still trying to find a mug^H^H^Hbuyer for this CNC punch
plenty of laser interest though
robin_sz lots of wanna be Dr. Evils running around who want sharks with fricking laser beams attached to their heads
yeah, but nothtat manysharks have 3 phase
but smoke machines are what the people want.
they should just get more friends that party plenty of smoke then
if you were in the UK, Id sell you some :)
yeahh ha! .. my mate put the punch on ebay
someoen has bid on it!!
this is great!!
working, its worth 1000
dead its worth nothing
and .. this idiot is going to pay us to have the fun of removing it!! awesome!!
[00:08:46] <robin_sz> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40003&item=3879168726&rd=1
I *lurv* ebay
you'll make more on removal than the selling price too! lol
well, removal we guessed at minimum 500 GBP
we wont charge ema penny for removal ...
thats their problem
it weighs at least 7 or 8 tonnes
[00:11:38] <robin_sz> http://i22.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/8e/13/4b_1_b.JPG
ok $1 per pound
thats a 1 gallon thinners can for scale
solid cast iron :)
2nd posting of found wallet. No real response to it. I've done my good deed.
does it have money in it?
rob_melb: descbrie it and contents
robin_sz : describe it and contents
robin_sz: I dun know, does it?
wallaet with money. then money is paper and .. umm
just send the money, you can keep the wallet
I'm in the UK, I must have dropped it out of the window of the plane.
* robin_sz settles back and waits for the money
robin_sz: Ok, it's on it's way. COD $28
robin_sz: Did you get it yet?
if it by chance has a nekkid picture of its owners GF, you could post it on the net to help people identify the owner
lol "Identify this person by presenting this person as seen here [nude photo] to claim faound wallet.
could be a scarry thing too
"well, yeah ... sure .. she looks a bit like the girl in the photo .."
"but I;d have ot see her naked to be sure .."
could be a trannie!
less the dredlocks, the white skin, the penis, etc
there's some awfully scary stuff running around out there
oh yeah, this is the SF Bay Area, we got those all over the place here.
people so warped they make pretzels look straight!
oh when you get into TG's it gets REAL confusing.
yeah demand birth certificate at the bar
hey it says here that you were born a ...
Was putting up a dating thing once, figured I'd be open minded about it and allow for TG, but dang the programming got bad and I said forget it.
Jymmm I never knew you were so progressive in your lifestyle!
Man, Woman, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, M2F4M, M2F4F, F2M4M, M2M4F
pfred1: I have tolerance for diversity, just not stupidity.
I have toelerance for diversity, but only if both chicks are hot!
Jymmm lots mistake ignorance for stupidity and that's their own idiocy but me I'd rather not know
ignorance is fine
I have tolerance for diversity long as they're blondes brunettes or redheads
ignorance is no excuse ...
thankfully its cureable
with google image search :)
ppl are dumasses becasue they choose to be.
we did a project once to classify girls names
They know better and just dont care.
some names are plain and dull
some are hot
lisa = slut
we used a simple classifier
oh, not that kind of classicifctation
you type the name into google image search
and count the amount of nudity on the first page
obscene gets two points
nude gets 1 point ..]
does nude pencil sketchs count?
yeah .. 1 Ids say .. 1 for bikinis etc too
what's bizarre rate?
christ knows .. 3?
Leah == 1 pt
lisa was 4
[00:35:35] <paul_c> http://images.google.com/images?q=miss+whiplash&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
[00:35:37] <paul_c> http://members.aol.com/classiquefemme/s_m_g_6.jpg
buffy the vampire shagger?
paul_c is that Buffy?
actually if it is sarah michelle geller she's OK
I think google must have cleaned up ... I remeber soem girls names scored 20+ when we did this a while ago
yeah google is going down the tubes
man some stuff on the Internet is just too strange
sure why not?
you should see the anime stuff... Now, that gets REAL weird
yeah I've seen oh what's it called?
there's a name for it
Um, when you replace a mill, bit, whatever, how do you typically recalirbate the zro fo the z axis?
I havne't seen any plans/designs that have a switch/sensor for that.
Jymmm: I use a feeler gauge between the tool and workpiece
or, if setting a bunch of toolholders the same, I loosen the setscrew and drive the axis down until the work pushes the tool up.
oh, so no automated way then?
I can't picture any automated way it could be done...
only if the mill was told about each tool.
robot arm with a feeler gauge in it cmon!
you can't picture that?
pfred1: your imagination is better than mine.
Jymmm: I set 0 to be one chosen point on the top of the workpiece. If you have a machine 0 and use offsets, you could probably do something smarter.
Yeah, I just can't think of a sensor that would work for various tools.
hmm I wonder why no one builds stuff out of fiberglass?
nah not marine fiberglass
circuit boards are fiberglass and lots of people mill them
heck I have to remember it for making CNC machine parts with
isn't the resin expensive and in two parts?
heck you can get gallon and hardener for $12
gallon goes long ways
wouldn't know, dont do firebglass =)
the mat and weave is pricier than i like it to be
man if you ever did it's miracle stuff
I've made fiberglass believers out of some people
but gawd aweful to sand down afterwords.... gets EVERYWHERE
for rough sanding I use disc on angle grinder rips it up
then fine i use a pneumatic DA
what kind of structrual strength does it have?
they make boats out of the stuff
like wall paneling or more like sheet metal?
boats take a pounding
but they have a frame to them as well.
not commercial ones
how thick is the fiberglass wall though?
.250 or 4" ?
anywhere from 1/4 inch to an inch and a half
glass is magic though and all you need to work with it is a brush and scissors
I wouldn't mind making a 12" x 12" x 36" box out of it
it it just wouldn't collapse
thing to do is to find the glass itself at a reasonable price like by the roll
Numerous cars are made from fiberglass
the resin is cheap
yes but cars made out of glass do have frames
and they don't take a pounding like a boat does
look at fiberglass antennas
how strong they are
different loadings, but some points are under high loads
* Jymmm has seen far too many SNAPPED fiberglass antennas
I been in cars and boats boats impress me more for the terrain they traverse
yeah but what'd it take to snap it?
not very much actually
I've beat frogs out of palm trees with them
plus they're too flexiable
I guess the ones I got better
Gonna have to leave you guys...
hasta paul_c have a good flight
nothing like a frog in a tree to keep you up all nite
water house seems easier
yeah I think that'd attract more frogs
hey look here's a tree with running water!
like at the carnival exploding balloons with a squirt gun.
eventually we resorted to bottle rocketting the tree
hey man you gotta sleep ya know?
run em off, but dont hurt the lil guys
man in frog season I guess you'd be housebound
can't avoid running them over going anyplace
it prety much rains frogs
Nah, just not into animal cruelty. If your hunting so be it, make it quick and as painless as possible.
I never swerve to avoid snakes either
they like running hoses over in the road
I've seen snakes that take up the whole lane!
heck for all I know they like getting run over maybe it's like a massage ot them?
I was able to slow down quick enough, but coulda hit a 6mo old brown bear cub that was on the road. I just laid on my horn long enough so he get well off the road so another car didn't hit him.
yeah in Maine we almost creamed a family of black bears
browm bears I never seen
I hear they're pretty bad!
Nah, there mellow enough.
yeah I'm thinking when I redo my gantry I may go with fiberglass though just to be different
pfred1: with resin or premade pieces milled down?
lay it up custom shape
do it like over a foam core form
figure it has to be better than MDF
be light and strong
the robot arm discussion lead me to this page where he's talking about materials but he fails to mention fiberglass which got me to thinking
ok guess i found an old 1.4 gig HDD will it work for BDI-EMC?
joe2000chevy you can do better than that
:( no not right now
its a second drive in my system (Old Old Laptop hdd)
joe2000chevy check out this classic I picked up at the dumps http://18.104.22.168:10000/new/Multimedia/PicsITook/JunkPCs/500/allpix4.php
the front end loader had already pushed it around some
this is my third machine i'm using
that's the scars in it
but work tho
1.4 gig big enought to run emc?
yea ur system
oh i donno I haven't installed it in a while sounds smallish to me
I think new EMC based on RH 7.2
well the new BDI
well its a cd run also so should be big enought
how much RAM?
new bdi based on debian
bdi-4 is anyway
eww say it isn't so!
and rh7.2 is so much better? it's ancient
hate their package management system hate their politics
no BDI is delbial
at least spell it correctly ;)
gawd guess I'll go with the rtai deal then
debian is the freaking worst linux distro
umm I LIKE debian.
yeah no one said you were normal
we can agree to disagree about this however.
nevyn and that's comparing it to?
nevyn like what other linux distributions have you used?
rh 5 7.2 8
did some admin on a suse box once
installed mandrake for a few friends
tell me about this suse admin
and fedora core 1,2 havn't played with 3
what version of suse?
and what was the adminning you did?
umm something to do with apache. it was a while ago
ah yes before my time with the distro not before my time with Linux though
and I've deployed hundreds of debian systems
potato -> woody and sid
I've seen people do things wrong for 30 years what's your point?
I donno I've run debian since before the movie came out and even the last time I tried it about a year ago it's still pretty horrible
pfred1: look debian is nice and clean where redhat 7.2 has poor package tools (yum doesn't exist and is really memory intensive) up2date
is no longer availible from redhat and you have to pay etc
oh i wouldn't run 7.2 as a daily driver system
but I'd take it over any debian I've ever seen
I think the current bdi requires something like 4gb?
yeah debian is a mess
before the movie came out?
nevyn Toy Story
pfred1: there's a lot in that bdi install
before the movie they couldn't very well name their releases after characters in it you know?
debian is probably the most popular distribution in melbourne's linux community
I been runing Linux 24/7 since 1995 and even I can't make heads or tails of Debian
it's different to traditional unix
there's a debian way of doing things.
so I can't imagine how a person new to Linux would look at it
this has advantages and disadvantages.
yeah it's called obscure
oh and politically correct
the advantage is I can walk to any debian system and know the basics of how it hangs together without spending 4 hrs working out the maze of twisty scripts the previous admin wrote for 4 hrs
I donno debian it's one of those htings like communism it sounds good on paper but fails in actual practice
the disadvantage is there's a learning curve on it ;)
the real disadvantage is after you've invested in learning you still just have Debian :)
well we can disagree about that being an advantage or disadvantage.
man debian is such low quality
the last time i tried it the stable branch the damned sound drivers the way they had it all packaged up it couldn't have worked!
the thing is debian is debian. whether it's on a embedded 386 or on a E10k it works just the same.
and it didn't
you know the code in your PC to make the sound card work?
pfred1: stable is a myth ;)
nobody uses stable for a desktop system
yeah seems like in Debian stable branch means the abandoned unmaintained branch
no it's maintained.
and security patched
it just doesn't get any new releases of software.
yup and the stuff that's packaged up with it doesn't work with each other
umm yes they do.
that's in fact the point of stable.
that you can do
apt-get install apache php3
I did extensive research into the problem I ran into and the versions that debian was shipping simply could not have worked together
and start writing apache scripts.
and start writing php scripts.
I basically got to the bottom of what was going on
and concluded if that was the first thing I had to deal with better to bale than find the next monstrosity
spend an hour everytime i want something to work no thanks!
what was the problem out of interest?
the alsa drivers on the stable didn't work with the module loader
there was no way in hell the module loader could have loaded the drivers
the alsa drivers didn't work with the module loader?
the module loader was too old
I have never ever seen such a situation with stable. hell I havn't seen such a situation with unstable
yeah well I guess some of us are more demanding than others
pfred1: so you installed kernel-image-blah and alsa-modules-blah and you couldn't modprobe snd_blah ?
when something's put together so slipshod as Debian is I swerve to avoid
did you use a shipped kernel or build your own?
nevyn this was like 2 years ago but yeah I basically remember it couldn't load the modules
I used all debian packages
and spent at least 2 hours in the #debian channel on this network with it all
if you built your own kernel then it's possible that stable didn't support the current kernel's module system this is true for woody
and we all finally concluded that it simply could not work
and yes the first thing out of everyone's mouth was use the unstable
I don't run Linux for my system to be unstable
unstable doesn't mean what you think it means
or very well care just how stable unstable actually is
unstable refers to packaging not software.
nevyn how do yo uknow what i think? are yo uthe amazing Kreskin?
yeah well if they can bork up stable I'd rather not know what unstable is
on top of it even if it did all work Debian sucks
Debian is great for someone who has nothing better to do than edit a script everytime they want something to work
me i want ot go to a PC turn it on and it simply works
and yes there are Linux distributions today that do just that
it's called MS-DOS 3.31
and no I don't think Debian will EVER join those ranks
there are. but I find them inflexible and they usually don't have the software I use.
nevyn I have yet to run into a flexibility issue with the distribution I prefer over Debian
ah, never tried it
oh and poorly constructed.
SuSE has the maze of twisty simlinks all alike problem
SuSE is about as poorly constructed as a Mercedes Benz
typicak of them rotten Germans!
Personally, I think X86 needs to be trashed and something new to come along.
Jymmm: XFree86 needs to go yes
suse is nothing short of unbelievable
yast2 is amazing
Xfree is *SO* old and really hasn't evolved as I believe it should have.
actually I believe suse is spearheading the new X
Jymmm: there has been some movement on that recently with the xorg stuff but it's still flawed.
How can Apple dev a GUI for FBSD, and OS can't ?
pfred1: interesting take a poll sometime of what distribution X developers use.
pfred1: I really don't think that's it.
I know keith packard runs debian on his systems ;)
one of the core X types.
Jymmm shame thoughts are so ethereal
nevyn yeah well I'm not keith packard
and furthermore i don't want to be keith packard
I want ot walk up throw in a CD and go!
no. but suse might be funding it but it's not what the X people use ;)
and so does everyone else!
pfred1: so do I . we just achieve it differently
I have never had the sorts of issues you describe with debian.
then I run sid almost exclusivly
I dont' know enough to run any *nix for a desktop.
man i want to install new software i have a nice gui I simply check off a box hit OK and it's done
none of this foul old CLI nonsense
pfred1: so use synaptic
get an apple
nevyn yast2 is easier to type
why are you typing just click it on the menu.
nevyn that's how i actually start the app but it still proves a point that Debian again makes htings harder than they need to be
pfred1: take a look at ubuntu sometime it's basically debian with a bigger base and gnome 2.8 and stuff I hated it.
yeah I can't stand gnome
another waste of effort project
something we agree on.
heck they can't evne beat the drum on the licensing issue anymore can they?
gnome lost the plot with the whole "let's remove features"
gnome's development direction is fundamentally flawed imo
shame too because there's a lot of good apps for gnome it's just that gnome itself is a failure
I use a few gnome apps. gaim most notably
as does jabber ;)
there's a lot of great gnome apps
jabber notifications for emc.
ok the hdd in in now
I should write that.
so it sends you an im if the machine stops runs out of material etc
debian i believe proves that yes you do need to pay people to do the drudge work
because I swear i can install debian today and it's no better than it was 9 years ago!
and that is sad
sure it's bigger
when did you install debian last?
bout 2 years ago
maybe a year?
not even sure was stable all I can remember
it lasted an afternoon
when i finally got to the bottom of the whole alsa driver issue it was gone
I found it all to be rather unnaceptable to me
and the look and feel still blew so
I wasn't going to spend 6 months fixing it up
ok every other distro I've tried has had.. annoyances that were so irritating I went back to debian after a week or so.
You know one (primary) reason I don't have it as a desktop; The last two times I had BEGIN to use it I had HW failure and there was ZERo advanced warning. At least with M$ there are clues.
I can install suse and pretty much hit the ground running for what i do
mainly lack of software of software built without options I use.
9:50pm up 72 days 10:14, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
I run Linux 24/7 as a desktop
pfred1: I was doing things I do in about 20 minutes from a blank machine with debian
13:55:04 up 22 days, 23:06, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
that system is used by everyone in the house.
my desktop get's turned off when I'm not using it just to reduce noise and power consumption
well for me I don't want to learn about 3 different scripts in /etc just to get a file server running so I stick with SuSE til someone makes something I feel is better
so we're where I suggested we start we disagree but that's ok ;)
and if debian is the best Linux has to offer it's no wonder marketshare is as low as it is
best for me best for embedded imho but not best for everyone
if Debian were a commercial product i sure as hell know I wouldn't want to be a salesman for it!
it's like trying to sell a horse on crutches!
debian isn't ment to be a commercial product it's a community distribution but it can be and is used as a basis for commercial distributions
you ever used knoppix?
nevyn nah i stopped playing distro of the week years ago
but is knoppix the CD boot debian distro?
it's a cd boot distro based on debian yes.
but it's not debian.
yes then I've heard about it
I wish IBM would quit screwing around and pay off RMS and Linus and just own it all
that's not going to happen.
and it'd be bad if it did.
heh it'd be cool if it did tho
see something we disagree on.
let's go back to bashing gnome ;)
really it'd be the best hting for open source and Linux
some direction is needed
hrm.. maybe this is the difference
I don't think IBM is in the best position to determine the future path of free software
neither is SGI or SUN or NOVELL and this is infact what happened to gnome
I abhor waste
and we agree on what a success that's been
I think gnome tanked themselves
sure there may have been accomplices but they'd have done it on their own too
Do must CNC controller/drivers require the computer (as a buffer) or will be ok if data is just stremed to it?
what happened to gnome is that Sun, IBM and Novell got involved in the 2.0 release and fucked it with HCI studies and made it useless.
SuSE defaults to KDE
my understanding is that the computer IS a CNC controller
Jymmm you mean motor drivers?
nevyn: s/computer/ethernet print server/
the driver is the the thing that runs the motor
Jymmm: ok I don't think that will work
Jymmm most parallel ports can't push out several amps in my experiences with them
in fact I'm almost positive that won't work.
nevyn: damn =) Worht a shot =)
nevyn drivers usually have step and direction inputs that don't care where the signals come from
WiFiCNC would been cool
Jymmm: the computer is required for the precise timing. you'd need to run the rtos on the printserver
nevyn you can drive it with a 555 IC
pfred1: right but he won't get the required timing resolution on an ethernet printserver
not evne if it caches the job?
ethernet is pretty damned fast
but you don't get the low level control to the printserver that's required
I'm pretty sure.
it operates in a more streaming type manner
you're introducing indeterminate timing into a realtime task.
think about input for a minute
so you hit an end sensor.
ok BDI is installing on the 1.4g HDD said about 925 meg.
you now have to encode that into a ip packet deliver it over the ethernet decode the packet before you can stop sending move motor stuff.
the problem is that this may take several hundred milliseconds
Hmmmm... collision issues too
hundreds of milliseconds very BAD.
joe2000chevy: this is BDI 4? or BDI TNG?
would be cool though.
Jymmm: you see what I mean?
that is TNG?
I thought so.
I'm still a little unclear about the versions availible tho
I do not know linux at all.
so i'm doing the BDI 4.14 emc it works good before
ok you dont seem so sure??
ok nevermind i will just do it
as in sure what works for you :)
and get with paul or Anonimasu
BDI 4.xx are the newest versions of BDI. BDI-TNG refers to some older versions, and BDI-LIVE came between BDI-TNG and BDI 4.xx
ok thanks for the explination.....
i guess thats all that had to be said
so 4.14 it is
4.14 is pretty new
can someone with web access fix the docs :)
no diff except a few drivers in 4.18
i do not need xfree right
not if you're going to use the keystick display
if you want to use axis or tkemc then you do need it.
i will prob. use mini
dont know what the keystick display is
mini requires X by the looks of it.
so you need xfree86 to use mini
your other options include displaying remotely on windows if you're brave ;)
yes eventually thats what i want to do
i had it that way with xp to xp
the only reason i want to go back to emc is it made my cnc machine run smoother to me, i left it because of the file sharing and remote access.
so now this machine will be dual boot and while i'm figuring out linux atleast i can use the windows xp with the router
joe2000chevy what sort of a power supply do you have for your motors?
as in being able to dump .nc files onto the controller machine?
yes, while i was installing now i see i needed to turn Samba on
12v for now
run it at force 20
joe2000chevy and what sort of port protection do you have?
joe2000chevy yes but what exactly is the power supply? is it like a PC power supply?
AXIS 1.0 has just been released. chris and I spent the evening fixing a number of small bugs. http://axis.unpy.net/
so are there circuits for converting step+direction to windings availible?
joe2000chevy yeah stepper motors put out hella EM noise
and where is a port protector?
joe2000chevy google optoisolator
i understand the feedback they can have
nevyn: cradek uses this board to take step+direction and run stepper windings: http://www.pminmo.com/l297-8/l297-8.htm
joe2000chevy they're cheap I haven't designed a board yet but I will soon
gawd L297 boards old skewl!
pfred1: which chip do you recommend?
jepler the one on joe2000chevy's board looks pretty cool
pfred1: I missed the URL
I used basically the same chip without internal signal generation
hmm I find it it's an allegro
l297+l298 = bipolar = good
yeah if you have bipolar motors
[03:42:52] <pfred1> http://www.allegromicro.com/sf/97060/
that's unipolar PWM
i think my hp motors are unipolar?
well some unipolar motors you can still drive them bipolar
true, im my case also
from everything i have read
but I'm not sure what it gets you over PWM
the 297s are like regular transsistors if I remember correctly not mosfets
pfred1: with unipolar you only ever drive half of a given winding (from the center-tap to one of the ends). with bipolar you drive the whole winding
pfred1: 297 is the controller, 298 is the H-bridge. I don't know about the transistors, but they are 46V supply, 3A peak
yeah you can make your own H bridge
thing is these modules it's cheaper
does anyone else have a remote setup with linux and say windows? other than Anonimasu?
l298 is not expensive. $4.17 qty 1 @ mouser
mouser is about an hour from me....
they are in Austin Texas, I'm in San Antonio
jepler I meant it's cheaper to buy a module than to make everything out of individual components
pfred1: my own stepper driver board was built on ULN2803, sure beats having discrete transistors, base resistors, diodes... (L298 needs external diodes)
and the things on the board joe2000chevy used are cool
they pretty much do it all you just give it reference voltage to set the current
yeah, l297/l298 you also set current with a reference voltage
no microstepping, though
just that joe2000chevy should put some heatsinks onto his
i have a fan directly on them, i tought them after say an hour and they are not hot.
joe2000chevy well just for them to get to their full rating they are designed to be heatsink mounted
that's what the little holes on the corners are for
and when yo udrive them higher voltage they may warm up a little more
yea, then i will need a heat sink
joe2000chevy BTW so far from what I've seen my rewinding a microwave oven transformer has come out well
i will dremel some cpu heatsiks for it
joe2000chevy keep your eyes peeled for a trashed microwave oven
and grab it!
to make a powersupply out of
well hell i have one in the shed
old microwave ovens have huge transformers in them!
can output like 1200 watts
make a sample and post pics?, people like me know nothing about electronics., however if you need land developed or GPS surveying i can do that all day long... lol
on my crappy rewind i was pulling over 5 amps and it was going well
I want to rewind it again a little neater see if it helps out some
well crap i get an error on the cd now when i install it ....
but even with my elcrappola rewind I'm pretty happy with how it works
joe2000chevy one hting I will tell you microwave transformers will give you healthy respect for electronics
them puppies like the back end of electric chairs!
joe2000chevy wb again
forgot to plug laptop in and it went into hybernation
i got an error on install
danger will robinson danger!
are there any linear steping motors ?
I've heard of them
I think medical uses them
hrm lockings gonna suck unless it's huge.
The Package kghostview-3.2.3-1.1 can not be opened. This is due to missing file or perhaps a corrupt package.
tho beware of steppers from medical equipment!
joe2000chevy you md5sum your CD image?
BTW yo udon't really need kghostview
well the only diff in this install than last one is the samba i clicked it on
how do i bypass this error?
deselect the package
damn linux... LOL
damn debian not Linux
clean the cd :)
its already clean
if you didn't install xfree86 it should have remove kghostview anyway
i installed it
i'm burning a new cd now
maybe i can just put that one in and hit ok
no freaking way SLA7052Ms are only $2.63 a piece?
joe2000chevy the chips on your driver board
I'd say for that device that's very inexpensive
SLA7060xM family is priced as follows: SLA7060M: $1.92, SLA7061M: $2.10, SLA7062M: $2.35.
well make a schematic and lets cut some boards... lol
the schematic is in the datasheet
on page 11
page 11 of?
download the pdf link left hand side of this page http://www.allegromicro.com/sf/97060/
that's what's on your board
the thing that says Data Sheet (PDF)
man i wanna see someone selling these in single units at that price
I think thomas register is full of it that must be in 1000 unit quantities
yeah newark want's $8.44 for one that's more reasonable
Supply Voltage Min.: 10V
and you're running at 12
so you're just above the minimum
if it starts to draw and drags it a little lower
mine is 12.14 i think
well you can imagine it's like trying to run a car on water
might not be as smooth as it could be
that and you really should buffer your parallel port
because the best thing stepper motors make is line noise
and computers don't dig line noise at all
well what do i get?
well there are commercial solutions
but you should just read up on what an optoisolator is
an 89 cent chip
and how it may be able to help you!
basically it's a row of emitters and detectors
electrically isolated from each other
but you can still transfer data
you can see how that cen be of help right?
save your parallel port from any blunders that you may inflict upon it
* pfred1 warms up the TV for The X Files ...
"warm up the tv" as in tubes?
as in B&W?
hrm I just recieved a letter.
"you have been selected ....
the thing is it's printed on a inkjet and claims to be from spain
nevyn: hurry up and send the check it asks for, I need the money.
although I dont know if it's good yet
Jymmm: it doesn't ask for a cheque
so the question is have these people committed an actual offence?
I know in the states this is mail fraud. but crossing juristictions probably makes it un fixable.
there's a bunch of reports.
nevyn: why do you bother with it..
they usually leave you alone if you ignore the messages they send..
nevyn: CNC Shredder
turn the letter into snowflakes =)
hm, I need to write this rotary encoder routine at work anyway.. so I have my jog wheel code for the plc done ;)
anonimasu: this is my first one that's a real piece of paper...
I've only seen emails up to now
we get loads of thoose at work.. whatever you do dont send it back.. :)
bbl.. going to work now
an0n is now known as anonimasu
* anonimasu Yawns more
how's it going?
just booting up the other boxes...
I am working some on my jogwheel program..
but it's going slowly since I am trying to work at the same time
I found a free (gpl) cad/cam system
2d only tho :(
you can take a look at brlcad (only CAD so far)
but 2d will do for my current project
is that the blender based one?
it's the GPL one ;)
ask narnia .. he's one of the developers
ask me what?
knock, knock, anyone home?
* alex_joni is on and off
Now this is f@'&.... ridiculous.... Find a motel, a central booking site.... Is the one I find bookable on line...
I'm currently looking for a 3d cad system
narnia: hwo useable is brlcad?
brlcad is very usable. there are over 20 yrs of development in brl-cad.
brlcad has been around for a long time. it just recently became opensource in january 2005.
nevyn: have a look at http://www.webersys.com/
nevyn: and if you need more info try prodding websys on this channel ;)
worked for me ;)
robin: how do you find the 2D stuff ?
alex_joni: undecided :)
the decision is not as easy as it seems
for plasma/2d I have three areas
that's not a bad thing ;)
1) shape generation (cad)
at least it's not a big disappointment ;)
2) nesting / path prepartion
I kina liked the way it behaves
3) machine control
darn... these typos
yeah, I have no real problem with it ...
argh, that is why i was getting spammed by webersys.com. argh
seems fine for cad and the cam works
a bit expensive though
i do think for 2d nesting there are better options though
the other question is really which bits to join together
cad and cam?
cam and control?
cad, cam, cae
Im leaning towards keeping the cam seperate
or how the testing is called
cad seerate I meant
cam & cae could go together (in an ideal system)
so multiple cad front ends, whatver the user is most comforatble with
then a combined nesting and machine control thng
as an option ;)
autonesting isnt worth the effort usually
except in very high productivity applications
but I really don't see why it's hard to do
its hard to do better than a human
if you do autonesting with certain rules...
to take care of warming of the plates & such
well.. then it's hard ;)
but not impossible
by very careful manipulaion I can always beat the autonester
depends on the number of parts you wanna cut
bayoff is I think ...
use "block" nesting
just a rectangle around the part
for large numbers of parts
manual nesting for complex shapes
whatever, im happy just with drag and place nesting
alex_joni: had a look at sheetcam yet?
some time ago
its got better
auto internal and external contours
I think 2 months ago
cool.... nice to hear that
you know what I would find ideal for nesting?
the same procedure schematics editors do
open a part
then click on the sheet where you want to place it
press R to rotate it before placing it down
maybe only predefined angles (15,30,45,60,etc)
I prefer to construct a job list of all the bits i need first
or scroll wheel to rotate it
that would be super easy to use
you should try turbonest from MTC
you'll fill a sheet in no time
it does exactly that
plus you can buy autonesting as an add-on
yup: no reason others haven't thought of it
seriously, if you have customers wanting nesting .. do consdier turbonest
I can only wonder how bad my grammar is today :D
I gave it some thought to use synergy for my robots
but I gave up (only 5 axes)
robot programmng is complex then
well.. 6 axes is basic ;)
the controller takes up to 18 axes
I've seen systems (built by cloos) with 4 synchronized robots (plus external axes)
that's a hell of programming :D
but programming is usually simple (teach-in)
know what I want to make... a RC helicopter.
alpha: I got smthg for you ;)
I looked into this some time ago
there is a flying object (with 4 propellers)
on a frame
you can controll it better than a helicopter
I know those.
easier to fly too.
I'm just really interested in the swashplate.
just looks like something I could make with relative ease
but you need some nice gyros
those I can order online, or from digikey. not sure which is cheaper.
a bunch of them ;)
thought I only needed 1
1 three axis one
or 3 sepparate ones
I think a 3axis one is like $90CDN.
too expensive of a hobby. When I have money, maybe I'll do it.
I NEED MORE MONEY!
gonna buy a nice chuck today. :D
YEAH! the price dropped!
[12:46:45] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.albrechtchucks.com/chuck_template.cfm?&product=yes&subheader=category_classic_keyless_drill_chucks&chuck_category_id=5#prices_18
I got rotary encoders now
* paul_c is getting p***d off with hotels in the DC area....
paul_c: it's US.. so it's explainable
I only want one room, not the whole flippen building...
get a penthouse
$180 - That is taking the p...
and get a bridgeport up there
don't know how you'll stuff that into the elevator... but it'll fit eventually
heh.. you can always mill a recess to make it fit
* alex_joni hands paul_c a plasma cutter.. just in case
now I just need to find out how to wire theese encoders..
Does it say AK47 on the side ?
the green wire goes to ground (seen that in the movies)
paul_c: lemme check
cut the blue one - Always the blue one.
nope.. this one says M16 (I think it's the hole diameter it cuts)
an0n: DON'T touch the red one
alex_joni: I am building somthing not taking it apart ;)
still.... DON'T touch the red one
* anonimasu makes a mental not not to touch the red one
what do you want to connect it to?
hmm.. does it have quadrature encoder inputs?
but this is a 20 ppr encoder..
ok.. how many, how fast?
jog wheel/feed override..
is it quadrature?
I dont know.. what it is really..
I've got the code for it in the plc written already..
how are the lines named?
does it have: Vcc, Gnd, A, B ?
how many wires?
ine in 1 pulse out and one dir out..
then it's easy
1 is Vcc, 1 is Gnd
1 is signal
it has a dir signal somwhere..
doesn't make a lot of sense to build such an encoder though
maybe the signal is +/- ?
it's for using as volume control.. or somthing like that..
feed override at my mill/jog..
hmmm.. maybe it's got serial connection
smthg like that
those usually have
no, this is a simple encoder.. :)
[13:12:02] <anonimasu> http://www.elfa.se/pdf/35/03584604.pdf
in single piece quantities..
* alex_joni checks
lol I found the schematic of it..
laggy box + acrobat
told you it's quadrature
ado you think 20 ppr will be too little to be useful?
nah.. depends on the speed
if you mount it on the spindle (@ 5k rpm) it's OK
I'll interpolate it in software anyway for faster feeds to get smooth action..
it's a jog wheel..
or wheel for feed override/things..
the one I have has a pushbutton switch integrated..
seen that (on line C)
I'll get a better one if it sucks..
but for controlling a ui.. it seems like a nice deal..
push scroll through functions.. push again to select..
try www.scancon.dk :)
an0n: no ideea ;)
but nice products
Hi Alex, anon.
let me know if the prices are ok
an0n: should be near from you
Hi Paul. Just sent you a note re a little gcode that trashes 4.14
they dont have any prices on the web..
alex_joni: like 2000sek.. 289$
that's the usual price for enclosed encoders like that..
the 200ppr ones..
1500 is pretty standard
I am being serious..
thoose are industrial ones..
they are super expensive..
industrial enclosed (IP54? iirc)
wait i'll get you a price off my dealer
rayh: Got it... Must admit, not used or debugged canned cycles.
* nevyn kicks linux
reading slower than writing
Got a minute or two for a graphical toolkit talk?
chuckie 1G 7736 97 58994 61 18209 34 8585 98 47200 45 170.3 2
chuckie 1G 6168 79 5353 7 2695 4 5532 63 7456 6 87.6 0
hrm oops that should have been two lines but anyway.
the first is the 200gb ata133 disk on the ata66 controller
who's chuckie ?
* rayh confesses that he knows very little about C and less about C++
the name of the box.
anyway the point is that that 58994 is writing to the 200gb disk and the 47200 is reading from it.
hm this foldable keyb is yucky..
No doubt named after that lovable film character?
now that means reads are slower than writes. which is just wrong.
it'll see good use in the shop..
* alex_joni wonders what that's got to do with gtt
I have qt-designer and can rather easily build displays
I've used tickle with EMC because with it I can also hook to emc
through emcsh and iosh and can write the rather primitive tcl required
to update displays and issue commands.
just a question
is the tcl interface faster then the c++ one?
or whatever is it
No it is much slower.
There are ways we can speed things a bit but not a lot with the interpreted nature of the lang.
well I need another box for running the ui on :)
* rayh is open to suggestions from all here so feel free to jump on it.
I think I might get a computer with HT later on..
* alex_joni suggests java.. then runs for his life
and put X on a own proc..
how much does a think client cost?
Matt Shaver wrote a primitive java interface. Will likes Java a lot.
rayh: I know you can easily draw stuf in Qt to look pretty, how have you got on hooking it up to emc?
Therein lies the rub.
* robin_sz likes java a bit, if its written nice
I don't really like java.. too slow
I like java except for the whole proprietary thing about it.
so youve not mastered the world of slots and signals then?
I don't even know how to change the forground color of a widget once I've drawn it.
Qt with c++ hooks easily to NML
but it's quite elegant as a language.
alex_joni: its not that slow .. its beaten C in some tests
well.. it's slow for me :D
At this point, I'll take your word for the "easy" but I suspect the difficult part will be
teaching me how to do it.
alex_joni: java init is slow in everything pre 1.5
alex_joni: dont confuse "java web applets" with java
rayh: you got a deal
swing still kinda looks like ass on linux
robin: I'm talking about java
awt looks like ass everywhere.
rayh: same goes for GTK
or other toolkits c++ based
Qt is multi-platform quite easily, that appeals
oh.. SWING has BUGS.. lots and lots of them
Mini is 3k+ lines of code.
and they're irritating stupid things.
I think a 'doze based GUI for a hidden behind the machine linux based emc is appealing
That is about the upper limit of what I can get my head around on a good day.
Will C++ and the QT toolkit be more compact.
rayh: probably more verbose.
ahh, thats where namespaces and the like come in. 3k in one file is WAY too big
Now I can use the designer easily. It is very like a similar designer I use for tk.
rayh: but it'd be lots of files and little blobs of <400 lines with 50 or so line methods
50 line methods are about as big as you want to make.
here is wisdom; ANY function or procedur that wont fit on a single page is TOO LONG.
* robin_sz ndos
if its more than a page, you need to refactor
* alex_joni remembers hunting through emcmot.c
way more than a page for a function ;)
* rayh 's stomach begins to knot up.
robin_sz: look I agree but two pages is the absolute outside limit.
and sometimes you do need one or two 50 line methods in a program
but most should be less than 25lines at 80 cols
* alex_joni also remembers digging deep in RCSLIB too... that was less appealing
nevyn: seen some 1-line programs
* rayh wonders what a method is?
a method is a function
you can get away with long stuff, but not for long .. and its a bugger to maintain. by the time you get to 3K lines, well its going to get hard
rayh: object oriented programming
rayh: member of a class
I saw a three page doctoral dissertation once!
its a function, a subroutine if you will
* rayh wonders what a class is?
its a lump of data
rayh: the blueprint for an object
tied to some subroutines
robin_sz: no a class doesn't have data an object has data.
I was keeping it simple
What's a object.
objects have classes, classes have methods?
an object is an instance of a class ...
the class defines it ..
* rayh goes looking for his c++ for dummies
when you actuallt create it it becomes an object
Oh. Okay. I get that.
rayh: the widgets in Qt ..
each one is an object
once they are on the screen
the Button class defines a button
when you make a new button, thats a Button object .. an instance of the Button class.
Got it. Each type of widget is a class.
qbutton ok = new qbutton(/....)
except it's *ok but that's ok.
in C I guess a typedef is the same as a class
What's the * tell me?
no a struct with function pointers is a class..
* ... pointer to a thing
okay. I got pointers, at that level.
pointers are still what I find hardest about c/c++
* and & cause much confusion
In application sure in concept they are easy.
in Perl you get $foo and \$foo returns a reference to it .. a pointer if you will
I should have said that each qt widget type, button, entry, label makes a unique group
well, you usually lay them out in a container
like a frame
no you put them in a container object
like qframe or qpanel or whatever.
Which is also heirarchial.
* nevyn shuts up ;)
well .. in what ray menas as hierarchical
I suspect ray means
fram can exist within another frame
you can put containers in containers/
I'm thinking graphical, in that you can refer to all of the widgets within a group.
yes containers in containers is good. and avoids crap like gridbaglayout ;)
(not inherited hierarchy, lets not confuse things :)
yep and then things resize like they should
within a container...
Describe inherited a bit.
you click it right and err it clicks
rayh: to get all the widgets within a container you'd iterate over the container object
say you want a button that turns red and green alternatley
you could either write all the crap for a button again, calling it RGButton
inherit from Button and just re-write the onClick method to do the red/green swapping
the latter is better
qt buttons have an onClick method?
Absolutely. I do the same sort of thing in tk
you don't need to register the object as an event handler etc?
dunno the method name, im being general here
Right. I see that and you can create new ones of these.
basically, inheritance allows you to benfit from previous work without re-writing stuff
it also means when you bug-fix the bit you inherited from, you fix the other bits instantly for zero effort too.
and when you take advantage of accidental behavior that later changes in the base class, your code breaks
but your unit test suite will pick that up
jepler: I can see that happening in my tickle code.
the Qt thing as a GUI would be cute, but it would need all that slots and signals nonsense workign out properly
Are slots and signals different from ordinary C++?
I'm afraid my head has been java'd and I think in terms of actionListeners etc these days
rayh: theyre just a way of things on a display to talk to the world and for the world to send stuff back to the display
rayh: yeah, in my day job it's always put off for years to change tcl or tk version, because we spend ages chasing little bugs that appear then.
we were on 4.2/7.6 for years, now 8.2 for years, now we'll switch to 8.5 if it comes out in time
jepler: catch gets me every time.
All right. I think that I can get my head around the widget set.
rayh: AIUI, buttons etc emit signals, slots allow widgets to get data that the application has sent back
With a little work, I can get my head around slots and signals -- Bob? Where are you?
I will need a bunch of help when it comes to making those sigs a part of NML.
rayh: the idea is that you build some sort of application interfacve that spends its life listening for signals (and poking the application when it sees one) and taking dat from the application and throwing it into slots (where the widgets pick it up and display it) ...
in theory, it doesnt matter if someting does or does not exist onthe GUI
thats my understanding anyway
Right. And the same is true of the EMC at lower levels.
I wish :)
NML has the ability to ignore or demand answers to it's signals.
NML is too damn inflexible .. its impossible to extend without adding code to a bazillion places
What I'd like to do is build the very simplist qt gui and, with help from you all
make it work with a running emc.
I think one exists already
* jepler give a big "bah" for Qt
(AXIS uses Tk)
does it run on 'doze?
I'm aware of that.
robin_sz: Do I look like I care about the answer to that question?
But as nevyn pointed out there are limitations to the tk toolkit.
(not to be rude, but I don't)
I thnk its an important issue for emc
linux based controller behind a machine
I'm looking at two screens now. Both have charter at 128 poiint.
'doze based GUI that the user can drool on
Qt offers that with (in theory) limited pain
robin: if it's QT or GTK you can do that
I've written Python+Tk apps on Linux that ran on Windows before, and my day job is a C+Tcl+Tk app that runs on Linux and Windows.
QT's display is awesome by comparison.
its pretty for sure
I admit that I'm uncertain about kits but willing to explore some.
rayh: if you do the kits, I can do the NML stuff
rayh: tk8.5 (the development version) does antialiased fonts, if that's what you're referring to.
Im also certain that the tickle part drags down the final gui.
very very nice :)
btw.. AXIS looks nice enough
I suppose that is all ture.
* anonimasu is soldering
tkemc, axis, mini -- machs nich.
They all fail the shop floor test.
Makes no difference.
axis == hobbyist with table-top cnc, fine
Yes very true. As does mini for the Sherline crowd.
and tkemc for the testing bunch.
I'm not heavy into eye candy for shop floor
but we need very simple very bulletproof displays of essential info.
eye candy isnt the same as functionality..
fwiw here's a picture of tk8.5 on unix with fuzzy fonts: http://craie.unpy.net/~jepler/tk85.png
here's where I get confused---if you want something with nice generous fonts and big buttons, on a special-purpose machine on the shop floor, why do you need to run it on a windows machine?
hm cam program compability..
is what I'd say..
for the guy on the shop floor.
Hey thanks guys for the quick C++ lesson.
Hope that I didn't stirr up a hornets nest here.
jepler: ever had to make a major change when you find out your machining strategy is wrong?
there are even places where they do online programming of the part from the cad drawing on the machine..
* rayh must go away for a bit.
anonimasu: my experience is all hobbyist/desktop cnc, so I'll take your word for how it works in real shops. I'm just surprised.
sure I've had it turn out that my g-code was wrong and I had to stop and start over, but then everything I generate g-code from already works on the same desktop as AXIS.
jepler: most solutions are windows based :)
most problems are windows-based
I'd love to have online programming into emc ;)
but well it's just a dream yet..
my X axis limit switches arrived today also
so how does one go about getting libemc and rcslib on windows (for the mingw or cygwin compilers, since I'm not about to drop $$ on a compiler)
jepler: sooo true
do they build on ming?
nevyn: I've no idea
jepler: you'll need a lot of changes to get it to compile
jepler: grab a copy of dev-c++
I can give you bins
because really the AXIS GUI should all run OOTB on Windows .. it's just the availability of the C libraries
and of course I have no clue how you'd configure it
but afaik you can't link those with another compiler
jepler: the problem I had with AXIS was Python based
hm, my local version of _toglmodule.c might have had the windows support ripped out
* jepler tries to remember.
I got the latest Python.. seemed to be an error
wouldn't compile without M$.NET
I needed to hack the sources (of Python) to disregard compiler stuff
what compiler were you trying to use?
but.. don't think it would actually run :D
#pragma #pragma #pragma
hm.. I have .net if you would like me to compile it for you
not interested in building my software with non-free tools.
time to get to "work". see you guys later.
hm, I'd use free toold..
you said .net
I mean free like freedom
but I cant really throw cygwin along with the interfaces I write for the plcs...
jepler: does that make any sense?
anonimasu: I mean, tools covered by "free software" licenses. DFSG. I know I can get some .net development stuff without paying, but I have to accept an onerous license and can't look at or modify the source.
for the development tools?
I am annoyed
it's not like you can throw cygwin along anyway.. if you make anything comercially.. :/
nice little ide for windows based on mingw
mingw is free software with a public-domain runtime (no restrictions)
[14:42:27] <jepler> http://www.mingw.org/mingwfaq.shtml#faq-license
so it's great for free-software folks like me, and also great for my day-job company who wants to sell a product for Windows cross-built on Linux with free tools.
yep that's nice..
only problem with mingw is when you want to use a .LIB with C++ constructs built with any version of msvc, it's completely incompatible
really, I'm leaving now
jepler: think I read some articles about it
EVERYONE STOP BUYING FROM MCMASTER-CARR!!! :) Use www.mscdirect.com instead. Call up customer service, and they will price match everything! :D
A-L-P-H-A: You buying stuff from msc ?
going home from work now
* alex_joni does the same thing
hrm I should sleep.
I never figured out which bits of mingw to actually download
* nevyn coughs and again points at dev-c++
point at it all you like
+ is not an allowable char in a DNS entry
hrm. dev-cpp.sf.net maybe then
[15:38:38] <robin_sz> http://dev-cpp.sourceforge.net/
I was using it at school when I was stuck in windows.
* robin_sz compiles the FOX toolkit
[15:41:05] <nevyn> http://www.bloodshed.net/download.html
I know a guy who maintains fox-extras
it suffers from a whole mess of ugly
and from the AWT problem
but it's uglyassed everywhere.
it's consistant and portable.
that is to say it's consistantly ugly on every platform.
remind me .. this c++ IDE, what does it do for me again that say, eclipse or kdevelop dont?
AWT is advanced Widget toollkit
java 1.1 widgets
what's used for applets
yes, I am familiar
robin_sz: it runs of windows for those who care about such things.
I dont care for actually running the compiler in wondows, so long as the binary will run in doze when its compiled ..
which is where FOX comes in ...
but to do that doesn't one need to build on windows? even with fox.
it should build an exe on linux
I'm pretty sure it can't do that.
steve hardy implied it did for him ...
which is where cmake comes in
and that would be failr kewl :)
that's an interesting concept. still need a windows of some description for testing tho.
h, for sure
fox really is ugly.
and it doesn't fit into the native environment
where qt does.
and even gtk does.
03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/rs274ngc_pre.cc: Q values for G83 should flag an error if zero or negative.
I'm back! Hide.
Thanks for the fix, paul.
I know that it's possible to distribute a tarball for those machines in the field.
Can a deb be made to do this?
Sure - That was the whole point of packaging the stuff up.
I haven't emailed Billy direct - I thought I would leave that to you..
Is it a whole emc download.
Can you send that to matt@sherline today so he can get it on the rlease?
It would be a 1.2Meg download at most.
Are you working on an iso at Sherline?
nope - All the files are here.
How quickly can we get a new iso to them.
What they are planning is a 40 box purchase with emc preloaded.
So we need to get upgraded doc's to you from them and then a final version back to Sherline.
today is... Wednesday... If I start now, can probably have something on a server by Thursday night/Friday morning.
I'll post a note to billie thanking him and copy Joe at S.
Already have the latest Docs included on the CD
Okay. I'll get that info to them.
I can get a deb on my server if anyone wants to update.
Okay. I'll also suggest that Sherline might ship diskettes.
At least this is a non-fatal bug....
If you say so.
Matt said that Craig had made changes again so they will forward to you.
OK - I'll need them before building the final iso.
Do you want me to email the emc-deb over for testing ?
dimsum was fun. :D
Yes please do.
* rayh is on the phone.
* A-L-P-H-A is on the throne.
:D laptops are good
I think that was on a "don't need to know" basis...
so... good movement, is TMI?
I bought an albretch chuck today.
should be here by the end of next week... hopefully sooner.
paul_c: Let me know when you get that deb up and the link and I can apt-get install it from your server.
is it possible to prevent udev to control some device?
apt-get remove --purge udev
but gnome depends udev
is tehre a way to use udev and emc in the same time
* paul_c is working on it
thanks for the warning
Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
hm, nice isp I have I've got a transfer limit both in and out.
* anonimasu sighs
time to change.
anonimasu: your isp, or your host?
anonimasu: Yeah, you need a new one. You on dialup?
damn... then that really sucks
Jymmm: there are other isps.. just not as good..
anonimasu: where you at?
I thought you guys had cheap T-1's out there?
my isp started putting up transfer limits..
limits these days are ancient.
unless hosting of course.
I checked out how much I had..
their system seems to be broken..
but it annoys the hell out of me..
my ISP has transfer limits on DSL, but they're generous enough I generally don't get close to them.
I have 8gb..
the paper says 8gb..
I get 15GB up / 15 GB down per month
but when I checked I had 48gb in 7 days in/out..
of thoose 8 are backups from work..
fuck me... HF has the mill on sale $50 off
but it was a choice between this ISP with a quota, or ISPs without quotas but with contracts that permit them to unilaterally decide you're using too much bandwidth and terminate you
I know exactly what I'm getting
* anonimasu hates it so much
48GB is quite a bit, much more than I ever do
unless pron, dvd,s or music
then it's very little
for me, it's ISO's
yeah, in the past when I've let a torrent for some linux iso run, I've gotten close to the 15GB limit
it adds up since I torrent stuff...
but still.. 8gb is very little..
beyond 15GB it's $0.005USD per megabyte of transfer.
* anonimasu sighs even more
I think I'll switch isp.. instead..
or buy another connect also..
and multihome to it..
throw dns queries/web over the primary and everything else over the other..
there's a company that sells 8mbit/s down..
without limits.. but I dont know how the speed is on it..
On sale for $450 USD http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44991
Jymmm: you're thinking retrofit?
jepler: that and for general use (I'm in an apartment)
whats the point os a T1 or DSL with a useage cap?
I mean, youve paid for it right?
we had one ISP in the UK (BT) that tried that .. people left in droves
I dont think anyone else has tried it since
Doesn't BT still changes per minute for local calls?
I really like google's map thingy, nice and clean. map.google.com
I really like google's map thingy, nice and clean. maps.google.com
jepler: any thoughts?
hm.. I'll switch/get another isp aswell
anonimasu you dsl or T1 now?
ethernet to my isp..
that doesn't make sense
or well ethernet/fibre
is your isp within 600' ?
you have fiber to the desktop?
I have 10m of ethernet before it goes into my router..
somwhere around 10 mbit/s
is what I get in speed..
ok, how are you getting brandband from your isp to your home?
fibre & ethernet.
anonimasu whre is the fiber terminated at?
inside a locked room across the street in the hospital there..
* Jymmm smacks anonimasu
you now your being a buttmuch.... how are you getting a connection from a hospital?
that makes ZERO sense
* Jymmm tries to understand, but...
the municipality over here provides the connection... they own the hospital aswell..
they have a fibre switch/repeater there going away further..
err going further away..
OH! Ok, NOW that makes sense. Around here hospitals are commercial and dont communicate with each other to utilize their resources like that.
talk about culture shock
but last month they decided to switch me to the usual net they've been building the last months..
I've had 22.214.171.124 for 5 years.. almost..
I used to have 2 mbit/s full duplex before..
no transfer limits..
although that was through the same network as the schools get connection through ehre so I always kept my downloads off during wor hours..
yeah, if I would have seen this comming I wouldnt have.
I'd rather have 2mbit/s and no transfer limit and 3x the monthly cost..
feel lucky... DSL 1.5 down, 128 up, PPPoE DHCP for $20/mo USD
$25/mo I meant
8mbit/s dsl.. is the option..
130$ per month
well, not cheap, but not bad for what it is. whats the upload speed on that?
512 I think
let me check
it's a bit more though then what I thought
how are you doing paul?
Cursing some 'erb who sent me some html docs less images....
But hey, nailed a bug in the interp today.
One of the canned cycles. Nothing major.
paul_c : is there a canned cycle cancel?
as in say a drilling cycle is called, with initial position x and y, depth and things, then can consecutive positions be programed, and at each position the previous called cycle repeate its self at that location, until a G(canned cycle) is called?
okay, g80 :), sweet
I think that with a good bit of time, I could add or increase the total canned cycles in emc :)
but you know I cant code
It's not hard - Did a few custom cycles a while back..
paul_c : would you like me to try and diagram out some turning cycles, grooving cycles, and some pocket milling cycles?
I had to write a special grooving cycle a few months ago in macro format to cutoff large diameter rings cause the control didnt provide a peck grooving cycle
Sure - But be carefull which codes you use.
paul_c : Ill probably just provide the routine for the necessary paths
I dont know, its something to work on
or at least think about
heck I may be able to program them in on my own, which would be really cool
I like the conversonational stuff im usiing now, its pretty efficient
not quite cam but pretty close
For small & one off stuff, a lot of CAD/CAM is overkill.
yeah, in that case, either direct G-code, or conversational rules
I can program th BP to cut an 4 pot exhaust flange in a handfull of blocks at the console.
hmm, cam is pretty easy once you get used to your program..
paul_c : have you ever seen conversational ?
never used commercial conversational..
I cant find 12' drillrod anywhere, sigh
12 foot lengths, or 12 foot Dia ?
Twelve Foot Diameter
but only 0.125" long
you want 12 ft diameter drillrod?
12 ft lenght
It was a joke
not gonna happen
12' == full length bar
I really only want 5', but anything > 3' requires 12'
you want to buy one foot or a 12' bar?
You won't get 12' lengths. Standard is 13" or 1metre
gezr: I really only want 5', but anything > 3' requires 12'
what diameter? ill buy a bar, cut off 5' for you can charge you for the full bar :)
paul_c: I'm reading the catalogs, and they're saying full length is 12'
[22:11:01] <Jymmm> http://www.crucibleservice.com/eselector/prodbyapp/special/drillrod.html
Jymmm : what diameter?
Please insert "in the UK"
Jymmm : and what class, w1?
[22:12:12] <gezr> http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=4668&step=4&showunits=inches
call those folks, they do custom drops
your going to pay for it though
Yeah, I'll find this yet!
a drop is any length other then a standard length, 12' isnt as common as it used to be, its more like Paul is saying 13' lengths or there abouts, the 3ft tool steel spec is sorta custom, because its not supposed to be used as a structural steel, many better choices, unless your making a broach
your not going to find a 5' length of it, unless someone is acutioning it off on ebay
[22:17:22] <gezr> http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=7273&step=4&showunits=inches
W1 1" x 12' $78.48 (cutin half for shipping N/C)
thats 17-4 stainless, ground od
5 feet is 68 bucks
times two, too.
no thats cut to 5 feet
I need two five foot pieces
why are you going w1?
are they guarnteeing a diameter?
.500 to 2.000: +- .001
not bad at all then
.125 to .499: +-.0005
< .125: =-.0003
< .125: +-.0003
that's good specs
$47.11 ground =(
and that's cut in half @ no charge too.
hm.. is that expensive?
I think that it seems cheap :)
material $80, shipping $50
thats not bad at all
shipping a lil high imo
If I can just find someone local ( <50 radius) I'd be happy
or a trucker who makes that run
Yeah, I'm in no rush, let it piggy back on a deadrun
oh, btw.... http://ToolAndDie.com/
for future ref.
you can get good hard steels from a search for perlow steel
but I dont know if they do small runs
everything is in LA is the big problem.
[22:31:32] <gezr> http://www.rolledthreads.com/
awsome thread roller :)
Shit, dont care what your looking for if it's not in LA you're not going to find it.
I know a million suppliers and shops outside LA
Well, to be complete, within 200 mile radius
drugs, slaves, diamonds, endangered species, etc
and my damn 12' drillrod! argh
what about a shop with a centerless grinder who can do bar work in your area?
I dont' think for $100 anyone would
folks help folks for all sorts of reasons
Heck, a ways back I couldn't find someone to make a tap for me (within the US)
I made a custom 1/4 inch straight flute tap for a guy up north a few years ago :)
it was a son of a bitch to make
straight side, not flute
for an old hardinge catarac lathe
I made the tap, and tapped the nut and put it all back together for the guy, just about ruined it
maybe it was 3/8 yeah it was 3/8
but square threads, it was really hard to get right
the part to tap was a small piece of brass, and it had to be tapped while it was all together
I did it for free
made at least 6 taps in the process
I wanted a tap MADE =)
I felt really bad that I couldnt send the guy the tap, but it would never make another hole,
I just got lucky it didnt break making the part for him
this isn't THAT bad... but the threads are rounded
hardinge has a special set of 3 taps they use to form that thread
I could make a round form tap
it's about 1.25" diam
if its not excessively deep
< .125 iirc
or a very high lead
8 deg iirc
that sort of tap would be about 10 inches long
and would take a long time to do
it would need to be 10 inches long for a home made tap to form that thread
I dont remember I'd have to pull up the blueprints
it's only 4 tpi I think
yeah thats too high a lead
I dont think I can gear my machine down to that
well, let me find the prints later this week
yeah it will do 4
I cant heat treat that large of a part here at home, and whats it going to be tapping?
man, I dont know
thats so large
gezr: do you have any bottled soda at your place?
not at the moment
is that basically the form?
gezr: Look at the threads of a 2-liter bottle =)
they tend to be dual start I think, and no I cant cut that efficiently here
I could, but oh my
gezr: again, later this week.
it would be strange, Ide have to use dogs, and all that
Jymmm : a home made tap even if I could get one cut, will not make very many holes
and impossiable to be a blind hole use
robin_sz hi there
* robin_sz waves
I was reading gezr tap making fun.
the only time I tried making one, well it almost worked :)
silver steel is great for home-made taps, you can harden it real good.
what's silver steel?
I think its lke what they call drill-rod in the US
robin_sz ah ha!
has excellent haredening properties
heat it to a good orange and dunk in oil ..
yeah nice pretty soon I'm setting up a foundry will try my hand at a little forging too
then draw the temper
robin_sz going to start there see what it leads to
robin_sz got a guy in another network going to try sending me PDF of Gingery's book later this evening I hope
going to try the lost-styrofoam trick?
been thinking about it looks pretty slick
going to do traditional formwork too
I really like woodworking
so making forms I should be into
which is sort of what got me invloved with CNC
signs are very popular with woodworking
I think the styro works well if you have a vacuum system to suck the sand
yeah, signs is where I started out
hey you cna just stay there
whenever i sell woodwork my bigest seller is signs
I rout them by hand now but want this CNC stuff to expand my capabilities
I tired of the infilling and varnishing
so use another finish
heck with my signs all I do is stain them
I tried a different industry
ah I have no aptitude with that
its just engineering
it's all greek to me :)
anonimasu_ you grew a tail!
funny that my router reinstall is 70% done before I timeout ;)
pfred1: yeah :)
anonimasu_ it looks good don't listen to what anyone else tries to tell you
how's it going?
can't do crap here I'm going stir crazy!
what do you mean+
it's too cold to work on my CNC project :(
I was just making headway before the temperature took a dive
if I was feeling better I'd go out and do some work on mine..
I need to make limit switch mounts
now i have plans of rewinding that transformer again with a different piece of wire that i want to shellac myself but it's just too cold to try to do that
or maybe I'll use the switch as home switches.. since I ordered too few anyway..
I got lots of microswitches for when I get to that stage
I have loads but I ordered ones with rollers :)
anonimasu_ is now known as anonimasu
but am a bit short on material
what sort of material?
everything other then mild steel..
ah stock materials
I have 4x4 square alu..
but it's a bit much to mill down
yeah I plan on making my own
to get a �" of plate
finally I'm going to a place where I can get away with some more industrial processes
I dont get what you mean with that :)
I can get away with pretty much anything here huh? http://126.96.36.199:10000/new/Multimedia/PicsITook/Delaware/6th/p2200017.jpg
blimey! .. she'll catch a cold
* anonimasu is making a panel
pfred1: did that truck get back together?
robin_sz what truck?
[23:47:51] <robin_sz> http://188.8.131.52:10000/new/Multimedia/PicsITook/TruckBed/allpix4.php#
robin_sz oh yeah that only took 3 days
looked like a lot of holes holding some rust together
robin_sz here is it painted http://184.108.40.206:10000/new/Multimedia/PicsITook/TruckBed/4/allpix4.php
hey, painted up ok huh
robin_sz well I didn't do great prep work I figure it's just going to rot out again
I had to lacquer a bit of the bonnet on the BMW .. lacquer coat was detaching and it was getting bigger
but yeah it's al lone color now with no holes
yeah, looks much better
I use Acrylic enamal
the truck I sprayed in Dupont Centari
yeah, acrylllic is a good choice
and it goes over old cellulose no problem
yeah everything pretty much is acrylic today
robin_sz here's a car I painted in 89 BMW Salmon Silver http://220.127.116.11:10000/pics/Scans/frontsm.jpg