2k a month ..
it seems so
I have to get some pencil and paper and figure this out
you need to be careful you dont say 108 when 40 of them were sanded the day before and paitned today
or a psread sheet :)
I was always r&d
I like production
I like organising production ..
but not doing it!
but I may be kidding myself or ignoring things here
well..we have the counts in the boxes
it's getting done
but ... if you do 100 a day, thats enough, right?
but should be MUCH more
les_away: ofcourse buying lots makes it cheaper.. but well I might need 5 kg in total..
the customer will buy EVERYTHING we make
sounds like the cnc could feed two sanders
of all kinds of alu, both blocks, and shafts stuff..
so I guess it's not enough
yes cnc could feed 2
les_away: how much do you have to watch over the cnc?
and, batched, you could paint 200 in an hour if you had to
ANON: I but in 100 kg or so
Robin: yeah I could do that many
les_away: took breakage and stuff?
* robin_sz wonders if you could make up enough bicycle chain conveyor to hold 200
then it would be worth automating the paint ... on they go as you do them, out they pop
6 hours later
oh...I am getting about 10 hrs/tool
that's not bad
$50 to buy
$12 to sharpen
I was mostly curious if you have to watch the machine work or if you can just leave it running
no problem there
anon: very good question
I monitor the machine pretty closely
the other thing might be to 'palletise' the blanks on MDF pallets, speed up the change over
mostly for your own sake, I remember you saying you were watching it for 2 hours..
I wonder If I should
Robin: good idea
anon: It is tense watching it a lot...but you still get sleepy after a while
I know the feel of it
I used to watchthe laser,
now I just hit go and leave it.
I've been watching my machine roughing for a hour.
just waiting for an alpha partice to hit a memory cell anf 500 kg of iron to go wild
so I watch
but fall asleep
hm hard stops?
bet the limit switches grab it before you do!
err that was what I thought about
have linmit switch and hydroulic shocks on all axes
I so want your machine les :)
well then, off to the paint booth with ya!
hows the spindle search going?
switching to computer glasses...I am not a touch typist
no joy on spindles so far
Ideal would be a 5 hp colombo I think
night guys it's getting way past bedtime :)
hope you get some good ideas :)
ha... me too... thanks
I have to go out to the shop and epoxy some reinforcing to the spoilboard
no rest for the wicked
some hold down bolts puuled through
not using toggle clamps?
mdf is just very thick Kraft paper
no...I made a clamshell thing
works good...but tightened the bolts too much
tore right through
putting some steel angle iron reinforcement on
I used to mount the blank on an MDF pallet, and use plain ol pozi screws from the back
must glue tonight
toggle clamps held the MD pallet agaisnt astop
for epoxy to be cured 6 am tommorow
* robin_sz ndos
also need to glue poy backed sandpaper to the board
then I would not have to clamp so hard
Have not measured forces
but it's pretty big when the tool gets dull
with MDF pallets you could vacuum clamp, with some sort of register pin
right...good idea...must think about that
you could prep a whole bunch, instead of just watching :)
we are talking a lot of wood here...I think we have gane through 500 kg of cherry this month so far
doesnt sound a lot to be honest ...
no it isn't really
ive seen big routers at carcas plants with multi-tonne stacks of MDF
but seems big when before the machine was idle most of the time
paying its way now though
or you are working for peanuts :)
and thats a monkeys job :)
* paul_c disappears for tea.
3 min= $4 is not great but ok
that is just value added
see you all tomorrow.
sell for 6
argh he's too fast for me
My goal coming down here wasd to perhaps make half a corporate salary working half the time
and play the rest
so what you really need to know is how much does it contribut to fixed costs
good part is:
I don't pay for the cherry
I am getting enough scraps to make an awful lot of cherry glued up butcher block too
This whole deal is not as huge money maker...just ok
combine that with doing a bit of engineering and I'm fine
I'm just wanting to improve the productivity because I am working too much
money is good, but work sucks :)
I should not be working at all...just watching haha
I have an arts & crafts remodel and a two hole golf cours to do...
and a bridgeport retrofit...which one better categorise as a hobby
like when I rescrape machine ways...
I must tell myself " this is not work, but recreation"
only way to justify it
well had better go out and epoxy that spoilboard so it will be ready tommorrow
whew, almost finished making my new bead blasting cabinet :)
so much fun... I drill and tap a 6-32 hole... and order 6-40 set screws. SMART! :)
gezr... :) fun! Rivets or welds or bolts? [I'd prefer rivets and then weld it.]
or tac weld it in place first. :)
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lunch? it's 5am here. :(
it's noon here
I'm having my first meal
seems a lot of people jumped on the 2.6 train
I have yet to setup EMC for my lathe.
going to try and redo everything on my mill [well. make it usable]
sleep time. I think.
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hi alex_joni, what's new?
been painting today ;)
I think I need to install a 2.6 system
a lot of people are complaining about 2.6 compile failures.. :(
* alex_joni gone home
* paul_c checks emails...
darn - I wish I could send replies to the list at the mo.
surely you have some sort of web to e-mail bridge available to you....
yes, but it's not nice to use.
paul_c: if you can remember your login on quacky, you should find http://www.quacky.co.uk/sqwebmail
works as a web based email client, you can send with any id you choose
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Did 4.10 install.
yes - CD in the post.
Cause this knoppix is just about dead.
And I am ready to completely quit my own kernel stuff.
Have you got a plan for getting the 2.6 versions of emc stuff into sf.
some of it is there, juust need to clean up a few more files and commit the remainder
will probably tag with the deb version number
again I request that you tag whatever is in each BDI release with that BDI's number.
can use multiple tags.
otherwise I can't help anyone who is using BDI.
rayh: Did you have any docs you wanted adding to this CD ?
Linux cookbook and apt howto.
I'll second the apt howto especially
If you want them included, now's the time to send them over.
What do you think of the idea of splitting the kernel modules in to a seperate package ?
Does that get us back near rcslib and emc or is this different.
freqmod, smdromod, etc in one package, and all the plat/nonrealtime stuff in another (along with the configs & docs)
Will that get us around the issue I had with the reinstall?
It would help
there seems to be a debian tradition of splitting an app into
foobar and foobar-modules
foobar-modules being the kernel modules, obviously
how about a emc pseudo-package that includes the emc-application and emc-modules, and depends on kernel-image-rtai_whatvere
then any debian user can just add a source to his/her /etc/apt/sources and apt-get install emc
just choose whther you want the stable or bleeding-edge emc by changing the source line
Would there ever be a time that one would want one half of the whole without the other?
if you just wanted the sim stuff
I guess only emc-modules should depend on the kernel-image-rtai
emc-app neednt I guess
From past experience I'm skeptical.
Although one might upgrade the interpreter or gui and use the same motion modules.
I see the stable and bleeding edge being .debs that anyone who can type a command can install
if you want to mix and match, you'll need the source
but again, it should be the debian source package
apt-get source emc-application
paul_c: would you also split the source into two packages?
no - Single source
So it would need to build and replace both of the bin packages?
there could be two make commands
then use dpkg to install.
The only remaining bothersome detail is throwing out a good working EMC in order to test another.
not really a problem is it? as you can just apt-get it back?
presumably thats where it cam from
you can use dpkg to install an older version
one advantage of splitting the RT modules - You can have multiple kernels that should all be able to run EMC
back in a bit - gotta go and do some testing.
I've not had any luck with dpkg backing up. With knoppix here is is a disaster.
'course that's the bleeding edge version rather than testing.
rayh: ive not had any luck with the knoppix stuff, my boxes dislike the installer
I'll look at splitting up the package when I do a 2.6.10 build - Use that version to correct a number of other issues at the same time.
rayh: I get some error about 'broken or incompattible bios'
rayh: I get a similar one with debian sarge, but I can get around that with floppies
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* robin_sz wonders if the realtime features of 2.6.10 will be useful
not for hard realtime control.
possibly not for stepper based stuff
makes me wonder about servo loops though
esp. with the availablity of high resolution realtime timers
robin_sz: I think the MatPLC folk are using the stock 2.6 in a series of experiments.
rayh: ive seen a couple of projects switch from other RT solutions to the 2.6 native timers
one was using quite a novel idea, theres a hardware timer in the USB_UHCI stuff you can genenrate predicatabel interrupts with
I saw something about that.
Was thinking of a little hardware interface that would store a few loops of the motion stuff.
enough to cover one usb loop.
have to check modes for a user
sorry bout the interruption
* asdfqwega prods paul_c
My Knoppix is dead (and broken), long live the Debian
mirc is having such issues. :(
paul, I got the impression from some things on here and your email on emc-users, that the .deb builds have problems?
I was having problems with homing in emc-0.0.1-11-i386.deb, and I really hope it wasn't just me :P
Namely, hardware was OK, IO_Show said signals were good, but homing wasn't getting them.
I had some other problems, but they were probably Knoppix or hardware related - I'll find out when I test the old motherboard
asdfqwega: emc-0.0.1-11 has a bug that homing triggers.
it is fixed in 0.0.1-14
* paul_c sneaks off for lunch.
I'll bre-...er, try it out right away ;)
Hm...I'm getting about 1% dropped packets on the wireless link...
I guess it's so cold, they're freezing in mid-air and falling on the ground :)
ive gone already?
A guy called me about a feed override manual potentiometer connection for servo emc
anyone done this?
Would need to use an analog in on the card
and make a few changes to the GUI and/or the task controller...
anyway this guy is a machine rebuilder in atlanta and wants to use emc
I can show him some emc things....
It wouldn't need much to code up - The biggest challenge would be reading from the ADC
just an io port right?
and connect that number to whatever nml message is used for feed override
'pends if the ADC is a stand-alone or on a card (like STG or Vital)
This guy just bought a vital
You could write an NML handler, but hacking in to the GUI or task controller would be less effort
I think it has plenty of spare adc
some seem to want real knobs to turn rather than gui stuff
They are a bit slow on a marginal computer
axis on a fast computer might be much better
Oh well...I am just looking to get a BP sries 2 to retro from this guy
have been hunting
but also needs to be close
ha...funny...I start making some halfway reasonable money and what do I do?
buy many more tools of course
do I really need them?
For an excellent feeling of satisfaction if nothing else
cast iron junkie
What I really need is more space
that shop has become tiny
If you convince the guy that EMC is for him, I can customise a CD...
sorry was away emailing him back
Paul: this guy wants to try to make a living retrofitting old machines with emc
I ought to have him talk with Matt haha
Matt the real estate agent