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[00:00:51] <Shintai> sounds fun
[00:17:13] <paul_c> Another little "feature" nailed down.
[00:23:33] <paul_c> * paul_c prods rayh
[00:55:45] <rayh> Hi Paul. Was away but forgot to say so.
[01:00:28] <paul_c> Just posted bdi-4.04
[01:00:51] <rayh> What you got in this one?
[01:01:31] <paul_c> Fixes for the Media icons
[01:01:57] <rayh> Okay. You set it up with supermount?
[01:02:42] <paul_c> I haven't
[01:03:54] <rayh> Other than the prob with the first install and not being able to find the CDROM
[01:04:14] <paul_c> fixed.
[01:04:16] <rayh> and the inability to write in /home/ray this release looks real good to me.
[01:04:28] <paul_c> also fixed
[01:05:27] <paul_c> Also fixed a bug in Tickle GUIs
[01:06:00] <paul_c> Attempting to jog X & Y at the same time used to cause problems.
[01:06:17] <rayh> Right.
[01:06:24] <paul_c> Not any more
[01:07:06] <rayh> How does one get a listing of the pci bus devices under 2.6
[01:07:20] <paul_c> lspci
[01:09:25] <rayh> tnx. Looks like it is not recognizing a USR modem.
[01:09:36] <robin_sz> eveny
[01:09:38] <paul_c> Internal ?
[01:09:43] <rayh> Is this version able to compile.
[01:09:52] <rayh> Yes it's a pci card.
[01:10:55] <paul_c> probably find it responds to ttys3
[01:12:30] <paul_c> kppp also runs by lusr without any additional hacks.
[01:13:47] <paul_c> Compiling with a 2.6 kernel is not as straight forward as it was with earlier kernels
[01:14:20] <rayh> No response on any of the ttys
[01:14:39] <paul_c> try /dev/ttyS3
[01:16:15] <rayh> Nope
[01:16:50] <paul_c> How many serial ports does /proc/ioports show ?
[01:21:13] <rayh> * rayh is on the phone
[01:21:36] <robin_sz> * robin_sz bounces
[01:22:22] <paul_c> * paul_c nails robin_sz' spring to the floor
[01:23:40] <paul_c> You have new toys to play with ?
[01:33:19] <paul_c> * paul_c needs to go to bed.
[01:53:28] <robin_sz> wibble
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[12:57:42] <alex_joni> hello everybody
[13:15:44] <paul_c> Afternoon alex_joni
[13:15:56] <alex_joni> what's up?
[13:16:02] <alex_joni> pretty quiet today...
[13:17:00] <paul_c> * paul_c is in'n'out doing "stuff"
[13:17:26] <alex_joni> nice
[13:17:36] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is in the mood of doing nothing
[13:53:14] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is going home
[13:53:19] <alex_joni> catch you later
[13:53:19] <alex_joni> bye
[14:43:38] <paul_c> Hi Shintai
[14:44:03] <Shintai> hey paul
[14:44:08] <Shintai> hows it going today?
[14:46:07] <paul_c> looking for bugs to nail.
[14:46:17] <Shintai> sounds fun
[14:46:30] <Shintai> eventually i'll get to the software part of my project...
[14:47:08] <Shintai> still trying to learn how to build a driver
[14:47:28] <Shintai> correction a chopper driver...
[14:47:49] <Shintai> i can build simple stepper drivers.. but the chopper circuit is hard to find info on
[14:47:58] <paul_c> Stepper or servo ?
[14:48:28] <Shintai> steppers
[14:48:49] <Shintai> i used to fix copiers... so i have access to steppers for little or no cost
[14:48:56] <Shintai> figured they'd be wiser to use
[14:49:20] <paul_c> http://www.hans-w.com/cnc.htm
[14:49:36] <paul_c> Also look for SGS-Thompson
[14:49:57] <paul_c> They have several application notes on chopper drives
[14:52:14] <Shintai> cool thanks
[14:52:52] <Shintai> at what point does the chopper make a difference?
[14:54:38] <paul_c> In terms of efficiency & performance, at just about every stage.
[14:54:56] <paul_c> The only downside is a slightly higher cost.
[15:48:10] <paul_c> Yo Dan ?
[15:48:44] <danfalck> Hi Paul
[15:49:30] <danfalck> What's happening today?
[15:49:59] <paul_c> Oh just testing the latest BDI build
[15:54:30] <danfalck> I'm going to step away for a bit to build a fire in the fireplace....
[16:19:02] <paul_c> Afternoon Dave
[16:19:12] <dave-e> morning Paul
[16:19:51] <dave-e> can't stay long....another birthday 300 km away
[16:19:56] <paul_c> Added sommat to the latest BDI build that you might like...
[16:20:02] <dave-e> like?
[16:20:24] <paul_c> cat /proc/emc/status
[16:20:43] <dave-e> ok....status of what?
[16:20:44] <paul_c> you get to see the raw output from the encoders there
[16:20:51] <dave-e> ah...nice
[16:20:57] <paul_c> (amongst other things)
[16:21:26] <dave-e> I've tried to use vsitest while emc was running and it does not see the movement either
[16:21:54] <dave-e> whole turn of the encoder and it missed it.
[16:22:12] <paul_c> I think someone had suggested that it was EMI on the encoder inputs...
[16:22:37] <dave-e> I don't think so....but emc on the amp input may be the problem.
[16:22:51] <dave-e> am working on some fancier grounding
[16:23:11] <dave-e> I've never been able to prove emi on the encoder lines.
[16:23:36] <dave-e> the encoders can sit for 24 hours and not get a count
[16:24:06] <dave-e> whereas I can see short bursts of voltage shift on the amp input
[16:24:46] <dave-e> opps....go to go shower....will check in a little later the bail for the day
[16:25:07] <paul_c> Sounds almost as if some internal registers are being corrupted..
[16:25:32] <paul_c> Run memcheck86 when you get some spare time.
[16:25:44] <paul_c> (or is it memtest86)
[16:31:35] <Shintai> hey paul.. you ever spend much time at CNCzone?
[16:32:18] <paul_c> nope.
[16:32:37] <Shintai> lots pretty good info thier
[16:32:53] <Shintai> there
[16:33:17] <Shintai> if ya ever have some spare time... check out this site
[16:33:18] <Shintai> http://webpages.charter.net/pminmo/cncelectronics.htm
[16:33:55] <Shintai> havn't compared thier parport pins with EMC yet.. but that should be easy enough to fix
[16:34:33] <Shintai> and pminmo is pretty willing to help with problems on the forums at cnczone
[16:39:57] <danfalck> I've been to CNCzone
[16:40:25] <danfalck> the webmaster started an EMC forum there
[16:40:45] <danfalck> but, I just don't go to it much because we have a mailing list already
[16:41:00] <danfalck> so, I don't see the point in diluting things
[16:43:06] <paul_c> * paul_c is looking over the EMC forum right now...
[16:46:52] <paul_c> Most EMC questions seem to get a "use mach2" answer...
[16:50:01] <danfalck> or TurboCNC....
[16:51:36] <paul_c> Although some of the replies are correct - If you want propper help & answers, use the emc mailing list.
[16:54:05] <paul_c> As for asking BDI related questions on cnczone... nuff said.
[17:02:35] <Shintai> heh
[17:03:04] <Shintai> i'm just looking at thier driver boards and BoBs
[17:03:29] <Shintai> most people don't know how to use a PC let alone linux..
[17:04:05] <Shintai> so if i want a linux or linux based app related answer... better to go to a linux related site
[17:04:58] <paul_c> Would you go to a Ford dealer for a G.M. part ?
[17:05:06] <Shintai> besides you guys are friendly and more than helpful
[17:06:17] <danfalck> paul_c: I just posted the links to the mailing list on CNCzone
[17:06:38] <danfalck> we'll see how long the post is left up
[17:06:38] <paul_c> and IRC ?
[17:06:53] <danfalck> Ok.
[17:11:49] <danfalck> posted...
[17:12:26] <paul_c> Do many topics/postings get pulled ?
[17:12:59] <danfalck> I'm not sure. But, if we end up draining traffic, I'm sure it won't make the admin happy.
[17:13:16] <danfalck> They want their advertising dollars.
[17:14:04] <Shintai> heh
[17:15:37] <paul_c> If there is cencorship, then perhaps it is as well to avoid the site.
[17:18:41] <danfalck> I don't know if there is. We'll find out.
[17:19:24] <danfalck> I know that the mailing list and this channel are the best source of info.
[17:19:42] <danfalck> All the activity of late is pretty exciting.
[17:20:17] <danfalck> I like seeing stuff like the discussion of G-code conversion with GPL tools
[17:20:23] <danfalck> probing with EMC
[17:20:30] <danfalck> emc2
[17:20:41] <danfalck> new Guis
[17:21:19] <danfalck> open source is so cool...
[17:22:08] <danfalck> I need to go. Time to saw up a bunch of wood. I'll be loggin.
[17:22:14] <danfalck> logging...
[17:22:21] <danfalck> * danfalck is away: going out to the shop...
[17:22:33] <Shintai> i get alot of info from here...
[17:22:34] <paul_c> There's a whole bunch of other stuff on the horizon with the next BDI version.
[17:23:15] <Shintai> but this is software and useing hardware more than hardware design
[17:24:08] <Shintai> i hate building things unless i understand how every part works..
[17:24:24] <Shintai> so i need lotsa resources on chopper drivers and such
[17:24:56] <paul_c> read the app notes from SGS & Allegro
[17:44:56] <Shintai> gotta go do christmas stuff
[17:44:58] <Shintai> later guys
[17:50:06] <dave-e> 'been reading the mail but it is time to go...have a good day
[18:23:52] <robin_sz> meep?
[19:09:10] <danfalck> * danfalck is back (gone 01:46:48)
[19:09:18] <danfalck> Hi Ray
[19:09:50] <danfalck> Hi Mike
[19:17:45] <rayh> Hi Dan.
[19:17:53] <rayh> HI Mike
[19:18:28] <rayh> You been back to Hal's, Dan
[19:19:01] <danfalck> Not lately.
[19:19:25] <danfalck> How's everything going?
[19:19:40] <rayh> I like the gear cutter image that Paul put on the new bdi installer.
[19:19:53] <rayh> Getting cold here. Near -10f
[19:20:45] <danfalck> Have you read the discussion about G-code conversion on the mailing list?
[19:21:00] <rayh> skimmed it.
[19:21:08] <rayh> Looks like some good stuff there.
[19:22:06] <danfalck> How's the Smithy stuff coming along?
[19:22:11] <robin_sz> whats -10F in real money?
[19:22:40] <danfalck> veeeery cold...
[19:23:40] <robin_sz> yeah .. about 450 degrees ..
[19:23:49] <rayh> forgot how to do those conversions with google.
[19:25:53] <rayh> Looks like -27 or so C
[19:26:18] <rayh> I think that -40 is the same in both.
[19:31:52] <rayh> danfalck: How's the family?
[19:33:59] <danfalck> rayh: good. We're getting ready for Grandpa and Grandma being here.
[19:34:17] <danfalck> rayh: can I give you a call today?
[19:34:20] <rayh> Fantastic. Ready for the holidays.
[19:34:36] <rayh> Certainly. Anytime. Home alone now if you wish.
[19:34:52] <rayh> Got a second line for www.
[19:35:00] <danfalck> rayh: sure I'll call you now
[19:48:35] <robin_sz> oopsi
[19:49:00] <robin_sz> there you are typing and your 2yr old pushes the 'reset' button on the gateway
[19:49:41] <robin_sz> so, rayh, you were saying it was about 450Rankine where you are?
[20:10:40] <alex_joni> evening
[20:11:01] <robin_sz> ello
[20:11:13] <babu> hi all
[20:11:46] <babu> i stripped down the emc.ini (removed all those params marked as FIXME in EMC2).
[20:12:01] <robin_sz> thats nice.
[20:12:07] <robin_sz> does it work?
[20:12:41] <babu> yes, there is only one problem: the axis speed is set to 60 instead of 1500 in tkemc
[20:13:38] <alex_joni> what's up robin?
[20:13:43] <alex_joni> hello babu
[20:13:57] <babu> hello alex!
[20:14:18] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders what babu does with his emc
[20:14:55] <alex_joni> robin: I think I read about some new machine of yours in the logs
[20:15:09] <robin_sz> alex_joni: yeah, wanna see?
[20:15:14] <alex_joni> and that you were going to do some fotos/docs over the weekend
[20:15:18] <alex_joni> any time
[20:15:55] <robin_sz> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/photos/machine2 .. thats just raw photos in my personal archive btw, not 'publicity shots'
[20:18:57] <alex_joni> pretty slow connection
[20:19:10] <alex_joni> I got the thumbnails, but the bigger pics won't load... :(
[20:19:14] <robin_sz> dang ...
[20:19:18] <robin_sz> uno momento
[20:19:37] <babu> alex_joni: you mean what i do wrong with it, or do you mean what kind of machine i do control
[20:20:05] <alex_joni> what you do right with it ;)
[20:20:09] <alex_joni> what machine you control
[20:20:19] <alex_joni> robin: it started to work
[20:20:23] <robin_sz> alex_joni: k
[20:20:38] <babu> alex_joni: a homebuilt 3D-Printer... working with ice
[20:20:48] <robin_sz> its on a 2mb line, im only seeing about 1mb outgoing at the moment, so it should be OK
[20:20:49] <alex_joni> robin: 1.5x2m ?
[20:20:55] <robin_sz> 2.5 x 1.25
[20:21:22] <robin_sz> so a 3.2 x 2m footprint, roughly
[20:21:28] <alex_joni> steppers?
[20:21:35] <babu> robin_sz: nice machine!
[20:21:39] <robin_sz> servos, on a Burny controller
[20:21:47] <robin_sz> babu: thanks. its all my own work :)
[20:22:01] <alex_joni> seen the Burny
[20:22:05] <babu> robin_sz: all? does look like a commercial one!!
[20:22:17] <babu> brushless servo?
[20:22:28] <robin_sz> well, it better do, im hoping to sell the machines :)
[20:23:09] <babu> robin_sz: ah ok! do you plan to sell it with emc(2) controlling it?
[20:24:05] <robin_sz> at this stage, no ... as a commercial product im going for the 'use something that has support available across the globe as standard' optionb
[20:24:20] <babu> my clean emc.ini:
http://www.pastebin.com/131056
[20:24:32] <alex_joni> and...ask burny if you have problems ;)
[20:25:17] <babu> can someone give me a short introduction to LIMIT and HOME Switches in EMC2/HAL?
[20:25:53] <babu> i have two mechanical normally open LIMIT_SWITCHES on Axis X and Y
[20:25:56] <alex_joni> babu: sure
[20:26:05] <alex_joni> not done yet ;)
[20:26:18] <babu> i connected a signal from parport.0.pin-12-in-not to debounce.0.0.in
[20:26:22] <alex_joni> was this short enough?
[20:26:58] <babu> alex_joni: hehe, yes! i know hal, so it shouldnt be a problem right?
[20:27:05] <alex_joni> right
[20:27:09] <alex_joni> but...
[20:27:21] <alex_joni> you need to take the signal from hal, and send it to emc
[20:27:30] <babu> after that i connected debounce.0.0.out to axis.0.home-sw-in
[20:27:39] <babu> after that i connected debounce.0.0.out to axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
[20:28:00] <babu> and to axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
[20:28:11] <babu> shouldn't that work?
[20:28:56] <alex_joni> well... what you have done so far is ok
[20:28:59] <alex_joni> problem is
[20:29:20] <alex_joni> from there (axis.0.home-sw-in) needs to be checked by emc code
[20:29:28] <alex_joni> don't know if that's done yet
[20:29:35] <alex_joni> give me a minute to check...
[20:29:45] <babu> ok
[20:30:59] <babu> control.c: if (*(axis_data->home_sw)) {
[20:30:59] <babu> ./control.c: int home_sw_new, home_sw_rise, home_sw_fall;
[20:30:59] <babu> ./control.c: home_sw_rise = 0;
[20:30:59] <babu> ./control.c: home_sw_fall = 0;
[20:33:20] <alex_joni> the code is there in emc
[20:33:23] <alex_joni> no doubt
[20:34:01] <babu> what's about neg-lim-sw-in
[20:34:37] <alex_joni> I think you need to talk this with jmkasunich
[20:37:09] <alex_joni> do you see something happening when pressing the limitswitch?
[20:37:26] <alex_joni> emc noticing hardware limit?
[20:38:46] <alex_joni> e.g. tkEmc-letters turning red?
[20:38:55] <paul_c> * paul_c returns
[20:40:32] <alex_joni> hello paul_c
[20:40:37] <babu> hi paul_c
[20:40:49] <paul_c> * paul_c goes in to hiding...
[20:40:54] <paul_c> ;}
[20:41:23] <alex_joni> :}
[20:42:07] <babu> alex_joni: thx for helping! first i connected parport directly to axis (without inverting) tkemc it was working, but the wrong way...
[20:47:17] <alex_joni> does it work now?
[20:48:04] <babu> commented out the debounce thing, have to test now
[20:57:28] <Imperator_> alex_joni: Hi ALex, haven't seen you the last week here
[20:57:53] <alex_joni> Imperator_: I've been...to germany ;)
[20:58:04] <Imperator_> ahh
[20:58:15] <Imperator_> pretty cold here now
[20:58:33] <Imperator_> but maybe in romenia it is now much colder
[20:59:08] <babu> alex_joni: it does work now (without debounce)! LIMIT and HOME are not handled seperately...
[20:59:35] <alex_joni> Imperator_: 3-4+ here (warmer than in germany)
[20:59:41] <alex_joni> babu: glad to hear that
[21:00:11] <Imperator_> where have you stayed here in germany ?
[21:01:00] <alex_joni> Eibach :--)
[21:01:21] <alex_joni> that's near Dillenburg
[21:02:17] <babu> alex_joni: found the mistake: forget to connect the debounce function to a running thread...
[21:02:48] <Imperator_> near Frankfurt
[21:03:43] <paul_c> Hello Adam
[21:03:46] <alex_joni> yup: near Siegen (A45)
[21:03:56] <ne1r> Hello
[21:04:19] <Imperator_> my friends have traveld arround this monday all over germany to pick up the rest of the items for our machine
[21:04:37] <Imperator_> and i have now 6x Precise 1kW spindels :-)
[21:04:47] <alex_joni> how are things progressing?
[21:05:12] <Imperator_> slowly
[21:05:38] <Imperator_> we hope to finish in may or so
[21:06:32] <alex_joni> nice
[21:06:34] <Imperator_> we missed a auction with two ball srews last week at ebay, that is the last thing we are missing
[21:07:07] <Imperator_> two 32mm spindels 2200mm long
[21:07:50] <Imperator_> they are gone fpr 70 EUR each, and we forgot to bid
[21:08:09] <alex_joni> 70 EURO
[21:08:11] <alex_joni> coo
[21:08:13] <Imperator_> jep
[21:08:22] <Imperator_> a peresent
[21:09:13] <Imperator_> but we don't have them
[21:09:26] <Imperator_> :-(
[21:10:50] <Imperator_> they would be perfect for our project, because we want to use them for our gantry axis, and this two spindels came out of such a gantry axis. they had both the same error in pich
[21:11:25] <Imperator_> a special couple
[21:13:07] <Imperator_> and now i have the special sand mixture for making polymere concrete
[21:14:16] <Imperator_> as soon as my hobby is heated up i will make some test parts
[21:14:32] <Imperator_> as soon as my hobby room is heated up i will make some test parts
[21:20:51] <alex_joni> * alex_joni leaves for a while...
[21:24:29] <robin_sz> * robin_sz despairs at the destruction in his house
[21:24:57] <robin_sz> one of my kids went to the loo ... and used the entire toilet-roll
[21:25:03] <robin_sz> it blocked
[21:25:07] <robin_sz> he flushed it.
[21:25:12] <robin_sz> twice. :(
[21:25:19] <robin_sz> * robin_sz paddles around
[21:28:39] <Imperator_> a lot of action
[21:28:44] <Imperator_> :-)
[21:29:12] <paul_c> robin_sz:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02/10/cyberloo_blast_rocks_stokeontrent/
[21:29:41] <robin_sz> at least all 3 of them have got into the shower now ...
[21:30:38] <robin_sz> 2 of them even got undressed first :(
[21:31:05] <robin_sz> * robin_sz wonders what really blew it up
[21:32:50] <robin_sz> tee hee : a team of highly skilled and certified MIG & TIG welders
[21:32:55] <robin_sz> http://www.metalline.co.uk/skill_welding.asp
[21:33:08] <robin_sz> that apreently are so highly skilled, they dont need gloves ...
[21:33:26] <robin_sz> * robin_sz hands out the suntan cream
[21:34:10] <paul_c> That's why they are certified.
[21:34:36] <Imperator_> the only way to get a nice skin colour in england :-)
[21:34:36] <robin_sz> sectioned more like
[21:35:08] <robin_sz> my sister was sectioned once ...
[21:35:11] <robin_sz> long time ago
[21:36:30] <babu> * babu has to go, cu l8er
[21:36:47] <robin_sz> hes gone away
[21:37:11] <paul_c> Ug.. I loath txt msging
[21:37:32] <robin_sz> u. dnt lke txt spk?
[21:37:49] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ is going to cast polymere concrete
[21:38:13] <paul_c> * paul_c hurls a Concise English Dictionary at robin_sz
[21:40:48] <robin_sz> * robin_sz ctchs it + rds it. vry gd
[21:41:27] <robin_sz> I'm still thinking about cncing a pressbrake
[21:41:57] <robin_sz> 2 axis will be fine to start with
[21:43:21] <robin_sz> the really kewl idea which I am having
[21:43:26] <robin_sz> is to put a webcam on it
[21:43:47] <robin_sz> so ... when programming it, you can snap a piccy of the part before each operation
[21:44:14] <robin_sz> slap em on the screen as an aide-memoir during the bending
[22:09:19] <alex_joni> hello
[22:10:20] <rayh> Hi alex.
[22:11:25] <alex_joni> hey ray
[22:11:29] <alex_joni> what's new?
[22:11:38] <robin_sz> nanotechnology
[22:12:02] <rayh> cold here today.
[22:12:11] <robin_sz> you said ... about 450R
[22:12:11] <alex_joni> robin: that's old
[22:12:25] <alex_joni> 200K
[22:12:53] <robin_sz> I suspect its more like 250K ...
[22:13:06] <robin_sz> 200K is -78C
[22:13:42] <alex_joni> it's 37F here right now ;)
[22:14:31] <rayh> Warmed up some during the day. About -5 C now.
[22:14:47] <robin_sz> ahh good, at last we standardise on C :)
[22:14:55] <alex_joni> C is nice ;)
[22:15:00] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[22:15:06] <alex_joni> it's human readable
[22:15:18] <robin_sz> Rankine and Reaumur are fun too
[22:15:22] <alex_joni> * alex_joni throws away his temperature calculator
[22:15:59] <rayh> * rayh must not be very human -- at least from that def;
[22:16:15] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks it's genetic
[22:16:33] <robin_sz> C is nice for talking baout things near freezing
[22:16:42] <alex_joni> but I didn't say F is not human readable
[22:17:02] <robin_sz> I sort of understand F for hot waether
[22:17:03] <alex_joni> were you guys here last sunday?
[22:17:09] <robin_sz> like 90 in the shade
[22:17:32] <robin_sz> but when people say 5F i have no clue how cold that is
[22:17:41] <rayh> I guess the temp scale is all in what you get used to.
[22:17:55] <robin_sz> well,we went mwtric years ago :)
[22:18:15] <alex_joni> you could do the same for measures too...
[22:18:27] <alex_joni> no more bodyparts for distances
[22:18:34] <rayh> I think there is a similar US law about that but nobody was listening.
[22:19:11] <rayh> Ah but the CH is such a good measure for small distances.
[22:19:24] <robin_sz> CH?
[22:19:48] <rayh> That's a hair that resides on a certain part of the female anatomy.
[22:19:56] <robin_sz> heh :)
[22:20:12] <robin_sz> sometimes resides ... ;)
[22:20:24] <alex_joni> * alex_joni prods paul_c
[22:20:40] <rayh> Oh. They have removal devices there as well?
[22:20:50] <robin_sz> oh yes.
[22:20:57] <robin_sz> we call them 'pliers'
[22:21:26] <rayh> Oh! That hurts to think about.
[22:21:44] <alex_joni> lol
[22:21:51] <robin_sz> I always laugh when they advertise these lady-hair-removal things on TV
[22:22:03] <robin_sz> like a electric razor, but with rotating wheels
[22:22:29] <robin_sz> always have shots of some woman doing her armpits and smiling
[22:22:43] <robin_sz> I mean .. It just rips it out by the roots, there aitn no smiling
[22:23:09] <rayh> Yep. Know that feeling.
[22:23:17] <robin_sz> in very small print "caution: this will hurt. a lot."
[22:23:36] <alex_joni> you could get used to it
[22:23:40] <rayh> rofl
[22:23:43] <robin_sz> oh dear. wife is retunring from choir.
[22:23:50] <robin_sz> now I have to ecplain the house.
[22:23:52] <alex_joni> humans are pretty adaptable ;)
[22:24:10] <rayh> You're right there.
[22:25:21] <alex_joni> well, guess I'll crash too
[22:25:46] <rayh> Good talking with you both.
[22:26:24] <alex_joni> was there anything interesting last sunday?
[22:26:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders if he should put the logs on the site
[22:26:45] <rayh> I was away. Have to be tomorrow also.
[22:27:22] <alex_joni> oh.. ok ;)
[22:27:28] <alex_joni> I'll ask paul tomorrow
[22:28:04] <robin_sz> sundays have been very quite recently
[22:28:17] <robin_sz> ive called in a few times and only seen tumbleweed
[22:28:19] <alex_joni> I agree
[22:28:30] <rayh> Yep.
[22:29:15] <alex_joni> well.. on the other hand it's almost christmas
[22:29:26] <alex_joni> so... a lot start their vacations
[22:30:13] <robin_sz> vacations?
[22:30:23] <robin_sz> what are they? ... I just have more work :(
[22:30:52] <rayh> No paid vacations here. Self employed so no paid work days either.
[22:31:02] <robin_sz> that one I know
[22:31:26] <robin_sz> I'm waiting now for orders for my new machine.
[22:31:35] <alex_joni> * alex_joni can't wait to go out of town after christmas
[22:32:02] <robin_sz> and the money will come in very handy I can tell you ...
[22:32:09] <robin_sz> * robin_sz rattles the piggy-bank
[23:28:12] <paul_c> * paul_c prods rayh
[23:28:33] <rayh> Hi Paul.
[23:30:05] <paul_c> Looking for suggestions for small tweaks for the next EMC release
[23:30:23] <rayh> Small tweaks?
[23:31:04] <paul_c> Well.. Fixed the multiple axis jog problem
[23:31:17] <rayh> Yes. That's a great improvement.
[23:31:20] <paul_c> and it is now safe to shut down X with EMC running
[23:31:42] <rayh> I've got code here to fix some of the incremental jog stuff for inch/mm
[23:32:11] <rayh> I see that the sherline.ini in 4 is an older one.
[23:32:43] <paul_c> Quite possible - I'm not sure where they came from now..
[23:32:44] <rayh> We should get that or have them overwrite before they test.
[23:32:58] <rayh> I'll get the latest to you tomorrow.
[23:33:20] <paul_c> Send me the most recent ones, and I'll add them to the pot
[23:33:34] <rayh> Is there a way I can fix 4.2 for the cdrom problem or should I just get the new?
[23:33:50] <paul_c> No need for PLAT=nonrealtime/realtime any more
[23:34:14] <rayh> Okay.
[23:35:01] <paul_c> and SHMEM_ADDRESS has gone too - Hasn't been needed since 09J days
[23:35:22] <rayh> We should include cp1 -- i got several calls regarding using it this last month or so.
[23:36:52] <paul_c> heck - Can't remember where the sources are for that...
[23:37:20] <rayh> We talked a while back about making a memory matrix for the interp that would allow instant restart
[23:37:25] <rayh> and subroutines.
[23:37:57] <rayh> That's not s "small tweak" but how much effort would it be.
[23:38:20] <paul_c> subroutines and jumps would require a fair chunk of work
[23:39:02] <rayh> It would also allow for a listing of current active codes rather than the looked ahead version.
[23:39:20] <paul_c> I'd like to see this BDI released before starting any serious work on the interp.
[23:39:54] <rayh> Yes. Joe needs it right away. Down to a couple of old versions.
[23:40:16] <rayh> Let me send you the cp1 stuff.
[23:40:52] <rayh> and my junk on incremental jog.
[23:41:14] <rayh> and the current mill stuff from sherline.
[23:41:30] <paul_c> Do you still want a ~/gcode directory ?
[23:42:02] <rayh> A sf module?
[23:42:38] <rayh> I've been thinking a bit about the latest round of g-code aids.
[23:42:52] <rayh> I'd like to see a tickle front end for these.
[23:43:21] <rayh> It would be easiest to do if we searched a separate directory for a file extension
[23:45:03] <paul_c> To modify the run script to look in the user's home dir for a gcode sub-dir is easy enough (and creating one if it doesn't exist)
[23:46:34] <rayh> Oh. Yes. I like that idea a lot. It makes it easy to use kate for hand writing g-code.
[23:47:18] <rayh> An icon on the desktop can point it there. If we could also copy over emc/programs as a g-code/programs it would
[23:47:43] <rayh> give folk the idea that they can create subdirectories in there for related scripts.
[23:48:06] <rayh> Are you thinking that we might want cp1 in there also.
[23:48:56] <paul_c> I'd not thought about cp1
[23:51:06] <rayh> I suppose that it could easily go under emc/tcl
[23:53:13] <paul_c> along with another icon in the K->EMC sub-menu
[23:53:31] <rayh> That would do it.
[23:57:35] <rayh> sent the cp1 stuff from 2.20b
[23:57:49] <rayh> Looking for the updated mini for the jog stuff now.