that took 40 minutes... though I did wash the parts too.
* alex_joni is slowly getting tired
alex_joni, what timezone?
fun... so it's like 0218h for you. :)
I'm beginning to realize that overclocking my AMD athalon CPU has some strange consequences... the system time is always drifting faster.
like every two days it's off by 30 seconds.
strange... it shouldn't do that
seems like it. My laptop, [not overclocked, intel] holds it time very well.
the clock is on an RTC
well... it does... and I don't know why.
that works even when powered down
My system doesn't shut down.
Time: 19:21:20 -0500 GMT, Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), AMD XP 2800+ running at (1-AMD , 2123MHz, 512KB (12% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 612/1024MB (59.77%), C: 59.84gb of 75.42gb free, D: 21.9gb of 39.05gb free, E: 142.68gb of 372.62gb free, Current Uptime: 1wk 7hrs 47mins 27secs, Record Uptime: 3wks 6hrs 56mins 16secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
where did you take this from?
I mean what program/command?
take which? that's moo.dll for mirc. with my own script.
some of it is hardcoded. :)
like the monitor description. :)
If you want it, just ask.
think it would be usefull :D
* robin_sz searches boxen for decent uptimes
my best was around 280 days
hmmm, nothing over a year at the moment
[robin@quacky robin]$ uptime
12:26am up 311 days, 8:10, 1 user, load average: 1.49, 2.00, 1.92
me neither ;)
best I can do right now
had some power outages lately (some long ones)
UPS is good for me... I had lots of little brownouts... now sure if they would have shut my computer down or not... but they did stay up.
yeah we luurrrrvv ups
there were one or two blackouts... but my ups saved me.
me loves ups too
don't seem to have a variables.txt
those are the within the menus when you hit alt-r.
see the aliases and varibles tabs?
the contents of those files go into those corresponding places. just cut and paste. :)
and the dll?
same folder as mirc.exe
then just F9 I guess
edit whatever variables/text you desire.
* Identifier locked in options dialog: $dll (line 28, aliases.ini)
did you put the %uptimerec in Variables?
hmm... strange. it's worked for everyone else I've given the script to.
what's on line28?
Record uptime: ....
comment out that line with a ; at the bginning of it... and see what happens.
are you sure you put the "$uptimerec 0" in Variables?
yeah. % sorry
I so used to php.
Time: 02:40:43 +0200 GMT, Current Uptime: 2days 17hrs 6mins 37secs, Record Uptime: 2days 17hrs 6mins 37secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
I did take out a few ;D
Oh... you're HDs. :) I forgot. heh.
not the HDs
what was wrong?
I think all the dll stuff
is not working
I had dll locked out
Time: 02:43:34 +0200 GMT, Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), AMD XP 2800+ running at (1-Intel , 599MHz, 0KB (0% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 246/503MB (48.91%), C: 8.42gb of 37.25gb free, Current Uptime: 2days 17hrs 10mins 29secs, Record Uptime: 2days 17hrs 9mins 29secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
* robin_sz points out that a trinitron *IS* a crt
not my setup
I have 1 TFT
on my laptop
and one giant 21'' ancient Trinitron
tft's nice for the eyes
you can't mistake it for beeing anything else than a CRT
@ 45 kg
crt's gleam like hell :/
I dislike the wires on trintron crts
the horizontal ones ..
you can barely see them on mine
* alex_joni knows the wires robin is talking about ;)
I always notice them for some reason
it's a 21'' placed about 3m from where I'm sitting
you know why they are there?
my vision is good, but not that good to see the wire
something about picture ...
normal TV mask is a sheet full of holes in a trangle pattern
trinitron is verticle slots
the wires are welded to all the slots, stops them waving about and distorting
I am lucky not to work as a welder wherever they make thoose.
don't think those are made manually
although... my company sold some spot welders for a resistors factory lately
yesterday was resistor ordering day again ..
another batch of 100,000 :)
how many pounds?
cost or weight?
oh, not many ... 5 maybe?
that's a lot :P
2 months worth
0.0014 pence each I think :)
0.14 pence each
I am *so* glad its not me that has to assemble the damn things ...
id go mad after 100, never mind 100K
* alex_joni goes to bed...
see you guys later today ;)
I'll wait for some downloads to finish
robin: how's the plasma-table selling?
ouch... cut myself on my part... I needed to break apart a cut I had... and it broke, but also cut me. Stupid part.
it's like a paper cut that won't stop bleeding... it's just right between the last knuckle, and the fingernail... where just a mm or two below the cuticle.
bandage seem to do the trick.
horray for sports tape. :)
well... the bracket is almost done as well. :) hehehe.
I really must put a Post-it-note here on the screen with the "hours" I expect people to be here
Sometimes it's hard being a midnight freak
im sorta around
working on the bike parts, I just found out i have a very serious issue with my water/oil pump
I think this is going to be interesting... as I don't know exactly where to drill yet.
gezr: Well, I don't know if you'd be able to answer my question
I'm using the new emc stuff paul's been compiling
if you asked your question... we might be able to better know. :)
and this means that I'm finally going to have to add home/limit switches
ask by all means
ohoh! What do you people use for repeatable home switches?
servos with encoders with an index pulse
I dont know much about all that
To simplify things, I was going to make either the +/- limits do double duty as home
asdfqwega, lots of people do.
I dont know how they do it
I was curious as to the current logic used in the homing
I dont know
if home then homed? :) hehehehehe
sorry, I thought it was halarious... maybe cause I'm just an idiot.
it faries from situation to situation
If you could still trip the limits while homing - otherwise I'd have to make a manual switch to turn off the limits while homing
some people have a limit switch before, or after... and an optical limit switch for home.
limit ----------- limit ---- home or limit ------- home ------- limit
where's the other limit? :)
should have two...
It fell off?
eot end of travel
man... I'm dreading drilling the set screw holes in the stainless steel coupling I made.
some people have it like this...
eot --- limit ------- home --- ZERO point --- home ------- limit --- eot
where it's a measured and thus known distance between the two home switches.
so they use that are teh Zero point.
I dont like that at all
Well, that'd be nice, Alpha, but that kinda in the opposite direction I'm aiming
I currently don't even have switches...
asdfqwega : here is the catcher, unless you have a i/o card you cant really have that many inputs
I have a hardstop on my ways on my lathe... so they won't hit the chuck.
[which I've done before] [magic sparks everywhere]
gezr: I know how EMC works - common mode switches, and home one axis at a time
I dont know how its able to be done
there is only one way to keep it always the same at power on , and thats with an encoder with an index pulse
Hm...I'm going to have to use microswitches for the limits, and rig up something else for optical home
I'm using steppers, so no index pulse :P
thats probably just as accurate
you know, I just dont know how its done, you can try different combos
attempting to drill stainless steel now... 1.) centre drill. 2.) drill to size. 3.) tap.
I've got the optical sensors - just needs to make up the circuits for power, etc
And that's the bit of work I wanted to avoid - I'm out of proto-PCB stuff, and I don't want to wait for stores opening or shipping for parts
Alpha: Perpendicular into a round?
Or somewhat tangential?
I hate trying to drill small holes off-center on a round for clamp/couplings...
good night you guys
off-center you spot first with an endmill :)
one thats centercutting of course
I got to sleep now
asdfqwega, I got it.
Except the set screws someone gave me, said they were 6-32. They were mistaken. They're like 10-24, or something silly. So now I gotta order TWO 6/32 setscrews hehe. GREAT! That'll have to wait till month.
Yes I could drill and tap them again, but I'm not going to. If I do, I run the risk of breaking a tap in the part, or a drill or whatever.
And I got good at sharpening drills. :) What you learn when you're forced to.
I just grabbed a new version of emc off cvs..
I havent had a change to try it out yet
but I changed the computer and the bug's still there
do you know if the bug was with the kernel paralell port drive?
driver or within emc?
afaik freqmod doesn't use a driver to output to parport
it does that directly
nah .. that's bull ;)
it does output to a parport "driver"
I wanted to know since I am going to burn the cvs to a cd..
but the driver only does some outb's
for moving it out
I suggest you compile on a fast machine ;)
if you have the same kernel/stuff installed
I have a 500 out in the shop..
should do the trick
but it'll take you a while
hm, so I just need to grab emc + rcslib
*grabbes rcslib off the cvs too*
I hope this fixes it..
I want to mill stuff :/
what linux/rtai do you have installed?
the stuff off the BDI4.x cd
you need to install devel stuff
yeah but that's on the cd isnt it?
that's not on the BDI4.0x yet
* anonimasu sighs
you need to network the machine you plan to build emc/rcslib
to get gcc & such
the problem is that I have no network cards and no cabling out to the shop
that's why I'd suggest building on naother machine
hm, I have a machine I could build it on but it's slackware so it'd be alot of more work..
I think I'll grab the debian isos and burn em to a dvd and loopmount em..
* alex_joni is afraid he can't help on deb stuff
or I might go off to work and get a network card..
and some cable
or.. some wifi cable
which reminds me...
there was a dude selling 150m of wifi cable on ebay :D
got cable like that..
but it's the inside of the shop that's harder :)
well... depends on power
I'll move the box inside..
damn this stuff better work when I've recompiled it..
messing is nice to a point.. but this is going too far..
I'll be back later
going to go to work and grab a network card..
I'll be here in a bit just need to boot the computer
how's the homing working?
still not using segmentqueue...I have so much production that I cannot test it now
homing works in the old version
that's ... good :)
sure would like a break
running the machine a lot and making money is good but
yeah... a break is nice once in a while
I would like some time off
I know the feeling
A business owner rarely gets to take time off
depends on the size of the business
one day it'll grow out of your hands :D
and you'll have managers & such employed
then you can take a break ;)
Yup...exponential growth right now
gotta be carefull with that
It is just like the division I worked at in Chicago
you don't wanna grow too rapidly
So I have been through it
yeah...not too fast
if it's too fast... it gets out of control
and can crash
At Chicago we did our first mirror heater run cutting them out with scissors!
20,000 of them!!!
Finally got the dies tooled though
Steel rule dies for kiss cutting the sheet plastic
does not cut through the backing in one spot
to make a peel away tab
it's sticky backed on one side
oh.. I see
just peel off the backing and press on the back of the glass mirror
(also gives anti-shatter feature)
anyway...must go to the bank
bank is good
alex_joni: hm, so I grab emc.. and rcslib..
and the stuff it depends on..
and it should work
an0n: in hteory .. yes
hope you'll not get into trouble compiling
hang on a moment
I just remembered
emc&rcslib won't compile on BDI-4.0x
because of the 2.6 kernel
isnt that emc2?
but in order to compile emc1, paul_c did a _lot_ of changes
one of them .. scrapping rcslib
and replacing it with libnml (a clean-and-mean implementation of rcslib)
the best thing to do... get a BDI-Live and try that one
if you go with the latest ;)
oh, I thought the stuff that was on the isos were meant to work..
you could go ahead and try it.. but I think it would be a waste of time
well, I dont care anymore I just want my mill to work ok..
it's the latest iso, and it's not fully done yet
but I am not installing bdi-live..
paul is still working on it
err running it..
you can even install it...
Ill downgrade this kernel instead..
you really think you wanna go there?
or you can do an apt-get ...
you need kernel, rtai
I said I don't know abou tdeb...
I said I don't know about deb...
but the proper way to do it is to dl a kernel source
well, I didnt ask on how to do it.. :)
then patch it with rtai
compile kernel, compile rtai
install kernel, install modules
then go over to compiling rcslib
after thet emc1
what my emc compile failed at last time was that I didnt have the proper X libraries for installing tk
and no connection..
I was thinking of installing BDI-4.08
but I think I'll skip that
I have a SuSE 8.2 right now
179 upgraded, 18 newly installed, 8 to remove and 53 not upgraded.
packages for installing tcl/tk
upgrades for everything
is tehre a rtai-patched 2.4 kernel for deb?
I dont know.. I'll grab the source and patch it manually...
if you grab the same one I have, I can send you binaries
I just need to upgrade all this stuff first
5 minutes getting synergy..
and maybe 5 getting the other packages..
[15:41:29] <jepler> http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/apr98/breadbrd.html
jepler: this is nuts...
* alex_joni is laughing his ass off
I thought it was pretty funny
but I'll keep it in mind
" and smells very tasty as you solder."
* jepler wanders away
I got 57 of thoose packages now
and the kernel and patch..
nice connection ;)
but i's slow as hell atm..
or well it was the network card of the emc box..
it's a old isa card..
it dosent like high speeds..
downloading it at the server I have instead..
it's going in 560kb/s
I can only dream of such downloads at home ;)
soon I'll have this working
I cant wait until my isp starts providing higher speeds..
I think I'll leave for a while...
I'll be back later
I'll be busy messing around with this for a while
good luck :)
I'll need it
adeos patched flawlessly
compiling it now
hopefully emc will compile at this box..
anonimasu : what rtai are you gonna be using?
I have no idea yet
whatever emc requires..
let me know if you visit and its working okay, things seem okay locally, I cant tell remotely
gezr: checked it out. it works. cool shaper!
I did mention it was ugly :)
bike first then machines
or who knows, pait is cheap compared to other things right now it would seem
why worry about paint? just use the hell out of it.
I dont know
* robin_sz visits
hmmm ... shaper and a horizontal mill ...
im probably gonna blast the parts I have masked off, that green tape is insane sticky stuff, some new high bond m3 stuff
you gonna blast the injectors?
* robin_sz crosses himself
they are either working or not, so I dont care if I run them, It may not be my fault
robin_sz : hey, hmm, my waterpump is in bad shape
the shaft that drives it, well its shot, and the seals one of them cant be purchased, and well, do you think a new shaft made of 4140 would do the trick?
what about the new seal?
I think I can get the seal that bmw doesnt offer anymore, it may be a common item, its a 12x25x5 seal
the shaft cant just be skimmed?
heavy rust destruction
id go to the breakers
2nd hand parts company
yeah, that would be something to do, its a very simple shaft
whatever they call it out there in the USA
you think making one wouldnt be the way to go hu?
dunno ... guess it was made once
a new one is 123
and you have th tools
yeah, and stock
if I was going to balst that engine and covers ...
i just dont know
I'd do it as a 'lump' .. all bolted up
If I could I would do it all while it was together :)
and you cant?
not at this phase, Ill have my work cut out for me with cleaning
robin_sz : its 20 years old, I just hope I get it all right
the head so far is fantastic :)
Ill have the block done by someone when its all together, its too large for my set up here
I just remrmebr spending ages cleaning glass bead out of bolt holes .. for me, blasting it apart was a big mistake
robin_sz : I know, bolt holes were tapped off :)
so where mine
SteveStallings: how was cabin fever?
* robin_sz goes back to beating Debian
pretty good, attendance similar to earlier shows, questions from visitors about CNC indicate that people are getting more interested and more informed
did you have a stack of Live! cds to give out?
thalx was there running a Sherline that I provided with RC46. I think he gave out a few CD's and answered lots of questions.
* robin_sz nods
gezr: you know debian, to install a .deb I have .. its just dpkg -i <file> right?
info is -I
apt-get install <file> too?
<file> -> <package name>
these are local files
local files for local people
* robin_sz waits for the box to come back up again
do you guys think 15 dollars more a month to get 8 high definition stations is worth it?
Ihave a hd tv
I have no TV, so Id say "no"
i dont like to go to the movies
something about being with other folks these days bothers me
ill go see starwars III though
most of those folks I can relate to
so .. to see where the hell all the files in a .deb will go?
I played star wars galaxies online for the past year
* robin_sz installed foo-source and cant see it
thats where it *should* go
is there some way to view the .deb contennts?
try /usr/local and then /usr/share or run a dpkg -I <file\>
yeah big eye
-I gives just a little bit of decsriptive info
is there someting equiv to tar -tvf ?
-c is contentws
i hope that helped some
robin_sz : oh, bmw doesnt offer the o-ring seals for the injectors anymore,
yeah, got a dealer with fiche online
dpkg -c dile.deb
no replacement at all?
ill have to find substitutes
yeah im sure something exists
the dealer im working with is top knotch
* robin_sz finds them in /usr/src/modules/foo
not much with me. been using sagcad a bit
hard to deal with, but open source and it does some cam output...
I've been using ace for cam output
so what's the latest with emc?
is paul away this week?
I plan on doing some work on emc2 (IO-controller)
paul is away
one of the reasons not much right now on emc ;)
jmk & zwisk are working on a hal-refactor
got it going?
I got the kernel installed but I forgot to add HID support...
so I need to recompile it tomorrow..
but it's running with adeos :)
got rtai working?
I quit for today..
btw.. what rtai did you install?
apt get install rtai
I was lazy.
but does it dl the source too?
to patch the kernel for example
err apt get install rtai-dev
ah, no :) but that gives you the headers and stuff..
?ME starts to think this debian is smthg
* alex_joni starts to think this debian is smthg
debian is great.. :)
I didnt install rtai.. damn
not the kernel patch..
let me check if I can access the box..
well.. then you got a nice kernel
unfortunately with no RT support ;)
I'll sove that later :)
I didnt check I thought that was included with adeos..
there is a debian package, name is kernel-patch-adeos
I downloaded the source and patched manually :)
that's as easy :)
but i think that you don't need adeos, if you donwload rtai
what version did you download?
well that's the kernel AFAIK
I know, It was .16 of adeos.. I think..
cant remember and I forgot to edit the startup to use the isa network card so I cant check..
yeah.. that happens
I'll be gone for a bit
going to slack a little then go and insert the drivers :) on the box..
so I can work with it from here..
I am at a lan party right now
hehe .. I managed to get debian to net install ...
the netinst claimed the bios was broken/old ... then I noticed, if I left the CD in and rebooted ... it saw the CD ok ... but if I put the fresh hard drive in and powered up it didnt .. so I hot-swapped the IDE drives ;)
I figure the cd mount process must have flipped a bit in the cdrom or somethng
I know I dont spend enough time in the lab when i come back home and the cup of tea is still warm....
* robin_sz is playing with VOIP fun still
i have skype on my pda & use it over wifi when traveling etc.
skype is an interesting protocol
* robin_sz saw a disection of it the other day
slashdot had a pdf of it or somewhere.
pushing the traffic peer-to-peer is smart move
yet they keep control
you can see whre that is headed!
odd i just tried to turn on the pda and its battery was dead.. bizzare.
get a few million on skype .. wait for it to become the defacto network
then charge them 1c a minute for using their own bandwidth
might not happen, voip -> pstn is where they make money.
* robin_sz predicts a pstn->voip migration in the next 5 years
* alex_joni is back
robin: how is voip? I mean how does it work for you.. are you happy?
how's the gaming?
I am not gaming :)
yeah maybe in a bit
unreal tournament 2004
* alex_joni quit gaming a while ago...
I did too actually
but when togther with some friends it's pretty fun :)
my last game was half-life
cant write code 10/7
and I did a lot of Delta Force
make that 24/7 ;)
yeah that's more like it..
everquest II is okay
if you feel the need to dedicate a life to it
* alex_joni has dedicated enough lives already
* alex_joni watches a movie.. later
how's the refactor going?
not much... to many things to do, not enough time
yeah.. I know
I kinda get that every once in a while...
* picnet knows that feeling.
I really need to clean my basement out
and then I do .. nothing ;)
can't turn around without tripping over stuff
that's what I've been doing
same here, so much crap on the floor / benches etc. I need to put tools away :)
part of my problem is that I'm addicted to dumpster diving
I haven't stored away the last batch I brought home, and there's another pile under a lab bench at work that's waiting to come home!
I don't think I'll be able to run linux on my PDA
Casio Cassiopeia E-125
any of you have access to the books to a hp170a scope?
how old is it?
or would I be better off on ebaying a new scope?
it somewhat works
one of the traces wont display, its a dual trace 100mhz unit
[22:19:49] <jmkasunich> http://bama.sbc.edu/hp.htm
guy there seems to have a cal/service manual, but you have to contact him to get it
yeah, thank you, its a 1740a I dont know what i was thinking
I wonder if the "17401_cal.pdf" at that site matches the scope?
it may be what I need, ill have to email the guy
it would be nice to get a service manual :)
I've been doing the manual search thing lately...
acquired some surplus test instruments from work
(we had an auction of unused and/or busted stuff)
I paid $200 for a Tek 2440 DSO
[22:26:20] <gezr> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=58280&item=3868200337&rd=1
got a possibly busted, possibly just out of cal AM503A current probe amp with two probes for $2
I may just buy a new one to me
the experience of fixing would be cool, but could also teach me some bad things
I dunno about that ebay one...
thats mine for the most part
If I was selling a scope, I'd at least power it up and see if it gets a trace, then show a pic with the trace
just showing it to show what ive got
if you decide to get one from ebay, I'd recommend a tektronic
I have a 4 chan / 100mhz dso , hp54510 but I doubt its similar.
there are a _lot_ of tek scopes out there, lots of folks sell manuals (scans and originals)
I have an old military service 10mhz scope thats just great :)
there is a very active yahoo group for tekscopes, very helpfull folks
I like the tek stuff
[22:35:16] <picnet> http://www.cn17.com/uploadimg/20040815110713_HP54501A.jpg
quite terrible to use, early scope ment mainly to be driven over HPIB/GPIB not via the front pannel.
thats a nice one
eeewwwwww, no knobs
its a buton pressers fantasy
i checked the calibration against my fluke meter (which is calibrated) - everything was in spec which was nice.
ill be back in a while guys
[22:39:25] <jmkasunich> http://store1.yimg.com/I/rdstuff_1816_1955092
buttons and knobs ;-)
yep, i used an old hameg digital scope ages ago, kind miss the button fiddling with the hp.
im still after a hbip card for it.
we have some of the fancy new Tek DSOs at work, like TDS740
computers in disguse as a scope.
they're a pain to use - must be running winbloze, cause it takes forever to respond to a knob or button
turn the gain knob six clicks, and the scope takes 10 seconds to respond (at least it seems that long)
any hidden demo modes in it?
I'm getting cross eyed from programming. :(
what are you programming?
time to take a break
Making dynamic forms in php... so I give it a list a Table, Foreign keys, exclusion list. And it'll generate a complete form [update/delete/insert] based on those criterias.
jmk: did you think about IO stuff for emc2?
not how to program
sounds like fun (not)
I got your mail (thank you btw)
I've got the insert and delete... but update is is the same logic... just that I'm trying to follow my old code... and I just need a breat.
alpha: if you like php...
(talking about the php stuff)
do you have some ideas about what I should do for IO?
I like php. I'm already using a pear... which I'm not extending.
I plan (at the moment) to go ahead and code up some other hal-pins
I really don't know alex
for lube, coolant, etc
I'm up to my elbows in other stuff
ok.. thought you might have more clues than me ;)
I'd lend a hand...
but it's too far away ;)
right now I'm trying to repair a Tektronic TCV501
TVC501 I mean
symptoms - dead, found blown fuse in power supply circuit, everything ohms out OK, just soldering in a new fuse now
the original fuse was one of those "pico fuses", like a 1/4 watt resistor
don't have one of those here
put a fuse-holder
I have some PCB mount fuse clips, soldered wire to them and soldered them to the original fuse location
(for testing only - then I'll get a proper fuse)
for testing you might get to change it a few times...
if anything else is broken
I think I'm going to bed...
talk to you tomorrow
I hope I'll be more up to programming tomorrow
awesome - it works!
I didn't see any netsplit