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[04:29:10] <newbiex0001> hello~ gurus~
[04:29:29] <newbiex0001> thx for ur effors.
[04:29:44] <newbiex0001> I'm a newbie in linuxcnx world.
[04:30:04] <newbiex0001> And now trying build non-realtime platform
[04:30:33] <newbiex0001> my question is......
[04:31:28] <newbiex0001> is it a right "./configure --with-realtime=uspace"??
[04:32:19] <newbiex0001> in document, "uspace" generate it for real-time or non-realtime purpose..
[04:33:02] <newbiex0001> i just want to build it for only non real-time purpose for the time being.
[04:33:29] <newbiex0001> if someone have a idea,plz let me know.
[04:34:13] <newbiex0001> if it is a weired question, i'm sorry.
[04:34:41] <newbiex0001> It is because that I'm a newbie.
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[05:35:42] <cradek> yes, that's right. you can run uspace without a realtime kernel, and that is useful for simulation tasks.
[05:37:40] <newbiex0001> oh. Thx,cradek
[05:38:06] <newbiex0001> but i am still confusing
[05:38:59] <newbiex0001> is it right tgat "non-realtime linuxcnc is called 'simulator'?
[05:39:53] <cradek> yes, but for recent branches like 2.7 and master, you specify --with-realtime=uspace to build it
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[06:17:08] <newbiex0001> in recently linuxcnc version 2.7, even thoug i build it for simulation use, don't i have to command "./configure --enable-simulator" but "./configure --with-realtime=uspace"?
[06:17:38] <newbiex0001> i don't know well what it means the term "master",too
[06:18:00] <newbiex0001> i think that "master means a stable version"
[06:18:18] <newbiex0001> do i misunderstand?
[06:23:54] <archivist> master is development
[06:27:05] <newbiex0001> aha~ thx,archivist
[06:28:01] <newbiex0001> and is it right to command "./configure --with-realtime=uspace" for simulation use?
[06:28:59] <archivist> whatever the docs say
[06:30:05] <newbiex0001> whatever the docs say...?
[06:30:49] <newbiex0001> "--with-realtime=uspace" is correct??
[06:31:01] <newbiex0001> whatever the doc say?
[06:31:05] <archivist> you should be following some documentation
[06:31:38] <newbiex0001> i wanna follow the doc.
[06:31:52] <newbiex0001> but i don't know what is right..
[06:32:09] <newbiex0001> for simualtion purpose...
[06:33:01] <newbiex0001> in 2.7, there is no need to compile with "--enable-simulator" or not.
[06:34:07] <newbiex0001> if i download using "git", i think the version is latest.
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[07:23:06] <newbiex0001> i have read a few doc about linuxcnc 2.7
[07:24:01] <newbiex0001> if i understad correctly, the option "--enable-simulator" no longer exist...
[07:25:49] <newbiex0001> if i use 2.7 version for simulation, i have to omit the command "sudo make setuid"...
[07:26:23] <newbiex0001> for not debugging rt based component...
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[12:09:31] <newbiex0001> robh!
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[13:52:47] <cradek> newbiex0001: I thought I already answered your questions about that - your understanding is correct
[13:54:20] <newbiex0001> thx credek
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[14:06:44] <jepler> fwiw our documentation related to this question is
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/code/building-linuxcnc.html#src-configure-arguments
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[14:11:05] <skunkworks> zlog
[14:11:06] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2016-10-25.html
[14:14:22] <mozmck_lp> a forum user messaged me that he can't find where to change his signature. I looked and don't see a way to do that either. Anyone know where that is?
[14:16:09] <newbiex0001> jepler. Thx for ur kind link. I have read the link alreay.
[14:17:25] <newbiex0001> my problem is... i can not understand despite of reading already the article.
[14:17:43] <newbiex0001> i feel sorry about that. ^^;;;
[14:18:00] <seb_kuzminsky> newbiex0001: did you try typing the commands in the Quick Start section?
[14:18:38] <newbiex0001> no.. i'm preparing now.
[14:19:00] <newbiex0001> i feel afraid to ruin my ubuntu.
[14:19:35] <seb_kuzminsky> that's understandable, but don't worry: as long as you don't run any command as root, you pretty much can't hurt you ubuntu installation
[14:20:12] <seb_kuzminsky> everything that the Quick Start commands do happens inside your git clone directory, inside your user's home directory
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[14:20:23] <newbiex0001> in fact, i am not familiar with linux system. So i'm a little afraid.
[14:20:31] <newbiex0001> yes. U r right.
[14:20:40] <seb_kuzminsky> if you don't like what it doees you can just "rm" that git clone to be back where you were before you started
[14:20:59] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl, let us know how it goes!
[14:21:35] <newbiex0001> ok. I'll try. thx ur kind reply.
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[17:01:17] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15tseufl commented on issue #191: @SebKuzminsky ... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/191#issuecomment-256095946
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[17:36:10] <andypugh> mozmck: I don’t know what a signature is in the context of the forum?
[17:36:29] <andypugh> mozmck: Can you elaborate?
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[18:08:37] <andypugh> re: Tooltable. Just had a private message from someone with a 110 tool changer shared between two double spindle machines.
[18:13:08] <cradek> cool!
[18:13:54] <andypugh> I assume he isn’t actually using LinuxCNC, but it does indicate that some of the proposed features have application.
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[18:16:23] <cradek> seb and I were talking about how there's little point to having a separate iocontrol now. it's a very basic tool table handler, plus a few other things that could benefically be moved into motion (mist/flood/estop) and one thing that is useless (lube)
[18:16:57] <cradek> in emc1 it used to be a place where you could do meaningful customization (you'd replace it with your own that you wrote in C)
[18:20:05] <cradek> if the tool table handler is in a separate process, we'd surely want to nuke the rest of iocontrol
[18:20:34] <andypugh> Yes, I was intending to put together a pluggable toolhandler (and that is where users would customise if they need extra features)
[18:21:39] <andypugh> I am unlikely to do anything at all until 2.8 is frozen and I can break 2.9 with multispindle, spindle homing, and then the tool stuff.
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[18:22:59] <cradek> the canon interface to tool table/changer isn't too terrible
[18:23:59] <cradek> that sounds smart to me (but you could start a 2.9ish branch anytime, and rebase it later. I don't think there will be any more structural changes in master, so the rebase will remain easy)
[18:24:24] <andypugh> Also, I have other things to fill my time ;-)
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[18:50:33] <Tom_L> what was the tool limit prior?
[18:52:46] <andypugh> Current limit is 57 tools.
[18:53:07] <cradek> be aware you can pick any number and recompile
[18:53:13] <andypugh> But the problem is that it only holds limited data about each tool.
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[19:43:10] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: i must not understand that last statement
[19:43:33] <seb_kuzminsky> the tool table we have not stores all the information about a tool that linuxcnc knows how to use, right?
[19:43:55] <andypugh> Yes
[19:43:58] <seb_kuzminsky> making the tool table store more information is one thing, but wouldn't you have to also change linuxcnc to make use of the new information?
[19:44:08] <andypugh> Yes.
[19:45:43] <andypugh> This was part of the plan. A pluggable tool-handler (probably python, so users can modify) knows how to find a tool that suits the current T-number. And what the offsets are that need to be applied.
[19:46:02] <seb_kuzminsky> so this tool table work is satisfying a precondition for a later change that makes user-visible changes in linuxcnc?
[19:46:15] <andypugh> Yes.
[19:46:19] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, cool
[19:46:26] <seb_kuzminsky> that's the part i was confused about, thanks for clarifying
[19:46:27] <andypugh> Like supporting a tool table shared between machines
[19:46:50] <seb_kuzminsky> right, yeah
[19:46:59] <seb_kuzminsky> that sounds useful
[19:47:21] <andypugh> Or. possibly more usefully, knowing which tools are available to which spindle on a multi-spindle machine.
[19:47:55] <andypugh> Or picking the closets T6 in the carousel, if T6 just means “any 6mm end mill"
[19:48:12] <cradek> ooh
[19:48:15] <seb_kuzminsky> aah
[19:48:23] <cradek> the least-worn-out 6mm end mill
[19:48:55] <cradek> or the remaining not-quite-yet-broken-off 6mm end mill
[19:49:18] <andypugh> Yes, spindle-hours is part of the database structure, I think (or could be added, as it is a database, and adding fields doesn’t break it, unlike a text file)
[19:49:24] <seb_kuzminsky> the one that still has three of the four corners at the bottom of the flutes
[19:49:40] <andypugh> We’re not industrial users are we :-)
[19:50:47] <cradek> http://www.ganssle.com/misc/wom2.jpg
[19:50:52] <jepler> sounds like it's the kind of feature that you should make sure to do on contract, not for free
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[20:16:25] <jepler> hmm mouser does have some 25120s but not that one
[20:16:35] <jepler> I'll e-mail my best contact at aliexpress
[21:29:00] <kwallace_ofcb> 25120, LOL
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