* paul_c is back
handy hint: if you have kids, make sure the reset button on all your machines is out of reach
[07:40:50] <paul_c> http://www.sightsystems.co.uk/?PageID=74
but no prices
the rugged 4u box is very kewl though .. wonderif its under 200 notes?
* paul_c recalls something around 180 smackers
not bad I guess
picnet makes a special appearance for one night only.
* robin_sz doubts it
how's the homing?
[09:12:43] <Imperator_> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25280&item=3853151772&rd=1
someone is selling EMC cd's on ebay with a terrible foto of a "example machine "
well.. they are allowed to do that
Note the number of beer bottles kicking around
thats why the machine look this way
is BDI Live allowed to be sold?
<gulp> Blown my cover
don't worry.. I don't want to bug you...
* alex_joni is actually working on the autoconf/install stuff
Well... The guy can seel the CDs...
or even sell them..
if people are willing to pay...
But will he provide support ?
they will ask you :-)
six bucks for shipping is a bit steep though..
maybe that's a buisness for you paul, but mostly such thinks make more work then money
the thing is don't sell anything to end users
they are asking you one hour how it works and if it is the best for them, then they buy something from you for 10 EUR :-)
I tell them to RTFM ;)
Read the Fine manual
the censored one...
and Read the Fscking manual
the usual one...
alex_joni but what if my filesystem is OK?
well... then you can mount one, and test that one
I would sugest NFS, SMB ...
of course the above should expand to read the fsck.ext3ing manual
for a normal ext3 FS, but I guess you figured that one out...
man they didn't have stuff like this when I was a kid!
I'd have definately had blown something up if they did
because it'd have been to easy to have
I had ot do this stuff with paper and pencil
board autorouters kick ass!
alex_joni want to see what I am working on?
[09:39:57] <pfred1_> http://220.127.116.11:10000/Electronics/Projects/next/preamp/PreampBoard.jpg
man that's just too cool!
you got one path unrouted
it's a program called Eagle
yeah one jumper no biggie
i know eagle
I got the copper to run jumpers to on it already
oh you use Eagle?
nope... I just tried it out
I use Orcad
in the same dir is the sch and brd files
Orcad runs on Linux?
don't think so
yeah must be why i don't use it
because they suck!
I can't wtil until Microsoft tries to get Linux outlawwed then I'll have a whole new bent on electronic timer and remote detonating projects to work on!
hmmm... wanna hear something funny?
how about those anywhere minutes?
do they work in Redmond?
do you know where m$ stores local host definitions?
all i know about M$ is they're evil crooks
yeah it's OK for them to steal stuff
but not for anyone else ot use anything
pfft any OS that used directory tree structure is stealing from UNIX
afaik they got a lot of unix programmers employed at some point
dir trees UNIX intellectual property!
there is no prior art!
just before things started to get stable... (at lest as stable as it can with m$)
* alex_joni is modifying heavily the make install, autoconf stuff...
no ideea what still works, what should work... what could work .. ;)
well time to print this bad boy out and test stuff it see how it looks
* pfred1_ wiats for his antique laser to warm up ...
couldn't pass it up for $10 at a garbage sale ya know?
I mean a garage sale
yeah HP L4+ with extra toner cart!
just the toner carts on ebay got for like $30 or so
L4+ is pretty nice
it's a boat anchor
i have a LJ1200
works pretty nice
when it dies I'll have ot ask HP for the replacement chain
so as i can use it to anchor my boat!
I mean you can't buy a nice pen for $10
guess you can...
is there a print or echo in tcl?
yey... emc2 started
run-in-place still works
now to get to the install part
paul: I know I said I won't bug you.. but can I ask a short question?
how shrt ?
what's the difference between lower letters and UPCASE letters with env_vars?
$MODULEDIR against $moduledir
Where are you looking ?
for example Makefile.inc
all the default values from autoconf are lowercase (e.g. bindir, sysconfdir, etc)
other vars are defined UPPERCASE (e.g. RTNAME, CC, RTFLAGS, CFLAGS)
Upper case are used in the make files
lower case looks like something you and zwisk added
presumably for the make install target
actually those are standard for autoconf (in all autoconf-aware packages)
so it's only a convention
alex_joni yeah you tie a good one on at the convention?
I think I'll leave them lowercase (although ENV_VARS should be uppercase by default)
pfred1_ not nice to laugh at tired people ;)
danfalck dan the man!
aliens have landed
it is awake...
and it speaks
it still needs some work.. as it speaks only rubbish
someone here probably has a cure for the aliens
danfalck: slideshow fixed & working now.
but it's a step toward intelligence
big EMC powered laser pointed at the sky...
I remember the lasers they used to fire off the WTC
"I hope that theres intelligent life somewhere out in space, because theres bugger all down here on earth"
robin_sz intelligence is not a survival trait
true. you should see the pond-life that inhabits my local town ...
paul_c: is the slideshow going on the next CD?
the tutrle 300 million years the cockroach 350 million years the shark 400 million years humanity never make it to a mil!
* robin_sz nods
if all else fails we'll just all drown in boron or somehting
nah, one of these high powere physics guys will collide two hadrons at improbable energies and whoops, they discover how to re-trigger the 'big bang'
or make a black hole in a lab or something
that'd suck huh?
"well, I never thought that would happpppeeeeeee....."
it's going to get really ugly when we do finally run out of fossil fuels
paul_c: can we have a sneak peek at the slideshow?
paul_c take it off take it all off!
does this slideshow involve paul_c parading in his underwear?
ba da da ba!
* paul_c nominate two more for a kick from the admin.
conversation like this is what keeps me going at 2:38 am
* robin_sz suddenly has a idea for a new desktop background
danfalck: You'll have to wait for the CD I'm afraid.
alex_joni Salvador Dali?
paul_c you tease!
pfred1_: why do you say that?
alex_joni it's what i use on my desktop background
alex_joni well you asked
no I didn't
no he didnt
I am tired... but not that tired
<alex_joni> pfred1_: why do you say that?
* robin_sz suddenly has a idea for a new desktop background
anyways... Dali is pretty nice
alex_joni I guess you're just not that big a fan of surrealism
not that big...
which was paul_c in his underwear ... it sure would get us a reputation ... we could easily get slashdotted with that ;))
I think a little bit more than just slashdotted
but I think that would be a way to make ebo like paul a little better ;)
is ebo still about?
so thats how laser cooling works ...
take an ion, place it in a vacuum ... it still has energy, and therefor temperature ... being in vacuum, it can't cool
point a particular frequncy of light at it, photon is absorbed and then re-emitted
robin_sz so you're saying that the Sun still has all the heat it's ever generated?
each time, the ion loses a little energy
until eventually its is very very close to abs. zero
pfred1_: the sun can release photons to dissipate energy, a single ion cant (unless another photon arrives ...)
and where do you take a single ion at this time?
robin_sz I'll take your word for it
well, quite why youd want to cool a single ion to abs zero is another question
supr fast cold beers!
[11:05:10] <robin_sz> http://www.npl.co.uk/optical_frequency_standards/ticking_faster.html
not with a single ion
maybe a stream of them?
the killer chiller!
you need a bunch of them to cool a beer
til you perfect it I'll stick with my plaster bucket water and ice
a technique which i have perfected over the years
so .. back to cnc ...
when i get my amp done
a wooden object ...
and a 3 axis cnc thing ...
I need to scan the object to point-cloud data ...
build an IGES model ...
produce a machining starategy of rough and fine passes ..
me i was looking at router bits today
and then make lots of em ...
bout as close as i got to CNC
ended up buying a circular saw blade
scanning is easy enough ... what do peopel recommend for working point-cloaud data up into IGES models then?
so, no 3d wizards here then?
I've seen programs that can like make gcode out of like jpgs or what have you
yeah, thats not quite the same ... I do need to build IGES surface definitions so we can remodle it etc
robin_sz when I get done wiht my machine I'll be happy if it can just do text
thrilled in fact!
(its a job for my gunsmith, I work out how to carve hand grips, I get new rifle ;)
* robin_sz nods
building stuff that does 3d text was my first cnc machine ..
vtk will take a cloud of points
and export a number of formats
robin_sz vtk = very terrible krakhead
I think the woodwork has gone off to be laser scanned. we'll get back ASCII point cloud data
I have VTK here ... somehwere
I saw a website someplace where guy made 3D laser scanner
yeah, we just sent it off, was easier
[11:15:02] <paul_c> http://public.kitware.com/VTK/
* robin_sz reads the FAQ
had it render an stl of Chips
I think if I can get point-cloud to STL I can use Rhino to surface it
emc2 is now running from the installed location
paul_c: what was that cvs command to commit everything?
ci -m "Resume of the changes"
* alex_joni wonders...
when a make install is made (in a specific dir) DESTDIR=test, for package building
is emc2 supposed to work from there as well ?
03alex_joni 07autoconf_install_0_1 * 10emc2/ (8 files in 4 dirs):
a lot of changes in order to get make install work. It needs testing. Right now
run-in-place works (scripts/test.run), is supported during make install, target
dirs are created by autoconf, install.map shows the locations where various
files go. uninstall still needs to get done, so do make tgz, make rpm, deb and
You don't have a "make deb" rule
not at all.
ahhh... there is no such thing?
well... I actually wanted to point out that deb-package support needs to get fixed
dpkg-buildpackage does it all.
I just realised some files didn't exist on CVS
I added those now...
03alex_joni 07autoconf_install_0_1 * 10emc2/scripts/ (emc.run.in test.run.in emc.run): added scripts/test.run.in and scripts/emc.run.in from which ./configure generates the runscripts
03alex_joni 07autoconf_install_0_1 * 10emc2/ (configure.in configure): added a message to the user at the end of ./configure, what to do next
geee... configure is at version 18.104.22.168.2.2
pretty simple to remember
ok.. guess I'll call it a day...
it's 4 am here... time to sleep
Ooo, robin's here!
Lessee...it should be 10AM over there...
* asdfqwega waves to robin_sz
Advice to everyone - don't drink strong stimulants when doing soldering on circuits :)
Very SMALL circuits
Like trying to thread a needle with a jackhammer
* robin_sz waves to asdfqwega
paul_c: how is your physics?
so if you have a leverm and apply a force, the resultant moment is F x l, right?
sounds about right...
so ... whats wrong with this then?
[22:47:41] <robin_sz> http://zattevrienden.realroot.be/depanneren.htm
a) He didn't have any outriggers down
b) failed to take in to account the wieght of the water...
c) he's Irish?
(its in connemara ..)
I thnk it was OK while he was lifting slightly forward over the cab a little, but as he swung it 90> to the side ...
* alex_joni waves
it's pretty early I guess...