first successful install from BDI-3.xx last night
Really. That's great. Got past the script problems?
A couple of issues to resolve
No mount points for cdrom & floppy created
That is one of the issues that I have with morphix and knoppix when installed.
Even 2xx gets into a bind between automount or supermount or whatever they use.
If it comes down to it, I can do some trickery in a post-config script
What auto mounter do you like? Or do you like automount?
supermount has been pretty reliable for me
Okay. Is that the one where the icons need to point to the directory rather than the device?
Good. I had a few issues with live. Everytime you crossed / while looking at the fs it hung while it tried to load floppies and cdrom.
Might have had something to do with the transparent directories.
Live also uses supermount
The way round this would be to have the cdrom/floppy mount points in /mnt (for example)
cause supermount looks at the directory tree one step down?
rayh trees have branches not steps :)
It's still to early for me.
unless you're swiss family robinson
Or star wars.
hey is there like an emc rom you can put into any linux distro that's rpm based?
I like the idea of /mnt/floppy and /mnt/cdrom but is Linux moving away from this?
rayh I think that was always a distro thing
/mnt is like linux standard anything under it is anyone's game
tho that's how i happen to do it create dirs in /mnt
pfred1_: The problem with an rpm of EMC is that you need a real-time kernel
pfred1_: There is an emc.rpm around
that and make aliases to do common mounts
Then that kernel has to play nice with the distro.
yeah you'd have to make special kernel I'd imagine
It gets a lot more involved than that....
heh suse makes some funny aliases for you
alias unmount='echo "Error: Try the command: umount" 1>&2; false'
I knew a guy once that scripted his whole shell for every possible typo and the shell would give out jokes for each
on our CSE machine on campus we had alias la='echo la laaa la laaalala!'
cradek yeah sounds like guy I knew was there
Installing an old MS 98 on laptop so I can do some PLC programming...
hmmm Some Linux kernel security vulnerabilities http://lwn.net/Articles/110486/
just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water
is emc 2.4.X or 2.6.X based these days?
most of the users are 2.2.x Sherline and such.
Live users are 2.4.x
Some still hang on to 2.0.36
2.2 the good old days well actually i liked 2.0 better than 2.2 2.2 had to have been my least favorite version
2.0.36 best linux kernel ever!
I got one of those here someplace.
that's when Linux was Linux
By the time you added 09j to the kernel and compiled emc...
and started four emc parts each in their own terminal...
you were way out there.
03alex_joni 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (configure configure.in): fixed a stupid typo
Hey. Did all the ms-98 product keys contain a "4Q"?
rayh I thought someone came up wiht a hack to generate fake keys that'd work
something about they were divisible by some number or something and they were valid
Probably within a few hours of the first release.
I got a cracked MS-DOS 6.22 here with a serian number of FFFFFFF
some guy at a computer store gave it to me
That was a DOS! My floppies died a few years ago. Wish I still had them.
yeah i should see if mine still anygood could post them for you then dd would probably copy them OK
actually i think i burned them to a CD
just so they wouldn't die
my MASM died and I could never get another copy that pissed me off!
My connection is so darn slow. I can watch the bits coming down the wire.
MASM was cool!
it's only 6 floppies dial ups can get that
I installed slackware 3.4 off a dial up
all 128MB of it!
I thought it was so elite to download a whole OS over the Internet back then and run it today I think nothing of it
rayh a guy I knew on the net and I figured out a way to increase bandwidth we'd mail HDDs back and forth to each other 80GB in 2 days is some bandwidth!
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of magtapes.
No kidding. That is fast.
yeah we'd share movies that way
my upload is only like 29 kb/s it's pretty slow
My second computer experience was with an IBM 360-50 and the disks were loadable.
I once asked for a large core job 512 bytes as I remember.
the HDDs in the PDP 11/34 i gutted were pull outs I think well i pulled them out at anyrate :)
you should see the rolling cabinet i made out of it
[01:46:25] <pfred1_> http://184.108.40.206:10000/wood/cshop/Drawers/drawers.html
the drawers are the HDD cases
Used a pdp-10 when it was new!
well I'm still using this PDP for storage
the metal rack was probably the best thing I got out of it
a geek wristwatch has more horsepower than that thing had!
we stil lwant to make a go kart out of the HDD spindles
oh thanks yeah nice drawer slides
they like full extention types I had to put them to some sort of use
here's the coolest page on my site print it out hang it in your shop! http://220.127.116.11:10000/wood/cshop/drillguide.html
I looked all over the net for a file like that couldn't find one so I made it myself
eeuww... Funny fraction thingies.
What is this "inches" bit ?
paul_c welcome to the world of real machining
metric is crap!
americans are loony for using this
what size is that nut? why it's 10mm they all are!
'pends where your market is
but, thanks for the chart
I hate metric hardware it sucks
* paul_c doesn't have a choice.
when i went to school we tried metric for a whole 2 weeks
the whole country did
back like in the 70s
well my Ford is all metric today
lets just say that it didn't go over very big
when I'm working on it and the 11 wrench is too small, I get the 12
yeah well auto manufacturers don't do things ot make thing easier or better it's not business smart for them to
I don't understand what you mean
if a car was anygood why would someone want to buy another one?
auto industry survives with the idea that you buy a new car every two years
that's a good question about everything
well autos it's especially bad
one possible answer is "for the new style"
another is "to look wealthy"
another is "to keep up with the joneses"
they could make you a car today that'd be fuel effecient and last you a lifetime
this is what advertising does
but then the rich wouldn't get richer
fwiw, I have a 50 year old car
I do the work on it myself, and it runs great
probably handles like a dream
a dream you wake up from in a cold sweat
... except for the 1/4 turn of slack in the steering
US cars never handled anygood
they drive like couches with wheels on them
it drives nice but it's not practical - top speed of about 65, bad emissions, no safety equipment, etc.
so there's reason to buy new cars.
yeah put something through the windshield today and shiver violently
it doesn't have safety glass!
or seat belts or air bags or turn signals
try to trade up to the 57 much more classic
* cradek shrugs
it's just a toy. I have a real car.
well 57s are cooler toys
why it only go 65 MPH?
it should do at least 90
what's it got in it a 265?
it might go 90 down a steep hill in neutral
this doesn't sound like the most fun toy to me
I had a 216 once. File the rod caps or pour new babbit to stop the clanking.
my toy goes over 150 how far over i well I don't got the guts to find out truth be told
because at 150 I get awfully religious
my real car is a modern mustang with tires only rated to 120
you gotta watch those tire ratings
so you do it on a cool day
when i go fast i do it like 3:30 AM
I set the cruise at 90 on the interstate, but any faster than that is a bad idea.
only ford i ever liked was the shelby cobra
the 289s were cool
the 427s front end slid too much
Kerry went over to Bush's place to concede the election in person. Bush asked Kerry, "Why the long face?"
paul_c: Installing suse now using YAST. Interesting.
rayh woo go SuSE!
rayh what version?
enterprise server 9 eval
yeah seems like after 8.2 suse got a little funny about the freebie releases
I guess they want people ot buy the disc sets
Got this with one of the mags I read.
it still should be pretty sharp
The limitations is probably a novel thing.
YAST is an interesting installer.
well use was always funny about the freebie vers like not too many isos
yast or yast2?
Must have been 2
my copy of suse has both
yast2 is pretty nice
I should download a mirror of the ftp site
I got an old 9.0 on this system I use on my network
I'm curious to see how this looks for configuration.
yeah thing about yasts is check the runlevel editor out lots of stuff you'd expect to find someplace else is actually in the runlevel editor
so give that a good looking over
you can actually do almost all system admin through yast2 if you look hard enough
heck the few things I didn't find i probably didn't look hard enough myself
* rayh is a network idiot.
well suse makes it all pretty point click and shoot
sneakernet here still.
like you can setup your nfs through it
I never could figure out the dialup interface to a network.
you can do masquerading
that's under firewall config
just say yes to firewall then yes to masq
and you'll setup NAT
I'll have to have you help when I get this installed.
then any PC behind the masq box you just tell it that the masq box is it's gateway
and it's on the Internet!
My box has a winmodem that I've got to setup with linmodem before I can get it on line.
suse usually really good with hardware detection and configuration you'll have to put it to the test
Should I set up a separate box for the gateway rather than the box I surf with?
well my main PC I have direct to the net because masq can have some issues with passing packets sometimes
then all my other PCs around the house are on secondary NIC to a switch out to rest of my LAN
so I can like web browse or what have you from other boxes
Okay. That sounds like something similar would work for me.
yeah it's simple but useful
essentially unless you try really complex networking things you're pretty much connected to the Internet on any system
suse shows a 2.6.5 kernel.
like if I'm in the celler fiddling wiht my electronics i can google a part number
I need demand dialing and such.
yeah suse uses the 2.6 now
well we'll have to see how all of that works
I got cable always on
Lucky. 6 miles to the nearest cable.
RX bytes:1073636352 (1023.8 Mb) TX bytes:91325828 (87.0 Mb)
my ISP lubz me :)
heck comcast been pretty good they reliable haven't evne changed out my IP since i signed up with them
only thing that sucked is they auth with NICs HWaddr
so when the cable guys showed up I had old box with win98 on it they hooked that up then when they left i had to take NIC ouf ot that system put into this one
then I was good to go!
yeah they don't do Linux
I'm living for the day when companies do!
I've got a whole pile of lightning fried modems in the corner.
heck i could mail ya a stack of modems
I save them when i gut PCs
yeah I'll probably snag a PC today kinda hankering for one and gotta hit the dumps
Anything faster than 19k is more than enough here.
Where you located?
this town pretty rich people throw out perfectly good stuffs
[02:52:58] <pfred1_> http://www.city-data.com/city/Summit-New-Jersey.html
one thing I'll miss when i move from here is the town dumps
Not many of those kind round here.
you wouldn't believe the electronics they toss
last time I was there i picked up this thing called an HP Kayak 450 II
it basically works
I was near there once working for a clockmaker.
but I'm going to strip it for parts because overall performance is lackluster
yeah everything around here
not going to miss that so much too crowded!
I could mail you a few modems though I mean what am i going to do with them?
That would be great.
they out of like Compaqs or HPs
I was looking at them the other day
Where you moving to?
much better tax structure
that's the understatement of the eon!
here they're out of control!
Okay. Drove through once. Took about 8 minutes on the freeway.
Big bridge is all I remember.
Median house value: $469,200 (year 2000)
be nice to gat that for this place!
I'm thinking more like 400K
this isn't the "better" side of town really
Way up there compared to here. 18.5 for a corner lot with 2 story 3 bdrm.
That was a couple years ago. Got my place on a lake for <50
Course there are the downsides, snow and bugs and a 2 mile gravel driveway
snow? where I'm going the locals tell me it's always gone by noontime
Upside is few neighbors. area wide there are about 1.2 humans per acre.
I'm kind of looking forward to that!
hmm axe murderer in the neighborhood?
I'm guessing, you'll like it.
* pfred1_ thinks how that .2 of a human got onto an acre ...
yeah my whole life i've lived here and it was OK up until this one neighboor moved next door
so I'll give them a little going away present when i sell :)
I'll sell the place to Dominican gangsters
then they cna say something to them!
they'll be the .2 of the humans hanging in the shower!
Musta counted while he was relieving himself through the fence.
looking out my one window I can count 14 houses wihtout trying too hard
it's just too crowded here!
and to think my town is raking everyone $7K a year of better in taxes!
what do they do with it all?
Ouch. I thought 1k was bad.
like i said they're out of control here
this town isn't evne the worst in the area but it's pretty high up there
new providence it's worse
new providence one of the Enron crooks came from there
kid younger than me
Okay. That sounds abour right.
shows ya the strong morals built in this ara huh?
what's a moral these days?
I honestly don't know I used to think people had some scruples
OK I'm off for a bit to finish up the yard then go shopping at the dumps bbl
Catch you later.
hey Ray - It looks like we will be using autofs in place of supermount....
The new suse uses an auto show when you stuff a cd in.
Gotta take a look at that and see how it is set up...
they use /media/cd and floppy
Don't see a module specifically for this.
There is a cdrom module
etc/fstab lists file type as subfs and there is a subfs module.
there's some kernel compile time options that need to be set
Oh. That's how they do it.
I've decided I like the synaptic package manager better than yast. Just a first impression.
There is a version of synaptic for RPM packages
but I dn't want to go back to the rpm dependency nightmare
gotta go & eat - Then go out for a couple of hours.
* paul_c is away: Food and meetings
pfred1_, the infamous fred proctor! How goes it?
wow, its been a while I guess
does robin still get on here?
im gonna guess paul_c is sleeping hahahaha
* paul_c is back
ive been trying to keep up with reading the list mails :)
lots of new folks and changes have been made for sure :)
how have you been?
the list(s) have been fairly quiet...
* paul_c has been busy with the next BDI variant
yeah thats true
im using it as my firewall believe it or not, the last version I burned
Live or 2.xx ?
I had a main drive failure almost a year ago, and I use live, with iptables, and I mount a scsi drive with all my settings on it, pretty neat
we using a rtlinux kernel?
despite it's shortcomings, Live is pretty soid
I cant remember, Im going to get back into things during the comming weeks and try to pick up where I left off.
Live uses 2.4.25 with the RTAI patches
I need to migrate a bunch of files to this box before I can get back into linux
oh okay, thats right,
I sorta perked up over the recent mails concerning i/o cards
got some stuff in dev for a 2.6 kernel
but not sure if it should be committed just yet
I still keep wondering if usb has a use.
the USB hardware screws up realtime support from what I've heard
I did a search a while back, closest thing was a usb camera and using what I imagine are the rtai calls to move the cameras positional motors via parallel
I don't have any usb gadgets to plug in, so can't say for sure
I know I left a bunch of important words out, and steps
maybe thats something I can work with trying
it would be a good way to learn the things I need to learn, and it wont have me in the main mix of things
You still looking at doing stuff with emc[1|2] ?
im just trying to find a place to start a new, with learning code, and things along those lines, I still dont have the capitol to start with the accual machine parts I need
well yeah ofcourse I am
I just needed a break from everything going on at that point in time when I had to go for a while
There's always something that needs doing...
you know my level, im not very competent with things, packed full of ideas, and I can understand some things. others not so well, but maybe with the break I had Ill be able to look at things In a different way
just pick an area to work on
If any changes you want to make run the risk of breaking things, we can set you up in a cvs branch..
I dont know enough to be making changes, I found the last time I was looking at thigns it was still a bit large for me to comprehend, I have yet to look at HAL but I bet its very clean and more readly understandable to me
* paul_c doesn't want to be drawn in to a discussion on HAL
some of the things such as the motion or generation of the motion I would like to learn, I understand G code completely, how the G code acculay is interputed to motion I dont know
I wasnt trying to draw you in, just a mention of it, I dont know enough about how the files in the code tie together, I was unable to accually find the parts that produced the "motion" for example
the interp breaks each line of G code down into simple functions
these functions are then passed to emcmot
and converted in to motion
(except for M most codes)
im sorry, im back now, had a phone call to deal with
where did we get to ?
not too far, mainly looking for something simple to look at
were you guys able to remove everything you wanted to remove?
that was the last thing I was sorta involved with, I dont think I got very far but I was able to look at a lot of code
cleaned out as much of the code that was incompatable with GPL as we could find.
oh that must have come after what I was looking into then
but thats good
plenty of documentation left to do...
I dont know enough code to effectively document things
there are several stages....
adding doxygen tags to the functions
your using doxygen now?
Some of the code has the tags needed.
I lost all of my stuff when I had that drive failure, really bummed me out,
I started understanding a lot of things, or more easly, when tinkering with ctags
level two would be to add simple comments to go with the tags
level three, write full descriptions
other tasks on my list - Grep the code and add gettext tags
and isolate translatable strings in the tcl code
do you currently have a server up with the current doxygen output file?
both for i18n support
no server with the doxygen docs
figured it was better to supply the code and let the developer generate his/her own docs
okay, so I basically need to get a few things going then, get my other box cleaned up for a clean current install, get back in touch with my linux side and cvs down, install and learn doxygen, and start with that
some of the code already has doxygen tags, and the config file is in cvs
so you could use these as examples, or....
pick a totally different task to take on.
im going to need to go ahead and get an instalable system ready first
Live provides most of the base system
not that I think I can work on this, just asking but was the motion portion fixed that we had been discussing last year?
it involved the accual motion being smooth, its just been soo long
not much work has been done with the core RT code since emc2 was created
jmk has messed around with the variable names & structs, and re-written the homing sequence
it looks a lot cleaner since I last played with it
* paul_c has added G33 support to the interp
when I was looking at it, versions for all sorts of archs existed, Im not seeing that
zwisk & alex_joni have been working on autotools
[10:36:47] <paul_c> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/emc
time for bed
gezr: Have a look at emc2 and see what you want to do with it..
I've seen autoconf still doesn't work on BDI-TNG
too bad I don't have a TNG here to test things out...
I need to get some other work out of the way befre I can look at testing TNG
* alex_joni has been reading the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
paul_c: no need to hurry...
TNG autoconf can wait
Fada an l�, go s�mh..
Got Tony on the line with a boot problem with the new disk.
what's the prob ?
Boots back to the old system.