alex link is:
[00:02:52] <les> http://digital.lib.msu.edu/collections/index.cfm?CollectionID=10
now the control key is failing
man # Modern Machine Shop Practice Vol. 2 By Rose, Joshua the engravings are so nice
I want to print some out with my laser and hang them up
They had most things figured out then...just poor materials
material science lagged a bit I guess
in volume 1 when they talk about measuring standards
imagine all those lathe bits, drills, etc were just carbon steel
if you go real slow
they talk of pretty heavy cuts just really low speeds
that and not getting much otu of a tool before resharpening it
carbon steel goes to hell at about 400f
I also found some neat videos a college has on the web about their machine shop
can you post it?
gets sft, gerts duller, gets hotter, gets softer etc
yeah a lot of the trick of hss is to heat up the work so it butters I guess
that tandem ballscrew cam matching trick I used on my cnc was from 1820.
yeah getting the work hot and soft works...
they talk about holding an iron bar in their hands and being able to measure the expansion of it
unless it is a precipitation hardening material
the first screw cutting lathe had .0001" graduations on the dials
they show a bunch of contraptions they came up with for dividing
one guy tested his gizmo out like 300 times or somehting silly like that
and i thought i had no social life!
are you guys familiar with OL notations?
like: OL 52.4K ?
<ol> ordered list?
O1 you mean oh one?
OL (oh ell)
negative ghost rider
ghost rider? is that a spin off of speed racer?
cant be sure where I heard it
sg1 season final is on now :)
in an dhour its final is on
I can't find anyone in the cast of SG1 to be engaging enough to really hold my interest with the show
I will admit, the current continuation of last weeks show is not making me happy, I dont like time travel with a true intrest in keeping a time line intact
I am a total X-Files addict though
robin: what steel type notations do you know of?
now I remember why I dumped the TV
I dont know if its the show or yeah, :), gilian
yeah gillianless episodes hold far less interest for me
alex_joni : if you see an O followed by something its an oil hardening type, if its really an L then Ive never heard of it
* robin_z continues advertising in unlikely places for a CNC cutting shop manager
gezr if you like redheads watch mythbusters they got a sweet one on there!
gezr: it's a .ro notation
pfred1 : I know :)
alex_joni : then its probably 01
man she could have her own show if it wasn't for her
alex_joni : the numbers that follow it probably represent the tensil strength
her and adam get rid of sourpuss jamie
alex_joni : I didnt find any other documentation in my book reguarding ol
alex_joni : its o1 though
that can be.. but this is definately OL (capital letters)
alex_joni : do you have anyother designations or just that one?
alex_joni: I think OL37.2K is equiv to St37.2 in german steel grades
alex_joni: yep OL is the grade term I found
yeah, thats may be it, i was looking for tensile
STRIP STEEL 12 X 5 OL 37 2K
yeah that's it
but I have OL 52 4K
52K PSI sounds about right for steel
unlikly to be pounds
well that's how it's rated here
kPa I expect
how much is a KPa?
pfred1: no one other than the USA uses pounds, in eu, we did in the UK, but stopped over 30 years ago now
non of the rest of europe used pounds
save the french, in the 18th century
robin_z we tried back in the 70's it didn't go over very big
it lasted about a week and a half as i cna recall
no one wanted to buy gas by the liter!
I think it's 52 kN/mm^2
I man no one
that's what did in metric here
it was a catrostrophe
I remember htey tried to teach it to us in schools
smacking that lander into mars because you thought the distance was in yards not meters
that was a catastoprhe
52kPa is th eproper meteric version
heck evne the teachers were a little relieved when it got deep 6ed
it so easy though ...
robin_z yeah but how many others did we land?
robin_z and how many have you landed?
we landed one
robin: I think OL 52 is ST 350
yeah too bad it never sent back any data
but I gotta check that
maybe it did ...
our two rovers are still going strong!
mile after mile
* robin_z has seen capricorn1
yup last i heard one got hit by a sandstorm it doubled it's energy
I got a ride on a lunar rover once
well the Earth mockup of it
you mean the onethey used in the "landing" shots?
I also watched the first landing live on TV
showing my age a little on that one i guess
robin_z you ever seen a Saturn V ?
trust me they actually went there!
wait, we went to the moon?
gezr yeah we found out that all we really need to do is go to Arizona
pfred1 : thats where we meet the aliens, who told us never to go back to the moon once the current project was finished, and that they would get us
with the last lunar mission in what was it 72 most kids today heck they were never alive when that stuff was going on
getting up just in time to catch some of late night coast to coast on the radio is just nust
Im a shuttle baby, I was in middle school I think watching the launch that didnt go so well
personally I feel that all manned space missions are nothing more than dog and pony shows
yeah zero excitement for me as well
doesn't seem like humans really contribute much if any real science to the program
heh just walked back in to the office for a bit
les and I were talking about this stuff the other night
I worked on that in scool.
silly vehicle really.
it's the Edsel of the skies!
1:50 chance of nor coming back if you take a ride.
[01:16:51] <robin_z> http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
no it's actually got a worse service record than that now
1 in 24
the last blow up set it back t o1 in 24
les : cant we load one up with terminal type persons, and send em to mars?
I just worked on the fuel tank
acording to I think the new york times, starvation is a good way to die
and not the foam thank you
the list of 9 oddities is "interesting"
oh, I did have a good day at werk today :)
even thoughthey wouldn't let you make youe welding thing?
thats just a side road, I will get that in time :)
I have to ask for things in small steps
gezr: what welding thing?
a single axis motion table
OH I got to try out spray arcing today, its really cool, my bead looked like ass but its still a neat way to weld
super hot too
heh... you need to try pulsed welding
the rest is just playstuff
I can only do drip here
we do normal mig, spray arc mig, submerged arc mig
not enough current for spray.
oh sweet they are tying the show together :)
i missed something
I was listening to sat music
les : Lil Green Men ?
tambura and ocean from 22,000 miles in space
les you ever like to read?
mostly tech stuff
les try to find a book called His master's Voice by Stanislaw Lem
I think you'd enjoy it
hmmm about sound?
les : you mount a humbucker in your sitar yet?
heh it'll blow your mind
but I was an audio r&d engineer once
first job out of school.
les : I did hear that in some countries, it was accually scaled down to be hidden under a coat or jacket, maybe im thinking of another instrument, but the size smalling was mainly done in middleeastern nations
les it starts out with these guys selling "random data" to the financial industry that they're getting off radio telescopes then someone detects a pattern in it it's not as random as it was supposed to be
oh I do the seti thing
the rest of the book goes into trying to figure out what the pattern is where it comes form what it means etc
les : Lil Green Men ?
I used to do it
process data for seti
Idle cpu time should ALWAYS be used for crypto =)
Jymmm cypherpunk are you?
if the machine is on and I am not here...they can have it
pfred1 oh please, way beyonf that
my thoughts as far as aliens go, is really simple, either they know were here and they have made contact to a few, and thats pretty much it, or they are leaving us alone completely, or they just dont know
I do mars crater claassification too
intelligence isn't a survival trait
cause if it was anything else, we would have been dominated
aliens exist, just smart enough to try and avoid us
anything advanced to travel through interstellar space has already blown itself up
we're well on our way
oh look we created a labrotory black hole how neeeee aaaaa tttttt ...
odds are they would be a couple hundred LY out anyway
too far for twoway coms
Do you ppl REALLY believe ligtht is the fastest thing?
or purposeful signals
the nearest star is 4 light years away and there ain't jack there
IRC is maddening with ping times of over 30 seconds
jymmm: there is no limit to apparent speed
les you hear about the german guy that's sending data faster than light?
I saw him that's freaky!
that's group velocity
pushing the data infront of a light beam?
les Piers Anthony Macroscope
* robin_z passes les on of a pair of entangled photons
I think he does it with some sort of quantum deal
going faster than group velocity is no big deal
like Jonh Force says second place is just the first loser
it's phase velocity that you cannot exceed
photon entanglment is interestign, it can be instant ... and they mean it.
group velocity in a Bose -Einstein concentrate is only a few cm/sec
what blows me out is the effort we put forth to make the first atomic bombs
we wernt the only ones working on it
the scale of the project was enormous
they were sucking back 10% of the entire electrical output of the country's electrical grid!
heisenburg in germany gave uppretty quick
STALIN HAD SOM ESPIES
it was probably the most mammoth human undertaking of all time
caps and shift are failing
shift almost lost its f and that would have been a mess
totally failing...remember I am doing a product test here
throw your keyboard into the dishwasher
just dry it well before plugging it back in :)
I have a case of them to test
this is number 2 after less than one month
things aren't looking good
when I worked at a place that made PCBs the first time the guy had me load the boards into a dishwasher I thought he was pulling my leg!
we used a Whirlpool he swire by them!
water soluable flux it's how we cleaned the boards after we wave soldered them
We used a washing machine to get mold release off of throttle position sensor substrates for gm
yeah, thats pretty standard
we made all the PCBs for the gas pumps so you've probbaly used a dishwashed board already
normally they use a special celaning addition,
not regular washer tablets
I think we used regular soap can't remember though
you most certainly didnt use normal soap
this guy did not have a clue about electronics
not a freaking clue!
hell of a business man htough
have you ever put soap on a dishwasher?
I used tritonx-100 wetting agent as I recall
surprised I remember that
we made beautiful boards
we put a squirt of washing-up liquid in the diswasher once ...
god knows if any of them worked
what a mess.
bubbles everywhaere ..
yeah knowing him he was too cheap to put anything else into the machine
out of the top
out of the sides ..
tritonx is an anionic surfactant
les sounds like it costs money
yeah forget that!
well hydrogrn bond stopper
when he went over to water soluable hand soldering flux he did give me al lthe old solder spools
les: I have wased various bits of coke-filled braodcast kit up to �20k in the shower ....
his reasoning was "if it's around i know myself and I'll use it so I'd better get rod of it now"
so I got I don't know how many pounds then
coke sure kills tronics
you should be able to wash it out though
phosphoric acid I guess
straight into the sink or shower with it
see you guys later.
yeah and I am going back to the music room
man we'd clear it with the customers what wasn't hermetically sealed
the rest right into the dishwasher
even electrylytic caps seem to hold up OK
When I listen to sat music I think they have upped the lossy compression factor
I don't like how it is sounding lately
how many kb/s ?
less and less I suspect
your app doesn't tell you?
nope just a direct tv box
vbr is cool
variable bit rate
who knows what it is doing
I know prop delay is long
I got a stream capture app laying around someplace
anything that streams in it can save to a file
I MIGHT SWITCH TO CD
so yo ucna listen to net radio and end up with MP3s!
who needs Napster anyways?
sat radio is starting tosound like MP3
which do you have?
when i make MP3s I try to keep the bitrate pretty high
like 256K or so
well I don't do MP# although last time my son was here we did some comparisons
there's switches i can feed to the app makes them come out pretty good to me
we compared raw to 256k
128 does sound like it's coming down a string phone to me
My son loves MP3
heck yeah it's way better than get up change the record
after a while he was not satisfied with even 256
click and go!
has he tried ogg ?
ogg vbr is pretty wild
to me it's very airy sounding
well anyway being a former audio r&d engineer...
yeah you know it's not all there
I am not tooo crazy about lossy compression
hey with no loss you could put a cd on something the size of a quarter now anyway
CDs are lossy
they're only what 44100 KHz ?
they have their lmits sure
beetovheen's 5th isn't it?
wasn't that what had to fit on a disc?
with noise shaping about 120 dba dynamic range and 22k
but no home system can even do 120 dynamic range
or even close
maybe it's the clicks and pops that i miss sometimes?
by the way a hand clap at one meter is about 120 dba.
I hooked up my turntable a little while ago and was amazed
to me it was liek rediscovering it
you know I designed that stuff
I have an Ortofon cartrige
ah the comprtition
I did the Shure ML series beryllium shank
a long time ago
I remember them
like I said...first job out of engineering school
I have a really low mass turntable arm so I wanted somehting light
to follow all the whips and warps!
not very hard...audio is usually about 20 years behind other stuff
I'm more than a little miffed about the whole recording industry though
We used all thorens and sme in the labs at shure
I mean they ripped everyone off for years but look how much they cried and what did they really lose?
the MP3s people download i mean if they were going to go out and buy the stuff they would have
being as they didn't
I got MP3s I'd have NEVER gone out and given you a single red cent for
so how did they lose anything?
heck I used to grab MP3s whenever I read about the nonsense that was going on just ot make myself feel better
I spent most of my work days then doing things like double blind listening tests
that only works early in the morning
before your ears get burnt
the rest of the day I donno
The VP liked for us to test the products with opera
I like Wagner
but as soon as he left...
what's that one he does the one with the ship?
I also did vertical tracking angle sudies and all that
wrote some stuff in the old Audio magazine
glue a lot of pennies to the arms?
and stereo review
the effect of schotch taping a penny to the end of your tonearm ...
ha no I could track 50 cm /sec at .1 gram in the lab
only in the lab though
bout that time I was probably listening to the Deadboys myself
just about completely wore through my Young Loud and Snotty LP then
we got the first cd player in the US ...a prototype
I'm pretty embarassed with CD i sort of pulled a Bill Gates on them
I got to take it home after twenty people above me used it
I htought they were a fad
there were 4 cds in the world at that time
yeah one guy i knew was buying them like mad I was still buying records
the early players really sucked!
I bought a cd player for myself pretty early
super low oversampling
1983 I think
no oversampling at all
analog anti alias filter
CDs were and still are a total ripoff
well they cost nothing now to make
the artists get about that for every sale
back then they were a bit hard to make
but not for long
I still don't think DVD has completely shaken out
well it has 48/96 capability
that is just marketing
johnson thermal noise does not permit 24 bit at room temperature
22 is about it
DA converters sure have come a long ways
no stereo could do 22 anyway
usually in consumer stuff the last four bits or so are crap
not mine though
I paid a bit
last year yard saling this woman had these boxes of speakers she told me "oh they're for the ceiling or something" if yo uwant them take them for free
burr brown 18 bit converters
so I grab up the box
take it home upwrap what's inside
it's 2 pair of Boston Scoustic built ins
oh good deal
I look them up on the net
$900 worth of speakers!
I dont care for Boston Acoustics
even for free
well excuse the hell out of me
seem kinda 'flat'
for free they simply cannot be beat I am sorry
I run 32 cu ft of T/s designed fourth order
unless she'd have offered to have paid me to haul them away
Mccauley 15 bottom
pfred1 sell em and get soem Bose or JBL's instead =)
I designed the uper bass unit
altec horns mid
Audax domes high
Jymmm nah I'll find a little old lady giving them away this season maybe
les what do you use to design the box?
I also have some ar 9's in another room
Jymmm: I used me. I was an audio design engineer
typical theile small parameters though
les what you sat down and did all the calculations by hand?
you sick bastard!
not at the time...there were no pc box programs
les are you the guy who has the website about the audio room?
now you just click the mouse a little
no not me
but I have one
there's this one guy who essentially built a room that's one huge speaker
well that is just room gain
yeah he was like well next time i do it I won't use 4 inch block
racks and racks of amps
I gotta find this loon
With 4Kw RMS in a 15x25 room I am about ther too I guess
so I am in the loon category too
[02:23:36] <pfred1> http://www.scrounge.org/speak/burwen/index.html
what is that guy smoking?
I used to play guitar in a rock band
a poor one
well then you should really appreciate that link
this guy got a sound system crazier than Madison Square Garden in his house
conting the ar9s I have what...
40 cubic feet of speakers in there
here's les http://www.scrounge.org/speak/burwen/controlroom.jpg
that is loon stuff
he must be like mainlining LSD or something
really old but neat stuff
this is not new
let me look for a link
it's people like that that i know we're all doomed
yeah there's nothing any newer because he's probably a stain on the wall about now
what's stupider than this is those car competitions
where they like blast pink noise with their car stereos
let's go to the 1930's
look at this
those are 15" drivers in there
[02:31:46] <les> http://www.voiceofthetheatre.com/images/LF.horns.1.jpg
slow to load
yeah you can't beat diameter for making the low tones
and those are little ones
what 10 feet high?
they got like a 1930s internet connection :)
yeah for sure
there is some really whacked audio stuff on the net I have seen
but that one guy he's up there in the hall of fame for me
with "the room"
I'll be building some cabinets pretty soon for the other pair i got last year of those Boston Acoustics
well when I was 21 I saved my money and bought some altec lansing voice of the theaters
it was nuts
cost as much as a new car
one guy I knew he bought the PA off this other guy that had a metal band
our crummy rock band got some studio time
1200 watt head and 4 CV cabinets
and the playback was on voice of the theaters
I heard it and had to have em
when we'd headbang you could literally hear it 3 blocks away!
see back then studio sound was quite good
but the stuff that got to the consumer sonded like pure shit
so I saved my money
me i cut out the middleman i sound like pure shit right from the get go
hey.. I still am running an old pair of voice of the theatres... each bass unit is about the size of a large washing machine and the cast Al horns sit on top...
I love em....
811 or 511 horns?
let me check...
what is les
black + big =511
what am I?
* anonimasu yawns
all the electronics nuts have arrived!
black and big... driver has 808-8a on it as a model number.... have a set of blue/green horns in the garage... one has a bad coild and the replacement was too pricey for me...
ah have both cool
you can now get new diaphragms I am happy to say
the 15" bass drivers could use a replacement... they didnt like the last move.... they have to be from the 60's
the litz wire leads do go after a while
I bought them from a guy for $800 as they would not fit in his living room!
the lf drivers can be reconed
Mine are on the second cone
redo the alnico 5 magnet too
yes... I suspect the magnets are not what they could be.... I have neighbors now so I dont get to rattle the windows very often
they are quite good even today
3" edge wound copper voice coils
I like watching the top gun dvd with the volume cranked up
nearly 2 tesla fields
xmax about 10 mm
FS 23 Hz
VAS 20 ft ^3
I was wondering about trying some of the drivers they use to bounce cars down the road... they seem to be building a lot of big thumpers these days...
What is a recone costing these days??
well I use huge mccauleys in the music room...
less than $100 for an altec
THE VOT used a high cutoff to get high efficiency
band limited pink noise 100-10k
101 dba one wat one meter
one of these days I will pull the backs off and see if these are the original drivers... Altecs seem to be supported here although when I was looking for new voice coils for the horns, they were over $200.
101 dba - are you nuts?
with one watt Jymmm
les what, pushing rice paper?
that's in the ballpark for good speakers
I think mine are 100 or so
well old altec employees have started making original replacement stuff for them again
since they are classics
had some 18" JBL's once, didn't make a sound till 40 watts
and since AL/WE INVENTED the loudspeaker
les what's your webpage again I can't find my bookmark
let me grt you a link
[02:52:58] <les> http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/proloudspeakers/index.html
you know lawrence they are valuable collectors items now
les woo a turkey call in the gallery now!
it looks good man
VOT speakers worth a small fortune
how many turkey calls is a small fortune? :)
we did several thousand in jan and feb
hey you got to record the call and when you click on the pic it plays it
you gotta do it!
will start up next years production in a month or so
I'm serious it'd be too cool
well we are talking about some marketing stuff about acoustics comparing toa real turkey
It is a fourth order system just like a loudspeaker
well put in a disclaimer that the real call sounds better than it over the internet
[02:58:33] <LawrenceG> http://www.voiceofthetheatre.com/images/828H.1.jpg
these look like the base units... mine may be clones as they are made of plywood not particle board.
originals were plywood
[03:00:16] <LawrenceG> http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/proloudspeakers/sectoralhorns/511B&811B-Data.pdf
those are the horns..
very cool, a treasure and the wife wants me to get rid of them.... they entered my life before she did, so I'm hoping they are safe!
very valuable lawrence
all wives hate em
believe me I know
really old music still sounds best on them...you know why?
I build quite a few speakers, but I still like the VOT the best.... they make one feel the music instead of being blasted by it.
cause they were mixed on them in the studio!
can't beat that
up until mid '70s
my steak was insanly good
yeah i have to build another amp
* pfred1 likes to feel the music
I still mess with speaker a lot even though I have not done it for a living for a good while
Les... I was looking at your sign page.... do you cnc the fancy edging? or is it hand carved?
still AES though
gezr red meat is such a killer
the celtic spiral edging?
emc does that
pfred1 : it is?
gezr probably kills more people than cigarettes
good then I have 2 legs up
troff_ is now known as troff
yes, the edging looks good.... is that a script then gens the g code or ?
gezr the way the world is going can'tsay as i blame you
the celtic spiral design was drown by me in autocad 2000, converted to 3-d vcarving bt artcam, and carved by emc.
pfred1 : I dont fear dying or being dead
gezr way i see it is the rewards have to be someplace and I sure haven't found them in this lifetime myself
I can send you some celtic spiral gcode file if you would like to try them
90 degree v cutter
not scaleable though
cool.... wonder if cp1 could be set up to generate that edging.....
well not easily
would love some.... am building a toy box for the dog, so anything to fancy up the box would be fun to try.
just so it's 3axis
a stip about 12" long would be enough or a rectangle 5"x9" outside
let me make a note...I will find the nearest template
this is gcode at 120 ipm
can you do that?
writing it down...
the poor shoptask would jump off the bench!.... I can look for feedrates and mod with an editor
les news flash computers are good for data storage!
yep... I have so much stuff stored on the cpu, I cant find it.... looking at google for home box!
LawrenceG bolt it down
man i tried to run a search engine on my system once
lets just say i had to hard reset it
must have been windows!
they suck up a lot of CPU!
nope was Linux
that thing had the whole box frozen solid
ok got the email and 5x9 rectangle
will check in the morning ok?
not enough ram.... probably swapped to death
post-it note on screen
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 903428 894224 9204 0 126996 461952
-/+ buffers/cache: 305276 598152
Swap: 1052248 6160 1046088
linux doesnt do that much anymore
thanks les.... will be fun to try
kernel traps with oom and destroys processes till things clear
Linux does like it's RAM
was a lot of work to draw in autocad heheh...enjoy
back to music room for me
pfred1 : most of it is free, 305m worth
I have seen some of the celtic scroll some of the fellows are doing a jewellery... would be fun to do on signs...
gezr yeah it's cache makes stuff like mozilla pop up faster :)
les take it easy
really there's only 9 MB free
next system I'll crack the 2 GB barrier here
there is a kernel doc reguarding whats free and not free
that be mine
question is why is swap being used
I find that no matter how much RAM you have Linux expects a swap and uses it too I guess you could setup a RAMdisk
I managed to get emc running on the 128mb laptop, but it would like a litle more... The disk is very slow (2.7mb/s on hdparm test) and doesnt support dma
yeah 128 is a bit low today
have another 64mb at the post office for pickup.... that should help... it will max out the laptop
it only supports upto 192mb
anyone know of any gcode generating scripts besides cp1?
and Jons c routines?
No, YOUR brain
your not brian, your asdfqwega
* asdfqwega loves leaping into middle of conversation
I do as well, its accidential
oh look they have stopped, its my turn
oh man, they didnt stop
Another round on the merry-go-'round?
I dont know
sg1 was good
atlantis was good
bsg just isnt sitting well with me anymore
I was really looking forward to some g-code questions
yeah I don't think BSG is going anyplace
im going to bed I guess, yall have fun
LawrenceG : hey, you should be able to generate some pretty good gcode by hand, if your not used to gcode at all, you will quickly get a handle on things, and once you find a generator, youll more redaly understand its outputs
complex surfaces can even be done by hand, it just takes a long time to get all the lines in
yep... been playing here.... I wrote some of the components in the cp1 generator....
you can do anything with a hammer and a chisel it just may take a while
I like computerised chisels
computers are just the latest chisel
LawrenceG : how complex a profile are you wanting to generate?
but they're not really a replacement for a real chisel
one project I keep tossing over is for sign work, so that raised letter signs can be generated that look like they have been hand done using a scoup chisel...
a bull nose end mill would have to do a lot of bouncing around!
if you could gain control of the C axis and had really fine gcode control, you wouldnt need but to mount the chisel in the spindle
well, that would still need the 5th axis I guess hmm
yeah just mount a phumatic hammer to the c-axis =)
i like that idea
give me granite and I'll give you dust!
yeah the stroking would help break up the material
I love my pneumatic hammers
LawrenceG Eh, I got parrots that do that!
That doesn't sound like a fair trade :p
once i was popping a panel off a car with one and this guy I know said "it's not a finesse tool you know ..."
then i finished the job
Anything can be a finesse tool - it's all in the wrist
many a spray paint job was ruined with that thought
I used to design scanners in the sawmills... would like to build a portable one that could be used to scan some of the carved drawer fronts on desks etc...
anyone who's spraying your car and says it's all in your wrist run don't walk away!
LawrenceG I saw a webpage where guys had build laser diffraction? scanners
they'd make these cloud point projection maps
there are some neat 3d scanners... with thecurrent digital cameras used as a detector and cheap lazer line generators, it is possible to build very cheap 3d scanners
The time is in the software and finding a paying use for it!
jimi hendrix didn't become a legend doing whatever made money
There are some many highly protected patents in the laser scaniing business, its very hard to do something in that field.
I've already been sued once... what a waste of time.
you tried to market the item?
a v8 powered chainsaw, driven by a multi axis robot at a lumberjack exposition, you think someone would be pissed?(im off to bed now)
just wait until the software patents in Europe start kicking in...
yeah russia going to be hell of a hosting place
or tobago or someplace
meanwhile china is eating our lunch for us
could be a new idea for starting a new country.... IP free zone... open source is the rule! SOrt of like the tax free countries...
I think you'd have to start a space colony for that
sort of like somehting out of a william gibson story ...
well, the new world may not be here...
Space colony <- added bonus: stupid people don't survive long
nah someone just has to start shooting these parasitic politicians
show them that we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore!
hey... if we could get the controls contract for the US star wars system, we could carve 3d mountains for fun!
pfred1: Better start stockpiling ammunition, or you'll run out after a couple hours
asdfqwega they're such cowards I'd hope that just a few as an example would get the message out
The only problem with "The Court of Last Resort" is that bullets can fly both ways
western culture does seem to be on a suicide course anymore
Euro culture is definately on a slippery slope, though
european is western culture
No, they're east of me - I'm in western culture
heh, misread that
and this isn't the forum where I'll voice my beliefs on this matter anymore :)
technology I use as an escape from my precieved reality
lots of toys to play with is the way to go.
for me, tools = toys
the craftsman that is doing without a tool that they need is already paying for it!
What better toy could there be, than one that allows you to change the world around you?
what'd Einstein say? imagination is more important than knowledge
Hammers, welders and lasers for me, thanks
getting all my tools in one place is my goal
I got some tools that have never even seen my other tools!
nah htey seen some of the sinking circus
but not the whole show under one big top
I'm in the process of moving
3d versions of stuff like this would be interesting.... http://spicetreegraphics.biz/Illustrations/Holidays/StPatricks/LargeThumbs/Celtic1Thumb.jpg
the interesting part is how to emboss or make it 3d in a an interesting way that can be cut on a cnc
A more general case is in sign making and doing raised letters from true type fonts
I seen software that takes pictures and makes what a DXF file out of it?
and there's DXF to G code converters out there
pred1: The problem is not the 2D conversions - that's relatively easy. The problem is making a 3D conversion.
Especially with something like a celtic knot, where some parts are supposed to look like they go over-under
I should ask a diemaker about that someday
yes... the layering is the magic...
The 'olden' days, you had to work pretty much directly with the die material (steel)
asdfqwega walk through 4 feet of snow uphill both ways?