* pfred1 tries to decide if this desktop background he just made is cool or not ...
who wants some gearhead desktop wallpaper?
Gearhead? Is that a rock band?
no it's a type of person
Sorry, I prefer etchi desktop wallpaper
itchy and scratchy?
Well, it definately scratches a certain itch...
asdfqwega what's it like henati?
sorta, but without the tentacles
etchi == lechery, hentai == perverted
well sometimes i make erotic desktops too but not animated stuff
when CNN runs a story about some hot slapper and i google them and get a buncha pics ...
* asdfqwega guesses what 'slapper' means
[gripe] I really need to move my stuff off of Mandrake and onto my debian systems.. [/gripe]
out of the frying pan and into the fire?
I've got a laser printer hooked up by a USB adapter, and Mandrake sometimes loses track of it
yeah i don't believe in USB
I've tried everything, but only a reboot gets it back
not unloading and reloading the module?
USB isn't that bad, for HID and low speed stuff
Heck, the best device I have is a USB flashstick
yeahI wish I had one of those
pfred1: You can get a 256MB one for about $25, if you shop around
Beats the hell out of floppies
oh i just want one to read my camera memory stick
make getting pics off it easier
for storage I use well HDDs or CDs or maybe tapes
someday I'll get a DVD burner but I still don't know about them yet
Both my brothers have DVD burners, they work great
I'm not saying what's out there today doesn't work but just that I think things are ocming that will work better
I don't want to get stuck with the betamax
And my mother is into photography, so she has the memory stick adapters - which I've tried under linux, and they work really well
There's always something looming on the computer horizon
And I think it's Microsoft :(
And UN regulation of the internet :(
And e-patents :( :( :(
CD burners taught me patience pays off
How so? Faster is not better, or waiting for better linux support?
well when I bought a CD burner i paid like $400 for a 6X drive
then when it finally died I bought another drive for $40 that totally kicks it's ass
evne on a good day
Yeah, my first CD burner was on a Gateway2000 system
before I started using linux
I had to have it replaced 4 times under warranty
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oh wait lilo is just screwing around
he should have waited until things were really busy
yeah or at least until April 1st
if you wanna know how to do an April Fools', ask Holl from Red Dwarf :)
Red Dwarf rocks!
SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
hm, I should compensate for my lack of power with more speed.
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just coying a deb mirror...
how many cd's ? ;)
woody, sarge, & sid for i386
how many DVDs ?
all of them.
I reckon there are a few :D
Then I need to rsync with a main mirror.
wahooo... 16Gig of data to copy
how's your link? is it up to 16 Gig?
transfering across the internal n/w...
ahh.. ok then
awfully quiet today
Good moning to all.
can you believe ive been waiting 3 weeks for an MCI motherboard
what kind of CUSTOMER service is that
use a local supplier...
then you can beat the crap out of them when things go wrong.
was a warrenty jobber.. on the wifes video conference box
how many local suppliers are left in your area paul?
just a clusterfl*ck
didn't do business with them yet?
or how did they survive?
well the shop ive used comfortably in the past DROPPED them.. i couldnt get a reason yet..
the manager changes evry couple of months...
keep them on their toes...
When I have a complaint, I take it to the top level management rather than the low level oiks
what does linux recognize the HYPER-THREADING chips as ... 2 cpu's??
should see it as a P4
Dmess: because it is.
I assume you me why rather than what.
yes... p4 - HT though win2k sees dual cpu
so does linux
sees 2 cpu..
but most likely the BDI kernel isn't compiled SMP
and I'm not sure that RTAI is SMP safe
nevyn: Look at the source - RTAI runs fine on SMP platforms
which file was the stepping type... table.ini???
which version of EMC are you using ?
if you run generic.run (or emc.ini if it's emc.run)
the live one currently
The one on the BDI-4 disk has had quite a few changes.
long story ...its on my sons box cause the wifes got mine..lallaalaa
any one here fly unpowered aircraft for kick's??
the odd Airbus A320 or 727
Dmess: does a kite count? :))
sure... we fly traction kites.. land sea or snow..
hang and para gliders as well... sailplanes are WAY to expensive for this boy
the max spindle rpm I have is 4200 although at that rpm my gearbox sounds funny..
I brought a tacho off work..
and what speed is it really running at ?
the max spindle rpm that I can run is 4200..
I measured it..
I am considering taking a airtool and using it instead..
but that rpm should be plenty shouldnt it?
it makes sense..
or 2300 or somthing..
I cant remember
an air spindle will use a lot of air
hm, I think I am short on air then..
if I am going to do that I'll need to move the mill to work instead..
I guess I'll just let my machining take 60 minutes..
hey paul I was just talking to these guys:
[15:09:47] <les> http://www.glentekcnc.com/WebApplication2/Default.aspx
and they are coming over...we mat join up here to do some stuff
They need some software help too
and....They have been playing with Pauls BDI
hm, 0.5mm deep cuts I wonder if that'll be too much
you will find out soon
* anonimasu finds it a bit scary
0.05 mm feed per tooth..
Dmess finds it funny..
is that too high?
if I take light cuts..
may be too light.. you wont clear the chip
no sounds reasonable if you have the kW
and I dont have the kw hence the reason I cant do large Z stepdowns..
0.5mm of Z per pass..
les: Gottal love their address
play with the 600nn...
you have coolant??
I got air to clear the chips..
throw some varsol on it once in a while.. alu likes to stick to the tool and all of a sudden your trying to cut with a dowel
micro adhesion is a precursor to catastrophic failure
hm 49min for a part..
if it will cut without killing my machine..
sooner or later you gotta push cycle start
yeah just need to export it and head out to the machine..
what are you programming with??
Any relationship between GlentekCNC and Glentek (servo amps)?
moving to the machine instead.
Hi Paul. Sorry was off reading.
I'm finding a rather consistent problem with a couple of the kde aps.
I suspect that they work fine on the version of kde you've got on the BDI.
it went find half the hole then it clogged up
which ones ?
might have been because my endmill got clogged before..
konqueror and kate/kwrite.
so I think it's dull from when I removed the gummy alu from the flutes..
It is possible that one of the base libs didn't get updated... That would cause problems.
I had to upgrade a lib or two for designer and for a couple of other things I added.
I saw some kind of error messages when konqueror segfaulted.
Something about gcc 2.95 libs v 3.2 libs.
gonna have to do you a full set of CDs to play with..
I wonder if this would be fine with a larger tool and coolant..
Okay. I'm casting about trying to figure out what to do to recover 4.18.
Ran ldconfig with no effect.
Konqueror will start as root.
It will even start sudo
can you remember which libs got updated ?
I can try to find them.
Quick fix is to clear out the cache, remove all but the CDROM line from apt's sources.list
and use synaptic to reinstall the libs.
That will break designer.
On another note.... Found the root of Jon's problem...
What is going on -- uh -- at the software level.
He's looking at the wrong sources (probably HEAD of emc2)
That would do it.
When I get annoyed, my responses range from blunt to down right rude.
hm, should I dare to run with a 4flute 8mm cutter..
you don't say :)
Blunt is good.
I have air blowing away all chips..
I apologise if they have caused you any offense.
(not me, but I'm highly perceptive :) )
No offense, just worry.
anonimasu: Seems to me that four flute is the wrong way to go.
rayh: I dont have any large 2 flute ones..
I have slotdrills but thoose will cause me to lower the feed more..
If you are getting alum stuck
If it wasn't due to the flight being paid for, I was > < far from skipping the codeFest and going off on other projects.
Can you mix a bit of wd40 or similar with the air you get down into the pocket.
hm, not easily..
I have a ejector pump but it's at 2l/min
Peck with hand application
and for 40 minutes of running that's 80 litres of fluid..
That's gonna leave a mark all round the shop.
hm, 0.017 chipload on the 2 flute cutter..
anonimasu: You need a suds pump.
hand app for 40 min won't work either...
unless you've got's lots more patience than I have.
I dont.. :/
hm, I wonder how to solve this really
paul_c: You are needed badly at codeFest.
if you have any good ideas please tell me them :)
anonimasu: Rig up a drip feed into the pocket
soluble oil & water will do...
and increase the feedrate.
and get endmills made for cutting aluminum
ahh poop... my 4.18 install.. says LI
paul_c: I still favor reducing the number of tags in CVS
Odd - it uses Grub by default, not LILO
i said grub .. but it had a lilo on before..
the LI at boot tells me that LILO is still installed in the boot sector
I'm at a loss though about how to clean up.
I suppost that will be one of the major tasks at fest.
can have a go at deleting tags...
The alternative is to submit a tarball to SF to replace the entire tree.
Yes it is. And I would favor a BDI module.
It was almost easier back in the old billion ifdef days.
uh -- scratch that --
It was easier for a visual persion like me to see how it fit together.
I'm certain that it was much more difficult for a coder
To a certain extent, #ifdefs could be used...
But there comes a point when they are a pita
like, when you start implementing logic changes with them
gotta go - Food..
I'll be around for a while today.
* anonimasu yawns
well since my friend got busy I have nothing else to do then to mill my part..
when cranking my mill by hand, I found that it got way easier to mill through the aluminum when I increased the feedrate
hm, got any idea what feedrate that is?
it had been a little difficult, but it ended up cutting like butter when I went a little faster
I was going around 10 IPM
but that was with a 1.5" 6 flute rougher
remember - my spindle speed was very low compared to yours
I think I was cutting at around 200 RPM
hm, I wonder if I should increase the feed or decrease the feed and gear down the spindle..
but I was spraying tri-cool on the part as I cranked
that dosent really help me :/
gear down if you can and get the chip load up to .005-.008" per flute
drop your rpm to 2000
but get as low a gear as possible for bettor torque
I'll mill with the 8mm slotdrill.
start at 12 ipm and should cut nice around 18
what aluminum is it?? 60XX
gummy crap... gotta break the chip wiyh feedrate...
yuck... I got gummies when tapping aluminum; gawd that was a pita
in gummy like that use a forming tap... no chips to clean out either
Dmess: if I keep that feed it's 800mm/min
ok.. so whats the problem... drop the rpms though..
Dmess: Heh... this was a cordless drill and cheap HW store taps... went to two flute from the machine supply and some tapping fluid and all was good in the world =)
HW taps...novel concept..
Dmess like home depot
i understand... thats where the car-penters get their tools... ; )
Dmess alright alright... dont have to get hostile now! =)
not hostile... i just hate WOOD..
wood isn't THAT bad, just metal is better =)
0.1mm per cut in chipload..
im wood retarded... i could build a house outta titanium... but dont look at my back deck..
I wonder if it'll be allright..
not bad ..turn it up till the chips are breaking nicely..
I should order some roughing cutters for alu..
where are you located
it'll be gh�ring or dormer ones..
I'll be back in 40 minutes if this goes well.
if I still can type
keep fingers away from rotating tools..
Hey, this is pretty good:
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
* paul_c can think of a few presidents that could do with one or more of those...
well time to hit "RUN"
just dont hit "WALL" =)
I geared it down..
I still get 2600rpm
I found a wd40 can.
anonimasu: Got Lighter?
it smells nice ;)
well kamikaze time.-
I could take more Z..
why not... nothing extreme there
I am taking 0.06 per pass.
A new(ish) face...
* paul_c hasn't been knighted.... Yet.
paul_c wenches can't be knighted!
it mills nicely..
* paul_c aims a hard kick at Jymmm's.....
although a tad bit too much plunge feed..
plunge about 6-8 ipm
I will be building a high speed head someday soon..
* Jymmm feels the love from paul_c
I'd break my z..
anonimasu: Heh, I'm still trying to figure out a head for tapping
it lifts from the table now..
jymm rigid tapping is your friend..
anonimasu I still dont get that
wil emc rigid tap...
you adapt your speed and feed to match your threads..
thats NOT rigid tapping...
hm, what is rigid tapping then?
rigid tapping will allow you to peck tap...
yeah but in the bottom of the hole you reverse the spindle and fed it back up..
the prindle and the Z axis are tied to one amother it NEEDS a servo spindle with encoder
you program Z and the spindle stays synced at the pitch of your thd.
a tapping head seems simpler
if you rigid tapped 10 holes the thd start should ALWAYS be in the same place in relation to the center
Jymmm: or you can threadmill..
find a tap-matic that allows you to use a g83 feed in feed out and has a reversing gear in the tapping head
* anonimasu hugs the 2flute cutter cautiously so he dosent cut himself..
jymm you mill threads with helical interpolation..
anonimasu on a lathe?
in 1 rev with the right tool..
on a mill
anonimasu I STILL dont get it, but I'm talking on a cnc router
we did m5 x 18mm .. drill tap tool.. 7 sec. per hole..
you can still do taht..
as long as you have xy and z..
anonimasu with or without a tapping head?
anonimasu there is no reverse on the spindle though
you wont need that for threadmilling.. I think
tap-matic.. spins in 1 dir... tool reverses..
it's just the movement that makes the threads..
anonimasu then how do oyu remove the tap from a hole?
small stuff to thd mill
Jymmm: there's no tap there's a threadmilling cutter..
our m5 was for a FORD project were seconds count as do tool pockets
anonimasu haven't you figure this out yet... I'm clueless here =)
figured what out?
threadmilling... google for it :)
I'll look somthing up once I get inside again..
Dmess: so you think I could have a stepdown of 2mm instead?
2mm -2.5 shouldnt be a problem now that youve got some BALLS
right cutter.. and more torque.
yup.. best aluminum cutters ive ever seen is hanita varimill
or international minicut
you can get a roostertail of chips coming out on a 50 HP machine
* robin_sz has spent a day playing with a press
dirty smelly one??
mmm, nice one
robin_sz so, how much can YOU press now... 300 lbs?
mmm, do you have to do that?
heh 14 minutes per part..
I can live with that.
nice to have presses bolted down and leveled... since sometimes they tend to wanna walk slowly...
Anon .. now cut it..
I just need to post it..
mmm, this is a pressbrak, a bender if you like, not a SLAM BAMN thumping press
a folder ...
i see..or not..
[18:52:34] <robin_sz> http://www.jahotec.fi/promecam.htm
mine is very similar to that one
except I have a CNC backguage and lightguards :)
i have some friends who manufactur cnc back guages for them..
simple task really
the control is the complex part
the mechanics are a cinch
hard to justify a pc based back guage
the control is fairly complex
so is EMC
but pcs are so cheap these days why reinvent the wheel
bendig controls are not simple once you do 2 axis
why do I bother reading news today?
April fools jokes, Pope is dead,....
another batch of US service men returning in body bags...
Soon we'll be back to hearing about michael jackson every f-ing day
Quite depressing really...
I got my hole milled
* anonimasu throws chips at everyone
people is dead? or dying?
how deep a cut??
the plunge is the heavy part..
spriral cut in! :)
or peck it out
anonimasu. sure sure... there won't be a next time. :)
yes alpha ..new concept??
you think I'll do with only a pressure gauge in my car?
anonimasu, will you?
I am machining now
I just hope I made the contouring at the right side of the edge ;)
anonimasu, take pictures. pause what you're doing... grab a digital cam... and snap a couple of photos.
I dont have any at home now
any? pictures? cameras? where's the part now?
on the table..
I got the contouring pass running in 3 secs..
need help with limit switches
paul-c are you out there
This is your long lost bud from Smithy
suspected as much ;)
I am trying to set up a router and I need to know what I need for setting up the limit switches
I am going to either use prox or snap and need some help on how to do the wiring
Still using freqmod ?
I really dont know yet I havent gotten that far yet
The ini was the last thing I was going to mess with
segmentqueue is neat.
I am using steppers with geckos
*puts on a black sabbath record*
OK... So you will be running freqmod and using the parallel port.
yes most definately
[19:34:04] <paul_c> http://emc.sourceforge.net/Handbook/node22.html http://emc.sourceforge.net/Handbook/node21.html
will this gibe me some sort of diagram for wiring?
It will show which pins on the parallel port get used for home & limit switches.
I see the pinout connections but what do I need to go into the pins and how does emc handle it.
Would suggest wiring the switches in parallel, using the NO contacts
arrange them to switch to ground when closed
From what I have been able to gather so far if I put a 5 volt signal through the limit switch pin and then to ground the limit and home switches work
hm the plunge is at 250mm/min..
hm, works out though..
paul_c: thanks for all your help!
One sec tony
and everyone else also!
[19:40:57] <paul_c> http://www.lmwatts.com/cnc.html
has a schematic, but this is for an STG card with servos
Darn... Was hoping Matt had a diagram on his web site.
Am I right in putting 5v to the pin 13 and then to ground to make them operate properly
hm, I dont think you should have 5v..
not local gnd
5V O----\/\/\/\/\/\/\/---0--------o/------O GND
gnd sent from the control
or 24v sent from the control
NO Keep 24V out of the parport !
makes no differecne from a signals point of view
ugh .. parport
wiring the switches to a relay with 24 volts. Then relay makes when one of the prox switches makes. Then what
personally. Id opto-isolate the whole plot
Connect one of the relay contacts between pin13 & 25 on the parport
25 is ground right?
and perhaps a 470R resistor from pin13 to +5V
pin 25 is ground, yes.
what does the resistor do
It provides a little more current for the relay contact to switch...
always wet cour contacts
damn this typing is hard
Unless you have a relay rated for v. low current, it may not work quite as expected.
paul_c (diode across coil contact) ?
I will have a 24v power supply to run out to the prox and back to the relay. the relay will operate with 24 volts and send what is needed out the other side. The other side is what I am concerned with and knowing how it works.
I looks to me that if I run 5v out the other side to pin 13 and 25 I will be on the right track?
Ground to 25
Can you email me a note & I'll send you a quick scetch
IRC is no good for diagrams..
Yes what is your e-mail. I don't have it since I was canned from smithy
damn meter company..
the meter is 25...
which is true.
except for the little casting imperfections.
I gave them 0.03..
it slides in..
and then it locks up the last 0.4mm
[20:10:14] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/mnt01.jpg
what's how it ended :)
anonimasu, and how long did that take?
anonimasu, looks good from the fuzy images. :)
but I am finishing it now..
just trammed my new vise inplace..
Ill show the completed one in a bit..
* Jymmm REALLY needs to find a great email client one of these years
I still like outlook... but I'll give evolution a try, once I figure out how to import outlook data to evolution
gmail is NOT a email CLIENT
yes it is.
explain to me how it doesn't not show your email?
A-L-P-H-A doesn't do IMAP
it can gather your pop3 accounts too.
so all the other email clients out there that don't do imap aren't email clients?
folders are labels.
REAL folders, not tagging something
Jymmm, your statement is incorrect.
Jymmm, it is an email clien. Just one that you don't accept.
ant not available OFFLINE
admit that you're wrong, and you'll sleep better tonight. :)
A-L-P-H-A goont goo goo
* A-L-P-H-A hands Jymmm a pacifier.
I need more tea
* cradek needs some popcorn
cradek hey, how did you make that TTF utility you have?
cradek: Heh, I mean how to you "access" the vector portion of TTF fonts?
cradek oh so you just hooked into it that way?
yes - have a look at the source!
cradek: Like I would would what I'm looking at.
cradek: what else does FreeType give you access to?
it's pretty simple except for dealing with the storage of the vectors.
Jymmm: the other big part of it, which I don't use at all, is a scanline converter (rasterizer)
I would think it be easier to store vectors
it does store the vectors, but in a way that uses as little space as possible, at the expense of clarity
cradek Yeah, I always see TTF used as raster (sucks)
well it's what you want on your screen, so that's how it tends to work.
my program is much better than those others that do it the raster way.
cradek bullpucky, gimme vector anyday
I meant: your monitor displays rasters. typically, Freetype is used to render to your monitor.
clearly vectors are what we want for cnc, rasters for monitors.
cradek: I hear ya, I would much rather have vector and reserve raster for images.
I fight raster far too much when if comes to text.
so have you used it (my program TTT)?
cradek Not yet, I will though. Need to build my machien first.
cradek btw... A bug WILL find me within 15 minutes too.
cradek Whenever I use a new graphics related program, I dont' find bugs, bugs find me and within 15 minutes on average.
I don't think TTT is complex enough to have unseen bugs.
cradek I hope not, but we'll see =)
murphy is a dead man when I catch him
well, if you find one, rest assured that I don't care and you'll have to fix it yourself.
cradek It's MUCh easier to whine about it and you fix it just to shut me the fsck up =)
paul_c are you still out there
robin_sz: Fine... I ordered samples of the N series
good lad :)
ask him to toss in some W sample he had laying around too, just to get an idea.
N tolerance is like .1 or .01 though
anyone know how to rewrite the MBR on a drive...
using nix or DOS ?
fdisk /mbr for dos
i seem to have LILO stuck in MBR and therefore GRUB on boot partition isnt even getting seen...
nothing.. been trying to get linux on it for a while
ill dos it
youve installed grub ?
if you have lilo already on it (or at one time), DOS fdisk wont fix it; try a knoppix cd
grub should do it ..
make sure youve told grub the right device ...
knoppix... as in the live BDI???
wich is the smaller boot partition it created .. right??
fdisk /mbr returned a prompt... @ reboot it said missing operating system... instead of LI
so i think its either gooder .. or FUBAR'd
mark a partition active
doesnt the BDI do that??
this meter mount weighs too much
you need to rescue the root image, and re-install the bootloader, be it grub or lilo
cant i just overwrite it??
Im thinking the live version will work if at the boot prompt, you use rescue root=/dev/hdX where X is the partition you installeed the / partition, once its booted, it will be using the kernel off the cdrom, and you will have access to the installed file system, from there you can re run either grub or lilo
im not concerned about saving anything other than the drive...
why re-install, that is a valid option, but it may not necessarly fix the problem, the boot loader on a shared os drive, needs to be on the mbr of the drive, both lilo and grub can boot a windows partition.
or another loader needs to know the location of the linux loader of choice, if you just want to save the drive, then rescue the install, and check the grub or lilo configuration
that's how it ended up
yeah but I am not too happy with it..
I milled the edges \
but when I flipped the piece to mill a flat they got uneven..
so I had to rescue it..
I need to facemill a bit more off it..
so it'll be lighter then it's now
anonimasu why are you making a cup holder?
Jymmm: it's a meter mount not a cup holder.
anonimasu turn it over... it's now a cupholder for your car
or an egg cup...
* anonimasu sighs
it looks like a mount of some sort and pretty good
although.... It could be a meter pod.
gun sight mount?
gezr: a meter mount for my car
oh its going to hold your ash tray :)
oh oh oh I know... it's a sex chair accessory mount!
I have to go now
Jymmm: I told you what it is stop speculating already :p
Jymmm: I can make one for your sex-chair.. if you want..
anonimasu na, got 12 laready
ok bbl - need to wipe this hdd!
Everyone have a nice weekend!
6PM is bedtime?
yeah that's late nite
minimess hey dmess
hi wife booted me off my box...LOL
You have the root apsswd ?
well it's her job
i made a frisbee outa my 4.2 d/l
that good huh?
reminds me of when I made the first embedded Linux distro with Rdhat 5.0
I threw that CD so hard it "embedded" itself into the wall!
winblows box.. she could fry the ide for all i care but dont dare plug in the scuzzi
I like IDE anymore lost my taste for SCSI
rh 5 bdi was my first intro to linux SAMS learn yourself linux in 24 hrs
man RH 5.0 sucked so hard!
and i love Linux
The DBI never used RH5
they stopped counting bugs at over 32,000
I went back to slackware for like 2 years after 5.0 came out
no not BDI.. just a pretty simple install
learn Linux in 24 hours that's a laugh
10 years and i still haven't scratched the surface here
ive read and re-read that book... still jiberish..
best Linux book for my money is Linux in a Nutshell by OReilly
have to look for it next trip to chapters
past that just google it
when did google become a verb??
some of the old X Windows books OReilly made are pretty sharp
if you're into X