* robin_sz sticks a penguin gif on the Wiki
Careful where you stick your penguin
they can give you a nasty peck
what license do we want on this?
creative commons non-commercial?
Coo.. A new face
i'm trying to set up emc for the 1st time and was wondering if anyone might be able to help
had some specific questions
i have steppers - it seems like there are a lot .ini params that are for servos.
is there a sample ini file for steppers?
not wuite sure how to do a GPL on stuff ive not written ...
* robin_sz waves
any preference between a creative commons free-to-share / non-commercial license or GPL on the wiki?
hope you are not asking me, I live in a world that assumes that if it is on the net, its free perios
yeah, fair enough
I slapped a CC license on it, I'll change it to something else if people moan sufficiently :)
Paul has some stronger feelings about GPL, at least with respect to code
slapping GPL on stuff you havent written personally is nigh on impossible from what I understand
and I didn;t write everyting on the wiki
so I cant really see how I can GPL it ...
life consdiered too short
im sure it will be fine.
I would assume that copyright of any kind could only be apl
applied to the organization of the data,
whatever, lets see if we can get enough content thats worth copyrighting first :)
liked the new front page btw
I slapped a small chips on it.
by the way, seem to gotten my mIRC client and my firewall happier with each other
told you is was that NAT stuff
I would still like to figure out how to modify the banner so that the main title was a stable EMC reference, not just the name of the current page
like having Chips there
liek what do you have in mind?
EMC Info :: The Page Title
I'll hack the code ...
well, chips is on every page... can we just put a "EMC Knowledgebase" title at the top with a link to the wiki home page just like Chips?
still show current page title
gee, we already have a EmcKnowledgeBase link, just move it to the top and make it bigger
you mean like where it says EmcKnowledgebase now, that links to the frontpage, that again, but bigger
just updated BasicSteps to remove references to UseMod icon
im not sure that extra link works ...
OK, I get the tune, what are the words....?
hmmm mmmm ... mmmmm and my dog was dead ...
* robin_sz changes the colors for fun
bingo, it works, color is ...... well it's not white
how about e6e6ff to match LinuxCNC.org
im not sure that extra header line works
link works fine, perhaps we need to work on the text...
Chips and color lend continuity
takes up a lot of spcae
for now how about just add to it >> EMC KnowledgeBase for LinuxCNC
creen real-estate should be used by info, not trimmings
I put a link in back to linux cnc.org
* paul_c => food
ach, bored now
I don't understand the "backlinks" page that you get when you click on the current page title, does it serve a purpose?
shows you what pages link to this one
imagine .. i dunno
perhaps the current page title could be prefixed with "You Are Here >" or something like that
you are documenting some code
you might write a page about some function
it would be nice to see which pages referenced that page ...
guess it is useful, just wondering
it doesnt use any screen space, its judt 'there if you want it'
You are here? ... nah, thats as bad as 'click here' ...
I like the ones that are a complete clickable path tree home>there>here but that could get out of hand quickly on a wiki
weikis are not trees
so yo ucant fo the breadcrumb ting
so you cant do the breadcrumb thing
they are a flat web ... with a named start page
theres no hierarchical structure to them
so what is the magic for the banner, not style controls I guess
editing the config file :)
wanna see it? I can link to it
that basic, I see
CIA-temp448 is now known as CIA-7
where is the wiki??
url to the wiki?
so what's up?
I just got to work ;) (13:50)
no work to do, but a friend asked me to install a doze on his machine
didn't you say you work for your father's company? and it's also a saturday.
I do work for my dad
and I know it's a saturday :P
all days blur together for me.
downling 4.14, again... it died the first time.
maybe I should use getright, or something of the similar elk.
is there an ftp dump of BDI 4.14?
what link do you use?
[11:51:55] <A-L-P-H-A> http://sherline.com/emc/
just checking if it's done already
hmmm.. seems to be stalled too
* alex_joni downloads again
alpha, try my link to test the speed
why don't we use bittorrent?
what's the link? :)
[11:54:59] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/
but you'll have to wait a bit for the download to finish
for now you can test your download speed
I am getting 90k from sherline
still 2 hours ETA
alex_joni, you're hogging all the bandwidth. :) hehe
that's better... 85K
the link is at college
"screen" is your friend. :)
and there's about 150 MBit of bandwith there ;)
alex_joni, what's this win-emc.zip thing you have in there?
it's a emc compiled for doze
hmm... I wonder if I will go to NAMES this year...
I would have wanted to go to FEST
NAMES is in IL. and that's like a 10 hr drive
less than I would need to get there
yeah... where's RO?
eta: 105minutes. :(
wait, tha'ts not right.
yeah it is.
I have 2hrs+ ETA
it'd go faster if I wasn't downloading some torrents.
danfalck: Found a good home for the little power supply you got me.
It's working with emc to start the spindle, dust collector, and a fan to pressurize the lead screw housings on a router table.
Weather was up to 40 degrees f. yesterday.
hmmm.. that's ... above zero C?
Found a perfect set of bobcat tracks around the garbage bin and shop.
I could even see where she had looked up at the house and stepped back and forth wondering what to do.
Must have heard us inside.
* alex_joni shivers
A few years ago I had a pair that I could sit on the porch and toss hot dogs to.
Got within about 20 feet of them.
Talk about male dominance. He was. Slap her around when she got more meat than he did.
what would be better to mirror? Live or 2.18 ?
I'd say live but then I'm biased.
I tried yesterday to load live on a 2.2 Athalon and it was a no go.
* rayh is on the phone for a bit. Rmv dtuff.
* alex_joni is away for a while
I found that 2.18 was really limited in the drivers that I could use with new hardware.
But there are many users that would be content with 2.xx and older equipment.
* alex_joni is back
rayh: I plan to mirror them both, but for now I don't have the space neccessary
hi alex, quiet today?
I downloaded 4.14, and put it on my mirror
OK, I see it, thanks
I'm figuring out a way to increase the disk space
then I'll mirror them all
what is win-emc
emc compiled for windoze
real, or just for play
but it works
tkemc & backplot
nah... I put the java stuff in there, but you don't have to use it ;)
it's NIST's stuff
I compiled emcsvr too
and inivar for the .ini stuff
I did try to run freqmod on doze
even got it to compile & run
but I had problems with winxp output to parport
so I gave it up (didn't have the nerve to dig further)
not a surprise
on parport that is
win2k and xp need a speciall wrapper for direct io access
normally it's forbidden
and there's no ioctl() ;)
all too familiar
how familiar are you with .nml files?
not at all 8-)
did you have to hack the source much?
more the build environment
dsp & dsw files
Makefiles for M$
I used Visual Studio 6
pretty old, but worked
interesting, that would allow all the hooks to extend with VB right?
no idea :D
I never used VB
only once.. but I don't really know what I did then ;)
that is one of the things that allows the rampant development in Mach2, users can access variables and write macros
I agree... but you need an infrastructure to use that
and I think there are a lot of better solutions than VB
the problem with emc is that it's not that flexible to add new stuff
especially to NML
you think and I think, but Microsoft has brainwashed millions who are anxious to utilize their skills
well... I must admit I use M$ stuff too.. at work at least
like it or not, a large user base does drive development forward
I wonder about development with m$ stuff...
not to mention improvement
linux has some strong points, and some week points
the bottleneck seems to be that NML must specifically be modified for each new requirement
and not only in one place
but.. then again, depends on what you need to add
whereas the M$ environment simply requires the variables be "exposed"?
for a lot of stuff you don't need to add NML messages
but that depends on what you want to accomplish
showing my lack of knowledge of modern high level languages 8-)
one thing that would be usefull is to add classicladder to emc
but here there are a few differential opinions
I'd like to see classicladder connected to hal (to modify hal-pins)
paul thinks it would be best to connect it through NML to emc
both have their pro and cons
if you connect it through NML you can distribute it easily (e.g. classicladder running on a different machine)
if you connect it through hal, you won't have to extend NML
could the current EMC2 environment support multiple HALs on multiple machines?
that would seem to bypass the issue
that would be what I thought too
have classicladder connected to IO stuff through HAL on one machine
and connect to emc through NML on another machine
but I don't know if this is the best thing
it breaks IO into pieces
stepping on one machine
limits on another
I think we need to discuss this more
maybe tomorrow, when more folks are around
anyways... gotta head home now
well that should happen when all the principal players are available, later
anybody home ?
Anyone else ever get rayh's email labelled as spam by spam assasin? he's on a bad server or something.
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=4.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,
RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY,RCVD_IN_SORBS_MISC autolearn=no version=3.0.1
so, yes, but my autowhitelist and bayes more than compensate for it
if you are not using bayes and autowhitelist, you should.
had any feed back inre 4.14 problems ?
haven't heard anything about it
I don't run my server, and I don't know procmail, or how to setup the whitelist for freebsd.
my server = my mail server
just installed to this one, 800 mghz Mem: 659152896 lots of lock-ups and freezing of the system
A-L-P-H-A: oh if your ISP runs SA at the MTA you're probably out of luck with bayes and AWL.
yea, totally unuseable here
is the machien good (with another distribution)?
does it freeze only when running emc?
yea, 4.08 ran excellant
no, system is very sluggish, tried running time ./emc.run, system total lock up
so it is sluggish even when emc is not running?
seems like there was lots of modules that were not unloaded on start up
there was an error, they were all busy
yes, like the refresh rate was turned waaaay down
I bet paul will be around for the meeting tomorrow
must be something with all the modules not unloading, two screen fulls doing lsmod
is paul_c still in seattle?
just got back from getting myself 25lbs of beads :)
how are you guys doing today?
dam power outages !
Woo! New BDI is good!
That being said, I'd like a little diagnostic help to get Axis running
tkemc works, but axis pauses at one point, and does not come up until I hit Ctl-C
are using 4.14 ?
Ctl-c interrupts something with tkinter
Axis then comes up, but is unresponsive to F1/F2
asdfqwega: any problems with the install ?
I'm glancing over the axis script now, and first thing it deals with is tkinter (and some bug workarounds)
Axis displays properly (3D, can switch views) - it is not a dead window
i had problems installing, to the point that the system was not useable
Just can't get out of estop
can you click the estop icon?
I can click it, but nothing happens - but things seem to get a little slow for a moment
I wonder if paul tested it.
Let me fire it up again - I've got tkemc at the moment
do an lsmod and see how many modules are loaded
inivar = plat/nonrealtime/bin/inivar
INIFILE = generic.ini
RS274NGC_PARAMFILE = generic.var
starting EMC MOTION PROGRAM -- freqmod...
modprobe freqmod PERIOD=24000 IO_BASE_ADDRESS=0xc000 SHMEM_KEY=100
starting EMC IO PROGRAM -- bridgeportio...done
starting EMC TASK PROGRAM -- bridgeporttask...done
emcTaskInit: adding user-defined function programs/M101
running EMC DISPLAY PROGRAM -- axis...
this is where it sits