03paul_c * 10emc2/directory.map: Updated the map with i18n suggestion
My traversing routines went clear to hell yesterday.
Rebuilding the whole thing here.
You mean the ISO I rebuilt is borked ?
No everything is good except tcl/smini.
I will still need to rebuild the ISO then...
Oh. Yes. They can test the install with what's there but I need to finish more. Not slept since days now.
Gotta quit doing this.
36 hour days are not good.
But dragging my tracks out.
Had a quick look at i18n support within tickle
Doesn't look to hard to implement
Once we have some translations to work with.
Can we library each language and trigger from english like emc_mode which returns auto ...
Even easier than that - Tcl uses the LANG system variables to select which language to use
So how do we connect "auto" to the language stuff?
for the menu stuff ?
For all of it.
We use stuff like showMode from the emc update loop.
All of the stuff being sent to and returned from emcsh would have to be translated.
Hmmm.... I had been looking at things like error messages...
Will have to look at the interaction of tkemc/emcsh/emc a bit more.
We tried error message and menu lookup tables several years ago. Tripped over emcsh.
emcsh would have to be done using gettext (part of the glibc library)
as would the error messages from the interp.
The worst part will be going through all the code and selecting the translatable strings.
But then you'll wind up with the nightmare of not knowing how a specific widget is going to work with the new language.
radiobuttons for example What's the varname and value?
varname and value are internal to the GUI
it is only error messages and on-screen text that needs to be translated
But if gettext is translating auto. We can not use emc_mode as a signaler for other widgets.
in our commercial i18nized app, we print errors both localized and in english. It makes it possible for us to make sense of errors that are emailed, faxed, etc. to us.
I think I see where you are going with your concerns about i18n
The issue with emcsh is that we use the returns from many of the commands as the if variable.
We also use these as the name of the variable or it's value in many of the sliders, check and radio buttons.
Let me do some changes in a branch and we can see if/where things go tits up (if att all)
You go! I'm just about fed up with tits up -- all of 'em.
On a lighter note - It would appear that the RTAI group has picked up on, and is recommending the BDI CDs now.
That will extend EMC's reach.
I wonder if the 2.6 is greatly reducing the need for Hard Real Time?
not at all - latencies in the 2.6 kernels are still up in the 100uSec area even with MontaVista's patches
(according to some of the guys over in Italy)
Gotta go and do Tea.
Catch you later.
Do you have a box set up using your locale ?
actually I'm in a hotel right now...
* alex_joni is fighting with the cellphone...
* paul_c is messing around with i18n
seen that ;)
Small error in my note
* alex_joni finally got to send a simple e-mail... took me half an hour :(
localedir = $(datadir)/locale
No $(package) tagged on the end
I had no time to dig through the cvs stuff... but I've read the irc log
you talking to ray avout i18n
btw.. I missed steve stallings on sunday :(
to talk about the page & server
Steve said web site was under Ray's control
ohhh.. then ray ;)
I talked to my webhoster
he said he would sponsor 50MB's
what sort of bandwidth ?
so... if enyone wants to check out how it's done.. I can give user/pass for testing
did you ever try cpanel?
I'm not sure Ray would want to move unless the propposed host can offer higher b/w and/or more space
than Steve is offering.
i see... it was just a thought...
but you would need to ask Ray to be sure
I really found it to be flexible ;)
I would wait a week or two though
He is under a lot of stress at the moment
I'll focus on autoconf & install issues...
I think I'll scrap emc on doze stuff..
didn't really compile...
linker issues ... aaargh
Missing tcl ?
missing an obj
or some entrypoint to consoleMain_thingy
a common one ?
emcsh i think
the .dev files are not 100% ok
it compiled ok, after some hours ;)
but I can't link the exe...
Fred Proctor would be the one to ask about that..
next time I'll see him ;;)
anyways.. linuxis the way to go...
gotta crash... I'm pretty done...
paul: still interested in have a few copies of the no-cat-farts etching?
Man, you know tired when you type like second language English is.
* asdfqwega prods Paul
A question, that's what :)
paul: still interested in have a few copies of the no-cat-farts etching?
a couple would be fun, sure..
I'll let you know when they're done
I was just surprised yesterday, when you asked <g>
* paul_c collects things "Made by EMC"
Then I thought you weren't serious when you said 10^6...
that was a missprint
Well, I'm probably going to be doing more coding here, in the next couple weeks
A couple more scripts to work with my laser, and I'm probably going to make something better than the "ncutils" that's with the cvs of emc
I tried using 'shiftcnc', and it mangled my program :(
I haven't tried looking, but is python on the BDI-Live?
* paul_c needs to get more organised with his coding
Python certainly is on Live
Well, sun is shining...few enough days like this left, I'd better go do something.
Talk with you later
Now... Is picnet here to lurk or talk ?
lurk I think
nice day today...it was hard to work
about 25c and sunny
nice fall colors
"work" what's that ?
it's what I am doing 7 days a week..and I need a break bad
I was on the computer making excuses to ITW Switches
and my excuses are getting pretty lame
I have "oversold my services"
* paul_c hands Les a copy of the BOFH excuse book
i need it
Have trid to hire a sander here
no joy yet
I need to be doing engineering not sanding
* paul_c needs to get a work visa
we can work on that
I have to get these stepper test boxes out fast or they are gonna get pissed
also they want me in Chicago NOW
and I have a big carved sign backlog
Just as the cold weather is setting in..
can't say no
it's getting a little chilly there yes
no snow cover though
the snow is usually on the ground all the time from lat november to feb or march
But Ray gets much more snow due to being between lakes superior and michigan
I was suprised to find snow still lying in June over in SoCal
in the high sierra yes
only snow free in august
even got snowed on over in the Bristlecone NP
I remember a long time ago over a foot in London
* paul_c is lucky to see more than an inch in Norfolk
well ...have to go rake a few leaves.... should have a couple thousand cubic feet (fluffed up)
03zwisk 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (Makefile Makefile.inc.in configure configure.in):
Fix for autodetecting KERNEL_VERS for non-trivial version.h files
Addition of early i18n support, including --with-locale-dir=
Addition of make install_po target for installing i18n .po files
Addition of UFLAGS for locale support, as per paul_c's request
03paul_c 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/configure.in: Correct an error in the original request...
03paul_c 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/configure.in: And also fix it when --with-locale-dir is given.
03paul_c 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/Makefile: Add a comment to the top level Makefile.
woops... sorry... didn't mean to check in errors! :)
oh...I see paul is finally asleep
Les: which part of the world are you in?
oh haha pretty close
I was reading the backlog here, and how you needed sanders...
I did a small qualifying run of cherry turkey calls on the cnc
they turned out so good that I was awarded all production
good or bad?
but like most woodworking the labor content is 75% sanding (thanks to cnc)
Hm...sanding what kind of shape?
So for the next orders I have to get a guy in here so I can do engineering
round like a hockey puck....done on a motor/brake spin lathe
And you're cutting the wood, how? Lathe bit, or tool-post grinder?
I know an old man who makes EXCELLENT pool queues on a lathe...his tolerances are +-0.0002
my large format cnc router cuts them. Right now it takes 90 seconds but I have not optimized the code. I can get it down to 30 seconds I think
My machine is mapped out to 0.0005 but I hardly need it in this case
Ah, with a router...yeah, you would need sanding afterwards
right...Its pretty smooth off the router but need a little touch up and sanding between finish coats
So i'm here standing with 320 grit sandpaper in my hand when I have $15k of automation robotics to finish and ship...
I am working 7 days a week and I can't do that for long without going zonkers
Wish I could help, but I'm a ways away :/
I had another question, since you were talking about lasers before...
Now, I have a 15W laser with a focal lens with a 1.75" FL
I've been trying to cut wood with it
I was wondering if I might need a differnt FL for cutting
I was hoping to cut 1/4"
A longer focal length would penetrate somewhat more... but deep cutting requires that the material is physically blown away so that it does not occlude
might be tough with 15w
I think 50w min for 1/4
YAG can do a bit better
Heh...I've tried that with shop air, and with some things it tends to fan a fire
higher power especially with pulsing tends to almost explosively blast out the vapors that occlude the beam
what is your len material?
Well, such improvements are currently out of my reach, but it's something to plan for.
ZnSe, coated, I think
I used gallium arsenide mostly
I would crack a lens about daily with 2000w
just a speck of dust would do it
Yes, robin_sz told me about that...the thermal shock
Once I recall the shift supervisor removed the mirror and the laser was on (he was not the brightest)
and the wall caught on fire 150 ft away ha
heh...I was reading stories like that in Sam's Laser FAQ
saw a bit of red streaks across faces too
He's lucky he didn't pass his hand through the beam
Darwin Award nominee
I finally roughly sandblasted the aluminum table so the reflections diverged more
10.6 micron needs a very rough surface to be lambertian
like an Ra of 50 micron or so
due to the long wavelength, it doesn't interact much with small surface features
that's about .002" roughness
anything less than a half wavelength and it's a shiny mirror
but all this was crude compared to your setup really
it was just raster scanning with etched brass templates
Were you at the last EMC Fest?
No, my setup is rather crude
I was sick and could not make it sadly
but Fred proctor, JMK, Paul Corner , and others make it down here a good bit
I've never asked, but what is it that everybody does, to travel as much as they do?
I try to be a test bed for new emc stuff...and I am moving over half a ton of iron with it at very high speeds
to travel? spend money I guess
I think Paul is going to get over here very soon
I have some industrial applications for emc that I am trying to sell
Myself, I need to make some money with my laser soon
Paul is very smart and could help a lot
hmmm cnc laser
awards and plaques are good
stuff with acrylic is good
short focal length and you can make images buried deep in acrylic
I don't know that I could etch brass directly, but I've read about painted brass and anodized aluminum
not on the surface
Ooo, I didn't know that one
bare brass and al are pretty reflective at 10.6
steel absorbs well
as do most all organics
The acrylic idea would be nice, but I'd have to change my lens...and I'm not going to tamper with my laser assembly just yet
As it is, I just rebuilt the coolant circulation system...
some have servoed the focal length to make 3-d sculpture and pictures in large acrylic blocks
creates internal fractures
but... I think that is mostly YAG
10.6 would not penetrate very far
Yeah, I thought acrylic absorbed it
but very nice effects...it cuts clean
nice for plaques and such
I'll have to play with that a bit
So much to do, so little time
yeah try polycarbonate too
I've got some acrylic sheet, but only a block of grey polycarbonate
well better go eat dinner...may I ask...what is your name?
I hope to meet you someday, Les Watts
much later...I'm going back out to the shop.
Come down to the smoky mountains some time... free bed and breakfast
enjoy dinner :)
woops was away at brekfast paul
have to switch gears from wooden turkey calls to digital tronics
and blow the dust off of the tronics gear
really need to get that stuff out of the shop
I need a new sillyscope too
I think pc based
* paul_c would like a new one too...
pc based with a laptop would be great
with a logic analyzer