I can never get my linux shell to scroll back.
I don't know if I can handle 2 of alex<g>
shift-<pg-up>, but it stops working if you switch consoles (the buffer is lost when you switch)
SWPadnos, nothing I can do with that, on a "screen"?
I mean, using screen, just won't allow for anything then?
you mean running 'screen', or on a text-mode console screen?
running the command "screen"
I don't know anything about using screen
(though I'd love to learn someday)
oh... well... if you have a linux shell you should use screen,
I know, but I don't :)
I don't really have servers that I want to use from different locations, or machines that I want to leave processes running on, so it's not quite as useful for me
there's another one o me.
three is too many
now, if I could make ircII look pretty.
A-L-P-H-A, I get back commands on all terminals. Even those on F1...F6
rayh, via shell? on my local system I can... but not via a shell.
Works for ssh on the local network here.
hmm... I couldn't here. strange... I'm ssh (via putty) to my shell, and it wasn't doing much
I wonder if putty strips some of those things.
dunno... i'll later.
more important thing is getting a digital tachometer running. :D
putty? putty is an SSH client for win32
rayh strip what?
A-L-P-H-A putty I'm far too aware of =)
The back stack of commands in a terminal
rayh, not the commands.
but the scroll log/text
like in ircii.
Oh, that is an option in the setup
what setup? screen? putty? ircii?
this is the scenario.
but are we talking history or scrollback?
login via ssh -> screen to start a session -> start ircii. log off.
using screen ?
log back, reconnect to that screen session after some text has been posted... try and scroll back/up in ircii. doesn't scroll up.
history is lost
I don't use screen enough to be sure about that, but putty does have a long scrollback if you set it up correctly.
yes, putty I can scroll up.
But I would suspect that is a setting of screen moreso than putty.
I'm trying to reget the data that is from the server's history, not putty's
putty doens't keep scrollback once disconnected.
thanks Jymmm. :)
check manpage to see if screen has a cache setting
there has to be some command that screen can send to putty to say "Hey there's scroll back here if you need it"
just as if you had cat a log file
That may not be a bad idea.... do that first and see if your succesful
if so, then it's ircii
at least it'll narrow down where the problem is.
SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
anyone here happen to know c++ rather well?
i need some help bringing the nist step class library up to date. i have most of it done. the problem now is with strstream.
robin_sz ya old dog, how the hell are ya!
todays fun was trying to ride the motorbike over a freshly ploughed field
I hope it was not a street bike
then whats the problem? That's what hoses are for =)
and high-pressure nozzles
well, it was fun, but we ket falling off
nah, going slow
robin_sz hint.... the right lever is the BRAKE =)
had the three kids on too
at the same time?
Oh man, I'd love to have shot that!
Have 300mm lens, will travel!
the trick is, never to use the brakes, they just make you crash
well, rear break is a good thing - helps prevent the rear end from sliding out on ya. But I guess you have to have something for the rear tire to have traction on too =)
well, I never found a use for the rear brake
I've only ridden street, and it helps big time
really? for what?
I use occasionally in the wet I guess
prevent the rear end from sliding out on ya, like on wet or loose gravel pavment
but in the dry, I never touch it
or fucking anti-freeze
thats worse than oil
thats why race bikes run plain water
I dun know, bike + radiator just doens't seem right for some reason.
only way to get the heat out
watercooled is way better then aircooled..
anonimasu eh, it's just an old-skool thing is all =)
aircooled is OK for low performance things
air-oil was a interesting thing too
* anonimasu is more interested in the high performance..
never heard of air-oil
its what bmw uses
early Suziki GSXR's
I had a GS450 years ago
my GSXR 1100 was air/oil
others used it too,
Heh, the oil thing I think of when I hear air+oil is EPS =)
most cars do that to keep the engine oil cool..
but they got water channels also..
Heh, the only thing I think of when I hear air+oil is EPS =)
most bikes use the viscosity of the oil to operate a pressure relief valve, the releif valve splits which goes back to the pump striaght, which goes through the radiator
instant thermostat :)
EPS == Expanded polystyrene == Styrafoam == whipped oil
of course, some idiot will use a non-specified oil and overheat it ...
* anonimasu love full synthetic oil in cars on the winter..
it was fun the GSXR ...
fairly powerful but a chassis that flexed too much
quite easy to get it slapping and flapping
but it did monowheel nicely, especially two-up. I dont think my wife appreciated that ;)
I got a RGV250 racer after that, now, that bike handled! ... what a chassis. totally solid. totally predictable. useless as a roadbik I expect, but as a race bike it was great.
* robin_sz quite reminiscing baout bikes
sigh .. I'm gettingbored waiting for the next G200X software release ... its been .. weeks.
isnt it gpl?
I need a bike..
ages and ages. release early release often
yeah its GPL
I should call up max and order more bike parts
but Steve is way ahead .. pointless doing much until he commits a release
ive been trying to decide what to do with my money, so I havent done any work at all
robin_sz : thats probably a good place to be in ya know
I just wish hed release
when he knows its time :)
he does the "I have just a couple more things to fix" ...
I have a I think too much on my plate again, and ive become stagnate again
but like I care .. I'll take something incomplete and work on that
I keep thinking there is going to be a dac card soon thats really inexpensive or something come along
the G200X has DAC and ADC ;)
oh spat, icecream truck is going by just now, I should go get a bombpop
robin_sz : does it have feedback to computer?
or put the PID system on the G200X
its close to ANSI C, stuff seems to port easily enough
anyone identify this card?
[20:33:34] <robin_sz> http://www.plasma-profiling.com/acatalog/Multi-axisPciMotionControlCard2200x127.jpg
4 axis step or servo
circular, helical and linear interp
robin_sz: could ya have a smaller pic by chance?!
bugger. my rack of servers seems to be uncontactable
that's umm not good.
oh well, it seems to be the whole datacentre .. probably just some idiot with a digger found the cable.
who's an AVR ASM guru? http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Electronics/Digital_Tachometer/Tachometer%202.png
anyone want to comment on the logic?
worked on that all morning.
Ahh. That looks better than "Newbie" :-)
Hi Robin. Tnx for replying. Just installed. Now I know it works.
wanna check something for me please?
[21:09:42] <A-L-P-H-A> http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Electronics/Digital_Tachometer/Tachometer%202.png
want to comment on the logic?
brb... gonna grab a beer.
the test conditions maybe not be correct, the you should understand what it's trying to do.
I don't really get why you used 2 timers
but.. I have an excuse
the two times.
I dont really understand why you didnt just buy a tacho ;)
it's almost midnight.. and I'm pretty tired :)
so if the RPM is like 25,000 rpm, it's not oging to try to update the LCd that many times in one minute.
next, build a dynamometer ;)
sounds kinda ok.. I would do it simpler
that's already pretty simple...
take your update time
make it fixed
count the ticks
robin_sz, can an off the self one do RS232? TTL? and have a nice blue glass Green LCD screen?
one while, use the timers as counters
alex_joni, that's what the thing does.
TimerOverFlow0: Reach say 1/sec display, then the mainloop goes and displays something.
I was told to not try and do too much within interrupts.
where's Interrupt 1 ?
A-L-P-H-A: ive never needed to do any of those with a tacho ... always been too busy hanging on to the handlebars :)
Intterupt1? not used. I'm using Interrupt 0.
then what's Timeroverflow1 ?
and I have a VFD on my lathe
robin_sz, I don't touch the handle bars, unless I'm doing stuff manually.
doesnt your VFD give rpm?
robin_sz, that's the next project... as well as a PWM DC servo speed controller.
I don't have a VFD (isn't that for AC?)
alpha: what's TimerOverFlow1 ?
we went through this yesterday didn't we?
hm, who posted the IBM screen here?
the one that requred multiple DVI outs
aj, TimerOverFlow1? that's the counter... TC1 (timerclock1) is only 16 bit... I need a 32 bit value.
I was wondering why you need 2 overflows
TimerOerflow0 & 1
TC1 is actually the clock cycles between Revolutions.
TC0 is use to display the result to the LCD.
I see what it's used for
so .. lemme get this straight
you have an int0
that's external interrupt
generated by a tick (e.g. revolution on the drive)
and you count (timer0) the counts between ticks
I count Timer1 between ticks.
Timer0 is just an overflow... so when it overflows, it allows for the display to be updated.
Timer0 controls the refresh of the LCd.
so you do use 2 timers
that's what I asked all along
one for display
one for counting the time between ticks
looks ok to me
I wouldn't use such a mix in a logic
asm & logic .. not very pretty :)
either stick with pseudocode... or stick with asm
* alex_joni prefers pseudocode for such a task
but this is psuedoASM. :)
rjmp is not pseudo ;)
jump is pseudo
Why not use a bicycle computer?
Einar, can an bicylcle computer do 25K rpm?
hmmm... fast bicycle :))
Dunno. Do you need that high. Then put a prescaler in front of it..
yeah.. a counter :D
I could just imagine the tire exploding do to the spinning force... imagine being implailed by hot rubber...
Einar, the timer is already prescaled at clockcyles / 64.
otherwise I'd need a 40bit value.
60 cm wheel = ~188 cm / turn
25000*1,9 m = 47500 m/min
Then set one timer to 4/100sec. Count up the pulses on another in the interval and present?
47.5km/min... 2850 km/sec. That's pretty fast.
= 2850 kmh
Einar, but then I can't scale that back down to like 1-120rpm...
alex_joni, if you're in the space shuttle. yeah.
You want one spindle to cover 0-25K RPM?!?!
Einar. no... but the tacho to yes.
that's what? mach 3 ?
What torque will you get at low RPM?
Einar, different machine.
I have a spindle doing 60K RPM, but below 30K it can just turn, not cut!!
I can use this one the highspeed spindle on my lathe... and then on my mill, and then on my lathe headstock as well.
slightly slower than mach 3 (3380 kmh is mach 3)
A-L-P-H-A: if a mini can do it.. a bike might too
[21:31:26] <alex_joni> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3613715.stm
I want whatever was done to that mini.
You can have a high resolution at any speed, but then the update interval will be low.
ain't google a doll...
Einar... are you pfred1?
Am I what!!! I had a glass of wine...but still OK!
* alex_joni thought pfred was from the us
got you there :)
Einar: pfred1 is a guy that hanged aroung here
einar sounds scandinavian... right?
Ahhh.. No I'm Einar Sjaavik. On most places "ESjaavik"
I'm Norwegian, so you're right.
* alex_joni prods paul_c
alex_joni: pfred isn't even from EARTH much less US =)
Jymmm: don't wanna argue bout that
Einar: glad to have you around
Just got EMC4.20 installed on this box. And I can use it for IRC, not controlling my mill. :-(
maybe we could help?
aj, 'ight so I've got the seal of approval from two people... I should start coding it now... [horray for reusable bits of code]
I want to use Jon Elson's USB. Got help from him to pass some hurdles, but not all yet.
wasn't aware of that
Universal Stepper Board.
right... ppmc ?
I got some things going, but now I can't get out of Estop. (Heard that before?).
a lot :)
checked the ini file?
what display do you use ? tkEmc ?
Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
I tried Bridgeporttask. Actually did not expect it to work. And I was right.
Wanted to check my .ini, but the editor bobs out! Sh** probably because I installed IRC!?"#
use another one
=bombs. (I type with a fying pan!)
you should have a load installed
try .. vi, vim, emacs, mc, less, cat
I like nano a lot.
and a BUNCH of others
I like mc
actually I really like mcedit
don't argue with vi :D
but I'm used to edit
nano is just easy... last two lines are displayed are displayed as to what what commands are
[21:44:34] <gezr> http://www.kolumbus.fi/cadoras/shobary/Ennio_Morricone_-_For_A_Few_Dollars_More.mp3
Well Kedit works.. DISPLAY = tkemc.
vi ... the one true way
gedit if you're in gnome. :D
I use gedit
robin_sz... only if you're an uber linux geek.
and on windows ..
robin: got problems on redpint?
it has to be pfe
or is it just me?
vi is evil.
alex_joni: yeah, lost connectivity at the datacentre
HELP!! I started an editor war!!
you have to make smily faces to quit the damn program!
esc:wq is the ONLY vi command I know
so esc is how I get the menu.
there is a syntax highliter for cnc with vi :)
sweet... poker game tonight at 8:30. :D
ok.. enough abou teditors
time to will some money!
* alex_joni and Einar were talking about a faulty emc
Jymmm: heres two for you ... esc:q! (just get me outta here)
and to learn how to use the vim, just type in vimtutor
this channel is in the first stages of a successful project. still fighting about editors.
robin_sz tyvm =)
Einar: does it say anything about hardware limits?
Jymmm: and more usefully .. /someword finds "someword", pressing "n" moves on to the next one
robin_sz: Hey, is there a vi command simular to ESC:emc so we can say "were on topic" ?
you start emc by pressing a button?
or by running it from a shell?
Jymmm: there is no "on topic"
nevyn : hehehe, I dont know if I was fighting :)
ok.. do you see the output from emc (in the shell)?
robin_sz: yesterday the disc was about physics, so we got E=MC2 (back on topic =)
03paul_c 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/qemccommand.cc: File changed. New revision:qemccommand.hh
nevyn: I thought it was in the later stages of a succesfull project :)
emc2 needs lots of ram
paul_c : are you present?
gezr: no it doesn't
I had to comment out this: ; EMCIO = ppmcio
and comment the default one
Probably that is the problem.. it cannot read the Estop switch.
alex_joni : well I havent completely narrowed it down to just MEM but if I dont have enough free, my system reboots on emc start
I think this is the only channel I'm on that regularly has editor wars.
gezr: sounds creepy
I got a message it could not load the ppmcio.
yeah, thats only because we are nice on here
Einar: might not be there?
alex_joni : its really strange, amd k6/2 300.. 128m of ram
do you actually have a ppmc card?
would definately be a reason why you can't get out of estop
No. It's not. This is EMC BDI 4.20
I have a ppmc card.
either the executable is not found
or it runs and doesn't register with the board properly
or another reson
reason that is
* alex_joni looks at the BDI-4 code
After some help from Jon Elson, I could use the univstepmod. I had to force the Parport to EPP.
I think Jon worked hard on that board, and it works well from what I hear.
But I cannot find any ppmcio code at all.
[21:54:48] <Jymmm> http://www.evmes.org/
I have only good things to say about Jon!
I think we all do
But I don't know if he can help missing code. From the list I understand he does not run 4.20 himself.
Aw shit... SHA-1 has been broken
Einar: what does EMCMOT read?
is that a problem?
robin_sz BIG problem
used by .. lots of things ..
I kinda know what SHA is
It's a hash alogrythym
Jymmm: broken as in "found a hole" or broken as in "bruteforced by 3million pcs in 2 years"?
[21:59:17] <A-L-P-H-A> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/19/1424201&tid=93&tid=172&tid=218
SHA-1 has been broken. Not a reduced-round version. Not a simplified
version. The real thing.
This attack builds on previous attacks on SHA-0 and SHA-1, and is a
major, major cryptanalytic result: the first attack faster than
brute-force against SHA-1.
EMCMOT = univstepmod
Einar: url on /. ?
@Robin: What do you mean?
robin: wasn't einar who started on sha-1
robin_szL you want the REAL details?
Jymmm: just a url
"Using a modified DES Cracker, for the small sum of up to $38M, SHA-1 can be broken in 56 hours, with current computing power."
[22:02:07] <alex_joni> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/19/1424201&tid=93&tid=172&tid=218
Einar: what did you use for EMCIO ?
EMCIO = bridgeportio
that can't work afaik
do you have 2 parports on this machine?
No. The board is handled through 1 parport.
I know that... but bridgeporio assumes 2 parports
1 for stepper command, and the second for io.. so it doesn't feel like the thing you'd wanna use
and see if it runs
I just changed it to bridgeportio 'cause then it does not crap out during startup.
"The file plat/nonrealtime/bin/simio does not exist or is not executable."
check plat/nonrealtime/bin/ for files
what is listed there?
do you have build tools installed?
gcc & such?
No simio, no ppmcio, just minimillio & bridgeportio
What do I look for? I don't know how to copy the listing here.
I can see you don't have simio or ppmcio
paul_c just got back
paul_c when you get a moment
paul_c: Einar is trying to get bdi-4.20 to run with a USB
ppmc is not USB
Jon advised him to use univstepmod
bridgeportio, dumbio, minimillio are the ones ending in "io".
He did not directly. It was from the .ini file on his website.
And after running pcisetup, it does not crap out anymore.
(At that pont)
what about jiggilo? (almost io)
well... could spell as jiggilio.
nm... I'm just being silly.
jiggilo is a male prostitute.
ALPHA: that's gigolo
paul_c: any thoughts on advising Einar?
I don't see paul_c as being active
oh yes he is.
Einar: You culd try asking Jon why he is scared of using cvs
Am I right that univstepmod is the motion output, and xxxxio is the switches?
paul_c, have you thought aobut switching to subversion?
svn is not an option with SF
I would not be the right guy to ask him! I get the creeps from just putting a Lnux CD in the cupholder!
does SF support subversion?
well then.. subversion failed
subversion is good though
I agree.. but not in this case
well, ever wonder why so many projects move off SF?
* paul_c slaps alex_joni2 around with a small 50lb Unix Manual
paul_c has kicked alex_joni2 from #emc
guess alex_joni2 didn't see that one coming
I used svn on a project a while back and liked it
but I guess cvs has more public momentum
I tried Dumbio. It does start the GUI, but there is no connection with the hardware Estop.
alex_joni: tried tortoise CVS on windows yet?
arch or baz are the bomb
(Did not really expect it to.)
Ok, whos' in Berlin??? http://www.ccc.de/hackabike/
robin: can't remember
I remember using wincvs
didn't really like it
alex_joni: tis good. very good.
shell version is better
paul_c does the bot have a factoid db ?
Einar: use minimilltask & minimillio
to be honest, it works better in 'doze than cvs does on linux, which is a bit fscking annoying :(
* robin_sz relaxes about SHA-1
robin_sz: cvs? or something else?
nevyn: cvs, using Tortoise CVS on ;doze
robin: did you manage to use ssh cvs on doze?
with tortoise CVS ;)
apparently the emacs CVS integration is very nice.
* alex_joni is getting tortoise
@Paul_c: Then I get the GUI. But it does not see the hardware Estop.
[22:28:57] <Jymmm> http://www.tortoisecvs.org/
make CVS pleasant to use
is that a client?
Einar: You'd probably be better off talking to SWP_Away when he isn't...
Who is SWP?
a guy ;)
stephen willie padnos iirc
OK. Do anyone here know if the univstepmod have been tested with 4.20? I got the impression it was.
What I mean is not just that driver, but the full setup with universal stepper board.
who gave that impression ?
Good question. The info is quite well spread out! But i think it was from www.linuxcnc.org.
It may have been from the lists though.
As I'm not part of the "core team" gleaning info is not easy.
I REALLY hope this isnt a power failure at my co-lo ... one of my boxes had 1 year uptime just 2 days ago
how did you celebrate?
damn it! this car is cheaper than my current car! http://autonet.ca/Facilities/story.cfm?story=/Facilities/2005/03/17/964047.html
sat in the server room and smoked a cigar? :-P
alex_joni: congratulatory emails to me and my co-admin from the box :)
we had 20 degs plus yesterday
now it dropped below 0
aj, same around here.
too big difference :)
62 f and sun is shining
now I gotta do math :(
math is your friend.
why can't you people go with the rest of the world?
unless it's converting dirty yank units to metric
paul_c you awake over there?
it's 11pm over where he is.
maybe he's having a spoted dick.
* paul_c throws a kipper @ Jymmm
paul_c no thanks! Does the bot have a factoid db?
jmk_away: how's everything?
Jymmm: what bot ?
what A-L-P-H-A said
mk: know the feeling
jmk even ;)
going on another work trip this week, mon-thur
I was last week
a lab in milwaukee wisconsin...
that's why I missed last sundays meeting
Jymmm: CIA-4 is just a cvs feed.
going to inspect an elephant-snot production facility?
what's a snot?
nope, a snot consumption facility
snot = the stuff that dribbles out of your nose
paul_c I thought it monitored other thigns too?
alex_joni: break an IGBT open some time
gonna be helping the production folks test the first few drives
robin: with a hammer?
or just current :)
690V, 705A, three phase
our robots will switch soon to 600V servos too
makes it easier/cheaper
if they start pulling 700A, worry.
only 380V rectified
why? you are only running a few kW
spares a power supply for them
and keeps the motors smaller
at the same torque
* jmk_away is confused...
why is that?
do you mean 600VAC motors?
many of the servo systems offer suprigly high voltages now
more oomph from a smaller package, same cost
[22:57:08] <Jymmm> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1487674,00.html
don't know for sure.. I only know the servos will run on 600 VDC power
ok, 600V _DC_ is for 380V AC motors
right now they run on 200V (smaller axes) 300V (bigger ones)
probably using 1200V IGBTs
I was talking about 690V AC motors, using a 1000V DC supply and 1700V IGBTs
that would be overkill for anything less than about 100kW
1200V IGBTs are cheaper and have lower losses than 1700V ones
big (or small to you) IGBT's remind me...
I had some broken 330A 600V IGBT's
can't find any replacement for them
broken? as in blown up I expect?
some older I'R
not blown up... but shortened out
you may be out of luck
I am ...
second sources are rare for those things
I did try a lot...
they were (are) part of some welding power source (inverter part)
what were they used for? motor drive? welder?
20kHz or smthg like that
the 1700V ones we use need a 30% derate at 4KHz, and are pretty much worthless at higher speeds
best rating is at 2KHz
jmk_away: Baldor supply as standard 160, 300, 650 bus volts on AC servos
should be fast enough on big motors...!?
robin: sounds about right
160 = rectified 120V, 300 ~= rectified 240V, and 650 = rectified 480V
standard US voltages
alex_joni: yeah, 2K is OK for big motors... 4K is quieter tho
and 600 ~= rectified 400V (EU voltage)
can you hear it whine at 2k ?
yeah - we consider 380, 400, 415 all to be european voltages
we use the same hardware for 380 thru 480V
right.. it's pretty close
can you hear it whine? more like "is there anywhere where I can hide to get away from that gawd-awful noise?"
usually it's even 400 +/- 20% (320-480)
wow - we usually only do +/- 10%
+/- 20% on less "needy" equipment
10% is standard though
but a welding source (outputting 40V still works on 320 )
I did some real pulse welding the other day
60 amps base current
600 amps pulses
1.9 msec pulse time
380 Hz :)
did sound great
imagine that times 2
the PSU my mate did with IGBTs
the competitor runs at 3khz
6or 8u box
whistles like a kettle
so.. compact class :D
SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
my friends runs at 20khz ...
I'm really looking forward for a system we're about to get
the ferrite is tine
robin_sz I hope you dont live in this area http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,1410921,00.html
yeah, for a PSU where you provide the magnetics, it
yeah, for a PSU where you provide the magnetics, it's a tradeoff of more IGBT losses vs more magnetics
I'll get a Tandem weldign system (2x 600 Amps power sources)
can do 2x1200 Amps pulses
but for a motor drive, we have this bloody great inductor with a shaft sticking out of it, so no reason to use high frequency except to reduce audible noise
smaller drives do run at higher frequency, 8K, 10K, 12K...
jmk: I did a drive once (for a DC motor), and ran it at <1kHz
but the losses in a 500KW or 1MW drive would be to high for that
a small DC motor (10 Amps 24V)
sounded like a berzerk stepper
yeah fair point
yeah, for DC you can use fairly low PWM freq
was only in error, I changed it to 10 kHz
for AC you need higher, 2K is about as low as you can get away with
the only reason for using 20K was to get the phyiscal size low
robin: and to get out of hearing range
14k is pretty tough to hear
that was 10KW, right? so losses are managable
14K is easy to hear
well.. 20 is definately not
20K is out of my range for sure
we have something like 15KW just in losses, per heatsink (and two heatsinks per drive, water cooled)
I think I did a test once .. with a sine-generator
I can hear 15.625khz easy enough :)
connected to a speaker
got to 16khz or so
my hearing probably looks like a notch filter, with the notch at 4K ;-)
mine was ok to 18k or so a few years ago,
* alex_joni is going to bed
talk to you later today
as it's already sunday here
robin: tortoise looks great
alex_joni: good :)
damn, having my mail server down means I'll miss a whole load of viagra offers ...
I'm sure you'll muddle by somehow
dumbasses.... metalexpress.net just haven't got this internet thing down yet
register online, they use a secure page
then they mail you the password you selected in an unencrypted email
robin_sz: Don't tell us, explain it to your lover!
jmk_away: a common lunacy amongst web things
hmmm... no ray
His mind is elsewhere...
Just getting back to my stuff.
Still stuck here.
did you get my email from tuesday (about work travel)?
jmk_away is now known as jmkasunich
jmkasunich: want to talk shop ?
who is going to commit Ken's mods, and where ?