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[00:53:59] <seb_kuzminsky> wow, asciidoc is not cooperating at all
[00:54:26] <seb_kuzminsky> or rather, we're trying to do things with asciidoc that it never promised to do, and we're paying for it in fragile buildsystem complexity
[00:55:32] <seb_kuzminsky> https://i.imgflip.com/b0xre.jpg
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[02:28:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 270fc7f 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/g-code.txt docs: fix g-code.html title finally * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=270fc7f
[02:28:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 391ba0c 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/Submakefile docs build system: remove obsolete makefile rules * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=391ba0c
[02:28:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 d6e1fe4 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/Submakefile docs build system: add missing dependency * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6e1fe4
[02:49:29] <jepler> I'll have to read this paragraph again in the morning and maybe it'll make sense
[02:49:32] <jepler> The POSIX_SPAWN_RESETIDS flag in the spawn-flags attribute of the
[02:49:35] <jepler> object referenced by attrp also governs the effective group ID of the
[02:49:38] <jepler> child process. If this flag is not set, the child process shall inherit
[02:49:41] <jepler> the parent process' effective group ID. If this flag is set, the child
[02:49:44] <jepler> process' effective group ID shall be reset to the parent's real group
[02:49:47] <jepler> ID. In either case, if the set-group-ID mode bit of the new process
[02:49:50] <jepler> image file is set, the effective group ID of the child process shall
[02:49:53] <jepler> become that file's group ID before the new process image begins execu‐
[02:49:56] <jepler> tion.
[02:49:59] <jepler> (we don't set POSIX_SPAWN_RESETIDS fwiw)
[02:51:01] <jepler> ah I bet the breakage is in dash
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/1215660
[02:52:35] <jepler> and I see they did it for all the best reasons :-P
[02:53:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 7cc2253 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/common/linux-faq-es.txt docs: remove byte-order-mark from linux-faq-es.txt * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cc2253
[02:54:17] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.7/asciidoc-fixes dd0755d 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/links.xslt docs build system: accept id tags in more elements * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd0755d
[02:54:17] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.7/asciidoc-fixes 2f0d47b 06linuxcnc 10(145 files in 15 dirs) docs: remove unused (((indexterm))) that break html * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f0d47b
[02:54:17] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/2.7/asciidoc-fixes cddff75 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/basic-hal.txt docs: work around a pile of asciidoc wrinkles * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=cddff75
[02:55:13] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: that reads like C translated into english
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[06:06:36] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15SebKuzminsky commented on issue #172: The glade image path changes look right to me. The current image paths are wrong for both rip and packaged, and this fixes them.... 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/172#issuecomment-252467101
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[09:50:46] <andypugh> Does anyone know if the EMBED_TAB_COMMAND switches are documented anywhere?
[09:52:51] <andypugh> Ah, found it
[09:52:56] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/gladevcp.1.html
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[11:45:18] <andypugh> Glade is. Err, “Quirky”
[11:46:05] <andypugh> Especialy the way that, if you are slighlty unlucky, when trying to delete a control in a table cell you can delete the whole table, And there is no “Undo”
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[13:28:41] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: git checkout is my undo ;-)
[13:29:35] <andypugh> You commit before every key press?
[13:30:13] <seb_kuzminsky> after
[13:30:43] <seb_kuzminsky> i want a jogwheel on the front of my computer that lets me run its clock cycles forwards and back
[13:31:23] <andypugh> Lke the Apple Time Machine? But with mS granularity rather than hourly?
[13:33:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 dd0755d 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/links.xslt docs build system: accept id tags in more elements * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd0755d
[13:33:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 2f0d47b 06linuxcnc 10(145 files in 15 dirs) docs: remove unused (((indexterm))) that break html * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f0d47b
[13:33:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 cddff75 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/basic-hal.txt docs: work around a pile of asciidoc wrinkles * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=cddff75
[13:33:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 05seb/2.7/asciidoc-fixes cddff75 06linuxcnc 04. branch deleted * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=cddff75
[13:38:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master d1919c5 06linuxcnc 10(37 files in 12 dirs) Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1919c5
[13:42:42] <seb_kuzminsky> like that, but for complete machine state, not just disk. so i can rewind memory and cpu registers etc
[13:42:51] <seb_kuzminsky> and un-transmit stuff from my network card
[13:43:15] <seb_kuzminsky> so i can undo embarrassing stuff like typing my password into irc
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[13:58:07] <andypugh> Gmail has an “undo” if you are quick enough.
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[14:38:00] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I assume you've had it with putting risky shit in 2.7 right
[14:39:42] <seb_kuzminsky> yes
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[14:45:14] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler opened pull request #173: Uspace uid handling fixes for portability (fixes hm2_eth + mint 18) (062.7...06uspace-uid-handling) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/173
[14:45:16] <jepler> then behold my risky shit PR
[14:45:46] <jepler> pcw_home: this lets hm2_eth load on mint 18 but I didn't test anything further than that.
[14:46:34] <jepler> it should also make trasz happy, it gets rid of nonportable setfsuid (which wasn't the problem, but in implementing the proper solution it also turned out to have no advantages)
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[14:58:41] <Roguish> good morning. is it possible to run an hm2 servo system (6 motors) in a HAL only mode (no full linuxcnc with gcode interpreter and all) ??
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[14:59:02] <andypugh> Yes
[14:59:18] <andypugh> You would just source the PID command numbers from somewhere else
[15:00:18] <Roguish> can that be done with a setp in hal?
[15:02:01] <andypugh> Yes
[15:02:15] <andypugh> But from a UI of some sort might be more elegant
[15:02:53] <andypugh> You probably want to use Limit3 as a basic motion planner or speed and accel will be unbounded.
[15:03:09] <Roguish> andypugh: thanks. i am considering a simple custom UI in glade, probably through gscreen.
[15:03:46] <andypugh> No need for Gscreen, you can use pure Glade. With sponboxes direct to HAL pins etc.
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[15:04:50] <Roguish> i am still working on my 6 axes press brake. strictly linear, uncoordinated moves. ultra simple.
[15:23:33] <seb_kuzminsky> that sounds cool
[15:31:53] <andypugh> This GladeVCP-wrangling would be much easier of pygtk.org hadn’t disappeared
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[15:46:00] <Tom_itx> andypugh, not the same?
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/binaries/win32/pygtk/2.24/
[15:46:04] <Tom_itx> http://zetcode.com/gui/pygtk/
[15:47:15] <andypugh> I want the reference docs, to see what gtk_widget_get_is_visoble is called in python (for example)
[15:48:23] <archivist> archive.org?
[15:49:13] <andypugh> I have been looking there, but it does not seem to have all pages, and is rather slow.
[15:51:18] <Tom_itx> http://mailman.daa.com.au/pipermail/pygtk/2002-August/003245.html
[15:51:19] <Tom_itx> ?
[15:52:04] <Tom_itx> maybe too old
[15:52:41] <andypugh> Just a tad. Links no longer work.
[15:53:00] <andypugh> Did they even have computers in 2002?
[15:53:06] <Tom_itx> hah
[15:53:20] <archivist> cheeky youngster
[15:54:22] <Tom_itx> https://developer.gnome.org/pygtk/
[15:54:39] <andypugh> Aha!
[15:54:50] <andypugh> Thanks
[15:54:57] <Tom_itx> np
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[15:57:22] <kirk_wallace> Does anyone know what is inside of these radios?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/302071515850 Might they be useful as a controller?
[15:57:56] <Tom_itx> https://developer.gnome.org/pygtk/stable/
[15:58:00] <Tom_itx> one step further back
[15:58:10] <Tom_itx> err maybe not..
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[16:28:30] <andypugh> Interesting. In “Touchy” you can selcet “full screen” from the litle square on the left of the window title bar. But I see no way to revert to not full screen
[16:31:48] <archivist> something odd on that ebay page, "install missing plugins"
[16:56:21] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15jepler opened pull request #174: Uspace uid handling master (06master...06uspace-uid-handling-master) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/174
[17:12:36] <cradek> andypugh: that would be a window manager keybinding I think. seems like I've seen f11 do it.
[17:14:03] <andypugh> F11 works for other things, but not for Touchy.
[17:15:28] <archivist> esc is sometimes used to go back in other os's
[17:15:44] <andypugh> (ie. F11 does not maximise or normalise Touchy. The title bar widget maximises, then disappears, so can’t be used to go back.
[17:16:18] <cradek> hmm...
[17:17:01] <cradek> the wm lets you go one way but then it's up to the application to undo it? that's bogus.
[17:33:50] <jepler> window handling is increasingly bogus under so-called user friendly desktop environments
[17:34:46] <jepler> yes apparently apps are expected to do (half of?) this themselves
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5234434/simple-way-to-toggle-fullscreen-with-f11-in-pygtk
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[17:35:17] <kirk_wallace> It looks like the only way to get an answer is to just buy one and take it apart. It should be here in a couple of weeks.
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[18:06:40] <andypugh> I also now have a UI in Glade that is too big to fit into Toucjy.
[18:07:08] <andypugh> And Glade won’t let me make it smaller, and I have no idea why
[18:07:38] <andypugh> It was quite small, then it sudenly enlarged itself.
[18:24:40] -linuxcnc-github:#linuxcnc-devel- [13linuxcnc] 15tseufl opened pull request #175: Update README (configs/sim/axis/) (062.7...062.7) 02
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/175
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[20:27:35] <andypugh> I don’r know what I did, but it’s now little in Touchy and huge in Glade. So from now on I am going to be editing the XML directly I think :-)
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[21:14:31] <andypugh> I wonder if LinuxCNC actually is wrong here?
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/20-g-code/31657-g10-l2#81232
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[22:40:31] <witnit> situation: I have a pc and controls running a 6 axis robotic arm and a lathe with its own pc and controls. Is it possible to get both RT kernels working together to create "multiheaded" machines with modular joint additions?
[22:41:43] <witnit> like a HAL to HAL protocol?
[22:42:38] <andypugh> You can synch via GPIO pins, probably
[22:43:21] <andypugh> NML is _meant_ to let you communicate between computers, but I don’t think it does.
[22:45:07] <witnit> synch yes, but can I actually turn and independent 4 axis robot into a 6 axis so you are actually creating a new layer of kinematics based on which attachment is being added
[22:45:56] <witnit> though each attachment has its own pc
[22:45:56] <andypugh> Not as you describe it, as the jins is done in the trajectory planner ahead of time (I think)
[22:47:15] <witnit> I was looking for a way to do a "segmented worm" kind of build where each set of joints have their own pc and controls and can be simply compounded to on one another
[22:47:17] <pcw_home> always thought there were some djins in LinuxCNC
[22:47:53] <witnit> dynamickins of some kinds
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