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03gspy 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/emcstepper.c: added support for quadrature and 4 wire phase drive
03gezr 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/- New directory: File changed. New revision:NONE
CIA-4 got murdered, and was replaced by it's evil twin CIA-7.
I dont understand cvs enough to be doing this right now, what im trying isn't working, so im going to stop where im at
03gezr 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/annotated.html: File changed. New revision:classAxisNumber.html
well I hope that worked
hmm, it doesnt see to be accepting my messages
03gspy 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/emcstepper.c: renamed freqmod param to STEPPING_TYPE
so what's up?
wonder when I'll get my toys I bought from ebay.
it's been 11 days for one package, and 5 for another.
stepper driver, and a DA300 extention collet tool holder.
good pricing on everything?
Jymmm, yeah. not bad at all.
Jymmm, stepper driver from manufacturer is $1056 + shipping. I got it for $150Shipped [now lets test if it works]. The DA300 $45shipped with 5 collets. MCSdirect is selling it for $70 for the holder + each collet.
double angel collets
very small sized.
they're like 1/2" dia x 1" long collets.
paul_c introducted me to them a few days ago... saw them on eBay, so I bought it, cause I thought the price was good
[07:33:42] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7500678740&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6
[07:34:25] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3880056302&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT
I'll be back in a bit
A-L-P-H-A let me know how that vexta driver works out
that driver... it's 5phase
for pentagon winding, not star
I'll let you know
nice day today isnt it?
* anonimasu_ sighs
I just broke a large project at work..
what did you break anon?
Well i'll just talk to myself...
trying to do some photography today
of the new products
I broke my plc program..
I got a better idea this morning
I have to get going with plsc soon
and I made some changes.. which means re-writing everything..
but it's a good thing
The things I am phoyographing require that robotic pinter
[13:17:30] <anonimasu_> http://www.haascnc.com/training/MillProgram_PDF/xMcb.pdf
ow can't type today
*looking at how commercial machines have their controls..
actually can't type ever
had a large talk yesterday about what should be allowed to do from the panel..
and macros and things..
if you should be able to call macros off the panel while running..
like "hold" stop spindle & retract
lots of buttons to push
I will need a few front panel controls for stuff on the painter
timing and such
very simple really
just two stationary spray heads
stepper motor turntable
possible pick and place for the parts
I am thinking about building a panel
programmed in basic rather than ladder
ladder is horrid
emc with millwrite is great for engraving electronic panels
You ought to download the functional demo and give it a shot
I should do that..
really easy to use
plexi + engraving + paint + facemilling
same as you did with the wood panels
engrave paint and then facemill it..
or engrave reverse on the back, color fill, and wipe off the surface
looks nice too
I've got a PLC interface half done :)
just need to write the nml ties
but I have the serial comm part finished..
got around to coding for a couple of hours yesterday..
1 or 2 :)
so emc can send and recieve nml messages through rs232?
well emc > nml > wrapper > rs232
I dont want to have nml on the plc..
so one way to the plc?
the wrapper sends back stuff via nml..
if you want it
sounds very useful
it's better to do some stuff with a PLC..
since they dont fail.. :)
I dont trust pc's that much
I'll use it to have a jog button..
I have had pretty good luck with the big machine
never has crashed the os in operation
but someday a hard drive or something will go
I keep an identical spare all set to drop in
I think I'll put the estop logic in the plc..
since I have loads of cycles to spare
well over here external estop logic is pretty much required
yeah, but that's external ;)
and I have loads of i/o's..
16 in 16 out
and 2 analog out.. and 2 in
and 2 rs232 and 2 can
yeah the modern plcs are very poweful
well of to set up photo shoot
I'll interpolate the accel of the jog wheel and calculate the feed..
of the new turkey calls
will put on the blog
so I get away not having it realtime
I am looking forward to seeing it :)
heh...I really should have a professional photographer do it
how's the weather up there?
les, how goes it?
I'll use the 0-10v input to lower the feedrate incase the spindle load goes up too much
les, sunny a bit chilly but nice.
hmm constant power milling
42 here...high 65
I am thinking very high feeds and constant chipload..
les, high will be around 42 here.
ok so lower feed= lower rpm= constant cl
Narnia: not too bad
somthing like that
well off to set up photography
I was thinking about lowering the feed only..
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/po/ (de_rs274_err.po rs274_err.pot): Added operator error messages from emctaskmain to the pot.
did I miss any interesting discussions yesterday? I saw there was talk of "scripting" and "macros" but I didn't follow it all (it's all about the kinds of things I don't need to do)
Not really... I switched off when the discussion went of into how to break the interp.
darn.. robin_sz is not around
nevyn_ is now known as nevyn
alex_joni: I owe half an apology
paul_c: you do?
* alex_joni wasn't aware
03paul_c 07pc_2_6_test * 10emc2/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Update rs274 error messages so that it is a little easier to merge the translation tables at a later date.
There are some NML messgaes being produced in emctaskmain - Operator errors & messages.
03paul_c * 10emc2/src/ (emc/task/emctaskmain.cc po/de_rs274_err.po po/rs274_err.pot): Update rs274 error messages so that it is a little easier to merge the translation tables at a later date.
I wanted to ask you yesterday.. but I was too tired...
what's happening in pc_2_6_test ?
paul_c: few people really know what's happening with NML ;)
(tits) working in the wrong branch...
even the extent you know is a "bit" more than what I do ;)
ever heard about shopbottools ?
I just got a request for a router (like the one seen on sopbottools)
03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Update rs274 error messages so that it is a little easier to merge the translation tables at a later date.
Specs are about average for a low cost wood router
Hrrrmmmm... cvs didn't quite work as I expected today....
Even though those files appear to be checked in on the 2.6 test branch, the appear at the head.
well from what I've seen that's common to CVS
anything checked in under branches can be seen from HEAD too
like directories & such
even if they don't exist in head
The directories thing caught me out too... But files in one branch shouldn't be visable in another...
anonimasu_ is now known as an0n
an0n is now known as anonimasu
paul_c: are you aginst implementing macro functionality?
in the interp ?
* paul_c is adding some more i18n error message support...
paul_c: what needs to be done to add i18n to GUIs?
translations ofthe widget labels, and help files
well.. I kinda figured that out
but how should that be done?
e.g. with tcl?
everything should be i18n'd
The tkemc GUI is going to be a pain to work on...
nevyn: that's the plan
paul_c: I'll bug rayh about this
I'd leave him be fo a while...
afaik tkemc is his baby?
I mean everything. including logs should support i18n logging and support logging
let's just say "under preassure"
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
paul_c: got it
there is still the rs274ngc & operator error messages to translate in to
paul_c: what do you think about it?
Norse, Dutch, French, etc,etc...
anonimasu: Translating tkemc ?
about the interp..
interp with macros ?
take a look at Ken's changes.
where are they?
in the cvs?
mailed to the ist a couple of days ago.
ah I dont get the list
I should subscribe
tried thoose changes?
hm, where's the mail attached to it?
Last Friday on the emc-dev list.
how do I get thoose mails?
err the archive
03paul_c 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/qemccommand.cc: File changed. New revision:qemccommand.hh
anon: sign upto receive mails
or go to sourceforge
you'll find it there
[15:28:07] <paul_c> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
I went there..
but I cant find the mail
what's kens fill name?
anon: tell me your mail I'll forward it
I'll subscribe.. later tonight..
oooh - not too long to wait for the spam now :)
* anonimasu likes the talk about segmentqueue
I was thinking that you
you'll send it in a private msg
or put an AT..
ouch it went to the logs ^_^
if somone makes a effort to fix it I might upgrade my box.. so I can try it out at more feed..
yeah.. but the logs aren't submited to google.. so that should be safe
dosent worry me that much the spamfilter works good :)
spamassassin + razor + somt other RBL
qmail + vpopmail + courier imapd + spamassassin + razor + badwords(cant remember the name of it) + clamav
horrid install :)
I hope the mailserver stays up forever :D
I like that page
I'll be back in a bit going to go home from work now
I should try some of thoose changes later tonight..
take care :)
ccjoe_ is now known as ccjoe
paul_c: I think ::msgcat::mc needs to be used with tcl/tk for i18n
hey hows it going.
man i need to find out whats going on in my EMC, the cutter takes a plung when trying to cut something, but in windows mach2 the machine works perfect....?
can you post the lines at the beginning?
how did you define tool length?
what tool# did you use?
i use stepdown.
in each pass
i do not use tool numbers
im at work so i will have to do it later
for instant letters it cuts a letter then steps down 0.05 and recuts does this untill desired depth
less strain on machin for me.
and able to cut faster rate
altho the cutting is repetative
* anonimasu yawns
that was fast
had to run housecall
machine was slow
I think it's that dumb nvidea card
the card says 64 meg
but it only has 32
uses system memory for the rest and has an application running called...
that task manager says often uses 90% of resources
maybe wrong driver?
I googled it
why share resources?
and the only driver too
solution is to yank the card and get a good one
it was a dumb marketing thing to sell a card that eats up resources like that so you can say 64meg on the ads
yea thats what i would do, get a simple card
well I need a pretty good one because I use flight simulator to brush up on piloting and navigation skills
Not quite like real flying but close
hm.. you should buy a radeon 9800 or somthing like that..
I have a 9800(256mb) in my laptop..
they are very fast..
I have Gforce 4 on my laptop
If I get sloppy on navigation etc I could end up digging a big hole in the ground
crash and burn
ok i thought it was for your linux emc machines....
les: yeah that's scary
this is geforce2MX400
linux machines have old ATI cards
I don't care much about display quality on the cnc stuff
Hmmm waiting for the customer to visit....and checking the final costing on these new product lines
I have to ammortize in that paint robot
gotten the images online yet?
Had to wait...since I am waiting for the customer to see them
I want to see if he will spring for a big order
with the standard line I make $5.25 in 3 minutes 10 seconds of cnc time
same for this...but expensive wood, inlayind, and tinted laquer finishing brings up the price
MY MARGINS ARE LOWER ON THIS
itHEY HAVE LOTS OF HAND WORK
hit caps lock when i go for shift
so I pay worker 10....then mark it up to about 25
they aren't running machines or anything
just doing hand work
I hope that plan will work
hmmm sanity check
They could only make 20 or so a day
so that is about 400
320 minus material cost
that is only 40/ hr for shop time
a little slim
how much would it go up bu automating the painting?
but it is just someone sitting there glueing up inlays
I was looking at a wood cutting machine today.. that some guys next door wanted us to re-do the huydralics on today..
I have put in about $4 per unit to pay off the robot
for the time being
I am work damged..
The thing will take a couple weeks to build
"a motor to feed the wood.. then a sensor and just chop it up..
so that's 6000 or so opportunity cost
and as soon there's a piece in the split part fwap.
wood wast is already 90%
because it is a thin hollow shell carved out of solid wood
You should see the sawdust pile made by the cnc
les: can't you press brickets out of it?
or what are those called?
les: that would be a good way to get rid of it
the ones you use for wood-boilers & such
Guess I could
you could even sell them
Well I am using the ends and short remnants to make butcher block
that was my idea..
* alex_joni writes that down...
an0n had an idea
the sawdust in mills is usually burned to power the kilns
lots of places do that over here..
they press/sell "pellets"..
wish one could have a pellet stove like burner that just screw fed the sawdust in
hm.. that$BgT(B not efficient :)
without having to pelletize them
you'd need so very much sawdust to kee� it running..
I have that much
the pellets have a higher density and burns longer :)
yeah but for sale
I thought the way those things work is to continually feed em in...almost like a fluid
but they generate lots of energy when they burn..
sine they are compacted..
why not just do that with graded chips?
density I think is the reason..
burn a pellet and burn a equally sized chip
but with the same mass flow....
wood pellits used in furnace for casting.
I guess chips would have a hard to predict burn rate
a computer could control it
mass flow sensor of exhaust, temperature etc
and detect ash formation
I'm just thinking of wood chips as a flammable fluid
I think of silly ideas while I am sittin around waiting for my customer to get here for the meeting
pellets are easier to sell :)
they are very expensive here
don't know why
hm that's strange..
I don't know how they are made
hydraulic press I guess
they have a machine that presses them..
adds a bit of water..
and to increase the burn time I think..
starch or something?
I dont think that's it
google time haha
I'll google for it
should increase burn time
also make it burn hotter
they form slag metal when they burn also
actually I have read NG can be burned in an oil lamp
only shock detonates it
a pelletsmachine costs 750 000 sek.
um what is a sek?
6.90sek = 1usd
found any good links?
oh that figure isn't quite accurate enough...could you please have a couple more decimal places?
[17:07:53] <anonimasu> http://pkg.com.tw/e/029927957/next-01h.htm
you can save some 1/1000000000000000 cents ;)
Oh they seem to mostly use pine
I use pine
so the resin (turpenes) might be the binder
on ssh connections ;)
normally kmail :))
i18n really works on tkemc ;)
* alex_joni prods paul_c
* paul_c turns nasty ;O
some quick word with you
where should I put tkemc i18n files?
usually tk/tcl uses a folder called msgs (that would be emc2/tcl/msgs/ )
and files <locale>.msg
like en_US.msg, de.msg, etc.
does that sound ok?
or should I complicate things and put it all to src/po ?
src/po would end up installed (probaly) in /usr/share....
yeah.. but it's not like the .po .pot thing
although.... Putting them in src/po makes it easier for the translators to find it
::msgcat::mcset ro "File" "Fisier"
::msgcat::mcset ro "Open..." "Deschide"
::msgcat::mcset ro "Edit..." "Editeaza"
::msgcat::mcset ro "Reset" "Reseteaza"
::msgcat::mcset ro "Exit" "Iesire"
smthg like this
with all the strings
and a makefile can move them to the correct location.
sounds ok to me
should I commit on head?
or make/use a branch ?
I've been committing to head for i18n
head it is.. I want to work some more on it before commiting anything (is untested right now)
IMO It is an enhancement/feature that does not (or shouldn't) break anything
but right now I read an env variable called LANG
for testing the locale
I need to test that reading (because it fails if LANG is not defined)
and .. I don't know enough tcl to do that :P
what is the file name with the translations in it ?
ro is for me
OK, so we would need to agregate all the tcl strings in that one file...
and the tcl code gets a bit extended
How would you handle the help.txt ?
instead of puts "text-foo"
you need puts [msgcat::mc "text-foo"]
msgcat:mc searches for a translation, and if none is found it outputs the original text
help.txt should get renamed the same way
or smthg like that
Tkemc.tcl:246 & 257
* alex_joni goes home
I'll be online later
ran the quadrature stuff on the machine yesterday.... also discovered that STEPPING_TYPE was already recognized in the run file and gets passed to the reqmod module if its defined under the emcmot section of the ini file...
all should be in the bdi cvs now.... The code is so much cleaner than step/dir... that setup and hold logic is brutal
Only one small critism
go for it
Even if you only use a 4 axis setup, both bytes get written to
So the unused bits would be unavailable for external IO
interesting.... mini mill seems to using the 4th axis bits for spindle control... I was watching them in the io viewer...
hm, I could do a translation to swedish.. someday..
logic could probably be changed to do a read modify write to the ports... is there a read ppt function?
that could (would) introduce race conditions.
yes... even the step/dir code gets exclusive use of the port but in groups of 8 bits.
how is emc2 doing it with all its fancy pin defns?
It also compares against the last value and only does a write if it has changed.
(saves ~2�Sec on a pointless write)
this also does a compare, but it is based on any changes to any of the n output bits... 1 bit change does trigger 2 writes
the second write could be completely avoided simply by checking the number of axis in use
let me take a look
the number of axes is checked
emcstepper.c line 406
of course - that's the wrong function
line 515 and area could be changed to check each group of 8 bits individually... the old and new are available with some masking
Regarding the question of sharing a port between motion and I/O - that can be done with global output variables and masks
re: checking hi/lo separately - I wonder if it's faster to keep the two bytes in the same variable, or if two char vars are better
in 2 chars, there is extra logic that gets executed for inside the per axis loop deciding on which var to use... the output check is only done once per PERIOD
Yes, using an int and splitting it at the point of the exDioWrite would save on code.
is there a "extDioByteWrite()" that would work on setting pairs of bits?
yes - 4 pairs at a time :)
are you asking that in the context of sharing a port with I/O?
extDioWrite reads a byte from the parport, does a and/or and wirtes the byte bac.
very slow way of doing it
in the old code the function call used to be a ppt.... something... yes minimill seems to be using the high 2 bits of the first port for spindle control
I suspect the old call was a blind write
extDio... is a wrapper around the appropriate driver write function (like pptDioWrite).
extDio* is a wrapper round ppt*
so it does the rmw?
no - just a write
the bit set functions do R/M/W
I wouldn't recommend using bit write operations - Not if you want good timing between edge transistions.
bit by bit would be painful for 6 axis of 4 phase!
sharing would be best done with a system like JonE's I/O buffer
worst case - about 4�Sec per bit write
not good.... considering I was running PERIOD at 20us on 300 celeron and surviving
if((phasedrive & 0x000000ff) != (lastdrive & 0x000000ff))
if((phasedrive & 0x0000ff00) != (lastdrive & 0x0000ff00))
extDioByteWrite(1, phasedrive >> 8);
2 masks probably are much faster than a call and i/o
I have got to run out on a service call. Should be back in a couple of hours.... will try the changes.
I ordered 2flute cutters today
for cutting plastic..
dormer ones :)
Is there anything on the website to calculate the feedrate (ipm) by chance?
the website being linuxcnc.org?
do you have a spreadsheet?
then just make a calculator spreadsheet - the formulas are trivial
cool, where be the formulas
or you could download the excel spreadsheet from the Yahoo cad_cam_edm_dro newsgroup
(but I found that one annoying)
heh, well I might be able to redo it then
What information are you starting with?
depends on how fubar'ed it is
None, just trying to get an estimate using 1/2-10
Ah - so you want to figure out a range of speeds you may need for your machine?
* Jymmm nods
at least know the limit ranges
Well - then figure out how long you want to wait for it to home, assuming it's at the furthest extent - that'll be you rapid rate, and almost guaranteed to be faster than any machining speed you'll need
but - here are the formulas anyway:
you start with the "optimum" machining speed for the material - from a table (linke in Machinery's Handbook")
take steel - it's around 100 SFM (Surface Feet / Minute)
SFM = RPM * cutter circumference
Ali - 1/2" cutter @ 10 i.p.m.
so, if you have the cutter diameter, spindle RPM = 12 * SFM / (pi * diameter)
(diameter in inches)
then, you need to calculate feedrate from chip load and spindle RPM
Cooo.... I just found a table fo Ti.
chip load also comes from tables - usually 0.005 - 0.015 or so, but varies depending on material, cutter material, frough/finish passes, etc.
so - chip thickness and number of flutes and spindle RPM gives feedrate:
thickness (inches) * flutes * RPM = feedrate in IPM
example: 0.010 * 4 flute * 250 RPM = 10 IPM
What's the SFM for aluminum?
then, you calculate the depth of cut based on the horsepower of your head (again from a table of material removal rates vs. available power)
varies depending on rough / finish / cutter material / lubriccant / coolant / temper, etc.
I'll need to absorb all that for a few for it to sink in, thanks SWPadnos
no problem - the formulas are really easy once you get it.
One more... is there a table or something in selecting a stepper motor... 40oz
assuming I use the exact same on all three axis
big table for milling speeds (not comprehensive though) http://www.microcutusa.com/cuttingcond.html
for figuring out the power you need?
* Jymmm nods (but is getting dizzy now from all the nodding)
there's a very comprehensive one at danahermotion.com - it's called motioneering
I am curious about pulse generation limit.. with emc..
take a few aspirin before running it though - there are *way* too many options
* Jymmm has emergency tequilia above monitor (for real)
that should do
(but wasn't it evaporated or something?)
SWPadnos: Not sure about that, it's been up there for a couple years and is slowly evaporating
damn plastic bottle
right - I remember a conversation but couldn't remember if it was that bottle or a different one
what do you guys run period at?
it's that bottle, but the darn thing is plastic, not glass like they used to be.
so- -step generation...
28 days in this household
(sorry - couldn't resist)
anonimasu when the PMS starts, I leace.
on my celeron 500, PERIOD=0.000016 is too fast, but 0.000024 is fine
hm.. I guess I need a better box then.
I haven't narrowed it down any more, since I have a USC
what speed do you have now?
what CPU speed?
* Jymmm smacks SWPadnos "Nobody said there was trig involved!"
heh - motioneering got you down?
hm I should try 0.000010
here there be calculus
Nah, I've dealt with worse. metallurgy
0.000010 will probably cause a lockup
(just my $0.02)
03paul_c 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/qemccommand.cc: File changed. New revision:qemccommand.hh
what step rate are you trying to achieve?
hm, I guess i'll have to order a faster box then..
cant remember.. but about 3m/s
is the speed I want..
eek - what resolution/step
3m/s or 3m/min?
or well, more if possible..
ok - that's better - how many steps/mm?
anonimasu: shit... got for the 3m/nS
that's only 32k pulses/sec
so a period of 0.00015625 would be great
not that you'd get exactly that number...
I went for 0.000012
can you move the mouse?
(with emc running)
no idea.. I run the interface remotely now..
can you get screen updates over the network?
wait a sec forgot to start the x server..
it's pretty fast also..
paul_c: I'd want more speed if possible... :)
get external step generation hardware :)
well I have a better box for this if I hit the limit
SWPadnos: got money saved for a vital card..
processing speed doesn't help much after a point - I/O is a nearly constant time operation
anonimasu: What CPU speed ?
a pIII 500
are using X with VNC or running a remote GUI with NML ?
"CPU Speed? Are you on crack or what, it's an XT!"
hm.. nah it didnt save my file
anonimasu: Disable X on the EMC box and run a remote GUI
bung a 2.GHz processor in there, and you might get 6�Sec for PERIOD
hm, I have a 800 waiting as replacement..
but well, I could do that also..
just remember.... As the cache size goes up, and the pipelines get deeper, the jitter will increase.
and avoid Intel 8xx chipsets.
hm f3000 works now.
wonder what happens at 200% feed override.
hm, although the GUI is too laggy..
damn... love this new KB and mouse... bought the wireless MS keyboard and mouse bent (not natural) kb.
[19:48:19] <Alpha1125> http://www.jnetronic.com/ms_wireless_desktop_comfort.jpg
I have a older natural keyboard pro
Eeeww... Foreign keymappings
Alpha1125: Keyloggers are much easier when wireless =)
PERIOD = 0.000014
works loads better..
Jymmm... OHOOOHHH! I'm worried. :)
anonimasu, I have three oldnatural KBs... the wires die on me.
Alpha1125: If I'm within 100 feet, be afraid, be VERY afraid!
Alpha1125 is now known as A-L-P-H-A
A-L-P-H-A: are you abusing them?
Jymmm, bah. I'm underground... and unless you've got an omni directional antenna that's able to pick up signal from my basement... sure. :)
anonimasu, no... I type with the KB in my lap... so I always move the KB around, and the wire dies... I break the wire where the pigtail is.
A-L-P-H-A: Got Yagi, will travel!
brb testing the machine..
A-L-P-H-A: Well, lets put it this way... my radio isn't "stock" >:]
I highly doubt my neightbours are that tech savy...
they're all kinda white collar 50+ types
A-L-P-H-A So, you think you're limited to your neighbors? That is a MOBILE radio.
how sensitive can it pickup? I'd be surprised if the KB put out enough power after 15ft.
A-L-P-H-A: I'm not transmitting, with a half-ass designed yagi, I can pick up almsot anything.
what's a yagi?
a unidirectional antenna
so you'd have to point it at my KB.
Eh, sorta. I'd use two antennas. one to detect a signal, and the other to receive the data strem
that radio has a mini spectrum graph
so I can see activity across the band
A Yagi-Youda antenna is just a linear log-periodic element arrangement, right?
SWPadnos: where in the hell do you come up with that question?
just thought of it :)
(I couldn't remember the specific type for a Yagi)
SWPadnos "Please step back to planet earth at your earliest convience
no - I won't go
no not go, COME BACK!
you're assuming I originated on Earth ;)
SWPadnos like hell I am
SWPadnos more like pluto, cause your fucking goofy! =)
my last company made radio remote controls, and I'm an electrical engineer - it's just been a while since I've dealt with radio
SWPadnos Just KISS
personally I like J Pole antennas for u/vhf
they just work
I dont get this..
the feedrate isnt that fast...
even though I increased *
might be the limit..
the minimum step width is PERIOD/2, if there's no setup / hold time
hm I had a max_velocity in the TRAJ config..
if hold time is higher, the max step rate is slower (also you need to look at the max feedrate for both TRAJ and AXIS_n)
SWPadnos btw you can easily make a yagi out of a piece of wire =)
yeah - I was thinking of the antennas with different-sized elements
but I don't need any antennas right now :)
what antennas are you talking about?
SWPadnos: Well, you can load elements too
not sure really
alex_joni haxoring A-L-P-H-A's new wireless kybd
I'm sooo worried.
why is that?
alex_joni because we can
03alex_joni * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: added i18n support to tkemc
While most have never played with this one, I kinda like it for a CYA antenna --> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F008%5F009%5F001%5F002&product%5Fid=20%2D043&MSCSProfile=745D84CBF04D14A48AA6FF9C89D722C0BA68C1B04FE384678A5285FCD6E056B17AF21627FDABE316B90B3C038D68EBD6B7F9F3BD1712EAA9951ACB2590A05C6517EFE46941FEFDD1985D4EFD6321F5E70B4DE9B6C1D45512DCD9FB3DBCACB94772B577474E45C09E9C08998309939B420AB03F0A8F8DFE57A04A7C904
that's one of the largest links I've ever seen
anyone interested in running tkemc with a romanian interface?
03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/po/ro.msg: Romanian translation for TkEmc. In order to create a new translation, copy this file to your locales name(e.g. en_US.msg) and edit the second strings. Leave the first ones (english) untouched
Well - no, not really :)
thought so ;)
though I could ask if my father can read it (similar to Russian or Yiddish, right?)
* Jymmm would much more prefer a ancient/ lost dialect more than anything else
more like italian
Maybe I can get my cousin to translate to Sanskrit or Aramaic
or Elmer_Fudd interface
SWP: my cousin could do old greek, coptic, old syrian, ;)
Texan, or RedNeck ?
all are available automaticelly at http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
"If you code emc, you might be a redneck"
translated to Swedish Chef: "Iff yuoo cude-a imc, yuoo meeght be-a a redneck"
* alex_joni likes Swedish Chef
heh - check out the boo-a-minute and movie-a-minute reviews - they're pretty funny
* Jymmm sighs.... When you post a photograph to the web... USE SOME LIGHT WHEN YOU TAKE THE SHOT!
unless you're fat, ugly, naked, and photographing a shiny object
then use a deflector... card, paper, or anythign to bounce it
I really do understand that ppl can't always afford a $400 flash, but it's really not that hard to setup a light and a piece of cardboard.
03gspy 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/emcstepper.c: eliminated unnessary i/o write in phase drive code
good cardboard can be hard to find
SWPadnos even paper towels or toilet paper work in a pinch
not use dtp you dumbass!
(did I mention that those radio controls we used to make were for photography? :) )
hm I cant seem to find a sensible accel..
SWPadnos My camera use an IR remote control.
IR == crap, especially outdoors or under fluorescent light
but, at short range, it's fine for a lot of people
SWPadnos Even worse they placed the sesnsor in the fRONT of the camera so can't be used from any direction.
yeah - it's for taking a picture of yourself, without using a timer
SWPadnos OH HELL NO.... Nikon D70
Oh - that's a good one.
If you'd gotten a D1 or D2, you could have had a radio module built in
(for only $2000 more :) )
+ the SB800 flash and 18-70mm, 70-300mm lenses
yep - I have the same 70-300 lens, I think
I haven't been able to buy a digital camera yet - never good enough in my price range
yeah - the cheap plastic one
plastic mount, yeah. I want a 1200mm lens =)
SI bought a 1200mm f4.0 lens from Nikon
it was $96k
they spent $2k for the case (actually, they bought two lenses and cases)
might as well toss on a telescope instead
I think they wanted it for football games
anyone know off the top of their head the amperage I can put thru a DB9 connector?
1-2 amps / pin for sure
SWPadnos: Ah, ok. I'll have to ask a friend of mine, he's contracted by the NFL to take photographs for them.
Ah - I don't know the NFL photographers
1A, so probably not a good idea to use it for connecting motors to the driver?
just most of the SI, national geographic, NBA, and hockey guys
Jymmm: use 1 / motor
and use 2 pins for a wire
"could" go up to 4-5 amps
how much do you need?
Well, single motor can use up to 3A/phase, correct?
depends on the motor
seen steppers that easily do 10-20 Amps
so what you ppl using, molex?
I use harting at work
but that's pretty expensive
amphenol circular military connectors
(even more expensive :) )
and weight more than the motor!
yeah.. the green type?
and cost more than the motor
* alex_joni shivers when he hears MIL
I guess I could use DB25 instead
you could use disk drive connectors
and.. I still gotta do my service ;)
Jymmm: or HDD/FDD power connectors
alex_joni only 4C though
keyb conn is pretty tough too
the old AT type
used on old stereo systems too
could handle 2-3 amps /pin
WTH? CAT5 --> http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_9658751/solo%27s+stuff/Y+axis.jpg?bccuzPCBtbFt4WHX
that's silver satiin, even worse
oooh .. that's bad
cat5 should handle 1-2 amps / wire
but not more
and voltage will drop
maybe cat5 can, but I dont thick a RJ45 can
I did an POE once
12V in (5V regulator on the other end
at 30m I had 5V drop on the wire
@ 1.5 amps
This is an interesting Z axis mod http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_9658751/solo%27s+stuff/Z+axis.jpg?bccuzPCBpDA06vc4
OH GAWD..... http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_9658751/solo%27s+stuff/controler.jpg?bccuzPCBw7MyjWdY
I wouldn't use that machine as an example of what to strive for
Well, I'm hitting pics of what others have done (for ideas), and I have to say the most shitty ideas I've come up with so far are WAY better than anything I've seen yet.
You know, all the cnc routers I've seen are all moving gantry, it seems to me that moving table would be better. any thoughts?
why not both?
too big - that takes 4x as much space as a moving gantry
alex_joni you just want to get to XXX dont ya?!
I'm going to bed
tough day tomorrow
ahh.. just remembered
one more mail to the list
I'm sorry, but that just looks like an accident waiting to happen http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_9658751/controller+box.jpg?bcMB0PCBxuRJTuGT
it might be less dangerous with the cover on.
Eh I doubt it. looks as if the driver board can flop around
No request appeared within a reasonable time period.
that's what yahoo said ;)
the URL worked for me
well - isn't that nice?
anyways.. now I really go to sleep
laptop is worn out (no more batteries)
If I bought this, besides a set of endmills, what else would I need? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44991
I would go for the collet set and the holdown clamp set
wth "drawbar not included" eeeesh
drawbar should be std with the mill... it is used to hold in the drill chuck as well
* Jymmm assumes nothing, but you're correct (jsut read the manual)
LawrenceG the 12/24pc clamp, or more somehting like this? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90752
I didn't do it, I may have thought about it, but it wasn't me.
we'll find out in court :)
gezr video never lies!
gezr and I dont care how much video editing equipment I have, it never lies!!!!
ok mills, collets, and clamp kit. anything else?
man, this $450 mini-mill is getting expensive!
then add the $5000 for a real mill, and it's really expensive!
Jymmm an HF mini-mill?
imagine what a large one would cost
($3700 for a full-size one, 1ph 2hp)
03paul_c 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/qemcstatus.cc: File changed. New revision:qemcstatus.hh
or 38848, and ad da phase converter
add a ...
but then you'd be better off with a used Bridgeport off eBay
SWPadnos one word.... A P A R T M E N T
that's 9 words :)
SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
SWPadnos_: It's one BIG word!
that's REALLY REALLY SMALL!
Jymmm that is dinky
pfred1 hense the word MINI-mill
Jymmm this is close to the one i have http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33686
pfred1: I tell ya what... I'll buy that oen if you come over here and carry it UPSTAIRS (706lbs)
Jymmm I've moved mine
[22:24:43] <pfred1> http://188.8.131.52:10000/wood/cshop/Mill/millfront1.jpg
over a car
pfred1 you must have a CNC crane overhead... how else can you even get to the machine =)
Jymmm heck I put it up onto that stand too
actually I built the stand under it it was a little spooky
pfred1 looks like it BARELY fits on the stand (but I was commenting on there being NO PATH to walk to the machine, you must get to it via AirCNC)
ah you can get to it
I just milled a cool pocket with it the other day
* Jymmm can picture pfred1 attaching a winch hook to his belt, and a long corded wand carrying to the mill.
Jymmm my next shop I'll have a trolley crane in it
kinda like those crane stuffed animal games
pfred1 and WHAT THE FUCK is this shit?!?!?!?!?!?! http://184.108.40.206:10000/wood/cshop/Mill/hint.jpg
bailing wire clamping 2x4's together?
please tell me that wasn't a make-shift beam
Jymmm no i had to cut that away to put up a gantry houst
you used that to lift somethign heavy?
no I cut it away to put up an I beam
I couldn't lift the beam over it you know?
Jymmm that looks like this now http://220.127.116.11:10000/projects/armsaw/pa130002.jpg
and whats with the router being clamped to the mill?
higher spindle speed
makes for cleaner cuts in wood
like this http://18.104.22.168:10000/wood/cshop/Mill/routercut.jpg
the mill spindle is raggier
oh so your just reuseing the XY table is all
sure why not?
makes sense, just weird to see at first glance
Mmmmm lap joints
nah that's a dado
oh the fix?
I did that with my radial arm saw
yeah, i like em, just dont see em used very often is all.
radial arm saws?
ah I donno I use them now and again
I was doing some mad woodworking this weekend
I fixed up my grinder bench top
LOL.... My gf just got back from the grocery store with "Coach Carter" dvd.
I got a buddy who's a mamber of netflicks if I want to see something I ask them to get it :)
Yeah, we have netflix too. We originall had it, then tried blockbuster, then wen tback to netflix.
netflicks is cheaper isn't it?
just this week too
more expensive, but WAY faster
Jymmm you ever rip the DVDs?
but only by $2/mo
The first time I tried, the audio was funky.
it's an art not all are really rippable
but I think I need to leran the setting s better.
I use mencoder
I also tried from my laptop too, so that might of had somethign todo with it
I used dvd shrink (its free)
I use that to backup kids dvds
mencoder is free
give nephews the copy, they destory em, burn another copy.
I can rip a movie to the size of a CD
I make a sample of one
bbl need to bring up grocerys.
ok, groceries are put away
pfred1: hey, your clamp kit is too neet to have been used http://22.214.171.124:10000/wood/cshop/Drawers/p3060007.jpg
Jymmm yeah setup stuff is nice to have
I used to make clamps
I have to take a pic of the one i still have
pfred1 how do keep your whiskers from getting caught?
sometimes they catch on fire
pfred1 cause you be a pack rat =)
well you need material to work on stuff
pfred1: True, but NONE of my tools have a 1/4" layer of dust/dirt on them =)
you obviously don't sand or grind very much then
this has NOTHIGN to do with work dust
or plane for that matter
[23:36:13] <Jymmm> http://126.96.36.199:10000/wood/cshop/tools/p9290025.jpg
well sometimes i don't close the drawer
I'm just playing =)
Jymmm here ya go for dust http://188.8.131.52:10000/wood/cshop/Tplaner/tpl1-001.jpg
pfred1: Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, that's nothing... Our parrots do that in an hour!
wood, plastic, whatever
they make 30 gallons of dust in an hour?
three of em
oh and cardboard too
so your parrots look like this? http://184.108.40.206:10000/wood/cshop/Tplaner/tpl-005.jpg
sorta, but they are kept in a paper bag to keep the chips from going everywhere
untill they chew the bag up
we have to buy em wood by the case!
pfred1 what was this used for? http://220.127.116.11:10000/wood/cshop/rippal/rp-008.jpg
Jymmm the pallet wood?
oh just to break pallets apart?
oh my pallet busting tool?
it's a piece of 3 inch C channel I cut on my mill and welded those legs onto
you bash the top with a hammer it works well
cool, just wasn't sure what that was for
it's for popping up pallet deck boards
you see the other pic of it?
[23:45:59] <pfred1> http://18.104.22.168:10000/wood/cshop/rippal/rp-006.jpg
how old is this? http://22.214.171.124:10000/wood/cshop/newshopix/shop-001.jpg
I made that
I don't know how old any of the parts are I found them here and there
the left spindle looks old, like water powered at one point
it has a zerk fitting on it so I don't imagine it's too old
strangely enough ... the guy in the unit next to mine just repaired a pallet buster
robin_sz it's big busines
this one had a 4 litre diesel
yeah I'm not at that level yet with it
I can olny do maybe 8 pallets in a day :)
yeah pallet rebuilding
theres a pallet yard ..
they buy in random pallets
did you know that 54% of the hardwood production in the US goes into making pallets?
and send out 1000x1000
crap ones get mulched
so more than half the hardwood harvested ends up being pallets!
well you have to have them to ship merchandise on
Jymmm: there is a solution
robin_sz plastic skids?
Jymmm: and its being widely adopted in your country
just think you have $50,000 worth of product you have to put it onto something
import from china.
pallets in .eu tend to be softwood
I have seen plastic pallets now, made from recycled milk jugs
I make cool stuff out of pallets
[23:50:46] <pfred1> http://126.96.36.199:10000/wood/projects/SpringBoxes/allpix3.php
robin_sz yeah then the boards are thicker
pfred1 this is from pallet wood? http://188.8.131.52:10000/wood/projects/SpringBoxes/sb-003.jpg
that's like white oak
nice wood in them pallets huh?
far too good for pallets :)
ah it all looks like crap when you pick it up
in the .eu pallets only have 75mm wide boards
no wide board
here's what i do with the softwood pallets make bigger stuff out of them http://184.108.40.206:10000/wood/projects/trunks/trunks.html
man, that's just sad
being as the wood is thicker i can joint it together
anyway .. the pallet crusher feeds a conveyor to seperate out the nails
I've researched how the commercial pallet busters work
you just mix up wood and horsepower :)
or a mixed up laborer and a crowbar :)
or the kid next door for $30
yeah but he'll give you toothpicks
hydraulics would be the baby
it's not easy to get the wood apart without splitting it
robin_sz yes http://220.127.116.11:10000/wood/cshop/rippal/rippal.html
and the 2x4's in pallets are hardwood too?
* pfred1 has discovered the power of hydraulics!
Jymmm yeah but they usually have fork cutouts in them
sometimes they don't
or you can rip the cutouts off and just glue them up
man i wonder if I got a pic of this one bench i made out of them?
it came out sweet!