#emc | Logs for 2005-02-04

[00:11:43] <ottos> good evening gents...
[00:13:55] <ottos> night gents...
[00:33:07] <paul_c> BDI-4.14 is going up...
[00:33:54] <asdfqwega> About the wiki...
[00:34:20] <asdfqwega> could spammers have gotten anything out of it?
[00:34:50] <asdfqwega> I haven't been getting much spam lately, and I suddenly have 145
[00:35:16] <asdfqwega> Just wondering, since I did a minor edit of one wiki page
[00:35:50] <asdfqwega> paul_c: 4.14? Wow
[00:36:45] <asdfqwega> What's changed from 4.12?
[00:38:56] <paul_c> EMC documentation plus Sherline's docs.
[00:39:18] <paul_c> along with a few M$ utilities.
[00:40:37] <asdfqwega> Actually, I don't know how much spam I have - it got as far as 145, and timed out
[00:40:59] <paul_c> cleaned up two loose ends that would cause problems later on...
[00:42:40] <asdfqwega> Cool
[00:43:27] <asdfqwega> Well, I gotta get some shut-eye
[00:43:41] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega goes to see the taxman tomorrow
[00:45:13] <asdfqwega> The private sector kind, not the .gov kind :)
[00:45:37] <paul_c> * paul_c is busy burning CDs to mail out
[00:45:50] <paul_c> not going to get them all out tonight....
[00:46:00] <asdfqwega> Long list
[00:46:00] <asdfqwega> ?
[00:50:29] <paul_c> 20 odd names
[00:51:34] <asdfqwega> I can see that would take a while
[00:51:49] <asdfqwega> I'll be back around next week - hopefully with happiness and good news on several fronts
[00:52:35] <asdfqwega> take care
[01:01:38] <gezr> my shop is clean again :)
[01:20:27] <paul_c> * paul_c is outa here.
[01:20:30] <robin_sz> meep!
[01:20:44] <gezr> howdy robin_sz !
[01:20:48] <gezr> night paul_c
[01:21:38] <robin_sz> robin_sz has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum | Regular Developer's meetings every Sunday between 14:00 & 18:00 GMTgezr
[01:21:38] <ChanServ> ChanServ has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum | Regular Developer's meetings every Sunday between 14:00 & 18:00 GMT
[01:21:43] <robin_sz> hi gezr
[01:21:51] <robin_sz> grr.
[01:21:57] <gezr> ?
[01:22:08] <robin_sz> poxy irc software
[01:22:13] <gezr> oh,
[01:22:44] <robin_sz> why the poxy server lets you accidentally set the topic without admin privs, I have no freakin idea
[01:23:12] <gezr> the channel mode lock needs to have +t added
[01:23:34] <robin_sz> shrug
[01:23:37] <robin_sz> anyway ...
[01:23:40] <gezr> that way a user gets a message you must be op
[01:23:52] <robin_sz> the service droid fixed the server today
[01:23:53] <gezr> who knows
[01:23:54] <robin_sz> hurrah!
[01:24:10] <gezr> your server?
[01:24:13] <robin_sz> I now have awesome computing power :)
[01:24:16] <robin_sz> yeahm new dell
[01:24:35] <robin_sz> dual proc EMT64 .. mmm shiny
[01:24:56] <robin_sz> scsi RAID and all that jazz
[01:25:04] <gezr> sweet
[01:25:23] <gezr> but do you have cold beer?
[01:25:26] <robin_sz> seriously noisy though
[01:25:34] <robin_sz> ooh, lets see. ... no
[01:25:38] <robin_sz> no beer here
[01:25:42] <robin_sz> dear
[01:25:50] <gezr> ouch
[01:26:20] <gezr> so you been working with g2002?
[01:27:04] <robin_sz> yeah, a little
[01:27:09] <gezr> is it neat?
[01:27:14] <robin_sz> posted a wiki for that too :O)
[01:27:19] <robin_sz> its very neat
[01:27:25] <gezr> I dont know the main wiki site pages
[01:27:36] <robin_sz> for emc?
[01:27:46] <robin_sz> linked from linuxcnc.org
[01:27:49] <gezr> SteveStallings : I dont know if you got this the other day, but maybe you could try zircon in place of mirc as a windows client
[01:28:02] <gezr> robin_sz : oh okay :)
[01:28:17] <robin_sz> gezr: you mis-spelt wintendo
[01:28:19] <SteveStallings> nope, I didn't, seems my max connect time is about 15 minutes lately
[01:28:33] <robin_sz> SteveStallings: its your firewall
[01:28:47] <gezr> SteveStallings : yeah, see if zircon provides you with a better connect
[01:28:57] <robin_sz> I bet you are behind a NAT firewall arent you?
[01:29:09] <SteveStallings> firewall hasn't changed in months, yes I am behind NAT
[01:29:38] <robin_sz> irc and NAT often behave like that,
[01:29:53] <SteveStallings> I can punch through, do you know the ports?
[01:30:44] <robin_sz> 6667
[01:30:51] <robin_sz> tcp and udp
[01:31:45] <gezr> I dont know what it is I use for it
[01:31:54] <SteveStallings> udp ? - bad, with the reliability of the net during peak hours it gets dicy
[01:32:32] <gezr> try using the ip_conntrack_irc module :)
[01:32:58] <robin_sz> ive not examined the protocol, I assume its TCP control and UDP for data
[01:33:06] <gezr> if your using iptables that is :)
[01:33:34] <robin_sz> NAT firewalls and UD{ just dont seem to get on
[01:34:25] <SteveStallings> if I have to give up NAT or IRC, IRC goes
[01:34:44] <gezr> what client are you using, that may be all it takes
[01:35:20] <robin_sz> pinholing the firewall for IRC maybe all it takes, some more modern NAT systems have 'spplication helpers' you can dd in for things like nat
[01:35:36] <gezr> once a connextion is established, its maintained via the ping/pong session between the server and the client
[01:35:50] <robin_sz> they monitor the TCP forwarding and create matching UDP forwarding ...
[01:36:27] <robin_sz> gezr: except, udp is a conectionless protocol, which is where the fun starts
[01:37:17] <SteveStallings> I suspect my problem is lost udp packets. We experience peak periods of 25% regularly.
[01:37:42] <robin_sz> yikes
[01:37:59] <robin_sz> all those voip weenies I guess
[01:38:35] <SteveStallings> I cannot afford a good quality circuit. Both the ADSL and the cable seem to have the problem, different times of the day.
[01:39:06] <gezr> I can provide you with a shell and you could use a terminal client
[01:39:40] <gezr> its what I use, just bitchx nothing really fancy but many terminal clients exist
[01:39:46] <SteveStallings> One of these days I am going to upgrade to a fraction T1.
[01:40:44] <gezr> winbox-(putty)---linuxbox....bitchx.....----freenode.net
[01:41:19] <robin_sz> I really enjoy havin ADSL ...
[01:41:21] <SteveStallings> what, not bubblegum and bailing wire?
[01:41:33] <robin_sz> I did a full debian install in under an hour over ADSL :)
[01:42:21] <gezr> thats fast
[01:42:30] <gezr> robin_sz : so your liking debian a lot more I guess?
[01:42:56] <SteveStallings> Oops, I meant to say SDSL. That is the one with the server on it. Workstation is on cable which is plent fast, but more lost packets.
[01:44:33] <robin_sz> gezr: yeah, debain is my OS of choice now I think
[01:44:58] <robin_sz> actually, I could pick your debian brain here ...
[01:46:47] <robin_sz> I installed a 2.6 smp kernel ...
[01:46:47] <robin_sz> the old 2.4 smp kernel works fine .. uses a module called 'megaraid2' as the raid driver
[01:46:47] <gezr> okay
[01:46:52] <gezr> hmm, Im under lag or something
[01:46:54] <robin_sz> obvioisly that in the initrd, so it can bootstrp istelf etc
[01:47:08] <robin_sz> ...anyway
[01:47:55] <robin_sz> as far as i know, under 2.6, the bits of megaraid2 have been assimilated into the 'megaraid' module ..
[01:48:29] <robin_sz> but .. it still looks for megaraid2.ko, which doesnt exist, kernel painics and dies when you try to boot 2.6
[01:48:50] <robin_sz> it should be looking for megaraid.ko as best I can tell
[01:48:58] <robin_sz> ideas??
[01:50:19] <gezr> I dont know much at all about a 2.6 kernel, but if its looking, then in /etc/modules/ or in /etc/modules.conf there may be a mention of the module its self, but as your stating its needed for the boot process, have you tried installing it into the kernel?
[01:50:34] <robin_sz> no, its not looking in there
[01:50:44] <robin_sz> i know this
[01:50:57] <robin_sz> because ... it hasnt monted the raid array at this point
[01:51:47] <robin_sz> its still doing its bit from the mbr and initrd here ...
[01:51:47] <gezr> im thinking
[01:52:24] <robin_sz> * robin_sz watches the cogs go round
[01:52:24] <gezr> did you check your lilo.conf or your initrd for mentions of it?
[01:52:37] <robin_sz> lilo.conf .. this is grub
[01:52:49] <robin_sz> I have no clue how to check initrd
[01:53:08] <robin_sz> I assume the debian kernel pkg ting does someting
[01:53:10] <gezr> I dont know squat about grub, im reading about initrd now
[01:53:24] <gezr> it may not, are you just installing an apt-gotten kernel?
[01:53:32] <robin_sz> yep
[01:53:40] <robin_sz> kernel-image blah
[01:53:54] <gezr> that may be it, it may not know about the new kernel modes and such
[01:54:28] <gezr> let me read about how to at least cat out what the current initrd is, a developer who made that kernel may have included the module but not the proper load sequence
[01:54:45] <robin_sz> hmmm.
[01:54:52] <gezr> the module is installed in /lib/modules/kernel2.6.xxxxwhatever/whatever/megaraid.ko right?
[01:55:00] <robin_sz> yip
[01:55:36] <robin_sz> I cant see any mention of megaraid2 in the 2.6 tree ...
[01:55:42] <robin_sz> but I am a bit blind
[01:57:53] <gezr> check your grub config file
[02:01:36] <robin_sz> hmmm, ok, i; search for it
[02:01:41] <robin_sz> wow ...
[02:02:01] <robin_sz> a bloke just got arrested for not using IE
[02:02:51] <robin_sz> seriously. locked up by the police for using lynx
[02:03:04] <robin_sz> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/01/27/jailed_for_using_a_n.html
[02:03:12] <robin_sz> right ... bedtime for me.
[02:03:21] <robin_sz> night!
[02:04:14] <SteveStallings> found application note on firewall, punched hole for DCC for mIRC, we shall see
[02:06:13] <gezr> oh shucks he left
[02:06:31] <gezr> looks like he isnt the only one with that issue
[02:06:37] <SteveStallings> guess he does sleep sometimes
[02:06:44] <gezr> hahaha
[02:07:13] <gezr> I crashed out at 6pm cst yesterday, I was worn out
[02:07:53] <SteveStallings> I have been on IRC more than usual lately only because I have been chained to my workstation running PCB layout stuff
[02:08:49] <gezr> I guess thats both good and bad
[02:09:01] <gezr> im glad your around
[02:09:18] <gezr> im sure you can think of a million things you would rather do then be tied to a box
[02:10:06] <SteveStallings> yea, I tend to get lots of coffee, run to the toilet, anything for a break
[02:10:11] <gezr> im around mainly for the conversation, after a year off Ive decided to get my bike restored, a small xy table running emc, and then slowly learn how to program :)
[02:10:44] <SteveStallings> I need a month of "quality time" to come up to speed on Linux
[02:10:58] <gezr> I figured that whenever I try to rush myself I get over loaded, so for now im just concentrating on getting the bike back together
[02:11:27] <gezr> linux has undergone a lot of changes
[02:11:45] <gezr> a year ago I would have probably knew what was robins issue, but now I cant be so sure
[02:12:17] <gezr> it does however look like megaraid2 drivers were excluded and some sort of kernal pause/halt exists
[02:12:32] <SteveStallings> well, my last significant time in the *nix world was with MtXinu on a VAX750
[02:12:58] <gezr> oh wow
[02:13:01] <SteveStallings> all drivers had to be compiled into the source
[02:13:33] <SteveStallings> add a printer, recompile
[02:14:43] <gezr> oh goodness
[02:48:12] <gezr> im going to bed, you guys have a good evening/morning
[02:48:40] <SteveStallings> nite
[02:49:08] <A-L-P-H-A> later gezr
[02:50:05] <gezr> A-L-P-H-A : any luck with the backlash stuff? I didnt even know you were around
[02:50:23] <A-L-P-H-A> I just got back from a friends house.. pizza... and then waxed my snowboard at his house.
[02:50:32] <gezr> ah
[02:51:04] <CIA-7> 03jmkasunich 07halrefactor-0-1 * 10emc2/src/hal/ (hal_cmds.c hal_refactor.c): fixed a couple of warnings
[02:51:05] <A-L-P-H-A> backlash... I'm not gonna worry about it... it's 0.002 no matter what I put in... it's repeatable everywhere, and just something I can't do... it's probably the bracket flexing.
[02:51:23] <A-L-P-H-A> so I can't really do much, until I make a new bracket I guess.
[02:51:59] <gezr> I didnt follow the recent backlash post too much, but if Im thiking correctly, on the seimens 840D control, in its advanced upgraded modes, has a feature for backlash free hole drilling, in which every new x-y position is moved into the exact same way for every hole, reguardless of how it gets to the hole, its then repositioned to remove all backlash
[02:52:44] <A-L-P-H-A> that is neat to me.
[02:53:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I could just home all critical cuts, before moving to the next position... so always coming from one direction.
[02:53:13] <A-L-P-H-A> but... I'm not that ambitious at this moment in time.
[02:53:54] <gezr> well, you only have to move to the cut fromt he same direction, like get near, move x- and y- then x+ and y+ to correct point to remove all backlash and have the same load on each screw
[02:54:14] <A-L-P-H-A> but the mill works... I've machined flat a surface... reusing an industrial heat sink... machined it flat... gonna replace the heat sinks I have with that one after I measure everything on how to mount the geckos on it.
[02:54:44] <A-L-P-H-A> gezr, the backlash I do have is 0.002" on one... and 0.0001" on the other. So I'm happy enough with it... [though I would love to rove the 0.002".
[02:55:07] <A-L-P-H-A> it's small enough, that any critical parts I am gonna make, will be well within tolerances. [like brackets]
[02:55:11] <gezr> your milling thing basically is an up and down on your lathe right?
[02:55:19] <gezr> its not really a Z but an X or Y right?
[02:55:57] <gezr> the Y axis or centerline axis of a lathe
[02:56:33] <A-L-P-H-A> oh. the lathe... the lathe has 0.02 and 0.03mm backlash on the axes. They're compensated.
[02:56:46] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm talking the mill.
[02:57:19] <A-L-P-H-A> the lathe works mint... works great... I can create some nice curves and everything with it.
[02:57:23] <gezr> oh okay, check your backlash while putting constant upwards pressure on the spindle, just from your hand, if that works, then an indicated .002 may not exist when its under load
[02:57:25] <gezr> :)
[02:58:31] <A-L-P-H-A> the Z axis... that's just messed... it's on that original retractable spring. works well for most cuts I've made... I'm milled 1/4" Z with 4IPM, with an 1/2" 4flute endmill... I forget the speed.
[02:58:33] <gezr> and if that turns out to be true, and if its similiar to the picture you showed us yesterday, just hook a spring from the housing down to the clamp used to position the spindle downward to keep an even upward pressure on it
[02:59:21] <gezr> and you can always just say, I use that only as a safety margin incase something fails the spindle auto retracts :)
[02:59:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll take some photos tonight of the mill for you... and put them up on my gallery. :) I'm too tired/full right now to do much.
[02:59:55] <gezr> im tired too, sounds like your having a great time with it :)
[03:00:16] <gezr> ill check it out tommrow, you have a good night
[03:00:30] <A-L-P-H-A> I am... I was milling simple stuff, to figure out my feedrates and stuff... but I left the speed chart for the belts (which I took off the mill) in my room.
[03:01:07] <A-L-P-H-A> I have it right here... I think I was only going 850rpm, with an 1/2" endmill.
[03:01:26] <A-L-P-H-A> I was making chips, and nothing sounding like it was working too hard.
[03:01:53] <A-L-P-H-A> did a fly cut with an 2.5" shell face mill, and it was shiny... I could see reflections. :)
[03:02:01] <A-L-P-H-A> 1ipm and 850rpm could do i I think. :)
[03:03:07] <A-L-P-H-A> next time I'll spin the facemill fast, and go at a higher pace, or maybe even still do 1ipm...
[03:03:19] <A-L-P-H-A> dunno... that's why it's fun.
[03:05:50] <A-L-P-H-A> Y axis, is awesome. it's backlash is essentially none.
[03:06:28] <A-L-P-H-A> X axis, has 0.002" backlash, which I'm not able to compensate out... but i can live with that as it's repeatable everywhere.
[03:07:35] <A-L-P-H-A> Z axis, there is no precision in this "fine" quill feed handle. it's garbage essentially. But it's repetable, so it okay.
[03:08:00] <A-L-P-H-A> anyways... I'm repeating myself... so nap, and then I'll play with the mill more.
[05:27:15] <CIA-7> 03jmkasunich * 10documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx: fixed a typo
[12:40:17] <A-L-P-H-A> morning.
[12:40:41] <A-L-P-H-A> who's good with stepper motor drivers? I just realized that I have a 5phase 0.72deg motor. And I have nothing to drive it with.
[12:40:53] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm gonna have to make my own driver... and just gonna do half step with it.
[12:41:21] <A-L-P-H-A> the issue I have is doing the half step phase input, and how much current to give each phase...
[12:55:53] <robin_sz> meep?
[12:56:19] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[12:56:21] <robin_sz> 5 phase?
[12:56:29] <robin_sz> you need a 5 pahse driver matey
[12:56:35] <A-L-P-H-A> Can't figure out this 5 phase motor winding with a test meter.
[12:56:41] <A-L-P-H-A> nah? really? :) hehe
[12:56:49] <robin_sz> how do you know its 5 phase?
[12:56:56] <A-L-P-H-A> I could make one, if I figured out how the stupid wiring.
[12:57:25] <les> better read "jones on stepping motors"
[12:57:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I got the phases to drive.
[12:57:38] <robin_sz> sure?
[12:57:46] <robin_sz> sure its not just a 6 lead motor?
[12:57:51] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.pastebin.com/237571
[12:57:58] <A-L-P-H-A> 5 wire, 5 phase motor.
[12:58:31] <robin_sz> 5 wires?
[12:58:38] <robin_sz> you sure 5 wires?
[12:58:45] <A-L-P-H-A> this is a PK569AUHA Vexta Stepper motor. DC 2.8A, 0.55Ohm, 0.72degree/step motor.
[12:58:48] <A-L-P-H-A> Green
[12:58:56] <A-L-P-H-A> Black, Cream/white, red blue.
[12:58:58] <A-L-P-H-A> 5.
[12:59:00] <A-L-P-H-A> :/
[12:59:07] <robin_sz> well thats nt a 5 phase motr then is it
[12:59:11] <A-L-P-H-A> Says 5-phase right on the motor.
[12:59:19] <robin_sz> 5 wires and 5 phsaes
[12:59:28] <A-L-P-H-A> yes.
[12:59:33] <robin_sz> fscking weird that
[12:59:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I can photo it for you if you want. :)
[12:59:48] <A-L-P-H-A> If it were 10 wires!!! I'd be done, set... game.
[12:59:51] <A-L-P-H-A> making a driver board.
[12:59:52] <robin_sz> has someone snipped a wire of maybe
[12:59:55] <les> Vextra has complete specs on their site...I used it just a while ago
[13:00:02] <robin_sz> ahh, I get it
[13:00:25] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll call them up in an hour... to see if I can get the specs for it.
[13:00:59] <robin_sz> connect the windings in a .. pentagon shape, wire to each junction
[13:01:01] <robin_sz> or ...
[13:01:14] <robin_sz> 5 pointed star and a virtual neutral
[13:01:43] <robin_sz> just feed it sine waves 360/5 degrees apart on each lead
[13:01:45] <A-L-P-H-A> hang on.
[13:02:09] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.pastebin.com/237572 ohm readings
[13:02:55] <robin_sz> broken then?
[13:03:19] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.pastebin.com/237573 <-- better aligned.
[13:03:25] <A-L-P-H-A> I wouldn't think so.
[13:03:48] <A-L-P-H-A> when the wires are touching, there's lots of resistance.
[13:03:54] <A-L-P-H-A> when the wires aren't touching there's no resistance.
[13:04:00] <A-L-P-H-A> resistance when spining the shaft.
[13:04:02] <robin_sz> cream-black-red looks like a 3phase
[13:04:32] <robin_sz> you'l lneed a manual
[13:04:42] <robin_sz> ive not seen a 5 phase with 5 wires
[13:04:46] <robin_sz> thats odddddd
[13:04:48] <A-L-P-H-A> being, one of the wire would go to ground, and the other two powered?
[13:05:20] <robin_sz> sorry, ive stopped thinking about it .. it made my brain hurt
[13:05:46] <A-L-P-H-A> heh. sure
[13:10:53] <robin_sz> hmm ... seems none ie/mozilla browsers are illegal in the uk
[13:11:07] <A-L-P-H-A> illegal?
[13:11:12] <les> http://www.orientalmotor.co.jp/cgi-bin/WebObjects/UPOMStep.woa/wa/F3?typeNameId=2&modelName=UPK569AHW2&frameSize=60&seriesId=UPKW
[13:11:18] <les> that it?
[13:11:19] <robin_sz> as in police, arrseted etc
[13:12:19] <robin_sz> if they catch you using, say lynx, they send a swat team round, bust your door down and haul you off to jail
[13:12:26] <A-L-P-H-A> checking
[13:12:36] <A-L-P-H-A> oh, read that a few days ago.
[13:12:43] <robin_sz> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/01/27/jailed_for_using_a_n.html
[13:13:28] <robin_sz> fsck, ive hit a debian dead end ... my mkinitrd knowledge is at its limit
[13:14:38] <robin_sz> * robin_sz submits it as a kernel bug and stops caring
[13:15:23] <les> well off to the shop for me...another day's cherry chips to be made
[13:16:18] <robin_sz> hah!
[13:24:18] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/step/types.html#multiphase Jones is knowledgable
[13:36:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I am very angry at my computer... stupid thing is freezing intermittantly.
[14:07:13] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.orientalmotor.com/products/pdfs/F_TecRef/TecSt.pdf <-- after much hard research.
[14:12:44] <alex_joni> greetings
[14:19:04] <A-L-P-H-A> hello
[14:19:14] <alex_joni> hey alpha
[14:19:16] <A-L-P-H-A> 5phase 5wire stepper motor FUN!
[14:19:22] <alex_joni> cool...
[14:19:35] <A-L-P-H-A> no... I gotta buy parts and make a stepper driver.
[14:19:42] <A-L-P-H-A> there seems like something cool from allegra
[14:21:14] <A-L-P-H-A> 5 chips... 7407 7406 SI-7502 (allegra) SLA6503 (allegra) SLA5011 (allegra).... couple of resistors, diodes, caps... done.
[14:21:26] <alex_joni> what amps?
[14:21:49] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.8amps is what's written on the motor
[14:22:03] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.allegromicro.com/skncatlg/stepper/si-7502.pdf
[14:22:10] <A-L-P-H-A> allegra = allegro
[14:31:59] <alex_joni> looks pretty simple
[14:36:40] <robin_sz> still say those windings look broken :)
[14:36:52] <alex_joni> hey robin
[14:36:57] <robin_sz> hey
[14:36:59] <alex_joni> what's new?
[14:37:16] <robin_sz> mmm .. my debian server :)
[14:37:30] <alex_joni> working now?
[14:37:43] <robin_sz> can't get it to run a 2.6 kernel, but otherwise, yeah
[14:37:51] <robin_sz> ok on 2.4
[14:38:29] <robin_sz> the problem is with mkinitrd
[14:38:30] <alex_joni> 2.4 is pretty ok ;)
[14:38:36] <alex_joni> didn't try 2.6 yet
[14:38:50] <alex_joni> can't you compile the initrd contents into the kernel?
[14:39:01] <alex_joni> I usually used the ramdisk for needed modules
[14:39:08] <robin_sz> hmm. nealry
[14:39:17] <alex_joni> nealry?
[14:39:27] <robin_sz> see, in initrd is file called 'loadmodules'
[14:39:39] <robin_sz> and in there ... is a line
[14:39:51] <robin_sz> modprobe -k megaraid2
[14:40:06] <robin_sz> but there is no megaraid2 in 2.6
[14:40:12] <robin_sz> its just called megaraid
[14:40:20] <alex_joni> ln -s?
[14:40:21] <alex_joni> .D
[14:40:33] <robin_sz> well, hmm
[14:40:37] <alex_joni> or some alias in /etc/modules.conf
[14:40:42] <robin_sz> didn;t think of that :)
[14:40:50] <alex_joni> but I don't think initrd read /etc
[14:40:56] <alex_joni> that's only later on
[14:41:01] <robin_sz> cant reaD /etc
[14:41:03] <alex_joni> or simply rename it :D
[14:41:04] <robin_sz> right
[14:41:17] <alex_joni> I usually make a initrd image when compiling a kernel
[14:41:25] <alex_joni> to include the compiled modules aswell
[14:42:01] <robin_sz> well, this is poking the current kernel to figure out what it needs to include
[14:42:10] <robin_sz> and getting an answer it cant use later on
[14:43:01] <alex_joni> yup.. I had the same problem with ReiserFs when I compiled a 2.4 lately
[14:43:07] <alex_joni> I tried mkinitrd a while,
[14:43:20] <alex_joni> but then I just compiled reiser into the kernel, not as an module
[14:43:22] <alex_joni> and it worked
[14:43:30] <robin_sz> interesting
[14:43:53] <alex_joni> the initrd is optional AFAIK
[14:44:02] <robin_sz> sorta, yeah
[14:44:14] <alex_joni> it allows using modules before /lib/modules/ can be read
[14:44:24] <robin_sz> i need to install the .config for that kernel out of debian foo I guess
[14:44:29] <robin_sz> correct
[14:44:30] <alex_joni> along with other stuff I don't know about ;)
[14:44:36] <robin_sz> its a cramfs
[14:44:41] <robin_sz> try this:
[14:44:43] <alex_joni> like splashscreen, and such
[14:45:03] <robin_sz> mount -t cramfs -o loop /boot/myinitred.img /mnt/tmp
[14:45:16] <alex_joni> I see..
[14:45:22] <alex_joni> can you modify it?
[14:45:25] <robin_sz> no
[14:45:32] <robin_sz> cramfs is a read-only fs
[14:45:37] <alex_joni> too bad ;)
[14:45:49] <alex_joni> but mkinitrd has a lot of options if I rememberit corectly
[14:45:56] <robin_sz> it does
[14:46:01] <robin_sz> in /etc/mkinitrd
[14:46:03] <alex_joni> so you can tell it to include a lot of stuff
[14:46:04] <robin_sz> lots of conf
[14:46:21] <robin_sz> telling it to include megraid is fine
[14:46:37] <robin_sz> telling it not to include megaraid2 is harder :)
[14:46:51] <alex_joni> lol
[14:46:54] <alex_joni> I imagine
[14:47:03] <alex_joni> did you update the mkinitrd package?
[14:47:11] <alex_joni> maybe there's a newer for 2.6
[14:47:17] <robin_sz> hmmm
[14:48:19] <alex_joni> what kernel do you have?
[14:48:21] <robin_sz> how do you find out which package provides a command
[14:48:23] <alex_joni> 2.6.?
[14:48:37] <alex_joni> rpm -ql | grep command :D
[14:48:42] <robin_sz> currently?
[14:48:44] <robin_sz> 2.4.27-2-686-smp
[14:48:44] <alex_joni> but I think you want that for debian
[14:48:53] <alex_joni> and what 2.6 did you try?
[14:49:19] <robin_sz> 2.6.8-2-686-smp
[14:49:20] <robin_sz> and
[14:49:26] <robin_sz> 2.6.8-10-em64t-p4-smp
[14:49:43] <alex_joni> bear in mind that: "In the 2.6.9 and later kernels, the megaraid driver is now called
[14:49:43] <alex_joni> megaraid_mbox.
[14:49:57] <robin_sz> coo
[14:50:02] <robin_sz> how you know that?
[14:50:14] <alex_joni> googled for 2.6 megaraid initrd :)
[14:50:44] <alex_joni> If you change the megaraid entries in /etc/modprobe.conf
[14:50:44] <alex_joni> accordingly and remake the initrd, it should work fine.
[14:51:01] <alex_joni> but this info is for a Fedora 2
[14:51:13] <robin_sz> hmmm
[14:51:16] <robin_sz> interesting
[14:53:01] <alex_joni> maybe that's wherefrom mkinitrd takes megaraid2
[14:53:27] <alex_joni> try commenting out lines with megaraid2 in /etc/modprobe.conf and then mkinitrd
[14:53:47] <alex_joni> similar info for Mandrake: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/PowerEdge
[14:55:44] <robin_sz> seen that
[14:55:57] <robin_sz> looked promising
[14:56:10] <robin_sz> except .. I have no /etc/modprobe.conf :)
[14:56:13] <alex_joni> lol
[14:56:17] <alex_joni> modules.conf ?
[14:56:24] <robin_sz> debian is different in many way
[14:56:31] <alex_joni> really?
[14:56:42] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks twice about switching to debian...
[14:56:53] <robin_sz> yes, but it is stable
[14:57:01] <robin_sz> apt-get install foobar
[14:57:03] <robin_sz> aw
[14:57:06] <robin_sz> e
[14:57:08] <robin_sz> some
[14:57:10] <alex_joni> I haven't had any stability issues with SuSE
[14:57:18] <alex_joni> apt-get .. I agree
[15:03:43] <alex_joni> only thing... how do you figure out what's foobar ?
[15:04:19] <robin_sz> apt-cache search foobar
[15:04:26] <alex_joni> coo
[15:04:40] <alex_joni> any luck with that megaraid?
[15:04:45] <robin_sz> not so far
[15:04:50] <robin_sz> spent ll morning on it
[15:04:52] <alex_joni> :(
[15:04:56] <robin_sz> but ...
[15:04:58] <alex_joni> bugger
[15:05:02] <robin_sz> I do have this:
[15:05:17] <robin_sz> top - 15:07:26 up 2:26, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[15:05:17] <robin_sz> Tasks: 83 total, 1 running, 82 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
[15:05:17] <robin_sz> Cpu0 : 0.1% user, 0.1% system, 0.0% nice, 99.8% idle
[15:05:17] <robin_sz> Cpu1 : 0.0% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 100.0% idle
[15:05:17] <robin_sz> Cpu2 : 0.1% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 99.9% idle
[15:05:18] <robin_sz> Cpu3 : 0.0% user, 0.1% system, 0.0% nice, 99.9% idle
[15:05:28] <robin_sz> thats nice :)
[15:05:33] <alex_joni> yeah...
[15:05:56] <alex_joni> what cpus?
[15:06:09] <robin_sz> 2.8 ghz EMT64 Xeons
[15:06:18] <robin_sz> EM64t sorry
[15:06:36] <alex_joni> cooool
[15:06:47] <robin_sz> hardware raid and a 800mhz fsb
[15:06:47] <alex_joni> what do you use it for?
[15:07:19] <robin_sz> webserver, java apps, database, mail, voip hub
[15:07:55] <alex_joni> expensive?
[15:07:59] <robin_sz> cheap
[15:08:02] <alex_joni> cheap???
[15:08:03] <robin_sz> 1700 GBP
[15:08:10] <robin_sz> 1u!!
[15:08:13] <alex_joni> sounds cheap
[15:08:18] <alex_joni> 1U ????
[15:08:20] <robin_sz> dual PSUs too
[15:08:32] <alex_joni> where does all that fit in 1U?
[15:08:41] <robin_sz> shrug
[15:08:54] <alex_joni> don't wanna stick my hands in there
[15:09:14] <robin_sz> 2 scsi discs, a cdrom, two 1000baseT networks, two psus, ...
[15:09:29] <robin_sz> room for a floppy too
[15:09:34] <robin_sz> but I irdered it without
[15:09:51] <robin_sz> some nice touches too
[15:10:02] <robin_sz> like USB ports and a monitor port on the front
[15:10:04] <alex_joni> sounds great
[15:10:16] <alex_joni> monitor port on the front is great for rackmounting
[15:10:21] <robin_sz> exactly
[15:10:25] <alex_joni> hello paul_c
[15:10:35] <paul_c> Morning Alex
[15:10:36] <alex_joni> I plan to mount my servers in a rack,
[15:10:40] <alex_joni> with a KVM
[15:10:47] <alex_joni> how's vacation paul?
[15:10:53] <robin_sz> why bother with a KVM?
[15:11:03] <alex_joni> hmmm.. you might have a point
[15:11:08] <robin_sz> ssh -X
[15:11:11] <alex_joni> my server has no video card ;)
[15:11:20] <robin_sz> ace :)
[15:11:29] <alex_joni> only ssh for the last 3 years
[15:11:29] <alex_joni> :)
[15:11:35] <robin_sz> did you use a serial tty to set it up?
[15:11:43] <alex_joni> no.. I used a video card
[15:11:48] <alex_joni> and unplugged it later
[15:11:48] <robin_sz> ahh ;)
[15:11:52] <alex_joni> to get more uptime on the UPS
[15:11:53] <alex_joni> ;)
[15:11:55] <robin_sz> ever tried serial TTY?
[15:11:59] <alex_joni> yes
[15:12:03] <robin_sz> worked?
[15:12:06] <alex_joni> yup
[15:12:13] <alex_joni> what I liked the best...
[15:12:19] <robin_sz> you ran waht on the client machine?
[15:12:30] <alex_joni> there was a package to install a LCD as a TTY
[15:12:46] <robin_sz> kewl
[15:12:56] <alex_joni> LCD connected to parport
[15:13:29] <robin_sz> right, im off to finish changing this camm belt
[15:14:03] <alex_joni> yup
[15:14:38] <alex_joni> paul: these days I plan to upgrade a harddisk on the server hosting bdi-4.12
[15:14:45] <alex_joni> then I can mirror all ISO's...
[15:14:57] <paul_c> * paul_c is uploading 4.14
[15:15:39] <alex_joni> ok, I'll download it later
[15:17:19] <alex_joni> hey ray
[15:17:20] <paul_c> Morning Ray.
[15:18:00] <rayh> Hi Paul
[15:18:07] <rayh> Hi Alex
[15:18:32] <paul_c> gonna have 4.14 in the post to you this afternoon.
[15:18:42] <rayh> Fantastic.
[15:18:59] <rayh> With 10 I was not able to get it out of estop.
[15:19:34] <rayh> I didn't see any graphical user manager.
[15:20:15] <rayh> I know I can use text mode but typing in all those group names
[15:20:41] <rayh> paul_c: How is the west coast these days?
[15:21:33] <paul_c> up in the 70's during the daytime
[15:21:50] <paul_c> so no snow ;)
[15:21:58] <rayh> Getting a sunburn?
[15:23:08] <rayh> Hi Steve
[15:23:08] <paul_c> no with being inside all day.
[15:23:51] <SteveStallings> Hi guys
[15:24:27] <alex_joni> hey steve
[15:25:52] <SteveStallings> Paul - I did some minor edits on your BDI download page to allow for more organized listing of mirrors
[15:26:38] <alex_joni> steve: in a few days I'll be able to mirror all the cd's
[15:26:45] <paul_c> That's OK by me.. The entire bdi section needs an overhaul
[15:27:20] <SteveStallings> great news Alex!
[15:45:17] <rayh> The wiki is looking good.
[15:45:40] <rayh> I added a sandbox off the howto do wiki page.
[15:45:51] <alex_joni> should get announced on the lists...(don't remember seeing one)
[15:46:33] <SteveStallings> announced on developers, figured I would wait a bit for content to build, then announce on users, but that is just me....
[15:46:56] <alex_joni> must have missed it ;)
[15:47:32] <SteveStallings> hopefully the weekend should see more contributions "outside the sandbox" 8-)
[15:47:57] <cradek> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?RedhatInstall
[15:48:39] <alex_joni> you refer to the "sh*t" part cradek?
[15:48:56] <cradek> well I thought to myself "yay, someone wrote the redhat install instructions"
[15:49:02] <alex_joni> lol
[15:49:06] <cradek> but they don't look very helpful to me.
[15:49:20] <alex_joni> might convince you to try something else ;)
[15:56:09] <rayh> This wiki thing is going to be interesting!
[15:57:02] <rayh> I had a question about assuming a double caps word is a link.
[15:57:18] <rayh> This would make for intersting things with INI variables.
[15:57:45] <SteveStallings> yes, interesting isn't it
[15:59:11] <rayh> Not all bad though. A single INI link would create links to a page for each variable.
[16:01:52] <rayh> If we did that the question mark would show pages that are empty.
[16:03:30] <SteveStallings> you can avoid it with lots of work using &# encoding for cap, see the actual code behind examples like the word WiKi on the Basic Steps page. I also think all caps is treated as an exception to the rule.
[16:04:54] <rayh> Oh. Didn't know that. I'll try in the sandbox.
[16:05:36] <SteveStallings> you can also preview any page before you save it
[16:06:34] <rayh> You're right about the all caps.
[16:07:00] <rayh> Think separate pages would be better or worse for something like the ini.
[16:07:13] <rayh> Some would be very short while others would be pages long.
[16:13:22] <cradek> the wiki should have a "how to markup" link on the edit page
[16:13:32] <cradek> I can't figure out how to make a link to an outside site
[16:13:58] <alex_joni> cradek: simply type http://... in the doc
[16:14:05] <alex_joni> you don't need anything else
[16:14:20] <alex_joni> look at http://www.redpoint.org.uk/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?RtaiInstall
[16:18:24] <paul_c> * paul_c disappears to do some "work"
[16:20:50] <rayh> Is it possible to load images in a page?
[16:21:03] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has no idea
[16:21:51] <rayh> I would think that it should be possible using ordinary html for an imbedded image.
[16:22:04] <alex_joni> <img src=""> ?
[16:22:18] <cradek> no, I want my text to be a link
[16:22:42] <alex_joni> don't think that works cradek
[16:23:00] <cradek> grrrr
[16:23:03] <cradek> you're kidding
[16:23:08] <cradek> that's what hypertext is all about
[16:23:24] <alex_joni> I know
[16:23:31] <cradek> that's absurd
[16:23:34] <alex_joni> but I don't know how it can be done in this wiki
[16:23:37] <alex_joni> must be a way
[16:23:43] <alex_joni> but I don't know it..
[16:37:40] <rayh> I got a first try at an image in the sandbox. Not great but there from linuxcnc.org.
[16:38:19] <alex_joni> what sandbox?
[16:38:50] <rayh> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?SandBox
[16:40:40] <alex_joni> how can I edit the sandbox?
[16:41:21] <rayh> Down at the bottom of the page is an edit text button.
[16:41:32] <alex_joni> nope there isn't
[16:41:43] <cradek> does it say it's read-only?
[16:41:46] <alex_joni> This page is read-only
[16:41:56] <cradek> in Preferences, set your admin password to emc
[16:41:59] <SteveStallings> you need to go to preferences, see instruction on Basics page
[16:42:23] <alex_joni> coo
[16:42:59] <alex_joni> works
[16:42:59] <rayh> SteveStallings: That does load the image from your server, I think.
[16:43:44] <rayh> robin_sz: You around?
[16:43:54] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[16:43:57] <alex_joni> bye guys
[16:43:58] <robin_sz> hi ...
[16:44:38] <SteveStallings> yes image would be pulled from my LinuxCNC server
[16:44:42] <rayh> That's better.
[16:45:06] <rayh> I wonder if robin can spare the space for an image directory?
[16:45:09] <SteveStallings> full docs on the wiki server are at: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
[16:45:20] <SteveStallings> link to same has been put on basics page
[16:45:39] <rayh> Can we load images there?
[16:48:00] <cradek> can't we put them on sourceforge somewhere?
[16:48:45] <rayh> Might be able to.
[16:50:46] <SteveStallings> cradek - looks like there is a <nowiki> escape available, may work for pure HTML
[16:52:07] <robin_sz> rayh: sure, no problem
[16:52:40] <rayh> How should we work that?
[16:52:56] <robin_sz> i haveseveral
[16:53:00] <robin_sz> solutions
[16:53:04] <rayh> If sf will hold them it would be gentler on your server.
[16:53:41] <rayh> The wiki editor would need to send the image to a developer.
[16:54:09] <robin_sz> no
[16:54:43] <robin_sz> there is an upload facilty
[16:54:51] <robin_sz> for images abd stuff
[16:55:04] <robin_sz> or they can be emailed in
[16:55:35] <robin_sz> or, put the on sourceforge and put a link in the page
[17:12:53] <cradek> SteveStallings: I did it the easy way (showed the URL in the text)
[17:13:25] <cradek> even though I felt defeated by doing it
[17:13:27] <SteveStallings> ok, I tested the <nowiki> and it just suppresses all HTML interpretation within
[17:13:53] <cradek> huh
[17:14:32] <SteveStallings> <nowiki> this text can contain anything without being considered HTML </nowiki>
[17:15:07] <rayh> So you could use an example of html within plain text.
[17:15:15] <SteveStallings> yes
[17:15:19] <rayh> Without it getting interpreted.
[17:15:55] <SteveStallings> there is also a way to set the server to allow true HTML, but it is consider very risky
[17:19:29] <cradek> ok I figured it out
[17:20:02] <cradek> you can have [http://external.URL.here/dir/dir/file Link text here]
[17:25:34] <rayh> <nowiki> </nowiki> works.
[17:26:19] <SteveStallings> cradek's external URL trick works, but displays the brackets
[17:26:37] <cradek> I think it shows on purpose that it's external
[17:26:47] <SteveStallings> good enough for me
[17:27:03] <cradek> me too
[17:28:12] <SteveStallings> by the way, I found application notes to make my firewall IRC friendly and it seems to have helped
[17:31:04] <rayh> I just added a screenshot at sourceforge. I'll try to link it to the wiki.
[17:33:43] <robin_sz> images are easy
[17:33:56] <robin_sz> just put the url inline, no brackets nothing
[17:34:18] <robin_sz> it all happens by magic, as long as it ends in .gif, .jpg, .png etc
[17:34:48] <alex_joni> darn thing...
[17:34:57] <alex_joni> I'm talking to my browser right now...
[17:35:00] <alex_joni> :)
[17:35:07] <alex_joni> I wonder where this is going to...
[17:36:12] <robin_sz> The down side of this is that the image must remain in place and each look at this page hammers the other server.
[17:36:16] <robin_sz> thats not quite true
[17:36:31] <robin_sz> once youve looked at it once, its cached in your browse
[17:36:33] <robin_sz> are
[17:36:40] <alex_joni> maybe even proxy
[17:36:45] <alex_joni> but still..
[17:36:46] <robin_sz> so it only hammers the remote server once
[17:36:52] <alex_joni> for one user
[17:36:56] <alex_joni> but not for 1000 users
[17:37:03] <robin_sz> shrug
[17:37:08] <robin_sz> like we have 1000 users
[17:37:19] <robin_sz> till someone slashdots us :)
[17:37:36] <alex_joni> yup
[17:37:41] <alex_joni> then you have to hang on
[17:38:42] <robin_sz> no, then you have to phone your mate Greg at akamai, and invoke the content delivery network :)
[17:41:17] <rayh> screenshots at SF are saved in a db. The extension does not show as jif png or whatever.
[17:42:18] <paul_c> bdi-4.14 up and linked..
[17:42:34] <alex_joni> ok.. getting it now
[17:46:54] <alex_joni> 160-200 kB/s
[17:48:18] <alex_joni> paul_c: what's new in 4.14 ?
[17:50:55] <paul_c> documentation
[17:52:50] <alex_joni> ok
[17:52:57] <alex_joni> added to the changelog
[17:53:10] <alex_joni> * alex_joni really likes opera 8
[17:55:05] <jepler> it's gotta be hard to be $40 better than Firefox
[17:55:37] <alex_joni> I keep it as shareware
[17:55:40] <alex_joni> but it rocks
[17:56:00] <jepler> "shareware" means it blares ads at you, right?
[17:56:12] <alex_joni> yup
[17:56:23] <alex_joni> but most of them are even interesting ;)
[17:56:29] <alex_joni> not that I care for them
[17:56:31] <jepler> bah
[17:56:56] <jepler> given that Firefox's killer feature is the adblock extension, I don't think shareware Opera is for me either
[17:57:04] <jepler> * jepler counts the computers he browses on
[17:57:07] <cradek> back when I used it, they were easy to block with a proxy, but why bother?
[17:57:23] <alex_joni> opera blocks ok for me
[17:57:28] <jepler> $200 if it's a per-machine license
[17:57:30] <alex_joni> don't need anything else
[17:57:35] <jepler> opera blocks what? Opera's own ads?
[17:57:44] <alex_joni> not his own ads
[17:57:49] <alex_joni> but popups & such
[17:57:59] <alex_joni> you can select ads related to your browsing
[17:58:17] <alex_joni> that gives sometimes better results than google.. ;)
[17:58:22] <cradek> are they ever animated?
[17:58:23] <jepler> sorry, I don't mean to argue about it, but Opera is not for me.
[17:58:56] <jepler> here's one opera screenshot with a text ad: http://www.opera.com/docs/screenshots/720/01/
[17:59:00] <alex_joni> didn't see any animated
[17:59:11] <alex_joni> but then again I use opera for about a year or more
[17:59:18] <alex_joni> so I don't watch that area anymore ;)
[17:59:28] <alex_joni> I like the RSS feeder
[17:59:56] <alex_joni> pop3/imap/irc client
[18:00:02] <alex_joni> but .. that's just me ;)
[19:06:04] <anonimasu> hello
[19:06:06] <anonimasu> is anyone here?
[19:06:33] <paul_c> flitting in & out..
[19:06:52] <anonimasu> ah ok..
[19:07:03] <anonimasu> I cant seem to get -invert to work in the config..
[19:07:05] <anonimasu> for the pinouts
[19:07:36] <anonimasu> is it a bug or somthing
[19:07:36] <anonimasu> ?
[19:08:12] <cradek> what is -invert?
[19:08:43] <anonimasu> it's used in HAL to invert the output of a pin
[19:09:01] <anonimasu> page 63 in the introduction
[19:09:05] <cradek> ah
[19:09:14] <anonimasu> my geckos go in reverse
[19:10:11] <anonimasu> :&
[19:10:38] <cradek> can you set position-scale to a negative number?
[19:11:03] <anonimasu> and when I add -invert into the standard_pinout.hal it fails to load it
[19:11:18] <anonimasu> will emc2 accept that?
[19:11:23] <cradek> I don't know
[19:11:26] <anonimasu> ok
[19:12:16] <anonimasu> bleh, I guess I'll hack the code to force invert it.
[19:12:19] <cradek> just a guess
[19:12:45] <anonimasu> if that dosent work..
[19:12:52] <anonimasu> i'll be back in a bit
[19:12:55] <paul_c> file a bug report
[19:18:59] <paul_c> * paul_c is having another go at uploading bdi-4.14
[19:19:14] <paul_c> the checksum was out on the last attempt.
[19:23:35] <cradek> darn tcp
[19:23:50] <cradek> that sucks when it takes you so long
[19:24:38] <Imperator_> Hi all
[19:24:46] <Imperator_> what's new on bdi-4.14 ???
[19:25:09] <Imperator_> and how has made this version ??? You Paul `???
[19:25:53] <Imperator_> or sherline ?
[19:27:28] <paul_c> Documentation is the main addition... Also cleaned up a couple of loose ends.
[19:31:19] <Imperator_> so that's your version
[19:32:26] <paul_c> in conjunction with Sherline, yes.
[19:33:08] <Imperator_> ok, i have sean you are searching also for other mirrors
[19:33:31] <Imperator_> so i can download it to my server if that is usefull
[19:34:06] <paul_c> It will help to relieve the load on the Sherline servers..
[19:34:34] <paul_c> But please wait for a couple of hours - Still uploading.
[19:34:34] <Imperator_> ok, i can do that on monday
[19:39:38] <anonimasu> bleh..
[19:39:45] <anonimasu> I hacked the hal_parport.c to invert it for me.
[19:40:09] <anonimasu> I think the error is in the config file parser..
[19:41:12] <anonimasu> didnt look into it that much though..
[21:52:31] <paul_c> Afternoon Ray
[21:55:18] <rayh> paul_c: Hi. How did the upload go?
[21:56:26] <paul_c> Completed.
[21:56:44] <paul_c> Postman has picked up yours.
[21:57:27] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[21:57:54] <rayh> Thanks.
[22:07:13] <slomo> getting a kernel panic with 4.12, whats changed since 4.08 ?
[22:10:29] <paul_c> fresh install or an update ?
[22:10:46] <paul_c> if the latter, do a mkinitrd.
[22:13:09] <slomo> fresh install
[22:30:54] <paul_c> Any info from the kernel as to the nature of the panic ?
[22:32:42] <slomo> on boot up from cdrom, kernel panic, try passing an option
[22:34:07] <paul_c> OK.. Kernel panic on the CD...
[22:34:49] <paul_c> Try updating from the CD - Remembering to mkinitrd before rebooting.
[22:36:32] <slomo> so with 4.*, there is a way to update ?
[22:36:51] <paul_c> yup
[22:37:05] <paul_c> apt-cdrom add
[22:37:16] <paul_c> apt-get upgrade
[22:37:29] <slomo> ah, forgot about that
[22:37:50] <paul_c> mkinitrd and add an extra line to grub's menu.lst
[22:38:13] <slomo> was having some other problem as well, famd not wanting to umount any floppies or cdroms
[22:38:49] <paul_c> check fstab
[22:39:25] <slomo> ok, thanks
[22:39:48] <paul_c> the cdrom & floppy line should contain user rather than users
[22:40:45] <slomo> fresh install of 4.12 on this computor,had some small glitches
[22:41:28] <slomo> mostly with formatting of harddrives, kept saying they were full
[22:41:34] <paul_c> Hang on - If 4.12 installed without error, 4.14 should have done too
[22:41:43] <paul_c> do an md5sum please.
[22:42:13] <slomo> md5sum is good, the problem with the kernel panic is on the scsi putor
[22:42:47] <paul_c> figured it would be...
[22:43:02] <gezr> hello guys
[22:43:10] <paul_c> Yo gezr
[22:43:30] <slomo> two different putors, workshop=scsi, no internet and one in the house
[22:47:50] <gezr> I found a place who can powder coat for me :)
[22:49:08] <gezr> paul_c : I could probably host a mirror, but I think im capped at 10kbs up, im not sure
[22:50:30] <paul_c> At 10k it would take days for anyone to download
[22:51:46] <gezr> oh mbs
[22:52:07] <gezr> I dont have a large enough file on the node to test it
[22:52:18] <gezr> I could try one of those bandwith testers?
[22:56:37] <gezr> i have yet to find an upstream test
[22:57:13] <paul_c> * paul_c did find a site or two a long while back...
[23:02:44] <gezr> im not going to install java to do this, its supposed to be 10mbs base I believe
[23:14:53] <A-L-P-H-A> :) I just bought a 5mm, and 3mm drill ($4.99 CDN with tax for both). A 1-2-3 block, a 2", 3" and 5" V block, and some 3/16HSS bits for my boring bar. And some metal epoxy... :) spent some money today.
[23:18:51] <slomo> md5sum for 4.14 ?
[23:34:28] <A-L-P-H-A> WHA?!
[23:34:39] <A-L-P-H-A> there's 4.14 now? I just downloaded 4.12 like two days ago.
[23:36:47] <A-L-P-H-A> getting 4.14 now. :(
[23:37:06] <A-L-P-H-A> slomo, BDI-EMC v4.14 - Debian based - MD5SUM: f7d64d24f2dc728f5baacd7a8f9f90a4
[23:37:19] <A-L-P-H-A> as shown here. http://sherline.com/emc/
[23:37:57] <slomo> thanks
[23:37:59] <A-L-P-H-A> and who does MONTH.DAY.YEAR???? I hate that formart... makes no sense to me.
[23:38:04] <A-L-P-H-A> format
[23:38:08] <A-L-P-H-A> must be english. ;)
[23:39:06] <A-L-P-H-A> Leaves way too much ambiguity. Why not? Say, Feb, 1st, 2005? Or 2005-02-01 [Deminishing calendary units]
[23:41:13] <slomo> i got 4.14 from dsplabs link, there's no md5sum for that location, the one above doesn't match my dl
[23:41:18] <slomo> shouldn't it ?
[23:41:26] <A-L-P-H-A> it should match.
[23:41:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd suggest sherline.com/emc as that's official.
[23:41:44] <A-L-P-H-A> maintained by paul_c.
[23:42:14] <slomo> supposed to be mirrors, i thought
[23:43:10] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[23:55:47] <paul_c> It could be that the dsplabs file is corrupt - Email Alex & let him know...