[00:10:55] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.warshipmodels.com/~SteveNuttall/lights.jpg
this guy LOVES his light.
that's 3 halogen lights.
oh yeah... I said I would photo my lathe...
[00:17:49] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.lloydleung.com/EMC/Lathe_photos
looks nice :9
the splash guard closes, and I usually have coolant running into a buck ...
* robin_sz needs someone to test somethng with
windows PC and some audion ...
you know you want to :)
I suspect looking for people with 'doze on here is not a good place to start :)
wth is audion anyway?
* robin_sz cant type
XP and speakers?
actually, I do have a w95 box up right now, but no sound card
none of my boxes have sound
id forgotten abou that
yu could have heard me wittering on maybe :)
that would have been cool
hmm... my wife's puter is XP w/sound
and she's out
no IRC there tho, and it's upstairs, with this box downstairs
so unless it's really simple to do....
1 url and an instruction :)
actually. it wont make much sense without irc
as i wont know when to flip it over to voice mode from 'on hold' music
it was the 'does the on hold music stop when I enter the conference' bit I wanted to test ...
just as well... I should keep at what I'm doin
nothing falling now, got 20cm+ since Fri night
actually, I could reboot the laptop into 'doze
weve had zilch all year
nah, I love it!
but insulate it well
you love clearing driveways and such
I just dont bother
i get out the 2stroke 125 with the knobbly tyres and play :)
work can go hang :)
unfortunately I can't hang my work, nor the grocery shopping, etc, etc
right .. booting to 'doze
yeah, I know
I wonder what he needed.
I was cleaning my room more.
an endless, ENDLESS, E-N-D-L-E-S-S task.
"I have yet another ruined motherboard
"Could you find it in your grace to send to me a STABLE AMD motherboard?
"If a certain place needs freeze over first, I don't mind."
"I know I've fallen behind in my beatings of WinXP users,
"But if my hardware would live, I'd have more time for...other things."
I have THE ABSOLUTE WORST BASTARD LUCK with Via/AMD stuff
Maybe I'll flog it on ebay like everybody else...
And like everyone else, I'll take a picture of the motherboard, sitting bare on shag carpet
I'll have some woolen sock and sweater in one corner of the picture, too
Maybe my Van de Graaf and Tesla Coil, too - just in case they don't get the hint
having a nice day, are we?
Another mobo for the recycle bin
I need to track down some more i81x boards
I've got just one left
However, it's one I wasn't expecting to take out of it's case...I've actually glued the heatsink to the Celeron 400
so im lookin for the BDI-Live_rc46.iso but the link at the sherline site is broken can i get any help here?
I'm afraid I don't know anywhere else to download it
the real expert on that is Paul C, but he
he's out of touch for a couple weeks (moving, I think)
thanks for the info
sorry I couldn't be more helpfull
most folks are here earlier in the day
you could also post to the emc users mailing list
[03:44:18] <jmkasunich> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
i will give that a try thx
OMG... he's not moving to seattle is he?
I'm not sure he's moving at all... but I thought Ray said something about a move
time for bd\ed
time for bed (can't spell)
[06:06:09] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.lloydleung.com/EMC/Axis-spindle_assembled
- the Axis is almost complete... just need the bracket now.
03zwisk 07halrefactor-0-1 * 10emc2/src/hal/ (19 files in 3 dirs):
Massive refactoring of hal into hal_refactor.[hc]
Lots and lots of warnings
start of an ioctl interface to hal (use mknod /dev/hal char 251 0)
halcmd is starting to come back together
new 'newpart' hal command
* anonimasu yawnsz
me agrees as usual
* alex_joni agrees as usual
but.. I got coke-support today
I need a pepsi.
I've already had some coke..
that makes it a little bit easier
had some left from yesterday in the fridge
_never_ mix those
it might get some weird side-effects
I looked at classicladder
looks pretty nice
to connect that to hal .. would be something
[09:22:51] <alex_joni> http://membres.lycos.fr/mavati/classicladder/
it's a PLC-controller
we plan to integrate that into emc2
* anonimasu is writing a serial message parsing interface for the plc today
so you can write your PLC software
is there any way to get serial messages/NML messagers over the serial prot ?
use a SLIP interface
you would need a SLIP device on the other end aswell
and you probably don't have one
on the other hand...
I don't think you really need NML messages on serial
hm, thinking about using the plc as interface at the machine..
SLIP presumes a TCP/IP stack
don't think you want to code that
it has a panel.. with numeric keys..
and 16 ins and outs... ;)
I'd write a HAL-driver for it
hal-module connects per serial (your protocol) to the PLC
hm, I need to get into hal..
and exports all 16 in/out pins, and whatever more pins to HAL
not that hard
I could help you
that'd be great :)
but only a bit later
you could look at some software first ;)
yeah I need my machine running first
last thing I did with HAL is ioControl.c (emc2/src/emc/iotask/ioControl.c)
I looked at it right now and it looks nice
the part you need for HAL is pretty simple
for real-time it's a bit more complicated, but not much
hm, I need to write a realtime part too... I think
if I am going to do feed compensation..
but that's a later problem
I think it'll be too slow to do it non realtime..
problem will be accessing the serial port in RT
but RTAI has some support for that
hm I could use a pin on the paralell port..
and implement a serial interface on that?
or use the pin for adjustment?
use the pin for adjustment..
think you need more than one pin for adjustment
I could send data through 2 pins..
one clock and one data..
the PLC needs to tell you more than 'wait'
that's a PITA
there is rt_com (serial driver under RTAI)
I'd go with that
the algorithm to do it isnt that extreme..
first.. a userspace program to connect to the PLC (using /dev/ttySx)
and some comm protocol (defined by you)
I'd define smthg like: #define set_output_1 0x01
#define unset_output_1 0x02
or write(set_output_1, value)
you don't have so many outputs/inputs
you could code them all up, (takes less time for comm)
if you wanna go for it... I'm ok to help
yeah ofcourse I want to, it's a easy way to get 24V ~2A out
and a keypad at the machine
I'd start with defining a .h file
with the communication protocol
and you can use that for including in your plc-software
and in the hal-component
I'll have a pretty nice protocol after today.. although it'll need some modification to suit being used like that
it usually gets modified a lot ;)
during testing ;)
writing stuff for running diagnostics and stuff for the machines we build..
the bandwidth usage of one of the servers are too high to allow my ssh connection
need to load the traffic shaper again..
what shaper do you use?
openbsd + altq
* alex_joni uses linux
no shaping yet (wasn't needed)
it's the server for the place where I usually to lan/slack at..
but I have some mrtg for info
[09:57:59] <alex_joni> http://188.8.131.52/mrtg/
[09:58:05] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/mrtg/184.108.40.206_rl1.html
heavy usage ;)
only mrtg? or rrdtools too?
just the netspeed's interesting :)
but mrtg is pretty limited
I plan (since last summer:) to change to rrdtools
still didn't take the time
I havent used that
* anonimasu yawns
I've been up for 15 minutes, and I've already placed and order for bolts and setscrews.
* anonimasu is messing with RTAI
* robin_sz passes anonimasu some rubber gloves
I get errors when I load the modules
* robin_sz shrugs
I suck dont I?
lots of unresolved symbols..
might be because my adeos if r16
I have no idea what others are running
I tend towards packages these days
or redhat kernel.rpms
cant be arsed with all that patching etc. especially as it seems to rarely work from one user to the next
* anonimasu knows
although it should work..
IMHO, thats one of the things holding EMC back,
if this breaks I am going to pry this shit into my kernel with force.
the older rtai refused to even boot :)
yeah deb's are easy..
I note there is an 'rtai' package for debian Sarge
I am downgrading from 2.6..
does it include a kernel?
to 2.4 to be able to compile emc2..
anonimasu: Got a 2.4 rtai kernel package
I think it'll work now
feel like sharing it?
this is strange.
how can I get unresolved symbols..
just checking to see if it is on the server
kernel-image-2.4.27-adeos is on the server...
[19:01:09] <paul_C> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bdi-emc/debian/
no rtai package though...
ah got that installed ;) I think
I am just going to try this a bit more..
I dont feel like failing
I should just have to patch my kernel with adeos.. and install rtai..
and it's supposed to work.. :)
I've gotten emc to compile..
but it's when loading the module when running it fails..
but I have a hint.. on what the error might be
I forgot to turn on Xenomai VM support.. or somthing :)
I'll just grab the image then..
I need to negotiate some space on a fast server...
The 55Megs on the homepage is not enough.
hey paul_C ;)
paul_C, may I suggest: www.textdrive.com I use them... and they have very good technical support.
an0n: are you around?
alex_joni: RTAI decided to be a pain.. so I am grabbing the image now..
paul_c: what's the name of that package?
anon: sorry to hear that ;)
it all should be a pleasant experience...
but mostly it's not
it's whining about unresolved symbols..
when loading rtai.o
all kinds of adeos stuff..
but my adeos might be too new
what version do you run?
I tried 3.1
3.1. should work fine
but I mean of adeos..
* alex_joni remembers compiling his rtai a few dozen times
is that too new?
should be ok
rtai compiled flawlessly
try to make tests
and test it out
maybe your booted kernel does not contain all symbols needed
hm, that might be the case..
I removed everything I wouldnt need ;)
what does "depmod -ae" show ?
that's ok once you have a working system ;)
lol, I dont need USB storage support :D
hold on need to reboot..
I make everything modules (what I don't need)
now lets see..
yeah. I am stupid :)
I'll be back in a bit..
going to go to the kiosk
while this compiles..
I think I forgot APIC support...
but somehow I feel like I enabled it earlier..
was the unresolved symbols at the top..
the other errors is because rtai wouldnt load
* alex_joni started looking at classicladder
Hey, in theory, it's possible to get there are multiple strings that can have the same MD5 hash right?
some very long strings
yeah... cool. I thought so... it's a HASH table only... :)
If I remember it correctly you might even get some multiple unix passwords which match
I thought linux used a salt system.
not md5 hashes.
most modern linux use a "md5-based algorithm"---I'm not sure of the details
see the "GNU extension" section of the crypt(3) manpage
[20:24:58] <jepler> http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix99/provos/provos_html/node10.html
is what depmod tells me..
yeah night alex
anything interesting going on today?
anonimasu : did you get things working?
I reorganzied my photos on my gallery. :)
but that was last night. but after you left. :)
showed a photo or two of my lathe.
[22:39:09] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.lloydleung.com/EMC
I should really rename EMC to Gallery
but oh well. :)
nice variac :)
super cool lathe
how man amp is she?
the tailstock isn't there... but it's on my chair at the time.
the rheostat... that I have no clue... the motor is an 1hp DC Servo.
those things are about 100 bucks, grat to have, I would like to have one some day
for a part of a nice test bench
gezr, the rheostat was originally on the lathe already... from someone else doing the convertion. I love it to control the speeds.
oh cool, I take it its got a fuse some where too right?
umm... I don't know. Hopefully somewhere. :) But I doubt it. The breaker box is in the next room.
gezr: it wouldnt work with adeos.. :/
gezr: it says that I am missing stuff..
anonimasu : I had to move some .o files to the lib/modules/blah directory
ah that might be the problem
anonimasu : I dont have that box booted, but I did have to manually install the modules
ok, it finds rtai.o atleast..
i kept getting all sorts of depmod errors and the likes
that's what I am getting
I'll boot the box and check..
anonimasu : okay, cool
A-L-P-H-A : put a fuse on it, try to match the rehostats rating, that way you save your rheostat
I'll take a look and see if there is a fuse.
A-L-P-H-A : I have a friend with a few of them and he insists on protecting his, he almos had a fit when we were using it to do some edm stuff once
the motor is 10 amps as well.
and your breaker is probably 20amp
so get you a 15amp or so fuse maybe even a 12, or a 10 and see what happens
blow the fuse, save the rheostat and the motor :)
just something to think about thats all
I'll go buy them tomorrow, and put it inline on the +lead right after the bridge rectifier.
after not wearing a watch for a few months, wearing a watch again feels weird.
hm, i broke the kernel the last reboot :)
A-L-P-H-A : I hope I didnt come across offensive about your stuff, I just had a strange feeling that it was unprotected
you probably didnt even think about it, I probably wouldnt have either till I let the smoke out, I have a way of stalling motors
I forgot ext3 support.
gezr, no I didn't take any offense. [was it offensive?]
I didn't even remotely think it was offensive. :)
gee.. somone should just kill me today
I've had a bad-code day today :)
A-L-P-H-A : no, its cool
anonimasu : just hack away at it
dinner time :)
ill be back in a bit
now lets see my error :)
adeos seems broken
should I have it as a module or static?
im not sure
this is weird..
wow... I think I should shrink some of my images... it's taking up 47 megs on the server. :)
maybe I'll try with a newer kernel.
The new Kilauea (and presumably the just released 3.0r3) hal12 patches
only export the "adeos_virtualize_irq_from" symbol, while the RTAI
schedulers still use adeos_virtualize_irq.
well.. how nice!.
* anonimasu sighs
I hate when developers break deps..
or changes specs..
I'll compile 3.0 then