Hi Paul. Getting ready for the flight?
nah... Leave that for next Thursday morning.
Spent much of today (yesterday ?) working on an interp & trying to figure out problems from Sm with minimal info.
What did SM say.
XP not on the grub menu, some problem with sync rates & Xfree86
the grub issue was most likely because they didn't add XP at the bootloader screen...
the sync rates need investigating further...
Like what resolution is being selected for the screen, and what does the monitor support...
If they are picking the highest res. the card provides, then it will kick up problems if the monitor won't do it.
remind me tomorrow, and I'll forward the questions & replies on to you.
paul_c can't use DDC senso data?
paul_c : http://pinouts.ru/data/VGA15_pinout.shtml
monitor returns 1400x1050
sound slike my laptop
usr selects 1600x1400 for screen display.
ddcprobe doesn't help.
ah, ok. Yeah, I can override DDC, and sometimes I actually do.
yeah.. thats the probe thate puked with #2 moitor
and not all mnitors support probing
I hate when I set the MAX monitor setting, then adj the resolution to highter than that... the screen scrolls and is annoying as hell.
might also have been the case
paul_c was the 1400x1050 from a laptop by chance?
dunno - All I got was a report that Xfree86 was saying sync rate out of range.
No details of hardware, no logs, nothing.
paul_cL Some KVM switches dont pass thru the DDC signals
my KVM switch wont let linux boot.. i removed it
Jymmm: Phone a garage and tell 'em your car won't start and ask them to tell you what the fault is.
really? never heard of that one
paul_c : I'm just trying to help damnit!
works fone in 'Doze boxes
dmess what brand?
SMART viev intelligent KVM
sounds pretty dumbass to me
piece a kiff as best i can tell
it is... im a dumbass
well... Time for bed.
my main kvm is blackbox, my second is linksys
there he was gone
but.... was he ever really here?!?!?!
its a mystery///
* Jymmm contacts Ripley's
need to know only... ; )
dmess do you have "Machinery Handbook" by chance?
Anyone know what the two tapers are for a Ericson/Double Angle 300 (DA300)?
A-L-P-H-A 42, the answer is 42.
no idea on the question though =)
[01:31:39] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.parlec.com/images/pdf/tol__2_angle.pdf
bottom of page1. There's a diagram. There's three tapers/chamfers. The left most is not critical. The middle, and right chamfers are. I want to know what angles they are.
call them in the morning maybe?
The right one shouldn't be critical either
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
Only the middle one, which causes the compression, should really matter
SWPadnos, the tip does too... but I "HAVE" the closing nut already. I'm remaking the extension.
Right - I just noticed that there's a closing nut there :)
hence "double" angle. :)
is that soem tool changer coolect or something?
sorry..dmess had to talk to his dad.. and yes i have machnist H/B locked up away from my son's
dmess why locked up from him?
HTEM... i have 2. hey are the masters of disaster
Jymmm collet holder for myself.
A-L-P-H-A for a tool changer?
Er300... i believe are double anded 30 degrees arent they??
no. I have the "EXT 500" from that pdf I posted. I remaking the extension, to fit my needs.
dmess so your syaing your sons are thiefing bastards and you'ld never see it again the day they set eyes on it?
dmess, I don't know. that's why I'm asking.
It looks like the two angles on the collet are the same (which makes sense), so you should make the extension have the same angle as the closing nut
the taper is so short, I don't know if it is 30 or what.
I'll look up ER300
i beliive it a straight sleeve with front and back 30 degree x abot .08" shoulder with a .2" land across the top... been a while
dmess? where did you get that info? [I can't find it anywhere]
kennametal cat somewhere...
not in Machinery's Handbook either. [but I'll check again, cause I didn't change ER300, just DA300]
fyi.. some of this shite i just remember eh''
dont ask me why
let me go find some specs..
gotta go.. gat a 12 yr old problem to reconcile...
dmess? can't find the info?
* Jymmm hands dmess a case of duct tape for his 12 yo problem
do kids come with pink slips? just give the pink slips to someone who wants it.. maybe have an acution.
A-L-P-H-A Blame Lincoln for that
all that no slavery thing
Kids should come with a manual, washing instructions...and a reciept.
anda 30 year return policy
asdfqwega, Aftermarket manuals [how to for parenting], washing instruction are included in the aftermarket manuals. reciept is the hospital bill, and birth certicate.
* asdfqwega checks for his UPC symbol
I think they have barcodes now on little kids... those braclet thingies.
well - that's annoying
You can get drawings of those collets from Kennametal
but I can't seem to import them into anything
Don't they say which format?
go to kennametal.com, and click on "cad drawings" (at the bottom right of the metalworking flash)
enter 300DA in the catalog number search box, and then pick one of the part numbers
the format is dxf, but Corel Draw, CadMax, and PartMaster all have problems with the file
SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
have a good evening SWP_Away
Right, but what about clamoing it ?
that's trickier ;)
what diameters do you want
or what range?
and also making sure the stcok is at 90 degrees
.125" - 4"
any ideea what a Six Sigma Black Belt is?
use the stuff that's on a lathe
don't know what it's called
dead/live center ?
blk belt with red strip?
Six Sigma is based upon improving processes by understanding and controlling variation, thus improving predictability of business processes.
ok, makes sense.
some kind of training
some trainging you have to attend?
somebody else has, and I wanted to see what it coveres
SOunds like some Japanese JIT methodology
yeah smthg like that
do you know LOTUS ?
Let Only The Users Suffer
Jymmm, swpados found that angle for me.
A-L-P-H-A ah, he got the drawing opened up?
I got them opened up.
I just tried now, after I went to sleep and came back
cool, what did you use?
5 hours of sleep. :)
shit, another file format to deal with. sigh
late shift last night?
yeah a bit..
been making a webpage for the company
alex_joni is now known as alex_joni_buying
not really.. too little time
alex_joni_buying is now known as alex_joni_away
it's ok :)
* alex_joni_away will be back later
alex_joni_away is now known as alex_joni
hey an0n, wb
* alex_joni is bored :)
* anonimasu is bored too
damn quiet today :)
I am trying to make myself email@example.com so I can just forward spam there to include it in my filter
but that dosent work with spamassassin..
using spamassassin ?
cause it'll filter the forwarding stuff also..
If I do it like that I need to unpack the attached message..
paul_c: what's up?
alex_joni: it has to be automatical..
got an email from another commercial guy that wanted to try emc
He siad he was going to order an STG card
I did not tell him about motenc.
I suppose I still have to consider the motenc as not proven though.
I cannot verify that is is stable and reliable like the old stg.
heh.. did you try the motenc?
nope but someone near here has
I ought to give him a call
There are several running motors on benches
but this is the only one on a machine I think.
an0n: still around?
nevermind.. done already
was wondering smthg about php, but figured it out eventually
alex_joni: maybe -OR- D) All The Above
had to use $_POST
alex_joni say what?
alex_joni : were you using register globals?
not me.. a webpage I was debugging ;)
I updated the server
so it stopped working :D
must have been an OLD server
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they were turned off LONG ago
hm, I got a mail from a guy named bj�rn..
what does he want?
asking me what I did to get rid of my problem :)
and if I had any experience with emc..
what was your problem (in short) ?
lack of knowledge *g*
some RTFM did wonders
beats large quantities of stupidity
nope, the trouble is that if you switch to relative the mdi mode is still in absolute..
and that it somtimes switced while running a program..
err while stopping a program and then running a mdi command..
oh that's nice...... NOT
oh, I just start in absolute always now
it's not a issue if you know it..
that kinda sucks too.... sorta kinda
but I assume that emc should always be in the mode I set it to if I set it manually if my programs dosent change it..
so it's both a luser problem and a interface problem..
* Jymmm does
Let Only The User Suffer
how's weather up there an0n?
and pretty watrm
no more snowboarding heh?
although I havent been able to ski for a while even when it's been snow
had a bad winter
yeah.. same here... I didn't get the chance to ski for what I would have wanted to
work takes all time
I wanted to have a array of pointers..
in a memory object...
well, I'll encapsulate the objects instead..
dosent matter but a array would have been neat
* anonimasu slaps the plc
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
* alex_joni goes home
I see you got the collet info - that's cool
SWPadnos, yeah. I got the info. need to buy some metal to make it... horray for metal store... it'll probably cost me $5 for two feet of steel... they always charge me $5...
heh - grab two and see if it's still $5 :)
need an M11x1.25 die to make the collet as well. :)
SWPadnos, it will be.
only time I get charged more, is if something significant... or new uncut stock.
I'm usually picking out of the off cuts.
shit, I'm wearing white too.
that's my trick as well - $0.45 - $0.50/pound
fack... do I change into jeans? or just be careful?
Just get the whites dirty, and you won't have to worry about it any more
seeing stupid girls today.
If they cancel on me today, again, I'm gonna not talk to them for a while.
tell them the pants are supposed to have that greasy streak (like ripped knees)
i'm a little preppy... they knew better. they're stupid, but not that stupid. :)
I actually think one of them maybe smarter than me... but definitely not the other two.
Well - I gues sit's jeans and gloves then
oh! latex gloves. Good call.
and some old bags for the trunk.
it's a real bummer - large-ish tapping heads are pretty darned expensive
SWPadnos, what sizer?
Looking at the Tapmatic 70X or 70TC/DC - I need to tap various NPT sizes
I already have a 30TC/DC, so the #10 - 5/8 or 3/4 range is good
I bought a 1-9/16" tap... cost a $55USD shipped... I was quoted like $200CDN + taxes locally.
ebay not so good these days - $300 is the lowest I see for the size I need
MSC = $800 or more
mcsdirect price competes.
travers = $760
SWPadnos: have you tried threadmilling?
nope = I'm not sure it would work, since the bore is pretty small (relative to the thread)
[13:14:29] <anonimasu> http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-threadmilling.htm
hm, how small`
I think there are tiny threadmills
well - a 1/4 NPT thread is 18TPI, and a 7/16 hole (I think - it may be 9/16)
hm I have no clue in mm
there should be threadmills small enough
this would be roughly M12-1.25
you should check into it :)
I think I prefer the speed of tapping though
M12x1.25 is one of the fine series - generally, non-preferred
That was just my approximation of 1/4-18 NPT
Looking it up, it's .49" (12.5mm) x 18 TPI, so it's even better for threadmilling
but a tapper would be way faster, I imagine
SWPadnos: that depends on your mill..
paul_c: You around?
I am going to try threadmilling someday soon
Bridgeport with 2HP head
if your mill can keep feeds/speeds..
err feed.. that is..
the servos will be able to keep up (28 in-lb with 2: 1 drive)
hm, try it then :
one day, when I actaully atatch the servos to the machine, I will :)
nonetheless - the threadmills from carbidedepot were in the $hundreds each
hm, the smaller the hole the better with taps..
yep - and 1/2 inch is pretty small in this context
if you'r tapping > 4" threadmilling is a must ;)
I'll remember that the next time I build a Submarine :)
lol.. 4" taps are over 500�
[13:56:59] <anonimasu> http://www.seagategrinding.com/PRICES/threadmills.html
I think that's the prices
oh yeah - the 4"-8 tap is $607.91 at MSC
that seagategrinding price is for sharpening, not the tap itself ;)
I should check out what a seco threadmill costs..
or a dormer one..
well, I'm off to meet up with people I don't particularly really want to meet up with. horray. my day just got a little more gloomy. stupid girls.
woohoo - my new supply discharge resistors just arrived
screwdrivers are good for discharging big caps.
if you have an automated screwdriver-inserter :)
I'm not sure I'd want to be around for dual 17000 uF caps at 85V discharging through a screw driver
what value of resistor did you get?
two types: 10 ohm 95W, and 6.8 ohm 220W
I hope you don't intend to put 85V across either of those
if you do, you'll have a big surprise.
intermittent duty, so the extra 500 watts is OK :)
(these are big wirewould resistors)
so they only are in circuit after you turn it off?
They'll be connected by a variant of Mariss' load dump circuit
so only on overvoltage (motor decel) and powerdown (when the supply is higher than the line)
I need a bit of help with xp linux dual boot -- anyone?
I can sort of help on the Linux side, but I'm totally non-XP-centric :)
This is grub and 4.20
xp is the first partition
OK - did you enter the XP partition info during the "Boot Manager Configuration" when installing 4.20?
looking @ the grub menu, yes.
heh - you seem to have a little more info than I :)
(in more ways than one, on this subject)
I found a howto that may help.
rayh: If at all possible, keep linux and XP on separate harddrives
* paul_c needs coffee...
I'm linux-centric myself, and in times past it has caused me great annoyance to have to restore the XP boot loader
restore boot loader == re-install XP :P
you're an expert at XP & grub then !
Microsoft Tech Support: "The brakes are shot - you'll have to get a new car"
Not so much an expert with grub...although I'm starting to like it more than lilo
Can i defer to you then.
XP is the first partition --. rootnoverify (hd0,0)?
That is what I've gathered so far.
I haven't seen the rootnoverify term before
My debian Sarge simple uses 'root'
Okay. I've seen both.
and the chainloader +1, makeactive lines
So what does it do when you try to boot XP?
Don't know yet. Still trying to set the file the first time.
"[rootnoverify is s]imilar to `root', but doesn't attempt to mount the partition" -- "info grub"
In previous days it was kicking up some pages of info and then falling back to grub.
I'm on a KVM switch with Mandrake (this) and my debian systems - info grub is two clicks and 15 seconds away
Slooowly moving all my stuff over to Debian
Tried info grub here and it doesn't show much at all.
Must be limited info in the bdi.
Thanks for the xp help
Morning here, but the sentiment's the same. :)
I typically wait a few minutes before jumping into the channel conversation, just to be polite.. but it doesn't seem to be that busy.
I'm investigating the possiblity of using emc in an industrial robotic application.
reckon "Morning" would put you somewhere in Montana...
Actually, St. Louis. It's about 10 to Noon here.
Still technically morning. :)
geography was never one of my strong points..
Sadly, I wasn't chosen as the guy to develop this idea because of my skills in CNC and motion control, but rather because I'm the guy "who figures things out".. so here I am.. figuring.
So what sort of robot had you in mind ?
I'll have questions, but I'm going to read the handbook and other doc before I plunge in.
it's an inventory storage and retreval system.
Nooo... No one reads the docs.
basically, a robotic picker will pull/put pallets off a grid of shelves.
the software side I've got a good handle on, I'm currently trying to figure out how I'm to interface the steppers and the parrellel port.
google around for NIST and "Flying carpet"
I know it should go to a translator/controller, but I'm still fuzzy on what exaclty that is and does.
NIST did some work on a cable operated hexapod for materials handling...
'pending on the loads involved, I don't think steppers are going to be powerfull enough..
Wow. that's wild looking.
You found it ?
multicable crane. nifty
Not anything like what we're doing, but still pretty cool.
An intermediate solution to wimpy steppers would be servos with
You can keep the parport that way.
Well, I don't think the motors themselves are going to be the problem. Creative gearing and enginerring should be able to overcome that.
that's not my problem.. yet, anyway.
How heavy are the loads?
It isn't as if you need sub-micron accuracy
top end is 300lbs.
* paul_c has an image of NEMA17 steppers geared up to haul 150Kg loads....
at 1IPM :)
1 inch per month ?
yep - max rapid
1 Industrial Pallet / Month
Hrrmmm... Wonder how many bulbs that would be..
Wasn't it 572?
What huh? What joke did I miss?
goes back a month or two...
A (too) long joke about discussion of changing light bulbs on an internet forum
SWPadnos: Do you have a URL rather than pasting the whole lot again ?
I think it was either yesterday or the day before, logger_aj should have it
just change the date, when you have a lot of free time :)
Well, I'm having a meeting with the lead on the project this afternoon to discuss the motors themselves.
I'll know more about it after that.
I'm hoping if this works out, we'll have some good stuff to contribute back to the community.
Well... EMC is modular enough that you can use just the RT motion and plug your own interface in
or you could use G-Codes...
I'll be developing our own interface for it. Probably going to use an LCD touchscreen or something like it.
out of curiosity, can you have non-coordinated moves now?
I don't have anything right now. I'm still figuring out what direction to go.
as in command a multi axis move
and have each axis run independantly ?
no - as in command individual axes, without affecting any motion on the other axes
You can command a single axis move
but that assumes the others are at rest
well, I'm off for lunch. Thanks for the convo. I'm hoping to have more intellegent questions later.
* paul_c looks at a map of E. USA...
Hmm... St. L. isn't far from DC
remember the scale of the US :)
lol. Only about 24 hours drive time.
one thumb = 100 miles..
one thumb across, or lengthwise? ;)
Don't forget...if you press your thumb flat, it adds 40 miles
and if you accidentally hit it with a hammer the day before you look at the map, it adds another 37 miles :)
804 miles gburg to stl
A day's drive...
Most is freeway so 65+mph
12 hours or so each way
* anonimasu nods
Do you need to install rtai with bdi-4.18, or is it done already? I played around with patching a 126.96.36.199 kernel with the latest stable rtai patch, but can't seem to emc to run. Do I need to be concerned about creating rtai kernel, or is it already done?
All the BDI disks come with a prepatched and compiled kernel.
kjensen: IMO the BDI is the only way to do one of these unless you really need some other distro in order to handle some special other software.
time to go and burn some food
Heh... Escape From Alcatraz (1979)
another busy day interviewing people :)
this bloke was actually OK, which is a bit of a shock
These days, it always is
robin_sz Hire Me, I can make your life a livign hell, just for the fun of it!
it'll keep you on your toes
Yeah, so the noose don't tighten too much
the general idea is that they make my life easier, and i give them money
if they make my life a living hell, the money supply will be cut.
its the only way
robin_sz no fun in that =)
Jymmm: loads of fun
Jymmm: you could always work for my mate Andy, He'll employ you.
robin_sz: No, no, you missed the point... I want to work for YOU, so I can give you a hard time =)
ISTR the last "troublesome" employee was persuaded to leave by the simple tactic of filling his har with water :)
its OK, I'll bring in Andy as "staff management consultant"
robin_sz I'll get him on my side =)
robin_sz: laser it.
you really really had to be there ...
I remember one rep was a bit "troublesome" .. pushy, you know?
really trying the hard sell ...
and being quite "aggressive" ... then they pointed out that his briefcase was just on the conveyor entering the pwder coat oven ...
robin_sz did you REALLY fill a car with water?
Andy did .. to, I forget who exactly, some employee they wanted rid of.
not full, but you know, sloshing around inside
you been watching too much benny hill I think
feel free to phone him up and ask him
I believe ya, just had to ask =)
actually, he just went bankrupt, so thats him done for a year then
your mate andy?
hes not that sad about it
its a lotf stress, but it wipes the slate clean
bankrupcy must be a pain..
it's a failure.. and how do you feel when you cant pay your debts?
the factor company took the view that it was hard to get the money in from the invoices he factored ...
so they said theyd prefer to sue him for it than make the effort to chase the customers
(which is what they were supposed to do)
they made no effort to contact any of the customers
who (unsuprisingly) made little effort to pay
so, when they issued a summons for 60K, he rang them up and laughed at them ...
* anonimasu is reading some cnczone
they sued, got a judgment ..
and .. he went banco ... except he has no assets .. so they get .. nothing.
well, it was stupid of them to give up on the customers.
you know how factoring works?
you give invoice to bank
bank give you money - 10%
bank supposed to chase customers for money
if the customers really really wont pay, the bank gives you back the invoice, you give them back their money
oh well, I didnt know banks over here mostly get people to pay..
but they made ZERO effort to chase the customers at all
yeah, thats how its supposed to work
theses idel fscks thought "it will be easier to sue him and have his house than chase the customers" ...
hm, that seems strange..
it sounds like that's in russia
yeah, me too.
except this is Lloyds TSB in the UK
oh well, he stuffed em for 60K in the end,
hm, over here you could sue them for not completing their part of their contract with the customer..
[20:14:07] <anonimasu> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=75517#post75517
* anonimasu yawns
Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
im readin Catia documentations
catia is french?
designed by Dassault systemes...of AIRBUS & Concord fame... out of France
dmess hey there
same stuff different week
different week different shite for me..
how can i chk the transfer rate of an upload??
dmess how is it being uploaded?
to see what im actually pulling thru the pipe
yes but OK you serving or the client?
it'll say when it's done
when the transfer is complete it'll give a KB/s
Who else here is using Chatzilla on Windows?
ohh.. she just come up...with 127 kB/s... or so
* pfred1 listens to the crickets ...
that's good xfer
dmess watches te grass grow..
yeah I'm watching the grass grow too and it's got me more than a little concerned here
because i got no way of mowing it!
get a goat...
[23:14:32] <pfred1> http://188.8.131.52:10000/new/Multimedia/PicsITook/Delaware/10th/p4110020.jpg
I'd need a herd
I'm supposed to be getting a tractor off a guy i know but he's dicking me around
so get dairy moow cows and have milk too
I told him no rush like a month ago
well now it's getting to the critical stage!
NEVER say no rush to a farmer..
when i go back in 2 weeks I'll need a machete to find the place
he's no farmer
hmm U/L seemes STALLED....
but i still have transfer??
im gonna lose the CD drive before i finish this u/l.... 1 %
you're uploading off a CD drive?
it was a spurr a the moment ...lets try it like this and see if i can... and i can... ; )
1000 of 29000 files complete... mayge i should just abort.. and flush