* alex_joni is back....
* alex_joni went home... later guys....
paul_c: You hanging around?
back from Tea..
alex_joni: Did you want to resend the email from yesterday...
The one that you tried to send twice last night
I did resend it yesterday (because you said you didn't get it... thought the problem was on my side)
the problem is more likely with my ISP
did you try the account I set you up?
yes - But it wouldn't accept any outgoing mail
it accepts outgoing mail only with authentication
not sure how to set up that on your mail client
* asdfqwega feels better - new, shiny laser ordered and on it's way
Now, on to ebay sales. Anybody want a couple dozen Pentium 1's? You could use them to tile you bathroom!
* alex_joni watched a show last night on making gold out of computer scratch...
Yeah, I know there's a guy in the UK who does it...It takes him several tonnes of scrap to get, what?, 8 or so lbs of unrefined precious metals?
Several tonnes of computer board is pretty bulky.
hmmm.. I saw that 3 PC's have in them the same quantity of gold as do 3 tons of rock from africa...
You should see the microgold mining that goes on in Arkansas, USA
when I'll get the chance ;)
Foreign companies are mining US gold - and they sift through an entire mountain to get it
Well...back outside, while the sun's shining and all that.
it's dark here...
so watch out... it's going your direction :D
paul_c: any luck?
what e-mail client are you using?
paul_c: Keith sent through another revised interp.
I sent him monday's sf *-new.
He said it would be rather easy to bring his stuff into line.
But could we have it in stages please
Don't know how long it will take him.
paul_c: it looks to me as KMail supports SMTPAuth (http://www.netfaqs.com/linux/Mail/KMail/New/index.asp?bisp=)
I'll ask. First the fixes, then the indenting or other way round?
comments, indentation, and code in seperate patches - Makes it so much easier to see what has changed.
Fixes first would be best.
IMO, doesn't matter, but separate
(better yet, never reformat)
always have to contribute my 2c
you contribute in EURO-cents?
I spent hours decoding an indent run + change in an emc file not long ago
paul_c: Mind if I give keith an eaddy for you?
I wonder how danfalck is doing with the website update
(I think it was him)
rayh: Not a problem
I'm outa here...
you keep saying that, but then you come back
we know you can't stay away
I know that too ;)
but it's late here...I'll be back tomorrow :P
was danfalck really doing a website update?
I think it was him
someone wanted emcplot3d screenshots, remember?
but I don't see them on the site yet
hmmm... didn't hear anything...
I see now...
let me check the logs ;)
yup... it was danfalck
* robin_sz waves
[08:44:10] <paul_c> http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/humanoid-robotics-group/index.html
any of em run EMC?
wouldn't have thought so - Not enough IO
* asdfqwega waves
Hey, Robin - good news and bad news
Good news - I was able to re-mount my lens, and with assist air, cut 1/4" oak with 0.010" kerf
it cut your finger off?
you are now blind?
Bad news - the doofus I got the laser from used speaker wire for the HV lines, so it took out one of my Xylotex drives
AND I broke off an electrode when changing the wire
And I mean BROKE
dang dang dang
vacuum still OK?
all is not lost!
if you fill it with some coloured water and a little oil, it will make a nice lamp
shame about the terminal though ...
did you pre-heat the tube near the electrode?
[09:05:18] <asdfqwega> http://www.bright.net/~janfritz/Laser/laser_break.jpg
No, he didn't have it soldered - some strange type of clip.
thats what the laser pros call 'fscked'
oh. so it was purely mechanical then, you pulled too hard?
I didn't even pull too hard - it was ready to let go
[09:07:17] <paul_c> http://www.livejournal.com/users/eeymsmo/92545.html
oh. I would have thought if it was ready to break, there would have been a lot of leakage ... small cracks and all that
However, there is still some good news
I got in touch with Synrad, and the sales rep managed to snag me a 10W RF-excited unit with power supply - and it'll ship tomorrow
Which was good - their nominal lead time is 4 weeks
So I basically have until next Tuesday to have everything ready to bolt on the new one
It's a damn shame this one broke - I was just starting to do some fretwork
but many dollars?
Not too bad - $2400
or a free replacement?
theres some guys doing chinese tubes and supplies for < 1000
do you know any lab technicians with glassware skills?
Robin, I'm out in the freakin' sticks...Anything resembling a lab tech is over 100 miles away
I know I could fix this tube, eventually - but I'd get the help of a neon shop
They'd have the right glass's for the metal-glass seal, and the vacuum equipment
then it's just a matter of my finding some gas mix for sealed tubes.
But that's just become a mid-term project
But with the new laser, I'll finally have real electronic control over power and on/off
I'd love to see if I can do on-the-move modulation with EMC
Probably with that M101, or other
some laser cutters do x pulses per mm
quite handy as you get the right amount of energy delivered in corners etc
Ah, now I remember - I wanted to ask you about laser diode arrays
uh huh ...
There's a few on ebay that are 45W - but they're 793nm wavelength
uh huh ...
these are bar arrays ...
Have you ever heard of someone use one of those for cutting, directly?
deigned to illuminate a YAG rod
no. the output is too poor
That's what I figured
its got huge divergence, and its not a single spot
its an array of spots ...
but ... point it at a YAG rod, you get 50% conversion and a nice low divergence beam
no use for wood though
mount it in your back windshield and blind tailgaters ;)
just like they do in fighter aircraft
That's pretty much what I thought...that, and the power sensitivity of a diode array
How are they supposed to blind tailgaters from an aircraft?
It seems just as unlikely as the idea of making a computer-controlled laser turret for killing flys.
thay use 'undreds and 'undreds of watts of diodes
illegal under the geneva convention ...
but apparently the desing, manufacture and sale isnt
Who is doing this?
the 'illegal' bit is getting caught :)
using or making?
officially: no one
but apparently there are at least 2 companies in the UK selling lots, or so Im told ;)
Yeah, pull the other one
search for 'laser dazzle weapons' on ebay
Heh, sounds like the "laser, phaser, and ion ray gun" ads in the back of Popular Science Magazine
oh, looks like they are in use with british warships ...
Oh, I imagine the major miltary powers are researching energy weapons
back to CNC ...
Either Dan has woken up, or a small has hacked the keyboard
a client asked for some mods to the plasma yesterdy ... by lunctime they were designed, lasered, pressed and fitted :)
* paul_c goes for a reboot
* robin_sz throws danfalck's rug-rat a fish
sadly, paul is sleeping!
speaking of the devil
I am having some trouble putting grub down on an rc-46 box, any reccomendations on doing it manually?
(booting from cdrom)
grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda3/boot /dev/hda
is what i am trying now
the installer should do it all for you
durring the installer, so i killed it
check the md5sum
in the meantime, how are we going to get the next beta release up to Ray to test ?
i can host it if you want
put it someplace i can fetch it form
OK - I'll email you with an ip addy/file.name
what is a maximum time i should expect while running grub-install durring the installer?
well, it is taking 10+ min
on a 2.2ghz p4
that CD sounds like it is borked
and i have used this to install on other machines no problem
maybe this particular motherboard has issues?
(btw sata doesn't work)
is it jumpered cable select and the others have been master?
sata needs some screwball hacks
it is jumpered to master, single drive
* paul_c was reading up about it the other night
tbl_ is now known as tbl
I would just really like to ship out this unit today, but it lacks a working boot loader.
yeah, that seems non-optimal
any idea's paul?
apt-get install lilo ?
haha, i have to be able to boot into the os first
install grub on floppy
No... Do it on the Live
and do the lilo install from the CD
interesting, let me try that
(or you could use a boot floppy and re-install grub)
(hate lilo btw)
yeah i would rather do that
the install script keeps erroring because there is a lack of proc
simple, as in simple fix?
check mount to see if proc is mounted in the chrooted environ
is proc shown as mounted anywhere ?
only thing mounted is /mnt/target
which happens to be linked to /dev/hda3
it says its already mounted if i try to mount it
however, if i df, it gets errors
umount: proc seems to be mounted multiple times
oh well, i am passed the ups cutoff, guess it isn't goign out todday
mount -t proc /proc /proc
tbl: you left sherline?
and now you're building emc machines somewhere else?
paul that has no effect
well congrats, hope you're enjoying it
yeah its good
um I think you need a front page or something
you don't see the e-commerce site?
yeah but it's empty
This is a default setup of the osCommerce project, products shown are for demonstrational purposes, any products purchased will not be delivered nor will the customer be billed.
yeah i just installed osCommerce today
i added some categories
if you look on the left
(This site is designed in FrontPage and is best viewed with Microsoft Explorer. Some photos may appear out of position when viewed in Netscape or other browsers.)
I see you didn't get sherline to go with your new design, that's too bad
i didn't do any web development for sherline
except for like
[10:49:46] <tbl> http://sherline.com/emc/ud/
yikes, it hurts to see all those emc bugs listed in one place
haha it is outdated
but look at how many are left without a fix.
I see that
all of those issues are fixed i think
any idea's on getting grub on this box?
proc is now mounted, and i am doing grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda3 /dev/hda
to no avail, it appears to be locked.
mount --bind /proc /mnt/target/proc
tbl: did you make sure you have boot sector (virus) protection turned off in the bios?
(if it has it)
yeah it's off
you've done machines just like this? it must be some kind of hardware issue
this is a new hardware configuration
new motherboard at least
real time operations run fine
its just grub
grub is a pos i tell ya!
oh and apt-get install lilo doesn't work
I still think you should install grub on floppy and reboot
did you do an apt-get update first ?
* paul_c concurs with cradek - Make a boot floppy.
The first BDI-3.xx installed & booted
cradek: are you there?
cradek:I haven't forgotten about putting the screenshots up yet.
cradek: just have to confer with Steve(owner of server) a bit.
oh, by the way, sorry for the cat climbing all over my keyboard earlier :)