ive not had over 100bhp on the road, always seems quite sufficient
robin_z: how's stuff lately?
not making money right now
that's not good :(
kinda tough over here too
I'll have a final bash at a small 4x4 plasma table
if that doesnt sell, well bollocks to it :)
lol "Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children"
Im supposed to be seeing Les Newell of sheetcam fame next week
that should be fun
Les is the guy who built a CNC plasma for 30 quid or something
is a trunk that can hold three sets of golf clubs 'big' ?
soounds big. too big to lift anyway
is that "trunk" as in car, or tree ?
oh, I was thinking "big box like a hard suitcase"
the new Honda Trucks have a trunk in them
next question.... What is a golf club ?
a kinda party ?
the bag you get your golf clubs into
paul_c: its a building with a bar and some stuffed shirts.
paul_c: shaft with offset bracket designed to impact spherical projectile
high speed marbles
what is grade-25? that must be bad.
but they tried to make those round...
didn't really succeed... so they abandoned the ideea
I'm still trying to figure out why honda make trucks
I wish Honda made trucks years ago
mitshibishi foso aren't too bad... they work well. OR atleast they seem to.
robin_z: All the rage over there is overgrown pickups
I thought they concentrated on consumer stuff, rather than industrial stuff
ahh, that sort fo truck
up market transit+tipper bed
sort of like a big car, but with a boot that lets the rain in?
paul_c 1/s ton or better on average
you get the idea.
* robin_z nods
paul_c: just wait till the petrol prices even out, then see what happens :)
a pickup has ALWAYS served me well.
Oh they squeel enough with it over $2/gal
It's already $2.15 USD
has been for years
not even got going yet
US gal = 3.9l
you know its pretty much a global market and it will all even out in the end dont you?
Oh yes - It will get to $5/gal before too long.
The Bay Area is far different fromt eh rest of the US.
Jymmm: but it will even out ... thats global economics
wanna guess what it is in the eu?
nah, you guess have public transportation system, we have corrupt politions
* paul_c => food
paul_c << food
Oh gawd yes, compared to here in the US?
* robin_z doesnt think so
we do? oh. OK.
Ours looks like something they just tossed together.
whatever .. its close to $10/gallon here
thats a imperial gallon
We love our vehicles here
it's about 4$/gallon here (US gallon)
WTF? 3/8 x 7/8 x 3/8 (ID, OD, H) bearings, rated 20,000RPM+. Metal Shielded (NSK $9.00, EBC $1.17). Rubber Shielded (NSK $9.81, EBC $1.21). Why is there such a HUGE difference?
alpha: how do you mean that?
well. the NSK is over 29K+ rpm. these EBC are good for 29Krpm. Rated.
well. the EBC are made from China.
worse comes to worse... I waste $10 bucks.
hmm... these may not even be Chinese. But Russian.
[19:59:58] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.ebcorp.ru/eproducts/tool/index.html
I dont get it... "oil impregnated bronze bushing"
makes they slide.
been chewing gym tooo long... my jaw hurts now.
That I get, but I don't understand how a piece of metal can be impregnanted with oil
is there a lil reservoir in it
is it like a sponge
does it have a dipstick to check when the oil is low?
Inquiring Minds want to know.
* Jymmm checks
Jymmm: I don't know, but it sure is impossible to get all the oil off/out (I've tried)
cradek: of a OIl preg bushing you mean?
cradek: ever used any solvent?
it's limited to low rpm though
A-L-P-H-A why is that?
and their design.
Jymmm: I even tried fire
shit, I've been up 24hours.
cradek: seen some more stuff on your site lately
what's cradek's site?
cradek: Good to know =)
alex_joni: yeah, I posted a few pics
is it about cracks?
alpha: that's secret
the nice booty kind?
alex_joni: I haven't spent much time on the site - I do want to fully document my pcb process
I'd have to kill you after I tell you
[20:12:28] <cradek> http://timeguy.com
cradek: heard some rumors about axis ...
cradek: Oh that TTF thing is yours! thats kinda cool (haven't used it yet).
alex_joni: yeah, it works great for us, so now we don't care about adding stuff to it anymore
cradek, oh! you're the guy that made AXIS! Cool!
don't think there's stuff missing from it ;)
I have a fan club!?
if it were... would be a different story
alex_joni: oh there's some stuff missing, like editing the tool table
* alex_joni thinks cradek should have
alex_joni: I just don't care about it, and neither does jepler
cradek: No fan club, your head wouldn't fit in this channel then
cradek: as long as toolchanging is not very automated on emc...
k, I'm off for a bit. big nap.
the channel is only 80 columns wide; I don't know how wide my head is
alpha: don't forget jepler
cradek: should be more than 80
* cradek holds his head up to the monitor
yeah, I guess it is
but then again...
depends how flat your head is :-)
to make it fit on one line ... lol
alex_joni: it's pretty big already - I have a terrible time finding motorcycle helmets
and you probably have old-standard eyes anyway
alex_joni : cradek doesn't need ears, jaw, nose, etc.... we can make it fit!
robin_z: old-standard ?
I don't know who they make those things for
cradek: man your eyes must be shot! ... motorcycle helmets are quite big .. you should be able to find them easily ... get glasses!
that's the problem if you shop for pink helmets
* alex_joni rofls
alex_joni: yeah, old 4x3 format eyes. new eyes are 16x9
* alex_joni gets the NEW eyes
actually .. there is an even newer spec
four-third standard ;)
you know 16x9 is wider than 4x3?
I know.. but the latest camera CCD's are 4/3
as a size, not format
well, theyre doing a new version of 16x9 ... just as wide but .. taller too! ..16x12!!
4/3'' I think
kinda like 25 mm film
rob_melb: how would that work with HDTV's?
robin_z: how would that work with HDTV's?
well, OLD hdtvs will have trouble
but the new generataion have a little extra screen height
Oh that sucks. Most are just hitting homes now.
do they have HDTV in the US?
Yes, but the HD tuner is seperate a majority of the time.
how many lines resolution does it give?
16 pixels each
it never got going in the UK
625line is all we get
I thought the US was all still on 525line
didnt know they had HDTV, but .. ive been out of the TV game for a few years, it moves on
I'm not into Home Theater anymore, just know what I see in the ads in the paper
I remember seeing some 1400line Sony sets at the Sony facility .. but they never made it to sale.
yeah. might still be 525line but just widescreen format
Sorry to seem stupid here, but what is a 'JAM NUT'? I'm not familure with that term. Is that the type with the nylon built in?
Ah, found it.
never heard of a "Nylok pellet nut" before, weird.
* alex_joni wonders when a PC will replace a TV
I'm not pleased with the state of the PC-tuners
but .. use ONCE only
sounds like nylons :D
[20:53:33] <robin_z> http://www.bolts-nuts-washers.com/images/NYLOC_NUTS.jpg
we call them "airplane nuts" around here
my spindle motor mount is made with those
I think the airplanes cant use them
planes use a split metal type ... ummm ...
robin: cheap airplanes use them to secure the landing gear
well, I don't actually know why they're called that...
yeah, probably "just a name"
[21:01:16] <robin_z> http://www.airturbinetools.com/spindle.htm
[21:07:21] <robin_z> http://www.a2a4.co.uk/acatalog/aerotight_nut_logo.gif
thats an "aerotight" nut .. I see a lot of those on planes
* robin_z plays with some GIS software
* alex_joni goes to sleep
* paul_c wonders how much robin_z is going to want for the 100W laser...
it my mate Andys ...
it was on a cardboard-box cutting machine ...
had to fart around most of the day with this data aq scripting language
really buggy program
worse than Labview even
man I have a delemia on my hands, my uncle has become very ill
yeah allsorts of things...cursor vanishes...arrays aren't initialized... etc
I dont know if I should call my cousin or not, cant really decide to do
sorry to hear
I dont know the etiquite in this matter
I have an uncle with a very bad heart
i installed emc from BDI 4.18 to my debain sarge system, but i can't start emc. when i trying to start emc, i get the following output: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0lEX1J65.html
my opinion: if your uncle can answer, you should ask. If not, you should probably call whoever you think he might want to know.
cradek : the uncle cant. yeah, its probably best to just call
gezr: Sorry I missed part of the conversation, what did you need to ask your uncle?
acemi: Don't use su
Install sudo and set it up so that the usr can run stuff as root
and then launch emc as any login usr.
Hmm that was a call from some web business listing service business
Jymmm : uncle is sick, wondering if I should call his son
guess i'll get plenty more junk mail to burn in the wood stove.
gezr: do you like this uncle?
Jymmm : oh yeah
gezr: Call, definately call. you can at least find out when are his better times to speak with him; after breakfast, before dinner, etc and speak to your uncle directly. Even if it's just for a couple of minutes.
gezr: Wehn your sick, it's always a "good thing" to know that someone is thinking about you.
and took the time to go out of their way to speak directly, not by proxy if at all possible.
MY Aunt whoch I haven't spoken with in years was so heartfelt when I called and spoke to her for a couple minutes. She directly said that she thanked me for calling and said she really appreciated it.
paul_c: i get the same result: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MDNqDM78.html
acemi: Run dmesg and paste the o/p
Jymmm : yeah, i called em. :)
gezr: Cool Beans. Did you get to talk to him?
Jymmm : the uncle is incapaciated, I called to speak to his son, I didnt get ahold of him but his wife, I dont speak to them much,
gezr: thats cool
hmmm ... line 34 has a nasty feeling to it.
gezr: Screw etiquite, I see things like this... If hearing from someone would make me feel good, I'll return the favor in kind. Just keep it simple.
Cards and flowers are "nice", but sure doesn't show the effort that one really cares imo.
and they can't spell "shareable"
Jymmm : these folks tend to operate as vultures out of goodness, its really strange
I felt weird calling my aunt after all those years, but she answered the phone with "open arms".
gezr: vultures out of goodnes?
Jymmm : yeah, maybe the guy will call me later on when he gets off work
Jymmm : its strange
I find its always best to have some "balance" in these things ...
gezr: vultures out of goodnes? I dont understand (sorry)
i can use livecd without problem
so yeah sure, call them and chat .. but balance it up by mailing them a roadkill later in the week
* robin_z is weird
Jymmm : they did a lot of really strange things when my mother got sick, this uncle who is sick now, was the cool one, I dont talk to the family much at all because of things in the past, so hearing from me may or may not be a good thing
dang, is that bad form?
Hey I was thinking
I ought to rep your plasma machines in the colonies
heh, like I'd be able to get PL insurance for there
Jymmm : I love them all to death, but im the outcast.
gezr: Eh, all families are fuber
I second that
les: the ONLY thing my insurers want to know is "will you sell any to the USA" ... the basic concept was it might be close to impossible to get insurance without LOTS of testing
arrgh silly regs....makes it damn near impossible to make a buck
its not the regs
Sell it as an OEM component
its the people who sue you
Remember I have people that want a plasma...
but I am booked
when they put their hands under it and fire it up!
oh, heh :)
but they wanted a BIG plasma right?
Your design seems sound and economical
of the two-floor-beams and a gantry to sit on variety?
yes one client wants a pretty big one
* robin_z is having a bit of a sales downturn at the moment
so you said
I just want to keep the ball rolling
Have done well so far this year
worry not, I have software to cook as well
yeah, and you didnt *quite* go mad during turking mating season either
it sounded close some days though :)
As I mentioned before if I can keep up the sales this might be the first year I do better than at the large corporation
Just about bouncing off the wall yes
hey...know anything about thermoforming?
ive watched vacume forming
I have decided that it is the way to get camo on the product
rather than ink jet etx
I read up on it
screen print B staged uv cured camo pattern
stake to moulded part
then full cure
but I don't want to displace my own accounts
so I ould want to do it
les camo on what product?
those spindles coming your way still?
$friend went to look at some grinders a guy is using ...
dimaond embedded wheel, about 18" dia
to drind a thin , small part ..
weird thing ..
they used 11hp motors ...
shaped kind of like a hokey puck
11hp, into a part, 50x25x1mm
that cant be right, can it? or are grinders terribly inefficient
* robin_z has seen some vacuum thermo
les: let me guess .. like drinks bottles?
well, lets think, thes wooden calls, they split and break over time I guess, due to moisture?
and a plastic one would last forever right .. ?
les url ot a pic?
heh, but a camo one would get lost REAL EASY :)
but I make 5.25 in 3 minutes with the wood
does anyone know the name of the website for linier bearings?
starts with an i
les: is this a "quality" product, or more of a functional one?
there are many joe. What kind?
it was like ies????
i think paul told be bout it
I notice HIWIN is having a fire sale at the mount prospect warehouse. I will be up there soon and better stop in
HIWIN stuff is VERY good value
awhen you look it also had yellow bearings
real fire sale?
check the HIWIN USA site
I remember they had a rom with a couple kM of rail cutoffs sitting in bins
les: I don't know if this helps, but what about these heat shrink plastics that are printed, then placed on consumer products and shrunk down?
les like coffee creamer containers and such
they only really work on cylinders
og bleach bottles
yes many are pad printed
well, I did ask for a url to a pic
les' thing is a flat disk, with holes
and 7 degree tapered sides
perfect draft for molding
persoanlly, id mold out of green plastic, cnc spray black camo with an air brush
I thought about textures molded in that would hold paint
you can get great plastic-sticking paints these days, etch themselves in
slop some on and wipe it off
Oh that's an idea.....
but screen or flexo on large thermoformed ABS sheets I think is the way to go
can you mold the entire puck from a sheet?
I thought a good bit about stencils
les Create some muffin pan vacuum form molds and then cut out as needed for stenciling.
robin: it would bea strethc
Only thing is I am getting old on mold prices
les you're a moldy oldie?
haha gettin there
heh, you have a CNC bridgport :)
les: what about multiple cavity molds that have cutout (like a stencil) and just toss in the calls; spray green, another mold; spray brown, etc
what exactly was wrong with the CNC airbrush idea??
I think I can get the ink to stay put even in the extreme stretch areas where it drapes over the side
i mean camo, its all random anyway
High up front costs...low productivity
[22:37:42] <joe2000chevy> http://www.igus.com/
thats the one
oh ... IGUS
I use a lot of IGUS stuff
plasitc bearing linear rail
les: well, 6 airbrushes @ 30 bucks each ... fixed ... puck come in, squirt ... moves on
justa thought, sorry. I have sprayed ink fixed in my brain now :)
I suspect a liscenced popular pattern like Mossy Oak might sell best
you have totally failed to learn from the 'net
nekkid ladies will sell best :)
3 color scrren print on about one meter square ABS sheet
les: you good with polymers?
les is Mr Polymer
I developed some conductive screen printing inks that are used a good bit
les: can't you come up with some paints that will do the oil/water not mix thing and be able to create a camo paint?
Well the current process works like this:
dunk a bucket ok calls, then let dry a bit, then on to the next color, etc.
A litho'd sheet is placed in water
the ink image comes loose from the substrate and floats to the top
objects are below the surface
they are raise out
and the floating image conforms and sticks to them
works well for top end car "wood" trim
but that is what is being done on hunting gear for camo
les what if you just "blot" it on the surface?
les much like a stamppad
hmm .. that might work ..
what about the sides?
think glazed donut
I have thought about workers with flexo (stamppad) pads of several colors
with sprinkles =)
just semirandomly putting them on
hey, my wife tells me what my middle kid did at bedtime ...
using an Analox texture on the pads
youngest pee'd in the loo
kinda like a knurl
middle one dipped his toothbrush in and brushed his teeth!
he'll not live till 3yrs old I tell you
My boy stuck a couple butter knives in the electrical outlet to get the power out
when he was 3
if you get him wearing one of them government approved helmets a sure bet on 4 could be given
les: for small runs, that printing, cutting, forming .. well, it sounds like a complex process to get right for small runs.
Wife insisted on those plastic covers for outlets
makes em want o mess with them more.
nothing like a few amps at 240v to bring the point home
my folks took me to chruch to fear the lord, left me alone with metal things to fear electricity
Robin: we are not talking so small here
not sure...will have some meeting s to find out
well, thats small
rmember I said I was involved making lamp dimmers?
I just know you can buy turkey hunting magazines in the stores
robin: me too a long time ago
we do 25k to 45k a month .. every month ..
oh yeah, when I was like 10yo, I remember using a transformer I ripped out of something I had, to use it to weld pennys together
I designed the GE slimline dimmer
single time constant
hmmm weld pennies together
I just put em on the train track.
i used to also use a transformer as a cap, i would enduce a current into the windings, and then discharge them onto a friend
simple 9v and a small transformer was a lot of fun
Robin: A quadrac, a choke, a capacitor, and a couple resistors and a pot printed right on the PCB
gezr we used to call those shockers
les: anyway, my point was, 30K is small in production run terms ..
pfred1 : yep :)
les: yeah, printed pot is neat
* Jymmm is having a hard time finding 12' drill rod 'in stock' on the shelves locally.
30k...i'll take it
gezr and it's a good thing we didn't know about relaxation oscillators and MOSFETs!
pfred1 : hahaha
Jymmm : o1 or a1
or that too
gezr D) Any of the above
Just order it from MSC...less trouble
damn there's no html special tag for an ohm sign
ohm? just a sec...
upper case greek omega?
bet there is
inverted ohm ࡏ
if those dont work, try Ω
2126 is hex, 8486 is decimal equiv.
Jymmm Ω works thanks :)
and if that fails, there always unicode :)
robin_z: That IS unicode =)
I need an iris less then 3 microns away from my event horizon
* pfred1 is making a webpage about his screwy microwave transformer he's trying to rewind
All Unicode is hex (I didn't know that), so to use in html directly, convert unicode to decimal and bang!
pfred1 : read how one guy used 9 of them to make a welder :)
gezr yeah i have I'm glad I have some welders
pfred1 : I just want a nice tig
gezr but i need about 24V ar about 6 amps
pfred1: Just be sure to include the declaration in hte html
gezr I got a Miller EconoTIG
$1400 worth of "econo"
yeah it's pretty cool still if i had to pick one or the other I'd go with a MIG
I looked under my neighbors truck the other day as he was moving out to check out the work some muffler shop did, It was really nice, they left a lot of unmelted hot glue wire to show how efficient they were at performing the task they had
MIG way handier for glueing together exhausts
I worked most on MIG with miller.
pfred1 : yeah, mig is great for all sorts of things, but this looked like a 3 year old was using a crayon
Man MSC is expensive for > 36" They charge a $15 handling fee
home depot has some nice lincoln MIG welders
pfred1 : for anything large I would need welded I would take it to where I work
I built most of my cnc with MIG
yeah dangit, I would need a mig too
or GMAW as it's called now
gezr you Vee grind the joint them little 110V MIGs will do like better than 1/4 inch thick
yeah v grind but a little gap at the bottom
pfred1 : we use submerged arcs and spray, then standard fluxcore with gas for all the pipping
heh i love pipe robots
his name is Jerry
I saw some steamfitters doing a stainless steel handrail
man that robot could weld!
I did all my cnc fabrication with a small 160 amp unit
One good thing about little welders...
the trick with the real elcheapo MIGs is point a fan directly into the back of them that doubles their duty cycle
things don't warp as much
yeah many are 20% dc
yeah but if you fan it it'll keep up
that's what i did when I did my truck frame
because it kept on shutting down
les : yeah a common mod is to open it up and plop a few computer type fans inside
I have had that problem
bah just throw a little box fan on a milk crate
radio shack has a few 110v fans like computer fans, that have huge cfm
you should see the fans i pulled out of the top of a PDP 11/34
Gee I guess I should take you guys to miller and hobart
(itw owns them)
Lincoln is the snizzle
I did some of the automation at the hobart fluxcore plant
pfred1: don't tell me you're parting out a good 11/34
cradek hacked it up long ago
les : can you krochet(sp), like nitting but with a hooked needle?
ex wife could
both of em
* gezr owns les in the krochet department
cradek get a simulator lots easier on the electric bill floor etc
pfred1: true but it's somehow not the same.
cradek you know how big an 11/34 is?
half a ton?
2-3 racks I suppose
depends on what's hooked to it
cradek here's the bottom of it and the HDD chassis that i made into drawers http://220.127.116.11:10000/wood/cshop/Drawers/drawers.html
those drawers were the hard disk drives!
I still use a side of it as a temporary work table
throw it over some horses
cradek really nice drawer slides huh? full extension!
martha stewart has been looking good, sorry I couldnt go on any longer without mentining that
gezr: you sick sick man!
Wish I had bought her stock about christmas
hopefully they'll get her on something else and throw away the key this time!
if she still had what she sold, she would be set
Turned a prison stay into a marketing campaign
les yeah she turned her ex husband into a quivvering bowl of jelly too
who was that?
My latest young ex was martha stewart crazy
where she got the Stewart name from
couple of the rooms in my house are martha stewart green.
she took everything she could from that man
including his manhood she's probably got his balls swinging between her legs!
or on loan to another famous woman in the spotlight
maybe they trade them like baseball cards?
I don't really have a problem with martha...but a big one with Hillary
I'm not a republican either
I like that web site: stop_her _ now.com
well what do I know...divorced twice
hmm I missed a pair of leads on this thing
les : I would say 3rd time is a charm, but a guy we had at work, had used all the marriages he could have in the state of arkansas, no common law 7 year thing here, but you can only get married 7 times here
7 time loser?
yeah I think so
who's he think he is Liz Taylor?
Aw my problem is that I won't do what women say.
I do like em though!
no, If i wasnt married, and there were no stalking laws, there is a uber hot red head on that myth busters show
She Who Must Be Obeyed!
yeah I know.
les can't handle the shackle burns from the old ball and chain?
actually sometimes I would...
but the chafe would get to you eventually?
they never let up!
they just keep clamping down tighter and tighter
til you can't hop in a circle on one foot without her express say so!
One of my workers, 75 years old, had a girl spend the night with him that he picked up in a hillbilly bar.
My 98 year old grandma told me
she is next dorr to him and is very nosey
OK which coil should i chop out?http://18.104.22.168:10000/new/MicrowaveTrans/MicrowaveTrans.html
I think it's the D-E that has to go
well DE at 55v is good for a typical servoamp
that's at 37V input
if it is a secondary
I fed it with a step down transformer
I've had transformers let the smoke out on me
don't know...have never messed with them
I use the 240/120 a lot
well A-B-C seems like the primary to me evne tho you get more voltage out of the D-E side
the D-E winding is huge!
and those $100 toroids where you wind your ownsecondary
I got a little toroid I wonder if it's powerful enough?
pfred1 : how many power levels did the mwayve have before you took out the former?
pfred: what do you want to do with it?
gezr I don't know
I want to drive my stepper drivers
pfred1 : well, you want the more heavy duty wire for your needs then
you can always rewind the primary side to get your voltage
what voltage and current?
gezr well this thing I will have to rewind it with heavy wire
les 24V 6 amps
I wonder if this can do it? http://22.214.171.124:10000/projects/Celler/ElectroLab/Transformers/p1010008.jpg
well in that range it's not that critical
PWM drives can handle up to 46V
but i htink it should run OK in the neighborhood of 24V it'll be higher after I rectify and filter it
24v filament transformers are dirt cheap
at 6 amps?
like 500 VA or so?
will give you 24- 1.5 X 1.414
anyway sounds like you only need 150 va or so
yeah heck I should try a smaller transformer and if it blows up what the heck?
each of my motors draws 2 amps
nothing like blowing a cap on an induction motor I bet
The secondary voltages will buck a tiny bit when you parallel...but nort enough to matter really
pfred1: remember, you use sum(motor currents) * 0.666
surplus center or some such outfit has plenty really cheap
robin_z can't say as i cna recall
so 3 motors@2A = 4A PSU rating
well, it is.
hmm it seems like lots of people use rewound microwave transformers
which is why I am considering it
If you want to fine
I've already had power supply problems with this whole deal
but 150 va is a $20 problem if you buy it surplus
I cant imagine why you would waste time rewinding a txfmr .. they are dirt cheap
some things are worth making, somethings .. its just easier to buy the right thing straight out.
well make it if it's fun
I don't get to do as much of that lately
but winding txfmrs and messing with all those laminations .. ick
not my idea of fun :0
The toroid kits are quick to do
about 1 volt per turn
not to bad
pfred1: You looking at 48 volts?
and the primary is pre wound
rayh 48 volts for what?
toroids are fun to do ..
but then, i have a toriod winder :)
and, better still, I have a bloke who will stand in front of it all day and wind toroids .. thats even better :)
Gezr does crochet (sp) so he would like toriods