x1024 display - I can barely cope
lcd or crt ?
(not much desk space left over)
or cold air either
I may change to dual 1600x1200 LCD soon
32" might be nice
err 24" 16:9
too big - I hope to get an IBM T221
22.2 inch, 3840x2400 resolution (!)
it's 200 pixels per inch
this is messed up....
The back side is more interesting - besides the power and USB (for firmware flashing only) port, there are two high-density custom connectors - each connects to two DVI cables for a maximum of four DVI connections. Why so many? Because DVI supports only up to 1920x1200 resolution at the 60Hz refresh, one-quarter of T221. So, in order to get the 3840x2400 native resolution, you'd need, according to IBM, at least two DVI connections from a single card at once (to ge
that's the one :)
DVI has a big bandwidth problem
nope - it has a slow refresh, but the image is stunning
(oh - DVI sucks - yeah)
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[11:58:37] <Jymmm> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8578
I saw one at Photokina - it was displaying a satellite image, and it looked like a shuttle window
(not the monitor, but the image)
SWPadnos, I have the same issue with my 3 19" monitors...
yeah, that's what this article is saying "hpoto quality"
Time: 09:15:08 -0500 GMT, Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), AMD XP 2800+ running at (1-AMD , 2123MHz, 512KB (0% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 816/1024MB (79.69%), C: 47.61gb of 75.42gb free, D: 0gb of 0gb free, N: 49.11gb of 372.62gb free, Current Uptime: 2days 21hrs 43mins 32secs, Record Uptime: 3wks 12hrs 48mins 50secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
A-L-P-H-A well GLUE them together =)
all running at 1280x1024x32bit
I just don't know if I'll be able to see text on that screen
oh. + the TV.
Ah - you have multiple video cards
I have two.
one AGP, and one PCI.
probably ATI, considering where you live :)
I know too many people that work at ATI.
I have a single Matrox
all the Matrox engineers moved to ATI.
Matrox is deadwood.
i have multiple ATI as well...
yeah - a few went to NVidia
Matrox has a R&D in Ontario... so they mainly went to ATI.
after they waited their mandatory 90 days of course
it's pretty sad - the image quality and multihead features are outstanding, but they couldn't make the Parhelia work quite right, and then ATI came out with the radeon 9xxx line, and stomped everyone
I've got two 9200's in my box.
9200 upstairs and a 9600+ in the wifes box.. a bunch af agp's rage 3d etc in a box
I like ATI... they're Canadian. :)
ive been using them since they came out
I had pre ATI rage stuff.
who merged with TRident?
oh well. not a matter.
3dlabs, I think
Jymmm, sorry that you're a yank. Just happens that your genetic stock isn't worthy of Canada. :)
wow, I'm still hungry... but I ate a full meal already.
A-L-P-H-A too bad you canook's just dont have any balls! =)
oh yeah, Iforgot.... Eh
Jymmm, sorry. we don't feel like occupying, and having our citizens in a coutry that doesn't want us.
hey! look... we have a crook as our leader, you guys just have a monkey.
A-L-P-H-A A lil backwards there... we didn't want them (King of England)
what are you smoking?
oh you talking the war shit... well like I said... you canooks are just on our coattails is all.
Jymmm, ever think of why the rest of the world doesn't like America?
Casue we have the balls to speak up
Jymmm, if you think that... my point is proven.
When was the last time Canada did something/anything for another country?
that wasn't a smartass question either.
2004 Tsunami relief.
Everyone around the global did something there.
Jymmm, do you remember the looks people gave at the USA? When they were trying to cheap out?
I dont keep up with political events too often
I hate the news too
too fuckign depressing
the fine US of A offered a whopping $15 million for tsunami relief
ok, and the problem with that?
which was then increased to $350M after everyone in the world said - "wow, what a bunch of cheap bastards"
The USA is hated by the majority of the world, because of the audacity that they believe that they have the sole right to be the world police.
Well - $15 million is less than we spend on security for Pres. Bush's vacations
(which he takes more often and for longer than any other president in history)
I have no issues with most of the American people... just the American political agenda, that hoodwinks most of their population anyways.
it is amazing
so, ppl are whingin about USA and $15Mil, what has these other countries done for other places?
I like the quote (paraphrased) by a leader of the Soviet Union - "wow, your propaganda machine really works, and the people don't even suspect it"
Well - other, less wealthy countries, were pledging hundreds of millions at the time
Jymmm? do you actually read?
SWPadnos : Oh, I suspect it, just dealing with it in my own silent ways =)
A-L-P-H-A scroll back
So stop asking questions you can quickly research.
I wonder is there an "anti-america.com" website?
A-L-P-H-A I said PRE-Tsunami
we in the US have no idea what has been happening in, e.g. Sri Lanka
Jymmm, what humanatarian aid/relief do you want to talk about?
SWPadnos not sure if we want to know
We only know that the terrible Tamil Tigers are terrorists, and that the beaches are nice for vacationing
Except that that's not true
I have a friend whose family is from Sri Lanka
She was scheduled to go there last December 26, but that trip was postponed for obvious reasons
A-L-P-H-A oh, so if a country is in political trouble, Canada doesn't help?
Jymmm, just because you're ignorant (not insulting you), does not mean other countries are not doing anything. Oh hey... look, I don't see it print, so it must mean there's nothing happening.
The amount of world information that we in the US miss is staggering
Jymmm, :) I'll take it that you're trying to goad me, and that you really aren't that big of a moron. :)
SWPadnos It's a case of TMI
My father in law had never even *heard* of the BBC until last year
no it's not - it's a case of unimportant things being plastered all over the news, when important things are ignored
He was wondering what the funny accents were when I flipped on PBS
and this is pretty normal for the midwest
A-L-P-H-A I'm serious for a sec... There are 3rd world countries in political demise. I don't hear of Canada or other coutnries saying "We'll give you a hand here". Please correct me if I'm mistake
It's much more important to people to keep up with the latest sports news than anything political
Jymmm, we vote, and support UN actions. We have UN forces all over the freak'n place.
SWPadnos Like I said... we're flood with too much info.
A-L-P-H-A Not UN, Canada itself, individually
humanatarian relief/aid where ever we are welcomed.
A-L-P-H-A : I said political assistance, not humanitarian
right, but it's because some company decided that Nascar news is more important than what's happening in the world
SWPadnos It's is damnit!
Jymmm, if we went to a country without invitation, we'd be the US. Occupying countries.
wait a moment, the US Midwest is one of the sanest regions in the world, the east and west coasts are a mess
Jymmm, we are not out to meddle with other countries political affairs.
andyg only cause you bored out of your minds! =)
We aren't out to impose our thoughts and ideas out on the REST of the world.
A-L-P-H-A so, now we've come full circle to what I originally said... no bawls
Jymmm. So lets say we have a big country, imposing their thoughts and belief on a small country? that makes it right?
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Jymm, right, please don't come here you'd just be bored, NYC is nice this time of year
SWPadnos. :) thanks.
there's a fine line between bravery and stupidity
ah, if ya wann know what the former ruler of Iraq was like, watch the Sopranos
Jymmm's just one of those stupid brain washed republicans.
helping others do what *they* want takes more balls than hitting them with a stick until they do what *you* want
I personaly was brought up to stand up to bullies, and won't appologise for it
not the informed republicans.
andyg? who was bullying who?
the midwest is full of nice people, who don't have enough information to make good decisions
Don't tell me Sadam. Cause he was contained.
SWPadnos, that I can believe.
A-L-P-H-A, think World Trade Center
Same with many parts of Canada though.
andyg: that's the whole point - there was *NO* link between Iraq and the WTC - but half the country still thinks there was
andyg? and...? You dessimated Al Queda.
Shit.... Our gov KNEW about 9/11 before it even happened.
SWPadnos... welcome to the genius spin doctors that work in the government. :)
there are as many links between the Bush family and the Bin Laden family as there were between Al-Qaeda and Iraq
SWPadnos, actually shit loads of links between them.. except AlQaeda+Iraq.
Bush - Bin Laden. Bush and Iraq.
all about money and oil holdings.
SWPadnos, if sone one burned you garage, and I said to you, I wish I had done it, I think the arson deserves a prize, what do you think of me?
yeah - the indirect link through the oil-baron president ;)
andyg. shit then. half the world needs to be nuked.
I'm glad you didn't get the chance, but I wouldn't prosecute you for wanting me to have no garage
if you were the one who did it, then I'd prosecute
cause most think it's the US that's the dickhead of the world. :) there's gotta be a reason why they believe this.
and yes, I'll shoot you if you try to take my property
anyway, talk to the young men in the service, that are in Iraq ask then what the citizens think
I'm no pacifist, but I also don't believe in war for foolish economic or personal reasons
so... anyone use emc in here?
Jymmm: heh - I'm trying
A-L-P-H-A, reason???? mabe CNN?
Jymmm, thanks I'm done :)
actually, I'd say it's the US media that convinces us that we're *not* assholes
heh the "media" never convinced me of anything
Well, Bush is the true asshole
Jymmm, are you a republican?
I'm gonna go garage saleing for a emc host
King of the Assholes, I'd say
A-L-P-H-A I'm non political
Rumsfield was bigger.
I still think Bush doesn't have a real thought of his own. Puppet of big business.
andyg : Just curious... Do you think there was anything the US Gov could have done to prevent 9/11 from happening?
dose the emc "distro" include and grafic simulation capabilities?
well - this is all interesting, but I've got to run - I hope you're all still alive next week :)
Jymmm, probably not
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Jymmm, security is inversly proportional to freedom, I err on the side of freedom
andyg : Then take a peek at this... http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon244.swf
could we have done anything about Pearl Harbor, the Maine? this question is not a new one
* andyg looks for tinfoil hat
andyg you should look at that clip
Jymmm, I did thanks
andyg That was a BIG eye opener at least for me.
I'll see if Ican confirm it from other sources
I'm off to see the wider world, have a great day all
C ya andyg
rayh: good morning
Hal May is bringing his EMC computer over this morning. I'm going to try to help him sort through some things.
Good. he's called a couple times.
I told hime that we would set up the box on the dining room table and keep close to the internet connection for reference.
dan_falck : Got WiFi? =)
I might be calling you later on.
no WiFi. Just this Mac Cube connected to DSL
No problem. I'll be around.
dan_falck for ethernet router?
dan_falck no ethernet router?
He's running two different mills at seperate times with one computer
But paul_c knows much more than I.
These are stepper?
Jymmm: I have a wire ethernet cable running under the floor of the living room.
rayh, you having the party?
rayh: yes steppers
You bet. 55 gal drum full of your favorite.
rayh: last weekend I think I talked him through setting the seperate run files, over the phone.
Steaks and chicken on the grill
is 55 gallons = 200L?
A-L-P-H-A paint strippers
You could do that with a single run and ...run -ini hal1.ini
A bit more than that 250?
rayh: seperate icons that run different bash scripts, right?
55 US gallons = 208.197649 liters
and ...run -ini hal2.ini
A-L-P-H-A FYI... http://www.google.com/search?q=55gal+to+liters&sa=Search+Google
Separate icons with the same run command but different ini files named.
t's an newer thing that paul has worked up.
typoing 101 practice again.
rayh: like emc.run -ini hal1.ini
Isn't there like two types of gallons?
Yes there are at least 2
I believe that Paul has most of the sudo commands added to the latest run
so that you can start it as an ordinary user.
so long as hal is in the /etc/sudoers file.
and has nopasswd access.
rayh: Hal said that when he turned on emc his dro readouts where all reading .006"
This sudo is standard install with bdi-4xx
rayh: so, I figured he has something set in the var file
Deadband or var or home values in the ini.
Although deadband should random if it's larger than that.
ok, will check them out
Seems like it could also be backlash comp although it should
not be applied until after the first direction reversal.
he said that when he commanded it to go 1.000 it actually went .994
If I remember the conversation,...
I asked if the dro were really reading -.006 and he said "no"
Hal started with emc.ini rather than generic.ini
I see that there is an ff1 value of 0.077 in the "official" version
This would cause the direction bit to dither.
And with a P of 1000 it would dither a lot.
I'm thinking that ff1, P, and a big backlash could do just that.
You've got an interesting day ahead of you dan_falck
rayh: Ok, I will check it out. I will keep the phone handy.
I think I'll be on here for a while today.
jmkasunich is now known as jmk_away
Tell the fam hi from us.
he seems happy enough with EMC. He did get some carving done this week
he used to have an Ah-Ha system and he says that EMC is better
being able to change the feed over ride on the fly helped him out a lot
you can't do that on the Ah-Ha system that he had
Tell Hal hi also. He's got a lot of courage/curiosity for his age.
he does. 2 weeks ago, he bought a new computer from Fry's and installed BDI 4.20 right away
feed override and feed hold are not negotiable.
I told him to get a bunch of em for me at 180 or whatever he paid.
I think it was a 1 per person sale
1 day only
I looked into it the day after the sale...
Fake identity time...
That's me also.
I did get one of those WalMart specials a couple years ago.
199 with preloaded lindows.
what do you get for $199?
EPIA mb 800 via 128 meg 133 ram.
cd reader and floppy.
It's still one of my build boxes,
case and PS I assume?
onboard video and shared video ram?
2.18 2.20b, live 4c46, and a bastard child Paul and I built.
4 meg video and 15 color.
It's a mess on the 2xx stuff but not bad with live.
I finally upgraded here
put a new PS, mobo, cpu, ram and video into one of my old cases
and I connect it to my Sherline so I can hear the pulsetrain.
$302, less $60 in rebates which I'm getting ready to mail right now
Smithy built around a 2.6 celeron with agp video the other day.
I built a 2.6 Semperon (amd) for Maxine
this is a 1.666GHz AMD Sempron, they call it a 2200+
for stuff like gimp, ooffice, lyx
* Jymmm hates rebates
Flies through gimp rendering.
Nice. Have you got 2.6 on it?
jmk_away : You are getting paid to be placed on a Mailing list that gets sold
How do you like the kate editor?
I've used kate as my main programming editor since I started coding on emc, that was the version with BDI-TNG
Ray - is Smithy still marketing the CNC mill? Will it be at NAMES again?
I must say there are some things about the latest kate I like less than the older one
Some of the highlighting is'nt perfect.
as are the left edge of the edit dock markings.
yeah, the old one would sometimes miss the end of a comment, and treat the entire remainder of the file as comments
you can change the hilighting styles Kate uses (and KWrite - anything that uses the KWrite KPart as its editor)
bookmarks work great
the dock things were annoying, till I turned them off
I like the multiple file open thing.
SWP_Away doesn't kwrite still have a few issues with it?
or am I thinking kmail?
Great for copy and paste with gcode.
It may - I normally use Kate
I don't like the way the new one handles the file/directory window, in the old version it was always there, in the new, you have to click to open, and it covers part of the edit window
I don't know about the more "word-processor-ish" functions - I use OO
Okay. I've got your answer.
show the files, click the little middle icon right above them.
That separates the docks so you see both at once.
then go into settings and ask kate to keep the configuration.
Close it down with a few files on both sides.
and when you reopen it it will come back to that config.
Now remove the files.
and save again.
open again and turn off the save last config.
Kind of a nusance and there may well be easier ways.
it's working - thanks!
The little icon above the file names is a box.
Welcome. Brute force is one of my best acts.
I should put a page on the wiki.
gotta go for a bit... back later
Oh btw Paul has a bit of a surprise for 4.20 at codeFest.
He told me not to spill it or he'd ask the desk for random wake up calls.
(we are sharing a room)
if he really wanted it to be a surprize, why do you (and he) keep hinting about it?
It's a ploy to get more folk out.
and if you're sharing a room, wouldn't random wake-up calls wake him up too?
I did that sort of thing in the college dorm.
not neccessarily - Paul might already be awake - he keeps strange hours
set the alarm, for 3 and take a sleeping pill.
jmk_away is now known as jmk_really_away
catch you later, john.
That is the weirdest thing... goin thru some cad totorials, making a pipe shape with multiple elbows, and one of the lengths looks like fan folded heat sink!
Jymmm: what program are you working with?
ah that was fun Garbage saling
rayh: are you around?
rayh: we got things working on Hal's computer. Deadband was the problem. It was set to .0006.
jmk_really_away is now known as jmkasunich
I'm sorting thru the mess in the basement
I live in the mess in the basement
same here, but I'm starting to worry about collapse
have sorted the balls into a ball screw
heh - I may need to have a client visit sometime, so I'll need to clean as well
Imperator... that's always so much fun ;-)
its a shame most folks are flying to the fest... otherwise I could bring a truckload of stuff and give it away to clear out my basement
tought i can use a rolled paper to keep them inside while removing the nut from the screw
well - I can bring an extra suitcase :)
Not sure - probably panel switches and lights
got computer parts, some motors, misc electronics
two ball screws 2000mm long 32mm diameter
Imperator_ 6 foot?
I'd love to fiddle with a BLDC motor, so if Ray doesn't need all of those, one would be nice
how about a linear BLDC (AC servo) motor?
jep 6 foot
Cool - as long as I can find docs on it
linear motors are fun
I'm getting my big truck on the 26th here
[18:05:15] <jmkasunich> http://home.att.net/~jmkasunich/Pics/cabinet.jpg
i mean I need that two ball screws :-)
I remember that - I like the control box on top
I think you said Ray has dibs on the motors though
see the gray panel under the computer? with all the lighted buttons?
jmkasunich planning on killing osmeone and dumping them into the water?
that's what the case is for ;)
I have a tupperware container with all the buttons and such from a similar panel
stuffing them into that case i bet they never come up!
I got a boat anchor today at the dumps myself
damn, is Jymmm, Kenneth mcNamara??
I picked up this marble statue there someone had tossed onto the stone pile it must weigh close to 300 pounds
oh, system, not machine
SWP: does that mean I should bring the container?
I was wondering that, but that question is about the computer, not the machine
How much does it weigh?
hey i got a question about physics
SWP_Away. :) heh. wasn't just me.
how come objects weigh less when you're picking them up for free than when you get them home to unload them?
I mean the weight difference is always substantial
Because you're excited when you get the good deal, so you're pumping adrenaline - once you get home, it's work to unload them ;)
I grab stuff chuck it into the truck then get it home the weight seems to double!
and even more work to move all the rest of the crap to make a spot for them
and I'm like why the hell did i pick up this heavy thing?
but the statue it's really nice
I'll put her into my fountain in my new place
it's like church quality stuff
hey hey AJ.
jmkasunich heh she's laying on the ground on the side of my driveway right now
stuff being stuff.
what kind of stuuf?
thinking I don't even need an ER-16 collet.
alex_joni any kind of stuff
collets? we don't need no steenking collets!
and I'll just ream out a 1/8" hole into some mild steel... and use that as a spindle.
yeah, we mill with drill chucks
SWP_Away I could always use a few more over here
SWP_Away. think that'd be okay?
les would know.
like today I picked up a container of chisels not like i don't already have loads of chisels but hey for $5 I couldn't pass them up
even better - put a piece of steel in a collet (dedicate a collet to it), and then bore the hole inside the collet it'll be used in
preferably in whatever spindle mechanism you come up with
won't the collet be like hardened?
not if it's a steel bar that he puts a hole into
basically a reducer sleeve
stick 1/2" drill rod into a 1/2" collet, bore 1/8 to hole 1/8 shanks
sorry - thinking about holding the steel bar - put it into whatever will actually spin the bar, then bore the hole there - it reduces runout
jmk: tried emc2 lately?
how lately? not in a couple months
a few days ago ;)
and now that I've switched to BDI-4.20, can't run it on this box
that's... buggersome :)
(still have a BDI-TNG box here)
OK - leaving again - see you
SWP: you never answered, want those switches?
sure - what does the box weigh?
see ya alex
3-4 lbs. but you can't have em all anyway, I want to keep some
I'll bring the box along, you pick out what you need
OK - just wondering about weight limits on airlines
what kind of switches?
each switch is only about an ounce
see the gray panel in the middle of this pic (under the black computer) http://home.att.net/~jmkasunich/Pics/cabinet.jpg
If you get a chance, email me a rough list of what you may bring.
closer view, but most of the panel is cut off http://home.att.net/~jmkasunich/Pics/computer.jpg
yeah - they look like the switches in an Apache helicopter
the little square switches
I have about 30-50 loose ones
yep - 1/2 - 3/4 inch square lighted switches
with little labels inside
are they latching, momentary, or some of both?
swp: a rough list of what I could bring is about 1000 lines (and not complete)
the real question is what can people use
heh - well, I guess that would be too much trouble ;)
momentary (most if not all)
When do you plan on leaving?
OK - so packing on Saturday and before
All right - If I think of other stuff I'd like to scrounge from you, I'll send you a list :)
I have a mid-size pickup, so I can bring lots of crap^H^H^H^H goodies
crap! stupid ftp won't work.
Do you like Thai food?
nice and spicey.
what? you're coming up to Toronto?
I know a few good thai places.
no - shut up :)
umm... spicey red snapper.
OK - I'll be there :)
I have one computer here I'd like to find a good home for... 6U rackmount, passive backplane, 5-6 ISA slots and I think 10 PCI slots, provision for dual power supplies, room for four 5-1/4 drives
sounds like a CD/DVD duplicator to me
or something to control some complex machine that needs lots of IO cards
argh - must go finish Cinderella project
stop taunting me with free junk^H^H^H^H goodies :)
its a sickness
(the collecting of such things, not the taunting)
[18:25:42] <A-L-P-H-A> http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Highspeed_Spindle_Design_drafts/drawing3.rar
<-- k, modified spindle design.
how do you view a *.rar file?
jmkasunich, it's a compressed format.
let me redo it so people can open it.
genarts yllaer staht llwe
[18:27:51] <A-L-P-H-A> http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Highspeed_Spindle_Design_drafts/drawing3.zip
it's in DXF now.
jmk: talking suomi lately?
something strange happened with my kb for a minute there
after every key, it seemed like it did a backspace, so it moved to the beginning of the line
net result, typing backwards
lol.. almost ;)
anyone looking? caring? :D
don't have anything handy to read dxf
(would have to boot the winblows box and use easycad)
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gonna be hard to make
and I'll be holding the endmills in with a 6-32 set screw.
jmkasunich, how so?
I'd make the pulley end bearing one size smaller than the other end
the only thing hard, is the boring.
that way you can turn the seat for the first two bearings to size for a short length (only slightly longer than the bearings) then drop down 0.010 so the two bearings slip fit...
boring of the spindle.
then make another step to fit the pulley end bearing
yeah, that's another idea.
the existing design requires absolutely no taper, the entire length needs to be precisely the right length for the bearings
the hard part that I see, is the spindle bore.
make the 1/8 hole first
no, there's spacers (in yellow)
I meant diameter
the bearings should be a perfect press fit, and it's hard to maintain that over the entire length
(I guess you could neck it down a few thou between the bearings
but you'd still have to press the tool end bearings over the pulley end bearing seat
* alex_joni goes to watch a movie
anyway, about the hole
make the hole first
as accurately centered as possible
jmk: was wondering if the splash works for emc2
at least that should work on 2.6 too ;)
alex: dunno, didn't you try it?
I did ...
but there's a lot of strange machines out there :D
including one of my own.. pretty twisted
I gotta reinstall it
it's a mix of 2.4 and 2.6
pretty messed up ;)
A-L-P-H-A: after the hole is done, replace lathe tailstock center with a hardened 1/8 diameter pin
* alex_joni is off to watch The Grudge
chuck the pulley end, let the tool end run on the pin (oil well) while you machine the bearing seats
laters you guys
talk to you tomorrow
that will make the bearing seats concentric to the hole
jmkasunich, you think that'd be good enough?
that is if my tailstock is dead center.
nope, even if it isn't centered
off center tailstock could cause some small taper, but not runout
frigen poker plans are being thrown up in the air. :/
the 1/8" pin is stationary, just like a live center
runout is axial play right?
runout is wobble - hole not centered
(such that one flute cuts deeper than the other, and the whole thing tends to vibrate at high speed
by using a stationary pin as a dead center, you eliminate runout from your lathe's bearings, chuck or collet, live center, etc
* jmkasunich has been comtemplating a similar project
so shove a 1/8" ground and hardened dowel in the tail stock... (oil), and shove it all together before I flick the spindle out?
something like that... attaching the pin to the tailstock is an excersize left for the student ;-)
damn. I was hoping you were going to hold my hand.
I have some dead morse taper drills here, the taper sections aren't hardened
I was thinking of cutting off the taper from one, drill and ream 1/8 with it stuck in the headstock spindle
hmm... I'm not one that likes morse taper stuff.
maybe a setscrew to hold the dowel in, maybe just ream 0.0001" under and force the dowel in
your tailstock is MT, isn't it?
no, collet. :) W20. Swiss thing.
I have a MT2 and MT1 adapters.
lathe tailstock with collets?
swiss screw machine or something? OK, I didn't know that
I've got a live center as well...
jmkasunich, no... Schaublin 102 watch/jewellers lathe.
oh, then you probably don't need some of the tricks I've been describing
I have a ratty chinese 3-in-1, so tricks like dead centers to eliminate runout are badly needed
bootin up the win box... I'll post my spindle design in a couple mins
jmkasunich, also... I want to run the spindle like at 12K rpm.
I'm aiming for 30K
[18:55:20] <jmkasunich> http://home.att.net/~jmkasunich/Pics/spindletemp.pdf
just shows the spindle end, not the pulley end
bearings are 5/16 ID, 3/8 OD, from McMastercarr, rated at 45,000 RPM
correction, 1/4 ID
the bearing at the pulley end is 6mm ID (0.236)
so the center section of the shaft can be 0.240-0.248, no tight tolerance needed
bearing seats themselves must be near perfect of course
the retaining nut and conical sleece are brass, from a compression fitting
spindle itself would be from drill rod, maybe hardened (tradeoff - hardening might warp it)
the brass sleeve would crush down around the cutter shank to hold it
are you going for collets?
nope - only one size
the spindle itself is the purple part
so I'm going for the similar.
the hole is 0.1251 or something - very close fit on the cutter shank
why not .1250?
I guess getting it out will be a bitch.
the orange conical part is a brass compression sleeve ($0.86 each), that squeezes the cutter to hold it in
oh, so that's the collet?
jmkasunich, got the part number?
Did anybody need some HF-Spindels from Precise ????
SC51 60000rpm 1,1kW
Imperator_, free, sure.
except that the "collet" is only about 0.15" long, and the tool shank extends way past it into the hole
the accuracy comes from the hole, the "collet" simply holds it in
hm, 500EUR would be nice, but we can talk about the price
Imperator: les might be interested
les: are you arround ?
I msg him alittle earlier
i can send you some pics
Imperator_, are these new or soemthing?
15 years, or so
two fase spindle, like a stepper motor
the run on a stpper controller :-)
they run on a stepper motor controller
damn it... if I wasn't broke.
the bearings are on the end of there live, but for hobby use the will last some years more i think
jmkasunich, so, drill/ream spindle, oil, shove a pin/dowel in, machine bearing seats?
Imperator_, I'd be interested if I had cash.
400EUR are also ok
give me your mail adress, then i can send you some pics
I maybe able get away without the dowel/pin... as my machine is pretty good still.
pin must be stationary for best accuracy (for you that's easy, grab it in tailstock collet (or does the tailstock spindle spin on that lathe?)
jmkasunich, let me see if I have a picture of my lathe tailstock.
another recommendation... minimize overhang. on your design, the cutter is well out beyond the bearings
on my design, the shank of the cutter extends back thru the bearings
I was thinking that too.
you could just make your hole deeper, and cut off a little from the end
A-L-P-H-A: for a flight Munich->Washington and back it is yours :-)
what are you gonna use to hold the cutter in?
jmkasunich, was gonna use a 6-32 set screw.
makes it harder to keep things balanced
the other idea is, take a ER-16 collet system, and flick it down.
jmkasunich, yeah... I could do a set screw on opposite sides.
in that case, eliminate the skinny nose part.. run the fat part that is just above the bearings right out to the end of the spindle... more meat for setscrew threads
jmkasunich, so just a T, with a 1/8" reamed bore.
and make the nose just long enough that you can get an allen wrench on the setscrews
dunno how secure setscrews pushing from opposite sides will be
should be pretty secure... I'm learning towards a ER-16 collet, with a 1/2" shank...
grind the shank down to 25mm.
gives you a wider range of diameters
I was going for very small and lightweight, for an engraver rather than a mill
(the OD of the housing is only 1/2")
this will be for light milling of titanium, if tha'ts possible.
jmkasunich, check out DA300 collets.
I've got one, that I'm going to let go soon.
then you want to be able to use larger shanks than 1/8" I suspect
DA300 is good till 1/4".
wow, it's getting late
same here... but I have a bunch of stuff that I hauled outside to sort
need to take more outside, sort, and get it back in before dark and dinner
I feel like napping... heh
IRC is dangerous
keeps me from getting things done
jmkasunich is now known as jmk_away
'ight, lets see what's gonna happen... maybe I'll machine something when I start.
I was just out admiring my statue some more
anonimasu hi there
hey Ray what do yo usay?
* pfred1 runs the first pass on his DVD rip ...
what are you ripping?
The Butterfly Effect
it's a pretty cool movie
ashton coucher is annoying... but he was good in that movie
he's like from That 70's Show right?
yeah he doesn't bother me
I think he did really well in this movie
this ripping DVDs is so technical
my command I'm using is cheesy and it's pretty involved
mencoder -ofps 24000/1001 -oac copy -vf crop=704:464:10:4,scale=540:348 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=1 ButterflyEffect.dvd -o ButterflyEffect1.avi
doom9 is pretty Windows oriented
some Windows rips are so so but
ray: you there?
sorting thru computer stuff
can you think of anything you need
24X cdrom drives, got 3 going to the dumpster unless somebody want em
some 4.3G hard disks
video cards, network cards
I'll take the HD's.
Those are just about right for single machine installs.
I doubt anyone has use for 1G SCSI HDs
got 4 of those
I'll take the cdrom drives as well if you are about to dump them.
ok, they're yours
alpha still there?
was it a nice day up ther?
a little cool here.
hard to see the monitor...evening sun is backlighting
les: imperator was here earlier, he's selling a 1.1kW high speed spindle
Nice day here. Just beautiful
a bit small for my needs these days
Did he mention a price?
I am lookindg at about 5 kW I guess
400 euros I think
or a round trip ticket germany to emcfest ;-)
does he have some details? I can read back
What kind of tool holder?
read back some..didn't see much
but again I can hardly see the monitor right now
he didn't say much, contact him if you want more
I'm going this summer so could stow it away in the luggage.
well a i kW spindle could be useful if the rpm was really high
Right and I've got just the little router to put it on.
PCB and such
Small wall hangings and inlaid flooring.
well for v-carving you need little power but mich rpm...the center is dead
for things like turkey calls where literally tons of wood need to be turned into chips you need raw power.
Yes. Very true.
I have a line on some used perskes and colombos
I was also going to experiment with wood carving followed by wood burning.
7.5 hp- 10 hp
do you have my celtic spiral emc plaque?
No I don't. Would like it.
It makes a very nice 3-d carved plaque
ok dcc coming...
* rayh twiddles his thumbs...
and watches the bits dribble down the wire.
heh dial up
Now this is designed to really beat up emc
points .001 apart at 120 ipm
I have a lower res version too
ought to throw it on the bdi distro
Reminds me of a great like by Al Pachino in "Scent of a Woman."
"Flowin like mud around here."
anyway be back in a bit when the sun is out of my eyes
les: still here ?